Why Did Buzz Become Zurg? | Lightyear Explained

[@threebeanmaraca]

i'd like to think that the only reason why zurg never fully thought things through or went through different, likely less complicated plans that you detailed, is that he was single minded. he was so focused on the end goal he didn't think about the potential consequences of what he was doing. besides, in the end, it just sounds like he was doing it more for himself than for his friend, considering the fact that she was already happy where she was with her own life and family.

[@jesussalazar1901]

Most villains (I mean 99% of them) believe their actions are justified by the end goals without realizing it was never going to workout at the end, or in long term. Also Zurg/Old Buzz clearly is a case of villain driven by madness, which from a narrative perspective Buzz realize by only focus on the end of mission and not the journey was driving him to become a villain in the eyes of a lot people. Which agin similar to the Toy Buzz was in Tunnel vision to the fact he couldn’t accept he was a Toy just like the Buzz in Lightyear couldn’t accept the failure of the mission created new lives.

[@Scardy]

Yeah, his actions didn’t make tactical sense, but they made character sense. Buzz was shown over and over to be single-minded and driven to the point where he made silly mistakes and overlooked important details (like telling the rookies about the timer on the stealth mode) so it makes sense that old Buzz (Zurg) would have the same flaw.

[@blurrthelegend1420]

Agreed. And when you look at the way Zurg behaved throughout the movie, that makes total sense.

[@darthestar8791]

Yeah. But I’m surprised mother of them considered the possibility of just…helping their friends meet the love of her life in the new timeline. But that may have not gone as planned if they had tried. Who knows?

[@kingkitty026]

So villans just have/gain severe adhd

[@traviscummings9178]

I mean, they do say you are your own worst enemy, so I guess it makes sense, but after looking at it again, I agree that they could've done a better job with Zurg

[@kieranstark7213]

Facts

[@sarahchu6091]

Exactly

[@danielhayden6214]

Well…I couldn’t have said that any better myself The first part you said ^^

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

No it doesn’t

[@danielhayden6214]

@Riley Garraway agreed ^^

[@kalanilugosi393]

I think that the whole basis of there being a “true” Zurg is around the fact that Old Buzz “borrowed” the suit and that it was all alien technology. Also I think that maybe the reason the robots can only say Zurg is that maybe the Alien civilization that created them may have communicated in a different way than speaking or that they just weren’t really made to have conversation as they are seemingly only made to attack things.

[@FindingMyself90]

maybe they have a whole "i am groot' language level. so advanced we can't perceive it. Like how computers only communicate with '0' and '1's but they have such complex combos

[@matthewreynoso6904]

That’s a good theory! I’m all for it!

[@VoxNerdula]

It was explained in the movie that Buzz had shat himself and the poop did major damage to his suit and body, thus having to become zurg to survive. Quite simple!

[@matthewreynoso6904]

@@VoxNerdula I don’t get it!

[@ethanadan2976]

Interesting theory, and it could be plausible, because Old Buzz did say in the movie that he just happened to come upon the technology, while making a few adjustments to simplify operating it with the tech he had with him currently. And just so other people know, I actually enjoyed the movie, including the plot-twist. In all honesty, at this moment I thought of Harvey Dent's quote from the dark knight: "you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Call me an idiot or any other name you can think of, I don't care. I enjoyed the movie, just like i enjoyed the sequel trilogy, and that is my honest opinion.

[@ljdi1]

Here’s how I would’ve done it: His name was Neil Lightyear (named after Neil Armstrong, as Buzz Lightyear is named after Buzz Aldrin) he is a space ranger before his son, Buzz. He rebelled against star command, and build his own army, as he believed that star command should be his. Therefore, Neil was kicked out. Later on, Neil became a Xenobot, an organic robot, after a new experiment with his robots. Neil Lightyear was no more, and he gave himself a new identity: the Evil Emperor Zurg

[@matthewreynoso6904]

That would’ve been beautiful!!

[@seriousnesstv7902]

That’s amazing! Because of the whole I am your father bit in Toy Story 2

[@dr.robotico7879]

@@seriousnesstv7902 that's a likely coincidence.

