Life Is A Simulation Prison! - Death, Parallel Universes, Spacetime & Consciousness | Donald Hoffman

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Ever wondered if we're living in a simulation? Or questioned the true potential of AI and its consciousness?
In today’s episode of Impact Theory, Donald Hoffman, a cognitive scientist and consciousness expert, is here to challenge your understanding of reality and consciousness.
Hoffman’s proposed theory of consciousness flips your everyday assumptions about what reality is on their head, arguing that our perceptions of what we experience in the physical world aren’t as real as you’d like to think.
Do you think it’s possible life is a simulation and we’re in some version of a virtual reality headset?
The metaphor of the virtual headset explains why our experiences are limited and there are things like freewill that we never truly experience. And if that’s not heavy enough for you, Hoffman brings mathematical equations into the picture to explain that all consciousness is mathematically structured.
Some of the topics we touch on include:
- Is cause and effect real?
- The God hypothesis and consciousness
- Why your reality isn’t real
- The truth behind consciousness
- How evolution hides the matrix
- Testing reality & spacetime
- Can you actually escape the matrix?
Whether you're keen on technology, interested in the mysteries of consciousness, or just love a good intellectual challenge, this episode is a complete crash course into the world of Donald Hoffman and the illusion of space, time and reality.
Hoffman's insights can help you see the world from a radically different perspective, inspiring you to question your assumptions, and rethink your understanding of “reality”.
Chapter Markers:
[0:00] You are an avatar
[34:39] Space & time isn’t real?
[1:16:22] How you live in the matrix
[2:02:37] How evolution hides the truth
[2:36:50] Why you’re not self-aware
[3:22:51] Consciousness & the beyond
Powerful Insights From Donald Hoffman:
“Behind spacetime there is an incredibly complicated realm to explore.”
“Consciousness is the ability to have experiences like the taste of chocolate.”
“What we are, are avatars of the one effectively and the one awareness is exploring all of its possibilities through different avatars.”
“No system can completely know itself.”
"You may be smarter than Einstein, but if you don't actually put yourself using the tools of mathematics and so forth, that genius will never actually flower in the sense of reaching all the potential implications of what it means. And so that's why we do science the way we do it, with mathematical precision, because for two reasons. If our ideas are good, we probably don't understand all their implications, and so the math will come back and it'll be our teacher. And second, certainly our ideas have their limits, and it's hard for us to understand what the limits are."
"What we believe does not really affect fundamentally what we see."
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[@michalkocis8934]

Dont worry Tom, 99 percent of ppl get it :)

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[@innerlight617]

Dr Hoffman is not only a brilliant scientist,he is also a lovable person.

[@gofai274]

Yeah if i whole world would be copy of donald hoffman like clone that has bit different experiences , that could actually whole world that doesn't toally suck ass

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

Truth!

[@martinkoolch938]

I had a really vivid dream. About 20 years ago I'm 50 now.when I was in my co-worker's body . I saw how he sees the world through his eyes and it was so incredible that it was like being on another planet and seeing everything completely differently. His feelings were his attitude to things was completely different from mine.

[@0ptimal]

Hey thats cool. N i think its telling you something, a glimpse of deeper truth. In all my years of obsessive examination i have a very strong compulsion to believe that whatever this place is, perspective is at the core. That if the grand truth of reality were revealed it would say something like "it was always about perspective." Our little individual unique universes we hold in our.. being.. are somehow something important to whatever this place really is.

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

"We are are all one interconnected consciousness, experiencing itself through different avatars" - Donald Hoffman 🙌

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

What happened? How did you see things out of his body?

[@michaelt1775]

It wasn't a dream you were just seeing yourself on s different timeline

[@keepsie35]

my daughter said something similar to me when she was about 6. We were walking alongside a river and I watched as she ran up ahead of me on the path. She then comes back and says "oh, that was so weird! I saw myself running up ahead, but I saw it from your eyes"

[@boltaj9333]

Hoffman's ability to explain his work has improved so much over the last few years. 4 hours..... This should be fantastic!!!

[@Earthad23]

He’s does great, these concepts are so hard to grasp unless you ask the right questions.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

Yeah his go to answer used to be the word Math. Now he gets into the theorising more.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

@@Earthad23 These concepts are impossible to grasp short of actual experience, and even then can't really be explained outside of clumsy analogies.

[@Earthad23]

@@justasimpleguy7211 What’s so interesting is that so many aspects of these experiences are trans personal, it’s not just the contents of our minds, theres the archetypal narrative that we can all talk about.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

@@Earthad23 Here's the problem with intellectual discourse on what I would call the Absolute. I can say I had a flash of realization, realizing I was Water and not merely a wave. What does that even mean to someone who has not had such a direct experience? The best analogy I can come up with is the waking equivalent of a lucid dream. In a lucid dream waking consciousness is unveiled, revealing the unreal nature of dream reality. In the waking equivalent something else in unveiled, revealing the unreal nature of waking reality. Rupert Spira calls it the Shining Light of Pure Knowing. As Swami Vivekananda said "Everything is not. God alone Is". I'd correlate God to the Shining Light of Pure Knowing. That's all there really is and it appears as people and animals and trees and mountains and lakes and rivers and planets and stars and galaxies. Muktananda said something like "Earth, Sun, Moon and stars revolve inside me" and I'd equate me to God AKA the Shining Light of Pure Knowing AKA Pure Consciousness.

[@MishaLan23]

Hoffman genuinely played a huge role in my retreat from a pretty cold atheistic worldview that left me with loads of existential dread. Realizing that the assumption that consciousness arises from matter was baked into to all beliefs and doesn’t actually have any solid evidence was the first step. Now I feel wonder again like I did before I spent those years sure that this was all there is. Appreciate his work and personality immensely.

[@marcg1043]

why have you cut this video so randomly? It seems to be a mix of 4 interviews and you have totally jumbled up the logical flow, which makes it extremely difficult to follow.

[@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon]

​@@marcg1043who are you talking to?

