LGBTQ Queens, Princesses & Duchesses

Happy Pride! 🏳️‍🌈 Through most of history homosexuality and gender non-conformity were met with misunderstanding and intolerance. And while men in power had some modicum of freedom to pursue their own desires, women’s sexuality and identity was much more tightly controlled. Lesbian relationships were conducted in secret or explained as “intense friendships”. And women who didn’t conform to traditional gender politics were puzzled over and vilified. Here are the stories of 8 royal and noble women from history whose sexuality and/or identity went against the grain:
Crown Princess Sun-bin Bong of Joseon
Duchess Margaret of Parma
Queen Christina of Sweden
Duchess Hortense Mancini
Queen Anne of Great Britain
Princess Isabella of Bourbon-Parma
Duchess Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo
Princess Abigail Kawānanakoa of Hawaii
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[@jesse85]

I love seeing women like me throughout history

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

This video is very disappointing since there is very little evidence for many of these (the ones I know more about in any case) and their channel usually is better in historical accuracy. In any case you should not get too attached to any historical figure or narrative you hear.

[@adushack1982]

It helps to know we're not alone

[@emmidjam2307]

@@sarasamaletdin4574 that’s sad to hear! It’s always complicated to fact check things that happened so long ago and were a taboo. Which royals story did you think was untrue or at least not accurate enough?

[@AAwildeone]

I think the point should be that desire is very fluid, and the more freedom you have to explore it, the better!

[@blissinchains]

@@emmidjam2307 Anne Stuart is one in particular whom I highly doubt actually was gay.

[@Kerriangel]

“They were praised for their chasisty as neither cheated on their husbands.” So… who was going to tell them…

[@rip_pancakes442]

*just don’t tell them.*

[@xbjrrtc]

Nah, they were gal pals!

[@huntressquuen0364]

@@xbjrrtc more like BEST FRIENDS 😉

[@itzpris15634]

oh my god they were roommates

[@Alexandra_dmnti]

They are just VERY close friends-roomates. That's all.

[@meihalo]

"Her intellect is as striking as her body." DAMN THAT WAS SMOOTH AF THOUGH-

[@whippethacreem7299]

DAAAAAAAAAMN

[@foodiemmdk]

Wooooo damn

[@rocky-jy5nx]

Wow so good🙄😒

[@rickashley4118]

Agree she Knew how to flirt 😂

[@niamhy5941]

WHO WAS IT DESCRIBING NVM IT WWD CHRISTINA

[@alexv3357]

I want to grow up to be a woman the Pope describes as "a queen without a country, a Christian without faith, and woman without shame."

[@wareforcoin5780]

Sounds like a tattoo I wouldn't mind having.

[@najelambutthemstandsformessy]

first statement made me think it was a compliment for a sec lol

[@wiktorkowalkowska]

Go queen

[@renlvshamilton]

Tell me why I rapped that I watch to much Hamilton songs

[@ummesaima_18]

I’m going by that except I’m Muslim

[@ricepaddymaddie]

History will say “they were roommates”

[@AAwildeone]

Ha!

[@dhaliazaid4479]

Please this is so accurate 😩😂

[@neilnova2062]

"Omg they were roommates"

[@sunnybeach103]

Clearly it doesn't. Obviously everyone has access to learn this. Most ppl don't care about history so if course ppl will make up excuses. Ppl have always been selfish, all sexual immoral acts are selfish.

[@AAwildeone]

@@sunnybeach103 A reading from the holy book of Fuckovvv...

[@teriyakiprinces1312]

Not gonna lie, Louisa marrying her lover on her deathbed to make sure she lived her life in comfort brought tears to my eyes...

[@ashcole4122]

Yeah :(

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

Not to dampen this, but it’s Luisa, no “o”

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

Right? It's bittersweet.

[@violetyg2626]

@@Edmonton-of2ec don’t think she’s alive enough to care

[@maddie-yt2qn]

same, :( imagine finally being able to marry the love of your life and them dying 11 hours later just breaks my heart

[@sylvieshuu]

Royals: *educate a girl* The girl: *does well* Royals: how odd

[@stargametub911]

No comment ?😊

[@BritishMotherfucker]

Yeah-

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

"What is this magic? She must be a witch!"

[@ninab.4540]

Rich people: *pick up war urchins as their wards* Ward: *does better than blood heirs* Rich people: How dare

[@Sleepy_cherry]

pretty much

[@TnkTea06]

Historian be like: " they were close friends, VERY close friends"

[@kazimohammedamanurrahman1050]

Hamilton and laurens be like :🙄🙄

[@french_fries_1]

So true 😆

[@shrutikumar4183]

@@french_fries_1 n

[@WiseAngelUK]

Close companions and confidants

[@maddy4908]

they were lifelong roommates with a close friendship. even though they were aristocratic, they could only afford ONE bed in their mansion 😱

[@rynthorn1551]

Imaging educating a single woman and being impressed by her intellect only to assume that it was her personal inherent nature as opposed to her education that made her "not like other girls".

[@LoneWulf278]

😂

[@--enyo--]

I think Kristina’s case went a fair way beyond that.

[@theGhostSteward]

Well, in some eras people though profession was hereditary (by blood)...