[@JackAttractive-r7x]

@@matthewreynoso6904 hi dude how are you

[@matthewreynoso6904]

@@JackAttractive-r7x Oh I’m doing fine thank you!

[@cinosthewerehog7333]

I also heard about Buzz taking the mantle of Zurg as he's not the real one. It's basically like the Mandarin twist in Iron man 3 until we meet the real one in the Shang-Chi movie.

[@zombiejoe326]

That would make more sense

[@SpacerangerWilson]

This is what I thought/heard too. That the "real" Zurg is somewhere out there, very angry at (young) Buzz for stealing his ship & suit. If there's a sequel (Which I think there might be, since there's this hint at the very end of the movie), I bet they'll explain and catch up to all this.

[@ionicghost1374]

It kinda was played that way, old buzz even said he borrowed all of it, the bots prolly have a basic fof so they only see the one wearing the zurg suit as 'zurg' so the real zurg prolly didnt think it ever be possible someone would steal his stuff, would be an ingenius story plot

[@vincentdougherty8613]

I like how you're not sugarcoating the movie's problems. Really shows that you have an opinion and not a bias.

[@aaronplassmann6364]

The reveal of Zurg was one of the biggest twists in children’s cinematic history. This was more shocking than Darth Vader’s reveal. A future version of the hero, obsessed with correcting his mistake to the point where the existence of the hero’s friends were at stake. The metaphoric gesture of the plot is much bigger than the plot holes Isaac has mentioned and are nearly un-noticeable.

[@Salaaaad]

If there is ever a sequel. I hope Zurg or the Evil Buzzlightyear becomes more and more of a cyborg, seeing how he was blown up at the end of the movie. Maybe he survived and needed to rely more on technology to survive. Because I would’ve preferred if Zurg was just a robot or a cyborg instead of a human in a mech suit.

[@golden3065]

He does survive since there are some after credit scenes one being a scene of a bug getting zapped by the Lazer shield. And the other of zurgs body?...mech suit? Yeah mech suit floating in space and a flash of his red eyes coming to life.

[@oliverpony]

I prefer the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command Zurg Even though he's more of a simple character He's way more funny and entertaining

[@TheEvanight]

The best Zurg right there

[@opportunityknocks3088]

I been waiting for Disney to put Buzz light year of star command on the platform since it launched.

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Agreed!

[@zachmcmullen2741]

Imagine if Buzzurg was fully aware of his situation, and his story wasn't entirely true. Sox was there, and I can't believe he'd allow Buzz to fall off that much. Obviously Buzz spent about as much time traveling as he did physically aging, and I would hope Sox was able to handle the anger and obsessive disorder like Zurg was portrayed to have, no matter how many sleep darts were required. His mental health would be upkept, and a lifetime with Sox at his side would have value to a person like Buzz. Their goal would change trajectory again, wanting to return to a point where there are people to be with. Perhaps they searched and didn't find any humans for a long time, eventually finding a rare few and learning the colony was destroyed by something. I'd like to see a Lightyear 2: infinity and beyond explore this angle, completing Buzz's journey toward this threat - perhaps a real Zurg arrived in the original run of events, and Old Buzz wants to stop him, but how? He's arriving into the war zone with no information, no one prepared for galactic warfare, just a planet full of people he doesn't know, a leader who is hostile to Buzz personally and likely won't listen that the shield alone isn't enough for alien invasions, he'll need a demonstration and time to build other defenses and personnel trained for this level of action. Suddenly Old Buzz or Sox concludes that the best person available for the job is a younger Buzz who still has access to the people of the colony. They'll play it safe and give the young ones twenty or more years, but Sox wonders if they can travel beyond the first time they perfected the core crystal McGuffin? So they make a plan just in case, to play the bad guys and give Little Buzz some "training on the job" along with any information they had - the name "Zurg" and space combat training and oh, what a happy accident - Baby Buzz collected a rag tag team. Mission failed successfully, Old Buzz commits to the bit, tainting the option of time travel for his younger self and any other person who may try to abuse it like he did when he was younger. At the end, as Zurg drifts in space, he wonders what to do next. Is there anything else they can do? A compartment opens, and the missing parts of Sox look out at him, ever ready to offer an ear to listen. Without many options, they attempt to blend into civilian life, where they're eventually caught, affording them the chance to tell the whole story and hopefully set up a future where the colony survives the arrival of Emperor Zurg.