[@ammi7462]

I'm in the same boat. Been an atheist my whole life, didn't like how religions dictated peoples lives (still don't like that). But I always pondered upon what made reality exist, and atheism didn't answer the question, because there is always a follow-up question which it can't answer. Atheism in it's most condensed sense is the rejection of deities, or God. But in order to reject something - you kind of need to define exactly what your are trying to reject. God migth be impossible to define, and to ants we humans are practically deities - ants couldn't even comprehend what we actually are. Being more spiritually open ignites the seek for answers more than being a hardcore atheist - more scientists should try it 🙂. But being religious can be just as bad as being an atheist; if you think about it, it's is really the same thing - and it makes you stop seeking answers. Being spiritual for me equates to being curious, being open to the fact that reality can be so much more than what you are aware of right now.

[@kayakMike1000]

But he's wrong. Consciousness is just a thought, a pointer to something else that we really can't know. He is trying to describe something thats indescribable. You can't see your eyesvwith your eyes, best you can do is look into a mirror, but in that, you're looking at a reflection. Better yet, its like trying to taste your own tongue. His work is ultimately worthless.

[@kayakMike1000]

​@@ammi7462atheists are very religious, almost zionistic. They are evangelical too, as they often speak their "truth" to whoever will listen. Who cares, anyway. Religion/atheism are just dumb ideas that humans really like.

[@CRABlife-iv6fv]

If we're in a simulation, and I created my own simulation, I am a crappy programmer.😂

[@XffTheGrid411]

Practice makes perfect! 😂

[@jdmurfreesboro2738]

Ya where’s the reset button.. 😆

[@user-kp7xg1yi6k]

Just a C+++ programmer hai

[@PamalaClift]

Tell my how many times can you play tic tac toe and not get bored? You don’t know how many times you have run this life. You started as a beginner, then you move up to the next level of difficulty cause… just like lifting weights you wish to get stronger.

[@ryanharvey9800]

we all know where the reset button is but majority of us dont have the courage to press it lol ​@@jdmurfreesboro2738

[@MrVito1180]

My own theory is that consciousness is form of energy. Like electricity, it manifest itself in each one of us like electricity does on a light bulb. Once the light bulb (our body) breaks, the consciousness goes away or joins a pool of consciousness (the source/god)

[@peripheralparadox4218]

Same. Except that it is inseparable from all forms of energy and form. So it’s not just the electricity, but absolutely everything, and the electricity in the light bulb is the conscious part of consciousness, whereas the make up of the universe is a different level of consciousness, such as the consciousness and intelligence of plants for example.

[@MX-CO]

But where does it go? Perhaps you are born again, maybe as a human, maybe as a dolphin or a lion. Or a tree or a blade of grass. Who knows. Perhaps in your next life your a tree and you have your memories and life experiences to ponder for the next 100 years

[@user-nj9ru4ef2w]

consciousness isn't energy, it's more like a law of physics, like gravity or electromagnetic energy. But it is very localized in that it only acts on the matter that makes up you. We could also think of it as information; for example, you're reading this on your computer or phone or whatever, but that light that's emitted from those devices is only what's representing the information, it's not the information itself. Information has no location or matter; it also can't directly affect the material world. However, it definitely exists and is even more fundamental than material itself.

[@MarkDaviesThailand]

Yup, consciousness is not in the body, the body is within consciousness. The body is a life-support for the brain which is the antenna that plugs us into consciousness!

[@ThuyTran-ci2et]

Love it!

[@BodhisattvaMagic]

I can't stop watching...3 more hours to go...mind-bendingly insanely FASCINATING

[@Axiomatic75]

If you enjoyed this podcast as much as I did, allow me to recommend you some more (if you don't already know them). It's the 3 episodes of the Lex Friedman podcast where he has Joscha Bach as a guest. I must've listened 10 times to each of them by now and still find gems that previously eluded me.

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

right?!

[@marcg1043]

i have just finished the 4h…and all I can say is “4 more hours! 4 more hours! 4 more …..”

[@j.vincento7152]

Google JOHNNY VINCENTO get HOW TO ACTUALLY TELEPORT THROUGH DIMENSIONS AND VISIT OTHER WORLDS. I would like to be a guest on this show someday.

[@j.vincento7152]

​@@marcg1043I am the leading physicist of THE TELEPORTATION PROJECT Google JOHNNY VINCENTO get HOW TO ACTUALLY TELEPORT THROUGH DIMENSIONS AND VISIT OTHER WORLDS I would like to be a guest on this show someday. People need to know what was discovered. We never die for one thing. Just get an immortal body to the vibration frequency overlapping world thar our particles are equal to. Good and evil positive to negative are frequencies of vibration.

[@GRSM000]

"I wanna talk a lot and by the way i invited Hoffman to listen to me"

[@user-xi9qt8wp6y]

Sounds about right lol

[@ryanviningtube]

Is there a Hoffman-Eric Weinstein conversation anywhere? Humanity and physics need this

[@Globaldave1970]

Don't think I could take it, lol.

[@jeffjohnson2307]

Get this guy a Nobel prize! Mr. Hoffman is extremely humble. 100% the smartest man I’ve ever seen

[@OOO-pc3nb]

Sorry, Joe says Hunter is the smartest guy.

[@cassiopeia6343]

😂😂😂​@@OOO-pc3nb

[@gofai274]

Yeah i am tired of all intellectuals and arrogant high IQ ppl and ignorant ppl, or copers. Most ppl either turn to science or religion or both... And science is largerly social endeavour and about pride - De Ropp's science game. Not many ppl can just talk about facts with open mind, even if they are polite they will bring up this whole Jenga Tower in which 1 small simple thing is tied to net of their believes which is like dynamic in social groups. But genius can see things in disinterested way from ego and objectively - Arthur SChopenahuer

[@barryyoung]

Why he’s proven nothing

[@gofai274]

@@barryyoungLOOOOOOOL if you listened science is not about proof, also "i have not failed 1000 times, i proven 1000 things that don't work" edison

[@Shnikey]

Donald is referring to Dr. Sam Parnia MD PhD, Cardiopulmonary resuscitation specialist who not only discovered that it was the perfusion process that was killing people we were trying to bring back to life, but now has conducted AWARE studies; global studies finding evidence for conscious experience after clinical death - up to an hour after death before being brought back to life - that correlates with EEG brain activity. People have access to all memories at one time and they undergo very similar life review processes. The brain undergoes a process of disinhibition, with many areas active at once. Quite amazing. This interview must be older because Donald has already appeared in Sam Parnia’s video on consciousness. Look up Parnia Lab on KZbin if you’re interested.

