Level 100 Samurai is the Most Interesting Melee in Dawntrail - First Thoughts

[@KascGoobbue]

I absolutely agree with your points in this video. I love the flexibility of DT Samurai and the new changes to Tsubame. I love it when the game devs recognize that they messed up (like they did with Tsubame at DT launch), and instead of doubling down on their design choice, they listen to the players' criticism about the state of the job, and change it accordingly. They could have easily just detached Tsubame from Meikyo and still make it have 2 charges, but by allowing you to use Tsubame after every single Midare, they played so much into the class fantasy of a flurry of slashes after a cast time while at the same time making it more flexible because of Iaijutsu's range and more fun to play since you are able to use your powerful attacks more often instead of buttons just taking up hotbar space outside of the 2 min window. The Tsubame rework is one of the most successful ones they have ever done imo, and I'm really glad I'm not the only one enjoying how good it feels.

[@DrZlow]

dude. ADHOC Samurai at the start of DT was the most interesting iteration it has ever been. Just because if you are not doing fillers - the whole rotation became crooked. And taming that beast was very fun. Or you could just do Hagakure fillers and stay in line but it you had to choose your filler wisely. Now you just don't need them anymore. It is too easy to be remotely fun. What is wrong with you people?

[@KascGoobbue]

@@DrZlow I don't think you're wrong for liking DT release ADHOC Sam, but I politely disagree. Current ADHOC Sam to me is more interesting because you have greater flexibility into where you put your ranged attacks which is an important consideration in current fight design. On top of that, current Meikyo acceleration uses the same concepts behind ADHOC Sam at the start of DT, but just expressed in a different form. It is true you don't need Hagakure fillers in current Sam, but if you want, you can have the choice to delay your rotation 2 or 3 gcds depending on which Sen consume for Hagakure whereas at launch, you just had to use it. In my opinion, the increased flexibility to your rotation and how that intersects with how fights are designed this expansion allows for a deeper expression of skill and plays more into the class fantasy of Samurai than at DT launch. I don't think we're gonna convince each other, so I think this is just a moment where we have to agree to disagree.

[@DrZlow]

@@KascGoobbue yes. as i said. it is an "agree to disagree" moment. I am also very VERY biased against samurai since my TOP prog days. I just plainly hate them. So much problems caused by them starting from failing DPS checks because of the job design and ending with very stupid greed moments

[@csrjjsmp]

@@DrZlowhow dare other ppl have different opinions about what is fun waaaaaahhh

[@DrZlow]

@@csrjjsmp are you new to the internet? There are exactly 2 types of opinions: 1 - Mine, 2 - The Wrong One.

[@Kongrisser]

Vit introducing the video with a literal katana in his hand: "Ignore that"

[@ragingmonkey4592]

When you went into showing the savage clip, it killed me that you do not blink at all. The concentration! 13:42

[@99_Vit]

lmao I need to focus so hard while still learning this job

[@MaeGambler]

6:48 correction monk has this as well with fire reply and wind reply

[@pathra]

I main samurai so as soon as I saw this video made by you I was like hell yea! When people have asked why I play sam I have always explained its been a fun job for me and I feel like its a well designed job with flexibility. It does feel nice to hear you say that too! Played it in Endwalker and Dawntrail. It was a bit iffy at the beginning of DT with its first changes (iykyk) but they soon fixed it by allowing Tendo and Kaeshi (the big moves) to be more flexible so that if you hit a button you wont lose it which you explain nicely in the video. As someone who has been playing sam for a while you impressed me with what you covered here with how meikyo efficiency would be collecting 3 combo sens and not the 2 combo one. I am not surprised that you caught on all its optimization parts since you are a solid player! ^^

[@MajorReynolds92]

I played alot of SAM during Endwalker, one of my favorite things about the jobs identity has always been the Iaijutsu, for the simple reason that I love Rurouni Kenshin and sword draw attacks are essentially his master signature, so getting to emulate that in a playable job has always been incredibly fun, particularly the Tsubame-Gaeshi recast weaponskill as to me that basically embodies his Ultimate attack the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki that he fully utilizes for the first time against Shishio (fellow weebs, i'm sure you know what i'm talking about); when they changed Tsubame-Gaeshi in 7.05 to be a ready buff after literally every single Midare, I was so over the moon, like you said that buff makes it so that you can ready another Midare while holding onto the recast, and you get to do 3 Midares back to back to back, add onto that Ogi Namikiri and its own Kaeshi recast, plus the oGCDs like Shoha, Senei, and Zanshin, if you're able to time everything correctly during the burst window you get just this string of ultra hard-hitting screen-shaking attacks that just make your character feel unbelievably powerful and it's genuinely one of the most satisfying things i've ever had the pleasure of feeling in this game

