LG G4 VS S90D. Gaming visual differences. Why the price difference is noticeable.

[@ehenningsen]

I have both the S90C and S95D. I was absolutely shocked at how much better the S95D is in every way. I, too, scoffed at the S95D originally due to the Semi-matte finish. But i found that i was wrong. I see zero negative impact.

[@braden9536]

Bought one and returned it. Screw that matte coating. Unless you are fighting direct reflections, it's not worth the contrast hit.

[@ehenningsen]

@braden9536 odd. I had no contrast hit. There is probably a difference in the lighting

[@exhibitD79]

@@ehenningsen Even with ambient non-direct light it lifts the blacks on the S95D. This problem existed with semi matte screens for a long time and people said the same thing. The S95D does have amazing brightness and color though. If you enjoy your TV. That's all that matters. Everyone has preferences.

[@ehenningsen]

@exhibitD79 I'm gaming on my S90C right now, I do not see any difference in blacks from my S95D - except for from HDR range where it is significantly improved on the S95D. I'm only speaking from experience on my two sets

[@exhibitD79]

@@ehenningsen As I said, this occurs with ambient light on the screen. It's been demonstrated on a few channels already including Rtings. That doesn't make it a bad TV. It's a consideration for the lighting conditions.

[@kennethwilliams9668]

Great video. I just picked up a G4 coming from cx, for gaming.

[@tylerstirling2843]

How’s it compare? I’m planning on making the same jump.

[@danh4538]

Very nice upgrade. Enjoy!!

[@kennethwilliams9668]

@tylerstirling2843 No comparison, if your upgrading from a cx. It is night and day. I didn't think there would be a big difference because the cx is good. But next to the g4. It's trash. I'm already planing to upgrade my other cx now. Don't wait it's worth every penny.

[@mkyeny9]

@@tylerstirling2843 I did the same, from 48 in CX to 55 in G4 as pure PC monitor and in gaming I think it's a noticeable improvement. The brightness in HDR is a nice step up, and there is no more slightly muted colors in game mode with the G4 which is probably the best part. I don't think it's like a MASSIVE difference though, but I almost exclusively play in a dark room so maybe that is a factor. Either way I'm not disappointed and I like the upgrade.

[@tylerstirling2843]

@@mkyeny9 Are colors more vivid on the G4? I know game mode has been fixed, but I’m curious if colors are all around brighter and more pure with MLA. Aside from the bump in brightness, do you see any other picture quality improvements that separate it from the CX? Thank you!

[@corzabourne2101]

I unlocked 2000nits in the service menu of the s90d. It is now brighter then both the s95d and g4 for less then half the price.

[@504cool]

How? What settings did you change?

[@corzabourne2101]

@@504cool Enter SM go to EPA and change Ana Peak 1 & 2 from 682 to 1023. Then go to WB/Movie toggle ON and in an HDR Signal modify these values: Peak w. 100 (135) HM Pat Peak w. 145 HM Con Peak w. 135 HM Pat Peak w. PLUS 135

[@corzabourne2101]

@@504cool Enter SM go to EPA and change Ana Peak 1 & 2 from 682 to 1023. Then go to WB/Movie toggle ON and in an HDR Signal modify these values: Peak w. 100 (135) HM Pat Peak w. 145 HM Con Peak w. 135 HM Pat Peak w. PLUS 135

[@504cool]

@@corzabourne2101 Thanks, looking at getting one and I’d like to max it out as much as possible. Has the change been a dramatic difference?

[@corzabourne2101]

@@504cool great, it is noticeable

[@almir-lq9qw]

Fonts when you pull up TV menu on S90D look fuzzy and blurry but not on LG G4, why? something looks very wrong with your setup.

[@paulcanniff4308]

I'd suggest adding the A95L back into these comparisons because it gives a broader scope of the available TV options. And I agree that the S95D would've been a more interesting contender than the S90D because of the brighter colors which would be better competition for the G4. If you're done buying TVs this year, I'd suggest trying the S95E next year.

