Lightyear's ORIGINAL TWIST & DELETED SCENES Revealed!

[@peterchestowski2419]

If everyone knew Zurg was his father, Pixar should have used this to their advantage to make their journey meaningful. Heck, his dad could have "died" in some way, only to show up in Zurg armor that keeps him bearly alive. Zurg itself could have been an AI robot using his father for something. This way you have a father and son journey, perfect for "Fathers Day".

[@SnooziacTM]

Pixar should've hired you for this movie. You have a great idea here.

[@perealemany4856]

Yeah bro watch star wars xD

[@Cappytain101]

Sadly since we can’t fix that now by giving you a job at Pixar if they ever make a sequel to this movie maybe they can introduce the actual Big Z, probably still not related to Buzz but the absolute evil dick bag who loved everything he was doing, closer to the animated series. Who knows maybe he might even kill future Buzz for stealing his stuff and show that he doesn’t fuck around.

[@Shrimpmann]

me and my friends would have enjoyed this rather than the stupid movie we got

[@DanchloPlays]

My brothers toy says "son".

[@NightBane345]

Can you imagine, if Zurg had been Buzz father, it could've given such a ground for his villany, Zurg being mad how command treated Buzz, how they gave up on searching for him. All he wanted was get revenge on those who wronged Buzz in his eyes, and when he finally got Buzz back, be so blinded and mad with years of resentment, he couldn't let it all go. Something along those lines, and given the whole father reveal such an impact, would've been amazing, following original Toy Story reveal, but make it their own

[@HORRIOR1]

I wonder how many scenes they scrapped when they decided to change the twist. I mean we all know what was said in Toy Story 2, but even then they would have had to foreshadow Buzz's father at least once (or have him be on the same planet and somehow survive the 62 years before Sox perfected the hyper fuel), and somehow explained how he had all this technology.

[@NightBane345]

@@HORRIOR1 Like father like son, he got mad only Buzz was doing it, and he tried to do it, something went wrong, and people thought he had died, but in truth, he survived. And Buzz was told when he came back, his father had died in a failed attempt. In the accident he travelled forward in time, found a way, to travel back, from the legacy of Buzz, having succeeded later down the line, so he had the tech to replicated it all. Went back to when Buzz supposedly managed to do it all, but history had been lied to, and Buzz was treated as a criminal. Furious he went back, to the timeline the movie is set in, to save Buzz from commander douche, and his emotions took over. Making him become a tyrant, from the noble goal of saving his son, to becoming a tyrant, it can happen

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@NightBane345 it happens

[@eevd350z]

Instead, they focused more into diversity rather than story 😒

[@SnooziacTM]

What they thought was "too predictable" was EXACTLY what everyone wanted when it came to Zurg's reveal. Pixar missed the mark.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

(Meanwhile, it an alternate universe) You: What they thought was “too divergent” was EXACTLY what everyone wanted when it came to Zurg’s reveal. Pixar really missed the mark.

[@SnooziacTM]

@@Joseph_Drew_III You have no life. Get one.

[@mray4784]

@@Joseph_Drew_III Disney must be paying you too well.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

@Acer Chromebook Okay I genuinely feel bad for you. Not the others though.

[@judebaun9993]

@Acer Chromebook same.

[@nightlock826]

The issue with Zurg being a older buzz is we never see any evil from Buzz in really anyway, he hates rookies yet never yells or is mean to them just dismissive. He also completely hates robots with the exception of Socks who he for some reason seemed to like immediately, and despite the fact that yes he is obsessive with his mission he never showed aggression enough to be Zurg.

[@lonelysatoshi2482]

Yeah, in reality that's just what the plot twist needed, more buildup from present Buzz having his little moments of aggressive obsession to complete his goals and eliminate that hatred for robots considering that he whould eventually become more robot than man

[@DiegoKawasaka]

@@lonelysatoshi2482 i think this could be fixed with a bit more backstory of the older version of Buzz...all we got was he was not welcome as a hero..flew as far away as he could and ended up on that ship in the future.... they could added a bit more to that

[@TimaeusEXE]

@@DiegoKawasaka I think that's what the sequel would show us. Because whatever Buzz will soon discover Zurg is already aware of and can be part of his backstory expanding m

[@parycartoons6840]

If they wanted to do something else with him, that itself would have been fine, I wouldn't have liked it because it still messes with the lore but another big problem was that we were never given any hint that alternate versions of the same person from two timelines in this universe was even possible. Yeah we get the stuff about how a few minutes for Buzz flying is years for everyone else but that's not the same thing. Just one or two lines in passing alluding to the possibility or have Sox say something when they get back could've fixed it but as it stands it just feels like it comes out of no where.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

Hating autopilots isn’t the same as hating robots. Buzz gets along perfectly well with E.R.I.C.

[@honestmistake8167]

The pool playing skit was probably a joke that'd help the film feel more like a 90's movie, same with the scrapped designs of the minerbots. something about the very smooth robots would've helped add to the feel as well. I do wish that Zurg had a cape, but I still love his design in this movie.

[@Stringer7390]

I think including the Zurg Bots relaxing scene would have made them seem a lot more interesting as characters.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

I don’t think they were supposed to be characters.

[@Stringer7390]

@@Joseph_Drew_III well maybe for comedy

[@aidanacebo9529]

I think they did good with the way they portrayed them as singular-minded not-so-much-murder-machines, but definitely utilitarian in function with a heavy emphasis on combat and exploration, which matches the Zurg ship story too. very cool 40K vibes from a lot of it, if not some MAJOR Mobile Suit Gundam vibes. I like how they kept the tone serious to a degree.

