Library Fire Alarm & Fire Department Response

[@GaryBeltz]

In 1990 congress passed and President George H W Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) into law. Any building that is built in that year or later and has two or more stories MUST have an elevator.

[@GaryBeltz]

@tubemaster2703 That is the standard Simplex male voice playing the standard 4100/4100u/4120 voice evacuation message. When the installers come in they set up the panel with the message that was ordered by the contractors. The voice is stored on a card that is in the panel along with the sound.

[@tor94]

@weatherdan882002 its a speaker/strobe. the strobe was broken

[@emily91303]

It did almost 😅 go off at Half Price Books 📚, but we survived the evacuation!

[@tor94]

sorry i didnt reply to any of the above comments, i didnt even realize that they were here until today. and yeah this is in evanston.

[@GaryBeltz]

The town is Evanston and at your Wheaton public library what tone/message does it use when the alarm goes off?

[@GaryBeltz]

The panel shown in this video is not the annunciator that is main panel the annunciator is a small retangular box with the display the acknolwedge, silence, and reset buttons and a key switch they are never that big in fact you can here Winson say to his father "There is no annunciator, the main panel's it!"

[@tor94]

hehe thanks for the correction. I thought of that soon after I said it.

[@GaryBeltz]

Zeo Lightning In most cases the panel is kept somewhere in the basement, office, or utility room and it's usually a room that's kept locked at all times other necessary to get in it. This is the third place I've seen where the panel is at the main entrance. The other two were in real life the one was at a building at my dad's old job where he let me watch guys trying to troubleshoot a find fault in the system idk what panel is was. The second was in the corporate building here where AT&aT does its face to face job interviews and the building had a Simplex 4006 with a red cabinet.

[@GaryBeltz]

Darn auto correct I meant ground fault shouldn't have used the abbreviation and AT&T

[@GaryBeltz]

What Nickeloden show are you referencing with that quote. I know Lori Beth Dinburg was in quite a few of them.

[@GaryBeltz]

@wileyk209zback What alarm sound does the middle school use? That slow whoop is one of many that can be chosen.

[@tor94]

@Gb755c i dont know. i felt like a shorter title was better

[@GaryBeltz]

Who was the one that said "It's a good thing you were standing next to me otherwise I would've said WINSTON!"?

[@jk09345568]

Uh I don't know. lol Kyle maybe. I did not catch his name.

[@GaryBeltz]

I would guess that you are right about the panel and since they won't let anyone see it would suggest that it is in a utility room either in the basement or on the main floor but locked. They usually do monthly and/or annual tests/inspections. If you go by the library on a daily basis see if there is a sign indicating that one is going to be performed. Might have to actually go in the main entrance to see it. Usually will say "fire Alarm test today at (time) or an upcoming date/time

[@GaryBeltz]

@MemoryLanes2010 you’re saying that to a comment that is 10 years old lol

[@tor94]

@tubemaster2703 no, these messages have already been recorded. they have the option to record on location, but many choose not to.

[@GaryBeltz]

I wonder why it kept false alarming?

[@jk09345568]

Someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@msj191961]

I know you live in Illinois so do I. What library was this at and in what town. The Wheaton Public library has a 4100 or 4100U with white TrueAlert speaker/strobes.

[@FaradayBananacage]

"Do you think this happens a lot?" Yes. This happened every six weeks or so at the last apartment building I lived in. By the time I got my pants on, gathered my important papers, and leashed the dog for a random 4 am wander there were fire guys huffing and puffing the other way up the stairs. It was always something about dust in the sensors. I guess that's what management tells you instead of "the elevator caught fire again."

[@thegamer-12]

Happens regularly to the mall next to my apartment building at like 5am. Keep in mind the mall opens at 7am so it's really strange. My theory is that the resturants inside the mall is frying something. But weird how it happens so often

[@Corvette1658]

Now do you think that the Simplex Panels that make now like the 4100U and the 4100ES do you think it will still you where the alarm was sit off at or do you think that the ACK still needs to be push to tell you where the alarm was sit off at?

[@tor94]

in the newer panels, from what i understand, cycle between the whole "***FIRE ALARM***" and where the alarm activated. I will find out more later though, as i have a possible internship with Simplex this summer.

[@Corvette1658]

tornadofreak1994 Did you ever find out what sit off the fire alarm that day?

