LGR Oddware - Iomega Bernoulli Box 230 Storage Drive

One of the earliest high capacity portable storage mediums, and also one of the most reliable. The Bernoulli drive, the first product by Zip/Jaz drive creators, Iomega!
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[@djorgen104]

The Bernoulli system was a staple of the publishing industry. Every print shop and publishing house I dealt with in the 1990's had it. They were the best way to move print-ready files around at the time. Floppies were too low capacity and prone to a random failure in the stack and modems were too slow for online transfer. But when Zip drives came along, the Bernoulli drives vanished quickly, and the CDRs drove the zip drives to the dust bin. If you're still looking for Bernoulli hardware or media, publishing agencies and printing businesses might be a good place to hunt. Many of them have closets full of old tech they didn't discard.

[@smo-king6504]

Thanks for the hunting tip kind and wise stranger

[@3rdalbum]

My Dad worked in print shops during that time. I never remember seeing one of these Bernoulli drives, but the Syquest cartridge system was ubiquitous and could store 40 or 80 megabytes. Syquest was displaced by Zip and Jaz drives and then CD-Rs shortly after.

[@taitaisanchez]

i demand an oddware of Clint's cat

[@Trunks10X]

I second this

[@mooniejohnson]

But is his cat forgotten and obsolete?! (Though she is super fluffy and snuggly)

[@3therspark63]

Yeah!! Like Zeos reviewed his cat on Z review.... friggin funny

[@Kj16V]

...Entirely in the voice of Duke Nukem

[@lescitrons]

Yes

[@MaggotInfestedGod]

Bernoulli Drive sounds like some sort of faster than light driver for a spaceship.

[@nicholassternon5857]

Shaw fujikawa

[@changoelchango]

It actually sounds like some kind of electrical pasta

[@jeffreysneezos]

Ironically a spaceship couldnt use bernoulli's principle cause there is no fluid in space!

[@finonevado8891]

You're thinking of Alcubierre Drive

[@T0mN7]

"Sir, the enemy cruiser has disabled our Bernoulli drive. We can't jump to FTL!"

[@JeffreyOsb]

Please make an Oddware video about your cat so that we may better understand its inner workings.

[@2010ngojo]

+Tony Villarreal It's a she!

[@mogwopjr]

I have to give a shout out for Bernoulli disks. I have stacks of 90MB, 150MB and 230MB disks. They are all still perfectly functional and work with no issues. They are stored in the worst place possible. My garage, which has temp swings through the year from 120F to 0F. I don't think I have any other functional diskettes or magnetic media from this time frame. Even my HDD's from the same era are crap now. The Bernoulli drives and disks keep on ticking,

[@Faceplant-hl5yn]

I've got Commodore 64 floppies that still work fine

[@ergosteur]

Wow I’ve reached the stage where I am watching old LGR and I’m just as nostalgic for old LGR as for the old beige box in the video.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Love his sense of humour, it's evolved but he's got the charm alright

[@JAFOpty]

At my first job we used to have tons of data on Bernoulli, they were soon replaced by Jazz/Zip which were soon replaced by THE CLICK OF DEATH!

[@zh84]

Very interesting and the cat is adorable. Ten years or so back my brother-in-law and I were trying to install some things in an old computer on the dining room table, and my cat helped. The computer would never boot afterwards. I think fluffy cats and electronic circuits do not mix.