[@cristiangaban960]

While the brain is not rotten , when it decays it's bye bye .

[@Shnikey]

@@cristiangaban960 lol 👋🏻

[@tim59ism]

Yes he has evidence of consciousness many minutes, tens of minutes after the heart has stopped but it's not the brain reorganising itself, even though he said it was correlated with spikes on the EEG generated by intense CPR and drugs. Consciousness appears to be something else.

[@Shnikey]

@@tim59ism are you an academic by any chance?

[@cristiangaban960]

@@tim59ism Ever seen that video of a snake that was beheaded and its head bites the body and the body instantly tries to bite back ? Snakes can do it for hours after they have been killed. Yet still, there's no consciousness in the snake the next day. Some decaying brain still reacting to electricity and drugs is no evidence, in fact it points to the idea that consciousness is tied to matter and doesn't operate independently. If a broken phone that has a dead processor still lights a small led light or produces a sound, we wouldn't think the same.

[@maddyman1008]

Take in the case of being with your wife, or your pets.....there is a sense of a shared essence. An "isness" that you can FEEL....when you stare in their eyes. A unity of Being that is palable and causes most to turn away when looking at anothers eyes, because facing yourself is scary. You feel exposed and vulnerable. That moment, before turning away....is it. That's what its doing. Getting lost in the game to find THAT moment....seeing itself purely. Like a "gotcha" in hide and seek!

[@PamalaClift]

Tom, I love that you bring these deep obscure insights for our online access, but it does require a continuous flow to follow even remotely correctly, however with advertisements popping up every 2 min or so, it craps all over the whole purpose of the endeavor.

[@KevinBurns86]

That and sometimes Tom, I feel talks too much, rather then let his guests talk.

[@mattw4176]

Pay the monthly KZbin sub fee and you won't get adverts interrupting all the time.

[@30guarino]

Paying the premium has nothing to do with his ‘in house Ads’ I hate that so much ….

[@Isaac.Rochester]

Agreed. I’m all for monetization of content, but the ads on this one were overwhelming. Tried to listen to this while on a run and had to stop to skip an ad every few minutes.

[@ChatGPT1111]

@@30guarinoI just tap through those in-house ads on my ipad, takes about 5 seconds.

[@marcg1043]

Don better and better and better….Every year his theories get more substance, more meat and he does such a tremendous job explaining all of the surrounding theories to us laymen. thank you so much. I have been following Don for 4 years and learned so much in the process of listening to his conversations. What a tremendous researcher, brilliant mind and outstanding teacher. I say teacher because by talking publicly he gives everyone the chance to listen to world class lectures on ground breaking knowledge. ❤🎉 His brilliance is only surpassed by his humbleness about his own achievements and capabilities. A truely great mind and person. I really hope his work will at some stage be honoured in the way it deserves to be. Well Tom is giving him a massive pltform also helps.

[@FokkerPilot42]

So, If I understand correctly, the Planck length is the native display resolution of our headsets, beyond which we are not capable of seeing. And beneath that we theorize the amplituhedron below which are permutations. It seems to me that if those "apparently more fundamental" structures are non-dynamic that would inherently imply no arrow of time exists for them and each "instant of time" we perceive is a fixed rendering (frame) of that structural configuration. like a cosmic zoetrope spinning in our headsets..difficult stuff to wrap one's thoughts around but truly fascinating.

[@y5mgisi]

I'm on the same page with Hoffman in regards to the point of life is just to experience life. It all goes to the one. Which takes care of the problem of evil, as the one's desire seems to be to have every experience possible. In the eyes of the one, there is no good or bad. That's my thoughts.

[@I_dreamed_my_name_was_Brandon]

Doesn't the existence of "one" imply that there could be "two" or "three" etc? If there is no evil, then how do you explain the thought process that gave rise to explain what evil is, due to the dreadful emotions certain individuals feel when committing what would be called evil acts? If "the one" does not know evil, then why does the concept of evil exist?

[@y5mgisi]

@@I_dreamed_my_name_was_Brandon I'm not sure if one implies more than one. Perhaps it could. In regards to evil, if your goal was to have every experience it's possible to have, evil portrayed by and to someone would be part of that.

[@I_dreamed_my_name_was_Brandon]

@@y5mgisi no doubt, but the question was why does the concept of evil exist if there is no evil? Wouldn't this be a conceptualization formed by the one?

[@y5mgisi]

@@I_dreamed_my_name_was_Brandon because I'm my mind, the one wants to experience ALL experience. In somewhat the same way we like to watch scary movies where violence is perpetrated against people. So evil things being done still falls under the category of all experience. That's my thoughts. In part I think this because of the way nature itself often perpetrates violence against people and animals. God or the one or whatever is OK with it happening when it happens by chance, so why not when it happens intentionally.

[@pekkalaurila4599]

My view on this is that we are basically counciousness witnessing itself thru different life forms, singularity experiencing duality. My personal inner journey has taken my to a place where I feel oneness with everything and something more than this limited body and mind

[@franktothemax]

Hoffman is what introduced me to this podcast. So pumped to see him back AGAIN! I like to see how these convos shape Tom’s outlook so even on these repeat guests, he’s kinda approaching it from a new POV

[@JGjdg74]

Same!!!

[@eloradanan1837]

Mr. Hoffman talks about how trivial and limiting this experience is, as an expansive conscious being. But what if that is the challenge? To quote the movie Aladdin....“Phenomenal Cosmic Powers! Itty Bitty Living Space!” Clearly you and I accepted the challenge. We are such bad ass! 💪💪

[@michaeljohno]

My take on it is consciousness is essentially everywhere (at least around us) and we are submerged in it, this conscious substrate, and form our own “sub” consciousness being created specific to us individually as our body/brain processes/filters it specifically to how our own unique selfs are formed. We don’t actually have a unique consciousness, we just process the same consciousness differently being all structured differently from one another appearing to have our own unique consciousness. When our human form ceases to exist we can no longer filter/process the singular consciousness hence losing our “unique consciousness” and ourselves as we know it to be. It was never ours to begin with, we all share the same one

[@Stierenkloot]

My take is you’re a fool.