[@markdelgado1029]

I like how they were portrayed. I think that would have taken me out of the moment if they put that scene in. It doesn't need to be completely serious, because its Buzz, but I like more intimidating Zurg Bots. It was funny how they were portrayed either way, like when the robot starts to get up, then the ship falls. I think that was good enough IMO.

[@topcomicx8568]

I don't think having Zurg as future Buzz was a good idea, I would have prefered him to be a robot alien Emperor or Buzz's father.

[@electrobob992]

Or even a robot ai created BY star command after Buzz never returned, or something. It going rogue becoming Zerg. The first fully robot ranger.

[@skullface6890]

@@electrobob992 I mean that’s not a bad idea since this movie is suppose to be going in new different ways

[@SKF10]

It's better having a twist that wasn't predictable then having a twist that was.

[@skullface6890]

@@SKF10 but isn’t that what toy story fans wanted to see??

[@martineshamzin7535]

I hated how the message was that Buzz needed the help of everyone, nd couldn't be a hero on his own. What a terrible lesson to teach kids that they should listen to peer pressure instead of themselves, and that they aren't good enough on their own.

[@andersondawn3631]

I would have preferred Zurg was Buzz’s father. I think it could have worked if it was handled right. Just feels like a cop out 😵‍💫

[@unionpacific3863]

If the problem was that it was going to be predictable, then don't make it a stupid twist. If amazing that they care more of having a twist that being consistent with the franchise. Twist don't equal good writing, Pixar!

[@candlejack101]

"cop out" of a shitty star wars joke your right

[@liamgraves1564]

Well there's a detail that the ship was deserted when alternative buzz found it, maybe the real zurg (who might be buzz's father) was angered by this action and rebuilds his entire ship to take revenge and to take his armor back. Maybe the sequel will explain things better.

[@TimaeusEXE]

Well understand that in future movies Zurg will be Buzz's biggest and hardest enemy because he is him. He knows everything he'll do.

[@StellarElijah01]

If it was like that everyone would be like: oh yeah uhh wow that's pretty cool I guess that's nice

[@TheZero1312]

Zurg being an Alien Emperor or an AI is still a possibility. Old Buzz just found the alien ship when he arrived in the future, he didn't create it. There is still a decent chance we'll see the real Zurg in a sequel.

[@cocharles563]

Why not have Zurg just be an alien that came to that planet because his tech picked up their crystal power. He wants it for

[@TheZero1312]

@Bluespirit It's still possible. The old Buzz found the ship, the suit and the Zyclops bots, he didn't create them. A sequel could show us the real Emperor looking after his stolen tech.

[@darkskull9166]

@@TheZero1312 Yes. The one time a sequal can actually save this movie

[@hollowknightfan5938]

I also want it for

[@KidArkx]

They felt it was unsatisfying because the story was coherent and reveal actually went along with the story. They instead thought it was more fulfilling for it to be random and subvert expectations? Why can't people understand that's not how it works. Even when you subvert the expectations it should still have been shown at some point in the story which allows the viewers who pay attention to actually get it?

[@FlicksAndTheCity]

That's a good point!

[@KidArkx]

@@FlicksAndTheCity Thanks, I appreciate your content! Wish you the best with your channel.

[@fortimusprime]

Exactly. In here there was no need to make an "unexpected twist" as it was already predictable BUT it would've been coherent to the established story. If they would just follow the original story and make Zurg Buzz's father people would've been happy even if it was predictable.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

@Fortimus Prime I know the internet and trust me, you’d still be complaining. That’s all you know how to do.

[@WolforNuva]

Yeah this thinking is a huge problem. If you think the movie you're making won't be satisfying if you know the twist then that's a problem with the whole movie, not just what twist you're using - it's pretty much admitting the movie isn't any good and you need the twist to appear to be a smarter movie than it actually is.

[@j.peters123]

So it wouldn’t make sense for the green aliens to be in the film, but Zurg looking completely different from the toy version makes perfect sense? Can’t flaw that logic.

[@johngonzalez2495]

Not to mention, is there even a galactic alliance??

[@Ariaelyne]

In terms of toy development that is actually pretty normal.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

Take one look at the giant stream of Infinity War merch depicting Hulk emerging from the Hulkbuster and try to read your comment with a straight face.

[@cosmicgrub360]

@@Joseph_Drew_III that was a deleted scene, originally hulk was going to become professor hulk after talking to hulk and becoming one that way

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

@@cosmicgrub360 So? Maybe the cape and devil horns were an in-universe scrapped concept.

[@TheJManOrRiot]

So basically it could have been better

[@FlicksAndTheCity]

I think some of these might have made it better. I'm not sure about keeping Zurg as Buzz's father as I do think that might have been too obvious. I do feel the movie lacked something overall and wasn't one of Pixar's better ones.

[@TheJManOrRiot]

@@FlicksAndTheCity let me put it to you this way,the new beavis and butthead movie has a better rotten tomatoes and IMDb score than lightyear

[@FlicksAndTheCity]

Oh no! 😂

[@TheJManOrRiot]

@@FlicksAndTheCity yep

[@heresdan]

​@@FlicksAndTheCity Of course Zurg being Buzz's father is obvious. If you're gonna make a film that claims to be in the same universe as Toy Story that directly inspired the Buzz Lightyear and Zurg figures, In that case, it should follow the rules of what's already been established and not gaslight the audience into second-guessing themselves. There was still plenty of mystery to explain Zurg as Buzz's father, his motives, and how he ended up in that position but now we're left with more questions like "why did Buzz think Zurg killed his father in the first place?", and "why would Zurg tell buzz he was his father?" even as a trick wouldn't have made sense since he already had the upper hand and these toys believe they're the actual characters. If they just wanted to make a movie based on the toys then they could have done that without placing it in the Toy Story universe but by saying it's the film Andy watched as a kid now they've created expectations that the film won't live up to and hope fans will just accept it, unfortunately, I'm one of those lunatic who reads too much into this. 😂😂😂

[@Arno2803]

They just missed the most important point, one that could have made fan skyrocket… The buzz theme, when Buzz arrived on planet Zurg in Toy Story 2. If they had put it when Buzz used the wings, that would have been beyond perfect and extremely satisfying.