[@tor94]

nope. I left before the whole ordeal was over and didnt come back for a while

[@GaryBeltz]

SHG is a Gentex product I don't think that is a SHG that you can hear buzzing in the background may be interference caused by his camera or some other piece of equipment. This is a Simplex 4100u system with some kind of speaker/strobes I can't tell what the one is but that is the Simplex standard evacuation message and slow whoop tone

[@mattthebassboy]

if you listen closely at the beginning you can hear a gentex door alarm

[@thetrueunknown]

at eny fire response they will send etleast one ladder or more if its a big structure for this one only needed two

[@tor94]

@wileyk209zback really? the building was just re done?

[@GaryBeltz]

@tubemaster2703 The simplex technicians can program them either at the factory or on site. A newest models of the voice panels can be programmed by connecting a USB cable to it and then to a computer that runs a special software program.

[@Genesislseries48574]

What year was this library building built in?

[@tor94]

I think it was most recently remodeled in 2017-2018

[@bruh3120]

​@@tor94 Is the old 4100 still fhere or was it replaced with a diffrrent panel?

[@tor94]

@@bruh3120 Unfortunately, I don’t know. Moved away a few years ago

[@Goldenrod636]

Where were the SHGs?

[@msj191961]

Oh I know where it is. It is in a locked room in the basement in the children's section. But I can't ride my bike there everyday. I will ask them when the next test will be and I will post a video of the test going on.

[@manny3549]

excellent video... perfect to train anyone. I wish the camera would have been more towards the people...but honestly, this is a brilliant idea. The quality is excellent. I appreciate your work!

[@MrTylerNicole1]

Why would you look at the panel rather than just get out? If the building was actually on fire, Lord knows how much time you would have had.

[@tor94]

Tyler Shallue i walked down a few flights of stairs, saw no smoke and was interested. So, i looked

[@MrTylerNicole1]

Is it actually considered tampering to press the acknowledge button? Is that the reason you can’t find out where the alarm is coming from? Just curious. Thanks.

[@alexandersalarms5380]

@@MrTylerNicole1 Yes it is tampering, not the worst thing in the world, but still tampering.

[@MrTylerNicole1]

I see why now.

[@seanjuth]

I'm going to take a malfunction out of question as this is a government owned building

[@GaryBeltz]

That doesn't mean anything a fire alarm operates the same in a government building as in anything else if a smoke detector or pull station malfunctions it's still going to go off.

[@tor94]

@wileyk209zback i ment the library

[@tor94]

@paul9511 i think i did but its been a year so i dont exactly remember, and lol yeah i could have done that... but 1. i dont want to get in trouble for it and 2. i dont want to pay for new glass.

[@jole3799]

The son is hungry by him some food please

[@msj191961]

I have no idea since I have never heard them tested nor has there been a false alarm. I have asked to see the fire alarm panel but they said they do not let anyone see it. I am guessing it is a 4100 or 4100U because it has a Simplex 4603-9101 annunciator which is the common type for those panels. It just has Simplex t-bar pull stations and white Simplex TrueAlert wall speaker/strobes and ceiling speaker/strobes.

[@josephfrye7342]

there is 4100es now though since the 4100 is a classic.

[@vinnieversaci452]

What brand of speaker strobes

[@tor94]

Wheelock

[@vinnieversaci452]

I never seen wheelock speaker strobes like that before

[@Georninja]

Isn't it illegal if you mess with a FA Control Panel unless you are authorized? Even if it's silencing the alarm, you can still get in trouble if you are not authorized right?

[@tor94]

if you silence the alarm yes. I would just acknowledge so it scrolls through the activated points on the panel without silencing the alarm

[@brandongotzpowers]

George McIntyre not really only to turn off the sound but not the alarm it self

[@DCC--vq1ng]

@@tor94I am curious about why silencing the alarm could get one into trouble?

[@tor94]

​@@DCC--vq1ng Premature silencing of fire alarm systems has resulted in fire deaths. In some locations, they "ask" that the alarm, trouble, etc. not be silenced or reset as it allows the fire department to easily identify the situation at the buildings FACP or annunciator panel. In others, such as where I live, there is an orange sticker placed on the panels that state the system shall be silenced and reset only by fire personnel per village ordinance. If someone were to not comply, a $1,000 fine can be charged at the departments discretion. In addition, every alarm should be treated as an emergency. Sources: Kirkland Washington Fire Department "fire alarm response procedures" bulletin. Hope this answers your question

[@DCC--vq1ng]

@@tor94 Thanks

[@tor94]

@weatherdan882002 yeah i know right. i thought it was weird also.

