How ”self-driving” do you want your self-driving car to be?
@mr.fearless7594 Жыл бұрын
Like Bumblebee
@arnold_m_xavier Жыл бұрын
People like me definitely need self driving cars. Every single car should be equipped with a self driving option in the future. This is the only way I could ever own a car, or else I will be riding on cabs forever.
@rj8u Жыл бұрын
Autopilot and Full Self Driving are two different systems and as a reporter you should know that by now 🙈. You should Compare Tesla Full Self Driving crash data to that if Waymo and Cruise along with the number of Miles traveled. Tesla autopilot it's free while Full Self Driving cost $15k so the cost of Waymo and Cruise lidar alone covers the cost of software and hardware of Tesla Full Self Driving technology.
@mattheweckler8881 Жыл бұрын
that is the question that is trying to be answered by all the auto manufactures now. Tesla's answer is "absolute", they want the car to be able to have a destination point entered, then get there fully on it's own with zero input from the driver. other companies (GM, Ford) are looking at just removing the "tedious" portions of a drive, such as long highway commutes in heavy traffic, not point-to-point service. personally, i'm with the latter group, i don't need "self driving" to get me 6 blocks to the grocery store. however, having something that will effectively "drive" through bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, yes please.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
Easy -- all the way (without compromising safety, of course). Over the last 10 years I have witnessed both my parents having to give up driving through age-related ill-health. Even though they lived in pretty much the perfect location for walking access to their doctor, dentist, high street shops, church, etc. losing the car was still a major blow to their lifestyle. Then you have all those elderly people who continue to drive but shouldn't. So, I'm hoping that by the time I reach the age when I should no longer be behind the wheel, self-driving cars are a reality. For the elderly, disabled, and infirm alone, this would be an amazing technology to have.
@magnuszerum9177 Жыл бұрын
If we are going to go with self driving cars, they need to see better than we do.
Жыл бұрын
Well, they don't blink, have cameras on every side, have good resolution throughout the entire field of view... How's that?
@magnuszerum9177 Жыл бұрын
@ It's a good start. Now how solid is the protection in preventing them from controlling where we are allowed to go?
@JosephHowes2003 Жыл бұрын
They already do see far better than we do. Can you see everything in 360° and analyse everything that's happening instantly?
@bobhope3940 Жыл бұрын
We currently don't have self driving cars due to the brain, the vision side needs no update. Humans only wreck because we have an attention problem.
@Tarik1996 Жыл бұрын
They need to be better at processing information. Not seing better. Reaction time is probably the higher cause of accidents compared to visibility
@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss Жыл бұрын
Removing LiDAR was about cutting costs at the risk of accidents that could otherwise be avoided. 2d cameras are not great at detecting depth especially in dark environments where the sensor gain needs to be increased to the point where the image becomes noisey and far less useful. Edit: Please read my below comments for more detail on this if you are skeptical.
@salvatoreocello Жыл бұрын
Spitting more facts than the video
@salvatoreocello Жыл бұрын
@@VincentKarabouladMusique I was kidding. I made a comment earlier about using cameras to detect objects and light instead of LiDAR
@chi7891 Жыл бұрын
If humans can do it, why can’t cameras and computers?
@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss Жыл бұрын
@@chi7891because cameras are not humans? This whole comparison is silly, technology and humans both excel at certain things but the human eye in particular is incredibly hard to recreate in terms of clarity, adaptive light sensitivity; etc. again, camera sensors even today struggle in low light without heavy noise reduction/processing. This processing/noise reduction is nice for looking at images but isn’t super useful for autonomous vehicles because it ultimately either creates artifacts or just smears detail depending on the technique they use. The solution is either LiDAR or much larger camera sensors, both would be more expensive than what Tesla is doing right now.
@chi7891 Жыл бұрын
@@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss the roads are designed for vision. If camera improvements are needed, that’s fine, but you won’t be able to recognize things like stop signs or traffic lights with LiDAR.
@LiamMarcon Жыл бұрын
Im not a musk fan and I think his choice to remove radar was wrong. BUT were you unable or unwilling to compare equal data sets between Waymo and telsa? Could you not find Telsa data per one million miles or did you not even try? Just seems like bad reporting to put to compare two completely different stats.
@LiamMarcon Жыл бұрын
Super quick google and I found "Autopilot got in an accident once every 4.31 million miles". So, did you not even bother to google it? Did you find different data? I'd love an explanation because these seems like supremely shotty reporting from The Verge.
@DrieStone Жыл бұрын
@@LiamMarcon And the data in the article includes traffic aware cruise control accidents.
@tt3kgtvr4 Жыл бұрын
They’re adding HD Radar into the new Teslas. This will complement the current sensors rather than compete with them.
@haselhofler Жыл бұрын
Also Waymo and Cruise don't cruise on highways, do they?
@jaredcaines6688 Жыл бұрын
Yeah this was clearly not unbiased reporting. Just another example of the media going after Musk. He appears to be Trump 2.0 in that regard.
@moshmosh26 Жыл бұрын
We don't need self driving cars. We need self driving buses. Imagine new york streets full with only long autonumes buses with 50 people each - it'll make traffic much more bearable
@palody_en-ja Жыл бұрын
Or think in reverse and make less destinations for people to go to so that large buses make even more sense. Mega-City One here we gooooo
@adamhiltonmusic Жыл бұрын
CYCLING
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
Longer term, you can imagine a combination of both types of vehicle -- communal and individual -- forming "virtual trains" as the travel down the major routes together, all coordinating with each other and communicating with the city grid system which optimizes the traffic flow to get everyone to their destinations as efficiently as possible. The density and speed of the traffic would be much greater than possible with people behind the wheel. Perhaps the HOV lanes on many highways will be the first to be converted to self-driving only...
@arxclaus Жыл бұрын
So that when it crashes, it takes out people in bulk👍
@adamhiltonmusic Жыл бұрын
@@EnglishMike This would never work. It's tech bro nonsense. It only takes 1 car that isn't self-driving to disrupt the whole flow. What happens when one of the cars gets hacked? You could melt down an entire city from across the globe. You could even shut down an entire country all at the same time. Self-driving cars already exist - they're called trains.
@noklat4482 Жыл бұрын
Waymo has had 2 crashes in the previous 1 million miles? Tesla cars drive collectively 1 million FSD miles per day. That is why the statistic is very skewed, you compare it to 4 years (4x365=1.460). This statistic is presented very misleading in your video.
@jordibruin Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@sa34w Жыл бұрын
Verge being biased , shocker.