[@lorinpeters3697]

I was thinking that 💀💀

[@Leelz247]

"Neither of them were interested in cheating on their husbands...with men." Well no s***! 😆

[@idiotically-everything]

Who needs a man when you have a lady's love :3

[@morley364]

Life hack to being a pure wife who ignores all men: be a lesbian

[@daikon267]

Love how yall glorifying cheating

[@morley364]

@@daikon267 Ehh I'm not big on cheating when you and your spouse have agreed to be monogamous and you can leave the relationship when you choose. But in a lot of these situations, the relationships were business/political transactions or would have serious consequences if a person tried to leave. And the men in the relationship would frequently have, or were even expected to have, relationships with other women. They weren't monogamous. And some knew about their wives' relationships and didn't care. So I don't consider it to be a betrayal in the same way.

[@chikiexx6587]

@@daikon267 they were forced to marry tbo

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

“she slept only 3-4 hours a night” Me: *Wants to keep sleeping after sleeping for 9 hours.*

[@charlesedwardstuart1699]

😴

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

@@charlesedwardstuart1699 Are you making fun of me!?

[@LogBarc]

I sleep all day

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

@@LogBarc I wish I could be like that.

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

@@zoezhang5413 Hello Zoe! How are you?

[@twilight-princess240]

As a Korean American, it makes me feel happy that my birth nation's history is talked about. The crown princess of Joseon was known as Lady Bong, daughter of Bong Ryeo before she entered court (as that was her last name and therefore the name of the clan she came from, the second part refers to who her father was), and only after she married was she called Sun-bin Bong (her full title before her demotion was Crown Princess Sun of the Haeum Bong clan). She was the second wife of Munjong of Joseon, the immediate successor to his famous father Sejong the Great (who is still revered in South Korea today), and after she was demoted (EDIT: the official decree for her demotion doesn't mention anything about her sleeping with her maid, only that she sent palace supplies to her birth family and that she received visitors without her husband knowing) and banished (she's not the only woman demoted and banished for one reason or another in Korean history; her predecessor, Crown Princess Hwi of the Old Andong Kim Clan met the same fate for practicing witchcraft and was known as Deposed Consort Kim from that point on. There have been many women demoted and banished from the royal family for different reasons and not honored with posthumous names), it was his third official wife, Queen Hyeondeok of the Andong Kwon clan (we don't know her real name too; she was, like all women of her time, only known as Lady Kwon, daughter of Kwon Jeon before becoming queen), who was the mother of his heir and immediate successor, Danjong of Joseon. Aside from marrying three times, Munjong of Joseon had multiple concubines just for producing a male heir, like many, if not all, kings of Joseon and previous dynasties (the three queens regnant during the Silla period never married) did. Almost all the time, the previous king had to be succeeded by a son, even if the son was born to a concubine (EDIT: the female hierarchy in terms of wives and concubines of a king goes as follows: Queen, Royal Noble Consort, Royal Consort, Consort, and Court Lady) and therefore technically illegitimate (EDIT: they still had inheritance rights, and some kings were the sons of royal noble consorts, but it was preferable that a king be succeeded by a son born to his official wife), so one could argue that these succession laws were harsher than even Salic law in the West. The patriarchy was very strong in Korea during the Joseon days; even noblewomen were usually referred as Lady and their last name, no first names given, and also as their fathers' daughters. We also only know queens by that kind of reference, the names they received when they entered court, and their posthumous names (if they were ever given one), which are the names we know them by today. There are a few exceptions to women being mostly unknown aside from their names, the names of their children, and such, including Shin Saimdang, but even the few exceptions were mostly yangban or upper-class (EDIT: they were two separate classes with yangban ranked lower than nobles in the social ladder). Women also retained their maiden names even after marriage, because although they left their birth families for good after getting married, they were still viewed, to a degree, as outsiders to the families of their husbands (EDIT: The patriarchy in Joseon was considerably stronger than in previous dynasties. Women had more rights in those days, including inheritance rights, not to mention Silla had three queens regnant. There's also been one instance of female-to-female succession, where the first of the three queens regnant was succeeded by her cousin, who became Silla's second queen regnant. Women definitely had more rights in the older dynasties than in Joseon, that's for sure, especially if female-to-female succession happened at least once.). Yeah, I came from a country where one could argue that the patriarchy was much stronger than even the West. I talked a lot, but I can't help but go into a tangent whenever Korean history comes up and I know a lot about the period described.

[@Leonicles]

Fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to write this comment!

[@teacuptoe2143]

Thank you so much for all this information! Korean history is very mysterious to us westerners, even with the internet. Are there any published books that feature this LGBT information regarding Korea's history? I would love to add them to my collection.

[@teacuptoe2143]

You need your own historical KZbin videos 🥰🥰

[@lottie1144]

The west, mainly white people are masochistic- don’t feel proud of that, it’s not a high point in our history.

[@LadyCoyKoi]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge of your country. 🥰 Very interesting facts about how Korean names are written. In Cuba, even a decade after the Communist Revolution, people had to write the full name which included first followed by grandparents maiden names, followed with parents last name and then the name of the husband or person you married. It was a long held old world European tradition to state your heritage through the last names. If it were really practiced hardcore, which isn't today thankfully, I would have an interesting signature that included last names from Spain, China, Mexico, Croatia, Germany, Ireland and even either Sierra Leon or Nigeria. 😱 More difficult still would be to pronounce each one. It'll be a tremendous tongue twister game indeed. Anyways thank you again for your lessons and sharing your knowledge. Very little is known of Korean history (not that many documentaries on the country as other Asian nations do).

