Lets Visit Ancient Sparta - History Tour in AC: Odyssey Discovery Mode

[@InvictaHistory]

You can check out the rest of our Let's Visit series here: kzbin.info/aero/PLkOo_Hy3liELnL_0p7__5gj6EzsNFLhgJ

[@Armorius2199]

Hey man when is Part 4 of what Caesar Lived coming out???

[@GottHammer]

Great video. Kinda wish it were longer. And more Dr. Konijnendijk, too, please! :D

[@Psychol-Snooper]

Just last night I was looking at that Spartan acropolis and thinking how singularly spectacular it was. I decided to look it up (image search) and found almost nothing. Then I searched "Sparta reproduction" expecting some 3D rendered model as one would expect and found nothing (besides AC Odyssey.) And I log in to KZbin not 24 hours later and discover all the questions I'd had answered in this video! I adore AC Odyssey, but Sparta points out a failing of the game for me; they could have accurately portrayed Sparta and used it's "spartan" design to tell it's greater story. It could have been designed with primitive structures and a couple in game lines could have drawn the picture of how seemingly diametrically opposed the life styles of Athens and Sparta were. Thank you so much for this series!

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

THIS IS SPARTA

[@brokenbridge6316]

This video was quite nice. But why don't you consider doing this sort of thing with Assassin's Creed: Origins. It has a Discovery Tour Mode too. And when Assassin's Creed Valhalla comes out you can do this too. Because this video concept is quite good.

[@AngryCenturion576]

Considering how little archeological evidence the developers had to go on, it’s actually pretty impressive how much thought they put into this. Well done!

[@Dian_Borisov_SW]

Yeah, they had to put something interesting in there to make Sparta pop up.

[@bluemalou7]

Watch DLC AC Odyssey Alexios PS4 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2XIgZ6VZqx0rtU

[@EinarLagera19-92]

Yeah! That’s what impressed me on the new AC games. They only have a very little evidence on such places and yet they recreated the ancient world beautifully and somehow accurate based on writings. Hope Ubisoft won’t let go of this direction.

[@_ata_3]

It's because they are doing video games not history so they don't need actual evidence. They can loosely base the settings they create on a few facts and more imagination. Not to look down on their work which is pretty cool but its like that, they are not historians nor are they trying to do history.

[@josephsherman5288]

This was excellent and very interesting. It definitely brought the history of Ancient Sparta to a far more relatable, understandable and human level, rather than a history marred in myth and propaganda. Thank you both.

[@anmoldaglaik]

Yes

[@Frank-it9kl]

For the love of the gods, please make more of these. The AC world is so damn big, you could make 10 more videos just with odyssey. This was absolutely amazing, like walking through the streets.

[@cinnamon3578]

Ubisoft, If you're listening, Constantinople in the 500s please.

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

OH GOD! YES!!!!

[@Calgacus7]

They did a Constantinople in 1500s :)

[@temistogen]

@@Calgacus7 and that was a shame.They were portraying byzantines as some terrorist bad faction,and occupying turks as great guys.

[@cinnamon3578]

@@Calgacus7 My guy I want to see Constantinople at the height of it's influence, Not when it's already fallen.

[@culiusjaesar]

peak Constantinople is 1000s tho

[@nvmtt]

thucydides : If someone were to look at sparta, they would consider athens twice as mighty. Hollywood: Imma about to end this man's whole career.

[@jordankamelleri5137]

I enjoy how you said "excuse me" when you bumped into the helot NPC

[@MikeActualLi]

This is an excellent series. Spent so so much time just wandering Odyssey’s locations, lovely to do it again like this.

[@vincent8494]

I loved this episode! I would love to see an episode on Korinthos, especially because Roel mentioned it being a synoikism which I never knew it was. Honestly any video like this on the important poleis like Argos, Thebes, Corinth, Chalkis or Delos would be very entertaining. Keep up the good work, I'm loving the growth of this channel.