[@bluy59]

Key word. My kitty "helped"

[@RelativisticVelocity]

I used to use one of these in the early 90s for desktop publishing. The average hard drive was 120MB back then and having one of these external drives was a marvel. I think you need to move the SCSI ID from 0(boot) to something higher like say 5. Make sure you don't have any IRQ or DMA conflicts on the host adapter. I typically set these things to IRQ 5, DMA 3, and disabled the paralell port or move its IRQ to 7. The BIOS may also need Shadow mode turned off. Often times these things required a rubber chicken, a seance, and a few precision crafted incantations to make it all work properly. But once working and as long as you didn't change any hardware it would usually work great. BTW. you touching the floppy disk with your finger nearly killed me as I remember how expensive and fragile these things were. LOL

[@trevinbeattie4888]

This video doesn't go into any depth on what the Bernoulli principle is or why this drive uses it. When I was in college a demonstration of the drive was given in one of my classes along with a description of how it works. The disk was flexible like a floppy yet had recording densities like a hard disk. This was possible because the spinning of the disk would bring it very close to the read/write head without actually touching it. That was also supposed to make it more resilient to taking shocks, which would literally crash hard drives when the head scratched the disk surface. The presenter then proceeded to demonstrate the drive's robustness by dropping it onto the floor from about a meter high. The computer reported a drive read failure and it didn't recover. :D

[@artyomkozlov3490]

is that a metric Garfield or an imperial Garfield?

[@LGR]

There's nothing to the right of the power switch. There's a silver screw to the left of it. Now, if you mean the circular parallel port adapter input, I explained that in the video!

[@LGR]

I don't always make my videos at 3:40 AM. But when I do, they're about Bernoulli Boxes.

[@johnk7302]

I don't always drink beer but when I do it's..... the greatest man in the world

[@Michirin9801]

You know when a Floppy Disk and an NES cartridge love each other so much and have a baby? This disk is what comes out of that...

[@mcallmiles1750]

Ruko Michiharu Its more of a Neo-Geo cart size.

[@dev639]

You can duct tape the Hard drive onto the back of the cat, this way when it drops, it will be protected against a crash.

[@aikainnet]

Man I hit a video from 7 years ago. It threw me through a loop at how far your production quality has come. Props to you

[@thedanespeaks]

Why is this the only channel with nice people in the comments? Seriously. I hate youtube.

[@ProGamer1515]

Because it is not very popular and it deals with retro technology. The bratty kids can't find it which keeps the comments free from brain-dead trolls. It seems we are all mature adults here, which is a plus.

[@muhwyndham]

Ikr?? LGR comment section is a bliss and refreshing. Love it.

[@ecksdii]

+Muhammad Wyndham Haryata Permana yeah. a relief from the pewdiepie comment section *ugh*

[@akatoshslayer7599]

I have found a lot on niche channels have better people in the comment section. Part of it is definitely an age thing were younger audiences avoid them so you don't get teenage or preteen trolls, another is that the trolls in them get ignored easier as there are more Internet savvy people on such channels, and the last (and saddest) is that LGR is a guy so you don't get the disgusting creeps on the channel.

[@milesbailor5019]

anne m dont we all?

[@TheHouseOfWaffles]

I remember my uncle talking about the Bernoulli Box and explaining the Bernoulli Principle to me a few years before Iomega laid off him just because they didn't want to pay him benefits. My brother assembled ZIP drives at the factory in Roy, UT. He asked if he could take one home and have the cost taken out of his paycheck. He was told no, so he went to a NEARBY store and bought a ZIP drive which had been manufactured in the Philippines. I hadn't been assembled correctly, so he had to use his work tools to take it apart and put it back together properly. Just before its decline, Iomega shut down its primary facilities in Roy in order to move operations overseas and laid off a looooot of people. I loved my 96-megabyte ZIP "100" drive for its large-capacity removable disks, but it was a piece of crap that broke down too easily. Also, apparently Iomega didn't think the internal drives were burning up fast enough, because when my brother helped me install mine, he pointed out that it was missing the protective dust covers that had previously been part of the assembly. (By this point he no longer worked for Iomega.) As poorly managed as that company was, It's no wonder Iomega took a steep nose dive.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

56 seconds in and I've suddenly stopped caring about the drive... you need to review your kitty cat!

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Adis - Ad Whatever you say, sweetheart :D

[@bobby45512]

Adis, it's quite obvious you're 12 or younger. Please refrain from posting and making yourself look like a dense headed idiot.

