Why do they always use Urethane!!!!????

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[@nothumbbowler1802]

This was a good demonstration of what a sport shot does.

[@7pinmichael]

I’m using a 1986 black Columbia 300 Udot on my house shot as I’m a left hander and I’m playing around the 7-8 board. At 72 years old I don’t have a lot of speed anymore, so I’m able to get enough revs at my speed to play an outside line and get it back to the pocket. Unfortunately, it’s a 16# ball, so it is a workout.🥵 Works well in my house.

[@remington1439]

Class A video for one’s who wonder why pro’s & amateur’s in tournaments use a urethane when needed to be. Thanks JR.

[@bennyjones3336]

I have a purple hammer. I love it. I realistically only need one ball in the bag.

[@martinboyd3672]

I was having a chat at league the other night and we were talking about why people use urethane , and I said does this mean the ball technology has gone to far now and it's too reactive to use comfortably ! I'm old enough to remember when the 1st reactives came out , I was using a ebonite gyro urethane and always had a good shape , then when I went to reactive I struggled with the ball reaction forcing me to play where I was uncomfortable .

[@tylerwill5250]

Yeap. Balls are WAY too strong now.

[@rbd6661]

I only use my urethane because (1) I don’t have money to buy a new ball and (2) it gives me a reliable ball reaction.

[@kevinspradlin6288]

Me too, and I have learned to ignore the league members that whine about it to me.

[@Tenpinmaster]

ever since i got into my fast pitch i dont throw anything else anymore.. my reactive balls just sit here at home and catch dust.. With the fast pitch i can play on any lane surface, oil pattern and bowling center. That ball just gives me so much more control than any other reactive ball could ever give me.. Urethane for the Win!! :D

[@UtahKent]

JR your videos make more sense than most. This really explained it better than any I had seen. Much appreciated. Thanks again.

[@adouglas7]

This is one of the best explanations and demo on this topic. Excellent job!

[@mogolurch]

this is a fantastic video. as an older bowler who lacks speed and has a higher axis tilt, you just showed the reaction(s) i often get with reactive v urethane. beautifully demonstrated.

[@mariansowinski8967]

What's your layout on your urethane balls?

[@mogolurch]

@@mariansowinski8967 i have a pitch black with a short pin. it's my spare ball plus my ace in the hole when they're really hooking. super controllable. i have a u motion and a uc3, both with 5 inch pins. with the 5 inch pin i can spin the ball or roll up behind it, whichever the condition calls for.

[@fishgutz4272]

Many league nights I use my Black Widow pink urethane through all 3 games. Before I got this, I had nights where I could only string strikes together with my Mix or Fast Pitch. I have a wide blend of reactions in my full arsenal. From the Storm ICE up to the Physix and ASTRO Physix.

[@AndrewWarrenPatriotsfan]

I use urethane balls for the dryer patterns. I use reactive on the oily lanes patterns.

[@etocdec]

Thank you. That was really informative and a great insight on what to look for.

[@timmartin1354]

I actually like seeing some pros using urethane. I enjoy the variety of equipment and area where they bowling.

[@knep24]

Just bowled in a 9 pin tournament that I was struggling the first two games with reactive (phaze ii and zen) and switched to my purple hammer. House pattern that's a little short and I picked up the speed and moved right and had so much more room. Ball continued and gave me predictability, something I want getting with my reactive balls.

[@fishgutz4272]

My only 300 game was a no tap when I used only my Storm Mix. (Polished urethane, not plastic)

[@carlkelly3710]

Excellent video JR. your videos help educate me to be a better bowler

[@robertm6602]

Thank you JR for the explanation. Makes more sense, to me, why people use urethane on flatter patterns.

[@joehoenig7596]

JR--great vid and two related questions: 1. Could you go a bit deeper into when NOT to use urethane? You touched on it a bit at the end of the vid. 2. Forgetting the "urethane ruined my shot" complaints, for a moment, does urethane only have its place on sport or professional oil patterns, but not on a house shot? Or, because modern house shots are not blended like they used to be, and are cliffed, urethane can be used to blend out that cliff? Thank you.

[@robertwar7814]

I’d like to see a short pin reactive used vrs the urethane to truly see the difference here. I drilled a short pin reactive and man do I love it!! Float that up 5 or 10 and watch it roll into the pocket like a urethane ball. Let’s see that comparison and show apples to apples…sort of. Lol

[@tylerwill5250]

Its not similar. Ive done it with plenty of different balls. Only thing that rolls like urethane is urethane.