[@quillmorningstar8713]

That'd be the greatest twist of all time. And lemme guess, Lightyear 3 is fighting Emperor Zurg. Only for Buzz to find out that Emperor Zurg is his father.

[@Scardy]

Sox was pretty dependent on Buzz. He helped Buzz steal the ship because he was about to be decommissioned, so he had no one else. He didn’t fight back against Buzzurg until a new Buzz showed up. He may have not liked what Buzzurg was doing, but without him, Sox had nothing and nowhere to go. It’s… actually super tragic when you think about it.

[@alis3656]

that's why Sox saved good Buzz he was done with his crazy Buzz and decided the younger Buzz was better. I love Sox best character ever

[@emilyjones2794]

Ooh I like this idea. 👌

[@jesussalazar1901]

@@Scardy 100% agree the detail is there Sox was all about help Buzz that’s his hole purpose. I feel like people just want to complain at this movie for not reason

[@BSH9009]

The whole idea of buzz becoming zurg in a different timeline is an idea I'm all for. I personally love what if stories And the fact that it was brought into this particular scenario is something I find really cool though I do also agree that it could have been handled a lot better

[@nightwatch3889]

I don't like the idea to be honest. It's too generic. The whole point of Emperor Zurg is that he's like a polar opposite of Buzz, so making them both the same person is weird. But all respect if you enjoy the concept.

[@stickzigames479]

It reminded me of the ultimate enemy from Danny phantom

[@BrianAwesome]

Bro I'm still trying to figure out, how/when the "Light-year Factor" universe branched off ? 🤔 Like what of the L.Y.F. Warp Darkmatter ? 🤔

[@howsthefood2919]

heres another theory kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKSskpKCgNSdgKs

[@vegapreferred9344]

@@nightwatch3889it’s pretty cool. Buzz was in denial of being unable to finish the mission that he went mad. Obsessed. And the reason main buzz never went Zurg. Is because future buzz intervened being a distraction

[@ArmonPrice]

The problem is Disney really really liked the plot twist of Zurg being an evil version of Buzz that they didn’t think about how it would make sense.

[@keatzcheatz1989]

The real problem that Disney doesn't fully understand the concept of plot twists. Yes, we all knew zurg was buzz's father based from what we heard from toy story 2, but what they forgot was this film was supposed to be the movie Andy grew up watching as a kid. This was supposed to be a traditional movie towards older audiences, instead we got this.

[@Anonomous518]

Buzz Zurg perfectly represents modern day Disney in that they both don't think things through.

[@timedragon5492]

Maybe they could have actually had Zurg been captured and imprisoned by Star Command. He could spend years in isolated prison suffering from unchecked PTSD. Then he breaks out steals his ship back and then escapes into the future. It probably would’ve made more sense simply because he really felt like he had no other option.

[@meow-rr1gd]

A trilogy was actually planned out and yeah, the real zurg was probably planned to be in the second movie. The hornets also probably only say zurg because buzz never figured out how to make them say something else. But damn, i never noticed how many plotholes there were with this. Good job on the video man !

[@tobynobel5671]

Man I'd love to see a trilogy, I hope Disney+ views go so good that Pixar doesn't decide to axe the idea of a trilogy.

[@Purpulear]

@@tobynobel5671 Unfortunately they might cancel it. Since we still live in a time where a lot of people get pressed about two women kissing. Which accounts for a decent amount of of the poor sales.