[@KanawhaCountyWX]

pixel girl cats are not obsolete so Daisy does not qualify.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Obsolete Kids It could be an experiment with changing the format!

[@NucleaRaptor]

6/10 it's OK

[@LGR]

The Campfire Headphase. Though I've been listening to Tomorrow's Harvest rather endlessly as of late, it is superb!

[@LGR]

I believe it is, sir! The stuff has been serving me well.

[@MichaelDeTorres]

Bro, your videos are my guilty pleasure and I love them. Thank you for making them and sharing. Keep up the great work and take care, all the way from London, UK.

[@LGR]

Thanks, I hope you continue to enjoy!

[@MichaelDeTorres]

Always bro, you're quickly becoming one of my favourite KZbinrs.

[@ARandomFurry]

Every video that I have watched from LGR has helped me pass some of my quizes and tests in my college studies. Kinda sad that my professor couldnt cover this in a 2 hour time frame in a day!

[@iStacktheBacon]

Man the Oddware series is easily my favorite of LGR's, I was excited to see this in my feed!

[@ProtosMerkabah]

Love these oddware videos. Keep them coming!

[@InsideOutAnus]

Another great, interesting video! Been subscribed to you for years and have not once been disappointed. Thanks for all the cool videos, man!

[@Swamplord]

These are by far my favorite LGR videos, nice to see a new wonky piece of hardware! :D

[@someinterwebguy]

Looking forward to your follow up on this. I think I like your Oddware reviews best.

[@GrahamCantin]

Medium Error: Disk medium is not recognized or lacks track/sector indicators. Potentially repairable if you can find a low level format utility that will instruct the drive to rewrite the entire surface. Best bet would be finding early mac drivers for it, using those to initialize the disk; and then reformatting it from windows. Otherwise; find another disk!

[@TheKingArabia]

find what? its been 5 years man come back and tell us find what

[@sebastienmonette6659]

@@TheKingArabia software from apple's early line of computers, the Macintosh or mac for short

[@BurhanRana]

LGR in 2013. very different. I love your work dear!

[@eagleclaw006]

I love all your oddware videos!

[@LGR]

Thanks, I'm happy to hear!

[@Trygve84]

Ooooh, so nice to see more oddware. I've missed these :D

[@IShotTheCore]

Duke Nukem at IBM just made my night. You are a wonderful person.

[@kmath50]

That is correct. The first one that I saw was back in 1984. The case was made to resemble an IBM PC. The cartridges were bigger than the one shown in this video. There were not a lot of backup solutions at the time. There were a few tapes, but most folks would just use floppy discs. Tallgrass made a hard disk tape combo, but I think the tape only only backup the drive in the same case.

[@Linuxpunk81]

In my early days of being a submarine sonar tech we had a piece of equipment called the BQR-22A Spectrum Analyzer that used these for storage. It had two built in drives.

[@jaskaborner9795]

First, I love your voice. Not sure of what I'm reminded, but it's an animated (comedic) character of some sort. Second, the 98SE machine shows 3:41 AM. If that's accurate, you are one dedicated geek...and I say that as a dedicated geek.

[@TheJonathanc82]

Oh man, when I was first really getting into PCs my uncle got one of these. I always thought it was so cool and it was SCSI connected no less! Brings back the memories.

[@danijelujcic8644]

Hi LGR, I love your videos and I wish you could make more like that. Cheers and happy 2016+!

[@caioaugusto2301]

is incredible the power of music in our brains, when the video began I felt a sense of nostalgia. I remembered and this song is from sim city 3000 that I played for almost two decades!

[@Bigbacon]

man these bring back memories...I had forgotten all about these and I used to have one.

[@LGR]

I've got another one (230MB) on the way, plus I'll be messing with the settings on the SCSI card itself, so hopefully it'll be up and running eventually!

[@marcelofrau8818]

oh man.. LGR was incredible even 10 years ago.. I love to re-watch some of these videos to remember old tech.

