Can’t Afford a LAB OZ.1?... Try this!

[@derobi10854]

I’ve owned the Jailbird S2S for about 3 weeks now and it has required adjustments to my setup and putting stroke. The most significant change is the 6 degrees of loft, requiring a 3 degree forward press, which is built into the shaft angle. If you don’t make contact with that forward press in your stroke the ball will pop up like a chip. However, once you make that adjustment the feel off the face is very pure. I’m not sure why all these zero torque putters need a built in forward press, but I think the LAB forward press grip may be a better way to do it.

[@BruinMike]

Thanks for the detailed review! I also have the Jailbird and absolutely love it. One thing to note is that it does take a little time to get used to the setup-especially maintaining a forward shaft lean so you don’t see the white face insert. Also, the cover you showed isn’t the one that came with my putter, which I found interesting. The only downside for me is the sticker on the shaft. Thanks again for the amazing review; I always appreciate the in-depth insights!

[@gordonrahn4848]

I got the Square to Square Jailbird a few weeks ago. Putting almost immediately improved. Stroke and strike felt much more consistent. Six putts of about 15’ in recent round…made them all. Looking forward to the season!

[@brianoconnor5334]

I'm an owner of the square-to-square jailbird model, and I really like it. However, coming from an anser-style putter there's definitely a little bit of a break in period. For anyone interested, I'd also watch the KZbin video of Danny Maude and Johnny Wunder testing this club out. It helps explain the correct set up position.

[@Trouty5000]

@@brianoconnor5334 did you also get a headcover with one flap not two like in the video? Just curious now 🤔

[@brianoconnor5334]

Yep, I have one flap on the putter cover.

[@lkae4]

@@brianoconnor5334Is that stock?

[@brianoconnor5334]

@@lkae4 yes, I believe so. I think the putter cover is pretty nice and it's not as floppy as the one in this video.

[@lkae4]

@@brianoconnor5334 Nice. I have a LAB Mezz Max with a dual flap cover. One flap would be easier as long as the magnet is strong enough.

[@rickhammel9541]

had it, returned it, didn't feel that much different than my Odyssey 7. Fun tip, LAB recommends putting with your thumbs off of the putter to feel the balance of the putter or something. I tried that, and now putt with my thumbs off of the grip on everything under about 20 feet, and my putting has improved a lot.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Interesting technique!

[@wadepreston3401]

@@rickhammel9541 I have the 7 as well, funny I found this technique worked as well. We must watch all the same videos. 😂

[@hisandhersgolf]

Just bought this exact putter and really loving it! Good feel coming off the face of it, truly up to the user if its a miss hit! Great content!!

[@jwheels9876]

Have this putter and love it but you have to like the feel of the insert that's for sure.

[@dropshiplifestyle]

Good review. I went to Golf Galaxy thinking I’d be bringing one home but my first impression was also that the build quality wasn’t there and it felt cheap. Hoping for an improved v2 next year.

[@brianestevez9663]

When I saw these come out my initial reaction was that Odyssey saw the companies coming out with the zero torque putters but they didn’t have one. So they made these real quick and I think it was probably rushed and that well thought out.

[@craigmoyer6916]

Not true at all. The Odyssey Toe Up and backstyke lineup of putters that were both released many years ago were low torque designed putters.

[@Integratedcraig]

Gabe- Love the content of this channel! Looking forward to the ranking video!

[@Jaredxstp]

Ordered my first upgraded putter last week the lab oz after playing with my beginner set strata putter for past 2 years. Putting been a strong point so excited to have something a bit nicer then what i use currently

[@LetsPlayThru]

That’s a big upgrade, congrats 🍾

[@charlie1832]

How have you liked those clubs ? I was going to go with those but took a chance on a set of Hogan FW-817’s that I’ve been very happy with so far. I’m also a new golfer just started this past summer

[@lkae4]

@@charlie1832 Most cavity back iron sets are very forgiving and good these days. Hogan is a quality brand. As you get more experienced, getting fit for putter and driver is a great idea like Jared did but he went all out. I'm all for it, haha.