[@WiGgYof09]

@@Purpulear After seeing the movie, I think that was just smoke and mirrors. The movie is pretty bland. There isn't anything terribly special about it. The Zurg twist was awful, Buzz's change of heart was forced, the entire movie was just kind of... meh... I'm sure there are a handful of idiots that didn't see the movie because of a lesbian couple, but I think the failure of the movie had far more to do with poor writing. I think Chris Evans did an ok job as Buzz, but the story wasn't all that great. Speaking of Evans, I think replacing Tim Allen with Chris Evans also hurt the movie. To many people Tim Allen is Buzz Lightyear. It's silly, but many people freak out when a voice actor is replaced and a beloved character doesn't "sound right" to them. Yes, there are plenty of ways you can explain away the change in voice, but people wanted to hear the "real" Buzz.

[@lee1130fromtwitter]

@@Purpulear stop lying. The story overall was bad. Bad writing. Bad direction. I could have made a better story that was faithful to the toy of buzz. This movie was bad and when the cat was the best part of a buzz movie they dun messed up

[@Purpulear]

@@lee1130fromtwitter See that's another thing. People aren't letting it stand on its own. And only base it on its comparison to Toy Story. Even though the movie clearly took its own direction with everything. There's a reason all the direct references are only done within the first few minutes. Also, I want to mention the same leaps of logic the original Toy Story had. Why does Buzz still act like a toy when humans are around? Why didn't Woody just say Sid broke Buzz? He should have actually tried to explain that pushing Buzz was an accident. No one notices these toys driving and chasing a moving van??

[@multi-voiceentertainment7013]

It's an old saying that I kind of believe in you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Buzz had went into the future and just saw his future self become Zerg.

[@vadiamgamer9753]

Let's take a look at some of the other lines of dialogue in the movie. When Zurg told Buzz that when he was testing the time travel device he manufactured. He said that it wore both himself and the crystal out. Time travel is NOT something to be messing around with or taken lightly as Zurg said "it's not an exact science". When one uses time travel, it generates chronitons that will allow a ship to enter the time stream and navigate it to a specific set of temporal coordinates, if done correctly. From what I have seen, Zurg did not have any sort of temporal shielding to protect himself from the radiation that would be created from time travel. I know that someone may say "well, what about when both he and Buzz were doing the hyperspeed tests?". For starters, those crystals he was using only allowed him to propel himself through space, and a very SMALL amount of space. Time Dialation was an unpredictable side effect probably due to the properties of the minerals they harvested from the planet. Then we get to the point where Zurg fled Tikani Prime and traveled centuries into the future. The chronitons generated necessary for a ship like the XL-15, compared to that of the Mothership, to enter the time stream makes the chronitons generated for Zurg's escape into the future practically nothing. Hence why he didn't start to become unstable until his time travel experiments. Which brings me to my next point. One of the hazards of temporal radiation is that it can affect a person's neural pathways, ergo, a person's memories. This can explain why he couldn't remember Izzy from the holomessage his friend left him after his mission on the XL-14. This can also affect one's way of thinking and why he became so obsessed that he couldn't tell he wasn't being affected by the changes in time. Zurg is literally mentally unstable and can't process certain things beyond what he believes which he uses as a grounding point for him and all of his choices. Plus, it is said that the crystal was worn out to the point where it was THEN that he realized he needed a new one. Since he's mentally unstable, and unfamiliar with the inner workings of the ship he "borrowed", he couldn't perform the necessary equations to conduct crystallic fusion. We know that Sox had worked on the formula, and could have saved it on his hard drives, but when we see future Sox. He was damaged with the parts inside his head showing and his eye being different. He could have lost the data of the formula when he was damaged. This left Zurg with no choice but to go back in time to get a new crystal. However, with the state HIS crystal was in, he could only go back to a week before Buzz's return in the XL-15. Another reason as to why Zurg couldn't conduct crystallic fusion with the future technology is because of a simple thing. The species that created the Mothership most likely didn't use hyperspeed crystal technology. When in the engine room, we don't see anything related to crystal technology, so he was forced to reverse engineer and build a modified version of the hyperspeed engine from the Turnip to use his crystal for his tests. Who knows how long that took him to accomplish. And let's not forget that when Zurg first found the ship. It was adrift in space showing no signs of movement. And it wasn't stated that the Mothership was state-of-the-art when it came to technology of that era, even though it was more advanced than his technology from his era in time. Zurg could have gone aboard, accessed the ship's systems, and found a way to activate the robots. He then could have found a way to implement himself into the system to be recognized as the leader with help of Sox. The robots, which probably aren't programmed to actually speak outside their native tongue, did not recognize a word from Buzz's language. They could only say "Zurg" as it was the closest thing they could come to "Buzz". Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to leave this here as my explanation to Zurg in Lightyear. What are all of your thoughts?