[@hatefulgunner]

My 55 inch s90d is much brighter than you’re showing but my panel is qd oled

[@devilladark23]

Why is that you dont like to show PICTURE SETTINGS of both tvs?

[@exhibitD79]

Watching this again i think i have picked up on something that is being confused. Dynamic tone mapping will make bright areas darker and dark area brighter. If you want to make the brighter colors on the G4 brighter, you need to use Brightness > Professional Mode > 4000 Nit container slider and set to 70-100. Test the same thing and you will see what I mean.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

A solution for brighten dark areas with DTM on on the LG is that you have to turn on fine tune dark areas in the game optimzer and toggle it to -8 or -16 depending on you're taste. This negates the over brighten dark areas with DTM on, works great.

[@consumerreview2k]

@beammeupscottsp7952 yes indeed. Do it all the time and it works like charm.

[@m-1917]

4:19 you are changing my mind. thank you for your work

[@m-1917]

9:06 this is the key point. could you provide your favorite g4 settings?

[@hasty_____y]

LG G4 boosted brightness, it’s like they’re using contrast enhancer on s90d which is so bright,vivid and colorful than your settings

[@RenatoKazuo8w]

I think he is using Dynamic Tone Mapping on the G4, in the first comparison video with GOW you can see the huge difference in this mode, with DTM turned off, the S90D is almost at the same level.

[@braden9536]

The only way the G4 is that much brighter is with DTM On, which is wildly inaccurate and destroys dark area immersion by lifting blacks a huge amount. I put a G4, S95D, and S90D side by side and the differences looked nothing like this. I don't know how you have these set up, but it ISN'T correct... and that's no surprise considering one of your other comparison videos had the G4 running with reduce blue light enabled and you didn't think twice about it. You keep yapping about detail? There should be no detail difference between these TVs when 4K gaming - the game already renders every pixel, what more does the TV need to do? Most processing is disabled in game mode anyway to get the lowest input lag. All you're seeing is DTM drastically altering how bright the scene is supposed to look. The only correct things said here are the S90D has better color, and the G4 is capable of higher (white) brightness. Want a similar stupid bright image on the Samsung? Enable Active Tone Mapping and Contrast Enhancer Low or High.

[@exhibitD79]

Dynamic tone mapping on, will make the large image area brighter. Not just highlights. It's the wrong solution here. It makes bright areas darker and dark areas brighter.

[@darrenhines7347]

You do know different tv have different processing methods ?? otherwise every tv would be exactly the same i’ve never read so much waffle in my life . Please don’t come online saying every tv looks same in game mode is the stupidest thing i’ve heard this year

[@exhibitD79]

@@braden9536 There is a difference in details comparing Sony QD Oled and Samsung QD Oled when gaming also. The TV's do processing beyond what the source is sending. This includes how they map tones using different algorithms for their panels and tuning and other image enhancements that are not user configurable. It's true this demo is not 1:1 with native HDR settings. But even then they will look different. Samsung game mode runs over saturated and over brightened out of the box. LG has the wrong color temp. You need to correct some of that at last if you want something close to the creators intent. Though when it comes to gaming, I don't think creators intent matters as much as if you like how it looks.

[@stefanandersson6750]

I must say this is a very uinformed and clueless comment. Is it you Quantum?

[@exhibitD79]

@@stefanandersson6750 hahahaha... Gold

[@TheAntifluencer]

Yo OGCOD, are you making a video discussing the somewhat surprising results at the Shootout ? I mean having the A95L win again while a bit surprising not so upsetting, but G4 coming behind even the S95D would be worth discussing about ? Hope to hear from ya.

[@Thryfte]

Great comparison. It unfortunately reinforces my decision to get the G4 this coming Black Friday. I wish the Samsung had better processing and clarity, and Dolby Vision and Audio... oh well.

