Lex Fridman on Trump Derangement Syndrome

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[@oO-_-_-_-Oo]

MSM is largely to blame

[@TheDanielLivingston]

Who watches MSM? We the American people do. (MSM includes Fox, by the way). This is partially a self-inflicted wound.

[@oO-_-_-_-Oo]

@@TheDanielLivingston Then someone asks you the question of whether you heard about operation mockingbird and 💥 kaboom goes the mind

[@gingerbill128]

I am from the UK and my online 'friend' from Germany so its not even anything to do with us , one day my 'friend ' mentioned Trump and was furious , he said something ridiculous about Trump and i said " i think Trumps an arse but thats not true " he screamed at me and logged out and never spoke to me again . I had known him for 10 years and was very confused , i asked his friends what the hell happened and they said he had TDS and had gone deep into a rabbit hole recently. Still cant believe he never spoke to me again , he was a nice calm guy who never got angry and had never mentioned it before. Over those 10 years i had spoke to him more than anyone else and not once in those 10 years had we ever mentioned politics other than joking about brexit.

[@quintrankid8045]

You're not the only person this has happened to. I lost a friend. A vlogger I watch, who I think has TDS, told a story about how he rejected a friend. I know a guy who lost a friend and he told me about two other people who lost friends. And now you. The friendships I had heard of before your story probably had an average length of around 20 years. What confuses me the most about this, is that they won and they're even more angry after winning. I've heard various reasons about this. One is that people with TDS fear that the election wasn't quite right and they actually lost. Another is that Trump opponents are so authoritarian that they can't tolerate alternative views. I find that people who get angry about things like this know they don't have a cogent argument and so they lash out since most people won't respond and they can feel like they won. But the level of anger that I've seen seems too extreme to make those explanations satisfactory. It's bewildering and rather sad.

[@3halfshadows]

It seems common for lefties to cut off ties with people who show any signs of being conservative. Trump is just the most obvious example. It's like a religion, someone disagreeing isn't just someone with a different opinions, they are a heretic and you have to show your righteousness and pureness by outcasting them. People on the right think people on the left are wrong, people on the left think people on the right are evil.

[@SusanHopkinson]

Anger and indignation create a dopamine rush. People who repeatedly do things they claim not to like are feeding off this hormonal hit. This is why it’s not rational. It’s no different to gaming or gambling.

[@harborwolf22]

You know what's not rational? Ignoring facts and instead, listening to a fucking reality TV con man for all of your news. All Trump does is lie... This isn't a fucking debate. He lies constantly, and people like you pretend like he's not lying... Yeah, that's frustrating to people with brains, who can think and stuff.

[@tomharner83]

This makes SO MUCH sense!

[@KinseiSensei]

Lex is so good at calling his guests out without calling his guests out. Bravo. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@user-xn2wg2oe7s]

I think it's primarily a form of intellectual dishonesty where an individual who has already made up their mind, chooses their favorite take and essentially backfills/cherrypicks arguments in attempt to construct a rational explanation, hoping to make the perspective they embrace appear like it wasn't a forgone conclusion.

[@haniamritdas4725]

Haha I imagined you were asking this question of Sam Harris 🤣 Would love to see that.

[@Boredasfuck29]

I would really love to see that, or see Harris questioned about his statements of late by someone who won't softball him.

[@TheOlzee]

Meh Sam is a soy boy who didn’t have a dad raise him, mother only. That’s why he hates trump. Hits too deep

[@haniamritdas4725]

@@Boredasfuck29 okay but "derangement" isn't usually very responsive to external conditions ... I guess that's what makes it especially fascinating in his case. No doubt that it would be entertaining either way.

[@haniamritdas4725]

@@TheOlzee this reminds me now of Stranger in a Strange Land; I laugh only because it is painful to watch. Also now Rumsfeld: _We enter life with the parents we have, not the ones we might wish for_ Damned poignant place to land when the topic was irrational political hatred but maybe Heinlein was right...

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

He doesn’t have that lmao. He just says trump is a pathological liar that almost cost us democracy. That doesn’t have to be an emotional statement? I think it’s kind of factual

[@alberg6290]

on the flip side, is it a "medical condition"when one doesn't acknowledge any failing on their "side"?

[@joerobertson795]

Watching thoughtful people answer a question is a far different experience than watching those who already have "the answer". The terrifying part is that most folks don't even conceive the difference between the two. (*insert fav NPC meme here*). Really enjoy your work, Thanks!

[@KL-nm6nl]

I don't personally know the man, never been in his world, but I have thru his actions over the years grown a dis-like for him. That being said I believe we dwell on him to much, the problems of America are greater than anyone man. We should stop the incessant drivel of politics and start talking to one another as citizens of a "could be" great country. Lets focus on fixing our problems instead of blaming others. Thanks Kelly. PS Love your podcast!