[@therealpat5168]

Synoecism is just the concentration of villages into a city state. This wasn't necessarily a relocation of people, it could be, but it could also just be a centralization of government and dissolution of independent village governments. Thucydides attributes Athens' synoecism to Theseus and contrasted his founding of Athens, where the formerly independent villages remained in their villages, with their actual relocation to Athens in anticipation of Sparta's invasion of Attica.

[@mikezheng33]

I knew I recognized his voice. The historian did a video with insider about ancient warfare where he keeps saying "just dig a ditch"

[@malemkhumanthem9737]

Oh shit yeah thought I recognized him👋

[@KP-hm1dn]

lol as soon as I heard him I made the same connection. That was a good video, too. You could see how frustrated he was getting at things being so baseless on screen.

[@mawile3037]

trench warfare works lol

[@HellenicWolf]

As a Hellin myself, it's great to see you do these explorations from the game. Nemea and Corinth are also two prominent areas. The former was very important for training before the Olympics (and for the Nemean Games) and the later was probably the most underappreciated city of ancient Greece, for it had an amazing army, and control over the passing of Corinth.

[@nahruz.w3044]

Haha I forgot about this! Just yesterday, I search the youtube for an AC Odyssey History Tour because I remember it, kept searching for hours. Forgot that Invicta was the channel which uploaded the series. Keep up the good work.

[@Anglomachian]

It's gratifying to hear someone else think that the training done with dummies wasn't done to practice against pretend opponents, but to essentially to get the muscles that'll be used in battle regularly used and flexed.

[@ace8099]

Same reason you hit a heavy bag in boxing training, not replicating a real fight but it will help you work on your technique and conditioning.

[@marsultor6131]

I would love something like this in Assassins Creed Origins, maybe covering Alexandria or Memphis?

[@Viriyascybin]

we wuz

[@TheBlacGhost2093]

This mode is in Assassins Creed Origins.

[@krab9479]

I think he’s already done that

[@wolfattacker1]

@@Viriyascybin kangs and shit

[@daynahwhyte1688]

There is an exploration mode in AC origins 😂 its literally one of the options in the main menu, and I love the exploration mode, the way they describe Alexandria and Memphis are really interesting, and they describe the mummification process there as well.

[@casparvoncampenhausen5249]

Please restart the "Evolution of the Roman army" series. I loved it soo much

[@emilbecker8970]

they should do a game about the mesoamerican civilisations like the aztecs or the olmecs imagine walking around Tenochtitlan in a game

[@MariaOlgaT]

Great! I've binge-watched previous episodes from this ''series'' and was a tiny bit dissapointed there's only few of them. Thanks for the next one! Sparta was absolutely fascinating!

[@hircine9919]

Ancient Greece is so fun to learn about! I love history.

[@TartarusPyro]

if you where non hellenic you could not go up to see the parthenon and if you did penalty was death also laws about gays in ancient hellas He is not allowed to become a member of the 9 lords. He is not allowed to be elected a priest. He is not allowed to be an ombudsman. He is not allowed to exercise any power, inside or outside the country, by lottery or ordination. He is not allowed to be sent as a preacher of war. He is not allowed to state his opinion. He is not allowed to enter public temples. He is not allowed to be crowned in public coronations. He is not allowed to take part in the walks that take place in the market. So anyone (citizen) who has been convicted as a sexual partner, but acts contrary to the provisions of the law, to be punished with death.

[@serafeimlightbringer9677]

@@TartarusPyro Source? That doesnt make any sense.

[@TartarusPyro]

@@serafeimlightbringer9677 you can also visit alot of museums and ask about kinadoi or kinaidos

[@slenderkid28]

My ancestors are from Sparta and the surrounding village of Paleopanagia, this video makes me want to hop on back to AC Odyssey to see if the village is there or to just explore Sparta myself

[@Calgacus7]

when you mentiond that the Spartans didn't really have a name for their homeland, that confused me; because I had always thought they called it Lacedaemonia. And I always thought that that name is what the Lambda on Spartan hoplons stood for.

