How Come and See Answers the Baby Hitler Question (Film Analysis)

[@BlckJack123]

"The worst thing that evil people can do is to turn you into one of them." Brilliant!!

[@LuisSierra42]

@yujirohanmaisbestdad yeah, this was one of the main points made in the dark knight

[@Siba-zb7dk]

False and not true

[@DodZz666]

Israel and Gaza comes to mind

[@VunderGuy]

There are no good people, no not one.

[@henrykanning245]

@@DodZz666it should not this quote does not apply to Isreal and Gaza.

[@timk6181]

Florya is my vote for the greatest performance in cinema, it boggles my mind that a kid could convey deep existential horror the way he does. It feels 100% authentic and is frankly terrifying at times.

[@ck891]

The young lad had therapy during the filming of the movie, it deeply resonated within him and disturbed him. Some of the things he saw messed him up real good, despite it being just a film

[@snab032]

You can watch Andrei Zvyagintsev's film "The Return", where 2 Russian teenagers also played the roles of teenagers with great incredible realism. Also some of the best child and teenage roles in cinema. Unfortunately, one boy died several weeks before the presentation.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

come and see is originally a biblical term

[@shaggydowns4603]

It says this in the first 30 seconds of the video@@cagneybillingsley2165

[@AMbradfordfilms]

I think it's the most real feeling portrayal of the kind we have ever seen in the medium. It's as scary as it is impressive to pull off.

[@ikg2449]

1/3rd of the Belarus' population was killed in WW2. The way the villagers are killed in Come and See is just 1/600 villages that were burned that way.

[@penelopelane7281]

Yes, this is what we have to get our heads around. For those of us brought up in affluent peaceful western nations, the scale and depth of atrocity takes real hard psychological work on ourselves to assimilate properly, with all the understandings that brings.

[@brunoactis1104]

@@penelopelane7281 The west also suffered, obviously not to the same scale. Also the west is very much not peaceful, it's just that they wage war against far away countries, in extremely unequal terms. I mean it's usually just massacres, not war.

[@Grognarthebarb]

If people had an idea what would happen would they have died fighting instead of in the atrocious way they were killed. Why did these places not fight harder. Were their spirits broken. Was it propaganda like how in this movie Hitler was called the liberator. I feel these atrocities are why invasions don't happen today. If you tried today people would fight pots and pans against rifles to not be killed I'm the way many of the victims of the past centuries wars were

[@Theendbeginsagain]

The people who still cream themselves over the Third Reich today ignore things like this.

[@sudonim7552]

@@Grognarthebarb If oppressed people in any situation united against their oppressors there would be no hope of containing their strength, but that is very rarely the case in reality. Plus, most people will follow orders given by an authority figure, even if those orders lead to their death. In fact most people don't realize they are being ordered to their own deaths until it is too late. This is true for both soldiers who wage war and civilians who suffer it.

[@ThePsychoAnon]

I saw this movie at a live screening. After the credits rolled, the entire place was silent, everyone just walked out slowly. It was a silent procession after a rollercoaster of suffering.

[@CreamyDreamybull]

Yeah same. I saw a screening of the 4K restoration at the Laemmle in Santa Monica a few years back. Everyone just looked defeated by the end of it. Glad I could experience something like that on the big screen

[@mymaster416]

Atrocity propaganda movie made it's job. Who would have guessed?

[@molotochnik.i]

?? Usually when movies are over everyone silently leaves.

[@phillav11]

@@mymaster416 The game you’re playing at is a losing one

[@aubreypressley1450]

​@mymaster416 there's legit evidence that this stuff happened. A former SS officer even admitted as such after one screening. Go be a Nazi somewhere else.

[@yuriii1999]

This movie really hit me years ago, I'm from belarus so knowing my ancestors went through something alot similar. For me to be here is always insane to me. They made this movie like this because so many people went through something like this. The message at this end is that anyone can do something so terrible.

[@pzaqy76412]

I’m an American and was in Belarus in 2018. Love the people and the country. Visited the patriotic museum. Was humbling experience. Every American should have to see this movie to know and understand what the peoples of the former USSR went through in WW II. Especial Belarus 🇧🇾 😢.

[@lewis123417]

​@@pzaqy76412just a shame about the Belarusian government

[@yuriii1999]

@pzaqy76412 Most def, a lot of Americans have no clue about what was actually going on around the world other than the American perspective. This movie would change most people's views on the war. That's what's up about going to belarus. I was born there but live in america now but I want to go back to visit and see everything but it's usually impossible to have find a good time to go there.

[@kam2894]

@@yuriii1999Yep, I’m Russian living in America and it always shocked me how little they knew. I remember I got my history teacher to show a KZbin video “The Fallen of WW2” and people were genuinely shocked to see how many Soviets died. I’ve also shown some friends Come and See and it definitely changed their views

[@G30RG3KA]

27 million Belarusians and Russians and 19 million civilians out of that 12. Yet the world only focused on the Jews. really makes you think.

[@alexanderluna5497]

"The worst thing evil people can do to you is turn you into them", this hit extremely hard.

[@baphyyy7898]

I'm 14 and this is deep

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

​@@baphyyy7898 No need to be so sarcastic mate, sometimes we are allowed to appreciate things like this.

[@daveyjoseph6058]

@@poyobotyahoo7494 sarcasm? what? i sensed none

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

@@daveyjoseph6058 I was talking about the first replier, Baphyy7898.

[@Reg_The_Galah]

@@baphyyy7898close your legs

[@jiri6691]

"No clue how someone came up with these ideas" when speaking about the barn scene - there were countless of such instanced waged by nazis. My great grandpa always told stories about what he saw in the war. One of them I remember well - it was a well full of kids's bodies

[@joez6235]

The film sparked quite a bit of controversy because of how similar the events were to what the Soviets were also doing in Eastern Europe. Being a Soviet film it was seen as rather hypocritical but I think it says a lot about just how hopeless it must have felt for those people to be in such a lose-lose situation where no matter which side you support or if you decide to not support either side, the end result is the same for you in any case. There were no heroes coming to save the day, only the horror of men with guns storming your village and committing countless acts of atrocity. If they hadn’t left him behind, how easily could he have been one of the people doing what was done to him?

