Roy Shaw - Brute Force! Lenny McLean, Doorman Fights & who was the Real Guv'nor!

[@garyanderson5547]

I must say I come from a different world to all this, but years back I bumped into him in a pub, I spun round said I'm sorry mate he said no problem my friend I got speaking too him never have I met more of a old school gentleman in my life, absolute true gentleman!!

[@dazzledarren1271]

He really was a gentleman.

[@slapmyfunkybass]

Yep, but he could quickly turn if you messed with him. He was borderline insane. Completely ruthless and violent when he needed to be.

[@man_of_lawlessness]

You can see from his eyes that he was one mad bastard who was game at any age.

[@robmiller2773]

How polite he is should be nominated for hearts of gold😅

[@graemejones9707]

Met him in a hotel I was staying at in Epping around 2001, the eyes are piercing but not as scary when having a beer. Really great conversation and a total gentleman. As others say though, he'd not be one to cross even in later life!

[@Holly_2011]

I knew Roy. He was nuttier than a fruitcake and harder than the Times Crossword. Proper gentleman. God bless.

[@user-mu5ny1ks6t]

Something in his eyes while he speaks in this video makes me think you are right about that.

[@Bloxdio_God]

@@user-mu5ny1ks6tit’s called cocaine abuse.

[@mikeyoung7660]

Great to listen too. His manner when he tells his stories is brilliant. RIP Roy

[@sevvy101]

Are you serious? He was a twat

[@primalcarnage2480]

hes full of shit tbh

[@richardplume3212]

Top man kept it real

[@singin8324]

These guys were no technicians but my God they were hard bastards and you wouldn't mess with them not even at this age, last of the real tough guys

[@garrieleepeck8753]

Seems a really great guy . Could listen to his stories all day .

[@alexthomson7465]

Can't help feeling like I want to give him a glass of water.

[@johnnymccormick7811]

Just the way we talk lad

[@garyhay6771]

All peak athletes could have done better on one more glass of water. Just ask Eddy Hall

[@andy7666]

As long as it's hard tap water.. None of that soft nonsense.

[@user-mw2oe6xc7u]

Sad

[@rajeshdesore1129]

Roy Shaw was a Legend the Real deal I would see him running in Epping forest with his Dogs even in his later Years Proper Gent But not to be crossed , Yea fearless MAN. RIP ROY..... Mans Man..

[@telhosey3095]

well said my friend

[@kevthegoat8774]

While he may have excuses you got to give it to Shaw beating a much younger man in Lenny McLean and the fact that he was a heavyweight when Shaw was a natural middleweight. Imagine how the fights would of gone if they were both the same age.

[@petergedd9330]

You can tell in his eyes that he's fair but do never cross him

[@Zepster77]

Amen! 😆

[@sofunky46]

Roy was in his 40's and Lenny late 20's. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they were both late 20's. Roy was past his peak whereas Lenny was at his peak. 2 very tough men with a lot of heart.

[@brandonwb1973]

Not to mention Lenny was the FAR larger man. Roy had an uphill battle from the get-go but he didnt care. I am a huge fan of mclean but i think when you get down to brass tacks roy was the tougher of the two. He was a genuine loose cannon as well when it came time to get busy.

[@hmq9052]

@@brandonwb1973 The fk would you know about it

[@freedomforpeopletruelies6]

Exactly but Roy won first so that's what matters , Roy's the Guvnor

[@tyee8760]

Prime lenny beats prime Roy

[@seanmwh]

Think he was beaten fair square though although Roy Shaw was small really they didn’t really have the weight classes in the unlicensed game. Shawey only liked people he beat or that beat Mclean.