[@Jaredxstp]

@@charlie1832 strata’s a nice set I liked the irons and hybrids a lot. Definitely a good set to learn the game with but I did replace the driver quickly which I felt was a huge difference using the rogue st max instead

[@Jaredxstp]

@@lkae4 haha I had too that new oz just looks amazing!!

[@shmirginhymer1867]

Ordered my first LAB. OZ1. Beyond excited.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Niiiiiice!!! 🍾

[@shmirginhymer1867]

@LetsPlayThru Also had a 10% off coupon so that lightened the blow! 😆

[@GRIFF22]

Very good video. Would you consider reaching out to Odyssey with two questions. 1) Can you change the grip without affecting the balance of the putter and 2) Can you make the head heavier with heavier weights without affecting the balance. The reason I ask is because LAB individually weight each putter and so would adjusting some variable imbalance the 'square to square'.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I don't have any contacts over there, but I will say...they offer various grip options if you order online. I assume changing the weight will definitely affect the balance and likely not recommended. This is where L.A.B. really shines and why they cost more as well.

[@JamelThompson]

I'll definitely be rolling these soon! I like the look of these more than the others out there.

[@clintonstumpf5210]

Bought that jailbird model. Love it and price was right.

[@thecringegolfer]

Nice review! This is the one I am thinking of going with except I''ll go through the online store instead of off the shelf. From the website you can customize it a bit more for no additional cost. You can change shafts, and change the lie angle to 2 degrees up or flat. Different grip options will change the price.

[@blainetsukayama4513]

What I'm currently using and coming from a scottie I really like the feel and roll I'm getting with the jailbird

[@clayfleming6286]

I tried the #7 Square to Square yesterday and would say for me personally it was much more natural and accurate than my DF3.

[@vmk11492]

one thing to note; you misspoke about the ai tech on these putters. It has nothing to do with the lines on the face but the back of the face that you can see through the window has varying thickness to get similar distance no matter where you strike from.

[@andrewwailes7858]

Good review mate. The forward press is a hard thing to get used to as an old blade user!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes indeed, you are right

[@garagegolfchronicles]

Can you change the loft on these? I know on LAB you aren't able or are not supposed to.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

With all due respect, and I may be 100% wrong, I feel that even the lightest of grips will easily overcome any additional torque of a regular vs these putters.

[@user-xn7uh5ch2z]

Yeah I just don’t understand how the revealer stuff is relevant when you actually have to grip the putter

[@johnsager9481]

If that’s true, then you’d also have to think that all putter balancing is irrelevant/pointless, and it wouldn’t matter if you played a full toe hang putter or a face balanced putter.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

@johnsager9481 Maybe

[@KevinScott-oi9sg]

Would love to try this putter but no lefty models out. Currently gaming the odyssey 2ball.

[@randallpennington5976]

I’ll be getting a LAB putter this next spring!

[@sidtaubman6007]

I bought the square 2 square jailbird with the upgraded shaft. I had a lot of problems with long and uphill putts. Seems like the harder I tried to hit it the results got worse. Any thoughts on forward press at address?

[@LetsPlayThru]

I like the forward press personally. Because that face is softer you do have to swing a bit harder, so long putts have a bit more arc, consequently leaving a bit more room for failure too. But I think once you dial it in, you should learn to love it.

[@CrisHansen-ig5wv]

Loving the putter videos…. Selfishly as I’ve been looking to get a new putter; currently gaming a Cleveland Huntington. I like the Jailbird but I can’t find any info on the alternative shafts on Odyssey’s site they offer for the S2S putters.

[@axo9]

I also rock the Cleveland Huntington Beach. I just picked up my nephew an Odessey #7 for Christmas. Took it too the putting green yesterday to see how they compare. Odyssey feels cheap and it was anything but. Jon from Stacked Golf said it best about Cleveland HB it's a poor man's Scotty and it feels better

[@davidmaxfieldgolf]

Amazing video as always mate, would love to see this vs the Oz.1

[@lkae4]

This is putter of the year IMO. It shows that zero torque putters are a simpler and better design at a price for everyone. I have a Mezz Max which is staying in the bag because it's customized to my specs and it performs.