[@jiri6691]

@@joez6235 I never hear of that honestly, but good to know. Both branches of my fammilies moved to the Czech republic right after the war.

[@NA-di3yy]

@@joez6235 lol what? provide examples of proved soviet atrocities comparable to what nazis did then

[@AKKK1182]

@@NA-di3yy And the vatnik again climbs out of the cave and yells "PROOFS!!?? PROOOOFS!!???!?"

[@CptNemo-l3s]

​@@NA-di3yyYeah, I've never heard of it either. With the cold war and the current situation, I should have heard about these events by now. But there's nothing...?

[@liamobrien9451]

One of the things that has marked me the most in recent times, was when, out of morbid curiosity, i went down a rabbit hole of nazi accounts on twitter that i found deep in replies. All of them were so open with their hatred, but the one that affected me the most had a profile picture of the young ss officer in the scene just before he dies. It really put things in perspective. This person saw the same movie as me, but he most likely cheered at every bit of suffering inflicted on florya and the population, and felt pride in the final speech before the germans were gunned down. His hate is not abstract, not detached. He can look at the most vivid face of pure suffering inflicted on a fellow innocent human, and his only reaction is to laugh.

[@kg7162]

Some time some people want to see the world burn

[@brandonmorel2658]

Some "people" don't have the right to be called that. These animals can't be treated like normal human beings, for their desires are that of a cockroach. Not even prison is appropriate for them, dog kennels are too lofty. It's terrifying to even hear about them from third hand accounts.

[@carbonatedphantom8388]

​@@brandonmorel2658An insult to cockroaches. Animals are driven by instinct. Hate is not instinct. Some of us are worse than animals, and that's terrifying.

[@divinehorror2543]

​@@brandonmorel2658 while I agree with the idea, I disagree with the mentality We must treat nazis and all other evil degenerates as people Not to say they deserve anything less than the death they so readily wish upon others, but that we must be careful not to distance ourselves from the idea that, nobody is born a nazi, nobody is born racist, or sexist, or xenophobic Everybody is at risk of intoctrination, of being swayed to the wrong side, whether it be desperation, past abuse or loneliness But regardless, Hitler, the SS, and every neo nazi, KKK member and hateful murdering psychopath since or before, was, at one time, an innocent child, capable only of what they were taught was right, and just They could have once been anyone And we could have become them, were we not so lucky

[@KrokLP]

Denying they are human makes sure you will never understand or stop evil. Like Heydrich was a family man and loved husband.

[@Hulkpoolza]

I don’t know how anyone can say that any war movie like saving private ryan can be the best war movie when come and see exists, it shows the truth of war with no patriotism and glory to muddle the horrors

[@theBrid-gv8je]

American

[@m.ceniza4688]

@@PzedP1818as are all war movies, even Come and See.

[@hollowheaded9319]

​@@m.ceniza4688 Unlike other war movies where the main character triumphantly guns down bad guys and saves his comrades... In this film the boy accomplishes nothing, he loses everyone he cared about, he fails to save anyone, and there is no ending, we never know if the boy is gonna live or die. It's one of the better anti-war films in my opinion.

[@TriflingWhiteBoy]

@@hollowheaded9319and thats what we call propaganda😂

[@PetraHH-y5u]

so you dont know what propaganda mean @@TriflingWhiteBoy

[@Agniii]

This and Grave of the fireflies are two of the most devastating films I have ever seen. Witnessing the fate of kids in these films, a very innocent part of me died with both of these films' endings. Thank you for analysing this one.

[@LuisSierra42]

War absolutely sucks but we seem to not be able to get rid of it

[@Bentfrombeyond]

I think Grave of the Fireflies gets its point across a little softer, but every bit as emotionally resonant to me.

[@DeezNutsOvaYoFace]

@@LuisSierra42 War is not what it used to be. Before you could say that ideology, religion, race etc played a major part in escalating conflicts but now it only exists to enrich a few because War Is Expensive. Pentagon pays $1280 for a single coffee mug, this is what war accounting has led to. Rumsfeld probably jerked himself off at night, smiling that he convinced the US citizens to pay that much for a single mug (they regularly pay billions for jets that crash mid test flight too lol). War used to be Hell but now War is a VERY lucatrive business as well as hell for the unlucky few who will be at the recieving end of a missile that cost a few million.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@DeezNutsOvaYoFace in ancient times, War was literally a profession, it was how people got the resources they needed. That motive is definitely not a new thing

[@plmokm33]

@@LuisSierra42 Because conflict for resources is an intrinsic part of not just humanity but every single organism on this planet.

[@PseudoPolish]

I'm from the city of Brest (Western Belarus) and it crushes me knowing that a lot of people don't have a clue what was really happening 80 years ago at the eastern front. The very title of this film is quite symbolical. Everyone should come along and SEE for themselves. See what humans are capable of. See the very core of what shall never be forgotten.

[@CT-uv8os]

Go ask them in Gaza. While the governments of the world sit on their asses...

[@tinahale9252]

Thank you. I believe every leader should watch this before making decisions that will assuredly repeat this history.

[@zonesquestiloveunderworld]

I've always found that title so haunting. "Come and see, come and see!" - it sounds like what an enthusiastic child might say. There's something disturbingly "innocent" about it - it reminds me of Mark Twain's depiction of "Satan", and its quote "I can do no wrong, for I do not know what 'wrong' is." What happened in your country is forgotten all too often, even though it's happening again right now in many places across the planet....

[@randomannoyance]

@@zonesquestiloveunderworld whats interesting is that in russian (the origin language of the movie) the name (more accurately translated as "go and look") sounds more like a command than teasing, like "You want to know what the real war is? Then go and look/come and see" But the official english translation and your interpretation of it is just as haunting

[@jonossell121]

​@@randomannoyance Whole new perspective. Thanks

[@t--w5203]

The moment that stuck with me the most is his friends stepping onto a mine. Seconds before they were talking fondly. They were a plucky group of scavengers on a quest. Then boom. In an instant half of them are dead.

[@starhalv2427]

That was the scene which made me realise it's not just another war movie, it's reality. I already knew that, but I understood it after that scene.