[@dachronicalalittlebitofeve6630]

Roy was tough guy, a real tough guy. As for the Lenny thing, he was beaten twice, that brutal KO knocked him senseless, was one of the most brutal Knockouts I’ve ever seen, he was out on his feet, took about 5-6 heavy punches while he was collapsing… Regardless, Roy was a seriously hard bastard, nobody else would’ve lasted as long he did. He had that I’ll never quit attitude, guys like this you hate to fight, no matter how many times you hit them they get back up and av another go!… Like pit bulls, loveable and caring, no fear wouldn’t back down from anything. Rip with respect

[@wcfields547]

The size difference between them though heavyweight against middleweight

[@shaunbritton939]

I love Roy Shaw I actually worked for a guy who was involved with these guys staunch proper men unlike most of todays snow flakes

[@garydouglass9577]

He never blinked once. Fkn great character 👍✊🏼

[@rickysorhaindo1359]

Yes he did, you need to keep of CHARLIE mate....

[@MyNameSucksBad82]

Saw him blink loads

[@Chazie_]

from what ive read lenny was a bully and roy was a career criminal they were different characters but i would imagine roy was a far more dangerous man than lenny

[@Notguilty907]

When I was just a kid 15 y old my neighbour, kinda took me under his wing. He was from the East End of London. He would talk about these guys and how he drove a "Lorry" and as he said doing "doggie business". He always drove jaguars and had lot of spare cash. In those days it was rare. He was a great bloke and always looked out for me. I came from a really poor family, my mother, bless her was single with four kids.

[@gbwildlifeuk8269]

* dodgy business not doggie 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnny5805]

He's an unbelievably ferocious looking man.

[@tonycostanzo4276]

hard as nails

[@nelcstreetcleansing3284]

The way roy comes across when he talks seems like a genuine bloke who you would give your last penny to.

[@hmq9052]

You would. Ya powder puff

[@leeandrews6084]

Old school tough man respect. 👊🏻

[@antbrentnall154]

Man has mad eyes …. He looked like he was looking through the interviewer!!!! He was supposed to have far superior boxing skills than Lenny McLean who had the power and was completely mental!!!

[@michaelcrompton68]

Those ‘mad eyes’ are signs if dementia, anyone who has nursed a family member with dementia/brain damage will recognise those glassy eyes you see in this video, very sad.

[@charlesneilson1420]

@@michaelcrompton68 Seemingly his eyes were like that when he was in the army.

[@petergedd9330]

Lenny though massive, was as quick as a wippet and would bite yer ear off in a flash

[@noelmorgan2751]

Lenny was nuts meet him a few times nice guy if you was nice to him he was alright

[@garydunlevy5673]

Easy to talk about a game man, but not sure if you are fìt enough to be around men like Roy. Not only is it disrespectful but he had heart mate and i honestly say not many of you who are talking about would be on your feet if you had the balls to talk like that around him.!!RIP Roy.

[@peterthornton7945]

Australian here and I'd not ever heard of Roy Shaw before now. I am very impressed. He deserves respect.

[@lardy70s]

You talk about him as it you know him personally. Did you know him?. I'm only asking as too many people talk about these people as if they knew him.

[@davefloyd9443]

The one trait all these respected old school hard men had was good manners.

[@Simon-fr4ts]

What about Paul Sykes?

[@scarred10]

​@@davefloyd9443 he was completely mad,he had no manners and no brain.

[@jackbell3355]

Not sure if the camera is close enough

[@thewaytruthlife1230]

No social distancing back then.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

I can’t see his nostril hair so not close enough.👀

[@michaelcrompton68]

It’s obvious you he dementia was quite rampant then. Even the interviewer is showing mercy and allowing him the easy way out of most of the ‘questions’.

[@marioncharleston]

@@michaelcrompton68 its not dementia.he got classed as insane and put in broadmoor where he was tortured

[@npc3po301]

Norman Wisdom meets Frankenstein

[@randomness9608]

Dont get loud u mug

[@GS-in8zf]

thats excactly what i thought ,, norman wisdom on steroids

[@mavos1211]

Haha I said that it’s a cross between Norman wisdom and Mike Tyson! 🤣

[@mavos1211]

That said even as a calm man talking stories he is terrifying! Fuck getting on the wrong side!

[@Bloxdio_God]

PMSL

[@jamiecollins9148]

Guilty pleasure. I love a good torrid tale. Be blessed, Roy!

[@thestudmuffin]

This man was an extremely serious individual in his day 👊🏼👊🏼💥💥☝🏼☝🏼

[@nigelbrigstock19]

Christ that was great well done.