[@Audiomancer]

Why have I missed so many of these videos? I'm subscribed:) Guess I gotta go through them manually.

[@Chrysalairus]

It's because Google Plus is fucked up and just expects you to check your g-mail and shit to see all your subscriptions being updated. Or hell, sometimes they never show up at all.

[@hackbear5668]

Read up on SCSI CDB opcodes, man. Literally, if you just read the error number sent (25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00) and looked up error 25 in an opcode table, you'd see that it's READ CAPACITY(10). If you then read a little about that specific error, you'd see it's a code that's used for looking up the capacity of the disk. If it remains unreported, or is reported incorrectly and checked against, then proven to be incorrectly reported, it gets stuck at that error. What you've got is a bad disk. ...which is also not that surprising considering the way we've all seen you play with magnetic media.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

+Sean Reeves To be honest, it's an iomega product, you could probably damage the media by looking at it the wrong way.

[@peterlamont647]

+Sean Reeves "...which is also not that surprising considering the way we've all seen you play with magnetic media." I lolled when I read that and had nightmare flashbacks of someone, I think it was LGR, taking apart a priceless irreplaceable 8" hard disk in not-even-close-to clean room conditions, no gloves, dusty open room, not even a paper face mask to make it look like an attempt at not ruining it... I was half expecting him to draw a smile face with his skin oil on the platter. (I cant find it anymore, might be taken down) If I had that drive, I'd get lexan-glass, build a box with some heppa filters and some extra large rubber gloves cut in, and a fan behind the filters for positive pressure in the chamber ...basically make a micro clean room before attempting a repair on such a rare piece of computer history...and then Id just repair a bunch of those old drives. Most of them have damage at the BAM from not being parked, and then being tossed about(BAM/DIR needs to be moved to a different location, and old BAM set to LZ, or just flagged as bad)/seized motors that need very viscous grease so it doesn't run all over the substrate from centrifugal force.

[@MoltThug]

I really like that you quoted Baxter Stockman.

[@mtritabs6114]

We had these at the Forest Service office at Clemson University in 1993-1994. They were great for moving around our large GIS files since we didn’t have a network for our DOS PCs.

[@peytonlutz1]

I cant wait til we get removable media with Cats protecting against Disk crashes..

[@JonasDAtlas]

Love how rambly he is in these older videos, it's great.

[@NinjaNezumi]

This video definitely brought up more questions than answers.

[@a3HeadedMonkey]

Nice, always like your Oddware vids. Your videos are always the right length too. Not too short, not too long. Also, random beheaded Garfield ending ftw! Wait, what...?

[@Dj3ndo]

This old stuff is awesome! Also cool SC 3000 bg music!

[@MoteofLobross]

I remember these. Few of the computers in the lab at my old college back in the 90's had these, but everyone had their own zip drive by then.

[@nelsonpoll8526]

Hey Clint, oldy but goody vid. Bonus for the cat. Keep it up. No wait, thats from 2013 so you have been keeping it up. Regardless, great vid......

[@LGR]

It certainly does interest me! I actually have one already that I hoped to review, but it does not work. If I could get a working one, I would love to make a video featuring it.

[@billlumburgh8272]

Awesome, can't wait 4 more odd ware !!!

[@MsJinkerson]

you always get the good stuff

[@basscadet75]

When I was in college, I knew some people in the graphics design program and Bernoulli disks were all they used to transport stuff around. They were the only media both big enough and safe enough to use for that at the time. The later Zip and Jazz drives (I had both!) had larger capacities but were *far* less reliable and were shunned by pros in favor of just moving towards CDRs and CDRWs, and, finally, USB and SD flash cards.