[@rolay7730]

I can't believe they said it would be unsatisfying for Zurg to be Buzz’s father. I mean, sure, if you don't do anything with the idea and leave it as basic as possible. Just change a few things around, and don't pretend like that is a real twist. Hell, what if buzz was still split in time and one version went into the past. He could have saved his own father from a tragedy, and then his father would turn evil from something in the split. So the Buzz that was split from them would wake up in a world where his father is alive and evil because of him.

[@WolfPrideProductions]

I actually prefer alternate Buzz as Zerg. I know a lot of the dislike is that "he wasn't evil enough cause he was nice," and I don't think it's about him being "evil." In the movie before Buzz takes time to be on the planet and to see the lives on the planet, he has a fixed perception that everyone is miserable, his best friend is no longer a space ranger hero, they're stuck with nowhere to go, and it's his fault. He was so focused on his mistakes that he didn't see the truth at first, everyone wasn't miserable anymore, his best friend may not have been a space hero but she was a hero mom and grandma who found love BECAUSE he made a mistake, they were no longer stuck and miserable but made the best of their situation and were pretty content and happy, and it was his mistake that made something good in the end. I think its actually a really wonderful and clever representation of the two paths we can choose take. If we just focus on our mistakes, our shortcomings, and put too much on ourselves that's when we become "evil Buzz." We miss all of the good that can come from a mistake, the things learned, and we can miss learning how to make the best of a situation and learning to live and move forward rather than stay stagnant and tunnel visioned. We don't see "evil" in our Buzz because he took the time to look around him, and had friends to point out the good things (the lesson of not carrying everything alone). Alternate Buzz didn't have that, he remained so focused on how he messed up that he convinced himself everyone was miserable because of his mistake, and over time that is what made him "evil" (we just don't see that transformation). When you focus solely on the negatives you become a negative, when you choose to see the positives no matter how small they may be at first you become a positive. Our Buzz took the positive path, accepting his failure but seeing the good that did manage to come from that. Alternate Buzz took the negative path, he refused to see any positives because he had so fully convinced himself that the situation was so bad nothing good could ever come from it. We see at moments where Buzz could have fallen victim to the same desires as Alternate Buzz (losing the gem, broken ship), but luckily our Buzz had made some friends who helped him see the positives (meat sandwich scene is funnily enough a good example for this). The split in the time line is the choice we make as people. We can choose to dwell on all we have failed upon, or we can choose to look for the good that can come from the situation. We can choose to be Zurg or we can choose to be Buzz.

[@Azerty72200]

Buzz started out as a sympathetic but flawed character, and out Buzz had a hard pass before he was redeemed, avoiding his shortcomings before a *too* costly mistake was made. Evil Buzz wasn't redeemed, he was the fulfilled failure potential our Buzz had, and we can see it in the movie. We like our Buzz in part because for all his faults, he took time to make an effort and change. But if he didn't, I can totally see him as the antagonist. Evil Buzz' story is just as valid as good Buzz.

[@ladymarple1986]

I'm gonna save that as a screenshot. I really liked the movie but every single person I know hated it. I just couldn't come up with an answer why I liked it so much. You response was on point. And it looks like a good advice to me personally... Thank you! Sending you bunch of Sox 😺😺😺😺

[@BabyGirlTiny]

None of this Matches up to the toy characters at all. Also, this way isn’t clever. At all. It’s been done to death

[@Wild_Dice]

I think future buzz as the villain was a fun idea for storytelling. I like that it follows the saying "The path to destruction is paved with good intentions". A black mirror to buzz in an interesting way.

[@FlicksAndTheCity]

What do you think about Lightyear's Zurg Twist? Would you prefer if he HAD been Buzz's father? 🤔

[@rufarojunior]

Lightyear is such a good movie and the deleted scenes could have been a part of the credits

[@pdzombie1906]

I think by trying to make something more original, they ended up ripping off the The Lego Movie 2... I think anyhting else would have been better...

[@olleselin]

Nope

[@LizardDoesStuff]

Yeah

[@netherfreakultima4498]

@@pdzombie1906 I don't think they ripped off the movie that much...

[@Looong_Dog]

Honestly, Zurg revealing to be a Buzz from the future is much less satisfying than Zurg being Buzz's father. Yeah, it would be "obvious" but overcomplicating a villian adds unecessary levels of confusion that always lessens the value and "threat" of the villian. Easy and simple villians usually leave a bigger impact than a villian with a purposely made complicated past. Just let Zurg be; Zurg! Just let him BE evil cause thats how he always was, such as Hercale in Luca; he was always mean cause thats the way he always was, they didn't had to dedicated an entire backstory to explain why he acts like this. Zurg being Future Buzz deminishes the character that has been built up in Toy Story 2 and Star Command. Sometimes an obvious villian; is the best villian (And plus it would be funnier if it was his dad, the movie was already comedy based so it fit right in with the rest)

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

To be honest I think Zurg being Buzz's father would've made more sense then Zurg being Buzz from an alternate time line. Not only because it would've been a call back to Toy Story 2 but it would've made sense on why Buzz wanted to become a space ranger like wanting to follow in his dad's footsteps. And the reason why he was taken maybe due to being stranded for years or some A.I. taking him for their own reasons.