@kayslay6195 Жыл бұрын
Also he compared it to Autopilot (Traffic-Aware cruise Control) and not FSD (Full Self Driving) - there is a difference
@noklat4482 Жыл бұрын
@@kayslay6195 good point, that makes it even worse 😅
@Martin_Edmondson Жыл бұрын
Should also compare to human drivers too. (Without checking) I would guess they are both significantly less likely to have an incident/accident and fatality.
@karthikpradeep6440 Жыл бұрын
Truly HORRIBLE crash data comparison between Teslas on Autopilot and Waymo cars. Waymos have been in 2 crashes and 18 "minor contact incidents" (whatever that means) versus Teslas have been in 736 crashes since 2019? This isn't an apples to apples comparison. You can easily google "Tesla crash data" and see that on Autopilot, there is an average of 1 crash every 4.8 million miles on Autopilot
@LiamMarcon Жыл бұрын
Agreed. AWFUL reporting. Truely bad. I can't tell if they're incompetent or bias. Probably both. P.S I don't even like Musk! But I hate bad reporting more.
@KaceyGreen Жыл бұрын
@@LiamMarcon on top of what you both said autopilot isn't FSD Beta which is the appropriate comparison until Tesla has a true driverless mode
@karthikpradeep6440 Жыл бұрын
@@KaceyGreen Exactly! Not even the same things
@karthikpradeep6440 Жыл бұрын
@@LiamMarcon Haha love the transparency
@DavidVilla147BVB Жыл бұрын
What about Waymo only operating in the City, where crashes Are much more likely to happen and Teslas putting a big Chunck of the Miles on the Highway, where Even normal level 2 systems will prevent most of all crashes. Again, you also do not compare Apples with apples 😅
@diogodokioske Жыл бұрын
It doesn't seem fair to me to compare Waymo's accident record in miles and Tesla's in years. It would have to be in the same unit (distance or time), although distance seems to be the best indicator.
@rotinoma Жыл бұрын
or at least get the Tesla crash data for the specific locations (Phoenix metro area and SF metro area). There are several reasons why those two areas are chose for this type of self-driving testing.
@adrianomachado112 Жыл бұрын
@@rotinoma’s not so much the location but the number of miles. It simply doesn’t make sense to compare unless he had divided the number of crashes by the number of miles
@hansrama3485 Жыл бұрын
That was a very cheeky biased comparison honestly
@dannyvfilms Жыл бұрын
My understanding was cars like Waymo only operate in pre-mapped environments, where Teslas are built to “read the room” and figure out what’s in front of them. LiDAR or not, that approach makes a huge difference in the performance and limitations of the autonomous systems.
@rotinoma Жыл бұрын
For the longest time some tech uses lidar maps, which doesn't allow it to adopt to roadways that's not pre-mapped. No mention of this in the video is a huge omission.
@rousseau327 Жыл бұрын
Geofenced companies do it not because they can only operate in pre-mapped areas. They do just as much of "reading the room" if not more (due to having more sensors in both quantity and variety). Even in the geofenced areas, roads change every single day, from constructions, pedestrians, double parked cars, etc., pre-mapping alone would be insufficient to begin with. Geofenced companies can lift that restriction if they want to, but they are in a world of risk if they do driverless without a geofence right now. It's the same reason why Tesla still requires a driver when using FSD.
@benoithyperlord Жыл бұрын
Elon just tells you a new lie everytime you need to hear one. I know about 10 people who invested in Tesla because "everytime someone drive a Tesla, the resolution of the map increases". Now, it's the opposite. It is very clear to me that Tesla has already lost the race for autonomous vehicles. Dispite all the money thrown at them! it's quite impressive..
@Blaze61086 ай бұрын
Yes, the difference is that while it should theoretically generalize better than mapping, Tesla's approach is enormously worse at actually driving.
@limen76792 ай бұрын
How do you pre-map vehicle and pedestrian traffic that changes constantly?
@nikkorocksalot5254 Жыл бұрын
With my commute times, and no train options, a driverless vehicle would get me back 20 hours a week in at least reading or working on my hobbies
@VJechev Жыл бұрын
I miss Verge science, and we need more content like this ❤. Your content recently has been all over the tech and fashion tech map.
@ChandiraG Жыл бұрын
Autopilot < Waymo < FSD The accidents that were reported are for Autopilot which is basically Cruise Control + Lane Keep Assist. No doubt it's a misleading name but it has led to the average person believing that Teslas are already fully autonomous which I guess was important branding. Waymo uses HD maps which means that their cars can only drive in areas that are already mapped. This is expensive and time consuming which is why it's limited to California. FSD on the other hand relies on vision meaning the system is self contained and given that it learns from the millions of cars world wide will eventually be able to drive themselves without supervision (L4 at least). It will never be as safe as using Lidar but it's a tradeoff that's worth it.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
"but it's a tradeoff that's worth it." Without accurate like-for-like comparison data, we don't even have any idea what the tradeoff is.
@Blaze61086 ай бұрын
IF FSD was better I'd expect FSD robotaxis to be driving around by now. Like Waymo does.
@praveshchopra8698 Жыл бұрын
What was not mentioned ( fatalities) in the Tesla Accidents as to how many million miles driven by tesla , also not mentioned that for lidar only you need to be geofenced and not able to drive all over
@chrisak49 Жыл бұрын
Yea the video is misleading. The % of Tesla incidents is lower than Waymo incidents.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
@@chrisak49 How much of that Tesla accident data happened while the car was fully autonomous? Driver assist mode is very different from fully autonomous. With an accurate like for like comparison, no accurate conclusions can be drawn.
@chrisak49 Жыл бұрын
@@EnglishMike The video is also misleading cause the guy kept saying Autopilot which is just adaptive cruise with lane keep. He doesn't include data for full self driving data because he can't get it and is probably too lazy to dig for the data.
@alecgrolimond1678 Жыл бұрын
I think you should have also included stats of accidents with no driving assist at all.
@DrieStone Жыл бұрын
And the stat of 1M miles with Waymo. 35M miles on the Full Self-Driving beta (although I couldn't find any accident data regarding the beta). Also the Tesla stats include traffic aware cruise control, which isn't really self driving at all. It does seems like comparing Apple to Oranges.
@rtm135 Жыл бұрын
Obviously, humans are the problem here. Taking us out of the equation will reduce accidents.
@KeithGroover Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that section was an apples to asteroids comparison. Not good.