[@brent1133]

they gave you the Shite head cover for sure. Mine has the eagle on it

[@HalKastner]

They gave u the putter head cover for the 7 square to square. The one for the jailbird has one magnetic strap and says jailbird on it I went back to golf galaxy and they gave me the right one

[@wessims3412]

Regardless of the jazzy look in the high technology, funny enough there’s something to be said about simplicity, and from what I saw here you put it better with the Kirkland signature putter over a year ago. The tournaments that were one and the miraculous pets that were made over the last 30 years were with much last technology, then they put into this putter and you would have to think some of those wonderful putts that were made may have missed the cup if they had been using something like this. I don’t believe all the tech and gimmicks in putters and drivers. If it was all true with drivers, we’d be driving at 40 yards further than 5 years ago.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Time will tell I suppose. I do think we are going to see putting averages go up overall. Especially make percentages from 10’ and in. We shall see 👀

[@SixStarGolf]

Are you going to review the bettinardi antidote?

[@ericl8821]

I’m excited for the zero torque Betti’s coming out soon! 👀

[@scottmessier7772]

What about the even cheaper and similar quality as the Lombardi Diamond ! It was out before the oz

[@peterdeasy8176]

I’ll stick with my current face balanced putter which cost me half the price of an odyssey putter. I will wait until they drop in price as all brands will be making a version, and the price will be forced down by competition.

[@kyleericson9777]

I’m thinking once Cleveland, Wilson, etc. come out with them, then us mere mortals can afford them.👍🏻

[@CS94789]

This is as low as the price will get for anything worth spending for

[@wadepreston3401]

So I went and tested the Lab, this Odyssey and an Evenroll zero Tork putters Saturday at Golf Galaxy. For me, this Odyssey didn’t compete, I just couldn’t get on to it. But between the LAB and Evenroll, it as a toss up. It was disappointing to me because I really like the looks of the Jailbird head, and I really wanted to like it.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Those other two are fantastic. Good you got to test them all at once.

[@wadepreston3401]

@ I’m sure others may have a different experience, it is a personal feel. Nothing against Odyssey, I have played them for years.

[@qtrmilemalone]

What’s funny is I had the complete opposite experience. I can not hit the LAB golf putters, I may need time to adjust to it but I’m everywhere with it. I really really like the S2S jailbird, I may be biased because I use a jailbird mini right now. But I even compared the S2S JB to the one I have and I will say my misses were less, longer putts the dispersion with it was better each time than the normal jailbird.

[@wadepreston3401]

@@qtrmilemalone I am jealous, I just love the look of it, because the others are not much to look at, just didn’t hit it off.

[@Trouty5000]

Gabe did you get a prototype or a review version or something because my headcover is nicer than that has the single flap and I actually like the grip, i think the putter feels great.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I bought it from the PGA Tour Superstore and it’s not impossible that they gave me the wrong head cover 🤣

[@Trouty5000]

@LetsPlayThru LOL I wonder which one is the right one. I got mine customized and shipped from Golf Galaxy but even if mine is the wrong one I'm glad it is because it fits great and everything so I'll take it 😆

[@Trouty5000]

​@@LetsPlayThru yeah I rewatched it and I can't tell exactly but it doesn't look like yours has the Jailbird picture or the AI One leterring so I think they definitely gave you the wrong headcover that's a bummer.

[@LetsPlayThru]

@ I went back and swapped for the right one, thanks for the heads up

[@Trouty5000]

@LetsPlayThru anytime glad they fixed it for you

[@mikegeaney]

Plenty of people that can afford a Lab will go with this putter. I didn’t like looking down the shaft of the Lab as the offset into the grip bothered me. I tried both the Jailbird and #7…Jailbird made it home. I did get a single flap Jailbird AI cover.

[@jergernice1]

I’ve had the df3 the Allan the enroll zero and now this. Liked this one the best but still not good enough so I ordered the oz.1 with no shaft lean. That’s what I’ve hated about all of these putters.