[@fortimusprime]

I would've preferred Zurg to be Buzz's father. There was no reason to change the narrative of an already established story. People would've been very satisfied even if it wasn't surprising as it was already established. It would've been fan service and a respect to the people who watched the first Pixar film franchise. Very few people would've complained about it. If they wanted to make something new, they should've not used Buzz as the main character as Buzz already has an established storyline. If they would've just used the story given by Buzz on Toy Story, even if it felt something like Star Wars, it would've been good. Even more so by the fact that Disney now owns both Star Wars and Toy Story.

[@WolforNuva]

To drive the point home, I watched Star Wars 4-6 after knowing every twist those movies had, and it was still a good time; there are plenty of movies I've watched multiple times and they didn't get any worse from knowing what was in them.

[@fortimusprime]

@@WolforNuva Yes

[@fortimusprime]

@Shadowyarts interesting development…

[@swagman8011]

I would have preferred of the new major being Zurg because you felt evil vibes from him and it could have made the Zurg twist a little better instead of its being Buzz from the future. Also this is me but I would have preferred if Tim Allen voiced the older Buzz because it would be like fans new and old are with 2 new Buzzes, Allen and Evans

[@jacksonwebster9155]

The Allen and Evans idea is so good but I didn’t like the idea of Tim Allen voicing younger buzz personally

[@darkfire1408]

"So, Buzz turns out to basically be his own worst enemy." Much like MacLane.

[@QDude24]

"Lets fuck up our established continuity because this more confusing story is so much better"

[@chrisrj9871]

Pixar: "we should've never made that Star Wars joke..."

[@eliciadehoyos9249]

Really speechless 😶 would have preferred if he had been buzz father though

[@WakoDoodle]

You know, in the early 2000's tv series Zerg had incredibly subtle hints to being related too. His weird obsession with killing buzz and stealing his partner could just be seen as a bad guy thing, but when he created an evil clone (zzub) which failed, he treated the child like he was his dad briefly. When he met an alternative version of buzz from another dimensions (inverted one where good is evil and evil is good) he started getting impressed by him and even wanted to treat him as family. It wasn't obvious but the very subtle hints were there without flat out saying it. Also if anyone wanted to know what the alternative dimension Zerg was like. He was a good guy who worked at a diner as a waiter. Nice guy, even forgive bullies because he's so nice; weird huh? Nothing like the bad guy in the show.

[@jcmahrt5100]

Given that Buzz was extremely determined to return to Earth to the point of actual stubborness with no compromises being considered or even acknowledged, yeah in all honesty, the Zurg twist makes sense.

[@aaronluisdelacruz4212]

Wouldn't it be more better if Buzz's father is the one who created the Zurg robot AI that gone haywire and thinks he's Buzz's as well as taking the crystal to go back in the past as it learned the ship can theoretically go back in the past and keep Buzz from making his mistake and Buzz didn't want that as he will not meet Sox and Izzy.

[@mistermann4163]

When I first saw the trailers I was expecting Zurg to be apart of a failed colony expedition in which he was the sole survivor for which he made himself into a robot(or just a robot body) with the angered objective to go home no matter the cost from being out in space for so long and that Buzz was the key to going home. The second idea was the failed colony thing but in finding the little green men technology in which Zurg wanted to find more without interference from others.

[@gregr3720]

apart means separate. a part means part of something bigger.

[@OverlordZeroULTIMA]

In my view (and I will *never* stop saying it!): Zurg does NOT = Old Buzz! Everything involving him showcased him as a robot, and that's how I saw him as well. The father thing, while I didn't know it as a kid - despite being a former Vader fan, was a spinoff. Even the Star Command scene was clearly a joke (and I never saw that particular scene before). The one in TS2 put in more thought though, with Buzz and Zurg playing catch. The deleted robots...I would've killed for them! Obviously I have a robot/mech bias (I am a droid), but those designs would've been fun to see, whether they were neutral or on either the Space Ranger or Zurg's side. The mecha hound would be cool, but the scene could easily become too dark for younger viewers, but idk. I am pretty sure live action Lion King literally showed Scar eating something and had actual blood on his mouth. Yet, it was still PG (although nothing else really made it necessary to boost ratings anyway, plus I may had just been seeing things; my vision isn't good). Also, the scene of the Zyclops just chilling would've been adorable. I can see them just hanging out, all calm...Then Zurg calls and *Kill Mode Activate*. I also like the thought of the green aliens worshipping The Claw and meeting Zurg...Before possibly being crushed by his far superior Claw. :P Idk, that thought just amuses me - it doesn't have to be in the movie. I admit to being most peeved about Zurg's being another case of "creature in a suit" in this, though. All of my favorite robotic villains end this way. Vader? Former deranged human under a mask. Skulker (Danny Phantom)? Tiny ghost slime thing in awesome suit. It seems like only Star Wars Droids are the only ones who get to be pure robots, and of course, they're the more "disposable" villains/characters. Excluding General Grievous, who is a cyborg. Which that will be accepted since cyborgs don't mean full on robots. TLDR, they did my fave Disney villain wrong. Zurg will forever be an awesome robot in my view and no one will say otherwise.

[@gregr3720]

Vader wasn't a robotic villain.

[@HEROX05]

Zurg might actually have some form of organic in him in the cartoon show.