[@RenatoKazuo8w]

In the video, we have the G4 using a hack with DTM to be able to show an impressive image, but unrealistic from the point of view of the game developers, while the S90D with the Contrast at 50 in this game shows that no matter the quality of the panel, the image can be very bad, with the colors overexposed, removing many details, the default Contrast value on the S90D should be around 45 for any game mode, and if HDR Tone Mapping is active, the Contrast should be around 37 so as not to kill a lot of details, this with HGiG active which is mandatory to better highlight the bright areas. A few more points, in SDR content which should be the case here, the G4 can get up to 60% brighter than the S90D. In HDR, that advantage drops considerably to below 25%, in some cases delivering similar or even darker brightness without DTM on the G4.

[@consumerreview2k]

@RenatoKazuo8w. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. It's the same thing as not wanting or caring for accuracy when watching a movie. This is not an accuracy comparison. As far as colors taking away from details goes, I think it depends on the color itself. I notice details not being as good in the colored with dtm on but in more natural tones it lg dies a rather good job preserving details. I'm not much of a fan of accuracy or creators intent. If that was what I wanted I wouldn't spend the money on tvs at this price point. These tvs arcade to adjust and tune them to really pop and shine if you so choose to. And in gaming that's where I like them set. It's a personal preference that's all. And not a single soul should tell another whether there settings are correct or incorrect. It's totally fine how you prefer your tvs settings and it's perfectly fine how I like my own. Not the biggest fan of accuracy of colors. As long as I can get that wow factor I'm happy

[@RenatoKazuo8w]

@@consumerreview2k Hi, you are absolutely right, it is a matter of preference, thank you for making me realize that and sorry for trying to impose my preferences.

[@MellstoyMemShorts]

​@@consumerreview2khello! Please compare these two TVs not in games but in movies and have poor quality.

[@milunbosiljcic]

You just made up my mind. No pressure. G4 will be. 😊

[@Thereal1-G]

Very good and honest review

[@Kivancli79]

Might as well wait till CES2025 and see what Sony announce ... the new pentonic Mediatek chips with 4x 2.1 hdmi should be introduced on the new Sony QD-oled models.

[@TheAntifluencer]

more importantly is a 83" size option for QD Oled.

[@dante19890]

Seems like you have DTM on the LG that overbrightens the dark scenes

[@consumerreview2k]

@dante19890 Hey there thank you for the comment and checking out the video. No it's not the focus of the camera. I actually wanted to concentrate the focus on the camera more so It looks more clear because the G4 kind of takes over the overall image of the 2 tvs because it's brighter. But you can clearly see at times when the S90D looks more clear then the g4 in certain situations and color. Like the intro to the game for example the blue wording of CONCRETE GENIE. It does look better and more clear there

[@dante19890]

@consumerreview2k I think I heard you say the DTM ( dynamic tone mapping) was enabled on the G4 ?

[@consumerreview2k]

@dante19890 yes it mostly is just to get overall brightness up. I can tune white and black levels solely after that to my liking after that. Really depends on what I prefer based off the game I'm playing.

[@dante19890]

@@consumerreview2k the problem with DTM on LG is it manipulates the EOTF curve (hdr version of gamma) so dark scenes and mid tones gets brighter than they should be. Its clearly visable in this video. G4 is a brighter tv, but the only thing that should be brighter in a dark scenes are the highlights., not the overall scene as a whole.

[@consumerreview2k]

@dante19890 that's the same complaint dtm has always had. But for gaming it's almost necessary to have on if you want overall brightness. You can get a little more brightness out of it outside of game mode when gaming but it doesn't provide that pop that you want when gaming. Also remember the reason why game optimizer gives you more then one way to utilize black levels along with being able to control your white levels makes it customizable all while having dtm on. So it's very flexible. Ithe g4 can get very bright while still maintaining clarity. All while being really good at maintaining details. There are times when it's obviously an issue. Like walking out of a dark tunnel with light at the end and looking completely blown out. Or looking washed out in backgrounds due to dtm on. But it's gotten at least better. Dtm is the vivid mode of tone mapping. It may not be accurate or highlights can be blown out but it's still very punchy and can give you that wow factor too.

[@LonGilford]

Just purchased 77”A95L , the up scaling is great and the picture quality is amazing 🤩! Paying 5 grand was hard but I think 🤔 it’s worth it because it’s the best TV on the planet 🌍!

