Ancient Greek State Politics and Diplomacy

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Kings and Generals

Kings and Generals

3 жыл бұрын

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Kings and Generals historical animated documentary series on the ancient civilizations continues with a video on the Ancient Greek state forms. The mainstream idea of the Ancient Greek state is a city-state - a polis, but that was hardly the only form of polity the Greeks lived under. This video will cover the various Leagues and Federations and how they were formed and how the great states like Athens, Sparta, Macedon and Thebes interacted within them forming their hegemonies.
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@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 3 жыл бұрын
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@user-kt1lh5sz1i
@user-kt1lh5sz1i 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this K&G. I've been asking for this vid for a while.
@dietoxickidthe2nd889
@dietoxickidthe2nd889 3 жыл бұрын
love your content bro
@Jackal263
@Jackal263 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely work but yet again.... Dont mislead your viewers. Greece mainly colonised Asia Minor. And I say this cause lately the Turkish propaganda claim otherwise.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to take one of the Warhammer 40k tanks out for a spin.
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he 3 жыл бұрын
Best channel ever love the graphics and everything keep making these videos your the best. Just interested, what type of editors do you guys use.
@johanm571
@johanm571 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I am the writer and researcher for the video, I hope you enjoy it! The sources used for the video are: Greek federal states by J. A. O Larsen and Federalism in Greek Antiquity by Beck and Funke
@hexapodc.1973
@hexapodc.1973 3 жыл бұрын
thank you mate!
@thomashartman7649
@thomashartman7649 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all that you do!
@mitsoulas76
@mitsoulas76 3 жыл бұрын
Trully amazing work, one notice though, the word "koina" is pronounced as "kiná" and it actually means "commons" in ancient and modern greek.
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he 3 жыл бұрын
Wow you guys so much work for us thanks for that.
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he 3 жыл бұрын
@Johan M What type of editor did you guys use?
@Azr4el
@Azr4el 3 жыл бұрын
See the title: Ancient Greek Leagues See the animated thumbnail: Tanks flying everywhere ...OK
@swaldron5558
@swaldron5558 3 жыл бұрын
Spoiled.
@xusteve4820
@xusteve4820 3 жыл бұрын
It seems that one state becoming a dominant power after leading a struggle against another great power is a common scene in history.
@dojokonojo
@dojokonojo 3 жыл бұрын
Nature abhors a (power) vacuum
@paulmartin591
@paulmartin591 3 жыл бұрын
And of course repeating the cycle of self-justified conquest and colonization.
@LorolinAstori
@LorolinAstori 3 жыл бұрын
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it
@RodolfoGaming
@RodolfoGaming 3 жыл бұрын
@@dojokonojo second this
@RodolfoGaming
@RodolfoGaming 3 жыл бұрын
@@LorolinAstori yet those who know are doomed not to be able to do anything about it
@arandurion
@arandurion 3 жыл бұрын
Me: Kings and Generals, how many series do you want to start? Kings and Generals: Yes
@Bonservisjohnny
@Bonservisjohnny 3 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda frustrating tbh they’re good videos no doubt but it’s just too much yknow
@weirdofromhalo
@weirdofromhalo 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't a new series.
@arandurion
@arandurion 3 жыл бұрын
@@weirdofromhalo I suppose not, but my statement still applies.
@nomadlong85
@nomadlong85 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i wish they would smash out a series before starting a new one, but they are clever as they know we will all hang around and keep an eye out for the next 'episode' in whatever part of history were following.
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a reference to the "Panhellenic idea". Many ancients Greeks write and support the unification of all Greeks. It was supported by Gorgias, Issocrates, Aristotle, Jason of Pherae, Dionysius I of Syracuse and Phillip II. While other were against it, such as Demosthenes
@USERCRETE
@USERCRETE 3 жыл бұрын
correct
@Gentleman...Driver
@Gentleman...Driver 3 жыл бұрын
Demosthenes feared a loss of power. He also wrote some propaganda, calling the Macedons "Barbarians".
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gentleman...Driver Demosthenes with 4 speeches managed to convicted Athenians to start war with Macedonia. He fought himself in the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC).
