Lifters!!! Cheap vs. Quality - What You Need to Know!

[@stellingbanjodude]

I’ve only used GMPP lifters and factory trays in my engine builds and have never had a problem

[@Salbritt]

Funny, I did the opposite and placed GM Race Lifter with mild torque cam that never revs over 6k. Good info and right on information

[@josediaz999]

That’s why I only shop GPI. They help you threw your build and are very knowledgeable. You can’t beat great service.

[@badgerbait8351]

Was just talked into buying a set of the Johnson 2110s. Dang things weren't cheap, so thanks for the affirmation!

[@avee3301]

What would U recommend I’m getting my truck cam want to know whitch ones are good ? Chevy Silverado 2003

[@badgerbait8351]

@@avee3301 All the research I've conducted leads me to the Johnson lifters for drop-in replacements on the LS. Was also very pleased to see the "Make in the USA" on the side of the box! I know Morels are a good brand too (I run them on a healthy big block chev), but several machine shops have indicated that the Johnsons are definitely a step up!

[@thedollarboys8600]

Just bought me a set of 2110r Johnson’s! So excited that I’ve got good quality now. My 408 stroker build was almost trashed because the guy who built it put some cheap ass Delphi ls7 lifters in it. One completely grinded itself on my cam and now I’m thousands in on my build bc of one cheap ass mistake

[@andrew4x4x4]

Same.... broke the roller on a ls7 lifter. Trashed everything, but gave me a reason to rebuild it better.

[@jelenekoutdoors9023]

same here but going full forged 😆 great

[@charlesprovance570]

Good to know. I went with the caddy race lifters to go with GPI stage III cam and Circle D stall. Yes, they cost a little more.

[@ProGen6]

Went with them too after GPI's advise. Happy i made that decision.

[@Dark1LE]

Do you have a link for the lifters?

[@davepalmer9265]

Where did you get the lifters from. Having slight trouble finding genuine ones

[@Alanp2232]

I think it’s worth noting that genuine GM lifter trays should be used to keep the lifters square on the lobes. I bet when people are buying cheap lifters they are also getting knockoff trays that allow the lifters to spin on the lobes causing the damage you pointed out.

[@breakxbox2500]

I chose the factory ls7 lifters that came with GPI cam kit 3 years ago. And after 3 years they failed.

[@hortonj63]

Chose LS7 lifters for my SS2 VVT . FBO. Currently being installed. Went with all these parts : · Accell Extreme 9000 LS Ceramic White Plug Wires · ARP Head Bolts · ARP Exhaust Manifold Bolts · ARP Crank Bolt · BMR Poly Engine Mounts (Hammertone/Red) · BTR .660 Valve Springs Kit · CHE LS Trunnion Kit · Cometic .040 MLS Head Gaskets · Delphi LS7 Lifters (16) · Dexcool Orange Coolant (3Gal not pictured) · Gates K060854 Serpentine Belt · GM 41-110 Spark Plugs (inspected and all within tooner specs) · GM AC Belt · GM Intake Manifold Gaskets · GM LS2 Timing Chain Damper · GM LS3 Valley Cover + Bolts · GM Lifter Trays (4) · GM MLS Exhaust Manifold Gaskets · GM Timing Cover Gasket · GM Timing Cover Seal · GM Valve Cover Gaskets (2) · GM Water Pump Gaskets (2) · GM VVT Sprocket Bolt · GPI SS2 VVT Cam · GPI 7.400 Pushrods · GPI VVT Phaser Kit · Hinson C5.R Timing Chain · ICT Billet Cam Retainer Plate + Bolts · Melling Oil Pump 10355

[@703Speed]

What did all those parts cost you

[@ThatDudeTrent1]

After seeing 3 engines have multiple lifter failures in my friend group with genuine LS7 lifters I will not be buying anything LS7. I have a set of the Johnson 2110s going in my 6.2. Thanks for the info.

[@C6Z_Bob]

Good info! I bought the Johnson 2116LSRs because I beat the absolute hell out of my engine. Probably way overkill for the 7000 rpm I'm turning though.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

The 2116LSR are super high quality!