[@brettlarch8050]

Next time some homophobe tries to tell you that you’re going against the religion: Tell them to research king james who had a Bible named after him.

[@jeandehuit5385]

It's named after him b/c he commissioned it. While ample evidence exists for James' homosexuality, I'm not sure *he* understood that part of himself as being in-accordance w/ his Christianity. If he *did* it would likely be an exception extending only to himself due to his status as a royal & God's 'chosen representative' of Scotland & England. I'm not *saying* he was a hypocrite, but I don't think he'd be too supportive of any LGBTQ+ person besides himself & his boyfriends.

[@victoriasmith2630]

there are tons of hypocrisy in the bible. theft, murder of children and women etc etc etc.

[@blissinchains]

James who was nuts for witch trials and spreading smallpox to indigenous peoples with blankets? Oh, I see. Such an ICON.

[@AAwildeone]

The ONLY thing that mattered was that there was issue to inherit titles...literally NOTHING else mattered! That's why sexual behaviour was a class/caste issue for so long...the aristocracy could do as it pleased, while the lower classes were constrained by laws from up above.

[@stephanienewhouse2056]

@@brettlarch8050 And it's why I'm an atheist.

[@not_quite_clarinet]

“They were presented as extreme friendships” *r/SapphoAndHerFriend intensifies*

[@okiedokie2840]

yessss

[@jesusacarla4980]

History: they are really close friends

[@BritishMotherfucker]

Lmao

[@junipest9291]

"She got married to her 3rd cousin twice removed and they were very unhappy together. But, her relationship with her good friend Sarah was unmatched." Literally all of these stories wrapped up into two sentences.

[@BritishMotherfucker]

I- That’s true

[@ninab.4540]

I mean blood can't be fooled. Despite society allowing cousin humping over homosexuality (which is healthier according to nature) it was still gross deep down

[@junipest9291]

@@ninab.4540 i cant tell if you're being homophobic or what

[@whippethacreem7299]

Father: What's more important, your own child, or some common poet! Margaret: Poet. * Moves out * Husband: She didn't even think about it.

[@spilledgenderfluid35]

She got some good priorities

[@rue2599]

They forced her to have that child; she didn't consent to it.

[@dacringeyfangirl]

The first one kinda makes me wanna write a story that takes place in an ancient east-Asian inspired world where the king has many concubines and among those concubines is the queen’s childhood best friend who she had a crush on so they go and have a relationship and then later on in the story it’s found out that the king only had the concubines around as kind of a reputation thing(huge harem makes him seem more powerful) and that he’s been sleeping around with soldier recruits

[@ieatbutterflies7401]

Write a book Please

[@booktales1687]

Girls of Paper and Fire is kinda in the vain of your comment if anyone’s interested

[@madamemystery4256]

@@booktales1687 it kinda is but different. It's a really good book that I've loved reading but it's definitely not a romantic view of the king. Which is good. He's horrible. Also hey. Someone else who likes thise stories!

[@abbythoreson5933]

Do it I recommend Ao3 if you feel like posting it online Or you could publish it Please tell me if you do write it and share it

[@multifandommess273]

OMG YES

[@--enyo--]

12:45 Actually Kristina emphatically thought of herself as a king. This is a pretty well known fact. She considered queens to be merely the wives on kings, whereas kings were rulers in their own right. Whether or not she identified as male or female aside, she identified herself as a king.

[@sophiameurling7160]

yes! in school we’re taught that she was called *king* kristina

[@Anonymous99816]

you also know Queen Elizabeth was known as "King Elizabeth" and her successor, James VI of Scotland was known as "Queen James"

[@bive4167]

​@@Anonymous99816 what? Why?

[@thenablade858]

@@bive4167 James was mocked by the general public because he was considered more feminine and less warlike than his predecessor. ‘Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen’ although James was not as unpopular as people think.

[@thenablade858]

She did call herself a King because that was seen as the correct term for a female ruler in many countries. Female rulers were uncommon, and ‘Queen’ usually referred to the wife or mother of a King. Queen Jadwiga of Poland was also called a ‘King’ but Christina also called herself a Queen numerous times. Example: She referred to herself as Queen in letters even after her abdication.

[@raytorosboob]

“her intellect was as striking as her body” DAAAMN

[@bensophin]

smooth like butter

[@lexiwexiwoo]

4:53: Margaret really said "There's your heir AND a spare...well an heir anyway. I'm done, peace out, no sex again with this man. Thank you."

[@EML441]

Can you do more Asian royalty videos? We spend a lot of time in Europe!

[@cinnow]

I agree. There were many lesbian relationships in the harems of the great Mughal emperors of India.

[@archraskal]

Lindsay's expertise is in European history. If you don't like it, go try to find what you're looking for somewhere else.

[@EML441]

@@archraskal she has done a couple that are not centered in Europe. One was a Sultana and another was an empress of China. I appreciate and respect her vast knowledge of Europe and its royals. However, I enjoyed her branched out videos just as much and would like to see more of those.

[@tiareynolds9958]

And African royalty ☝🏾

[@cinnow]

@@archraskalLindsay's a superficial expertise compared to other people on KZbin.So I will look for other experts on Asia, Africa and Europe, and hopefully they won't have her grating accent.

[@sensen4161]

As a queer Korean, i didn't know about the first one, and hearing and learning about this made me so happy. I've never Known any openly LGBTQ person in Korean history, so this was fun. Thank you ❤

[@yourstepdad1632]

Do you like men?