@cht4263
@cht4263 3 жыл бұрын
It actually happened with Philip's and Alexander's Hellenic league
@christossaroglou7158
@christossaroglou7158 3 жыл бұрын
@MEDAURIN god of war Romans named the greeks "greeks" you know, and that's why it stayed that way for the rest of the western world, only greeks and 3-4 eastern (east of greece) nations use the name "Hellenes" and "Hellas" each with a linguistic variation ofc to this day. And the funny thing is most of the eastern world calls greeks "Yunan" (or again with variations) which would translate to "Ionians" and tbh it sounds more legit, where as the term "Greece" and "Greeks" is found nowhere in ancient "Greece". I say funny thing because the western world is supposed to be built as a continuity to the civilization of ancient Greece.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea 3 жыл бұрын
In the ancient Greek world, a polis could be referred to any city, town or village. It included a settlement and the surrounding land it controlled. The city states either remained independent, grouped together into leagues by mutual interests or were forced to join them through coercion or intimidation. After the decline of central control and collapse of the Mycenaean Empire in the 12th century BCE, the Greek world entered a chaotic period of nomadic migrations, invasions and fragmentation, as a result the ancient Greeks were very divided and subdivided. But they created for themselves a world like no other, a world where each city state had its own unique (and often fantastic) culture.
@adarshmohapatra5058
@adarshmohapatra5058 3 жыл бұрын
Greece has such a diverse, flourishing and ancient history! Respect to Greece from India.
@user-oe3il6wi8g
@user-oe3il6wi8g 3 жыл бұрын
there's a lot of uncertainty about the period followed the collapse of Mycenaean civilization. Actually we know almost NOTHING. The most amazing mysterio is the fact that after a blank period all of a sudden appeared an new alphabet , an unbelievable perfect language , and so much wisdom.. I believe we miss a tremendous important part of the puzzle .
@adarshmohapatra5058
@adarshmohapatra5058 3 жыл бұрын
@Chaudhry Vikrant ror ik brother, we were very strong as well. I was just giving credit to Greece as they influenced western civilization and Europe, just like we influenced eastern civilization and South/South-East Asia
@MyKillyy
@MyKillyy 3 жыл бұрын
@Chaudhry Vikrant ror are there actually clear evidences for Alexander being defeated in India? I have recently read a lot about his conquest and there are only exclusively Indian people one the internet who are claiming that.
@croesuslydias6488
@croesuslydias6488 3 жыл бұрын
Polis - singular Poleis - plural
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 3 жыл бұрын
enough of this pedantry or I'll .... call the police!
@panosbravakis860
@panosbravakis860 3 жыл бұрын
Poli-singular
@youreskimofriend2327
@youreskimofriend2327 3 жыл бұрын
@@panosbravakis860 nnnnnope. Croesus is right.
@3SLBK
@3SLBK 3 жыл бұрын
@@panosbravakis860 it's the ancient greek, not modern
@AleksandarVelikiMirijevski
@AleksandarVelikiMirijevski 3 жыл бұрын
@@3SLBK And in modern to... because modern and ancient greek are very similar
@narxes
@narxes 3 жыл бұрын
I'm worldbuilding a low fantasy universe largely inspired by ancient Europe. especially Greece, so this is super useful!
@giannisg3387
@giannisg3387 3 жыл бұрын
@Somali Kid Well, people had a thing for knights in shining armor for a very long time, so that's one reason. Only now, in recent years has fantasy started to get more innovative and diverse.
@skyfragmented3933
@skyfragmented3933 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. This is why this channel is great. You know that in order to understand the history you also need to understand the underlying political systems. Kudos to you
@realtangerine4910
@realtangerine4910 3 жыл бұрын
how can people dislike this? its not even controversial, its just a documentary
@Sunrah
@Sunrah 3 жыл бұрын
mostly because they don't list their sources so fact checking is quite hard
@JCRS2
@JCRS2 3 жыл бұрын
Whilst sources would be good, ancient sources are not 100% anyway. Like the accounts of the battle of Thermopylae state more than 10x the actual number of soldiers I believe. But there’s no other proof than herodotus. Ancient historians just conclude the largest army Xerxes could possibly assemble.
@croesuslydias6488
@croesuslydias6488 3 жыл бұрын
Ares I think we are more interested in the scholarly sources for the video, not the primary or secondary sources. I wouldn’t really trust anything anyone said just by citing ancient sources because people spend years in school learning how to actually interpret and understand sources and those interpretations are generally peer reviewed. Usually the lead researcher will post a comment stating the scholarly sources used for the video.
@stehfreejesseah7893
@stehfreejesseah7893 3 жыл бұрын
it was a little boring compared to other videos they have done.
@selucusptolemy3149
@selucusptolemy3149 3 жыл бұрын
Because this video offended me xD
@thanoss7441
@thanoss7441 3 жыл бұрын
Hellene from Thessaly here. Love your videos.
@trashaccount8859
@trashaccount8859 3 жыл бұрын
Lariseos?
@thanoss7441
@thanoss7441 3 жыл бұрын
@@trashaccount8859 yeah
@22vx
@22vx 3 жыл бұрын
I could spend ages poring over the multitudes of modern derivations of Greek concepts, constructs and institutions. Koinon/Community; Polis/City; Ethnos/Nation - I love how our past illuminates our present.