[@tobynobel5671]

I'm no multiverse expert, but Could it be that there was a side effect from old Buzz's hyperspeed? In the beginning the turnip was at hyperspeed but we don't know how fast, then his tests don't successfully reach hyperspeed. Then old Buzz pushes his XL15 as fast as it'll go for centuries worth of hyperspeed, Could something have caused his mind to have been damaged? Space dementia (from Armageddon lol). Then he would irrationally be so single mindedly focused on completing the mission. He does say it all took a toll on him... then his mind snaps and he goes evil... same as Anakin, all he wanted to do was save his wife. Then the whole "Anakin is gone. I am what remains" could work for Zurg. In Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, Zurg says "I'm not going to kill you, I'm going to take the galaxy's greatest hero and turn him into ...me." that could have meaning? Lol. But overall I think this opens 2 story arcs, Buzz did borrow or steal everything from someone. Was it nothing more than an old abandoned mining company that left their ship, or some future warlord (real Zurg)? Then when Buzz thinks it's his dad, why does it almost seem logical to Buzz that it could have been his dad? Buzz wasn't like "holy smokes! Dad?! What in the world are you doing here?!" So maybe his dad was lost in space or could potentially be a villain, and that is why Buzz is so hell bent on being the *good* Space Ranger.

[@aidancullinan9738]

I just want to see who the actual Zurg is or whoever owned all that technology before Buzz took it in the alternate timeline

[@aidanacebo9529]

I genuinely don't understand the hate for this movie. I enjoyed it, I loved the characters, the design, the writing, and most of all- the design of the ships, suits, and tech. way cool stuff. really got the short end of the stick with how it turned out. I mean we even get some Warhammer 40K vibes when Buzz fights those bugs.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Because the movie doesn’t fit with the buzz lightyear we already know whether it’s from toy story or the star command TV show. Never mind the fact that the tone is just completely different from what the original set. Buzz lightyear was a parody of many sci-fi movies of the past and this movie just doesn’t feel 90s at all. It doesn’t feel at all what Andy would of watched back in the early 90s. Also buzz becoming Zurg in this just doesn’t feel right especially with how he’s portrayed in toy story 2

[@aidanacebo9529]

@@crestofhonor2349 yeah, I am fairly certain they could have played off the whole "I'm your dad" thing and got away with it. it is tonally divergent from toy story, sure. but star command was a short run series that wasn't very successful, even though I enjoyed it as a kid too. it's not like it's in recent memory either. I think they were trying to set it up as a standalone series, which I would have loved, but they could have kept some of the sillier elements and still come off the same way.

[@ShellySwirl]

@@crestofhonor2349 My mom thought the reveal was kinda clever. I sorta disagree but at the same time I'm not quite sure. Also it doesn't feel like Buzz Lightyear because it's Buzz Lightyear but not related to Toy Story.

[@zzeroara9511]

i legitimately liked it. i only watched it a few days ago so after finishing it, i was really surprised people didn't like it

[@mr.rogers7612]

The Buzz lore comes from the dialogue of a toy! Andy never talked about the actual movie he seen. The fact people are upset we didn't get "toy Light-year" is nut nuts

[@manoftheusajones5147]

He's the Lightyear who should've been the 1 who aged along with Alisha.

[@jamezzz0035]

To sum it all up… *man went to space, comes home and believed to be rogue which made him angry so he flew away then found an abandoned ship with robots that sparked Buzz’s interest…*

[@Zx7o.]

Since they touched on multi-dimensional theory I have a funny feeling that the true Zerg from the future where Buzz failed to take over the alien technology will end up tracing through time back to young Buzz and that's how they'll be introduced as mortal enemies..