[@kevinwilson6270]

@@tylerwill5250 I'm on the same page. I only shoot urethane now, my confidence with urethane is undeniable

[@kimlanglewis152]

My first urethane ball I got was a storm Natural. I bought it after seeing Ryan Ciminelli throw it in Reno. I loved the smoothness, and how it was very controllable. Since then, Purple and Pink urethane have been my go to balls. Love every one of them. Long as they keep allowing it, I will use it. With that said, I have go to hybrid and reactive balls to fall back on just in case.

[@kellymcmanaway4069]

Another great video

[@nordattack]

Your best video ever JR! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@personalfinancebusters]

Outstanding explanation. Pros like to stretch the oil down the Lane, scores descent. Switch to Reactive by game 3 and Scored dramatically Higher. It’s a very Intelligent Strategy.

[@53roger]

i just got back bowling from a 40 yr absence. I enjoy your explanations but i have one problem. Your phrases like 'hook stoppy' and 'hook stop' do not make a lot of sense to me...do they mean the same thing? Do you have a video that explains what your terminology looks like on the lanes? That would be another great help. And you explained very well why a 15 yr old Avalanche will no longer hook...so i made it my spare ball. Look forward to more videos. A new sub too!!

[@williamgriffin6256]

Rog, when he says hook stop it means the ball is using all its energy on the front or middle of the lanes and not hooking on the backend. Hooking early. The backend is where you get the "entry angle" JR was speaking of in the video. Hope this helps.

[@steveboguslawski114]

In old-fashioned lingo we would say the ball rolled out. It used up all of its hook potential. With old polyester or hard rubber balls and pancake weight blocks it only happened on very dry lanes, usually at slow ball speeds. Modern urethane/reactive balls have less weight in the shell and more in the core (lower radius of gyration), which allows the ball to go into a roll earlier. The combination of low RG with higher friction surfaces make hook-stop (rollout) more common today, and some drilling layouts enhance this.

[@theb2694]

@@williamgriffin6256 "Hook/stop" does not necessarily mean the ball is hooking early. "Hook/stop" describes the ball transitioning out of the hook phase very quickly.

[@scottythompson940]

Cool video talk to tech bowling ball Jr Raymond I use urarthane bowling ball Brunswick igniter soild 14 pound bowling ball and I use a radical the spy plastic bowling ball 14 pound bowling ball with dynamic core technology in the bowling ball more strike and spares hitting power at time

[@andrewbrunk3185]

Just got a black widow red urethane international release, first urethane. Love it paired with the obsession tour pearl, and the pink and black obsession solid.

[@ApostleDavidETaylor]

If you play the outside of the lane like a Parker Bohn or Norm Duke style, then a urethane may be a little more consistent/predictable for some as the lane breaks down…

[@b.j.thomas8606]

I would love to live on the outside! i'm looking for a new ball that will work for me. So, you think urethane might be a contender? Dad taught me in '68 with rubber, so i'm old school.

[@blinkers88]

@@b.j.thomas8606 Try a purple hammer

[@jonasergo2821]

@@b.j.thomas8606waar ik speel thuis banen , gebruikt er zeker 12 man van de betere 20 spelers de hammer urethane en allemaal via de buitenkant

[@Godsmessagetoday1]

I dont want to use urethane but, I started using it one day, and I got so use to putting so much into the ball that I cant even use anything else. Including other balls that are the same. I have one ball I can keep on the right side of the lane, and thats my Hot Cell

[@mikelombard21]

I haven't watched this video yet but I hope you discuss a little how many pros start out with urethane playing very straight up the gutter than move left and switch into reactive when they are forced to.

[@NotQuiteEpic]

*Laughs in Left-handed bowler*

[@jp300]

I use the purple in every single pattern tournament bowling alley during the last few years. Brings me carry prediction etc etc. The new Nu looks great but isn't the same, it looks like a quite quite reactive ball. Movement is different but I don't how to explain I feel confidence using it

[@kevinscarborough9982]

Two of my team mates use urethane. They help me out alot. I stand left and play around their lines while everyone else follow my team mates and just get flustered.

[@douglasbuck8986]

I'd just like to add ............... urethane helps compensate for OLD AGE.

[@megatbasyarullah4859]

Played league last night for the first time. Only have a zen soul and a mix and man i keep getting a flat 10. Probably will consider a urethane ball.

[@trippshow3541]

Beard is lookin' good JR. Get in there kid!!! You look really healthy bro!