[@TheBucsAnthem]

The new MLA tech from LG will never outdo color saturation from QD OLED.......IF LG used QD OLED with their MLA tech.....GAME OVER to all the other TV manufacturers.....LG has already surpassed Sony this year for motion processing with their TVs.......now LG needs to step up their color saturation with QD OLEDS.

[@consumerreview2k]

No it will not. But I have a feeling that Samsungwill develop a new processor that competes equally or better then both lg and Sony before lg does anything to stay competitive in the premium tv market.

[@playerone2629]

@@consumerreview2k Haven't you hear the news? Samsung is stopping chipset innovation and will focus on bigger screen sizes, 'cos is more profitable.🤷‍♂

[@tails21c]

G4 brightness is another level and qd oled color looks more rich

[@achinism]

The specular highlights (look at those lights/stars on the wall) are way brighter on the LG - I know S90D is dimmer than the G4 but the difference shouldn't be this stark! Are you using those in identical/comparable modes with everything else being the same?

[@consumerreview2k]

@achinism. Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means allot. Yes absolutely. I always make it even. That's why i wanted to express the fact that it has more of a wow factor in this example.

[@isaacpesina2635]

I have never heard someone say the word DETAIL more then you bro lol😂

[@alangfp]

The problem is that the 77" S90D is WOLED from LG, so it's basically a 77" C4 in a Samsung package. It's bound to be dimmer overall

[@consumerreview2k]

@alangfp Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. But the S90D 77 inch at least in the u.s. is going to be a qd oled. Not a woled

[@Thereal1-G]

Is the s90d the qdoled version or the woled?

[@MellstoyMemShorts]

Hello! Please check compare G4 and S90D for films sd and hd quality. Thanks!

[@barakoas]

On the video it looks like HDR vs SDR... also there seem to be a bad camera focus on Samsung

[@RenatoKazuo8w]

I think he is using Dynamic Tone Mapping on the G4, in the first comparison video with GOW you can see the huge difference in this mode, with DTM turned off, the S90D is almost at the same level.

[@rithveek]

Samsung S90d is a banger of a TV period, If its not updated to its latest version( since samsung nerfed it in diming and all for s95d and its upcoming oled tv lineup).

[@Jodez23]

S95D is much better match to G4 than S90D.

[@almir-lq9qw]

Uploader still can't give us reason why the S90 is out of focus. Everyone, go to 15:40, you can't even read the words off the menu options.

[@RockBandPlayer84]

The Samsung S90D is a better TV than the LG G4 for a much lower price. You have to know how to calibrate properly

[@consumerreview2k]

I do not personally calibrate my tvs. I definitely set then up to my personal preference for gaming, physical disc dvd movies, and streaming. I also do change settings depending on what game I'm playing, movies I'm watching and content I'm streaming as they all call for various settings that I personally prefer.

[@jakeola10]

to calibrate a qd-oled you need a spectrophotometer which are thousands of dollars. for a woled a $300 colorimeter is enough. samsung tv's have subpar calibration out of the box compared to sony and lg, so unless you're willing to pay someone to routinely calibrate your tv or spend thousands of dollars for the equipment yourself, you're going to get worse accuracy on samsung compared to sony and lg.

[@jordi4384]

I have both the samsung S90D and the LG C4 and they both have their pros and cons but for gamimg samsung S90D all the way.

[@matthewjones-e7f]

With the right settings the s90d kills the g4 in color. g4 has nice brightness

[@PassiveMoney1979]

omg look at the tree in the background at 14:03. the 90D is blurry as hell and all the detail is lost. massive difference

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

QD OLED is vastly superior, and way better colors,brighter colors than WOLED.