[@deewolf1903]

Zurg being an older Buzz made sense for the story being told and it had the most narrative value. Making him Buzz' father, as stated by the team, would have felt too obvious. Especially since the whole "Im your father" was just a Star Wars riff in the first place, not meant to be taken seriously. Buzz started the movie as a person who cared more about the mission than the people. In order for him to grow, he had to confront himself. This version of Zurg was an older Buzz who's only focused on the mission and is not concerned with how he does it because he's convinced that his actions won't matter since everything will be undone once he succeeds. Our Buzz becomes a man who realizes that you can't move forward if you're stuck trying to fix every mistake you made in the past. Sometimes you just have to learn from the mistake and move on.

[@hope_adl9846]

Yesssss

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Zurg being older buzz did not make any sense to the narrative and we know it didn’t because the point of the twist wasn’t because it made sense, it was to subvert expectation.

[@deewolf1903]

@@BabyGirlTiny By all means, explain to the class why, narratively, it did not make sense...

[@HalloWitch93]

Why even have there be a twist behind Zurg's identity in the first place? Why not just let him be this enigmatic alien that forms an intense rivalry with Buzz naturally, throughout the story? Having him turn out to be an alternate version of Buzz himself completely erases Zurg as a character because it isn't really him. I've also never particularly liked his design in the film; maybe it's just me but the whole 'giant scary robot' thing has zero personality.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

It is, in fact, just you (and your two alts).

[@jacksonwebster9155]

Light year deserves a sequel so badly. It would help clear up plot holes and could have so many more references to the toy story franchise that people would enjoy the movie more. And I don’t think Zurg not being buzz’s father is a problem what so ever. It was just a joke to Star Wars in the toy story movies and since toy buzz thought he was actually a space ranger he wouldn’t know that there was even a movie so Zurg could just be lying. Light year is so good and so underrated people just look at the bad stuff which every good movie is bound to have

[@RosesArePink210]

This right here! They left things unexplained on purpose I think at least I can see the potential of the sequel very much it's a shame people also don't get majority of buzz was a joke in movies too. It was better off also attempting to be original too

[@BabyGirlTiny]

No it doesn’t. They already had red we ended to Roy story in lightyear and it didn’t work. Making a second movie t clear up anything or make any sense considering there’s no need for one. Either Andy got a toy that spoiled the entire franchise, or they messed up

[@Barricade379]

I did like the twist of Zurg being Buzz' darker side. Your worst enemy is yourself. Elder Buzz shows no concern for Izzy. He said when taking the crystal "I'm gonna matter again" That sounds like he's doing it for himself and only himself. Showing no remorse for the paradox that would come and no restraint on squashing his Sox or trying to kill his alternate younger self. This Buzz/Zurg had become murderous I am only stating my opinion, nothing more

[@Crow_Smith]

Considering the ZURG suit already existed, this actually still sets up a possibility in which ZURG exists outside of Buzz and future Buzz. Like we know by the way he has to do things, that ZURG could still want revenge for his ship and tech being stolen. Which could also explain why the bots don't call him "Buzz" and "cannot pronounce" it. Because they're just saying "Zurg" or "leader".

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Why were they so easy to be stolen in the first place

[@TLBlack_moth]

I unexpectedly loved this movie and Sox is a big factor in that 😂

[@kristineweber8084]

I think everyone wanted to see the damaged Sox survive - it broke our hearts that Evil Buzz destroyed him.

[@viczilla24dreamer51]

5:33 this part is actually hilarious

[@thewebsurfer2919]

I LOVED how they didn’t make Zurg Buzz’s father but still hinted at it in the movie. 😁

[@skyloren2187]

I wonder who the Zurg suit and the ship actually belongs to. In the movie we only learn that Buzz found an alien spaceship with the suit and the robots call him Zurg. Maybe they don't dispronounce Buzz but actually think he is their Boss, the actual Zurg

[@cobeoe]

Honestly I wanted them to explore the planet more a bit of mass effect-ness Buzz basically every 4 years or every day goes on mission it was on mission to try and get them home but maybe for about a month he explores the planet to Maybe get some grounding done for him He encounters whatever enemies that are harmful to the current star command base and defeats them Like after another 4 years space pirates come into attack them Introducing aliens if but a small amount And he defeats them but some of the tech that could have been used to help is destroyed sadly but they offer the pirates leniency in the home under Star Command

[@Furrfino]

The beginning is incorrect, the first Buzz didn't go into a "different" timeline. The first Buzz, which we'll call Old Buzz, escaped ZAP patrol and traveled into the future where time travel was a thing. So Old Buzz traveled back in time to interrupt ZAP patrol from putting his younger self in custody. It's the same timeline, just with a young and an old buzz.

[@irosupurasshu5318]

I feel like people are treating this movie too harshly, to the point where everyone is just jumping on a "hate this movie, just to hate this movie" bandwagon. The concept of Zerg being Buzz from a different timeline isn't a bad concept. Sure, they could've made it his dad, but it's not a big deal.

[@netherfreakultima4498]

The reason for not having Zurg being Buzz's father is fairly understandable imo

[@maximusthewolfreborn2118]

But I think that part is in with Buzz and Zurg being related just not the way you think This Lightyear movie is considered a mini-movie in Toy Story. Which means in this reality, this mini-movie has actors and actresses in the Toy Story universe that are not based on the ones that we have in the cast. When the lines are said… Buzz: Dad? Zurg: guess again. In words it’s like a reference for the 2 that are father and son as actors in the Toy Story universe.

[@gregr3720]

What?

[@maximusthewolfreborn2118]

@@gregr3720 this is considered a movie within the universe of Toy story because Zurg and Lightyear looks so alike It’s possible that they’re fictional actor characters in the Lightyear Movie that are father and son.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

Finally, someone who doesn’t just whine about a throwaway joke.