@torotech Жыл бұрын
@DrieStone problem with the Tesla stats is the whole controversy about it disabling itself prior to impact. Just a cursory video of near misses on KZbin or Twitter where the driver stops FSD from Killing a cyclist or running a busy stop sign and uts clear that the FSD safety stats are pretty useless and can't be compared to an autonomous vehicle like waymo where an accident is an accident, black and white.
@alecgrolimond1678 Жыл бұрын
@@torotech makes sense thanks
@thula2890 Жыл бұрын
If Lidar is so amazing why is Waymo not national yet after decades of development? If you are going to make an honest comparison of the two sensor choices you cannot just mension cost. Lidar cannot distinguish between some objects or read signs and it doesn't work well in certain weather conditions just to mention a few. There is a lot that goes into the consideration besides the cost.
@abdsalamelkhamlichi6677 Жыл бұрын
That's why Waymo doesn't have just Lidar, they have a full set of sensors including cameras. Elon simps are so freaking stupid 😂😂😂
@hilmyakatsuki1665 Жыл бұрын
Lidar can only get range data, nothing more. You still need a 2d camera to provide the system with enough data to work with.
@KaiseruSoze Жыл бұрын
Thumbs down. You don't give your stats in accidents/miles driven. You can't compare the numbers of accidents without a a common denominator. This comparison is misleading and that makes me think The Verge was paid by WayMo to mislead the public. Typical.
@jacobB1290H Жыл бұрын
All the sensors on waymo isn’t what makes waymos drive better than a Tesla in the 2 cities waymo works in. It’s the HD maps that tell the car every move they have to make. Where as Tesla doesn’t want to really on expensive HD maps that take an enormous amount of time and energy to maintain. Tesla has basically already solved the computer vision aspect eliminating the need for all the sensors that cost hundreds of thousands per car. 6:38, you compared Tesla autopilot and waymo, autopilot and FSD are wildly different things. FSD is way more capable and can see everything, autopilot cannot
@adamlin5079 Жыл бұрын
I think the Internet of Things is the ultimate way to self-driving because if everything knows about each other, than the algorithms can do the rest, but putting each thing into the IOT is the hardest part of the job.
@dkdeep5505 Жыл бұрын
I used to think that too. But devices are more reliant on each other which can be bad. Having a separate system that can work on its own is more secure.
@adamlin5079 Жыл бұрын
@@dkdeep5505 i agree, but what im thinking is they dont reliant on each other, they just been noticed that each other is exist and making dynamic adjustments on its on, that would be different way for vehicle to sensing the world
@dkdeep5505 Жыл бұрын
@@adamlin5079 how would they notice?
@Blaze61086 ай бұрын
This is a terrible idea, pedestrians and generally things other than vehicles are not IoT. What are you going to do, make it mandatory to wear some IoT chip or install an IoT app?
@jonathancunningham87396 ай бұрын
Uh first no that is extremely dangerous second impossible first if the internet gives out goodbye car second the internet is filled with hackers you are as good as dead if they decide to use the internet to fully control the car.
@karimbenallal4454 Жыл бұрын
Lidar doesn't work in the rain or fog so it's pretty much useless in most places
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
We all know Elon removed LiDAR because it's expensive. With that said, however, comparing the number of crashes something like Waymo has to Tesla's cars is like saying a starting pg who plays 38 minutes a game and has 4 turnovers is more reckless with the ball than a center who plays 7 minutes a game and is only put in to play defense. Not only is the Waymo geo-fenced, it's also mapped. It can travel routes that have been mapped before. For the most part, it also can't travel on highways and is speed reduced. It's not put in nearly the same situations the Tesla is. Again, I really wish Elon would pu the LiDAR sensors back, along with the ultrasonic sensors. I just don't like the crash number comparison.
@Mockarutan Жыл бұрын
There was never any LiDAR in Teslas. Just radar that was removed earlier this year I think.
@PSG1JOHN1 Жыл бұрын
@@MockarutanRadar coming back with HD radar
@ljm4242 Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this, so thanks. The comparison crash data was misleading at best.
@a-shockingly-generic-name Жыл бұрын
I've taken a cruise several times in Austin, and the cars just arent there yet. The cruise takes 25 minutes to take me from our favorite bar to my apartment, which would only be 10 mins in an uber. They are somewhat jumpy in turns and cruise has very clearly only allowed the cars to travel along predetermined routes, and avoid certain maneuvers. This causes the cars to bunch up into little trains in certain parts of downtown. Any way you slice it, we are a long way off from general purpose, level 5 autonomy.
@bingeMAFIA Жыл бұрын
I've seen fully autonomous vehicles in SF, Phoenix, and Austin ALL with LiDAR equipped. Tesla's FSD camera system requires a driver. It may change, but thats where we're at in 2023.
@chrisoconnell8432 Жыл бұрын
What you said is true, but a bit of an oversimplification. Waymo and Cruz are Level 4 autonomous and Tesla is Level 2 today. However Tesla is aiming for Level 5 autonomous, Waymo and Cruz are not, they are just working towards better Level 4. If you ask who is in the lead towards Level 5 its Tesla all the way, no one else has even started.
@bingeMAFIA Жыл бұрын
@@chrisoconnell8432 Cruise, and Waymo are fully autonomous, level 5. Just allowed to run in certain cities. Tesla's full self driving is currently level 4.
@chrisoconnell8432 Жыл бұрын
@@bingeMAFIA In Level 3, 4 and 5 the manufacturer is liable in an accident, Level 1 and 2 the driver is still liable. So Telsa is Level 2. A very capable Level 2, but still 2. Cruise and Waymo REQUIRE detailed HD maps of the area they will drive. If tomorrow you told them they have permission to drive NY City they couldn't do it because they don't have detailed maps of that city yet. Its just not possible to maintain up-to-date maps of every street on Earth. That is why their system will always be Level 4 without a rewrite from scratch.
@kafiluz4317 Жыл бұрын
@@bingeMAFIA - no, a level 5 car must be capabable of mastering all traffic situations. It takes millions of driven miles to feed the ai and make it drive better than a professional car driver. And guess who's going to have it first.
@rickkay9548 Жыл бұрын
Its weird that Lidar cars can basically only drive in tiny pre-scanned areas, but Tesla with only cameras drive everywhere in North America. Even with Waymos avoiding freeways and driving the same routes 1/3 as fast as Tesla, its still a good company, but cant scale fast at all.