[@barbiebarbie1813]

1:06, 2:31, 2.18. This is the Chinese clothing (Hanfu). It is officials in the Ming Dynasty in China. It is not from Korea. It was not until the Ming Dynasty of China that senior Korean personnel could wear the clothes of Chinese officials and the clothes presented by Chinese officials. 98%of Koreans still wore white clothes and women's nipples. Koreans have been called "white clothes nation" since ancient times. Korean traditional national costumes (Hanbok) are pure white (no patterns and dyeing). Korean women's clothing exposes their nipples. . This scripture has more than 2,000 years of historical records. Now that Koreans are doing fake history. They are directly plagiarized in Chinese history, culture, and Chinese martial arts TV drama elements. This is obviously a fake video. Not to mention China and Japan. Make a fake Korean history and culture.

[@jgr7487]

and mind you that her crime wasn't being with another woman, but being with a woman *of lower rank*.

[@wolpertinger85]

​@@yourstepdad1632does it matter?

[@dee-tx5jd]

Queen Christina was dope AF. Of course they had to exhune her to see, if she was at least partially a man. In their mind, no woman could ever be like her.

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

I mean… Catherine the Great? Elizabeth I? Maria Theresa? Very successful and powerful women in their own rights, all of whom were well read, quite worldly and whom all died on their thrones, unlike Christina

[@decentgrocerybag4003]

@@Edmonton-of2ec All women were icons in their own rights. While dying on the throne shows they had great perseverence and loyalty, I admire Christina for her decision to follow her own aspirations and dreams rather than conform to something she knew she wasn’t meant to. It’s not like she left recklessly, she did make sure her cousin could take over legally.

[@displacerkatsidhe]

Contemporaries of La Domia and Margaret: "they're just great gals being pals!"

[@wolfzmusic9706]

christina could have just been a masculine woman. just bc she wore masculine clothing does not mean she’s trans.

[@JRandaII]

Apparently you know nothing of Queen Christina. If you do your research you'll understand...

[@amberlinmchugh8115]

Not every butch is dying to be a man jeez

[@clorox7402]

did anyone say that? a lot of the women in the video were butch, but only her was suspected of being trans. even then, no one is outwardly calling her a trans man, since she couldn't have known or understood the terminology and its best to respect her identity. having the thought that she may be trans is not erasing her butch-ness or being disrespectful to her. even then, several trans men (me included) are called butch women, and have our identities erased to be called just masculine women or butch lesbians. it is not common for butch women to be called trans men, on the other way.

[@wolfzmusic9706]

@@clorox7402 yeah, lindsay said that

[@wolfzmusic9706]

@@JRandaII Well Lindsay made it seem like it was just bc of her choice of clothing since she did not mention anything else that could hint towards her being trans

[@alannawatson1997]

I would love an "intense friendship"

[@philosophylover348]

😂😂😂

[@ImmortalLama-gz3zp]

😂

[@outsideaglass]

It was great to hear about the Korean and Hawaiian queer ladies - can you do more of non-western queers in general? There's gotta be more than just two royals, right! Thanks for the great video!

[@taylorswiftharrystyles]

Happy pride month to my fellow bisexuals! And everyone else of course haha 🌈🏳️‍🌈💖💜💙🏳️‍🌈🌈

[@DamnDemi]

❤❤❤🏳️‍🌈🌈🤗🤗

[@missfleming5465]

Happy pride month to you too, I came out as Pansexual 5/6 weeks ago this is the 1st pride I've celebrated since coming out.

[@taylorswiftharrystyles]

@@missfleming5465 oh lucky im still not out to my parents so I'm celebrating in the closet again this year hah

[@missfleming5465]

@@taylorswiftharrystyles Oh dear! I've nor come out to my dad yet, if my mum was still alive she would've supported me. My dad is homophobic & very set in his ways for an 81 year old. I hope one day you can come out to your parents & they accept you. Never feel pressured to come out & fo so in a safe environment.🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[@taylorswiftharrystyles]

@@missfleming5465 thank you! I just came out to my aunts who are gay and fully support me and are helping me tell my parents! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[@booksaremyonlyfriends6333]

I know you mostly focus on European monarchs but I would be very intrested in a video about Hawaii's monarchy

[@cocoaorange1]

Same here.

[@InThisEssayIWill...]

Omg yes. She got to end "they call her princess Incase Hawaii ever restores the monarchy" and I was like oh... 👁️👄👁️

[@booksaremyonlyfriends6333]

Yes. I think Hawaii should become independent again because they were taken over illegally. And they were so advanced for their time. They had coloured newspapers many many years before the rest of the world and were great at science and everything.

[@karencamp741]

Yes. I live on Oahu. I would love a video about Hawaiian Royalty

[@booksaremyonlyfriends6333]

Guys she finally made one

[@kinghenryviiiofengland4376]

I'd rather see someone with a unique personality then a boring-cold person...

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

I agree.

[@alexandermuller950]

How many wives u have killed your royal highness? 😥

[@SallyTheWolf]

Soo...which of your wife was that?