@user-kt1lh5sz1i
@user-kt1lh5sz1i 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man. We did it by asking in the comments section.
@shikra6668
@shikra6668 3 жыл бұрын
Sir please reply me. Who is use battles graphic ?? Who is software use???
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I'm not making any money off it, so why should I care? : )
@Tiberon098
@Tiberon098 3 жыл бұрын
Its cool to hear The Epitaph of Seikilos being played near the end.
@Gojoseon
@Gojoseon 3 жыл бұрын
It’s from the Civilization VI music for Greece (also based on the Epitaph of Seikilos), I think, though their music otherwise seems to be from Epidemic Sound.
@babs2800
@babs2800 3 жыл бұрын
Kings and Generals, lately you're spoiling us Greeks. Keep it up!
@babs2800
@babs2800 3 жыл бұрын
@Gonzalo Araujo By "spoiling us", I mean, the channel excessively gratifies our wish to hear about historic events that happened in our land. And by "us" i mean - of course - the modern Greeks. Are we allowed to like learning about the ancient Greeks' history, your majesty?
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 3 жыл бұрын
you Greeks have been spoiled enough. You need to be put in your place. The Consuls are on the way. Tremble, o Athenian!
@adarshmohapatra5058
@adarshmohapatra5058 3 жыл бұрын
Good video! It gives an insight into Greek culture. Love from India! Also Greece has such a rich and ancient history. Certainly something to be proud of.
@shraddhariut5393
@shraddhariut5393 3 жыл бұрын
Tu odia Ki re
@adarshmohapatra5058
@adarshmohapatra5058 3 жыл бұрын
@@shraddhariut5393 Ha kemiti janilo
@augustus8913
@augustus8913 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact : In Athens , every adult male citizen had the responsibility to participate in the politics , so that the democratic City-State could take decisions. It was illegal for free men to abstain from the discussions and from the voting. Because some men didn't participate in democracy , Athens hired Macedonians (Macedonian "Μακεδόνας" means long-tall. Macedonians were known for being tall and strong. ) to form some kind of "police". Their job was to seek for abstaining men and lead them to the agora (they could use force if needed). Those that were forced to attend were called "Ιδιώτες" (idiotes) meaning "those who care only for themselves". This "title" was in fact so humiliating , that nowadays "idiot" means stupid. So , in Ancient Athens , Democracy was so important that they literally had "police officers" to force everyone to the agora and anyone who tried to abstain was considered stupid.
@britisheastindiacompany6031
@britisheastindiacompany6031 3 жыл бұрын
Another wonderful content. Liked it very much. Greeks are so awesome that no matter what you know about the Greeks and Greek culture, you still have a lot to learn.
@vesnanuspahic7510
@vesnanuspahic7510 3 жыл бұрын
British East India Company Yea but true history ‼️‼️‼️
@charadradam9985
@charadradam9985 3 жыл бұрын
@@vesnanuspahic7510 this is the pattern of a flag not the history of a people (history, culture, civilization, language etc). they are two different things. in your way of thought, france romania and italy are the same because they use the same flag pattern in other colours or russians and hollandese are the same because they use the same pattern in different colours. you must be very stupid not to understand what you told.
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 3 жыл бұрын
So does ethnicity comes from the Greek word Ethnos?
@Dourios_96
@Dourios_96 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that is correct 👍
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and it is connected to the word Ethics also, as people of the same Ethnos have common ethics.
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
@@spiritusIRATUS We have, we actually have even more concepts than English see εθνικότητα, ιθαγένεια, υπηκοότητα, φυλή, γένος, ημεδαπότητα ...
@stratilatis8562
@stratilatis8562 3 жыл бұрын
@@aokiaoki4238 I'm not sure about that. Ethos from greek ήθος Ethnos from greek έθνος. Complitly different words even their routes don't match
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
@@stratilatis8562 Etymologically are connected. Έθνος is what Nation is in English, Ethnicity in English is meant ιθαγένεια. There is no word or legal concept in Enlgish for ημεδαπότητα for example. In Greek you may have the Εθνικότητα (nationality) and the ημεδαπότητα ( live were you were born) but not the ιθαγένεια(ethnicity). Or you may have Εθνικότητα (nationality) and the ιθαγένεια(ethnicity) but not the ημεδαπότητα ( you were born somewhere else)
@Telenil
@Telenil 3 жыл бұрын
If one of these cities is razed by the others, can we say that they defound the polis?
@kostas3577
@kostas3577 3 жыл бұрын
yes tse they would
@kerzariz8717
@kerzariz8717 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@Samuelpiang511
@Samuelpiang511 3 жыл бұрын
I'm being lazy saying this but whenever I play rome total war 2 I would always occupy than subjugate or raze any cities I just conquered. I dont see much benefit or understanding of razing a city.