[@LetsPlayThru]

You’re burning thru them quick! Hope you find a winner 🏆

[@chrisb9478]

I might go for this Jailbird but I want a graphite shaft 😑

[@WalkerA92]

Bought one used (near mint) for $230 on Marketplace. Reason being is I went to test it and loved it. But buying new is silly IMO

[@golfbuddy1969]

It’s really not about money. Try them both. I seriously doubt that someone cannot afford a $450 putter, but then look at a $300 putter as a bargain. I could get whatever and the odyssey is just better for me.

[@MyweathernetreportsBlogspot]

Jailbird putter in my future

[@MyweathernetreportsBlogspot]

Looking at website. Hum, new putter or small Mevo. (Not the Mevo +)

[@MyweathernetreportsBlogspot]

I am ordering one with the custom grip I’m currently gaming on my Taylormade Spider X a Flat Cat Golf $23 extra. I’d like to be able to try several different grips on it.

[@TMar1961]

Here's my problem. I consider myself a good putter, avg 28.9 putts per round, so would this actually improve my putting?

[@LetsPlayThru]

That is very good putting for sure. What is your current weapon? Do you feel that you miss putts left and right or is it just reading them and getting the speed?

[@TMar1961]

@LetsPlayThru Current putter is Odyssey EXO Rossie and I burn a ton of edges, almost automatic from 5', and lag to inside 5' on most putts outside 40'.

[@LetsPlayThru]

@@TMar1961sounds like you have a good stroke. I probably wouldn’t rush to switch, but maybe give one a shot in your local golf shop to see if it helps.

[@thomascairns4216]

Well which one do you think is the best? Because none of them are really cheap and at 6’6” I need a 37 1/2 “ length putter So what do you think?

[@LetsPlayThru]

@@thomascairns4216 Depends on what your needs are of course so I’ll be breaking it down into a few categories. And that video should be coming on Wednesday.

[@vmk11492]

they're coming out with the cruisers of these in January

[@wks4511]

Gabe is so close to the silver plaque. 👍

[@LetsPlayThru]

Soooooo close, I can taste it 😀

[@viperfanatic13]

It may be the Indian and not the arrow, but you give the Indian a new compound bow and I bet he misses a lot less..........

[@brianestevez9663]

When I saw these for the first time my initial reaction was that Odyssey panicked because they saw these companies coming out with these zero torque putters. I don’t think Odyssey was prepared or had any and they rushed these out to the market by just throwing the shaft in a certain place.

[@ronaldbalaskovitz5637]

Yeah, you can't get it customized as far as lie angle like LAB, but you do that with LAB and you're looking at $600+. Brilliant by Odyssey to make these half that, so if somebody is curious about torque free putters, the barrier to entry is a heck of a lot more palatable for most golfers.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes, i think it could be the "gateway drug" for a lot of folks.

[@klhening5222]

@@LetsPlayThru Odyssey lets you custom order 2 degrees up or down on their website.

[@davep2945]

I have an old Maltby Xtreme Moment putter from Lord knows how long ago that is center shafted with weights far back and to the extreme outside. Way before LAB was an idea this putter existed and it was and is ugly as sin but it worked better than anything I ever tried. Is it zero torque? I have no idea but it bears all the marks of a zero torque putter. These days ugly putters are everywhere an no one minds as long as you give it a trendy marketing twist or a bougie name and price tag. I do really like the jailbird putter but it doesn't work better than my old Maltby nor the Odyssey O-Works Marxman I bought several years ago. The Odyssey doesn't work better than the Maltby but it looks better and feels better. And it was the first putter since I bought the Maltby that matched it's performance. Nothing else has done so thus far since that purchase. I would say the Jailbird is about as good but if it's not better than why buy it?

[@TTT-1961.]

I think the Jailbird stripes send a negative note, like “use this and you will be in putter jail.”

[@LetsPlayThru]

Haha. I guess you could also think about it like you're sending the ball to jail...a deep dark pit.

[@gearrunner]

They gave you the wrong headcover. I have the Jailbird Square 2 Square and it has a center shaft Jailbird headcover like the normal Jailbirds have only to accept the center shaft.

[@toddaddison5327]

Feels too light. I never thought that with the other Jbs.