[@dalehall2993]

@@GwatneyPerformance Can you use the 2116lsr on a stock ls9 cam in an lsa?

[@gregschultz2029]

Thank You For Your Help On My Build !!!

[@excuses_tx]

Had a 2110 fail 2 days after they went in, and now it looks like a couple more are on the way out.

[@maxxmasson4263]

i am sold on your video i will use Johnson lifters on my Pontiac

[@myrondel]

I'm sorry you're building a Pontiac, I have some custom taller valve covers that I designed and made for my Pontiac's, and a valley cover. I think I still have these, if you're local to MPLS, MN I'll give them to you. Let me know and good luck, I managed just under 700hp, 660 torque with my NA 462ci street app. 70 Judge, a very long time ago.

[@raho24781]

Just found #5 intake sticky -calling in for a set of Johnsons ,11 to 1 Motor been on shake down since hope this is my last week link ,and ive herd some Horror Stories ~! Thank You ~!

[@alexb6018]

The morel's are renowned for the pistons getting jammed at the bottom. or sticky as you put it.

[@donniedavis921]

Can I use 7.400" Chromoly Pushrods, 5/16" x .080" wall with the caddy performance lifters?

[@normajorge9906]

Did the 7.400 pushrods worked for you with the caddy lifters?

[@chandlerlofton6536]

I’ve got LS7s in my 408. I wish I would have known about the Johnsons when I built it! Mine are ok, but noisy. I think I’m going to go with.100 preload and see if they shut up.

[@evcass69]

Which oil pump do you recommend with LS axle oiling lifters to restore oem-type oil pressure without starving a wet sump oil pickup? Melling 10295?

[@robertogarza7913]

M365

[@Standyourground21]

Good info, I just picked up the LS7 lifters a few weeks ago. Wish I knew about the upgraded LS7 with the bow tie. Are they for the LT1 GEN 5 engine or just the GEN III and IV engine.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

The GM Performance "Caddy Race" lifters work for both the LS and Gen V LT platform! It's probably the most common lifter we run on builds in the shop, both LS and LT!

[@HandSolo1]

@@GwatneyPerformancethey are a bit noisy correct? Running a BTR stage 2 red hot along with BTR .660 dual springs and have the Caddy lifters.

[@michaelgreen7028]

Our local Chevrolet dealership currently has four vehicles with less than 30k miles with factory ls engines with catastrophic engine failure due to factory [sourced] lifters.

[@olveramelinda]

That’s different those are dod lifters

[@dhangejr]

Im curious about potential knock off johnsosn or morels

[@RobSmith-lv6jb]

I installed the Morel 5321 hyd roller lifter and I consider them a great fishing weight or if your trying to wake the dead. Noisy as hell, rattle like a steel bucket with bolts in it. Always get comments from other guys when they hear my engine and ask "is everything OK in there". Dont buy the Morel rubbish.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

Yes, Morel for us, has gotten worse with quality over the years. Have not had good success with them in a while.

[@nickgarrett2533]

So according to Morel. Their lifter stated in this video has a travel of 0.120. Not 0.200. Also the "caddy" lifters require a smaller preload as they are short travel, so no, using the same pushrod as the LS7 style is not ok as it will over preload the lifters. They require shorter pushrods due to the less amount of plunger travel internally. Just a few points of misinformation i noticed.

[@drhoadsveersixx]

Where did you find the info of caddy race lifter needing to be less preload? I can’t find any real info on these lifters

[@JTrump23]

Would I be able to combine the Johnson Lifters (2110R) with a Stage 3 cammed GMC Sierra for daily driver and some street/track fun? Don’t want to end up with lifter failure in the future..

[@GwatneyPerformance]

The Johnsons, but 2110 and 2110R, are excellent lifters! Just make sure you're running the appropriate pushrod length! If you need some assistance, just shoot us an email and we'd be happy to help point you in the right direction!

[@m.scottmunger4685]

Thanks. Rethought it. Got the 2110r instead

[@SoDiezl350]

I noticed you guys sell various cam motion lifters. Are the "OEM" cam motion lifters rebranded ls7 lifters?