[@angelicabutterfly1794]

I think we can all agree that Buzz Lightyear of Star Command had the best Zurg

[@OzzyDrixClay]

Ironically this could fit in the Pixar universe. He was set off to infinity the movie is just like planet Oward. Super Carline Brothers original theory

[@Chaxar]

Zurg said he could not travel any farther back in time. He cannot go farther back in time than the moment when Buzz travels through time and the moment the timeline splits.

[@colorscales4269]

I hated that twist where Zurg turned out to be an alternate Buzz. The twist I found so stupid that once it happened, I couldn’t focus on anything else. I can barely remember the ending. But I’m not going to be “that guy” and say “if you like it you’re wrong”. If you like the twist good for you, at least it made some people happy

[@kelvindavid3446]

I wasn't cool with it either but still i do believe the real zurg is still out there,,,, cus buzz din defeat anyone to take over the ship

[@wyattguilliams9479]

So you got hung up on one inconvenience cool You and people like you need to remember that this movie... IS AN INTRODUCTION we can sit and ponder every yet to be known detail of the story and where it might possibly go or say this should have happened instead of this all day long but it's pointless The ""twist"" as you put it is odd I agree but getting hung up on it won't change anything regardless of if you think it ""makes people happy""

[@colorscales4269]

@@wyattguilliams9479 I'm not saying it influenced my thoughts on the movie, overall I still really liked it. I'm just giving my opinion on how I personally felt about Zurg in it.

[@ferrodliles9468]

Zurg in the star command series though..was top tier. He's like Hades in Hercules his obsessiveness and temper was hilarious and yet made him dangerous at the same time.

[@michaelgualtieri651]

Basically, the rules for Lightyear's Time travel are the same for Dragon Ball and the MCU. Changing the past doesn't change the future.

[@maxkelley2003]

I honestly don’t think that this was the real Zurg in Lightyear. It was just Buzz disguised as Zurg in a suit. The real Zurg is still out there, with a cape and he’s an emperor.

[@lidge1994]

I'd say Zurg never figured it out and in fact never met the more advanced civilization, it could've been an abandoned or stranded ship which he could just take for himself. Alternatively, as Buzz toppled Zurg, Zurg toppled the civilization.

[@PrimarisAlphaLegion]

I honestly loved the movie, especially the twist that Zurg is a evil future buzzlighter.

[@robertmason837]

I think Zurg was a good villain he represented what Buzz could be if he did hold onto the past, and also you can be your own worst enemy, which in Buzz’s case was true.

[@vegapreferred9344]

It shows that buzz was gonna surf no matter what happens. And if future buzz didn’t land into this timeline to distract the officers from waiting for main buzz then it would have been a loop

[@necroticskeleton3474]

A possible reason why zurg wasn't able to to make another critical is that he simply didn't have the materials to make one or a way what to integrate the technology used to make one with the technology on the ship, plus we don't know a lot about the future that zurg went too.

[@tacos4sale134]

In my opinion, Lightyear was not thought out well. And not to mention that the fans were not taken into consideration at all. For those of us who have seen the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command tv series, the Zurg there is the Zurg we love. Unfortunately the Zurg in Lightyear feels way too much like a ripoff Evil Buzz from BLOSC trying to be Zurg, in a Zurg exo suit. The BLOSC Zurg was tactical, methodical, and scheming. Lightyear’s Zurg is just a hulking brute who would rather punch his way through a door than try another way of opening it. The only good thing about Lightyear’s Zurg is the design, which some might say is debatable at least. I also hope BLOSC comes to Disney+ soon.

[@gussygamingprofessional6433]

Spoiler alert kind of the same thing with Marvel’s Secret Invasion

[@tevinhoward4419]

Buzz realized the past couldn't be changed although Zurg took no notice of the consequences of the disaster of the time continum.

[@tevinhoward4419]

It is right were old buzz devise his true colors by stealing the XL-15 and traveled fast forward in the past 50 years the result was catastrophic Zurg had succeed in creating a technological development of his Zyclops a nightmare come true trying to breach the base to get the fuel crystal himself 22 years in the future as he intervene to get after Buzz.