[@mavos1211]

My mates dad was very good friends with Roy and he said he was so worked up for the first fight he punched 3 people out on the way to the ring! 🤣

[@devriestown]

HONESTLY!!!! THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FUCKING CRACK UP 🤣🤣🤣

[@brocktonblockbuster6555]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@craigsimons817]

Those eyes, constantly on the look out for the next big tear up.

[@leewalsh1666]

Love these Roy Shaw videos Liam. Very very tough man no doubt about it. So was Lenny. Roy doesn't come across as a liar and id never call him one.. But I can't see how a few tablets could be the reasons to both his Lenny losses. I've heard loads of times from various people Cliff Fields knocked Lenny out.. Cliff was from Dunstable just up the road from me in Luton. I think he became an alcoholic drinking on park benches taking a beating now and again by louts taking advantage of his poor health. I don't know if he's still alive.. Poor man

[@LiamGalvinFilm]

Yes I would have loved to interview Cliff Fields - I believe he died in 2010 - Roy acknowledged him as the Guvnor - I believe Johnny Waldron is still around according to one of our subscribers

[@lesgeorge9166]

I wish cliff fiejds had books n stuff he from what I read was harder than Roy and lenny ! Some one said he was on the drink and went down hill sad people beat on him and they wouldn’t have got away with it before 😔

[@michaelharrison3602]

Ginseng and vitamin E are not sedatives and don't make you drowsy

[@kimmason8533]

@@lesgeorge9166 he has a book it's very if you can find a copy£300/£500 expensive and hard to get a cut above is the title

[@seanscanlon9067]

@@michaelharrison3602 Yes they can but it all depends on the circumstances, as in what version is taken or how and when you take them and in what dosage. Ginseng can in certain circumstances cause dizziness and drowsiness and high dosages of vitamin E of 400I IU or more per day can cause several side effects including blurred vision, dizziness, fatigue, tiredness and weakness. I am not arguing either way about the particular fights here and just the fact that both have side effects.

[@adrianc1264]

Norman Wisdom's handy brother.

[@PorkysGaming]

@Adrian C That made me spit tea all over my keyboard lol

[@leesawford]

Hahahahahaha ! Spot on !

[@richardsmith5023]

I might be wrong, sure I've heard Norman Wisdon was a tidy boxer.

[@johnlyons1394]

@@richardsmith5023 very true..flyweight

[@suzannelacy8093]

That's who he reminds me of !

[@neilmac991]

Met Roy Shaw years ago working in Tescos cant believe for a small guy he had so many wins

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Can’t imagine Shaw working in Tesco.

[@IIZ00LII]

@@Eleventhearlofmars 🤣

[@graham9352]

@@Eleventhearlofmars 😂😂😂

[@sean864]

That would funny him knocking all the customers lol

[@ste-nq9yd]

every little helps

[@leslawrenson]

Lol. He beats Lenny up on the first meeting. Then, Lenny gets wise to his shit and smacks the fuck out of him the next two times they meet, and Roy blames the Ginseng and the vitamin E tabs!

[@seanmcgilway]

Respect Roy . Very tough proper man . Gentlemen 💯

[@robbiemcbeath6628]

Roy pretty boy Shaw was one of the greatest fighting men to come out of the UK!

[@scottgilmour749]

Been enjoying these uploads the last few weeks. Wld love to hear all the old stuff that was left in the editing room

[@rorycumins]

What about the story of Nosher Powell who smashed an aluminium ashtray over Frank Sinatra's head?