[@Redcritxx]

i like how you can do stuff like pocket your kaeshi and shoha for burst windows it definitely have a higher skill ceiling than some other melees which makes it fun to try and get better

[@KK-ef1ow]

Hey vit, new subscriber here. Im only through StB right now, but just love your content a ton.

[@asatowolfe]

What I love most about Samurai now is the change to how Tsubame-Gaeshi is copied in this patch. Many people still haven't realize it, but they changed something very huge that wasn't addressed in the patch. Specifically, where it automatically copies whatever Iaijutsu you do now, it allows for something that wasn't ever possible before. You could never break the Tsubame-Gaeshi follow-up with another GCD beforehand. It would erase the follow-up. But now, you can store the Tsubame-Gaeshi for 30 seconds until you have your next Midare Settsugekka stored and do something like... Mekiyo Shisui > Sen Combo > Tendo Settsugekka > [skip Tsubame-Gaeshi for now] Mekiyo Shisui > Sen Combo > [now use previous Tsubame-Gaeshi] Kaeshi: Tendo Settsugekka > Tendo Settsugekka > Kaeshi: Tendo Settsugekka. It's so useful for fitting everything in burst windows alongside Higanbana from the 2 minute burst window onward.

[@Scerttle]

I'm glad you picked it up after the patch. It felt so bad at 7.0 IMO

[@phantomvox]

After playing casters for 8 years I wanted to try melee this expansion due to Viper hype. But got bored of it in just a week and picked up samurai which I ignored since it was released. Now is my favorite job due to power and flexibility. Its fun to play. This job is well designed imo.

[@ibenpolanco6280]

u could do the follower of midare in Endwalker, it was just locked due to it having 2 charges, but you didn't need to do meikyo in order to get it

[@Drac_Iguro]

There is something about Samurai that always has me coming back every expansion. Especially in DT with the 7.05 changes, it just feels so good now.

[@tyhjyys]

sam is my favorite for sure. one of the only jobs i can build muscle memory with. it's crazy how close i was to swapping before the tsubame change. let's just hope they don't suddenly feel like they need to rework the perfectly fine job again

[@alexmaganda5827]

Sam and dragoon have always been my fav melees i really love the tsubame change

[@Auron200004]

Yeah in Endwalker I started the process of leveling all my alt jobs. Did them in "order" so I started with ARR jobs, then HW, etc. So I played a bunch of jobs to 90, and i can say that SAM is my favorite so far. I went ahead and mained it in DT since it was at the time my most recently learned, and I'm not looking back yet. It's just fun imo. It clicks for me

[@avi3365]

Yes, yes it is. I picked Samurai for this tier before the 7.05 changes and since I was running hardcore, I had to free style the entire thing trying to figure out how to optimize it with the changes. The changes seem small, but they are actually so huge. It wasn't until after clearing savage I got to sit down with the new Sam, hit a dummy for a few hours and figure out how to play it properly. It's hella fun and quite 'brain on' compared to other melee. I love it.

[@carlsonjf]

it is SO weird that SAM with a sword can hit someone farther away than a Dragoon - a dude with a huge long spear!

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I never give it a serious logical thought. We'd hit wall bosses that are physically very far away but their hitboxes extend halfway if not even further into the boss arena, and you'd easily have a 25y+ distance away from their physical model but you're still doing melee just fine. Spells are pretty funny, too, since those that have projectile animations just nyoom a long distance very fast before impacting target (i.e. Broil 2/3/4).

[@GoatOfWar]

Japanese logic is folded over 1000 times

[@ryancrippen5493]

Sorry kinda off the conversation but how do you hold to stay on the back bar and move to the front bar or if you could lead me the right way I double tap and hold to go to the back bar as soon as I hit a button it goes right back to the main bar please and thank you And I am love sam 💯 percent

[@hazardyoutube1121]

the big thing that i love about melle there is always a way to make it your job if you understand the job well i catch my self on viper and monk doing things crazy and not needing a guide on how to play class

[@PKcrash]

Vit is such a nerd and I love it😂. Always great sitting back and watching a vit video.