[@TartarusPyro]

thats correct he is "historian" haha its called λακωνια Λ

[@charadradam9985]

lacedaemonia was the whole city... later, during middle ages, lacedaemonia was the name of the city of sparta and not the whole region.. during antiquity, sparta included 5-6 (i am not sure, i dont remember well,) ''komes'' and all together was the lacedaemonia, as a total city.

[@linhhoang3636]

Thucydides in his book refered to the Spartans as Lacedaemons. He lived in those times himself so it must have some credibility

[@r.anthony8685]

The name of the city in antiquity was Lacedaemon (genitive: Lacedaemonos). Laconia was the wider region.

[@nath9091]

Btw Dr R.K. is Iphikrates on Reddit Askhistorians

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I love Invicita’s genuine surprise at 26:57

[@LookHereMars]

Great video keep up the good work my friend. History is sacred.

[@DrRoelKonijnendijk]

"Yeah, so..."

[@thedoruk6324]

A'ight! Where are the *all* helot servile (class) at? :]

[@raddziedzic8671]

Tricked into bringing 5,ooo of their best to be "freed"

[@thedoruk6324]

@@raddziedzic8671 freed indeed ...from 🅱reathing(!)

[@raddziedzic8671]

@@thedoruk6324 rip kirby taylor

[@AlexanderDiArmani]

26:33 you actually apologized to an AI for accidentally pushing him. You must be Canadian, eh?

[@fighterck6241]

I do the same thing almost without thinking.

[@Hell_O7]

Tbf, that's a pretty hard push.

[@Armorius2199]

When is What if Caesar LIved Part 4 coming out????

[@Armorius2199]

But for real though when it is coming?

[@casparvoncampenhausen5249]

Guys, I fear we might have to assume that "What if Caesar lived?" might have gone the way of "Evolution of the Roman legions"

[@Armorius2199]

@@casparvoncampenhausen5249 Maybe you are right, it was an interesting though experiment so he might want to leave it open ended.

[@jessiebedlam6094]

I do believe that the Spartans did train together as units. The reasoning on this is due to historians remarking about their phalanx techniques versus other city states. I am also looking at this as a soldier myself. We would wake up, do physical exercise then conduct drills from sun up until sundown. These were called battle drills. It required many people to conduct and was the basis of movement in combat. Cover and maneuver stuff today, but in those days it would be marching, counter marching, defending attacks from left, right, and rear. These techniques have to be taught as units as a whole and drilled as such. To do this on an individual level wouldn't not amount to the success the Spartans had on the field during their glory years. Again another amazing video though and very educational for anyone interested in the culture of the Spartans.

[@Hell_O7]

Unit drills do seem to be a thing for Spartan and Spartan-led troops, but weapons training is a different thing entirely

[@hobbystuff5540]

This should be a series! Btw I love the videos!

[@h3684]

You cannot beat the assassins creed franchise. Not only are they awesome games. But it also take you back in time. And gives you an experience on how certain eras would have been …. Very unique franchise. Love them.

[@clonetf141]

Once this channel was a gaming channel. Its now turned more into a history vhannel and i love it

[@SANCHIT18OCT]

I was eagerly waiting for another one of these videos Keep up the good work🙂

[@Nhexturtle]

I'm playing this, and it actually felt like Sparta was underwhelming when compared with Athens. Whatever flaws Ubisoft games have, they nailed that.

[@__mindflayer__]

Well, Sparta was never really said to be a major city. It was a city that cared about breeding warriors. Not architecture.

[@ChrisJohnson-pq2tu]

Love that the devs added this! First saw the feature in AC Origins and really enjoyed it in both games

[@LukeNasti]

I absolutely love this!