[@jacobcenter7374]

If this ever gets a sequel, I hope it's revealed that the ship Buzz found belonged to the original Zurg, a real evil emperor who built all of that, who's robots can only say his name. That would make me feel a lot better about this version of Zurg/evil Buzz. As a separate character, he's a fine villain, but as Zurg, he's lackluster

[@annaklvegynild8298]

I do believe it is implied that the reason Zurg traveled back to that point in time was due to the crystal being used up. Basically Zurg planned to travel back and prevent the crash, but the crystal didn’t have enough power and Zurg ended up at a later point in time. This would explain some of Zurg’s confusing behaviour since he never planned to travel to that point in time and had to adapt to the circumstances. Still doesn’t explain everything since he still had a week before Buzz arrived.

[@clevelandknight1094]

The problem was Zurg had gone crazy being alone for so long. So nothing he did was reasonable

[@CJBStudios]

I just watched Lightyear on Disney+ last night, and to be honest, I thought it was pretty good. I wouldn’t say it was great, but not terrible either, just good. I’d give it a 8.5/10. And yes, I did see that controversial scene with the audio description turned on, but I kind of ignored it. Regardless, I still liked the movie for what it did. That twist was definitely something I did not expect. But now that I think about it, given that Zurg in this in universe movie is basically an evil version of Buzz, I guess whoever thought of the idea of making the Buzz Lightyear cartoon within the Toy Story universe decided to change that twist by having Zurg and evil Buzz as separate things.

[@lunaria973]

What scene? Also I agree, it was good but not great.

[@CJBStudios]

@@lunaria973 The same kiss scene.

[@lunaria973]

@@CJBStudios I had a hunch.

[@CJBStudios]

@@lunaria973 What do you mean?

[@lunaria973]

@@CJBStudios I had a hunch that you were referring to the same kiss.

[@0g0dn0]

Zerg created the divergent timeline, specifically, when he invaded the planet before Buzz landed. By preventing Buzz from being intercepted by the Commander, he inadvertently changed Buzz’s future as well as his own past.

[@matthewreynoso6904]

I’d love for there to be a Lightyear sequel! I subscribe to the theory of there being a “real Zurg” in the regular Buzz’s timeline, and the one we saw was an alternate timeline Buzz Lightyear taking the mantle of Zurg! Man I’d love to see this all explained

[@isaacthewebcomiccreator9750]

First of all, I agree that this movie was probably not thought through so well, but I enjoy it nevertheless. Secondly, you’re absolutely right that neither Buzz nor Zurg ever fully understood how Time Travel works, and that it’s all about Alternate Timelines. My knowledge of Time Travel is actually a lot better than what it should be. This movie is probably a good example of the incorrect way to write a story about Time Travel.

[@agent4ww191]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@joeswanson733]

also 50 years of isolation while having the same nightmare over and over again will destroy you. that's what happened to alternate or prime buzz. as we have to keep in mind that the buzz we see in the movie (the young one) is actually the alternate buzz.

[@connorbeith3232]

Even if not all the pieces fit together nicely, I still enjoyed it as it's own sci-fi flick.

[@badpiggies988]

I think that Zurg wasn’t thinking things through that well because he was so obsessed with his one goal of creating an alternate timeline where he and his friend never crashed that he didn’t stop to think of the consequences of his plan to go back in time and get the crystal from our Buzz, which is why he didn’t make another one with the new alien technology. The movie was mostly well written other than the Zurg-related plot holes, and I love the idea of him being Buzz from an alternate timeline.

[@stephendragoo5697]

It felt like a few things just got left on the cutting room floor. The ambiguous info around the Zurg ship/technology or the logic in Zurg's plan after not realizing his plan would fail as soon as he met himself, but it was enjoyable enough of a watch.

[@loganbrony130]

I think the theory that the alternate Buzz isn't the true Zurg makes sense. After all, he did just find a suit that was already made. It was also taller than the original Zurg, so it would make sense that this Buzz stole a suit used by the true Zurg, for things like space travel. Also, the reason he didn't go back farther than he did is because he completely burned out his crystal at that point. He couldn't go back anymore, unless he got the crystal his past self made.