[@tripdefect87]

Probably your most intriguing oddware review yet. Couldn't believe how huge that floppy disk was that you showed at the end

[@R33Racer]

Cool video dude. I LOVE the oddware vids and the SimCity 3000 music that goes with them. =]

[@TailsFurse]

Awesome voice! It seems to be getting cooler with every video! =3

[@seanlavoie2]

The subject is very interesting, but I would love to see an updated version of this video. This video is hard to watch because it seems to ramble on. Your style has improved so much and there's probably not many other videos about this, so it might be worth while.

[@jawtheshark]

We had a Bernouilli Dual... Awesome stuff. We played all our games from them.

[@thadialator]

Man, if I come across one of those disks I will definitely send it your way. That machine is amazing.

[@santisven]

Like I always say, love the oddwhare videos!!!!!

[@drewpaschal9294]

Had one. Might still have it. Used it on my Amiga a lot. Lots of wares swaps were done!

[@pixel1358]

JEEZ! I didn't know they were so many different type of storage devices!

[@LGR]

She's shown up in several of them over the years, so chances are she will again!

[@RayF1948]

As a PC technician, I remember the Bernoulli Box. I had forgotten them, but I remember wishing I had the cash to buy one until Zip drives came out. Remember them?

[@ArcadeGames]

+RayF1948 I had a Jazz Drive, it was awesome because it could hold 1GB while my hard drive capacity was way less.

[@torquemonster290]

I have both the zip 750 and the 2GB Jaz .... I have a fascination with magneto media I suppose

[@tiporari]

I had access to one of the originals for a time as a kid. It was huge, and at the time stored a crazy amount of data. I remember playing police quest on it. Good times.

[@Towik]

This video taught me how to properly measure!

[@K3NnY_G]

Every once in a while I'm watching LGR and I see an I'76 box, or icon. Can't help but wonder why you haven't reviewed this absolutely awesome game.

[@hastypixels]

SCSI is legendarily finicky! The slightest fault in a cable will break an entire drive train. This offset how reliable and fast it was when it worked.

[@dave4shmups]

Great video! I love oddware!

[@scottgfx]

I used to use the old, bigger Bernoulli Box carts with a Dubner DSS4 Digital Still Store. (circa 1989 to 1994) If you can find one of those or a Dubner Painter system, you'll have the big Bernoulli you always wanted, and a cool Moto 68020, or 030 based graphics system.

[@ddew]

I'll be damned, where have you been my whole life? :P Screwing around and showing off hardware I grew up with, namedropping TMNT chars while doing a perfect "DNF" era Duke.This whole playlist is like mainlining pure uncut nostalgia, I've owned (or at least spent many hours using) like 17 of these. Without my uncle and hacking suff like this I'd probably become a teen footballer or some other crap.;) FWIW I've seen that error on other Beta drives and I'm thinking the disc is demagged and has lost the "partition table"/boot sector/first blocks with the disk geometry on them. It's dead Jim. Anyways, cheers for that massive trip down memory lane.

[@LGR]

Haha, well I'm glad you found me! Glad you're enjoying the vids :)

[@ddew]

Well you know how the "retro" stuff on YT tends to be. It's mostly emulating classic games or making the same jokes mocking the Olden Days as everyone else. I half expected you to go for the "Hmm, let's crank up the volts and see how tough it is" route and I'm glad you didn't. The 1980-90's was when home computers,PC-gaming got their start and the "artifacts" from that era are more like antiques than some garage sale junk and deserve more respect than most game "journos"and millenial hipsters on here can be bothered with. ;)

[@subalpine-fir]

Your narration has certainly come a long way since 2013

[@spiderjerusalem100]

Cool beans, i have been waiting for you to review some more obsolete crap, they're my favourite of your videos.

[@lescitrons]

These videos are great. Adorable cat btw

[@Daniel__Nobre]

"Why am I in the shot? I should get out of it!" Hahahahah so cool that you kept this!

[@RyllenKriel]

Wow that drive is ultra portable! You should attach it to your keychain and carry it around with you! In all seriousness, I love this Oddware series.

[@NESMASTER14]

Yes, I love these videos!!