[@raymartflores9537]

*INVICTA does a video on AC: Odyssey* Markos: Everybody is happy!

[@thekingsamar5781]

Love your videos,specially the effort and you interest.great job,keep it up

[@arshad_nazran]

I've been waiting for this! Thank you so much @Invicta !

[@EstbXCIII]

For those who are unaware the AC series takes you back in history to different places In the world like Egypt, Greece, England, France and more. The developers create extremely detailed and accurate cities. These games are SO detailed that when Notre Dame cathedral was destroyed by a fire that when rebuilding it they realized on the cathedral that was in the game.

[@carlramirez6339]

I am a huge fan of your work and that of Roel Konijndijk a.k.a. u/Iphikrates.

[@crazytazzify]

Sparta was not just abandoned! , there are no buldings there because it got destroyed by Michel Fourmont, a French Catholic priest, envoy of King Louis XVI . "I erased it, I dug it up, I demolished it, I did not leave it stone by stone," he wrote in a congratulatory letter. His description was completely realistic. Formon and dozens of workers worked feverishly for a month and left nothing standing .... -Sources: BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SPARTANS by Vlassis G. Rassias (Greek Book). Multiple Antiquities - Multiple Modernities: Ancient Histories in Nineteenth Century European Cultures »by Gábor Klaniczay, Otto Gécser and Michael Werner.

[@SD-ft5xj]

This is super sad

[@natiw2000]

Why?

[@mdstanton1813]

I didnt know this! Thanks for the detailed comment

[@generalgrievous2055]

634 likes? I’m either early or people don’t appreciate this guy as much as they should

[@hoplite723]

Agreed especially the amount of detail and work he puts in to making his videos

[@cloveriew5517]

cool video keep it up!!!

[@eternal101e]

Good video!👍 should do a visit to Olympia in Elis. The statue of Zeus

[@explorationgmer1336]

I love this game so much :)

[@iExamineLife]

love your lets visit with assassins creed, I realy hope you do all of them and also with more details discuessions!! :) perhaps maybe one day do also with Egypt assassins creed origin! thanks

[@raguaviva]

Impressive, more of this please!!!!

[@andrewshuler7716]

My man puts his assassins creed odyssey video up RIGHT WHEN I GET TO SPARTA

[@whitewolf-hn2sk]

fascinating video invicta keep up the amazing work?

[@WildcardASMR]

Thucydides was right on. It’s phenomenal that we know Sparta for what it was today, and don’t perceive it as a fishmonger’s community or agricultural confederacy or settlement of some sorts… It’s only with minimal written evidence, a plethora of archaeological findings, and a shit ton of historical intuition that we understand the polis today. And that’s something amazing.

[@noobmaster-vn2se]

24:31 This looks so beatiful

[@AbsolXGuardian]

I feel like the inaccuracies in the depiction of Sparta actually proves Thucyicides' point. If they were more accurate, Sparta wouldn't inspire majesty in the player. It would just look like a bunch of villages smushed together with a temple.

[@abdolpix4581]

Indeed

[@elijahwatson3474]

Actually a developer did say they made Sparta more majestic for the players

[@klemenleonard6332]

You are a fucking legend ! I am huge AC fan and also like your channel very much ! And this merging is perfect !

[@josefn9078]

is it known what were the moves of their dances? or to what kind of music would they dance to?

[@mdstanton1813]

Herodotus says they were Britney Spears fans but many playlists have been lost

[@nicktills2786]

They would typically dance to darude sandstorm

[@poseidon3292]

A Ubisoft Travel in Ancient Rome would really make me to install both Odyssey and Ancient Rome theme only just to visit those magnificent civilizations in what might they look in these ancient ages.

[@Joshua-le1vn]

This was awesome, do a part 2 and 3 😁

[@dnash2131]

I haven't played AC since the templar ones but this has really peaked my interest just to explore

[@alldaygamergirl]

thank you i needed this omg

[@chase509]

What a great video keep up the uploads!