[@kamarrawlings6285]

And that’s about it

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

​@@kamarrawlings6285 better gradient with no visible color banding, unlike WOLED which is basically visible in every color. QD OLED panel is much cleaner. And that rec 2020 coverage is what makes hdr the best experience on QD OLED. it does 90%+ rec2020 against the 75% on the G4. QD OLED is the superior technology. And LG should jump aboard on it.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

QD OLED is superior tech. Better picture quality overall. Both rtings and hdtvtest confirmed it.​@@kamarrawlings6285

[@Thryfte]

Yes, it is. The problem is that it consistently looks worse in these comparison videos. (I own and love my QD oled)

[@jiffjaff9018]

How does the s90d compare to the s95c is there any advantages or is the older tv as good

[@consumerreview2k]

@jiffjaff9018 Hey thank you for the comment and checking out the video. Means allot. I personally liked the s95c better. I thought it was still brighter and better build quality and better overall picture quality. Upscaling seems similar to me. The only issue I had was the constant dropouts of the s95c in gaming on my ps5. That truly was the worse experience I ever had on a tv for that reason. But when it worked, it was an amazing tv

[@Bronco2Cj]

@@consumerreview2k Will the G4 work in a living room thats bright from natural sunlight or semi bright with the blinds closed?

[@consumerreview2k]

@Bronco2Cj I've had the g4 on with multiple ceiling lights on and it still shined through just fine in my living space situation so I can say my experience was very good and no issues

[@Balbessskin]

Lg g4 👌

[@TheAntifluencer]

I want a 83" QD Oled with superior clarity and processing, that's the only reason I'am being hesitant on getting the G4. Will wait what happens next year, either A95M or maybe LG manages to get their hands on Blue Pholed.

[@TheAntifluencer]

But if there is no 83" QD Oled coming I think I'am just getting either the 83" G4 or 77" A95L and call it quit.

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

A95L is the best OLED you can buy right now.

[@davidrubec2759]

According to fomo, there will no pholed soon for a tv. He seems to know the industry in that way. Said recently that they can do it now...if you want your rv to last 6 weeks. It's just not close. In fact, it might be 2028 before that happens with a tv and will be in smaller decices first, most likely.

[@Seba-hl3wx]

Only the Samsung S90D in size 64 inches, specifically with the marking QE65S90DAT, has a QD-oled matrix. Unless it's different in the American market if you come from there, because I'm from Europe. The 64-inch size also has a regular OLED matrix, but with a different marking. I have the opportunity to buy such a TV with a QD-OLED matrix, but I wonder how reliable your video is. If it turns out that your TV has a QD-oled matrix, I don't want to buy it after seeing what you show here. And if it turns out that your S90D TV has a regular Oled matrix, I will be happy. Because that would mean that the one I can buy will be brighter than yours. In your video, the S90D is so dark that I don't feel like spending half the money on such equipment. Watching such a darkened image is not a nice thing, and the colors are probably more expressive because they are darker, not because they are more vivid, and that is the difference. This image in general is very terribly blurry. Unless the camera is distorting but that's what it looks like to me. I hope you will inspire me positively and tell me that your S90D is not QD-OLED but OLED, or that it is much better in real life. Regards, write a few words, I will be grateful.

[@Serkan23-04]

Hello, the video is unfair, the Samsung cameras are not focused and the Samsung looks blurry.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Hey buddy.😊

[@TheAntifluencer]

S90D is too dim, S95E next year might be good again if they get rid of the matte coating. However if they decide to keep it well then R.I.P to Samsung fanboys.💀

[@RenatoKazuo8w]

In SDR content, as is likely the case in this video, the LG G4 can be up to 60% brighter than the S90D; in HDR, the difference narrows dramatically, as you can see in the God of War videos. But this will only matter if you use your TV's brightness at maximum, DTM is LG's impressive hack here.

[@mordimeshita1754]

I don't know why you show all the time calibrate of Samsung it's too much red too much purple not natural color and I know LG G4 is a lot of problem the color is not good to because of filter green and yellow to make screen look more brightness the color pale 😤

[@stevensmith6445]

You LG FANBOY!! JK I'm sold....Getting the G4...😅

[@harrisongomez7970]

How is this even a comparison considering these two models are at two different price points. S90D vs C4 // S95D VS G4 would be a more proper comparison.