[@benross9427]

What a hard old school dude they definitely dont make em like this anymore

[@Andylouisoulful]

I have met Shaw and McLean. I became friendly with Lenny when he worked the doors. He was a real gentleman and always took time to talk to me and tell me stories of his past. He was a real character. I met Shaw a few times at unlicensed fights, I found him quite wooden to be honest, always seemed like he was out of it, either on meds, drugs or just punch drunk. Out of the two I much preferred Lenny. He always gave me good advice, my favourite quote from him was "never mistake kindness for weakness"

[@thebeast2746]

Liar 🤥

[@rogercook1163]

@@thebeast2746 This is because ov what happened with your mum ??? Isn’t it

[@Tokilainen]

If Will Ferrel had moved to england instead :'D

[@markshaw827]

Absolute warrior

[@stuzo666]

I have that facial expression when I have tight underpants on

[@bbb37877]

😂😂😂😂😂👌

[@anynameyouwant]

Even with a failing memory, still very selective of what he admits to. Reminds me of Norman Wisdom. Of course, having witnessed the rather threadbare vido of McLean using Roy's face like a punch bag, is it any wonder he has memory issues. Of course, McLean's punches 'didn't hurt', so Roy says, it just looked like it from where I was sat.

[@Davidlouis3]

Not the full shilling

[@ryanfindlay599]

Bartley German wouldnt have these guys hold his coat .....offered both Shaw & McLean & they didn't want to know ....Gorman was the king in those days ,absolute gentleman with unbelievable fighting skills

[@SA77888]

Did you know him?

[@ryanfindlay599]

@@SA77888 not personally but read his book ,so kinda knew of him ....Great read 👍

[@paulbanks2832]

That's complete lies. Ohhhh it's in his book, must be true

[@ryanfindlay599]

@@paulbanks2832 🤣🤣🤣🤣who knows a lot of fighters out there today say he was the best ,so gotta be some truth in it

[@possessedslig]

Anyone's beatable on the right day

[@spooktasticaparanormal]

What a really down to earth man. Old school is the best way. I remember also having to fight my way through life with the old fisty cuffs. Im too old now but those experiences toughened me up a bit. Everything these days seems to be more in the public domain now because more people are recording on their devices and sharing on social media. R.I.P Sir Roy. Im sure you will have met up with big Lenny on the other side.

[@peterprice5896]

That’s smashin that Roy gave cliff fields his due he lived in my town all his life it was a shame how he ended up in his prime he was a monster.

[@paulnelson3096]

Just looking at this man, you can tell he's hard as f#$k...he just ozzzzzzes man

[@lardy70s]

Oozes bullshit. Tough men are the one's that provide for their family with fuck all and not bashing someone up for no reason. There is a reason why Roy Shaw ended up in a mental hospital.

[@neillyboy3123]

He never blinks ?

[@SA77888]

He makes up for it by licking his lips though.

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

R Equal parts, man, gecko, and violent thug.

[@thomashassall96]

@@SA77888 😂

[@DanDanCOYS]

Roy was at my mums wedding, a good friend of my grandads. When you talk about hard bastards he is the hardest of them all.

[@stevenward1434]

Old Roy nice lad he looks double menacing but some times he reminds me of norman wisdom

[@jimmydempsey6857]

Yep keep expecting him to shout " Mr Grimsdale" !!

[@allmech_BMW_fault_finding]

Those eyes and the tight skin on the face say it all - hard as nails. Really like listening to Roy Shaw and have done for years. I also love listening to Lenny McClean. They were both very dangerous and serious men and sadly missed.

[@choister1973]

in the two rematches , why cant he just admit he got beat, ginsing and vitamen e, come on, take it on the chin, i boxed crolla in the amatuers, i admit i got beat fair n square, i could blame it on having a rest for 16 yrs before i got my licence back and smoking role ups a week before the fight, but i dont the best man won.

[@lardy70s]

Hi Allan. It takes a good man to admit defeat and give credit where credit is due. These blokes had a persona which carried an ego wider than the Thames.

[@StoutProper]

Funny I trained with a lad who battered crolla in the ams

[@afc358]

6:26 Here in the UK, every Christmas, we open a few Elf shops where you can buy costumes and stuff. Big favourite of Roy's.

[@charlesneilson1420]

😂😂

[@kingneptune8937]

Thanks for the up load.

[@leolicursi3536]

Zzzzz ok roy.. You took some absolutely solid punches.. But have some pride and admit u got annihilation

[@paulmorgan121]

I've seen two fights from Lenny and Roy but I can't find the one where Roy wins ?

[@mikebryson9350]

When he said yeah but i took vitamin E for the rematch i tuned out mentally, the guy was a nob.