[@Bogey1022]

I was dubious at first but you guys made a great, great, informative video here. Kudos

[@PDravers]

This was fascinating and also helpful in giving a geographical perspective to Sparta. I’m afraid I felt a little travel sick after a while though because of the sometimes rapid and jerky movements of the “camera man”

[@kebman]

Would there really be carpets on the stairs? What if it rains? And how often would they need to be changed?

[@bettermanchannel770]

Yeah buddy🔥

[@DGVFX]

Love those type of videos.

[@koragg4193]

Wow, didn't know Invicta worked with the ditch guy. He's a legend.

[@garrettbreedlove7970]

Loved the video, please do more of this!

[@BlackHermit]

Wow, a very impressive work. Well done!

[@gunnergibson4317]

I’m redownloading this game right when I get home

[@strategos5889]

really interesting perhaps u guys could make a lets visit video about Argos, Corinth and Thebes

[@totallyanonymousbish9599]

Did Spartan Hoplites, Hippeis, Commanders/Generals and Kings wear different armor during battle? Or like in general?

[@elihg8379]

That would be cool if you would make more videos like these with different Assassins creed games

[@coolchannel44]

I love this!!

[@jimbofergus]

Is there any evidence of Spartans training in perfect synchronization as displayed at 16:00?

[@karabomafa5609]

😂

[@ryeiverr]

Very interesting. Would love to see more.

[@PanosKan0047]

Cool 😎

[@NomeDeArte]

Love this videos!

[@gold333]

Why didn’t you go over the actual text and audio Ubisoft put into the Discovery mode Sparta tours?

[@1101millie97]

I'd like to have a tour of Messenia, in particular the ancient site of Pylos. There is more to them other than merely being the conquered helots of their Spartan invaders.

[@orishpata1962]

Could you please do a series on the Illyrian revolt?

[@VarangianGuard13]

So, let me get this straight.. The Spartans would punish cowards by picking them last for sports? That's an interesting and unexpected thing to discover. In such a community oriented society it seems reasonable to assume that breaching the expectations of your people would be met with social consequences.. You wouldn't want to associate with someone like that in public, so ostracizing them like that seems practical to me.

[@alexdemoya2119]

"Lets Visit Ancient Sparta"? Please let this be a normal field trip...

[@bluemalou7]

Watch DLC AC Odyssey Alexios PS4 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2XIgZ6VZqx0rtU

[@ZxZ239]

I love all the series, once its done, can you do the same for Origin tour?

[@thierryf67]

the area of Sparta you are showing in the game seems to me with much more ills that the nowadays city, wich lays in a large valley, where it is said that was the antic city. The ills around where the site of the medieval city, Mystra, when the antic sparta has been abandonned. Can you comment ?

[@lorenzodemedici6332]

I hope in the next few games they do Rome in the 1st century BCE during the second Triumvirate/Civil war where you could choose to fight for Lepidus, Marc Antony, or Augustus. Or maybe in the first century CE during the reign of Augustus, where you could take part in the Germanic wars on the side of Arminius or try to stop the slaughter at Teutoburg and change the history of Germania. Constantinople during the sixth century CE in the reign of Justinian would also be really cool. You could help him reclaim Italy from the Visigoths, or Hispania from the Vandals, or you could fight agains the armies of Justinian and to prevent Roman expansion. Those two eras would probably make incredible games, and have some of the best most beautiful scenery of any Assassins Creed game.

[@thecarvershowentertainment5137]

Will there be more about sparta ?

[@Pepperpotk]

I love this!

[@_ata_3]

I don't know if I would call the Spartans a leisure class if they were in the job of preparing and doing combat to protect their possessions. Even games with all the folclore they had around are basically combat activities for people dedicated to defend and expand their territory. Spartans and Hoplites were before all the leisure activities they might have done a warrior class. I understand that Spartans are often caricatured but how do you think a ruling class that fights their own wars on a territory like Greece full of independent city states look like?