[@PamalaClift]

In my book, this is a simulation consciousness but was constructed to be an exercise machine for the soul. You remember what you learned but have no more ties to this earthly reality than after you finish a game. LIVE you life don’t leave the gym early. Finish your work out just don’t fear.

[@oakson3045]

That’s quite profound and useful, thanks for sharing.

[@Earthad23]

Imagine you could do everything you wanted? It would get boring.

[@PamalaClift]

@@Earthad23 Exactly. If you were an all knowing being who could split itself into individual components to experience different things, what would you want to learn from these new subroutines? You would want something new and creative, a different viewpoint. The ultimate vision would be to have someone of comparable intellect to eventually talk to. Lol Just my opinion.

[@kenelkind1857]

Groovism the common, instinctual, mask factor ?

[@kenelkind1857]

@@PamalaCliftGroove On!!

[@jamesstaggs4160]

"Reason is telling us the limits of itself. Logic cannot get to all truths". That's the exact same thing I've been telling anyone who is a material reductionist (something I myself was for a time). There are aspects of our reality that aren't logical or reasonable, and they tend to be the most fundamental aspects of reality that can't be explained and understood through logic and reason. They're really great at explaining what they can be but try to imagine how time began. You can't because there's always another "before" so you get infinite regression. Try to imagine whether physical space is finite or infinite. Neither make any sense. The fact that anything exists at all is absolutely incredible and mind blowing. Also pretty much everything and every process can be broken down into it's constitute parts and they can be broken down themselves. There's one phenomenon that cannot be broken down- awareness, specifically the awareness that you exist. Call it consciousness if you like. It has no smaller parts and as far as we know we can't pinpoint where that takes place in the brain. I think that's because it's non local. The things which can be done with it can be pointed to in various parts of the brain, but take away all of the senses, sight, hearing, tasting, smelling and feeling. Then take away any memories and language. You'll still be aware that you exist. You don't have any framework with which you can describe it but it's there. It doesn't need any concepts to exist. I think that's a clue that it's the fundamental "thing" upon which everything else is built.

[@jamesstaggs4160]

I think it's the opposite. You can't have memory until you have awareness. The awareness is the observer and the awareness creates the memory. All memory does is to assist the awareness in organizing what it sees into concepts. I don't know how you'd measure this but there's got to be a moment in the life of any organism where it "boots up" for the first time and hasn't yet received any stimuli with which it can form any memories. It would be vanishingly small period of time but it would have to be there since any stimuli it receives from the outside world has to be recognized by it's nerves then transmitted to the brain which then decides what to do with them, unless we're talking about genetic "memory" since pretty much everything comes with some kind of programming. It's even possible that memory is non local as well, like Jung's collective unconscious or the "Akashik records" (probably spelled that wrong and I don't know how much I buy the Akashik thing but it would be an accurate model if memory is non local). I know damage to the hippocampus interferes with the formation of new memories and the retrieval of old memories but if my hard drive's spindle is damaged the data is still on the platters or if my computer loses it's connection to a network which holds all the data it's been accessing the server is still there my computer just can't talk to it.

[@aleksmartini4]

Dr Hoffman is a true gem. He’s very humble and knows how to break it down to be digestible.

[@GxAxMxExOxVx3xR]

I love Donald keeps coming back up with his insight + longer episodes to square it up

[@mihaelaulieru3063]

Tom is speaking for "The rest of us", enabling us to understand super-complex paradigms - and this podcast is one of the best in this regard. At point 2:16:00 Tom gives the very best explanation for the novice to understand the theory behind the "reality is non-local" paradigm shift which was awarded the Nobel Prize last year and is at the foundation of "The Case Against Reality" made by Donald Hoffman in his groundbreaking work on Consciousness as being fundamental. Thank you for taking the time to dig deeply into this to bring us light on the crucial truth!

[@soprannaturale]

You speak in an almost religious tone when you say these things and act as if you couldn't understand them yourself if you simply took the time to read the white papers. I'm pretty sure you can for instance I'm horrible at math yet I was able to understand brand new white papers that I was reading about how to create a quantum algorithm.

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

Don's Nobel prize is coming one day...

[@mariazanardi5852]

This is so perfect. I'm going to keep watching it until it actually registers in my mind.

[@spiritofMongan]

I luv the way these too can draw each other out so the conversation gets real.

[@karenwood8423]

This is exactly the sort of analysis MOST needed! Not being versed in math or science, my focus is meditation/direct experience. YOUR approach may profoundly benefit SO many beings and reduce much suffering. Such a blessing!

[@frankwhite1816]

So good! Thank you Tom and Donald! Amazing conversation. Tom is getting better and better and better at interviewing and Donald is getting better and better at explaining his work. LOVE THIS SO MUCH!! You all made my month! 🙂

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

Yeah, they are both at the top of their game!

[@ShortsAndSpookies]

STOP CUTTING OFF HIS EXPLANATIONS WITH YOUR NARCISSISTIC INTERRUPTIONS. JUST LET HIM FINISH HIS THOUGHTS FFS!

[@tudormarian72]

Thank you!!

[@pauladiaz7101]

He should just interview himself

[@olianderson1606]

Used to watch this channel a lot but Tom has bought too much into his own hype nowadays

[@thecontroversialcontrarian5063]

One could perceive that he narcissistic but another point of view is that he is trying to help his viewers relate. I don’t mind his interpretations for the most part.

[@thecontroversialcontrarian5063]

@@JaneSmith-nothingness I agree to a point but the data shows there is a significant portion of the population that cannot understand these concepts outside of poorly crafted metaphors. First order thinking is no small feat. Just trying to have relative perspective. and yes, Lex Fridman’s interview is so much better.