@Samuelpiang511
@Samuelpiang511 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vandelberger thank you! that makes sense. I've been playing easy mode because the game takes over 20 hours I swear.
@CliveBurr4
@CliveBurr4 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great avatar
@USERCRETE
@USERCRETE 3 жыл бұрын
3:47 Ethnos (Έθνος) = Nation . Greeks gave the first definition of that word
@kylewilliams8114
@kylewilliams8114 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, I don't think the concept was never used before. It's just the word english speakers use to convey the idea.
@prometheuskomnenos2116
@prometheuskomnenos2116 3 жыл бұрын
As a Greek , I really appreciate when non-Greeks take the time to learn about our history . I would like to congratulate this channel for explaining it so accurately . But I would also like to point out a small but crucial language mistake , there are some letter combinations in Greek which make a different sound from what it looks like. For example ... "Koina" is pronounced Kiná and not as it looks like. The following letters when combined make this sounds : o+i= i , a+i= ae , o+u= ooo (u). Respectfully , Greek viewer
@queldron
@queldron 3 жыл бұрын
These only apply to the modern Greek pronunciation. In ancient Greek it was actually as the narrator pronounced.
@Skeloperch
@Skeloperch 3 жыл бұрын
As is the case with English, ancient Greek sounds much different from modern Greek despite being ostensibly the same language.
@monkey_ona_donkey6272
@monkey_ona_donkey6272 3 жыл бұрын
@@Skeloperch well i think i will have to prove you wrong because when i learn ancient Greek phonetically speacking the pronunciation was the same with the ancient Greek and modern Greek ... is something was pronounced differently it was evident in writing ... and the explanation is simple really
@godnkls
@godnkls 3 жыл бұрын
@@monkey_ona_donkey6272 Where did you learn about ancient greek phonetics? I guess you are a Greek having learnt the ancient language as a course in Gymnasium, where they only teach the basics and the rules of declination, nothing about phonetics. The pronunciation was really different 2000 years ago. The best example I can give you is "υ", which was pronounced as "hι", something that got transferred to latin and later to other languages. Words like "hydra","hyper" etc, but originally with "ι" instead of "αϊ" sound
@sakdavid
@sakdavid 3 жыл бұрын
@@godnkls And where did you learn ancient Greek phonetics? Were you taught by the Euboean colonists in the bay of Naples? The idea that ancient Greek did not have dipthongs and this feature was picked up along the way for whatever reason is absurd.
@XxAverageJoexX
@XxAverageJoexX 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best channels on KZbin. Thank you.
@CommonSense858
@CommonSense858 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Always spot on! Look forward to each new video! Thanks Kings and Generals
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
Funny fact, Spartans had huge iron coins so they can't have and carry many of them
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was to make hoarding vast amounts of money undesirable as iron would be very heavy to carry around, one cannot flaunt their wealth without also being weighed down by it.
@NobleKorhedron
@NobleKorhedron 3 жыл бұрын
"Koinon" refers to the League itself, not a monetary unit....
@aokiaoki4238
@aokiaoki4238 3 жыл бұрын
@@NobleKorhedron Koinon means common. It can be referred to many things
@dubuyajay9964
@dubuyajay9964 2 жыл бұрын
I thought they were strips of leather to discourage the use of gold.
@wingedhussar4219
@wingedhussar4219 3 жыл бұрын
I like that you are doing many videos for Greece recently. Nice vid
@michaelmatthews2434
@michaelmatthews2434 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Glad to see you guys doing so well.
@meepk633
@meepk633 3 жыл бұрын
The art and design in these is so good. Looks fun to do.
@MrJonLott
@MrJonLott 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content. Well done all around. This is why you've got 1.32M subscribers.
@illerac84
@illerac84 3 жыл бұрын
Great work, as always. Looking forward to more Roman economic episodes!
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 3 жыл бұрын
This documentary explores a subject that is hardly touched in popular history and goes into great detail on the organization and management of the leagues.
@konstantinossfoungaris8474
@konstantinossfoungaris8474 3 жыл бұрын
Please refrain from using spurious omega's and Greek sigma's for 'O' and 'E' characters. It makes the Greek alphabet look like a novelty item, and distances the Latin alphabet user from it by alienating them from the similarities between the two. It would be of great help to write Greek and Latin in parallel instead, as it can help people pick up some rudimentary Greek, and promote its-however limited-usage.
@elliott7706
@elliott7706 3 жыл бұрын
I find Mycenaean Greece much more facinating. Bronze age nations were so advanced, its baffling to me to try to understand how many times our civilizations have rised and fallen. Mycenaean had toilets, sewers, hot water etc.