@TheSpartan3669 Жыл бұрын
1. Tesla's can't drive anywhere on their own. 2. LIDAR can be used outside of a geofence. Mercedes uses LIDAR which allows them to reach level 3 for high traffic scenarios under 40mph. Lastly, Waymo actually can take highways as long as a safety driver is in the car. I think they're less willing to risk a high speed accident until they're fully confident that it can handle it 100%
@kenion21669 ай бұрын
@@TheSpartan3669 Mercedes is also geo fenced and not a single customer got the drive pilot yet xD
@thewatcher58227 ай бұрын
@@TheSpartan3669 Tesla is trying to solve a much bigger problem. and they need data to do it. The fact it has millions of cars on the road with many drivers actually paying to Test FSD for Tesla is a huge advantage. The challenge isn't tiny areas of America avoiding the more complex scenarios. It is to drive from point A to point B in an efficient and safe way. Waymo has the safe part in very select areas, Tesla has the point A to point B. To me Tesla will grow safer far quicker than Waymo can extend it's range of travel.
@Blaze61086 ай бұрын
Well, Teslas CAN'T actually self-drive ANYWHERE, so any theoretical scaling doesn't matter.
@rickkay95486 ай бұрын
@@Blaze6108 They can self-drive in myriad locations, but just not BY themselves (read “alone”) and without supervision. No car you can buy can yet. No one else is as close to that goal as Tesla, but china has a few that are pretty close (but still need pre-mapping which Tesla doesn’t).
@HansMilling Жыл бұрын
There is one fundamental errors in this video. You compare 2019 Autopilot data (where the cars were NOT driving by themselves in any way, it's basic lane assist and adaptive cruise control) with more recent data from the other companies where the cars are actually driving by themselves. Get some data with the latest FSD beta from Tesla, and see if the result isn't much better (factoring in the number of cars on the road from each company). The Verge videos are usually very thorough with it's data, but this one is not.
@charlesg5085 Жыл бұрын
Lol the verge is always a joke.
@dusanskrbic90 Жыл бұрын
And of course you did not mention occlusion of LiDAR in harsh environments. It becomes useless in rain, snow and fog.
@rtm135 Жыл бұрын
Neither tech is a "magic bullet". They're complimentary, not redundant.
@daviidon Жыл бұрын
does cameras excel in those conditions?
@alecubudulecu Жыл бұрын
@@daviidoncompared to LIDAR. Yes. But neither is “good” in the rain
@dusanskrbic90 Жыл бұрын
@@daviidon Camera with radar (existing technology) is far more useful than LiDAR in these conditions.
@AntTonyLOLKID Жыл бұрын
I think I imagined that autonomous vehicles would share information with each other (just those within a certain distance, or on the path you your on). So it would be kinda be like a omnipresent system via cameras. I did originally think using a combination of lidar and cameras were better (for Musk's example of a plastic bag floating in the way, causing a lidar system hitting the breaks), but now, I realise technology is getting more and more interconnected.
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
I think that will happen in china faster than in the west and the rest of the world , then again what are you going to do about the rural areas? that can work in urban areas but rural areas are literal dustballs territories... the vehicles will still need internal logic...
@AntTonyLOLKID Жыл бұрын
@PrograError true... I have no idea. maybe just gonna have it work as it is now? 😅 cuz if there is not much traffic, the only thing the car should be worried about is local pedestrians, wildlife, livestock, etc. Which will all be covered AI anyways
@Blaze61086 ай бұрын
Kinda sorta, but it's extremely bad practice to rely on info sharing if you're not in a truly closed system. For example, autonomous subway trains can get away with having barely any sensors at all because the environment is so controlled that info sharing can do all the sensing for them. But for cars operating in civil environments, it is completely insane to rely on anything less than accurate perception.
@Noname-bg8sh2 ай бұрын
Thats a sign of a bad algorithm and not a Problem of lidar. Even with lidar you have to figure out If this is an Object and how and where it moves over time, If it defies gravity and moves slowly its more likely to be a soft object. Just using a simple hittest on the depthmap from lidar is the most amateurish approach, i really hope all car manufacturers using lidar where past that point allready on day one of research! 😅
@tony.cortez Жыл бұрын
Lidar is more accurate. Especially at night. Yes cameras are okay and will work similar to lidar as long as there is enough light. Programming lidar is easier, and accurate, but expensive. Programming camera to create ML is difficult but justifiable in the long run, and hardware itself is cheap.
@hilmyakatsuki1665 Жыл бұрын
No programming lidar also requires programming the system to understand obstacles and do its work. Lidar just provides raw data the same as cameras.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
@@hilmyakatsuki1665 If that raw data provides more and higher quality data about the objects around the car, then the software processing that data will be easier to code and be less prone to mistakes (all other factors being equal).
@hilmyakatsuki1665 Жыл бұрын
@@EnglishMike again it's not that easy. Otherwise lidar could take over the mainstream market already! Both systems need to be taught how to differentiate between objects. The Lidar system also needs a 2d system to recognize and validate the data before deciding anything. Tesla also taught and validates their 2d camera system with lidar on the testing phase before using that model on the real road for customers without lidar. Yes lidar can help but at this point there's nothing indicating that lidar provides anything meaningful more than 2d cameras.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
@@hilmyakatsuki1665 Lidar has been way too expensive to be in mass produced consumer products. Lidar isn't confused by shadows, bright sunlight or oncoming headlight beams, all of which have to be overcome when using camera systems. If AI processing has reached the point where they can be effectively overcome, then great, but it took a lot of extra work to get to that point.
@kafiluz4317 Жыл бұрын
Lidar is not more accurate. Especially when it's rainy or foggy it can completly fail. And this is the moment where a camera based system has to take over 100 %! Cameras (=eyes) are human proofed. There will never be cars driving with turned off lights (f.e. to be visible to animals or pedestrians) and humans don't make car accidents because they lack a 6th lidar sense. Humans overestimate themself or get distracted. It's always the same actually. So no need to change the sensors. It's the brain that has to be replaced by an AI to make driving safer.
@asicdathens Жыл бұрын
As someone who worked with GIS, photogrammetry and with reduced acuity in one eye due to surgery ( low stereoscopic vision) I can tell you the following. LiDAR does not only produces a 3D map of the environment but for every 3D point scanned detects the doppler shift so from a single image you can tell what is around you, what is moving and what is standing. Theoretically speaking , stereo cameras or arrays of cameras can achieve near human levels of seeing but your brain can Id each an every part of the environment, can tell what is moving what is dangerous can gauge distances based on proportional sizes and many more. Also cameras are susceptible to a variety of optical illusions (forced perspectives etc) different items with near same colors and so on. I do not know if LiDAR is the cure all solution for Level 5 autonomy ( the holy grail) but is close enough.