[@bryancoombesart]

If you want to prove to yourself that time is an artifact of consciousness (your awareness) and that objectively your essence exists in a timeless state is that you can manipulate time by being in the moment, or be in a state of bliss, doing what you love, time will subjectively appear faster. Do something you "hate" you slow down time for yourself as you count the seconds. Your attention dictates your experience. So if you hate something, trade hate for curiosity, find something in that moment that is blissful, interesting or loving, and experience time flow. I have been playing with this and you will at times physically transport yourself, and you won't need shrooms or weed. D Hoffman Rocks

[@kathycater1976]

I just would like to tell you thank you I really needed to hear this. Wow very well said I can feel what you are saying. I love you.❤

[@bryancoombesart]

@@kathycater1976 I love you right back fellow traveller

[@Togetherland]

Thanks a million for these conversations Tom. What struck me as I'm listening early on about the nature of the one ... re infinite exploration of its self because it's fun etc .. The definition I use for syntropy is: the one's tendency to form whole systems of greater complexity, joy and freedom.. If you look at how Donald sees entropy as being the consequence of the one projecting its self into a UI and the information loss in that process... then.. it's easy to see how the reality fundamentally sourcing our spacetime experience would be syntropic. That's why Donald talks about the end of fame theory as we know it etc in this realm beyond, before, within and around spacetime. There's no lack or scarcity etc in this fundamental realm which is essentially syntropic. My sense is that the one does what it does because it is what it is. It's a creative, loving, free being willing to risk it all for the sake of the play, of the expansion, of the creativity.

[@aaronmeinke8019]

Im def using a bad headset. I swear ive seen this interview

[@ZendelWashington]

yes

[@iamenso]

Yeah 3rd time I think…it’s not a new video he just combined old interviews and reposted 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@sadsky4811]

Thank you! I was just asking this same question. I thought this was an old interview.

[@user-kp7xg1yi6k]

Oh the headphones 🎧 or Head space yes

[@Hanna_Hoh]

Maybe we’re all psychic?

[@RavenTD46]

"They're real as a data structure." I'm going to use this line for so many things.

[@MrGuanyin]

Thank you both for holding these conversations. I really appreciate Tom for asking questions and offering different opinions and perspectives. It creates the space for Dr Hoffman to reiterate in different ways.

[@GBlunted]

I love these Impact Theory talks with Hoffman! Been following this theory since I first seen him on Lex Friedman and how these talks just keep us up to date and help me understand it in a continually deeper way is just awesome! Would love to see you have Stephen Wolfram on in the same way because he's a physicist doing real science and he also really works just as hard at being able to communicate his ideas in the most understandable ways possible and i think does a good job! Also his theory on the Ruliad has definite points of commonality with Hoffman's headset working on things more fundamental than space-time... And in fact the Ruliad may be the thing Hoffman is looking for in which space-time emerges from? But I would love to see Tom and Stephen have a new conversation please! 🙏🏾😄

[@TracyUnplugged]

I ❤ Donald Hoffman! He is so informative and yet so humble regarding his knowledge of consciousness.

[@voiceanddrum]

Each time Tom says “why would consciousness do that?” I have the thought that consciousness would be formless so an experience within form would be interesting. An exploration perhaps. It’s an interesting question. In fact, lots of interesting questions here. I get the feeling Tom works hard to understand what he can understand and he tries to bring that to the table in order to have a real conversation with someone like Don. Not so much arrogance as former comments lean toward…we all perceive others through the distortions of our own lens.

[@mannequinskywalker]

Always a pleasure to hear Hoffman's ideas - longtime TOE channel watcher & found him there. New to this channel & I wish this vid had started off where they actually began talking/some level of intro bc it feels like a huge jump for anyone new to his ideas or this channel to deep dive in first few minutes.

[@Dggb2345]

Big thanks to all involved for figuring this out.

[@danielasigner3058]

This conversation goes well when intoxicated ( I'm afraid)

[@Earthad23]

It’s weird how that works.

[@5piles]

color doesnt rise outside the skull nor inside the skull from protein, water, fat, electricity.

[@JGjdg74]

YAY! Another Hoffman video. This made my week!!! ❤😊

[@timolson7521]

Much of this brings to mind Berkeley’s Idealism with a divine consciousness perpetually maintaining the ‘simulation’

[@andruseugene]

Tom, thank you for bringing up the most important topics in life. Awesome.

[@JohnConstantineRTP]

I’ve always had a lot of these views and beliefs similar to Donald, I always was made to feel crazy when I tried to talk to both theists and atheists. I’m really glad he can explain this stuff to a wide audience far more articulately than I could

[@bigcauc7530]

Dogmatic belief systems are the worst. It's one of the negative aspects of humanity as a whole. We have advanced, but not nearly enough to think critically as a species.

[@joab757]

Donald Hoffman. Watch every podcast he does. Trying to keep up with the science looking for our new foundation of reality.

[@TheNickStandleaShow]

There is something new in every interview Don does 😉

[@HugoMachine]

This paradox in these conversations is that explaining reality and realizing that it is all a simulation is a simulation in itself. Start to grasp that and you'll find the "Golden Key".

[@iambatman89]

“Nothing is lost by moving on” - I love this!

[@cagnazzo82]

4 hours? Podcasts are the new movies. Well, ok then I guess 🍿

[@puseletsoish]

It's day 2 and im still listening lol

[@paaao]

This is like the philosophical thought experiment where coming up with a proof that you love your children. Love is not quantifiable, and it's also a natural state that does not require logic or reasoning to reach and experience. Hatred is different. Reasons and logics are required to develop feelings of hatred. One is in tune with nature, while the other emotion is not. One requires space-time, and energy to experience. The other is a glimpse of the greater truth. Telling the truth as opposed to telling lies will run you down a similar path. One requires a logical reasoning and intention. The other does not.

[@tomjones682]

wow...that's beautiful! I'm going to screenshot that...