@Thessaloz
@Thessaloz 3 жыл бұрын
Minoans propably had that too. I found my dna match with some minoan skeletons recently and i start reading some things about them, they even had water treatment devices and water came in their towns with aqueducts.
@surgicalcrabby8993
@surgicalcrabby8993 3 жыл бұрын
I am an early subscriber and a lover of history. Please continuethe good quality and don’t focus on views. I have been watching since the battle of al qaddisheah. Thanks good job
@johanalitalo8331
@johanalitalo8331 Жыл бұрын
Nice overview of the city states. Hope to see moore videos of them (if possible Athens or Sparta).
@Miamcoline
@Miamcoline 3 жыл бұрын
You guys should do a detailed mini-series of the Peloponnesian War next. It may be overdone but most documentaries and books gloss over it, only focusing on key events and people without too much real context. You guys have done most of the key episodes around it so you might as well. You could even team up with HistoriaCivilis, who is the strongest on ancient political/military context but does not seem to have the time or the resources to dedicate to create videos on drawn out episodes in history. You would be a very strong team.
@lukezuzga6460
@lukezuzga6460 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Fellas, thanks!
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great n informative video. And a nice insight into what Greece was like at this time. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
@angelusvastator1297
@angelusvastator1297 2 жыл бұрын
"God why is everything so political these days?" Greeks:
@mohammadsaida4603
@mohammadsaida4603 3 жыл бұрын
Nice history video talking about policy interfering among several parts of one league's 👍👏🏾👏🏾🌟
@georgeabraham5672
@georgeabraham5672 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always
@josephstevens3942
@josephstevens3942 3 жыл бұрын
Man, mishearing "Phocian League" really made my day!
@Bejunckt
@Bejunckt 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol made me wanna join xd
@CuriousInquiror
@CuriousInquiror 3 жыл бұрын
They need do a whole video on the history of the Phocian League
@kostageorgiou3741
@kostageorgiou3741 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thanks for these videos makes me proud of my heritage
@TheMichaell522
@TheMichaell522 3 жыл бұрын
Please do more of Caesar,I’m so interested. Thanks
@vladimirbazhaev7851
@vladimirbazhaev7851 3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about the sacred wars? they are fascinating!
@blackbirdgriffin
@blackbirdgriffin 3 жыл бұрын
Well thank you for the vid I will now go back and play some EBII Koinon Hellenon, This is too tempting :)
@henriquecarvalho880
@henriquecarvalho880 3 жыл бұрын
I wish the sources were added to the video description, it would make a lot easier to look more into this topic. i'm have no interest in specialize myself in ancient history nor the greek, but I really like the subject and would appreciate if you guys could do that in the future videos
@thomasrinschler6783
@thomasrinschler6783 3 жыл бұрын
I responded to one post concerning the pronunciation of οι, but I'm seeing so many other posts bringing it up that I'll make a general post. So basically, οι was originally pronounced like the narrator pronounced it, "oi". It eventually began to pronounced the same way as the ancient υ (like the German "ü") with this happening between the third century BC and third century AD. That pronunciation lasted until around AD 1000, when both οι and υ transitioned, along with several Greek vowels like η, ει, and υι (which all originally had their own pronunciations) to the modern pronunciation of "i". So, pronouncing οι as "oi" is correct for the time frame that the narrator is describing, as οι only began to be pronounced as "i" after AD 1000 or so. For more detail on this, have fun in the "Diachronic phonetic description" section of the following article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek_phonology
@nopenoperton5448
@nopenoperton5448 3 жыл бұрын
It’s like shouting into the wind. I’m not sure why modern Greek speakers are so adamant that the language hasn’t changed in 2000+ years (a linguistic impossibility for a spoken language) and some here even openly denounce the Erasmian model.
@starman1144
@starman1144 3 жыл бұрын
6:18 in modern Greek Bouli (βουλή) is the parlement
@user-nf9xc7ww7m
@user-nf9xc7ww7m 3 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greece was different than modern, for sure. Despite its unwieldy size, the 500-member Boule was actually the executive. The legislature were all the citizens (ie not women, children, or slaves) in direct democracy. Specific offices were appointed, but they would be more akin to a mix between modern day civil servants (well, spoils-day civil servants at least) and US-style cabinet secretaries. Be interesting if modern Greece were to become the Greek League and have all city-states confederate with it, with direct democracy (but with universal suffrage) at the polis level. Everybody copied the british or american system, though others have perfected it (eg sweden, germany, new zealand).
@starman1144
@starman1144 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m I meant the word. In modern Greek the word Bouli means parlement. Bro, I'm Greek. Do you really think that I wouldn't know that. It's my country's history.
@jordancaleb5790
@jordancaleb5790 3 жыл бұрын
cool new map style!