[@300thNPC]

​@@starhalv2427 That realization hit me when the guy with him got machine gunned later on that night. Just insanely BRUTAL where everyone around him is getting killed. No matter how cool or tough they seem. Everyone is dying around him.

[@sophieelsa7469]

That happened with my grandfather. He was the only survivor. I've always wondered how that must have affected him

[@cassi5420]

The final Hitler poster scene really impacted me and was so jarring to the carnage the viewer just witnessed. The reverse of Hitler’s life signifies that no amount of brutality, revenge, or gunfire will undo what happened or will rewrite the things that culminated into WW2. There’s also so much controversy over humanizing Hitler in media and I think Come and See did it perfectly: both acknowledging Hitler’s humanity and not disrespecting his victims in the process

[@penelopelane7281]

Actually, in the three days after death, we review our whole life in reverse, before letting go of it. Knowing this causes us to think further about what those final scenes mean.

[@Kokong]

The terrifying thing about the Nazis and their atrocities were how these could have been normal people. That the human spirit and its free will and compassion can be broken down to the point of an unfeeling robot.

[@zonesquestiloveunderworld]

​@@penelopelane7281Got some proof of that? Have you died before? No, you haven't, so leave your infantile speculations at the door.

[@Biggestisland]

@@penelopelane7281 ridiculous theory.

[@traiascacodreanu4553]

​@@Kokongarent we all robots? We all live in loops, mostly content with it. We seldom question those loops. We think we are independent but easily let other peoples opinions alter our perspectives. Maybe we are robots who "feel" something, but still robots.

[@brunoactis1104]

8:45 They didn't come up with those ideas, they actually happened. You gotta remember, it's a soviet movie, the peopel that LIVED those horrors were not even that old yet. And it's not like american vets, no, they were villagers, grandmas, mothers, sons, everyone directly suffered those things and they when the war was over, life went on.

[@davidw.2791]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate and wonder if OP meant "how did those nazi death squads come up with the ideas"

[@mattiasmartens9972]

@@davidw.2791 I think in context it was more about the weird juxtapositions-SS woman eating crawfish, commander with an exotic animal on his shoulder-that's the part that was more unusual in terms of portrayals of the Nazis.

[@eb3ast]

5:35 This scene hit me really hard and is honestly horrifying in a way. To me, this scene displays everything that makes a child a child and exactly what is being stripped away. Watching the two smile and dance with joy as if nothing happened, you start to realize that this is unfortunately a scene that could only exist with children.

[@TheInternationalBlackLipPlate]

where are the movies showing the brutality of the americans, british, or russians? Oh right! They don't exist because this is all jewish propaganda to vilify opposition!

[@MacintoshGaming1]

The part that gets me the most is when the SS soldiers left that old lady in her bed after burning the village and they tell her to "good luck birthing the next generations" her face and how she doesn't know how to respond breaks me it like she has to process what happened her eyes and her facial expression say it all

[@1D991]

The was she sorta smiles, almost like she's joking along with them while being happy to be alive, but then her smile fades as she realises exactly what just happened; that everyone she knew is dead, and she's being left out for the carrion birds and can't do a thing about it

[@usov656]

Its a great movie because it dispells that sentimental and illusionary notion that all those atrocities must have been committed by some deeply evil people clearly intent on causing the maximum suffering possible. The truth is that anyone can commit atrocities, ruin lives and cause untold amounts of pain, and many times even do it in full belief that they are in the right.

[@Breezy-jq6hq]

We should always be suspicious of ourselves and realize we are capable of horrendous things.

[@SlamdogX]

That's what I take from the ending. Not necessarily that it would be evil to kill baby Hitler, but that even Hitler was innocent once, and that anyone has the capacity to do what he did. Like how the doctors that studied the surviving Nazi commanders before they went on trial. They were shocked and horrified to find that they were just normal men that did unfathomably terrible things. They weren't special.

[@TRUESLOPP]

always know there is an agenda for every world event, nothing ever happens because it was an "accident"

[@hateferlife]

@@SlamdogX The so-called "banality of evil".

[@brunoactis1104]

The first half of your comment is still true. You can see it in when the german soldier speaks, they knew exactly what they were doing, they did it in the most terrible way imaginable, and ment it the whole way.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

Stalingrad wasn’t just the deadliest battlefield on the Eastern Front, it was the deadliest battlefield in the entire history of mankind.

[@daniellewillis2767]

The movie Stalingrad is also fantastic 👏

[@riku9768]

Context?

[@brunoactis1104]

@@riku9768 You can literally look it up dude, it's history.

[@riku9768]

@@brunoactis1104 Was asking for context as to why Stalingrad was mentioned. Was puzzled

[@brunoactis1104]

@@riku9768 He mentioned it to make clear the magnitude of the war on the eastern front.

[@TanlovesJesus]

The image of the girl with the whistle in her mouth is forever burned into my memory.

[@TheInternationalBlackLipPlate]

where are the movies showing the brutality of the americans, british, or russians? Oh right! They don't exist because this is all jewish propaganda to vilify opposition!

[@jackleith3502]

This. Don’t think anything has ever disturbed me so much.

[@1neAdam12]

Then the propaganda has done its job.

[@andrewsigler7437]

@@1neAdam12 the propaganda that rape is bad?

[@1neAdam12]

@@andrewsigler7437 The propaganda that Soviet Russia had perfected. "Blame others for the exact crime you're committing." Katyn comes to mind.

[@TheSassJacket]

My father was exceptionally physically and mentally abusive to me and my other three siblings. He always spoke of how his father was an alcoholic, and his mother used to beat him with rose bushes (however the hell that even works...?). Whenever those long, intimate conversations with friends broaches that subject, I always make sure to communicate a motto I came with after suffering through living with such a man: "The hottest corners of hell are reserved for those who have had the worst kind of pain imaginable inflicted upon them, and then choose to inflict that pain onto others." Hearing you say the words you did at 11:19 has me feeling very very validated. What an intensely moving notion. I loved your breakdown on this film!

[@billybob-zk9nm]

With the rose bush. I think he was referring to the thorns being used rather than the actual bush, like grabbing a bunch of them, hitting you in essence to make the thorns scratch u up

[@angelab4652]

Beautifully stated round such a toxic experience. Seems you broke the chain...