[@paaao]

Thanks for the comment! The issue I have with this, is most people draw the wrong conclusion when they hear the term simulation. Space-time is more like Plato's cave than anything else. It's a projection, or shadow of the absolute. It must still ultimately follow nature's way, which is eternal and unified. The way, the one, total consciousness, God, etc... Any sense of self will ultimately perish, because there is no you. We are all the same thing, which is the greater consciousness. However, there can be no experience at the level of totality. The one must divide in the only way it knows how, and really the only way possible. The divide, or the projection requires what we refer to as energy (doing work). It's technically the loss of energy (inertia), but this can become difficult to explain. Phi plays a major role in this. Phi is the only number (ratio) that when 1 is added, it becomes phi squared. When 1 is subtracted from phi, you get it's inverse, or 1/phi. This is why the golden ratio shows up over and over in nature. You can picture love and hate as being a ratio of division, 1 : phi. Love always wins in the grand scheme. Just like truth vs lies, good vs evil. Returning to the one (infinite potential, love, truth, good, etc...) requires no energy. It is what comes once energy is spent, and there is no more left to divide and remove from the whole. Actualization, and pure potential. We are all pieces of the one, actualizing on our own behalf. On behalf of the one. Our nature is to fulfill our duty, and return to potential. Gathering knowledge that the one cannot permanently grasp. It's like two sides of a coin, and the ride doesn't stop, the coin never sits, it only spins. So, to say simulation, kind of falls short. Projection, or holographic model, is more accurate. What you do matters. If you're spending energy trying to remain separated from the one, you are essentially fighting a losing battle against all that is, and all that creates. The one has many projections, and they range from beautiful to terrifying. Those in tune with the one, have no desire to participate in the actualizations that run counter to nature's way. Those not in tune with the one, crave the imbalance, and eventually must return (after death) to continue their desire for imbalance. They return to new realities further from the truth, in order to fully expend their desire to experience the opposite of the truth. Religions dub this quest as karma, hell, etc... The take away is learn all you can. Be kind, love others, and try to not try to do good. True love, kindness, and goodness does not require effort, and the pay off is being able to experience places (projections/simulations) that are far more rewarding and congruent with the one's nature. Magnetism (N pole to N pole) is the one's division into space-time and force/energy expenditure. Dielectric acceleration (N pole to S pole) is the return to the one. Inertia. Anti space time. Exponential acceleration without energy expended. The dielectric field is the one. It is the only way to "see" beyond space-time. The field is unified, and does not come from within the projection. It creates, and eventually collapses it. Science will hopefully get there one day. (Also I am completely wrong, since nothing can be fully known from within the projections of the one) It's the small glimpses of the truth that are important.

[@Streetwerxgarage]

The combination and permutation explanation is so mind blowing that we never think of that as part of the whole

[@atticusmyser3308]

The best summation of a long podcast I have seen to date! Well done!

[@jamesstaggs4160]

We die all the time. The child that I was is dead. Who I was ten years ago is dead. I'm aware that they existed but they're no longer "here" . We die every time we sleep. If I rejoined "source" just like I'm aware that I existed in the past while I'm a human I'll be aware of the experience I had as a human. That human will be gone but it's no different than the changes a child goes through to become an old man. The child saw things very different than what the old man does but the old man is still aware he was a child once. I highly doubt we'd become less conscious if we rejoined the source. We'd retain the awareness of being human. We probably will become aware of the different times we were different humans and whatever else we were. I think all that dies when we do is the idea that we're a permanent "thing" instead of the reality that we're a process. Maybe you'll lose a sense of a separate self how you think of it now but I don't know about you but the few times I felt as if I were part of something larger than myself and my sense of being separated was turned down it was great. Isn't that what you're doing in this video and we do every time we try to communicate with others? We're trying to get the other to understand what it's like to be us whether that be telling a story or an idea we have.

[@dsego84]

That's exactly why I don't find NDEs comforting, whatever is beyond the veil I feel like might not be a continuation of myself on this plane, so the earthly me still ceases to exist. In a way I imagine it would be like awakening from a dream, and even an impactful dream is easily forgotten, so my life's experiences and moments are lost in a sense and become highly inconsequential.

[@donaldrobertson1808]

There is no headset & we do not live inside of a simulation. Imperfection is the fundamental aspect of physical reality. It is extremely noisy & too information intensive for a simulation to process. Perfection is a product of the human imagination only, . It benefits us greatly as a very useful thought tool to measure & understand existing conditions of our present reality. We must be very careful to not mistake this & other imaginary thought tools with reality

[@ginarenee1625]

Yes, this reminds me of the documentary on Hulu: “A Glitch in the Matrix.”

[@Zayden.Marxist]

Yep. Reality is fundamentally physical, and messy/complex. Perfection is something we can only conceptualize as humans after millions of years of biological and cultural evolution.

[@jutjub22]

Well said, Hoffman is becoming boring with this talk.

[@JesamisusTheJester]

This simulation is built to convince us of this being fact when it isn't. To live with limitations and walk in a narrow tunnel when there are paths with limitless space available to us to go through. Just my thoughts

[@anngerrard6364]

Don’s message to his wife was so moving.Thank you so much for sharing it. Tolle has said something about life being a dance between pure awareness and total immersion in superficial day to day life, they can both co exist in balance. If we didn’t have this belief in day to day life as reality we wouldn’t be motivated to find out the truth and understanding about awareness and consciousness. I feel this is so much more profound than what can sometimes sound like the search for more boys toys. Thanks for a great, and intense pod cast.

[@babettegeiger1591]

I love Donald Hoffman too, I think he is a genius and extraordinary to listen and watch. Thank you!

[@bobtarmac1828]

Hoffman changed all my delusions. Much thanks!! Spinoza thanks you too!

[@maddyman1008]

We were JUST talking about this on X dude. There is no such thing as coincidence, just serendipity.

[@LSD209]

I watched a video today which a guy who had died and came back stated that not only did he retain all his memories but he also had access to memories from other life's he had lived. Furthermore, some of his most impactful moments had be explained to him in a way that brought understanding and comfort, relieving him of the negativity and regret through an opposing perspective of what the outcome provided.

[@worldclassish]

I have a couple insights that ive learned from studying this thru meditation. The universe is efficient and experience does not go away. The complexity of a simulation disappears when you switch to a recording. We have incarnated a nearly infinite number of times to reach this point at nearly the top in our environment. So to equal things out you need to show some activities in the spiritual realm to provide balance to your model. This many incarnations gives rise to sharing. With sharing the entire universe can be experienced.

[@dougg1075]

Look, it took us like 70 years to prove why it is not aerodynamically impossible for the bumblebee to fly. How much longer would it take us to figure out the universe lean to your understanding by faith?

[@Airbender131090]

Ai will figure it out in a few decades

[@Earthad23]

Scientific reductionism/ Materialism is the modern day religion. People don’t realize it’s just a tool.