[@weatherdan882002]

What was that buzzing noise at 0:15?

[@paulahejew9109]

Weatherdan8820002 the buzz was the emergency exit

[@MrTylerNicole1]

Paul Ahejew No. I think he was talking about the fire panel. When the system is in alarm, the red light on the fire panel will flash and the panel will continue beeping until you acknowledge the alarm.

[@sandrafalkosky8139]

where is the where is the fire alarm going off at

[@jk09345568]

Parking Garage.

[@callofduty2551]

what cause the fire alarm to go off

[@jk09345568]

Someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@tor94]

@tubemaster2703 i think its a computerized voice. and yes the speaker strobes volume was quiet

[@tor94]

@Firealarm101 someone was smokeing in the parking garage

[@jk09345568]

That is smoking and yeah other commenters are asking about what caused the alarm. I keep telling them what you told Firealarm101 and that is someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@tor94]

they were back in a corner of the library near the emergency exit doors

[@phillies4100_mainsite]

did some1 pull this alarm

[@MrTylerNicole1]

phillies4100 Yes, it could have been, but we don’t know. There are little kids standing outside. Maybe, a child was curious to see what the alarm does.

[@jk09345568]

No someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@RyanHatcher1000]

The is a simplex 4020 fire alarm panel it looks like the simplex 4010u

[@YutuTheFox]

No it's actually a Simplex 4100 in silver.

[@weatherdan882002]

@tornadofreak1994 very odd that there would be smoke detectors in a parking garage, unless someone thought it was real and pulled it...

[@GaryBeltz]

Interesting speaker strobe never seen it before

[@tor94]

@TERRELL465 it is

[@sabotabo7476]

I hear this alarm going off right now at 12:54 AM since 12:00, but it's coming from the Sherman Plaza Self-Park. I went to see what's happening, but as far as I saw, it's nothing. Wierd.

[@GaryBeltz]

@tubemaster2703 Yeah where my dad used to work they had an older panel with voice evac don't know the model but it played this same message and the same slow whoop and that panel was used in the late 80s or early 90s. That could be when voice evacuation systems were in their infancy.

[@twentyfour44]

What kind of panel was that

[@GaryBeltz]

Simplex 4100 or earlier since it has the older style slow whoop

[@YutuTheFox]

That building had a Simplex 4100 the original one.

[@NJMoo3652]

Chrome too!

[@VerifiedNubTM]

+MST2474 I thought that was a 4020?

[@YutuTheFox]

VerifiedNub™ 4020 never have that buzzer

[@MrTylerNicole1]

Well obviously, you wouldn’t necessarily cook in a library to set the alarm off. It is most likely a system malfunction or one of the pull stations was activated.

[@jk09345568]

Or someone was smoking somewhere where they had no business smoking.

[@GaryBeltz]

why didn't you put your key in the panel and just press the ack button and close it back up?

[@weatherdan882002]

was the alarm seen at 1:07 a speaker or a speaker/strobe?

[@GaryBeltz]

Just wondering why did you change the video's title?

[@callofduty2551]

how is a fire in a libary...how is there a elevator in a libary

[@jk09345568]

lol Good question.

[@thegamer-12]

Some librarys are multiple floors. Like the one where i live is 3 floors

[@tor94]

@paul9511 nope. there was no sign of water or smoke. prob a faulty detector

[@tor94]

@phillies4100 well im not completely sure because i didnt stay through the entire emergency but i think so

[@GaryBeltz]

@paul9511 Breaking the glass would've allowed him to push the Alarm Acknowledge button but yeah I agree with him paying for glass and/or jail time are not my cups of tea lol

[@MrTylerNicole1]

I can see resetting the system being illegal but the Alarm ACK button only silences the piezo on the panel and shows where the alarm was activated.

[@GaryBeltz]

@@MrTylerNicole1 I guess they consider if anyone so much as "touching" the equipment without permission as "Tampering with fire alarm/life safety equipment" I've heard on here and read in the NFPA literature that even if the last person left his or her keys in the panel and you mess with it in anyway YOU would get in trouble.

[@tor94]

@weatherdan882002 there were some horn strobes on the other side of the room

[@bluedog11563]

Haha , they sent two truck company and an engine ? lol , Usualy Automatic Alarms are just an engine ... haha nice video bro (: What state this in ?