@sirmoglok
@sirmoglok 2 жыл бұрын
I've been falling asleep to so many of these that i had a dream last night where i was in a pub with a friend and this guys voice came on and it was on a t.v. in there. and i would enter different parts of town and randomly start hearing him narrating, or a person break out into a narration channeling his voice
@MrKIMBO345
@MrKIMBO345 3 жыл бұрын
This is interesting. Some political concepts of the West civilization came from Ancient Greek like federation and alliance.
@The-Plaguefellow
@The-Plaguefellow 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, because diplomatic concepts only arose from a singular civilization, and definitely weren't developed independently across the world and at different times...
@gardenlizard1586
@gardenlizard1586 3 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍
@MaidenWithEyesOfBlue384
@MaidenWithEyesOfBlue384 3 жыл бұрын
1:47 to skip the World of Tanks ad
@KonekoEalain
@KonekoEalain 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to learn more about what led to the rise in population in the 8th cent. bce, and what caused the decline in the Spartan population that led to the end to their hegemony.
@Anthony_Matabaro_3D_360
@Anthony_Matabaro_3D_360 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kings and Generals, another great video, could guys kindly provided the names or some links to the music you use? Thank you and have a good day.
@chrisgotsopoulos7878
@chrisgotsopoulos7878 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Greece and I believe that we even now have the disadvantage to love our land(city) and press our local interests before the interest of the state,you can found politicians and common people that they only care about developing their local interests inspite of the common good of the state, that's the true problem that keeps Greece behind and corrupted
@user-wd2du6ze5p
@user-wd2du6ze5p 3 жыл бұрын
Αt 2:15 we see the ancient symbol for the panhellenic socialist movement aka ΠΑΣΟΚ.
@vega5297
@vega5297 3 жыл бұрын
Χχαχαχα
@user-nf6rq4jo3e
@user-nf6rq4jo3e 3 жыл бұрын
Ο ηλιος ο πρασινος ο ηλιος που ανατελει!
@dma3d
@dma3d 3 жыл бұрын
Το ΠΑΣΟΚ το ορθοδοξο υπαρχει απο την αρχαιοτητα, ξυπνατεεεε XD
@JohnyAngelo
@JohnyAngelo 3 жыл бұрын
As a history grad student, this was helpful. :)
@cembiten911
@cembiten911 3 жыл бұрын
You guys deserve your own Netflix series..
@sturmgewer44
@sturmgewer44 3 жыл бұрын
K&G , please make a serie about the byzantine macedonian and Komnenian renaissance !!
@markusskram4181
@markusskram4181 Жыл бұрын
I love The vid !
@GRironman
@GRironman 3 жыл бұрын
First of all, love your work!! A minor observation, the pronunciation of Koina/ Κοινά in greek is "kenà" with an acoustic "e" in place of the "oi" and the punctuation is on the a. Keep up your incredible work!!!
@giwrgosemdou6545
@giwrgosemdou6545 3 жыл бұрын
A small correction all the Greeks belong to the same ethnos(έθνος) which means nation but there were smaller groups called fillo(φύλο) which means something like tribe.
@nopenoperton5448
@nopenoperton5448 3 жыл бұрын
That’s not always the case; ἔθνος has a semantic range. Thucydides, for example, uses it on several occasions to refer to different groups of people from the same geographic area in Greece (e.g. 5.52 Ἡρακλεώταις τοῖς ἐν Τραχῖνι μάχη ἐγένετο πρὸς Αἰνιᾶνας καὶ Δόλοπας καὶ Μηλιᾶς καὶ Θεσσαλῶν τινάς. προσοικοῦντα γὰρ τὰ ἔθνη ταῦτα τῇ πόλει πολέμια ἦν: οὐ γὰρ ἐπ’ ἄλλῃ τινὶ γῇ ἢ τῇ τούτων τὸ χωρίον ἐτειχίσθη.)
@Thessaloz
@Thessaloz 3 жыл бұрын
They knew that they were all Hellenes, but i am not sure if they called that ethnos.
@VoidLantadd
@VoidLantadd 3 жыл бұрын
Great improvement pronunciation-wise! Pronouncing kappa as a k. Much better.
@baileycampbell1710
@baileycampbell1710 3 жыл бұрын
Cant get over that he used the civ 6 sound track as back round music. It works nicely but all i can picture is civ 6
@OmegaTrooper
@OmegaTrooper 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing as how Kings and Generals is sponsored by Imperator: Rome (amongst others) it would be cool to see the various types of Greek leagues represented in that game as well! Its actually quite similar to some of the Stellaris federations.
@bobthepervyuncle
@bobthepervyuncle 3 жыл бұрын
It will be a paid DLC knowing PDX
@menaseven9093
@menaseven9093 3 жыл бұрын
Nice story of the Ancient Greek Leagues.