[@rip_pancakes442]

Ok

[@flowermagnolia4551]

@@SallyTheWolf I guess Catherine Howard

[@m_justnotleest]

And historians are just"and they were best friends"

[@gwenaellemendieta2815]

My spanish history teacher in la Sorbonne was a close personal friend of the Duchess of Medina Sidonia and her daughter was allowed to do her wedding in the palace of Sanlúcar de Barrameda were the archives are. My teacher was able to organise a trip with us to Sanlúcar to visit the archives and the dowager duchess, who was very nice, guided our visit

[@sophroniel]

I've always thought Christina was peak "I'm nOt LiKe oThEr giRLs" lol

[@teevee7678]

LOOOOL

[@servivo4741]

"im not like other girls,you see, im GaY"

[@stbart-uc6mo]

Hortense Mancini was a badass.

[@henryfitzroy4773]

Hello anne . I want you to meet my new wife

[@Randomlyrics-yi7sb]

@@henryfitzroy4773 henry calm down about the comments

[@elizabethofyork3987]

@@Randomlyrics-yi7sb both of you shall calm down . Ive been gone for a few minutes and yall all over the place

[@jamieyoho2310]

For real. I want a whole video about her

[@ladykatalinagray7339]

@@elizabethofyork3987 sorry mama

[@sarcasm8007]

All throughout history: "And they WERE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS!"

[@gachagirl3006]

Cool pfp

[@bano8303]

"They were best friends" "They were Roommates" "They were buddies"

[@areiaaphrodite]

Oooh I love when Lindsey covers not-so-mainstream royals like Sun-bin Bong. Plus, I always found Christina to be a rather interesting monarch. I like how she insisted on being called a King despite being a woman.

[@piaswierz1616]

Its not unheard of, Poland once had a female king, named Jadwiga.

[@inelouw]

Constitutionally, the Netherlands only has kings, so we've had three female kings between 1890 and 2013. Colloquially, we still call these women queens, but officially they were kings. Their husbands were known as princes, to emphasise that they did not have the same constitutional rights granted to kings. So Kristina's insistence on being called king could have had more to do with her right to rule than with how she saw her gender.

[@areiaaphrodite]

@@inelouw That's so interesting! Thanks for the info!

[@absarnat8182]

I love hearing about lesbian royalty. I can feel the lesbian power running through me as I watch this

[@Dolphinboi]

Do u think them cheating on their husbands with women was wrong?

[@flatsodapro]

⁠@@Dolphinboitheir “husbands” were often their cousins. they were forced into marriage. plenty of husbands cheated as well. arranged marriages are usually miserable and its not like they could simply divorce. i could keep going but i wont :)

[@Dolphinboi]

@@flatsodapro what I’m saying is if it’s ok for the women to cheat on their husbands with women then it’s ok for the husbands to cheat on their wives with men. Both is cheating

[@Scatterbrained_Watching]

Christina of Sweden makes me so happy as a queer swede who likes history. She’s really interesting, and probably the Swedish royalty I know the most of

[@gemmajackson1575]

Thank you!!! As a lesbian history nerd, it's really hard to not have a ton of talk about women in history like me. There isn't much about gay men in history class, and even way less than that about lesbians.

[@JamesSmith-pp5vp]

"Intense friendship" I think they did more than chat lmao

[@ladynoluck]

One thing about the video… there WERE concepts of being trans in Europe at the time and before Christina’s time. However, I do think there is a chance those concepts were not yet very accessible even to a queen in a time of relatively limited information spread. I think rather than trans (although being trans/nb seems fitting, too!), she may have just been butch/masculine as she herself described.

[@strawberrydragon4183]

It's nice to know that there are historical records of sapphics existing, especially royalty. I like knowing that people like me weren't completely erased from history, no matter how hard people tried

[@Dolphinboi]

You think it was ok for these women to cheat on their husbands with other women?

[@markmh835]

​@@Dolphinboi-- Nobody is asking if it is "OK." The fact is that it happened. It is wrong to force people into heterosexual marriages when that is against their nature. And it is wrong to pay hush money to a porn star for sexual encounters while your wife is pregnant back home. And we all shall see just how WRONG and CRIMINAL that is when that trial starts in a New York courtroom in April. 🎶 "Donald tRump is going to JAIL, E-I-E-I-O!" 🎶

[@huntress1013]

That was interesting though a tad incorrect. 휘빈 김씨 was not demoted because she practiced witchcraft (this is a very western take, witchcraft and witches in general) but because she used medicine to make the crown prince fall in love with her but thank you for adding a Korean princess.

[@user-yf5nc6cd8b]

Was she set up? Because i doubt there is medicine that makes you fall in love

[@meg4458]

its the same thing

[@amandaredd3057]

Louisa and Liliana's story is amazing. I had tears stinging my eyes ❤

[@juliojoseph791]

I would love a series about the crusader kings!! For example Baldwin IV the leper king ☺️

[@Kolchak_Enjoyer]

man Baldwin IV is cool

[@Hello-yq8kk]

The fact that you uploaded this during Diversity Week, Fab! This video could possibly spread awareness also the members of the Community would be honored to Watch this video! Thank you Lindsay!

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuart6255]

I never knew there was a Diversity Week! You learn something new everyday.

[@antitheticaldreamgirl]

it's pride month too

[@woolypuffin392]

Love the video, the only part I disagree with is that you hint at a few (if they lived now) likely identifying as trans. Just because a woman is more masculine or a man more feminin doesn't mean they would feel like the opposite sex.