@kafiluz4317 Жыл бұрын
Lidar doesn't even work in heavy rain. So all companies that trust on lidar must have a 100 % working redundant camera system if they want their cars to drive autonomous in all weather conditions. Why should anyone develop two separate systems if only one of them is capable of mastering all situations? For me Lidar is only a historical intermediate step, due to the lack of skill in processing 2d camera data to 3d data. Humans only have a visual sense as well. And humans never make accidents because we lack a lidar sense. We make accidents because we overestimate ourself (driving-skills, alcohol, drugs etc.) or we get distracted. Both will not happen to computers. Since FSD Beta 11.4 it's not about what sensors anymore, but about how much data the AI has to be fed to drive better and safer than human.
@rossadamdixon Жыл бұрын
Cars at night are not essentially blind! 1 cars have lights or we wouldnt be able to drive them. Cameras are also much more sensitive to small amounts of light.
@rossadamdixon Жыл бұрын
Also auto pilot is not full self driving! Auto pilot is just advanced cruise control.
@JesseVideos Жыл бұрын
Things not addressed that are interesting aside from sensors: - Usage of HD maps - Comparison equally to number of miles driven on self driving auto pilot vs cruise control auto pilot. - Volvo including single LiDAR sensor on new electric cars for partial self driving on highways. - blue cruise and super cruise.
@onecandela Жыл бұрын
Brought to you by Luminar 😂 So transparent...
@santiagobmx1000 Жыл бұрын
Lmfao right?. What an agenda. So poorly argued too.
@haselhofler Жыл бұрын
I literally stopped updating my Model 3 in August 2022 because of the update disabling radar. I don't want a sensor I bought, that helps to sometimes see more than me to be disabled. I don't want autopilot to be as handicapped as me by low angled sunlight or heavy rain...
@DaveBoxBG Жыл бұрын
They intentionally do not say how many miles Teslas have driven. This 1 million miles for cruise is laughable, since Tesla has more incidents but has trillions of miles driven.
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
Trillions??? In full self driving mode???? I think not.
@lyndon19613 ай бұрын
youre not being fair with your comparisons..' per 1 million miles travelled' vs 'since 2018'... how many miles has tesla covered.. over a billion... take this assessment with a pinch of salt.. tesla rules them all..stop hating.. lol
@philloucks978422 күн бұрын
Hopefully, Waymo makes millions. Because with the Lidar vehicle expenses, operating & original product costs, its costing them billions. Most of Tesla’s crashes were caused by others and were unavoidable. Waymo isn’t allowed on freeways, so their driving is slower paced and those accidents shouldn’t do as much harm.
@Ahmed-me5nu Жыл бұрын
I love the bit where he tries to explain the usage of LiDar and it starts out as "Well, apple products have it" without any mention of their usage on these devices. Unintentional dunk on apple tbh.
@rousseau327 Жыл бұрын
He also didn't talk about the specific usages in farm equipment, warehouse vehicles, and aviation. Was it an unintentional dunk on those applications too? Nah, he already explained what lidar does and how it works at a high level, mentioning Apple and the other use cases is meant to briefly help visualize and associate how this sensor is applied elsewhere. Going into specific applications for products unrelated to this video means going off-topic.
@The_Love_Doctor_Sean5 ай бұрын
Unlike this reporter Elon will change if he is wrong, Elon was wrong about Manufacturing with only machines and robots, he stated "I was wrong about automation" he is a engineer unlike most people so if the information changes and the evidence shows it is a bad move then he will redirect. I do not think this makes him bad or stupid it is called innovation. Being wrong is only bad in school but in the real world of creativity and invention being wrong is apart of creating the right. This is unknown space for all companies and Elon does need his heart to change only the data and evidence. Learn the difference or stay lost in the sauce.
@youtubewts Жыл бұрын
I thought Elon was pretty clear that LIDAR / radar was also being removed because it was too low resolution and interfered too much with what the cameras could see and caused conflicts with decision making. Now that higher resolution radar tech is becoming available I thought they were adding that back in.
@kafiluz4317 Жыл бұрын
The problem with decision making is just one reason most companies will toss Lidar. The main reason is that lidar won't work in all weather condition. So they have to set up a vision system as redundancy. And as soon as they have their 100 % vision system working, they cut Lidar. Pretty logical.
@kenion21669 ай бұрын
Exactly low resolution radar can cause a conflict between the camera input and the radar input. Which input do you trust? ... So to prevent phantom breaking in the past it would just do nothing.
@zeth609 Жыл бұрын
LiDAR is NEEDED for autonomous driving. Tesla is wrong.
@mmo5366 Жыл бұрын
Anyone paying any attention already knew this about LiDAR and Self-driving… was so counter productive when Elon turfed it, but the costs explained it. But it’s good to have it all wrapped up so nicely in one video.
@thewatcher58227 ай бұрын
Elon said Lidar was not needed. Seeing V12, I think he may well be proved correct.
@hsiaohu2959 Жыл бұрын
Having more sensors without adequate “brain” tech. doesn’t necessarily get us to true autonomy/robotaxi; in addition to more Teslas being on the road (which you rightly pointed out) Tesla FSD Beta (emphasis on BETA) also drives on highways with higher speeds, thus if crash occurs, more serious damage
@vinayprakash1687 Жыл бұрын
Very shallow comparison I would say. There are a lot technicalities when choosing sensors. Comparing accidents is the dumbest thing I have seen. If waymo had solved self driving through LiDAR, $6000 would be pennies for the gains that we could get. However, it's not that simple. I'm not saying LiDAR is not a good sensor. But I don't think creating realistic map of surrounding though point cloud is as necessary as people think. We can make a good enough 3D image of the surround by using multiple cameras. Software is the main bottleneck right now, not the sensors. If software reach at the level where hardware becomes the bottleneck, then we can talk about LiDAR.
@pnwmeditations Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that to be a mostly vision-based autonomous system, you'd need REALLY good cameras. Ones with insane dynamic range and resolution. After all, the same camera has to be able to look straight into a late afternoon sun and also be able to process a poorly lit country road on a moonless night. I think Elon's comments about lidar sound to me like a CEO trying to justify a cost-cutting business decision.
@redmundperrz7234 Жыл бұрын
Can lidar read Speed limit or text in signboard?