[@lardy70s]

They all are Mike. People glorify these blokes as hero's. They're not. These are the type of blokes that would punch you in a boozer for absolutely no reason.

[@spiritof6986]

@@lardy70sNone of them would . Not the real hard men. Most of the proper hard nuts in my family are honourable and no bullying. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. Simple. Exactly the same as Roy and most other Shaw's that i know. Decent folk.

[@PorkysGaming]

@John Gilmore LMFAO

[@columkenn]

Hiding behind the dustbin caught in the headlights of the police car😁 Must have been a comical scene

[@leolicursi3536]

Lenny battered him.. 3rd fight maybe no proof but 2 of the fights he got absolutely battered

[@mrbigmel3]

Lenny McLean was the governor ....

[@thechunkyone7118]

I'm the guv'nor

[@mrbigmel3]

@@thechunkyone7118 Ronnie pickering is the Govrnor !

[@sim7481]

wasn't a grass, or a bully! top bloke in my eyes!

[@chrisbarton8115]

He killed someone in prison and bullied the two witnesses so that he got away with it. All good as long as it's not your dad or brother that's been killed for a few bad tackles in a prison football game I guess

[@grbbbc]

I don’t know about him being a grass, but I do know he was a bully, you’re totally blinkered sim74.

[@jeztickles4361]

Hardest man about and a true gentleman

[@AndyHunting-kj5do]

No 10 on 1 with knives proper geezer

[@mavos1211]

I would love to know who that bouncer was in southend! Lucky escape!

[@davidbillyard6629]

If you do a search for Lee Chapman, Terry Stone did a podcast with him recently which could be relevant.

[@antcoult7374]

He just couldn't admit lenny beat him twice

[@micksidious320]

Norman wisdom put on a bit of weight in his golden years

[@ShedDwellerMakerandRepairer]

Either he's punch drunk or was on some serious meds. Those eyes.... he's wired.

[@ryan4640]

He's always had them mad eyes even from photos of when he's younger lol

[@ShaunMartin-t8v]

Always be weary of people who don't blink.

[@richardsmith70]

Roy Shaw absolute gent

[@georgesmith2016]

He sure was

[@richardsmith70]

George Smith yes love the story when he beat three guys up for swearing in front of a woman makes he true old school unlike others

[@stevens5541]

Weirdo criminal

[@georgesmith2016]

lol lol how do you work that one out garry glitter

[@stevens5541]

@@georgesmith2016 well he is an obvious weirdo and a criminal....was dont you understand?

[@markrowlands9547]

Does Anyone Remember the Green Man n Still??? A lot of toe to toe was arranged in there . My Mum n Dad run it while under training as Licencees .

[@dread4836]

I like Roy Shaw seemed a decent man

[@scarred10]

He ended up in broadmoor,that's real decent alright.

[@upsidedownworldexposed6735]

Like tyson said.. A man will never admit he just got beat.. Big toes.. Heavy suits and ginsing.. You got beat lad

[@beefstew5676]

Heavy suits and ginseng haha

[@leemaskill3425]

Love this mans stories ✋️

[@stevens5541]

Why?....hes a weirdo criminal

[@lardy70s]

@@stevens5541 Exactly. People always love a villain except when you're on the receiving end.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Keyboard warriors are here again I see. 🙄

[@grahamskinner4535]

What a legend

[@stevens5541]

Leg end

[@charlesneilson1420]

Did any of these hardmen do anything interesting in their life's?

[@charlesneilson1420]

Did he build his house

[@BeerStens]

I think you'd want to be on the right side of Mr Shaw. The world was built on these type.

[@edwardodonnell6857]

Love the documentary where it shows Roy with his dogs I would have been shit scared of the dogs let alone Roy.His eyes tell me all I need to know lol.

[@paulfernay407]

Roy shaw didnt need to make the poor ginseng excuse. Absolute nonesense. Too much actually makes you struggle ro sleep not the other way round. He was a brutal fighter that didnt need to make such a poor excuse. He was beaten fair and square

[@danielnewton5867]

This guy doesn’t blink.