[@aloha-8203]

do some more research about her and you might change your mind

[@UNDEFINEDpreSENCE]

@@aloha-8203 Did you not read what OP stated & actively listen to the so-called, “evidence” presented in the video? No one is arguing that she wasn’t. What folks are saying is that the evidence presented in the video isn’t credible - it’s very ignorant & misleading. They’re basically telling folks that just because a woman is masculine & a man is feminine that they must be trans. They could’ve explained it a lot better than the way they chose to do it.

[@haydenblanchard5118]

i agree, just becuase you are more keen to the traits of the opposite gender doesn’t mean you are trans.

[@georgemcgukin5576]

@@UNDEFINEDpreSENCE Well no, it’s not just about her clothes. She literally stated that she want like other girls and was a man? Also do more research outside of the video and there’s so much more evidence that gives this credit.

[@huhhuh9598]

@@georgemcgukin5576 She never stated herself that she was a man though? The only part is that she is thankfull for the manly characteristics/personality she was born with, which would translate to strenght since that was what manliness pretty much meant. She was misstaken for a boy when she was born though, and instructed to be raised as a prince, since she was the only heir of Gustav II. She has been apparently complimented for "not having the weak mind of a woman", pharaphrasing here. Kristina also states that she was happy to be born a female, altough that was because she belived it meant she escaped the bad traits that men supposedly had, such as drinking which she was against. However. There is one quote attributed to her that could imply her being agender. "Det är själen som prästvigs, inte individen, och själen har inget kön." "It's the soul that gets blessed, not the individual, and the soul has no gender." This information is taken partly from the Swedish Wiki, an archive from the Swedish Academy, and an article from Poulärhistoria.se Addendum: 1. It is also to note that reigning monarchs tended to be crowned king instead of queen. Queen was often seen as the wife of the king solely and not the female equivlant for a regent. Such was the case with Hedwig/Jedwiga, and also possibly with her sister who became the first female regent in Hungary- altough I am not sure about that, considering the word king and queen is not that different in that laungage. 2. Kristina has also been suspected of being a hermaphrodite/intersex, but this theory appears to have been prooven false.

[@lotusgal313]

Look at all these amazing women. Despite being known for it they weren’t remarked by their sexuality but by their accomplishments in history

[@cmbeadle2228]

Kind of related: I've always been fascinated with this story from a history of the late Roman Empire, in particular the marital relationships of the Emperor Valentinian I: Justina being thus bereft of her father, still continued a virgin. Some time after she became known to Severa, wife of the emperor Valentinian, and had frequent intercourse [note: not that kind of intercourse to our knowledge] with the empress, until their intimacy at length grew to such an extent that they were accustomed to bathe together. When Severa saw Justina in the bath she was greatly struck with the beauty of the virgin, and spoke of her to the emperor; saying that the daughter of Justus was so lovely a creature, and possessed of such symmetry of form, that she herself, though a woman, was altogether charmed with her. The emperor, treasuring this description by his wife in his own mind, considered with himself how he could espouse Justina, without repudiating Severa, as she had borne him Gratian, whom he had created Augustus a little while before. He accordingly framed a law, and caused it to be published throughout all the cities, by which any man was permitted to have two lawful wives. I wouldn't draw any conclusion from it, as we know little about Severa herself (Justina would become a pretty important figure in the history of early Christianity), but it does crack me up imagining two women bathing together and then one saying "hey you're hot, please marry my husband!

[@davidhibbs4737]

A video on Julie D'Aubigny would be great, speaking of LGBT icons.

[@swain-Ix1tv]

yess i would love that!

[@goshujinsama666]

Mademoiselle de Maupin is the lesbian girls’ version of Prince Charming

[@swain-Ix1tv]

bisexuals too 😍

[@Annaonesun]

I've always loved Queen Kristina. As a Swedish queer woman it was always nice to have a historical figure that most people knew of and knew that she likely wasn't a straight woman. It always felt validating. And she also just sounds like she was an incredibly interesting person.

[@habsburgsenederlanden6278]

Lindsay you should make about the von habsburg monarchs like you did with the monarchs of england

[@christiewhelan2472]

She already did :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIO2pXaXdr2psLs

[@Mej111]

I’d love to see more information on the Hawaiian royal family history!

[@purplevelociraptors3255]

Thank you for doing an LGBTQI focused video. Sometimes people don't realize that these identities have been around the whole time.

[@AwfulDog1]

Many people don’t know enough history. Anyway, you would have to be living under a rock to think people (in all walks of life over centuries) have only ever been straight.

[@jesusacarla4980]

Bc homosexuality is not really allowed or accepted before bc of the girls are for boys and boys are for girls only thing but luckily this generation is starting to accept this community🌈👌

[@bobob9969]

@@AwfulDog1 You should see how many people go insane when there's LGBTQ+ rep or poc in modern adaptions of old literature/period pieces

[@februaryamer9675]

Pre colonized Filipino is actually matriarchy. And we are also very open-minded in regards to LGBTQ++ since we have gay and lesbian gods and goddesses.

[@spilledgenderfluid35]

As a Filipino myself, I didn't know this. Thank you for sharing this!

[@bensophin]

im pinoy too, makes me sad how westernized we are :(

[@sineye7003]

Omg I’m Dutch and I learned about the whole Dutch rebellion and the role of Margareta van Parma but this is so much more interesting

[@koolaid7433]

Damn, even european monarchs had sword duels with their girl friends in the equivilent of denny's parking lots.