@user_thelongwayaround Жыл бұрын
when you talk about how many people hurt using lidar while providing the miles, you should as well compare it to tesla while providing the miles, to make them on a comparable scale
@Zripas9 ай бұрын
He should have also used data from city driving only and not highway... As he talked about autopilot, which is the one you can use only on highways... 2x speed kind of increases chances of injury. Tho at same time, its not even level 3 or 4 or 5, so entire fault is on humans and not on auto pilot, but heck, people will be doing what they do best "Spreading fud for the sake of it"
@mattcaff Жыл бұрын
Forget self driving cars - give us self driving buses and autonomous subways / light rail. That’s how we could actually solve many of our challenges-climate change, urban sprawl, public health problems, social isolation/disconnection, etc.
@CaioDAndrade Жыл бұрын
Imagine a world with perfect self driving tech, no one should buy a car, let the robots drive
@amalxavier5102 Жыл бұрын
Dude that's really boring,don't you want to drive sometime?
@carson9903 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a world with perfect public transportation
@a-don13 Жыл бұрын
@@carson9903 If by public transportation you mean individual cars with my own space
@frankcoffey2 ай бұрын
Pre planned point to point trips are not all cars are used for. If that were true people would not be buying cars now because public transportation is already available. Vehicles are used for all kinds of things public transportation can't do and for some owners pre planned trips are less than 20% of how they use their cars. People also don't hate driving, it's just as fun as it was then we turned 16 even after 50 years of doing it.
@hellishcyberdemon71126 күн бұрын
Yea that's great!, no I'll still drive myself thank you
@RQcube Жыл бұрын
SpaceX Knows Lidar Better Than You
@dethmunky86 Жыл бұрын
I'm so relieved that Lidar vehicles shift liability to the auto manufacturer when it runs over a kid at a crosswalk. Venture capital spending is billions of dollars to put cab drivers out of work. The government is investing hundreds of millions of dollars into autonomous vehicle research instead of on quality public transportation. Our priorities should be people, not tech.
@michaelmastropaolo7282 Жыл бұрын
Dissappointed in the comparison of crashes between tesla and lidar vehicles. This must be normalized for miles driven to be a fair assessment.
@hyunchulshim3195 Жыл бұрын
Theoretically, camera can do everything LiDAR can. But the AI for the cameras are not ready yet. So in the meanwhile, one can use LiDAR to fill the gap or wait until the technologies come along. If we try to buy one of those WayMo or Cruze's cars, no one can afford it (would be hundreds of thousand dollars for all the LiDARs), so Tesla has no choice but to push the camera based autonomous driving to keep the price tag reasonable.
@sravansuresh7460 Жыл бұрын
The whole driver is in charge, can be applied to cars with Lidar also. No matter how cutting edge unless 100% safety can be garanteed drivers are always in charge unless it's like a driverless taxi, which are extra precautious. They stop even when not needed just because it's trained to be so. Lidar absolutely helps and is better than Tesla's solution. Tesla's camera based solution has many faults which Lidar solves. On top of it, they processing isn't as heavy as you would think. The data from the Lidar is fed into a ML model. These models although heavily resource and time intensive to train not so much when being run. And more over there will be chips that transform the Lidar to a more easily accessible and usable data. Apple is already doing it with the R1 in Vision Pro. These cars all have it. I would trust a car with Lidar more than one without it. The depth information it provides cannot be matched with a system reliant on 2D cameras. The best it can do is add another sonar sensor to eid. But since light travels faster, that also wouldn't be a direct replacement for Lidar.
@BrianBest Жыл бұрын
Of the whole spectrum of light, why limit your self to the visible spectrum
@thewatcher58227 ай бұрын
Cost and complexity. Tesla used to use radar as well, but went camera's only as sometimes the radar and camera's conflicted. Ultimately it was the camera's that were being proved correct so Tesla decided to go the camera only approach. I must say seeing what Tesla are achieving with V12 of FSD, I really think they may have cracked it.
@rtm135 Жыл бұрын
As a computer scientist, I believe that more data is better than less data. The data provided by cameras and the data provided by LiDAR is different and neither product gives the “full” picture, making these two technologies complementary instead of redundant. Initially, Elon was against LiDAR due to the cost, size, and aesthetics of the equipment. During the past decade, the technology has shrunk in size and cost so to the point where they live on our iPhones, so I’m not sure why Elon still opposes the technology in 2023. Perhaps if Elon spent less time jerking himself off on Twitter and more time reevaluating technology trends and waking up to the fact that Waymo is leaving them in the dust, then maybe Tesla can experience some forward movement again and keep the promise of FSD that Elon has been pedaling as only 18 months away for the past 10 years.
@drjones694 Жыл бұрын
Didn't Tesla say they're bringing back lidar??
@Sal3600 Жыл бұрын
Yes, high res
@ShaneFromSA Жыл бұрын
Radar not lidar
@WilliamEnwerem-o5z5 күн бұрын
We need more self-driving cars in the medical field
@anthonytrotman8999 Жыл бұрын
Wow I stopped watching after I realized how biased this was Try taking a waymo car and a Tesla to a place neither has ever driven on before Get back to me with the results We already lnow
@BlackCowOppa Жыл бұрын
Of course we need self-driving cars….there are too many distracted drivers on the road these days…..every single one of them is looking at their cell phones.
@TheBlackspotsBand Жыл бұрын
I think this is too much surface level analysis. In a tesla with FSD BETA the driver is in charge. if he crashes and dies, it's on him. You cannot take your attention off the road. Hence, no single lawsuit came through. Musk also explained in detail how the radar and lidar provided a lot of faulty data that made the whole system worse. Adding to that, the computing power needed to properly crunch real time lidar data is immense. No mention of this fact either in your comparison. Sry to be that guy
@pyrozuerich Жыл бұрын
100%
@petrosnianias3816 Жыл бұрын
yup
@sravansuresh7460 Жыл бұрын
The whole driver is in charge, can be applied to cars with Lidar also. No matter how cutting edge unless 100% safety can be garanteed drivers are always in charge unless it's like a driverless taxi, which are extra precautious. They stop even when not needed just because it's trained to be so. Lidar absolutely helps and is better than Tesla's solution. Tesla's camera based solution has many faults which Lidar solves. On top of it, they processing isn't as heavy as you would think. The data from the Lidar is fed into a ML model. These models although heavily resource and time intensive to train not so much when being run. And more over there will be chips that transform the Lidar to a more easily accessible and usable data. Apple is already doing it with the R1 in Vision Pro. These cars all have it. I would trust a car with Lidar more than one without it. The depth information it provides cannot be matched with a system reliant on 2D cameras. The best it can do is add another sonar sensor to eid. But since light travels faster, that also wouldn't be a direct replacement for Lidar.