[@truthbetold3994]

Scary concept.. each loop through time your soul gains a level. You start over in time each death. You now are going through the time loop interacting and dealing with you from the last cycle. Or future cycle... This replays itself over and over until there are enough people to do whatever.

[@thatrugreallytiedtheroomto4537]

Interesting

[@christodd8167]

Explain this more

[@bigcauc7530]

The only thing I can say that doesn't make it scary is that if we are reincarnated, I think we are basically wiped clean so we can't remember anything. The stories of children remembering past lives, if real, may be a small glitch in the matrix that depends on each person and most of the time, they all but completely forget these memories by the time they are early teens. If they have any memories at all by the time they're old enough to reflect on them, they are extremely vague at best and probably come in the form of abstract dreams that can't be reasoned.

[@christodd8167]

why wipe our memory?@@bigcauc7530

[@5piles]

@@bigcauc7530 theyre wiped from coarse mind, since coarse mind is heavily dependent and conditioned by newly arisen sensory systems/bodies. if you develop a method of rigorously observing the mind you gain the ability to access the subtle mind, which is never wiped. just like galileo overcame folk astronomy by developing rigorous observation, likewise we need to overcome folk introspection by developing rigorous observation.

[@steveschmidt6847]

"I'd be shocked if we're right. But at least we're precise." Brilliant!

[@cfiglobal5956]

We should not cease from exploring, even if all our exploring brings us to the place we first began, and to know the place for the first time.

[@lukeclaydon6670]

Probably another silly question but how come them I can turn my head away from an object and not be able to see it but I can still reach out and touch it even though I’m not rendering it with my photoreceptors in my headset? Please enlighten my small mind. Thanks

[@trayamolesh588]

Not the real answer here probably but I would guess Hoffman meant see in the broader sense of general perception (or measurement). Also the photoreceptors don’t exist in the headset, just another artifact

[@jure994]

Every form of measurment, not just seeing counts. You saw it in your brain when u reached out, then you “saw” it with your hand - haptic sensors - you measured it.

[@paaao]

This is exactly what the eastern religions have been saying for thousands of years.

[@dieselphiend]

"all of that loving and clinging and hating and attachment and precious moments and distance and all that poof gone" - All of this stuff is perfect. There's no reason to change it.

[@MikeHughesShooter]

Wow, just scrolling through the table of contents…..This is my jam. Impetuously commenting now ,early, with excitement and anticipation definite download for a four hour hike, physical work or drive audio consumption. 😁

[@robertstan2349]

the person being interviewed should talk more than the person interviewing

[@flflflflflfl]

I disagree. It's not about how much either party talks, it's about what is being said.

[@user-wn8ov6kh8c]

If done fantastically like Tom does, he elevates the interviewee and they dance more intricately taking us into the shapes they talk about ❤

[@Earthad23]

Comments should only be positive comments.

[@FollowMagicBrad]

I’m 67 years old and have only experienced a teeny tiny sliver segment of this 3-D world. There are plenty of more things to experience before I ascend to an another level or dimension.

[@themerote]

Forget the headset, deep dive VR, your mind is in the similation. Electricity, garmenbozia

[@secretelectricity]

Yes, Tom is hard working, but his messages on this podcast would be more easily digested with a dash of humility. I too am a “know-it-all,” and get that from my father, and find it annoying to be in a room with someone who thinks they know everything. It’s a cousin of smugness. That said, enjoyed what the other gentleman had to say and believe he’s on the right path. Keep following your intuition brother. This isn’t an invitation for Tom fans to come defend him, he’s a big boy and it will be ok. It’s just a thoughtful opinion.

[@chaddy-me-boy8299]

I have a feeling that Tom AR business he’s working on is in some way a part of this thinking?

[@ZendelWashington]

………………

[@Earthad23]

If ideas are strong they can stand up to scrutiny.

[@Alix88mnm]

How dare you attack Tom.

[@basmawiswasi857]

I dont see exept humility i dont understand what smugness u r referring !! He is not the greatest host there r weaknesses but this one is really far

[@JesterofRichiousness]

Congrats on figuring it out

[@fonzo747]

I love Don! His work is so interesting. Still working on his book

[@ryang.5094]

Damn, I was just about to comment, Wow finally a longform interview on KZbin not interrupted by ad breaks from Google forcing me to pay for KZbin. Stay tuned.We’ll be back after this break!

[@emanuelortiz6945]

Tom Bilyeu is by far the best podcast, hard working, passionate, humble, authentic, thank you Mr. Bilyeu. For helping us to find always good paths, G-d bless you

[@odnilniloc]

He would be if he let the guests talk freely, rather than Tom taking up the bulk of the time talking about himself.

[@atorres11720]

Fucking hate Tom

[@michaelmarhal]

is this a new one or a reupload??

[@ericbrinton5990]

New

[@johnatchason6506]

​@TinyTardigrade460 then why does Don change shirts half way through then change back into his original shirt?

[@user-wn8ov6kh8c]

The best viewing edited for us ❤

[@michaelmarhal]

thanks all.

[@benwilde365]

Tom might be the best at taking the complicated questions and theories and separating them into digestible and somewhat simplified analogies for the 'normie' to comprehend. We are in his car while he navigates the complicated landscapes of various topics.

[@collectiveinsanity9438]

My favorite scientist. Listening TO Donald is truly mind expanding...

[@SilverLumberjack]

Tom, why are you just reuploading previous interviews all clipped together?

[@CBM64]

Yeah he seems to do that a lot

[@daveb3831]

I like coffee

[@PriusTurbo]

Coffee good.

[@Grandelavi1804]

Coffee real good.

[@SandeepSingh69annu]

Coffee too good 😂

[@italia3929]

I like crack

[@voovpauli]

Me want coffee.

[@famelesssoul]

It finally made sense. I might be a rare listener in terms of IQ but this put it into total intuitive understanding for me: Hard to word it, the measurable reality we experience is nothing more than something that sufficiently reasonably explains the passage between experiences, i feel this, then i feel that. Realitiy just gives a possible explaination between two feelings, and it gives no more than conciusness needs to get the "gist" because that would be wasted potential, why explain something complicated if you can explain it sussinctly. We might ultimately, be a thought experiment. This would also correlate with some of the more occult literature, suggesting power of manifestation, goal setting or believing in oneself might actually shape the world in powerful ways we do not yet master.