[@mray4784]

@@Joseph_Drew_III You're the one whining in every comment section.

[@tridentsilver766]

Even then the Zurg we see isn’t the real Zurg, because someone had to have created the Armor and the zyclops. The only person who would have is the real Evil Emperor Zurg.

[@Cappytain101]

If they make a sequel I would absolutely love it if the real zurg came back and killed the future buzz establishing how much of a threat he actually is, being just as evil as his animated version.

[@tridentsilver766]

@@Cappytain101 I hope they do and they bring the real Zurg back.

[@aidanacebo9529]

I loved the aesthetic of this movie. absolutely nailed it.

[@-pastellovessans6703]

I thought the plot twist with Zurg’s identity would’ve been the newbie that was on the mission with Buzz and Alisha in the beginning, since he was introduced at the beginning for basically no reason other then to give show Buzz before his character growth, I don’t know why I thought that it just seemed like a very Pixar plot twist to happen.

[@simonclaypool8526]

Yes! And he had a resentment for star command that spread to his kids and grandkids for wanting to take down the command and buzz with it

[@LordDoom10]

Just cause people knew the twist, doesn't mean you should throw it out.

[@judebaun9993]

So true.

[@Mortal-Knite]

The Zurg Design was very clever in my opinion. And if you look closely within Buzz's angle of looking at Zurg. Zurg's shoulder plates and collar resemble his Cape silhouette from Toy Story 2's toy Design

[@TheStevedie]

Sox was hilarious. I want to see more of Sox lol. I liked Lightyear overall. I think Chris Evans did great as Buzz.

[@markrunkle9281]

Agreed

[@Lalaloopsies_United]

I think Lightyear might get a sequel so it’s possible

[@goldengreenranger2160]

I thought Zurg was going to end up being the Rookie from the start of the movie.

[@SnooziacTM]

Dude I never thought of that! That would've been a waaaaaay better twist!

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

@Snooziac Really? A throwaway character? That’s where your standards are?

[@SnooziacTM]

@@Joseph_Drew_III You're a troll. Get a life.

[@judebaun9993]

@@SnooziacTM though I agree that Zurg being Fetheringhamstan (the rookie at beginning of the movie) would have a better twist than him being Buzz from the future I would still wish he was Buzz’s father.

[@judebaun9993]

@@Joseph_Drew_III Fetheringhamstan isn’t a throw away character.

[@kentslocum]

Predictability and simplicity in storytelling is okay, as long as it is told well. Pixar forgot that they need people to re-watch their films. Once everyone knows the twist ending, what will keep them coming back? Lightyear doesn't have enough solid storytelling to last past the first viewing. I wish they had stuck with a simpler explanation for Zurg and focused on character development.

[@ouchthehedge]

"So in the end, MacLane decided it would be more interesting if the twist was that Zurg was a version of Buzz himself" [Everyone disliked that.]

[@judebaun9993]

Exactly.

[@unionpacific3863]

So, Lightyear is The Last Jedi of Pixar

[@Cappytain101]

I think light year is still enjoyable if you just see it as a completely new thing unrelated to the toy store universe, the last Jedi is a complete fucking travesty that should’ve never been made.

[@Netherwolf6100]

Talk about bad judgement on the Director's part. He wanted a "Shock" twist. Not a "Satisfying" twist. Zurg being Buzz's father would have been perfect and yes, people would have seen it coming but at least it would have made sense. It just being an evil, older Buzz comes outta left field and doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

[@iRazenrak]

The thing about people knowing that Zurg is Buzz's father is that it can still work to your advantage. Imagine if Buzz is systematically dismantling Zurg's forces using his team of rookies, and there are subtle hints that Zurg is trying to reach out to Buzz to talk to him. But instead, Buzz completely defeats him and cripples him. Then it's revealed that Buzz's father froze himself to find his son in the future. He became "evil" because he discovered time travel and figured he could return his son to the past to reunite their family and no one in the present matters, thus Buzz's father not caring if he kills innocents. And the thing is, Zurg doesn't have to be randomly evil. There could be hints, he could be the stereotypical father who's controlling and forced his son into sports and stuff. Thing is, Buzz actually excelled. Zurg is one of the few bad fathers who actually got what he wanted. Which means as soon as Buzz disobeys him, IE. standing up to him and not letting him kill his new friends, Zurg goes off on him. As previously mentioned, Buzz defeats Zurg before he discovers he's his father. Once he does discover it, we see a heartbreaking scene where Buzz regrets having mercilessly destroyed Zurg's forces and previously ignored Zurg's messages of wanting to meet him (believing it to be a trap). Then Zurg leans more into the evil as he tries to force Buzz to join him in returning to the past together.

[@DemocracyOfficerWood]

I like the zurg suit design, very techy and intimidating.

[@606films9]

I wish Zurg was his father in Lightyear, but I completely understand why they Changed it so I’m not that upset

[@Luis519RS]

So yet again, "they decided to defy expectations" is the bane of this generation of movies...

[@ryanlotton6236]

Zergs ship gun sight was the shape of the little aliens

[@mattdylla3225]

I feel like I'm the only one who actually liked the twist. Zurg became the perfect representation of the mission man Buzz was so hellbent on becoming, and created a great reckoning of character for him.

[@pdzombie1906]

I can't say what they left in was all that great!! Thanx anyways, Jan!!!

[@FlicksAndTheCity]

Yeah, it was disappointing for sure.

[@GodOfMoonlight]

“You live long enough as the hero, you end up becoming the villain.”