@TheBlackspotsBand Жыл бұрын
@@sravansuresh7460 Thanks for clarifying. You are probably on to something. I think Andrew (or verge for that matter) has a bit of a "Elon is bad billionaire" attitude. These clickbaity titles with his name in it, and not having the full picture kinda grinds my gears. I think we both have point tho, computing power might get there sooner than I thought
@sravansuresh7460 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBlackspotsBand For sure.
@jam1997168 сағат бұрын
I’m self driving in my Tesla right now and it’s great
@tommyalmight6 ай бұрын
i just looked up on google, "75000 to 6000 a pop" actually meant 6000 per day. They way he cover this video is a bit bias when talking about lidar and tesla. he covers all the details for lidar and pros, but never covers tesla's.
@JoshsBookishVoyage Жыл бұрын
A billionaire who shits on more expensive and complex engineering to make a simplified and less advanced device at the risk of everyone using it and around it. Never heard that before
@--DM Жыл бұрын
100% self-driving cars were a fascinating dream that will come true "next year", maybe 5-8 years ago... Now, some 8 years later, it's like that fancy uni degree you fought SOO hard to get! Received 50% of it. Getting 50% of the desired salary. And paying the student load for the next 20 years...
@maxjames00077 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Elon been saying for 10 + years now that it's ''one year until we have FSD''. It will take decades before we can really trust it. Especially in Europe
@alexandergofen17715 ай бұрын
Even before this video, as a mathematician who has dealt with stereo imaging, I dare to disagree with the highly respectable Elon Mask, who is so sure that processing of many plane images allows to reliably reconstruct the 3D scene around the car: especially the sudden appearance of obstacles. Even formally, restoration of the 3D scene using a stereo pair of images is a so-called ill-defined problem, relying on the recognition of the (approximately) corresponding points in the stereo pair. Not to say, that images of stereo pairs at night, in fog, and similar contain nearly no information at all. Though yes, humans possessing normal stereo vision, do reconstruct the 3D scene due miraculous ability of the human brain. Contrary to that, a Lidar scans the real 3D scene and DIRECTLY reconstructs it no matter night or day. Unlike the situation with stereo pairs, The 3D reconstruction from Lidar data is NOT ill-defined.
@yookoala6 ай бұрын
There can never be fair comparison between the two unless Tesla is given the same opportunity to do full auto drive. Having a human driver, who understands how good Tesla drives itself in certain situations, decides when it's best to do auto drive and when to intervene is not the same level of full auto drive on the street no matter the situation. The milage difference can never be truely compared when they are doing different things in those milage.
@EM_J0 Жыл бұрын
Radar or even LiDAR would've prevented any of these crashes from taking place
@akashagrawal44835 ай бұрын
George Hotz was the first to say that we don't need LIDAR for Comma AI. They should have done the courtesy of mentioning it.
@Sal3600 Жыл бұрын
Musk has said ages ago high res lidar only. This is old news. Catch up. Wow misleading crash comparison. Weak verge
@raymondsiu Жыл бұрын
It reconstruct the debate of bicycle that we need more than 2 wheels to avoid falling.
@greenvelvet Жыл бұрын
I will never relinquish the the steering wheel nor will I be driven by a driverless car. You people can take risks with your own life
@hsangli5893 Жыл бұрын
This video ruins the reputation of The Verge because it fails to provide concise technical explanation as well as Pros and Cons comparison between (Liadar/High Definition Map Method) vs (Tesla's Pure Vision Method) of Full Shelf Driving. And because of this failure, this video should change its title to "Promotion of Lidar Base Full Shelf Driving" instead.
@JBoman32768 Жыл бұрын
Wow this video is on the 'verge' of being a hit piece. No mention of the Tesla occupancy network as a replacement for LIDAR? Comparing accidents from 1 million miles of driverless on curated pre mapped roads, with many million human controlled autopilot miles on all roads, without mentioning any FSD miles? Very weird.
@JuanFmTech Жыл бұрын
what is up with the hate towards "SAUCE" Sauce is a great word also great on foods, STOP the Sauce hate dude.
@robbiero368 Жыл бұрын
Cameras are higher def than lidar. Get back to me when these lidar cars drive faster than 35 miles an hour.
@kartikkashyap5740 Жыл бұрын
I personally don't want a self driving car. Cars are fun to drive. What's the point when you will not be able to drive them one day?
@coolbart66 Жыл бұрын
IF you are going to properly compare Waymo with Tesla self-driving, then you need to tell your audience that Waymo only operates on city streets and not on highways. You did say geofenced areas, but you didn’t say geofenced to a”non-highway” roads. This translates to slower speeds and less accidents and fatalities. If you are comparing to Tesla Autopilot which is on highways alone, then it is not a fair comparison. You would have to compare it to Tesla FSD and the accident data from FSD non-highway miles. Teslas drive end to end on any and all roadways. LIDAR requires HD mapped roadways which the data required to do so for every roadway in the world, including dirt roads is not practical so LIDAR AVs will never see true complete end to end autonomy. Train a car to use only vision and sound just like a human and you’re on the right track, even though the learning may take a bit longer.
@mitchellnissen6466 Жыл бұрын
Musk saying LiDAR is not necessary like the Titan submarine guy saying certification of submersibles is unnecessary. Rich people don’t value life as much as they value their businesses and egos.
@thewatcher58227 ай бұрын
Well watching V12 of FSD operating. It seems Elon may have a point.
@johnnytshi5 ай бұрын
Easy, both Baidu and Waymo are actually autonomous today on the road, Tesla is not. If Lidar is not needed, just do it, make it real.
@derp2496 Жыл бұрын
This is such a bad take on Tesla Vision vs Lidar adopted alternatives.. You measure accidents in the form of nominal values and not percentages from miles driven and completely neglect to disclose that those driving Waymo vehicles drive in specific metro areas with trained engineers not the typical consumer. This video will age horribly for misleading the public by making statements that delude such as "Waymo's vehicles simply see more of the real world with the additional sensors." Word of advice for The Verge, don't let someone with no credibility in incredibly advanced self-driving systems draw basic conclusions about current offerings in self-driving.
@milomarchiori840 Жыл бұрын
Not mentioning teslas full self driving beta which is out right now for some drivers seems like a huge omission. Also, billions of miles have been driven on autopilot with a fatality rate per mile way lower than equivalent human drivers (since I last heard). Combined with their system being so flexible that geofencing isn’t required and operating at such a large scale, Tesla seems quite a bit further ahead than those other players to me.