@chevysuarez7306
@chevysuarez7306 3 жыл бұрын
Greek league: Who are you? United States: I'm like you but much bigger. Greek league: How big. United States: * shows itself * Greek league: Thats pretty big but whats that weird thing thats sticking out. United States: ...Its Florida I dont want talk about it
@Pavlos_Charalambous
@Pavlos_Charalambous 3 жыл бұрын
Well the ancient Greek leagues- although we should never draw parallels with today- was more like the ancient equivalent of a loose common economic and diplomatic alliance like European union than a federation like United states 😉
@prvt.paulalawrence5782
@prvt.paulalawrence5782 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, its a nice video, keep up the good work. But if you could get me the script so i can read it while i can listen to you. it would be very helpful for me.
@sixshooter500
@sixshooter500 Жыл бұрын
"When we learn about in school." We don't learn 98% of what this channel teaches in school... and I love you for that.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@PranavMV
@PranavMV 3 жыл бұрын
Just letting the creator know that the amount of knowledge that I gain from watching his videos is far more than what my history books have taught.. I have tried reading about this but never understood so, when we talk about ancient greeks before it became a roman state, it's the people, not the empire or kingdom, right? Or were these city-states part of a single federation? Like the leagues mentioned were still independent but was there a superstate? Like during the Greco Persian war, it was Greece against Persians.
@mooneyplovwer4040
@mooneyplovwer4040 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so thankful that i found this channel some time ago it was all I ever wanted exactly the way i wanted it never stop making videos!
@xaros738
@xaros738 3 жыл бұрын
Πολις with "ι" is for one city, Πολεις is plural. Ι think the use in the beginning of the video is for one city if i understand right, so was wrong. Thanks again for your videos. I m not telling this because of the Greek content, i love history in general, but especially military history. And i love to watch things from other countries and periods so i learn something more.
@LetsBeBlunt
@LetsBeBlunt 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing channel I'm always looking forward to your uploads, keep it up 💯
@joeshmoe8345
@joeshmoe8345 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@user-jz7pq7iz8h
@user-jz7pq7iz8h 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from athens!You never disappointed us for another video!
@Hugh_Morris
@Hugh_Morris 3 жыл бұрын
Emperor Hadrian, years later, also attempted to unite the Greeks under the Roman banner. I believe that was also in the form of a League.
@warreng675
@warreng675 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Patric Stewart, whens the next stream
@PackHunter117
@PackHunter117 3 жыл бұрын
3:46 That must be where the word ethnicity and ethnic come from.
@petermills3814
@petermills3814 3 жыл бұрын
Next up for your videos! = ideas as follow ups. Ancient Roman state politics and diplomacy Ancient + Medieval Byzantine state politics and diplomacy Ancient + Medieval Chinese state politics and diplomacy.
@b.m.5068
@b.m.5068 3 жыл бұрын
Make one on Indus civilization
@Scornbrand
@Scornbrand 3 жыл бұрын
Will we ever get a Phoenician version of this? Or something about the Phoenician world and sphere
@tristanverbeek6741
@tristanverbeek6741 3 жыл бұрын
Please make an episode about the pelopenisian war
@dion8306
@dion8306 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Macedonia, Greece🇬🇷❤ (Alexander is Greek)
@christermi
@christermi 3 жыл бұрын
(That's a given , no point in addressing this fact)
@dion8306
@dion8306 3 жыл бұрын
@@christermi indeed
@shudheshvelusamy7644
@shudheshvelusamy7644 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, if I look at some completely biased sources, I can eventually find somewhere that Alexander wasn't Greek!
@siou3268
@siou3268 3 жыл бұрын
@@shudheshvelusamy7644 Really?Then how could they participate Olympic games?Only those who considered Greek could take part.
@siou3268
@siou3268 3 жыл бұрын
@@shudheshvelusamy7644 I guess Tito's sources correct?
@louiscasteran6298
@louiscasteran6298 3 жыл бұрын
Good civilization 5 music 😉
@aquaticsplashes
@aquaticsplashes 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I have a question at @3:30 it has very small letters I heard italian but it reads something like haetallian not sure if I'm reading that right cuz it's so small on my screen how is that spelled? When I search what I typed it doesn't pull up anything... Are those the same people that founded rome? Are they related to the etruscans? Do they have any relation to the tribe of ramnes?
@rasulpourjafar2080
@rasulpourjafar2080 3 жыл бұрын
Finally a favorite content of mine thanks god 🙏🙄
@stefanoslyras1187
@stefanoslyras1187 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for your comment my dear apprentice. So......Mehmet....in which cave your ancestors were.....when we were building the Parthenon and a couple of Ancient Wonders...?