[@emmacrooke807]

Wow the detail in that painting of Margaret are incredible 😲 It looks more like a photograph!

[@annaselbdritt7916]

I love when you do these videos

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

I love this so much. It's great hearing about women throughout history like this. Makes me even more proud to be sapphic and be 'against the grain', because even today, there are still plenty of people who seem to treat women within the LGBTQ+ as abnormalities. Not saying that men within the LGBTQ+ don't get treated badly, but it just feels like being a queer woman isn't taken seriously. Though, it could be more of a problem with institutionalised sexism more than anything. Sorry for going on a tangent. Love this video and it's really awesome to learn about LGBTQ+ history!

[@Noodelousart123]

Thanks for videos like this, I often wonder about how things that are still fighting social stigmas today were coped with in the past. So I really love that you explained this 🤩

[@badgal1990]

another fabulous and enlightening video, thanks Lindsay! and thank you so much for your continuing coverage and support of pride. love is love!

[@amnesick3534]

I loved the entirety of this compilation. Thank you so much for including Hawaii at the end.

[@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun]

Shame I’m not on there, I wish I had a lady escort 😉

[@dollpartsgirl]

Ooooop- 😳

[@alexandermuller950]

May God bless you her majesty

[@itzpris15634]

ooohh

[@edwardviofengland8048]

You could probably have gotten that if you hadn't married Henry VIII. It wasn't his fault ( he had gone insane) but I might have granted you more liberty had you become relevant during my reign

[@Randomlyrics-yi7sb]

Hello queen kathrine

[@deathriverflowing5675]

I love your videos on historical figures because you never skip over lgbt figures like so many other people do!! It makes me feel seen for who I am!

[@melgrenier3117]

I love your LGBT+ royal videos! As a lesbian, this may be my favorite video of the series so far.yay for representation!! happy pride lovelies♥️🏳️‍🌈

[@TSR112]

If the Spain royals ratings go up will Spain still have a royal family

[@gru8205]

they stopped with the surveys over 5 years ago bc the rstings are lower than ever 🤣 i honestly dont think we'll get the third republic anytime soon though... most of us would really like to abolish monsrchy but they just dont care :/ im almost certain Leonor will be queen someday

[@zoe4299]

I always wondered where the word sapphic came from! Thank you for teaching me something new!

[@ava_ruth_wagner]

George and Ann must have been quite the power couple, both were respectful to the other and liked the same sex :D

[@tabby5228]

I wonder if Christina would still be dismissive of women not like her if she was alive today. I mean that like being in an age where women have more opportunities to show their intelligence and different personalities than they did in her time.

[@jeandehuit5385]

The crazy thing was that, Christina was technically *right,* at least with regards to her inner circle. It has nothing to do w/ any innate differences in the sexes (which are self-evidently equal), but education. Christina was the only woman in Sweden, heck, a Protestant kingdom in Northern Europe, at the time to be given basically the same education as a man--well, not only a man, but a King! And she took to that education too! Whereas the rest of her ladies-in-waiting (for lack of a better word) were educated rather poorly & in completely different subjects than Christina was. In essence, they were *made* to be unequal by their society; set up to fail, & Christina was *made* to be 'not like other girls.' Had she been given the opportunity to meet women given the same advantages that she had--*especially* during her formative years--I think she would have come to a vastly different opinion.

[@tabby5228]

I completely agree.

[@R32R38]

A recent male example was Sultan Qaboos of Oman, a much liked reformer who had ruled the country since deposing his tyrannical father in 1970. Qaboos was widely rumored to be gay, though he had had a couple of brief marriages to women, neither of which produced any heirs. When he died at the beginning of 2020 with no obvious heir, many Omanis feared that their country would descend into chaos, hardly an unlikely outcome in that part of the world. Fortunately, Qaboos had written a letter to be opened upon his death, naming a cousin as his heir. So far everything seems to be going well.

[@cmk7278]

The Act of Settlement has been updated, it no longer favours male progeny over female (if Charlotte was born before George, she would have been the heir to the throne)

[@108grog]

Finally ! THANK YOU !!! We SO need our history to come out. We need the stories of the famous and not so famous, *those diversely identified*, who added to or massively benefited society, to be told AND to be ☆¡celebrated!☆. Is there an LGBTQIA2S+ history month ? There damn well should be !

[@trobairitz8654]

As someone who has looked over the habsburgs and Holy Roman Empress Maria Theresa's reign, in my opinion I think a heterosexual relationship between Princess Isabella of Parma and Archduchess Christine of Austria as unlikely. They were however, really close friends. Isabella was depressed and had suicidal ideation and her feelings to Christine was philia. In the midst of their friendship, Christine fell in love twice, first with the Prince of Würtemburg and second with Prince Albert of Saxony. Before Isabella died, she gave advice to Christine on how to get the opportunity to marry Albert. If Isabella really had an eros love towards Christine, she might have made it vocal and not give her advice or be hopeful or in other terms, made ways to avoid a marriage between Christine and Albert. This is however my opinion.

[@elmin82]

i always think that Isabella of Parma had feelings for the archduchess , but this one saw her just as a friend

[@alexandranur5530]

Wife cheating: *tragic ending* Husband cheating: *oh well...he's a man*

[@darethefair3419]

This is actually interesting! I didn't know a lot of this information, probably because I never really looked. Good video.