[@loutmouth]

I feel like films like this need to be required watching in this day and age. Many of us in America especially are so separated from the horrors of war that are so often glorified in our nation and our media. It’s easy to glorify war when you’re not around to see the horrors of it, and the impact on those just trying to live their lives. Great video!

[@tenanaciouz]

no the america populace doesn't need to be doused in ever more jewish/bolshivek propaganda trying to make it seem like the soviet union waeren't souless, godless murderers

[@jcdenton2907]

They should show footage of Gaza

[@buckyyyb]

I fucking hate war, I hate it. While there’s many things that stay with me about it, I’ll never forget innocently turning on a Vietnam documentary -or something. And they showed a man - shaking like I’d never seen before - trying to bring a cigarette to his mouth - and he just kept repeating “I wanna go home” over and over again

[@karlgunterhupenbach8137]

​@@buckyyybSo you should hate humans because they are war.

[@brunoactis1104]

@@buckyyyb That's the one war americans suffered, and they didn't even have a cause to fight for, except for hateful destruction. And what happened when it ended? The veterans got home to a place they were not accepted or understood, war was still something far away for most.

[@Rockstar-bq5fm]

A film everyone should watch once. But boy is it like getting dragged across concrete watching it. Hard to call it a good movie but it’s definitely a impressive movie with incredibly thought provoking matter

[@Jimmy1982Playlists]

Oh, its not hard for me... Klimov's film is without a doubt one of the greatest ever made (as is The Ascent, directed by Klimov's wife). I definitely know what you mean. It's an INCREDIBLY difficult watch - but I feel that many of the best films ever are difficult.

[@heeelgekkkkkk]

What makes it a difficult watch? Because of how disturbing it is? @@Jimmy1982Playlists

[@visassess8607]

​@@Jimmy1982PlaylistsI'll be honest, never really liked this movie. Not because of the subject matter but I do think it's not a good film.

[@lazedreamor2318]

Agreed. This movie is nothing but pure misery porn that isn't bothered with conveying much of a story, and I'm not sure whether to consider it a bad or a good thing. The title perfectly describes what the overall intent was.

[@FallenSanityG]

​@lazedreamor2318 Imagine saying a perspn who lived through Nazi attrocities and uses that experience in a film about Nazis is just misery porn. Sometiems movies need to be about history homie

[@xablingos]

As the brazilian philosopher Paulo Freyre wrote: "When education isn't liberating, the dream of the oppressed, is to became the oppressor". The kid grown up in a enclausurating and hopless world, the only thing he learned was violence and cruelty, the fact that, in the very end, he figured out in what he was becoming, shows how much he learned about said world, and himself.

[@pauloduarte3712]

This man deztroyed our country.🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@starhalv2427]

​@@pauloduarte3712 That's sad

[@frankkkbard0n315]

its actually a really good quote in itself, but ironically, it aplies to the socialists who quote it better than anything else...

[@OLEG-gt2yt]

Este filme é bom como um remédio contra a estupidez e a hipocrisia, mas, como você pode ver, não ajuda a todos. O que as palavras abstratas de um pedagogo Brasileiro têm a ver com as atrocidades nazistas na Bielorrússia ? O que esse professor sabe sobre o que acontece com uma pessoa quando todos os seus entes queridos são simplesmente mortos no mesmo dia como uma ninhada de ratos ? E o que há dentro de um homem de verdade que o impede de matar um bebé sabendo que esse bebé vai crescer para ser um monstro que vai matar toda a tua família ?

[@Drakkross]

Unironically quoting a neomarxist ideologue

[@vowgallant4049]

I think a better question is, "Would killing baby Hitler actually change anything?" Sure, Hitler gave the orders, but if all of the Germans refused, nothing would happen. The atrocities of WWII were carried out by enthusiastic collaborators. The social forces and the environmental, economic, and cultural conditions at the time made these sorts of things an inevitably. Eugenics was a huge thing back then, and was only soured for people by the Nazis actions. You're telling me if we had killed Hitler as a baby, someone wouldn't eventually do something like the Holocaust?

[@rakeguy7703]

"blahblahblah pls don't kill Hitler" - said a nazie weaboo with anime girl avatar.

[@nfaisnfgay]

Yeah this is always the logical fallacy. The Nazi’s already had a strong founding group. Without Hitler, sure, they may of not grown as quickly, but it still would’ve happened.

[@EliteBuildingCompany]

@@nfaisnfgay Then, one day, for absolutely no reason at all...

[@nfaisnfgay]

@@EliteBuildingCompany Yup. The enemies had already written in the world news at the time that the Jews of the world should unite and put economic pressure on Germany. This was going to happen anyway

[@EliteBuildingCompany]

@@nfaisnfgay "Judea declares war on Germany" i believe was the headline.

[@ilovetweek000]

I watched this in history class, when the movie finished, my usually energetic class was dead silent for the entire period. A genuinely powerful movie.

[@Paul-nj5cr]

propaganda works.

[@ferranarcaronsestrada1710]

The image that has stucked with me the most is at the end when Florian reencounters the girl... Such a devastating image, so harsh and cruel.

[@jonossell121]

No happy ending or hope. Brutal

[@penelopelane7281]

Not quite. Despite everything, he shoulders his rifle and goes off to fight another day…@@jonossell121

[@shyviolets]

it's not the same girl hes in shock and projecting on to her. He's talking to her the same way Glasha was talking to him when they first met, when she was projecting about the captain she had an affair with.

[@Jungleland422]

The scene where Floria was standing next to the new recruit really put into perspective how much Floria was affected by the war. The face of pure agony and despair next to one of complete innocence and ignorance.

[@GreenBaldrick]

I was obsessed with this movie at one point and was reading discussions and comments about it and many people from the Western countries were often surprised by the plot and seen it an fictional, they were like "wow the creators came up with such horrors!"😨 when in reality that's just how the Eastern Front was. People often get so focused on the Holocaust as the main horror of the WWII, they forget what a meat grinder the Eastern Front was (more than 1 million people have died in the Stalingrad battle alone!) and how many civillians have been killed there in the 40s - millions and millions, and how Slavs were seen and treated the same way as Jews.

[@Galy4a]

It was a strategic mistake of the Soviet Union not to raise the issue of the genocide of the Slavic people at the Nuremberg trials.