[@brianbuxton9534]

I need to go back and watch the movie, because I don't recall at any point in the movie Buzz Lightyear even said, "Buzz Lightyear to the rescue!"

[@bookladydavina]

there are many signs that this was NOT the movie Andy would have seen in 1995...

[@judebaun9993]

@@bookladydavina A hell of a lot of signs.

[@ZacCarpenter]

I was hoping they'd put in a scene where something turns off Buzz's helmet and he starts gasping for air even though the atmosphere is safe to breathe. It's one of my favourite Buzz moments from the Toy Story movies and it would've been nice to see it referenced in Lightyear.

[@judebaun9993]

Yeah. I wish they put that in the movie too.

[@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112]

Despite Zurg being future Buzz instead of Buzz’s father…I still think this film is actually really great!

[@RosesArePink210]

By making buzz the enemy it told us his obsession with the mission would lead him to a selfish path. We forget he wasn't trying to harm anyone at the beginning he wanted buzz expecting him to accept his idea what he thought was right for himself at this point not everyone. A hero with flaws isn't wrong to pull as a matter of fact it showed how he grew into that space hero we got in the toy. I understand why this choice was made why wanted to develop buzz way. While this concept would have been amazing to explore it also felt like it would have been just as messy to me. I understood the story we got and don't mind it.

[@unclefranklin4575]

The thumbnail with Sox as Zurg would've been perfect. Future Sox could've lost Buzz and rebuilt himself into Zurg to honor his last wish and make this version of Buzz a space ranger again.

[@optimascrime5235]

I really wished that Zurg was his dad,the rookie or even just keep him as the robot

[@cobeoe]

You say Blade Runner for the killer robot hound but I was thinking more terminator especially when you said sent to kill buzz in the future

[@comicfan1324]

Although I don’t mind that they made Zurg future Buzz, I think it would’ve been better if they had him be his father. Even if you make the argument everyone would see it coming, there’s a simple solution to the issue: Don’t make it a twist villain. First, have the father established earlier in the film. A flashback scene to Buzz’s days at the Academy would be a clever way of introducing. Second, later on in the film introduce Zurg. In the scene make him an intimidating mystery figure as he is betrayed during the first half of the film. Third, The third time we see him his identity is revealed when he tries to get Buzz to join him. The scene clip of pay homage to Star Wars and Toy Story 2. Maybe up to this point, several civilians were killed during Zurg’s takeover and Buzz had came to the conclusion that his father was one of those casualties. However he was wrong. This reveal would be somewhere in the first third of the film so that Zurg would have the remainder of the film to be the big bad. Sure there is a small twist but it’s a very brief one that still allows him to have his time in the spotlight.

[@marlonrvlogs]

I love the lightyear movie it's awesome 😀

[@Dragon66898]

The Zurg Bots in the break room would have been great.

[@SJ-ij2wq]

Disney: There’s something you must know Buzz… I am your father. Audience: what Disney: Psych! major look you dimwit!

[@orange_turtle3412]

This movie absolutely demands a sequel (though im sure we wont get one any time soon.) The original leaves so much of buzz’s established story out. Wheres the aliens? The galactic alliance? The interplanetary travel? So much still to explore. Lightyear barely scratched the surface. A “the claw” reference would have been funny too.

[@SecondBestArtMuseum]

Zurg could have been ANYONE under that mask and it'd be better than the twist being an evil Buzz.

[@roguespartan2854]

5:47... ahh, a Wolfenstein reference. Neat.

[@17jacoyne]

Pixar really should have stuck with their original plan for the zurg twist it would have made the film much MUCH better

[@judebaun9993]

I agree. It drives me up a fucking wall that they cared more about surprising people than keeping true to the lore that was already established.I do understand that Zurg being Buzz’s father was just a throw away joke but but if this is supposed to be a parody of Star Wars then they should’ve stuck with that. Also it’s okay to have predictable twist in movies especially considering the fact that Lightyear is a kids movie.

[@vilelilman4252]

Something I heard as a writer, is if the audience knows what's going to happen next, or the "twist". Then you can still present that event in an unexpected way.

[@animo358]

Wait....I do like the idea of Buzzs obsession over the mission taking him to the dark side...But I think everyone was expecting it to be his Dad. Why would you bother making a twist when the whole idea of this is that its what made Andy want the toy? That doesn't really make any sense. You could have gotten the same emotional Arc for Buzz and his Father about the Mission by making Buzz one of the Firstborne on the new planet and his Dad just kept instilling the idea of Greatness and being the one to perform all the test flights Buzz did.

[@LordDoom10]

Man, they cut a lot that would have greatly improved the film.

[@judebaun9993]

Sad but true.

[@bluetrainer3549]

0:29 I don't think the hyperspace broke the timeline rather when the bus from the original timeline got back and was going to be reprimanded like he said and travel so far into the future, he was then able to travel back with the technology he found and traveled a week before himself got back from the last hyper space test therefore erasing what originally happening to him

[@bioman1hazard607]

No wonder this movie flopped, all the good decisions were dropped

[@judebaun9993]

That’s what thinking after watching this video pretty much all the decisions that were dropped were sadly good decisions.

[@Megatron_95]

I already called it that Zurg was going to be an evil Buzz Lightyear when the film was in development. So, I call this "fuck you. I was right."

[@satellachannel6423]

Where you right without a clue or did you saw the animated series?