[@caftood]

How much you bench

[@renaiclayton7628]

Great explanation. Well done. 🙏

[@fitnnerdy]

This is a question in regards to playing on the lanes when a lot of urethane has gone down. What's the play? Pearls to get through the fronts/throw it slow to give it time to pickup or throw a solid to pickup in the urethane carrydown?

[@michaelw_yee]

Solid. Thane pushes oil down lane

[@tylerwill5250]

Solid. But ALL balls leave carry down.

[@richardsherrer423]

I practice with urethane and and figured out when to get out of it and what to go to once you get comfortable with it you will start winning more

[@ksjlb2612]

Somewhere Randy Peterson is keeling over with pain. 🙂

[@yukiomizumoto2943]

enjoyed your youtube on urethane. how was your purple hammer drilled? any particular tips on use of that ball?

[@kevinquick4844]

I love my urathane balls. Even when I throw a bad shot I'm not left with a big split or a difficult spare. One or two pins is much easier to pickup than a Greek church or 7-10.

[@cowboy7170]

I was using a strong pearl reactive ball in league and coming out of the ball really good and hitting my mark but the ball kept hooking one board too much and I had around 7 splits in one game. Left all sorts of splits: Greek Church, 7-10, 4-9, 4-7-10. Big 4, etc. Ended up with a 125 game on a 170 average. After that disaster, I started to rely on urethane and plastic balls for strikes. I throw the ball 12 mph and rev dominant at that speed so reactive resin was always hard to control with all that free hook area. My average still didn't improve but I had fewer of those sub-150 games, since I rarely leave splits with urethane because they don't hook much.

[@BowlerJ1]

I've been of the opinion that, if not for two-handed bowling, urethane would not have made a comeback. After watching this video, you've got me wondering if the evolution of resin equipment has gotten too strong for a pro to use on fresh patterns. Also, maybe the type of pro patterns has contributed to the resurgence of urethane. Regardless, I don't appreciate the use of urethane on a house pattern in league. The breakdown of the pattern caused by resin and urethane, can make a house pattern unplayable at times.

[@SteveSmith-mx1bu]

Thank you for this JR could u do one on pitch black maybe cheers steve from Tasmania Australia

[@kevinscarborough9982]

I still have my Ebonite Turbo urethane from '90.

[@SCRATCHONEMORE]

Same, currently using it as my burnt dry lane ball and as a spare ball. Dreading the day it crack on me cuz it allows me to save space in bag by not needing a dedicated spare ball.

[@mikegreene8610]

That helps alot thanks for the info

[@christ9359]

How would a pin down, symm reactive ball compare? I have a pin down BVP Wizard that looks a lot like that purple hammer, but on burnt up house shots, not a flat pattern

[@23thLife]

Thank you!

[@trippshow3541]

Probably the best video yet!

[@johnbarnett6924]

Two handed bowlers get a sharper backend brake ,then this,!this report is dubious at best Dobie. 20 , July 2023 Semper Fi

[@freeekychiiild4765]

Very good explaining the difference between urathane and reactive!!! Great videos!!!

[@williamwoll4703]

I've always wondered why none of the pros ever use the modern plastic balls with weight blocks in them (Black Widow Spare, Radical Spy, Pathogen Blue Dot, etc.), especially when the lane get very dry. I have been forced to shift to all plastic because injuries have dropped my ball speed from nearly 19 to barely 13 mph, but I still have my high revs. Throwing these balls (including my new number 1 - KR Strikeforce Clear Rose) lets me play the same lines as my reactive throwing counterparts, just with less speed (and sometimes it is not that great a difference). My one teammate even called my ball "reactive plastic". In one of his videos, Packy Hanrahan actually threw a 300 with The Spy, but stated he would not use it in tournaments. Why? If it could be a useful addition to an arsenal when the lanes get tough, why not use it.

[@ripvanrevs]

I just had a 758 and 736 at different houses with plastic white dot. No reason you can't use it in a tournament but very few tournaments would have a pattern that would make it useful.

[@c0rruptedhusky]

Question. So, you used an Envision on this pattern, and showed that urethane smooths this reaction out, yes. But, wouldn't a low end reactive ball that isn't going to do a whole lot fare better here instead of an asym? Just curious as this video didn't point that out.

[@TeamIFDVideos]

Depends. A low end could potentially have a lot of over under as well since it will skid on the higher volume of oil up front.