[@lit549]

so, ive had 3 different L31 engines that have all had the same issue, noisy lifter, bleed down too fast and clatter upon startup.. Latest engine has been the worst, all 3 were comp camshafts, and every single one had the worst constant noise on the #2 bank, usual 4 or #6 cylinder. Seems to be a common issue but comp and many other manufacturers cant give me a reason why this occurs.. Usually its "its just part of the territory with roller cams".. Even the new 383 i have the builder says the same.. The last 383 I built i used lunati lifters and had zero issues.. Any suggestions?? Its just a street 470hp 383 sbc.. At this point im super frustrated,..

[@jakefriesenjake]

I'm looking for a new hrc for my sbc. I went with comp cams solid roller setup 15 years ago to be cool on the street. Well It took 15 years to finish my car. I've been driving it here and there and came back from a cruise and noticed the valve train was noisier. So I checked it. 0.111" back lash on one! I should have checked it way way more often but I just got it on the road. So with sitting for 15 years, high spring pressures, and not checking the lash, I gotta put in a new cam and lifters now. And springs. Probably go with hydraulic roller

[@b.c4066]

Did you find a solution or better lifters?

[@lit549]

@@b.c4066 ive yet to try them yet but i have a friend with the same engine, same issue, he installed some Howards roller lifters and it solved the issue. Zero bleed down. I was also told by my engine builder to look at Gaterman Lifters, he has a website if ya wanna go check em out. They look like a good piece.

[@andretorben9995]

Whatever lifter you buy do not buy the Morel hyd rollers. You'd be better off with cheap ebay Chinese knock-off's. I bought a set of Morels and they have total rubbish. Noisy as hell, nobody want to own up to an issues and there's always a new excuse for the noise. After I started having issues I google'd "Morel noisy" and there's a lot of people having these problems. Bad quality to simply not working, noise all sorts of problems. I've tries all sorts of oils, all sorts of preloads, checked valve spring pressures. I've had the rocker covers off so many times I've lost count. Do yourself a favor and dont buy Morels, get some quality made in the USA lifters with a good track record. Morel is rubbish.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

I don't disagree. Some people swear by certain brands, for us.....that would be GMPP Race and Johnson!

[@AdambrookshireII222]

Can you make a video on hemi 6.1 lifters

[@TehKneegrowplease]

what should i get for a 96 lt1? i want either the lt4 hotcam , or comp cam 503, the engine is all stock

[@thomaskovacs5094]

There are a ton of "ls7" lifters for sale on ebay for 89.99. That would be my bet.

[@breakxbox2500]

Don't do it!

[@gilberthale7777]

Invest once, don't buy twice... Low prices are not tempting to me, they are a red flag warning.

[@frankt7769]

What lifters came out in a genuine L77 and are they crap,im not talking about high rpm or racing just everyday easy driving

[@HWPcville]

I need 8 tappets for a 30 yo diesel engine (Westerbeke) but none can be found. Are there businesses that could/would make them for a relatively reasonable cost?

[@normajorge9906]

Caddy race lifter and delphi ls7 lifter same size? I want to keep the pushrods and all and just replace delphi with the caddy race lifters? I have a tsp stage 4 f-35 cam with all needed parts

[@HioSSilver1999]

Good vid rhino!

[@GwatneyPerformance]

Glad you liked it!

[@andrew4x4x4]

I just had a ls7 lifter fail. Broke the roller in half and trashed everything.

[@jds1906]

what the hell is a Johnson twennyonetane?

[@79tazman]

I got tired with garbage lifters and went to Johnson lifters since then I have not had a issue but before I was using other name lifters with their cams and on the flat tappet deal was going through cam and lifters on break in and have never had a cam break in issue but then it become a every single time issue.

[@brianf8621]

Question on what is considered high lift and high spring pressures? I am looking at 6500 rpms, .375 of cam lift and open spring pressure of 400#s.

[@pontiaco]

Say I wanna use your SS3 cam on my 2018 1LE camaro, do I need to change the lifters or the factory one should be ok? My car has 12k miles.