[@davidhewitt555]

Victim E He means ecstasy He gets confused when coked off it lol

[@zaphodbeeblebrox9109]

He definitely doesnt mean ecstasy, he means literally vitamin E. You dont take 4 in a pop before doing a match and you dont measure ecstasy in IU (international units), you measure vitamin content in IU. Fucking mug.

[@tonygreen1629]

Cliff Field was the real guvner followed by Roy shaw!

[@tyee8760]

Roy got battered off lenny twice

[@chrisferns5352]

Roy was as tuff as they come doesn't matter lenney or him both great fighters every dog has his day roy had his so did lenny

[@kevinchamberlain7928]

If Roy glanced at balloons they'd pop. If he stared at glass it'd melt.

[@joaosilva8565]

Lenny destroyed him! Blaming supplements for the only two recorded fights where he was beaten! Coincidence?

[@vespasian266]

because Lenny said the same thing as to why Shaw beat him first time round. made excuses. Roy is just returning the favor so to speak.

[@davidroughead774]

My mates uncle, Knocked Mclean out inside 20 seconds at an old Quarry just outside of Matlock in Derbyshire, his uncle was called Bob Crumb, Mclean lost 14 teeth in the fight and had to be given oxygen at ringside and spent 5 weeks in intensive care at a hospital in Nottingham.

[@tonycostanzo4276]

he has a nice side to him

[@DACHBO1]

Poor old Roy's ego wouldn't let him admit defeat,his childhood probably didn't help though,maybe the ginseng didn't either. Was one of the toughest guys ever in his height and weight category.

[@jasonsmith4483]

Yes. Ginseng and Vit E. That’s the problem.

[@michaelcrompton68]

The only thing Roy took was some solid punches to the face. Game over.

[@ban7270]

🍻 how couldn't ya raise yr glasses one of man's era !....

[@ban7270]

Read between the lines :))

[@ban7270]

I didn't say anything about French fries?

[@ravchana5633]

What a Geezer ....brilliant fighter to beat Lenny

[@slickdon1]

Because he come back bigger faster stronger

[@gerrylennon5467]

Did Roy Shaw ever fight the guv and beat him, or just a rumour?

[@dubsdolby9437]

Stopped lenny in the first fight they had.

[@joegaro4]

I want what he's on.out of it 🤣🤣🤣

[@twhssts]

Its called punch drunk

[@Beesa10]

@@twhssts He was developing dementia

[@janetburns7910]

Jingsing

[@robbiedoo5148]

vitamin E lol

[@dannyward673]

I’m from the East End and Iv met some tasty bods in my time but that generation n time they were made different seriously. So many really hard hard warriors some you have probably never heard of come from our small little pocket of London. I say to the young ones who think they are hard n I advise some of them that when your about n you see some old grandads who you think nothing of just be mindful because if you upset one of these they will take you apart if they get hold of ya. Different Generation can you imagine what their life was like for them to have become such a menacing hard case 😳

[@possessedslig]

World War II made for a tough generation

[@dannyward673]

@@possessedslig A very good point didn’t think about that, I suppose dockers n railway working made them strong n hard as well physically and the war n upbringing from their parents mentally made them strong too. A mighty combo 💪🏼

[@stevecampbell8616]

He was a scary looking fella even then 😮

[@ragnar5203]

Love Roy to bits.......but! I cant help imagining Norman Wisdom is infact a boil washed Roy! 🤔

[@leccy9901]

Just heard the bouncer story frin one of the bouncers. I like roy, but have to admit the bouncer sounded a lot more truthful. Got to admit id love to have aeen the fights with these old school men and the bouncers. Roy was a wild, wild man. Most certainly insane.

[@josephmills-mw2hs]

They missed tht gluxtad,whts the story with him was he set up or is he a bad type? Ive read his book

[@franriding6473]

Those eyes have seen things

[@DrJoeCool]

Couldn’t man mountain York find a smaller pair of shorts 🤔

[@KP-yq8id]

I’ve seen the third fight (I think) in YT and I’m glad he turned Roy’s challenge down. Roy despite his pride could have got seriously hurt