[@TheWarofArt27]

I’ve mained sam since shadowbringers. This is the most fun the class has been for me. Ad hoc sam really thrives in any fight that has any downtime. The only time the rotation feels awkward is m4s post-transition. Higanbana being unaligned with 2 min buffs is awkward but still doable.

[@AaronthePedantic]

I don’t know about you, but I feel like Dragoon feels really busy during its burst now because I’m weaving Nastrond rapidly instead of having a cooldown on it.

[@99_Vit]

yeah, it definitely feels more busy than it used to

[@Gemini_Godhand]

The joy of performing a triple Nastrond, simply for the Hell of it, makes Dragoon feel like no 9ther!

[@Jehvon]

lol ur so right went from reaper to samurai & im loving it

[@McNoobySon]

In M4S ion cannon, samurai can triple midare into ogi namikiri to get full uptime when she is breaking the platform. It is cool and satisfying to pull off

[@ambitiousram]

So are you preferring Samurai over Dragoon and Reaper then?

[@99_Vit]

over reaper, yes. dragoon is still my comfy job that I'll always play, and samurai feels different enough that it makes for nice variety. I'm really liking both a lot

[@NKVale]

@@99_Vitwhat did you end up disliking about reaper?

[@Jinteki39]

Thank you for validating me

[@andrewsmith3958]

But have you tried learning the way of the fist?

[@poatrykdas]

samurai is my favourite job in easier content like normals/extreme but im way too dumb to play it in savage/ultimate and do well on it

[@thenewdarling1]

*clicks the video* “Why do all white guys have a samurai sword? Is it some kind of subscription service?” (Also Vittoria’s new glam is very cute, what is the flower crown from?) Ok I will now actually watch the video lmao

[@99_Vit]

i think it's the sunflower corsage? pretty cheap on the market board

[@paz8723]

Where did you find a whole ass katana??

[@HeartabyssKoi]

A lot of hobby stores sell katanas and you can just get them online tbh

[@99_Vit]

for some reason the local mall we used to hang out at had a whole store that sold nothing but swords

[@danielc3029]

Hopefully, you will do a level 100 monk video as well. I played SAM and MNK in Endwalker, but SAM's playstyle was too similar to MNK. I would love to hear your opinion on DT MNK as well.

[@EbonySeraphim]

I was learning Samurai right when that patch change that gave you Kaeshi Setsugekka after every Midare dropped and it was amazing. I can’t say “countless” fights I had messed that up, but enough to know it would be a common problem and it’s a huge potency loss when it happens. Even worse that it wasn’t entirely obvious why you couldn’t hold it. I think the follow up for Zanshin is still “use it immediately or lose it” but that’s fine as it’s very much a burst window cooldown you’re so the intentionality around when you decide to use it is substantially higher and unique.

[@KaiTsukii]

truly

[@Triggymash]

Get viper to 100, 80-90 really doesn’t do it justice. It’s still easy at 100 but it definitely feels good

[@jeromefickers5242]

"there is a lot of thought and planning in playing sam" me, third savage tier in a row playing sam: monke do 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2 midare, DOT refresh and blasting ogis, and monke see raidwide damage, monke press third eye joke aside, sam is my fav for many reasons you talk about. I also enjoy how it's all muscle memory, your rotation is pretty much set in stone. It's very easy learn the job, it's only hard to optimize and master the fights, when you can do aditional Shinten and as many oGCDs in your party's buff windows as possible.

[@dimondblade]

Have not watched the video yet. But i am doing so be cause i want to be convinced. Samurai has been my last class to get leveled for a couple expansions now because it bores the hell out of me.

[@dimondblade]

Unfortunately I was not convinced. Which is fine. There are 20 other classes in the game and its ok not to like some of them. I think the free form nature of Samurais rotation is what prevents me from getting engaged with Job. Opposed to dragon with its more rigid rotation or monk managing buff and debuff uptime (have not played monk since the dawntrail rework) keeping me engaged in the class during the fight.

[@byronsaucedo436]

What's new on final other then the dlc

[@DrZlow]

Samurai is an AK-47 of melees. So simple even a child can do it. And they do!

[@C.Cer.]