[@jessrosefawkes2721]

Another amazing video Lindsay! You are the queen on you tube in my eyes! Your videos are the best!!!

[@sealyoness]

This is a lovely commentary on women through history. Only a decade or so ago I became aware that the many women in the 19th century who never married, but had a lady friend who shared house and expenses were, in fact, lesbians. Sheer prudery and fear of scandal prevented family members from outing them. It was enlightening.

[@eyelandgal]

The last bit sounds like the lawyer is trying to steal her fortune so that it doesn't go to the charities

[@nerdygal6133]

Forgot Elizabeth II. THESE are my queens!!!

[@flowermagnolia4551]

how was she lesbian she was loyal to the late prince Philip.

[@nerdygal6133]

@@flowermagnolia4551 no I didn’t mean like she was a lesbian. I meant like, “Forget any current queens I bow down to these ones”

[@flowermagnolia4551]

@@nerdygal6133 oh ok, cuz I was hella confused

[@jennigee51]

I find your videos fascinating, I absolutely love history, and you bring it to life.

[@gabriellac6134]

This is such a fascinating part of history. thanks for sharing ! Also the art was so beautiful.

[@billcordell9797]

Totally enjoyed this video. Fascinating history and important information. Thank you and keep them coming

[@emilybarclay8831]

Christina of Sweden is the wlw (possibly trans?) ace representation we deserved

[@Decgyrrl]

I need a score card to keep up with this 🤷🏿‍♀️, except for the contemporary stories. Still, a great slice of history. I won't remember all of it tmrw, but I enjoyed listening tonight👍🏽🙆🏽‍♀️

[@bensonfang1868]

A much earlier example of England's pretty much only known gay king is Edward II, father of King Edward III who started the hundred years war. Edward II married the French princess Isabella, one of the reasons his son was able to claim the French throne.

[@jeandehuit5385]

James I doesn't exist now? There's actually some convincing evidence for James' sexuality; there we have his actual letters. W/ Edward II all we have is what his political opponents said of him, & at the time suggesting he was gay would have been considered the height of slander (sad, but true). As for counter-evidence, he fathered an illegitimate child... There's even less evidence for Queen Anne, so I don't know why she's in the video.

[@MissGroves]

There's also king Richard

[@xuanzongoftang7856]

Christina of Sweden was so young when becaming queen

[@federicogerardo2988]

Can you do a video about Prince Philip's sisters Margarita, Theodora, Cecilie and Sophie? Perhaps Cecilie is the most famous but I can rarely find any information online about them, and there are almost no pictures.

[@spikych]

Love this video as usual! 😊 A suggestion though, when including people from non English speaking countries maybe you could look up how their names should be pronounced. It would improve the experience of watching your videos in my opinion, and in my experience Google translate does a good job with showing how names should be pronounced. You cover people from so many countries and you do an amazing job, and nobody has perfect pronunciation in all the world's languages, but as someone who has enjoyed at least 50 of your videos, this is an area (the only one i can think of!) that could be improved. For example, Ebba Sparre is pronounced differently than in this video. Thanks again for making great videos and I hope my suggestion doesn't offend you. 💐

[@blaisegirl420]

WOW I JUST FOUND YOU AND LOVE YOUR VIDEOS (sorry for yelling but you're awesome!)

[@mayling141]

This is so cool. Thanks for making such an informative video of 🌈 strong women in history.

[@casperl.3891]

can you please do a video on the chevalier de saint-georges, or la chevaliere d'eon?

[@JennieBlinkXoldier]

one of the best channels of all time!

[@raulrromerom]

One the best KZbin channels!

[@amandajones6481]

I thought poor Queen Anne had 18 pregnancies, but I could certainly be wrong. Was it 3 of her children who lived until they were 8 or 9 years old? I know that 2 or 3 of her children, including the boy you mention here, lived long enough for Anne to become very attached to them and she was, by all accounts, a kind and loving mother. ❤ After their deaths, Queen Anne carried with her tiny miniature paintings of her 3 children and, when Anne died, the miniature paintings were buried with her. Queen Anne's husband was an affable, kind man who had, as you said, no interest in gaining power. He just wanted to pursue his hobby of woodwork and little inventions. Queen Anne, meanwhile, became hugely obese, and many, rather unkind, people - including some of her own Ladies-in-Waiting and others at the palace - nicknamed her "Queen Ant." However, there was obviously another facet of Anne's personality that I never knew about. Re: King George I, I know a story about him and the River Thames in London, which is pronounced the 'Tems'. It's said that it used to be pronounced the same way it's spelled: the Thames - until King George I came along. George couldn't speak English and he never tried to learn much - he had no need to because he was the king and he had lots of translators and advisors to assist him. Now, in those days there was a saying: "The King is ALWAYS RIGHT"!!! And, apparently, King George I, in his difficulty with the English language, always pronounced 'The Thames River' as 'De Temms River.'

[@beththingineverhad]

The Stuarts: we're all the gay cousin

[@sindelscat9336]

Well if you go in the medieval times of England women when it came to sexuality had more freedom based on "medical" reasons

[@theholywetbread8015]

And as Historians would later go on to say they where "close friends"

[@traekas7228]

Excellent video! TY for the upload! I’ve watched similar videos, only about Hollywood Royalty. So many defensive, triggered comments of non-belief from people. Commentators “defending” the reputations of long-gone entertainers. As if the revelations of famous people’s hidden sexuality matters after one dies, or something!!!