[@jonossell121]

Maybe more than two million dead civilians and armed forces combined in Stalingrad

[@nicolelawless9942]

I was also obsessed with the movie also but by the end of last month, I aged from 21 to 28 In 31 days. Woody one of my toys I’ve had for the longest time 17 years nearly now was incredibly traumatised by my aging self and he’s afraid of going near me because Woody fears I might hurt him but I don’t. My Come and See movie is literally like my therapy because of the way how Floyra calms me down very fast because he also feared of me hurting him too but I hugged Floyra when he approaches me, he knows how I’m truly feeling

[@jonossell121]

@@nicolelawless9942 that's good honey I am happy for you and only want the best for you always love 💞

[@nicolelawless9942]

@@jonossell121 Thanks, I don’t know where i would be now if Floyra wasn’t here. He knows I’m in love with him

[@NuncHistoria]

Having finally finished, what sticks with me is the cow scene. Its not the animal abuse. Its the entire theme. Hiding behind your destroyed hope in the hopes that you too dont get destroyed. And a child using a dead animal as cover

[@rutherfrogp.wilmington4907]

I’m a fan of disturbing films and extreme cinema and this one was easily the most harrowing experience I’ve had with film. Good lord was this brutal. Masterpiece

[@davidtate7372]

When Hollywood hands out Oscars it should have gone to both the film and the boy. Haunting and intense. :(

[@SuperKlondike64]

Unfortunately, I don't think they had Oscars in the USSR.

[@angryanakin]

@@SuperKlondike64the Oscars is not exclusive to American movies it is just held in America

[@SuperKlondike64]

@@angryanakin To be fair, I think the Cold War was still going on, and Soviet films were seldom seen as a result. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@ЕкатеринаБеглярова-е2в]

@@SuperKlondike64, actually in 1981 soviet movie (basic romance imo) got Oscar so theoretically it'd be possible

[@azatot601]

​@@SuperKlondike64у СССР есть оскары. 3 за лучший иностранный фильм и 1 за документальный. Так что у Или и смотри могли быть шансы

[@Koldeman]

This was a very good analysis. This is the last movie Klimov made. He had plenty of years left, only being in his 50s when this was made. He lived until 2003 & was often asked why he never made another film, which he responded that he's told the stories he set himself upon & with "Come & See," he didn't feel like he could top it. Just think for a moment about this- he achieved everything he aimed to pursue as a filmmaker. I can't think of any other artist who reached a plateau in their chosen craft & had the self-awareness to proclaim that he's at the apex & maintained that satisfaction until his death. This movie is a bona-fide MASTERPIECE. By design, it's difficult to watch, yet it's equally as difficult to look away. I feel my own personal perception of war, humanity, cruelty, mercy, & the very value of life has been changed as a result of this film. If that's what Klimov was trying to achieve, he did so brilliantly.

[@itsjayn4538]

" The worst thing that evil people can do is turn you into one of them. " ... such a true and almost obvious statement ... but shockingly eye-opening

[@TheChe1928]

My grand grand parents both were kids, when their families were hanged and shot in public by nazis in Belarus. They were starving and wandering all alone among the burnt villages, asking for potato skin and boiling it with grass as a dish. After war, my grand grand mother always gave money for those who asked for it - because she actually knew, what is the real need and the real help from people. We will never forget, what nazis and their collaborators did to our people, to Russian, Ukrainian, Belarus, and all other smaller soviet brothers.

[@mfcolston]

During the massacre scene those weren't though up acts, talk to anyone who had family from the eastern frony. Those things happened.

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

He was talking moreso about the shrimp eating and random furry creature on the dudes shoulder.

[@BeholdItKnits]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 I think the weird creature is a loris. The Nazi whose shoulder it sits on is partly based on Oskar Dirlewanger, who apparently had a pet monkey.

[@someguitarguy.]

This film and "Threads" are probably the darkest, most humanistic, and most difficult films to watch ever made. Nice job on the review.

[@hillmadaris]

Threads is equally disturbing. I love that series and this film.

[@someguitarguy.]

@@hillmadaris series? There are more “Threads” films???

[@hillmadaris]

I am talking about the BBC production, Threads, that i watched on youtube years ago. I called it a series because i remember it as very long, like 4 hours, but maybe i misremember.​@@someguitarguy.

[@benzur3503]

7:05 it’s not only the guilt. It’s also the pain of his damaged hearing next to the wailing grief screams around him

[@mariocaso6186]

I watched this film a month ago or so. I loved it from the beginning. It's absolutely mesmerizing. The sheer violence revolved my guts however it's so wonderfully shot that it's impossible to look away and you have to come and see. But the finale of the film it's just superb! Gotta be one of the greatest films in cinema history and in Russian cinema.

[@mattsterh7740]

my understanding of the ending was just that all this suffering cant be undone. once the genie is out of the bottle all hell is breaking loose. I guess I missed all those parts. Great vid!

[@FaustianDaydreams]

The worst irony of the Dirlewanger brigade is that most of the soldiers were Eastern Europeans, these guys just did not care. When even the rest of SD thinks you’ve lost it, you’ve absolutely gone crazy.

[@anishapoorwakispotta7754]

Anti communism and anti semitism is hell of drug. After WW2, just see how Americans behaved in Vietnam

[@marseldagistani1989]

@@anishapoorwakispotta7754 Vietnam was in all honesty an unjust war, for both the Vietnamese and the American Draftees, as many of them were just teenagers from poor families, while Sons of Rich Americans who could dodge the draft sat on the sidelines, while their peers were dragged and sent to die in a war of containment. And from what I know, those draftees became jaded and angry, and who to turn their anger to but the very people of the country they were sent to fight in. It's not as if South Vietnam was any better, as the country was so corrupt that the people of S.V. just let the Vietcong march through the country and into Saigon. What I am trying to convey is that in the Vietnam War, everyone was a victim, from the American Soldiers who were drafted to the citizens who were: Napalmed, shelled, bombed, etc. If I recall there was a story where some American soldiers had to clean up the road off of corpses so the tanks could pass through, but missed a few and those corpses became paste under them and said "That's how desensitized we have become to the violence, so much so that we didn't care what happened to the corpse of a fellow man." The Rich dodging war isn't something new, it happened in the Civil War, it happened in WWI and II, Korea, Nam, and the interventions in the middle east.