[@tileslasher]

Sony did an update which has destroyed my picture on my 77” A95L seriously they did a remote access and factory erased my tv and picture is now trash. I am fortunate enough to have the geek squad warranty, however it’s under Sony MFG also so have to deal with Sony first. Update trashed my baby

[@Darkii0]

You must always look at what the new update corresponds to (on the internet) before installing them on your TV

[@MISTERMASTER1234]

I have the A95L and installed the latest firmware update and this is the best picture I have ever seen in my life. No tv come close to A95L.

[@504cool]

@@MISTERMASTER1234was it improved from the previous update, if so, what are the differences?

[@504cool]

There’s an update sitting up there now I haven’t made. Trying to see if I need to wait to update, what problems did you run into?

[@tileslasher]

@@504cool Don’t do it, I’d say. My beautiful tv is now screwed. I’m lucky I bought the geek squad warranty, 1,000 bucks. Plus it’s under mfg warranty still. Will see what happens. Not cool

[@ztuber7763]

If i remember, the s95d has a max bandwidth of 40gbps while the s90d is 48. How does that 8 gbps difference affect anything?

[@JFinns]

That would not affect anything here.

[@Jodez23]

Nothing

[@giovvanieotte]

it does is uselless in pc gaming , on top of that coonect box is piece of ggarbagge and yoou wwill ssufffer of bblack outts . Forrget 144hz and fulll 444 chroma at 4k

[@spacevil]

Why the hell is the Samsung tv menu so fuzzy and blurry (16.33 min ) compare to the LG !!!!! The whole Samsung picture looks off Bro !!!! Maybe u should peel off the protective screen cover on the s90D first before u making a compare ....Wtf 😂

[@Deniskin77]

yes, it shows very well, but the lg g4 screen flickers very much, it is visible on the phone after shooting with shutter speed , eyes water after an hour of watching, the TV is not suitable for comfortable viewing, do not believe the review, everyone is silent about this problem.

[@tr4687]

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[@Deniskin77]

@@tr4687 I can show you on the video where you can see that there is a flicker on the screen, if you don't believe it, check for yourself, at my house lg g4 you get very tired of it, it's impossible to watch for a long time.

[@dwight2310]

@@Deniskin77 did it ever come to ur mind that u have a broken unit? if u see flickering in video its bc of the camera and not the tv. dont believe this guy.

[@GibzNgravy]

​@@dwight2310I was about to say I doubt this guy even has a c1 🤣

[@exscape]

All OLED TVs flicker about the same amount, but it's not PWM flicker like on almost all LCD TVs, but a tiny drop in brightness at the refresh rate. Looking at the RTINGS reviews of both these models, the flicker graphs are **literally** indistinguishable between the G4 and S90D, except for the 0% brightness graph where the S90D seems to flicker slightly more... If you can tolerate one but not the other it's either due to settings, some non-flicker-related effect or psychological.

[@jrbrawlersgaming1816]

Hes making the samsung look bad on purpose....unsubscribed.

[@N2yf]

LG BURN IN always

[@Unkounko88]

You showing s90d on your settings and they suck

[@supremetaaanxz2241]

Check the Value Electronics ShootOut to see if the G4 is better than the S95D loool. People literally make stuff up nowadays

[@paulcanniff4308]

The shootout is not the end-all authority of what is “best”. It’s hard for me to take it seriously when nobody ever wins besides Sony for the past 8 years. Seems kind of biased to say the least.

[@PokerDegen]

G4 is woled, doesnt compare to the s90d.

[@jeffleigh3747]

@braden9536 I think this is one of the rudest comments, ever. We are so lucky to have these guys doing this for us. ogcod always repeats "in my opinion" so why attack him so rudely. I have a 77"G4 but im never offended when KZbinrs say other tvs are better in certain areas. Dont we want them to be honest in their reviews! Thats how we get help making our purchase decisions. I think you should revisit your comment below and may e reword it and still make your point. ogcod is one of the top tv/game reviewer's. Thanks for your time, ogcod, top man. Until next time ❤️

[@jkl89966]

Color looks different. Not sure what you mean by clarity. Just having a brighter image isn't going to look good. If you can show more footage from different games that will help. I own s90d