[@EP10051]

Great topic!!! No ones addressed it in this way 🔥

[@courtingdeath3364]

Funny thing, the people who like and hate trump are both for the most part, a mirror image of each other. So disturbingly obsessed and willing to let it affect actual relationships over petty politics. For that reason alone is why I feel like the guy was just bad news. Then again someone had to report that news which brings us to the fourth estate. Always the underlying problem.

[@jeremiahcherry5283]

Nah, anti Trumpers are far worse. Trump was never a “bad guy” if you truly gobbled that up, you were blindly force fed a narrative by MSM.

[@tytyterrell]

Can we please, for the future of our children, not vote people into office which have little future left? If 35 is the minimum age to be president than 65 should be the maximum age at the very most

[@quintrankid8045]

What is the text of the Amendment that you'd have to propose?

[@clifcody]

Love your show!

[@harukrentz435]

4 years of Trump presidency was the most peaceful period the world have seen in the 21st century so far.

[@jessewest2109]

God bless Lex!

[@happymood888]

It's jealousy it's easy as that

[@SameAsAnyOtherStranger]

Flatscreen emanations number one addicting quality is tension. Look at all the comedy that is based on tense situations. Game shows are about the tension to perform or the outcome of random chance. Drama is almost all tension. Social media is fraught with tension. From just posting personal perspective in hopes of affirmation of one's ability to speak sensibly to heated interactions about subjects that the general population only has a vague notion of the reality of. All of this tension is derangement. There is no need to feel tense about any flatscreen emanations, but it does create tension. Trump is just a stereotypical person who only knows life to be tension. In a culture that propagates so much tension, he laid bare the utility and thereby the futility of tension. The world is suffering from derangement because in moments mistaken for repose, it engages is escalating tension.

[@jessemccall4160]

It is the raw energy of passion....it is neutral & strong. Weather it is channeled in to love or hate depends on the person channeling the raw power of passion.

[@goochipoochie]

It is raw energy of retardation

[@jessemccall4160]

@@goochipoochie No doubt...wtff happened to that generation!? Scary they are eventuality going to be running the entire show someday!

[@jessemccall4160]

@p¡nned by Lex Clips Wowishness of the Lexiverse!👽👾🤖

[@michaeloswald1192]

Wow.....later.

[@hgservices5572]

Trump derangement is real I’ve straight up witnessed the symptoms and reactions outright on many occasions

[@rhammond2152]

You had this to some extent in the 1930s....after the arrival of FDR. I would suggest today that even CNN-Derangement Syndrome exists.

[@Tom-dv6ei]

Its your media's fault

[@nanuk5243]

This is the qualifications of politicians, 4th class cyndrom 😀 Is maximum capacity to listen to criticism.

[@Xo1ot1]

What makes anyone think that an extreme reaction to an extreme person behaving in extreme ways is not only understandable, but natural?

[@elise9537]

ppl see and feel what he sees when he looks and listens to Kanye

[@juicebox853]

Gee, why would anyone hate trump?

[@user-xn2wg2oe7s]

Orangephobia

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

Because they consume excessive amounts of soi

[@griffincontracting]

Lol, that "angry useless energy" got him voted out of office. I think people just like to put names on things, so they are easier to brush off.

[@itkojecockot]

no, what got him voted out was mainstream media machinery, with its 24/7 smear campaign..... Biden isn't a better president not even in the slightest and yet, gets nowhere near the flack..... which only proves "TDS" exists, because it's not based on hatred, but mostly on bias

[@drea7421]

@@itkojecockot You are the angry, useless person, the video is about.

[@itkojecockot]

@@drea7421 no, if you look closer, you find it's actually you

[@eliassanchez420wakenbake]

I work for the gov. It was mass voter fraud but yea that tard energy sure helped

[@MatteoPrezioso]

That's not the point of 'hatred' towards Donald Trump, it's really about being honest, brutally honest actually towards someone quite evident.

[@quintrankid8045]

What do all those brutally honest people gain? Do they think Donald cares?

[@MatteoPrezioso]

@@quintrankid8045 To say (and think) you missed the point it’s such an understatement. And such a waste of time, too. Let’s face it.

[@courtingdeath3364]

@@MatteoPrezioso Your response encapsulates exactly what is wrong with you people and politics. Same with people on the right who have a deep hate for Obama and think he is part of some cabal. "Oh he is just the devil", "It is evident, no need to elaborate", or any other foolish conjecture about him being a threat to what we hold dear. Bruh, get off the cool aid. There is no "point" to miss. You just don't like the dude and I don't either.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

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