[@obligatoryusername7239]

@@anishapoorwakispotta7754 You're blaming anti-communism, as if the Soviets didn't kill *at least* half a million Afghani civilians in only 10 years, ravage Finland and the Baltics, and consistently persecute and deport ethnic minorities (from Tatars and Chechens to Estonians and ethnic Germans). As if Stalin's chief of secret police for years, Lavrenti Beria, wasn't a notorious serial rapist, sadist, and pedophile who would fit right in with Dirlewagner. Not to mention in his last years Stalin himself launched an anti-semitic purge. Communism is not virtue, they have shown themselves to be just as capable of atrocity as the fascists. When France kicked American troops out of their country during the Cold War, Washington left. When Hungary and Czechoslovakia tried the same thing, they got brutally invaded by the Soviets and their "brothers" in the Warsaw Pact.

[@General_Rubenski]

@@obligatoryusername7239 Goes to show that Far Right and Far Left ideologies are really two different side of the same coin.

[@kuppikahvikeisari9120]

​​@@General_Rubenskithey indeed are, and thats why when people say far right is rising, they are blind for the far leftism. If we should not forget the far right of the past, we should not do the opposite for the left. You should learn from history and not ignore the history of the ideology you are practicing. Making an argument "true communism is never been done" is a bad one, it has been tried many times and it always ends in tyranny and corruption. Edit. Typos

[@900thornzxsirlabs5]

Bro GOOD JOB! and one thing that I interpreted was the scene where they're in the woods and Glasha is getting covered in water while shes in kind of that revealing clothing was also a sort of foreshadowing towards the concept of "destruction of innocence" the words destruction of innocence literally popped in my head during that scene

[@DoYaPhilMeh]

Phenomenal, watching Zone of Interest did something to to reignite my interests and ever since I have been on a big WW2 kick over the past few months. Come and See was recommended on Reddit and I watched it but so much of it didn't make sense until seeing your analysis here. Great job!

[@lordofchaosinc.261]

Even the cruelest of people started as a child once a blank slate. You wonder how it came to be to grow up being an adult full of malice to inflict suffering on others.

[@invisibleman4827]

Usually through brutalisation and conditioning. I think Hitler didn't become what we know him to be now until after his experience in WW1

[@invisibleman4827]

Usually through brutalisation and conditioning. I think Hitler didn't become what we know him to be now until after his experience in WW1

[@AllanGildea]

This film is one of the greatest artistic achievements of all time. Absolutely staggering. The nazi dragging a woman into the barn to burn her and all the others alive, gripping her by the hair like a sack of potatoes but stopping to get a light for his cigarette from a colleague, mid task....

[@blakeray9856]

Yes, exactly, I agree completely. Klimov's eye for details like this one and many other weird and unsettling ones is on the highest level.

[@greyhoodie1012]

i was actually sad when i realized glasha is never shown again after he leaves looking for food w the other soldiers. then i got depressed when I realized he probably never saw her again either.

[@FabrisFanatic]

I've been to Minsk and I visited the Museum of the Great Patriotic War. At 8:45 you marvel at the ideas and how they came up with them - but the genuinely horrifying thing is there were countless photographs and artifacts from the museum that were exactly like shown in this movie. This stuff happened. The reference to "Come and See" being a quote from the Apocalypse of John is not just poetic imagery about war... the war on the Eastern Front was truly apocalyptic in scope, scale, and barbarism.

[@P90XGetRipped]

This is one of the heaviest war movies ever made. It doesn't pull punches and fully shows the brutality and senseless evil of war.

[@jetsilveravenger]

Regarding 4:30: The Passion of Joan d'arc probably relies on human facial expressions just as much to tell its story, if not more. Maybe it gets a bit of a handicap since it's a silent film and doesn't have audible dialogue but still, there are so many closeups of faces going through strong emotions.

[@ChristopherMisterFur]

damn that was an incredible analysis. I've been putting off watching this movie for years and now I think you've made me feel like it might actually be worthwhile. 10/10

[@aandj5561]

When Florya decides to leave the barn. He peeks out the window before climbing out. The look of terror in his eyes in that moment is hard to get out of my head. His only options were to stay in the barn and die or take his chance with the Nazis outside. What a terrifying choice.

[@OparStanley1008]

I saw this movie maybe like a year ago. I'm really glad I took my time watching it, most people are drawn away by movies from another era because of the pacing but this movie was worth gold every single minute.

[@johnschofield9496]

I just watched it for the first time. I really can't put my feelings into words. In most movies, Nazi's are either abstract or a caricature, but these were so much more. You could see their humanity in small glimpses ( the soldier throwing up, the total terror of knowing THEY were about to be executed), but what really stands out is the mob that lost all it's humanity and because of that will spend eternity in Hell. One of the most realistic war movies I've seen.

[@kaydenhetzer3816]

The moment that sticks in my head the most is when Glasha comes with blood pouring out of her thighs and blowing the whistle at about the 2 hours mark

[@krysling4860]

It's not Glasha

[@1D991]

Not Glasha, but Flyora in his trauma is projecting on her as if he's replying to/repeating things Glasha said to him earlier

[@Atreus21]

We've all led sheltered lives. WWII was the rule not the exception. The brutalization of the weak by the strong is the lot of the vast majority of humanity throughout history. At least in the first world, we live in a brief and precious period of relative calm and peace and prosperity.

[@kg7162]

For the time being, the future is uncertain with all this event may you live a peaceful life Far from these miseries

[@brandonmorel2658]

The First World unfortunately is the minority. The Third World, which is most of humans beings alive right now, suffer a reality of passive subjugation and extermination at the hands of the First World. Like someone said a long time ago, we have suffered a devastation similar to Vietnam all year round for our entire continuous existence. Most people, while they have not encountered something similar to the events of WWII, they most definitely not lead sheltered lives, under this system of exploitation it's impossible.