[@qa2040]

Please do the next one about Boetia and Thebes!

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Cool free vocation

[@blueteamepsilon7798]

I've heard that the spartan/cretan version of aphrodity was the greek translation of the Babylonian/Persian goddess Ishtar

[@Yannis1a]

My biggest problem with the map in AC: Odyssey is that they called Makedomia to the Chalkidiki , when at that moment the kingdom of Macedon was to the west of that region with the capital in Aigai (modern Vergina), sad we couldn't visit that area

[@Yannis1a]

@RavnDream the problem is that they called it that because that's part of the mordern region of macedonia, as Amphipolis (a city that appears in the game) is part the greek province of central macedonia, but at that time that region was called the Chalkidiki, so thats like calling the roman province of Britany England, when it became England when the Anglo-Saxon invaded or call precolonial America America when Americo Vespuci hadn't traveled it to America yet, they use an Achronological terminology I don't know why they didn't just called it the Chalkidiki and Just reference the Macedonian kingdom as they didn't do much in the Peloponnesian war

[@truenorthaffirmations7049]

Very cool

[@mournziiLife303]

Great video

[@mafbloggerdanny]

Very interesting to hear the fact about no real evidence of large fraternal dining halls. It seems to me that I have always heard about these places being emphasized by historians and so I built up the expectation that there would in fact be at least a few large structures dedicated to being used as barracks for large numbers of men, like at least 30 or so IIRC. I am shocked to hear that there are no descriptions of such places in the archaeology or writings. So do modern archaeologists simply surmise that they must have existed just as a practicality or are we just putting too much emphasis on these barracks/dining clubs because of their cultural peculiarity when compared to other greek poleis?

[@stuartbh8165]

Interesting that Spartan women were more liberated and seen as having greater influence over their husbands given a Spartan man spent most of his time with his mess and competing with his comrades, and for the first part of their marriage Spartans weren't even permitted to live with their wives, being required to also sleep with their mess hall. Perhaps its actually this separation from their men that was the source of Spartan women's influence, as they were not so overshadowed or dominated by their husbands and had more time for private enterprise

[@jayc342009]

I think largely women were needed to keep the economy going since a most of the men were not there to do it. As for the whole "men weren't there to keep women down" - the impact feminism has had on our perception of history is quite shocking.

[@danaerodriguez9673]

This is really old, but Spartan men saw their families most of the time. That they "were always away either on conflicts or separated in barracks" or anything like that is false. They didn't live with their wives until 30s, but they did see each other regularly.

[@stuartbh8165]

@@danaerodriguez9673 true but I don't think that is incompatible with my point. The wives had to spend time with their husbands to influence them. I was arguing that the comparably high amounts of separation they did have allowed them to be more self sufficient and independent within their community, putting them on a slightly more level playing field when talking to their husbands

[@astronotics531]

They were basically proto-communist.

[@DianeCooperTW]

Do we have to pay extra for this Discovery mode ?

[@teseofabbri1812]

Nope

[@am4kar]

How about Alexandria?

[@KohanKilletz]

Explore Thebes and Corinth

[@matthewosvaldo4205]

Do the spartiates survived the roman era or not? When was they truly extinct?

[@charadradam9985]

after alexanders diadochi and uring the roman era. they were not the spartans as we know them during the classical period. like all the greek city-states of the classical period, the change of the political and social organization destroyed the pattern of the city-citizen and turned him gradually into substent. especially the spartans, as a strict society, they lost their education and way of life according to the Likurgos laws. it was a whole change of the social, political and educational situation, not only sparta's problem.

[@orrointhewise87]

Legit just finished playing this 🤣

[@muhammaddanial1307]

Which ending are you choose??

[@orrointhewise87]

@@muhammaddanial1307 its 2020, I choose the happy ending where they all live and become Assassin family lol