[@davesecx]

Came for the oddware, stayed for the cat.

[@EdgyShooter]

It's always nice to know a bit more about a company you've mentioned before, but it wouldn't be anything with out the cat cameo ;D

[@concujak]

S-video out ! Woooo hoooo ! Used to play Duke Nukem 3D with S-video out on my Trinitron 27" TV ! it was amazing !

[@slashtiger1]

You should really do these more often… Too bad the Bernoulli didn't want to do its job, but that's something you couldn't help. I thoroughly enjoy these because of the genuine oddity of all of the hardware you cover! Keep it going!

[@galaxymaster]

i want more old hardware reviews :3 They are my favorite :)

[@michaelbattista1334]

I used this drive for 15 years to boot up and store my samples and songs for my ASR 10 Keyboard Sampler. How many hard drives today will last 15 years? I still have it and it still works. I bought it in 2001.

[@martrex2]

Dude, your voice, is awesome, so is your oddware, so jelly right now.

[@NaokisRC]

I love it when you upload a video, always quirky and awesome. As far as the drive, it looks like you could remove the actual drive part since it looks like it's following the 5 1/4 inch standard like cd-drives or floppy drives. Perhaps it's 50-pin SCSI on the inside and the box just acts like a converter? Just suspicion but cool bit of kit anyway!

[@XaoFakeNick]

It would be cool to have a video tour showing off your collection.

[@raydeen2k]

We had a bunch of these back in the day at the printing house I worked for. Magnetic fields were Kryptonite for these beasts (and for any magnetic drives). One of the operators left a disk sitting on top of one of the Mac monitors overnight. It was completely blank by morning.

[@zusurs]

I love that in your earlier videos your voice sounds much more like title character Rick from Adult Swim series "Rick and Morty" - alcoholic genius mad scientist. :) Great retrotech videos, btw - found your channel today and already subscribed as well after watching few videos. Cheers.

[@RetroAmateur1989]

a LGR followed by metal jesus video today was a good day. BTW when you use simcity 3000 music it sends chills down my spine

[@SamuelWilliams]

I have some experience getting old SCSI drives to work. With the Adaptec cards, they might show the device but if the connection speed is not set correctly you will have all sorts of issues. Additionally, you need to make sure you have active termination on the SCSI loop. Inside "Configure/View Host Adapter Settings" can you control the connection speed for each device ID? Try setting the one for the drive to the lowest speed possible and see if it works.

[@RustyDog41]

We used the older, larger cartridges to move CAD files from one computer to another before networking was commonplace. We stored them in the same drawers that were once used to store paper drawings. Each cartridge had the drawing numbers it contained written on the label. Ours were 44mb.

[@wildbilltexas]

In the late 90's I DJ'd for a radio station that used the Bernouli discs for sending programs, spots, jingles and music for the cluster's automation system. Unfortunately that computer system got rid of us local DJ's too (thanks Capstar, which was merged into Clear Channel).

[@LGR]

There are full reviews of two of them on my channel!

[@orrinus]

I had problems with having a SCSI device set for ID 0 back in the day. Something about the host adapter using that ID for some reason or another. Although, I can't remember if that was on a PC or an Amiga. Have you tried a different device ID?

[@moth.monster]

See if you can find some stuff about the weird cassete drives that used VHS as a digital storage medium. I think they were popular in Russia.

[@LGR]

I've got a VHS storage interface for PCs, actually! Planning to cover it in the future.

[@moth.monster]

Lazy Game Reviews Nice! Will be happy to watch that when you get around to it. I love your channel!

[@darthbriboy]

Lazy Game Reviews please do I would love to see it

[@hakemon]

Nice, I've actually been using my DVHS deck for storage, I wonder what the capacity differences are between them.

[@soldierofjudgement0477]

That's possible?

[@dagglock7615]

I've had a few of these units and they worked very well but it was hard to share anything with others because most people didn't have one.