[@colbyboucher6391]

You reeeeally sound like you want to break into some facist bullshit rn

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

Your words ring true about the sheltered lives, because those sheltered have ironically become the very beasts that Flyora wasn’t meant to become. That vengeance will only lead to the same atrocities seen here, but it all was for not as many merely dehumanize “Nazis”, sympathizers, and praise the opposition like communism or it’s more optical variant, socialism. It’s almost like living without suffering, without pain, without knowing, leads to this very nature in people. Only until we face the circumstance of war can we finally comprehend things.

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

No matter what, you are left with choices in life. Some unfortunately have two, others have multiple. I made my choice, I die with that choice, and I don’t regret it because the reality of my choice is not far from the others who are almost no different.

[@algaedrone1833]

I legitimately could not figure out where you were going with this at first. Without paying very close attention to the ending, it seems very easy to miss what you’re actually seeing and what it means. You really helped explain it to me

[@kpacch7085]

I liked the movie a lot but didn't know how to describe it's artistic narrative. You really hit on the topics well, showing your appreciation for it, and how it made you feel. There's definitely different ways to interpret it but you really summarized it in a way I could only imagine, thanks!

[@DoroteoVilla]

The ending is haunting. The way the camera flies aimlessly through the woods to ghostly music and it finally finds Flora who joins the Partisans then they disappear into the trees.

[@douglaswinstanley8907]

The boy is the ultimate actor with his impossible expressions, he nails it beyond perfection. How did the director find him? I will respect the sufferings ogf Belarus forever. Thank you klimov director and boy

[@magicknight13]

Thank you so much for covering such an incredible and unforgettable film

[@mugrex]

wow what an in depth analysis. I didnt get the baby Hitler thing at the end upon first watch, now the film is even better. Thank you! :)

[@michaelw6277]

What’s wild about that scene in the field with the tracers was that those were real machineguns firing real bullets. Among the best films I’ve ever watched.

[@mikoajduszka1817]

Very brutal and realistic movie. One of the best (anti) war movies every made

[@JoeMama-tl4tr]

The scenes when the girl with whistle returns and when they put that old woman outside really hit me hard

[@Jimmy1982Playlists]

Quite simply one of the great films in cinema history. Period. The two best war films I've ever seen were each, respectively, directed by one married couple - husband Klimov's Come And See and wife Larissa Shepitko's The Ascent. Both should be seen every few years by, basically, everyone who can handle it. These are two films I'd call perfect. Would absolutely love for you to analyze The Ascent, as well. Both films remind us there is nothing glorious about war.

[@msdecleir6389]

I think you could include all quiet on western front? The Netflix one ….

[@TRUESLOPP]

@@msdecleir6389 all quiet was pretty dog ngl

[@penelopelane7281]

Yes, please. What about The Ascent…?

[@horrorspirit]

didn't watch the video yet but i like how "the baby hitler question" is a legitimate statement one can make

[@adhesivelemon4681]

Come and See is the kind of movie I have to see through video essays because I know I won't be able to handle watching it on it's own

[@natalysmith1027]

A huge thank you for analysing this one!

[@peaceluvpupz8466]

What about the blonde girl walking out with blood coming down her legs? She was extremely traumatized. This is really cleared everything up for me. I'm Glad I wasn't the only one who needed clarification. What a crazy psychological movie.

[@DarklordDantalion]

the title of this video hit me like a psychic wave of energy that almost made me pass out, thank you

[@iqmi_3]

2:17 he actually asked "did you poop yourself?" "Full pants?" Im not even joking

[@FindTheFun]

I always say this. If you could go back in time, why would you kill baby Hitler? You need to *save* baby Hitler.

[@niktonin7208]

9:59 he gives the gasoline not to the German soldier but the "collaborationist", a local and an associate of the Nazis

[@FrancisBurns]

Thanks for the video, the conclusion almost made me cry.

[@lvhao5105]

thank you. I watched Come-And-See many times, but you identified deep meanings.

[@blknmongl342]

You got an extremely thick skin, to watch it multiple times.

[@Alienalloy]

i accidentally watched this one night when i was about 11 or 12, needless to say 40 years later it still resonates with me,

[@mentalbreakdance4life]

As a person who watched the movie in its original language, I'm really sad to see that the translation in subtitles is... Bad. Quite bad. It's a shame how bad it is, to be honest.

[@Wot50202]

Then you should submit an edit and stop being a sniveling ass leaving youtube comments to make yourself feel superior.

[@1D991]

My Russian isn't great but it isn't terrible either (I can understand and read ok, but can't speak it very well; my grandma was Russian, and recently I started to learn again) and noticed a lot of the subtitles are overly simplified, sometimes to the point of almost seeming silly. If my untrained ear could pick that out I can only imagine how off the subtitles actualy are

[@yasmeenw7227]

I watched an interview with the director and he says they said multiple times "come and see" in the script and I'm pretty sure I didn't see it in the subtitles not once.

[@haxan_3567]

No one will see this comment, but I still wanted to say it I saw this movie a few years and the thing that stuck in my head was the subtle dream like quality, or rather in this movie's case , nightmare quality. The focus on the faces and reactions made it seem like the entire movie takes place in Flyora's memories/dreams. This is all just my thoughts and opinions, I'm pretty sure none of it's relevent.

[@Sharkman1963]

You are a phenomenal analyst.

[@JamieNelson]

I saw this film for the first time back in the 80s. It is devastating and was an awaking simultaneously. The impact was and is unforgettable. Your video summary is a terrific precis of it. Thank you.

[@renato.bakaadv]

That is why I don’t watch American movies about war… there is no glory or courage in war

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

There is, but there is also blood, brutality, and depravity. It's an odd mix that is not something one should strive for.

[@audiemurphy1925]

Damn calling Men like Winters a coward is stupid and as spiers as men who would have more courage than you

[@requ1em939]

Cudos for your excellent work, analysing the key aspects of this outstanding movie.

[@CT-uv8os]

The barn scene got to my soul . This same thing happened in what is called Ohio in the United States. In 1787 American Col. M. Crawford led an expedition against the Native peoples they ran across. They would trap them in their homes and burnt them down. Then the European settlers built on top of the ashes. It is not discussed in American history at all. The nations attacked were the Mingo, Wyandotte,Delaware, and Sandusky Seneca. Crawford was later captured and slowly tortured to death by Native women. My Aunties were some of the women who did it. Benjamin Logan also did the same. P.s. Ohio was promised to be the 14th state used for Native Americans only. Now today 12 /10/23 Palestinians are experiencing the same. All 3 groups fighting against those who were /are too greedy and want what doesnt belong to them. Every member of the IDF should be made to watch this and Apocalypse Now. Free Palestine!