[@LetsPlayThru]

I wonder if that is because of the shorter shaft? I know with my other jailbird I had a much longer shaft on it and longer grip. That added to the overall weight for sure.

[@JamelThompson]

It's because the putter is counterbalanced. There is a weight in the butt end of the shaft. I wonder if you remove the weight, will that bring some feel back to the putter.

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

Some Chinese factory makes all the high priced putters for maybe $40.

[@chriso5846]

They gave you the wrong head cover. The jail bird has a jail bird on it. I have that model too. The one they gave you is for the seven.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Thanks yes, I actually swapped it today with them

[@travis3889]

don't do it! If you are going no torque you need to spend the extra money and a get a LAB Golf putter. I have been using a DF3 and will not even try the new OZ1 simply because the DF3 is lights out for me. If you are going no torque, go for the best, which is Lab.

[@SixStarGolf]

Did you giveaway your lab yet?

[@LetsPlayThru]

We pull in winner when we hit 100 K subscribers

[@SixStarGolf]

@ you will be there soon! Keep that 🔥content coming! Best reviewer by far! You are one of the reasons I ended up with the 2024 wilson CB’s.

[@tellwilliams4493]

Whatever happened to get fitted get fitted get fitted. I’ll tell you for me. There’s no place with 200 miles around me to get fitted. Maybe I make my own putter and sell it make it adjustable come up with something wacky type one if somebody wants me to come up with wacky and I’ll sell that damn thing.

[@montegustafson5142]

Tried the LAB version, did not like it. Different strokes for different folks.....

[@WalkerA92]

I resell LABs so I try a lot. No point in me paying a premium if I still put like crap

[@freddieanderson7037]

It’s crazy I got rid of my mezz 1 max and I’m putting better with this jail bird putter. It doesn’t feel mass produced lol it’s just lighter than the super heavy lab putters. The tech is the same period because I had both putters. Big expensive brands are what yall like but odyssey has been number one putter in your for a reason. Rushed? They said they been working on these for 2 years lol try again

[@freddieanderson7037]

And has an odyssey putter ever felt weak off the face lol scam

[@coreyvanular6195]

Tried this at the store , it’s was terrible I pulled everything left

[@LetsPlayThru]

The key with all these zero torque putters is a super loose grip.

[@xghostwalker6x]

Looks like a half assed attempt to enter the “zero-torque” market. I’ll give it a generation or two. Meanwhile I’m ordering my Oz.1

[@patc5599]

Amateur not Ammata

[@lageronimo8012]

Prices are ruining the game and will rush it's demise.

[@traviscrown9189]

Cant afford a Lab? buy one of these for $400... LOL LOL LOL

[@RicardoDaSilva-lu7vs]

$300* its a huge difference almost half off

[@traviscrown9189]

@ guess $300 putters are the norm. Just another example of golf has gotten way out of hand with expenses.

[@RicardoDaSilva-lu7vs]

@@traviscrown9189 agreed but the whole world is expensive. Golf got so popular during Covid

[@traviscrown9189]

@ wasn’t popular where I was. We were not allowed to play during covid. Then when it did finally open up had all the same dumb covid rules and even covid cups around the flag sticks. Lab putters are not worth what they cost to make. Much less the ridiculous price. Scotty’s are not either, but at least if you buy one of those you know the re sale value is good. $300-400 for an odyssey putter is ridiculous. More ridiculous that it is looked at as the norm.

[@Collin-n3y]

No weights on the sides, a miss center hit will be way offline. All they did was put a center shaft on the same old face. The price is great but not the best on the market for sure

[@saltysteel3996]

There is perimeter weighting. Off center hits still go straight.

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

Tried it. My god what a horrible lifeless, funky, light piece of uncomfortable metal. Lab is 1000x better. Sorry

[@zaldyox]

I picked up this putter and it feels light and plastic for the price

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

$300- $500 for a putter is robbery. It’s a bad investment into getting better. Buy a used $50 putter and spend that money on more golf and practice. You cannot buy a game unless it is lessons. Golfers are so gullable.

[@TheAngelAF]

I live my oddesy #7 broomstick would love to test this head on a broomstick 🧹