[@poggergen1937]

I have an ebonite stinger pearl that is way too much for me. Yesterday, I was throwing from the furthest left dot and was feeding it to the right side.. I was striking but that was a one time occasion. Would it be wise of me to switch to a purple hammer urethane? Or maybe keep the Stinger and add the Purple Hammer to use for really oily lanes?

[@porsche9441987]

Great speech!

[@douglasbuck8986]

It just simplifies everything ...... less variance ............. LESS OVERCLOCKING.

[@czarjericho]

I joined summer PBA experience league and my teammate used mostly urethane balls. Every now and then he starts with reactive balls but then he finds himself more comfortable with urethane balls and used them in the beginning of the first game. Unfortunately for me, urethane changes the oil drastically and urethane balls just don't get affected by it for the most part. I understand that it was my first PBA experience league and I had no expectations (I managed to carry 165 average), but it drives me crazy that the urethane pushes the oil so much that the lanes become unreadable or unpredictable. My regular season teammates don't use urethane, so if I start to use it they might not like me. I know because at the end of the day in that summer PBA experience league I don't like my teammate. IMO why join the PBA experience if you are going to equip yourself with balls that are less affected by the oil patterns.

[@Hydrosized]

You can’t miss when you want to! Lol

[@eleineke]

If that envision was drilled short pin, would it compare to the purple hammer?

[@tylerwill5250]

Doubt it. Hard to recreate urethane without urethane

[@Christopher68Young]

Very well said!🎉

[@srujay]

excellent video thanks!

[@rakkup7572]

Helps me, thanks!

[@usafvet5602]

JR...I'm bowling in a scratch league and we're actually bowling the next few weeks on this pattern (Seoul). Question, in lieu of using urethane, what about using lower diff balls like a Hustle Camo or Hammer Raw? Is that something we could use as an alternative on these sport patterns?

[@kenport101]

I don’t think that is recommended because those balls don’t see the middle part of the lane which will store too much energy for the back part of the lane which will result in a uncontrollable reaction like in the video

[@douglasbuck8986]

I use mid range equipment (Cyborg, Kinetic Black Ice) with a high number on the surface - even polish in tandem if needed.

[@terrywerner8600]

What are your thoughts on the Radical Doublecross?

[@kkaunitz3700]

Does the bowler x shop always watch a person throw a ball before they purchase one. I need a new ball after viewing a bunch of your videos I have improved my game by 50 pins a game but I need to have 18+ prices of tape in my thumb and I still feel like it's going to fly off my hand. I want to drive down to Waterford from Bay City soon and hope to get fitted to a ball properly.

[@richgarza1503]

They’ll take the time to make sure you’re getting a ball that fits your game. Especially if you don’t know your PAP and your other numbers. I’ve never seen them sell one just to sell one. Would definitely be worth the drive for you!

[@donreinholz8121]

This was a great explanation of why we all need thane if bowling on sport shots.

[@nickwood2225]

People wouldn't be as confused if you had a color commentator (Randy) that could have explained this many many times, but choses to commentate on stupid ridiculous things that makes you wanna mute the damn tv. He doesn't even catch the ball changes that bowlers do. He said Troup changed balls on a lane which he did that 3 frames prior.

[@steveschu]

I swear this is Kurt Loder from MTV.

[@djdavis1x]

Great vid!

[@tigertolliver5199]

Brilliant!!!

[@sleepinggiant4062]

Don't they get mad because it moves the oil down the lane making it more difficult for normal reactive balls to work?

[@SirJoelsuf1]

Bowlers throw urethane stuff today like they were throwing particle stuff 15-20 years ago...it's in-style, popular, and simplifies things. If I know that all I need to do to score on a house shot is feed my super aggressive ball to the 5 board and it will hook NO MATTER WHAT, it takes any other adjustments out of play. This is how I shot 720 with nothing but my Redemption Solid, easily one of the five most aggressive balls to come out over the last couple years. It's how a left hander in my league who is almost perfectly matched up with his speed and rotation shot 829 with a purple hammer (recent one, not the ones from 5+ years ago which were "too soft" to be legal). I'll be real honest, most bowlers just need a couple of super aggressive bowling balls in their bag and that's all they need, urethane or not.

[@user-wh6sp6st8s]

Depends on what you play on. I average 230 on a house shot with a Motiv Primal Rage that is I dont even know how old now.

[@tylerwill5250]

I still throw a particle ball from the 2000’s

[@user-wh6sp6st8s]

@@tylerwill5250 my first ball was a hammer big block diesel from circa 05 or so. Miss that thing

[@jamesbeavers1765]

Hey jr how are you doing today?