[@W8RIT1]

Come and See is THE most disturbing movie I've ever seen in my life. It's like a surreal nightmare that you can't wake from filled with extreme sadness. It's disturbing in different ways than Schindler's List...this movie certainly is no Sands of Iwo Jima. I'm on the fence if I'd recommend it...only to a few strong people would I recommend it as a way to remember the horror and brutality of war.

[@nickhaynie5980]

People constantly underestimate the effect that WW1 had on Hitlers psyche. Thar war transformed him from the artistic dreamer into a hellbent warmonger. Only God knows what man will emerge next from these wars we are conducting nowadays and what suffering he will bring from it

[@northyorksimonkim]

the sheer number of people that died in WW1 is staggering and the lines hardly moved in 4 years, it was basically madness

[@nickhaynie5980]

@northyorksimonkim it's probably how he went insane

[@ThinkingAvidly]

The child being thrown back in threw the window broke me. I had no idea what I was in for and I did not know what happened to Belerus. 209 towns and 9200 villages were razed to the ground. What happened to that small village happened to roughly 10's of thousands separate groups.

[@raghav9000]

I am not from Belarus, but this movie almost made me tear up. How can someone be so cruel to others

[@tommybootlegger]

This is one of the most intense movies I've ever seen. It's brilliant in its subtlety, how the things that you DON'T see or hear in the film conjure up your own images of fear and horror on a very primal level. The first time I saw it was about a month or two ago, and about a third of the way through, I realized that the way they shot it had a way of pulling the viewer in, and making you feel like you weren't even watching a movie anymore, but looking into a mirror. It also made me curious to learn more about what WW2 was like from the perspective of someone from that part of the world, and for an American who's from a military family, that was a very sobering rabbit hole to go down. It's a great film, but if you haven't seen it, just know that it is definitely not an easy watch.

[@penelopelane7281]

Indeed, not a easy watch, but nevertheless, required viewing.

[@Scarshadow666]

One of the oldest sayings around is "A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." Movies like Come and See seem to show that wars are like that on steroids, with the added unfortunate caveat of people dehumanizing each other (much like denying sharing the same village/tribe/being part of the same species)... 0_0

[@TNT-8M7R]

Regardless of how you feel about the movie, that young man played his part very well.

[@kevinsmith9502]

Just watched this movie.The way he goes from a kid to looking like a 40 year old man is disturbing

[@tequilawatcher2177]

I decided to watch the film yesterday night after having heard about it over the years. Funny enough, I opted to take a break around the 50 min mark, right after the swamp scene. I was pretty shocked and went to bed. I can say with a hundred percent certainty that I've never felt fear and dismay comparable to the woman with the whistle right by the end of the raid on the village (even the odd gore video I had seen when I was a dumb teen).

[@HitachiTRQ-225]

In Russian the title actually says „come and look“ which is more demanding, meant to portray that the main character flyora is forced to bare witness and doesnt have a choice in being affected by the war

[@Cobren1]

The two moments this film has forever etched in my mind were the splinters of the burning barn spraying down like crimson rain. And the before and after of the girl that was dragged across the dirt by her hair and her later appearance with the whistle falling from her mouth as you can see the blood trail on her legs showing that he had been raped.

[@hateferlife]

It's a hard watch but worth it. Capturing the hell that is war ain't easy, but this move wrings truth out in just about everything it does. Just make sure you're in a good place mentally. I'm serious.

[@northyorksimonkim]

I saw the movie yesterday, it was wild, I remember reading as a teen about how the N's pushed villagers into barns and burn them, but I think that was the first time I've seen that depiction on screen. I'm Korean descent the their Japanese friends did the same to mainland Asians so what happened here hits home and is infuriating.

[@bonzibuddy4483]

I read the ending as flyora losing his individuality to become a true soldier as he had always dreamed. After the hitler sequence the camera loses him in the woods momentarilly as he becomes absorbed into the unit and disappears into the column of soldiers. Maybe he drew an ethical line at killing baby hitler, gaining purpose, direction, and a sense of honor...or maybe he realized he was finally broken enough to kill a child, holding that final shot not out of compassion, rather because shooting a poster for revenge is a childish fantasy. He is ready for the real thing now.

[@pianiykeks6423]

That's the dumbest interpretation I've heard in a while.

[@TRUESLOPP]

flyora lost his soul and became a cog to the war machine. he understood that everyone starts as a baby, with zero thoughts and the ideas of atrocities come to them by virtue of ignorance and rage from the surroundings. this film essentially is saying that floyra has the capacity to become hitler like everyone else due to what happened to himself, just like hitler had the capacity to become who he is after WW1 and what happened to germany.

[@bmack4361]

The scene when "Scared war" Played and all of the partisans took the photo together stuck with me. No matter how brutal, Devastating=, Traumatic this war was they prevailed and fought back the pigs no matter what the cost was. 80% of ww2 was the USSR and Germany. We are forever grateful for them or we would not be living in a world like we are now. "Arise strong noble country, Arise for a fight to the death, Against the dark facist forces, Agaisnt the cursed Horde"

[@JJ-iu4px]

If you have no clue how someone came up with the ideas of the massacre scenes. You need only look into the histories of the people there. I remeber an interview with a Norwegian SS soldier that served on the eastern front. He said they burned whole villages in churches like in the movie. And that they would many times arrange gladiator fights to the death for the jewish men, saying that the winner would live, only to kill them all in the end anyways

[@davidw.2791]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate and wonder if OP meant "how did *those nazi death squads* come up with the ideas"

[@Asgard2208]

Truly a masterpiece. One of the great films of cinema. Totally unforgettable. I watched it with my son (he was seeing it for the first time), and he couldn't speak afterward. If you haven't watched it - DO!

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

They used their atmosphere really well in this movie. Its just disturbing. Even in the times of "peace" in the movie it just has this sickly/snuff film vibe about it. This is the type of movie that i Heavily recommend against watching if you are tripping on psychedelics. If you know what i mean you know what i mean.