[@MrTylerNicole1]

I can kind of understand how you feel about the situation. But what would happen if there was a real fire somewhere else and those two trucks were still at the false alarm? That could be a life safety concern. Fire departments don’t just respond because they want to, but they are required by law to. This is why pulling a false alarm is a serious criminal offense in some states. In fact, if somebody gets injured,, or even worse, dies because you were fooling around, that could be literally murder or manslaughter.

[@GaryBeltz]

@800kirby I would've have to say in about 3 minutes because My dad had that system where he worked and it does the slow whoop twice, then the voice evac message plays three times then goes into the whoop until the silence button is pushed and it was whooping before they exited and about a minute later the FD shows up.

[@GaryBeltz]

He did that for privacy reasons. Some people do not like being filmed and rather than asking everyone for his or her permission most of the time the floor is filmed. I personally would not care if my face was on camera but not everyone feels that way.

[@TheAppleMan100]

excuses me princess for bringing in humor.

[@matrix2048]

1:26 I'll bet that's the classic 4100, in a steel cabinet too.

[@tor94]

@weatherdan882002 there was 3 slow whoops then the message started

[@tor94]

@paul9511 yes

[@stevesmith-wc2gb]

Not always they could have cancelled any additional responding units

[@ljmike1204]

at oure school in the netherlands i was in the automotiv class with was like a garage when the fire alarm would go off the giant garage doors would open as a emergency exits the building was new and even steam from the car wash station inside would set it off ... funny as hell we had like 5 times the alarm going off in one week

[@sonyamoore75]

these speakers are wheelock ET1080

[@futurealarms121]

I've never seen those speaker strobes, and i've seen lot of them to.

[@tor94]

@TssCman123 hehehe yeah i found it interesting that people left also

[@RyanHatcher1000]

it takes the b key

[@TheAppleMan100]

Lori Beth: QUIET THIS IS A LIBRARY AND LIBRARY'S ARE SUPPOSED TO BE QUIET!

[@chicagofdinvestigator6471]

What fire department is this?

[@classichank60]

Evanston, IL Fire Department

[@psirvent8]

6:30 😍😍

[@Transit_Angst]

@MrDyson01 look at the time in the vid, thats when

[@RyanHatcher1000]

i got the key to the panel

[@tor94]

i dont work in nor do i own the building that this was in so i didnt feel like i should cause i would most likely get in some form of trouble

[@tor94]

@wileyk209zback yes. i know.

[@myrealghostbusters]

was there a fire, or just false alarm?

[@jk09345568]

Someone was smoking in the parking garage so yeah it was real.

[@tor94]

@yoshi9891 false fire alarm

[@tor94]

@TssCman123 my father

[@NJMoo3652]

Yay! Someone who actually looks at the control panel when the alarm is going off!

[@ExitSign250]

I know right!

[@Kasey1776]

Yeah!

[@neowolf3950]

Right?!

[@GaryBeltz]

Unfortunately he couldn't actually find out where it was going off since he didn't have a Simplex B key to push the acknowledge button.

[@GaryBeltz]

@wileyk209zback One of the times it goes off you should try to get a recording of it for KZbin. would like to hear a female Simplex voice. don't hear them too often.

[@tor94]

@tornadofreak1994 also the parking garadge is under the building

[@damaniwilliams9280]

First the system is a simplex voice evac panel second the speakers are wheelock ET speaker strobes the others are gentex SHG

[@joek0617]

my only criticism is that you really should work on holding the camera steady. otherwise, it's an excellent video

[@phillies4100_mainsite]

My library has an Elevator because it's 2 floors.

[@joshsomerton9700]

was it real or a false alarm?

[@jk09345568]

We could say it was a real alarm because someone was smoking in the building and that is a no no.

[@msj191961]

Nice system! 4251-30s. Was there a fire?

[@jk09345568]

No someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@deatheye_9764]

I hate simplex voice evacs. My favorite is EST

[@Ericlovestrains]

Real

[@jk09345568]

Nice vid. Someone was smoking in the parking garage.

[@Firealarm101]

what hapend

[@rodin9075]

Wheelock ch-df1-lsm-24

[@tor94]

@msj191961 no... there was no fire

[@tor94]

didnt know that existed, will look into it

[@exidon2799]

s

[@TheAppleMan100]

All That

[@jacobisworld9516]

0:01

[@GaryBeltz]

You can buy Simplex B keys on ebay. I bought one for $5 maybe if you had one of those you could've pushed the acknowledge button fairly lol

[@tor94]

i own 2 lol :)