@SurgiftApp Жыл бұрын
Home is is drinking the Elon juice.
@willjwadley Жыл бұрын
This
@communityband1 Жыл бұрын
It's ironic that Google was and still likely is the leader in image recognition and yet still saw the need for sensor redundancy to reach necessary confidence levels for safe driverless operation. With Tesla FSD, we still see lots of issues with the perception. We often see it initially misplace objects in the world or identify objects which aren't there. If you watch FSD videos closely, you'll often see phantom road cones appear, suggesting Tesla is setting its confidence thresholds low in order to not miss things, but at the expense of occasionally seeing things that don't exist. You can also see it get fooled by reflections, sometimes showing cars driving inside buildings that have reflective windows.
@kafiluz4317 Жыл бұрын
if that was true, Teslas would have hundreds of fsd accidents every day. Not everything that exists in real world is represented correctly, so cones stand for different object the car wants to avoid. Finally it's the result that counts and you can see that Teslas lack practice and not lidar.
@mathew32673 ай бұрын
The ego of these tech companies is unbelievable.
@celebrityrog11 ай бұрын
I can tell you this much, if Elon is saying it's not needed and is unnecessary and expensive, then you know it actually is needed, is necessary and isn't expensive in the long run. People like him skirt safety in the name of innovation and cost cutting measures to become profitable - Look what happened to Stockton Rush, who thought the same way. LiDAR is amazing, and it gives a much more accurate level of distance measurement, 3D rendering and capability than any camera.
@Zripas9 ай бұрын
Tesla cars are the most safe cars in the world... Like... What the hell are you talking about? And please, enliothing us, which human organ is equivalent to Lidar? If there is none then does it mean that no humans should be allowed to drive any cars due to increased risks?
@ayeameen Жыл бұрын
Forget about self driving. Radar has been reliable for basic collision avoidance and even Toyota Corolla now have it. Tesla removed it and now the cars are plagued with phantom braking and not failed to brake in actual obstacle or human. That is possibly a major factor for higher insurance cost to Tesla owners.
@stevefriebel243711 ай бұрын
Yes, yes, yes, we need self driving cars, and those self driving cars will need LiDAR! Injuries & deaths from traffic crashes will be greatly reduced when we have self driving cars. As a 70-year-old who loves to take road trips across our beautiful country I know those road trips will get shorter and shorter as my skills diminish over time. I’m counting on self driving cars to be able to continue my journeys!
@jonathancunningham87396 ай бұрын
Hate to break it to you 4 is the end goal 5 is not possible nor is it even being worked on you may have a very expensive and optional auto pilot in the future that is all.
@jwstinthesky2677 Жыл бұрын
Of course he's 100% wrong, there's no need to give it a second thought.
@87TechReviews8 ай бұрын
Is there a reason you chose not to compare the number of crashes per one million miles for Tesla like you did with Waymo?
@pedroteixeira2333 Жыл бұрын
Who think safety was “expensive” was the guy in Titan
@DmitrijPaskevic Жыл бұрын
Better public transportation/infrastructure and less reliance on cars - it's what you need.
@chrissolace Жыл бұрын
Tesla seems to be on that path of improving cruise control basically. It will be really really good, but still need human control. Other companies with LIDAR seem to be towards fully autonomous. Edit: And I think the statistics provided in the video say it for themselves which company is more successful. I think the tech will get cheaper and will probably become more affordable for regular consumers to get. That seems more reasonable than just relying on cameras. I have a (non-Tesla) car with 360° FOV and I’ll say it’s really nice for sure! But in rain or darkness… cameras don’t work. They rely on the car’s lights in the dark. In heavy rain, you better roll down your windows. I put a minor scratched on my car from my mailbox because I overly relied on the car’s cameras and couldn’t see the mailbox in the dark and rain.
@phoozle Жыл бұрын
You realise LiDAR cannot see in fog, dust, rain or snow. Thats why it's a dead end for truly autonomous cars, the reporter didn't even cover that side of the technology.
@chrissolace Жыл бұрын
@@phoozle I actually didn’t! Thanks for the info! I still think it would be better than just cameras though.
@bigred8982 Жыл бұрын
I’d rather have better public transit than self-driving taxis.
@TheNJK57 Жыл бұрын
I miss the Tech Verge guy
@John-yw5cgАй бұрын
Im always amazed how misleading these videos are. If I knew nothing about autonomous vehicles I would walk away thinking Waymo and Crisue are superior to Tesla because they use LiDAR and Tesla uses cameras. You can create a 3-D environment using both technologies. It’s about who has the better software. Waymo and Cruise can only operate in two cities. Teslas can operate anywhere. When it comes to autonomy, scale matters and nobody can touch Tesla on this. They have the right approach and Waymo and Cruise do not.
@hwillia2042 ай бұрын
Waymo has tons of Lidar and Cameras, including remote people controlling the car, and it cannot go anywhere geo-fenced! Tesla camera vision can drive anywhere, and it works way better than Waymo and others, including Byd!!!
@ralphneuman59106 ай бұрын
This video didnt age very well.
@matthewshields Жыл бұрын
I don’t like Tesla, but I believe they have the most advanced autonomous driving system. LiDAR is expensive, not as aerodynamic and Computer Vision is simpler. Computer Vision is all autonomous cars need because that’s all people need. Also, your car crash argument is misleading at best, and malfeasance at worst. Telsa is way larger than Waymo and has more vehicles that can operate almost everywhere unlike Waymo’s cherry-picked areas.
@jaffar1234 Жыл бұрын
I don't believe that some people are really still taking Elon Musk's opinion on LiDAR seriously. This man proved over and over again that he doesn't know anything about the stuff he is talking about in any subject.
@woodswoods76216 ай бұрын
Bait and switch....Autopilot accidents....but you didn't mention statistics from FULL SELF DRIVING.
@Darknight-ss9xl Жыл бұрын
I don't know about Lidar vs Comp vision and frankly neither do these journalists. However this article is 101 of human psychology and manipulation. 1. The data compared between Waymo and Tesla is not like for like (no total miles driven mentioned for Tesla). Although the font and styling used is similar to make it seem like it is. 2. They say "experts say" that use of Radar would have prevented Tesla accidents and follow it up with "But we are not saying Radar would have prevented these accidents". Fooling the listener to think this is a neutral view. Classic manipulation!