[@irvingbar4569]

Do you have to preload lifters I purchased the gm performance caddy lifters

[@avee3301]

Are those good?

[@VinnyMartello]

Any opinions on EngineTech flat hydraulic lifters for GM V8’s?

[@GTguitarworks]

I currently have a problem with a lifter in a 5.7 Vortec I got from NUTECH by ATK, NO oil coming up through the #6 exhaust valve lifter causing the # 6 exhaust valve push rod to bend and the valve to seize open, they are sending me a new head and told me to replace all the lifters even though the other ones don't look damage, from the pictures I sent them. To me they look like they have more wear than the 82 miles I put on them. but they say they look good but told me to go ahead and replace them anyways..? Anyways my question is, because the lifters that are in there now don't have those lines and the roller is actually wide like your good one there but, what is your opinion on reliable lifter for a 5.7 Vortec? Thanks.

[@XWilkaX]

If I run 60 thou and 80 thou preload on oem ls7s but suspecting either lifter bleed down or valve float, any recommendations for lifter or pushrod change? Was going to go 2110rs and remeasure, little 227/239 cam, nothing crazy. Anything past 6500 it goes nuts.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

There could be multiple factors affecting high RPM valvetrain stability - shoot us an email with some details and we'd be happy to help point you in the right direction!

[@christopherhernandez9115]

What about the melling lifters ?

[@pontiaco]

Can I use the LS7 lifters with your SS3 cam???

[@journeyquest1]

Why didnt you put roller in the title?

[@DerekOfRivia]

Any opinions on Melling vs Sealed power for a 94 dodge stealth?

[@chrissantiago405]

Where do you buy good quality lifters I was thinking on getting morel lifters of Michigan motor sport but people say it’s china

[@GwatneyPerformance]

Meh, we sell quality lifters that we believe in, no china junk here.

[@easttnrailray5685]

A friend has a set of used Morel 7717 lifters with less then 1000k miles at a very cheap to me price. My questions are will this lifter work in a 2004 5.3l with a Texas Speed stage 2 low lift cam (not installed yet), Pros and cons please.

[@andretorben9995]

Morel is rubbish. Just google "Morel noise" and see how many people are having issues. I'm one of Morels unfortunate victims and I wish I'd never bought them. Absolute trash.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

Honest opinion is that we don't use their cams so I can not speak on how aggressive their lobes are on that cam.

[@Blown6.2]

Will the LS7 lifters be good enough for your SS1 vvt cam? Because I bought your SS1 vvt cam and bought the LS7 lifters, and the cam is 637 lift

[@The1st60ft]

Yessir. I have the LS7 lifters from GPI with my GPI SS1 vvt cam. Been running great for over 2 years now. Tons of 1/4 mile passes

[@Blown6.2]

@@The1st60ft awesome thanks brotha, btw I follow you on Instagram, my username is L99maro

[@pyrorye-80]

Ls7 lifterd are fine for a much bigger cam. Im running them in my max kit with their stage 3 cam

[@Blown6.2]

@@pyrorye-80 thanks man

[@pyrorye-80]

@@Blown6.2 no problem

[@richardjones990]

Are Crower solid roller lifters any good?

[@blubu68]

They're Johnson best imo

[@treybadd]

Why wouldn’t you tell people to avoid morels if you know there are issues? I’m so fuckin tired of trying to find lifters that aren’t shit without spending $900. I got Delphi’s from Texas speed for a stock rebuild I’m working on for a friend. Gonna need some for a stage 1 tsp 6.2 for mine. I was considering morel.

[@timothyberlinski2299]

What does the short travel ones do?

[@nurburgringdreaming2221]

Hell yea. Straight the F up. I like that.

[@jmc6940]

What is the best lifter i can use in your opinion when doing the dod lifter delete.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

GMPP or Johnson

[@bones_atx6303]

I was under the impression that Morel 6504 / 5315 lifters were a step up form LS7 lifters but maybe I was mistaken? If nothing else, the Morel lifters have a floating axle with lock ring and it seems like they have a taller machined surface that contacts the lifter bore. Both should be better for a cam with a smaller base circle.