[@Megatron_95]

@@satellachannel6423 without a clue. Because Zurg's father was a joke in the animated series. Pixar wouldn't pull a Darth Vader moment

[@dan_hitchman007]

MacLane screwed up this take on Buzz Lightyear. "Lightyear" wasn't a campy, sci-fi action/disaster film that would spawn silly Buzz Lightyear and Emperor Zurg toys as you see in the "Toy Story" universe and spark Andy's love of the character. Zurg should have stayed Buzz's father as the reveal was SUPPOSED to be a ripoff on Star Wars. That was the joke in TS2. MacLane didn't understand "Toy Story" lore and should not have been picked as the director here. Plus, why would Andy's Buzz toy have a different voice than from the movie he supposedly saw, again, IN THE 90's?!!

[@antiloser-NFS]

The toy could easily have a different voice. It has happened in real life where a different person records the lines used in the toy. I do agree that this movies is not the movie Andy saw as a kid.

[@gamingwithlucifer8656]

When Zurg is fighting Buzz in space (after the ship exploded) you can see Zurg with his cape (it’s attached of his jet pack)

[@JaketheJust]

It would have been better to have the Rookie from the beginning becoming Zurg. He becomes obsessed of becoming better than Lightyear, whom he blames for crashing the ship and the Space Rangers are obsolete. So he builds robots but Burnside thinks he is crazy. He’s banished from Star Command after he attempt a coup, discovers aliens (the little green men) and forces them to use their technology to concur Star Command. When Zurg opens he’s robot suit, Buzz would recognize him from the baby eyes

[@AnimeOtakuDrew]

I'm glad they changed the twist; the reveal that Zurh is an older Buzz who went full dark no stars was surprising and effective. I also like Sox as a cat rather than a monkey (though I think it would have been better as a dog, being a nod to the dog the Soviet Union sent up to become the first animal in space). Other than those two things, I actually wish the rest had been left in. It sounds like a lot of really fun and interesting subplots were left on the cutting room floor.

[@t-7777]

they should have kept the father type of plot twist because for disney its not just the twist that makes it better its the emotion and seeing a father and son fight each other feels very much emotional

[@syweb2]

0:35 Didn't the timeline split occur because Zurg-Buzz arrived at the same point our Buzz would have, was chased away, and then time-traveled to a week before _that_ with the giant ship, causing our Buzz to arrive to a change caused by Zurg?

[@Professor-TripleExtraLarge]

Ya'll baited me with that thumbnail. I actually thought for a moment the previous twist was that Sock was Zurg or something lol

[@darkshibe2044]

5:30 This scene is similar to when Auto sends the police-type robots after various characters in Wall-E

[@t-bot9368]

Fun fact: Pixar didn't completely scrap zurgs cape in lightyear. When buzz and zurg are fighting in space, zurgs wingspan on his back looks oddly familiar to the cape that he wears.

[@roadbreach]

I think it would’ve been better had Zurg had just been a result of Buzz missing in action, like having Zurg show up because Star Command couldn't deploy it's Space Rangers to try and stop him. The future Buzz twist feels contrived, if they had put some more thought into Lightyear, I would've been a happy camper.

[@walkingcubkid]

Okay, zurg is not buzz’s father. Because right after that fight with buzz and Zurg, buzz looks like he went crazy, and so did zurg. So I’m pretty sure they went a bit crazy during their fight. And the buzz from the future twist wasn’t really good either.

[@royalmoth1261]

We wanted to keep it close to what Andy would of watched. But than change everything.

[@gregr3720]

would have or would've.

[@royalmoth1261]

@@gregr3720 thanks mom!

[@gregr3720]

@@royalmoth1261 I would be your English teacher, not your mom. You'll probably continue to write "would of" even though you have been informed, but you're welcome.

[@judebaun9993]

That’s what’s so ironic about this movie.

[@Tonso_fun2023main]

Also "Lego Movie 2" did that same story plot, Emmet changed his name and additude and became a whole different person from his friendly loveable self and became Rex in an alternate future that Emmet later had to stop his alternate future self and make him unexistant so HE would for surely NEVER take the path his alternate future self did...too.

[@Gen_ShadowCompany_203]

If Zurg was Buzz's dad, I felt like this could've given a different message to give the audience inspiration. Zurg could've been a Space Ranger as well but took a dark turn for greed and pleasure in addition to the frustration of unsuccessful accomplishments. Star Command would feed him with beliefs he then got tired of and decided to turn on them for constantly giving him hopeless.... well... hope. He'd find the Star Command delusional and brake away his relation to it. Zurg knew that he wasn't able to make it on his own so he built the Zurg suit as well as the Hornets with new technology he's discovered in an abandoned alien ship. The Zurg suit served to hide his identity from Star Command as he wanted to overthrow them and have everyone believe in what he believes is right. He attacks Star Command and declares war; causing chaos and killing those who believed in the "false truth" and weren't able to be convinced with Zurg's will. Buzz's mother receives that her husband was M.I.A. as soon as he quit the job, making her and Buzz believe that he died. As soon as Buzz joined Star Command, he would've witnessed the bloodshed from Zurg's wrath and assumed that he killed his father and wanted vengeance for his father's death. As soon as he gets confronted by Buzz, Zurg reveals that he is his dad. Leaving Buzz in a loop of both surprise, shock, and heartbreak. Zurg explains that Star Command was never a way to help themselves in any situation and wanted Buzz to join him in his own army instead. Buzz declines and Zurg feels no choice but to disgust him as a disgrace and instantly try to kill him. All this story could've done with this kind of idea is show that everyone has a choice in who they want to be, rather it's good or bad. It also could've taught those who go through abuse from their parents to stand up for themselves and also teach parents themselves how to give opportunities to their children.

[@empressofcreativity]

I love this idea

[@Gen_ShadowCompany_203]

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