[@MrEmotional33]

Since the entropy of time is just a projection into the headset (through markovian dynamics), we could likewise assume that in near-death experiences we seem to lose those entropy, cuz usually in those realms people don´t experience time as through the headset (with a direction and distinction between past, presence and future), they usually experience it as an entirety (all at once)..

[@singlefathersurrogacy]

Wear wool socks to bed regardless of comfort for the best sleep possible

[@stvbrsn]

Interesting. I often do, but with not much deliberation or intention. I’m going to sleep with my 100% merino socks tonight.

[@bvdijk6599]

Why would I have to wear another animal's hair on my feet to sleep better?...

[@Earthad23]

Sweaty feet destroy empires.

[@HeadakusMaximus]

Was Tom feeling ok? I didn't hear him drop a single F-bomb in four hours.

[@wraithdreams]

I think life is about the experience the avatar state and experiencing things we cannot out of the realm of time in space. It's like dancing, you dance because of how it feels and not to reach to its end.

[@ChatGPT1111]

I have a problem with our having to go through thousands (perhaps millions) of years of human misery to get to where we are today. Somebody had to avatar the chimp phase and before that the reptile, amphibian and bacteria. Who has time for that?

[@jennifercausey8127]

Perhaps the most instrumental rule made by consciousness for conscious agents is to lead conscious agents into more complex systems so that it cannot determine what is outside the headset. It’s very possible that consciousness is the equivalent of the Wizard of Oz, a rather simple structure. I think this is especially true considering the most simple way to experience glimpses of consciousness is by being still and quieting the mind. Humans have created so much chaos and complexities that it’s nearly impossible us to quiet the mind.

[@5piles]

hoffman is not asserting headsets are consciousness. the opposite, consciousness is fundamental and all else including spacetime are mere emergents ie. mere headsets, available to consciousness. it is similar to mind-only buddhism but requires much more work, since buddhists dont think when you sit on a chair you are sitting on your mind!

[@adamisaac4685]

Donald: particles are things inside space time...right? Tom: me play grand theft auto?

[@spiritualityandscience]

If we were in a simulation, why would the designers allow us to develop technology that could, in theory, detect the simulation itself?

[@ForeverMasterless]

You're assuming there's a designer.

[@lizparenzan4761]

Valient effort by Tom to help Donald use more simple terms to explain his theories. I definitely manifested a headache in this universe and any alternate universe that I experienced in this talk😢

[@Meta4Monky]

Tom does a great job at framing questions with Don

[@letsif]

Four hours of reality speak. Love it

[@frankclough380]

A strange thing happened to me a few days ago, I was sitting in the living room watching my wife arrange some flowers in a vase on the table when I suddenly had the weird experience that we were in different houses. I was in a house where she is a figure in it and I could observe this figure moving about, walking from room to room, arranging flowers, doing things and I could even talk to the figure and interact with it. But my wife wasn't in a house where there is a figure of her moving about, instead she was in a house where there was a figure of me moving about, where she could observe the figure walking from room to room doing things and she could talk to this figure and interact with it. For a while I felt very strongly that I ẃas observing two separate houses each one as real as the other when my wife suddenly asked what the vase looked like and I snapped back to one house with both of us in it.

[@user-xi9qt8wp6y]

Wow, very interesting

[@user-xi9qt8wp6y]

Our mind is so much more powerful than we know

[@kA-dc6zq]

Hoffman ignited a new torch in this physical brain working here in "me". I'm going on another cycling in the desert to think more about it😊

[@v1sh22]

Fascinating conversation and Dr Hoffman really demonstrates a high degree of epistemic humility. These theories are the first steps towards proving what the Eastern traditions have been saying for 100s of years. Everything discussed here is also discussed in Hinduism, just without the mathematical framework. As Dr Hoffman says, if there is a reality beyond space-time how would we even perceive OF it. I also have an intuitive feeling geometry is the secret to it all but can we get to the base set of rules, that give rise to almost infinite emerging complexity of this reality, by studying just the resulting geometry is an interesting question. The ultimate utility of this information is unknown but interesting.

[@lisathomas1622]

As soon as the concept I’m evaluating the screen not what’s creating the screen, I got it! The Rubik cube comparison is brilliant. Tom… hahaha. There’s no final word ever! There is always more to discover from macro to micro. You can only comprehend what is from where you presently are and what you can guess is possible. 1:08:42 and hear is where Donald agreed with me 😂

[@justasimpleguy7211]

Imagine a lucid dream. Now imagine something similar when fully awake. That's a glimpse into the true nature of Consciousness.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

From the Mandukya Upanishad: OM! - This Imperishable Word is the whole of this visible universe. Its explanation is as follows: What has become, what is becoming, what will become, - verily, all of this is OM. And what is beyond these three states of the world of time, - that too, verily, is OM. All this, verily, is Brahman. The Self is Brahman. This Self has four quarters.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

The first quarter is Vaiśvānara. Its field is the waking state. Its consciousness is outward-turned. It is seven-limbed and nineteen-mouthed. It enjoys gross objects.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

The second quarter is taijasa. Its field is the dream state. Its consciousness is inward-turned. It is seven-limbed and nineteen-mouthed. It enjoys subtle objects.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

The third quarter is prājña, where one asleep neither desires anything nor beholds any dream: that is deep sleep. In this field of dreamless sleep, one becomes undivided, an undifferentiated mass of consciousness, consisting of bliss and feeding on bliss. His mouth is consciousness.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

This is the Lord of All; the Omniscient; the Indwelling Controller; the Source of All. This is the beginning and end of all beings. That is known as the fourth quarter: neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor the two together; not an indifferentiated mass of consciousness; neither knowing, nor unknowing; invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own Self; the coming to rest of all relative existence; utterly quiet; peaceful; blissful: without a second: this is the Ātman, the Self; *this is to be realized* Note *realized* and not understood or intellectualized. 🙂

[@thecontroversialcontrarian5063]

Interesting thought that our consciousness can perceive the whole electromagnetic spectrum. The Bible says one day there will be no shadows. Everything emits ‘light’. Plato’s The Cave is a beautiful analogy

[@Catseyes07]

Oh i do love your chats with Donald, thank you ❤