[@bones_atx6303]

@@jason3211 no clue what that has to do with my comment.

[@Dark1LE]

Are Delphi ls7 good for stage 4?

[@trey8543]

Morel drop ins are now part #7717 for anybody shopping. Theyre supposed to have upgraded internals over the 6504s

[@andretorben9995]

Morels are rubbish. Do yourself a favour and buy something decent. I bought Morel and had nothing but issues. I think they must be made in China these days from recycled push bikes. Just google "morel noisy" and see all the people having issues.

[@thegrinch7219]

Elgin makes a good ls lifter made in 🇺🇸

[@lte008]

How many noisy Morel lifters have you guys had?

[@andretorben9995]

If you look up "Morel" in the dictionary it says "noisy as hell, bad quality" I have a set and I wish I'd never bought them. Rattle like hell. Sound like a set of solids with 150 thou clearance and they are supposed to be quiet hyd rollers. Its all over the internet just google "Morel noisy", heaps of people having issues.

[@GwatneyPerformance]

Every set lol

[@lte008]

@@GwatneyPerformance I used to use them alot. Until the noise, not anymore......

[@smallblockchevyman]

man i just bought a 2014 ss with the 6.2 ls3 , and the lifters are so damn loud in it, it has a btr stage 2 cam and headers and cold air and all that but the damn lifters just make the car almost embarrassing to drive it so loud , my wife got me the camaro so i really wonna love the car but with damn ticking is just keeping that from happening. can you tell me the best lifter to use with the stage 2 cam to quiet this thing down so i can enjoy it without feeling like im driving a half dozen singer sewing machines around?? preferably without having to do alot of rod changing and such.

[@andretorben9995]

Your comment sounds exactly like my engine. So loud its embarrassing around other car guys. I installed a set of brand new Morels and its like a steel bucket with bolts rattling around inside. Absolute rubbish.

[@juanaguirre8001]

Any update ? What did you end up doing

[@smallblockchevyman]

@juanaguirre8001 no updates 😢 it's just as bad as ever,I changed rockers cause they had clicking in them and went to a upgraded bearing for them and that helped a little ,talked to some guys at a few car shows and they say it's the injectors not the lifters,and that the aftermarket injectors are noisy,but I really don't know that I believe that lol so sorry no good news from me

[@Leon-Servant-of-Christ]

Its called ebay my friend and they really suck!

[@PrismIsAPuck]

will the morel lifter be safe running up to 7500rpms or so?

[@alexb6018]

You wouldn't run a morel lifter to 4k rpm. they are junk. Listen to the man and run johnson, or johnson hi-lift or Gatermen and or the gm ones and that it it full stop!

[@bones_atx6303]

@@alexb6018 lolwut

[@alexb6018]

@@bones_atx6303 well, we have run morel to 5200 rpm but the rattle as they collapsed made your butt hole tighten. Still stand by our comment with the addition that the Crane Hydraulic Roller lifters were the Best. So now it's Gaterman, Hy Lift Johnson or Johnson, Morel if you want to end in tears.

[@andretorben9995]

@@alexb6018 This guy is right. I bought a set of Morel and they really are rubbish. Noisy as hell. DO NOT BUY MOREL they are rubbish.

[@alexb6018]

I guess you have your answer, buy Gaterman (which we stock) or HyLift Johnson or Johnson. Morel are pure marketing, and they don't honor warranty (all the excuses in the world how it is your fault and they can't warrant the way you drive or build) Morel are just a Heartbreaking way to reduce your Engine to a piece of crap.

[@terrywilson581]

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[@lawrencedeaninvestments2171]

Love it making a high rpm motor then trying to save a little on a peace of shit lifter

[@mikenewsome4436]

Umm...umm...ummm! Wtf...umm..umm

[@ovalsx]

Ls7s are junk!

[@jaydubb71]

First

[@pooparrow5]

Thanks man

[@GwatneyPerformance]

You're welcome!

[@suicidal_racing]

The china buckets are bad to..seen new lifters loose in them...