@user-ls3tl2vm7s
@user-ls3tl2vm7s 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanoslyras1187 why being so bad at him he did not said nothing bad to you.
@stefanoslyras1187
@stefanoslyras1187 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-ls3tl2vm7s exactly my Fellow Greek. He was sarcastic with others things to begin with
@trueblueclue
@trueblueclue 3 жыл бұрын
I hear that Imperator: Rome music in the intro.
@Gojoseon
@Gojoseon 3 жыл бұрын
Oddly Kings and Generals never credits the video game music they use....
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he
@AhmedIbrahim-by9he 3 жыл бұрын
In certain ways Sparta had more rights then Athens. For example women could own property in Sparta while not in Athens.
@cjlogic6908
@cjlogic6908 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch...
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 3 жыл бұрын
@@kafon6368 hahaha! give her the boot! : )
@user-nf9xc7ww7m
@user-nf9xc7ww7m 3 жыл бұрын
I want to know which city-state had pride parades🏳️‍🌈🎉🎊, open transgender & transracial folks🏁, no slavery🏴‍☠️, and universal suffrage🏳. 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗 [Citizens vote to exile me]👨‍👩‍👦‍👦👨‍👧👨‍👩‍👧‍👧👨‍👦‍👦👨‍👩‍👦‍👦👩‍👧‍👧👩‍👧👩‍👧‍👧👨‍👧👨‍👩‍👦
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m Well, the Thebans were ok on things like gay pride. e.g. the so called "sacred band".
@the_chosen_one5642
@the_chosen_one5642 3 жыл бұрын
Also had a slave based economy
@Evilprimarch
@Evilprimarch 3 жыл бұрын
That popping sound made me check if I had Slack still open, despite the fact the business hours for me were over at the time. Real creepy.
@PackHunter117
@PackHunter117 3 жыл бұрын
Do a video on the view of Rome by the recent conquered Greeks.
@geraltgrey-mane695
@geraltgrey-mane695 3 жыл бұрын
have how the city states declare war been coverd here ? Just a random thought I had hmm I guess I will having a good long read then :D If I cant find any here
@mohamedelhaddade6371
@mohamedelhaddade6371 3 жыл бұрын
ha?
@nikos1614
@nikos1614 3 жыл бұрын
I love these kind of videos but I feel the need to point this out. People need to stop (at least when they write something about Greece) using the letter Σ as an E because Σ is the greek letter for S so every time I read texts like these I feel like my eyes are gonna pop out trying to make sense of them.
@nenenindonu
@nenenindonu 3 жыл бұрын
Easily a top 3 ancient civilisation even today greece is mostly matching its ancient state especially linguistically unlike egypt and other countries which are far from being similar to their old states...
@pornometanastis6014
@pornometanastis6014 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't expect a turk to say such things... Well, there's a first time for everything
@buu678
@buu678 3 жыл бұрын
What about china?
@kmystak
@kmystak 3 жыл бұрын
@@alpino950 Well, not exactly according to DNA ethnicity tests.
@alissa6
@alissa6 3 жыл бұрын
@@alpino950 'Scuse me but Hittites, Hurrians, Syrians and Mesopotamians were there before Greeks conquered it. I don't see why Greeks and Armenians think Turkey belongs to them. That's like saying Spain belongs to Saudi Arabia, or Congo to Belgium.
@TheTheusdeus
@TheTheusdeus 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work, however ; How come Corinth was destroyed by "the romans", whereas Thebes is still standing it's ground (in the last map You showed) after being tear down by Alexaner the 3rd ?
@jhunpalz06
@jhunpalz06 2 жыл бұрын
Cassander one of Alexander's generals ruled Macedonia after Alexander's death and killed his child, wife and mother. He was the only one of the Diodochi to try distance himself from Alexander and rebuilt Thebes to gain favor with greece by appearing generous.
@mikes7566
@mikes7566 3 жыл бұрын
Come on, give us the 30 years war finale already!!!! We need the ending!!!!
@user-pe4kg5ev8j
@user-pe4kg5ev8j 3 жыл бұрын
Hellen from the ORIGINAL GREEK MACEDONIA here!!!
@jhunpalz06
@jhunpalz06 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to point out that sparta joined the League of Corinth during the reign of Alexander the great after their failed attempt to usurp greece from Macedonia with the help of Persia while Alexander was away in Asia.
@user-Prometheus
@user-Prometheus Жыл бұрын
I would also like to point out that Macedonia was a part of Greece, the same way it is now. Thank you.
@jhunpalz06
@jhunpalz06 Жыл бұрын
@@user-Prometheus OK, although I never suggested macedonia was a separate from modern greece.
@user-Prometheus
@user-Prometheus Жыл бұрын
@Midnight Adventurer Not only modern Greece, but Ancient Greece also. Sayyyy it….
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