SAM Main since I started with ShB. I like SAM, but I hate how simplified the Job has become. Going into optimization? there's some depth, but the amount of nuance and thinking I really need to do on this Job has never been made " this easy ". I wished... SAM gained more complexity then more Tsubame's to make Melee Uptime easier. I miss Kaiten. I even miss old Tenka Goken so I have to aim my AoE. I miss having to put some effort into dealing damage. But I don't think it stopped getting simplified since ShB. Like I still like SAM... I hate that I don't " love it " anymore.

[@ericjones5290]

Naw that three part madura was always in there, but now it’s not stocked a 2.

[@pancake7183]

I also picked up Sam after 2 expansions of Nin getting kinda stale. Two extra burst OGCD's in the 2 minute and nothing to address the pitifully boring downtime on Nin really forced me to put the job down entirely.

[@SeventyVelle]

Samurai not only gets a ranged attack, but a way to buff it. Why can't monk shoot a damn ki blast or something

[@frenchy4915]

Personally I find it super rewarding getting my six sided kick ability usage at the perfect time and not dropping up time

[@taquitoboy3171]

I have a weakness for samurai class.. and elezens

[@dalecolver7150]

i can see what you mean with the extra range but i still feel like ninja is the melee king for range still

[@99_Vit]

ninjas range is really nice when it lines up well but it's only really during burst

[@GoatOfWar]

Meanwhile Vpr's are just tossing out uncoils any time there's some forced downtime.

[@leighg9o]

Rule of thumb 15 seconds left on higabana stop comboing and meyiko

[@skilletus7334]

Damn dude. Put that away before you poke an eye out 😂😂😂

[@phreak9263]

I mean Viper seems just as flexible as Samurai with Uncoiled Fury and very few positionals.

[@tonybreeden863]

Lol viper has the most positionals in the game

[@elusivejumper]

SAM hitting Midare from the Moon and me, a poor DRG player, getting upset with the stupid 3y on Starcross...

[@filly1153]

Share the glam uwu I like the armor!

[@99_Vit]

@@filly1153 it’s the new crafted top and the woodland wardens (store set) set for the pants and hands

[@user-uv4wn2xx7o]

Samurai is so good, they tried to make monk like it but failed miserably

[@DrZlow]

what?

[@user-uv4wn2xx7o]

@@DrZlow Samurai is so good, they tried to make monk like it but failed miserably

[@DrZlow]

@@user-uv4wn2xx7o what?

[@Fain255]

I AM A SURGEON

[@renegateoffunk]

What a massive disappointment watching you play SAM now. For somebody that has main NIN a truly hard-to-master melee job, especially in Ultimates, and even worse, after you did that very accurate jobs tier list video, now you main one of the most dull, boring, overbuffed, and cheap jobs in the game? Whats next? SMN?, so you can totally shut down your brain?. Sad, very sad, just when I thought I found a good FFXIV content creator.

[@SekiYuriFFXIV]

Chat he doesn't know that SAM is one of the hardest melees to optimize.

[@Eric-ih5mb]

Bro the only reason to play Nin is because you havent bought Dawntrail yet and unlocked the superior scouting job.

[@alaskanparadise]

LMAO is this comment ironic i cant tell if hes the bait master or mentally 12 years old

[@muchhorrorsuchwow]

Holy ragebait batman. I like nin, but damn.

[@DrZlow]

@@SekiYuriFFXIV that is simply not true at all xD

[@DrZlow]

Saying that a melee with no utility with a completely linear and set in stone rotation is THE MOST interesting is the biggest load of bullshit i have probably ever heard on the internet. I sincerely believe that Samurai is the most boring of the bunch BY FAR. Even reaper has it's moments of fun opti in ultimates. Solely because it is a builder-spender job. But samurai? Such heresy... yes it is an "agree to disagree" moment but still i am kinda upset and disappointed.

[@tyhjyys]

it's ok to be upset. just keep on applying death's design, the most interesting action in the game, on your most interesting job, reaper.

[@DrZlow]

@@tyhjyys oh i don't play reaper much. Don't know what gave you that idea :)

[@tyhjyys]

@@DrZlowyou also don't play samurai either so 😂

[@DrZlow]

@@tyhjyys i dabble here and there. I am definitely more familiar with SAM than with RPR.

[@tyhjyys]

@@DrZlow so what exactly is the most interesting melee job then? complaining about rotation rigidity in ff14 is like preaching to the choir and party utility buttons are inconsistent across different jobs. it's kind of a stacked job, dude