[@simmons_bowling]

0:24 looks like Eminem

[@davidtran5579]

Prime JR

[@johndennis879]

Bull I'm still throwing my urethane purple beast and it still hooks like I want and I have shot multiple 600 or better series with it this season

[@iwilrage]

But why would anyone get made if someone uses a urethane ball? Hell we even allow two handed now..

[@GracieGarage]

Here is my opinion. Instead of hitting on it so much, you were smooth then you would not need urethane. I have been working on this so much. Timing my slide step with my arm swing and release to be really smooth. If Earl Anthony were in his prime today, he would have no issue using reactive on any lane condition.

[@theb2694]

What is your average and experience in the sport of bowling? You seemed to have missed the entire point of why you would want to throw urethane over reactive.

[@GracieGarage]

@@theb2694 My average is 0. I have not bowled in a league in a long time. I can not wait to start my summer league. I started bowling at a very young age when there was rubber. As a teenager, plastic. As I got into my late teens, urethane. In my early 20's, reactive. I quit just as the first Columbia resin came out, the beast. I actually threw a 300 with it. But, stopped shortly after, to focus on my education. Now, I am 53 and coming back for unfinished bowling goals.

[@tydc3261]

I tell ppl don’t get mad get better. Haha

[@ApostleDavidETaylor]

Are both of these balls the same core symmetry though?

[@erikknudson3077]

beard game on point. throwing my yellow dot..............

[@marlonwilson9861]

Are the lanes replaced JR?

[@raimokautto720]

What is Raymond your personal count. How you count it.

[@porsche9441987]

And if they just watch the pros like yourself…………lol

[@_xvvvier_]

Simple lighter oil balls seem to do better on harder thiner patterns

[@Tenpindoctors]

Not true

[@Tenpindoctors]

Also todays urethane isn’t a “light oil” ball

[@SirJoelsuf1]

Nope. Aggressive balls do better on said patterns. And urethane stuff from the last 5-10 years are designed for medium-heavy patterns.

[@SuburbAllied]

I'd like Urethane if it didn't destroyed the oil pattern. One can also ask themselves why not simply go with a bowling ball that is less aggressive. I mean, a Tropical Surge would do just fine on those lanes. It feels more like this generation of bowlers have lost the ability to select the proper bowling ball and are now forced to trust the materials instead. Today it seems its all about rev, rev, and some more rev, using two hands a huge plus...

[@cowboy7170]

Dull reactive resin balls do more destruction to a lane pattern than urethane. Urethane does not absorb oil but reactive resin does. Resin dries up the heads really bad, so if you can't get your ball through the heads, it don't matter what a urethane ball does down the lane. Try to score on toasted heads with your most aggressive ball and see what happens. Oil gets carried down no matter what type of ball is used. A plastic ball used for spares pushes more oil than urethane.

[@brentclark6211]

I get pros using urethane balls on sport shots and having a more predicable and controlled ball path, but I don't think that's the issue that most "average" bowlers have, at least not in my experience. In my experience, it's the 150ish average bowlers on a normal league that can't get their ball to do what they want it to because they are inconsistent bowlers, switching to a urethane ball at the start of the second game on a standard house shot, when everybody else on the lane just shot 190 plus and have a great shot going, just to have their line destroyed by an inconsistent, and honestly not very good bowler. The problem is all these Joe Blows that are mediocre at best, seeing the pros switch to urethane and have amazing "comeback" results on a difficult pattern, thinking that if they switch to a urethane ball they're going to get the same results. For pros in head to head tournaments, like I said, I get it. For the average guy on a 5 man team league, it's hard enough having to fight to maintain a decent line, let alone fight against a bowler who can't throw the same line twice pushing and throwing oil everywhere with a urethane because it will "help" them. Personally, I think urethane should not be allowed in standard leagues at all. Majority of the leagues around are going to be a "standard" house shot, which is usually not going to require a urethane. Even towards the end of the third game, a less reactive, less aggressive, or symmetrical ball should be more than enough to compensate for oil breakdown. Again, this might just be my experience and my opinion, but personally, I think this is the bigger issue that everybody has. If people have a problem with pros throwing a urethane, that has no effect on them at all, and affects that pro's livelihood, then they need to revaluate their priorities.

[@millenniumshot7505]

It's called making the correct adjustments...not looking for the world to accommodate and make things easier for you..lmao

[@barkanellichasingdreams4142]

It is still boring to watch. The profile is supposed to be difficult and the best bowlers is who should win.