[@jackschoenfeldt6075]

What if the rookie from the beginning of the movie was Zurg along.

[@Michaeljefferson9000]

I feel like a lot of these questions are based on misinterpretations of what we saw in the movie. Zurg still existing doesn't mean he was wrong about time travel, because it could be as simple as time travel in this universe not working how we assume it should. It's not the story's fault we got it wrong. My assumption was that Zurg became detached from his own time when he traveled backwards, so that future not existing wouldn't effect him. Just because one society has technology far superior to another's, that doesn't mean their scientific concepts, methods, or resources are compatible 1:1. Zurg, a super genius by today's standards, had to mash up a rig with an operating system he already knew to even begin to understand how it all worked (which apparently took over 50 years), and then he would have needed the raw resources that are combined to make the fuel source, and _then_ he would have needed the exact ratio to put them all together. It's the entire reason he had to attack the city in the first place, he didn't even have the resources necessary to start the work. Zurg would have little way of knowing the exact day and time Buzz would be returning to the marooned planet, considering Buzz didn't even know that 22 years had passed until Sox did a scan and told him. The fact that he even got within a week of the accurate date is practically a miracle. The most Zurg could do was have a robot scout the location for the ship until it showed up, because the vast majority of the robots were trying to bring town the plasma shield wall for the last week. Zurg was pretty explicitly not trying to kill Buzz at first, because as soon as the ship was discovered the robots understood Buzz was there and consistently tried to teleport him to Zurg's ship. Zurg did, in fact, try to find Buzz and talk to him as soon as possible but needed to down the ship they were in first. Note how the robots' weapons were easily able to destroy the craft the rookies were going to use, but Zurg's personal ship - even with a direct hit - only managed to drop them out of the sky. Once face-to-face he could have killed any of them if he wanted to, but very blatantly avoided actually hurting them. I doubt that I'm 100% correct about all of this, but the given reasons in the assertion that Zurg doesn't make sense don't really hold up based on the movie's actual narrative, in my opinion. And sorry if this is kind of jumbled, I'm typing all this at 2 in the morning.

[@damonpono8337]

Hopefully a sequel explains who the original owner of the zurg suit was and what happened to them

[@ScytheXenoverse7659]

To my expression of why Buzz became Zurg, it was weird at first at the sight. Cause if it was Buzz's Father then why isn't his dad on The Ship, the one that he crashed. Simple he wasn't even there when at the after the movie started. So in that way of saying is that I love this twist to know that every Villian is an hero to their story.

[@drrobotnik44]

Zurg was never truly buzz's father

[@ScytheXenoverse7659]

@@drrobotnik44 I know that, and thanks for commenting on this my friend. To Infinity and Beyond.

[@drrobotnik44]

@@ScytheXenoverse7659 sure thing to infinity and beyond

[@shadowthedestroyer2241]

@TECHNOBLADE IS BURNING IN H3LL ...

[@micahbirdlover8152]

@@drrobotnik44 how come zurg wasn't in buzz light year🤨

[@ashtonsnedegar5916]

My theory is that when old buzz found the suit, he portrayed himself as zurg and even stated that the robots have a hard time saying buzz and says it as "b-zurg" because zurg is their real master, and with old buzz making modifications on them, they seem to still have somewhat of a memory of zurg and says it the way it does because zurg is their master but buzz reprogrammed them but has a slight error when trying to say buzz, so the real zurg could be out their still but might be revealed in a sequel. If they do make a sequel to it which I think they should.

[@Amon9575]

I don’t even think future buzz even really is Zerg, I mean he found it all abandoned

[@demetrinight5924]

I do have to wonder if there is a different "Zurg" somewhere in the Lightyear universe. I think the alternate Buzz might have found one of Zurg's ships. That is why the robots say Zurg.

[@jet5299]

Possible though they could easily make evil buzz come back and do his stuff the only difference is he's trying to kill and dominate instead of trying to get out of that time period

[@grimmcquade]

You might want or need to rewatch the original of this movie. In the original Zurg has secret bases, stashed and stored with everything he needs to hideout should anything happen even going so far as to fake his death. Its very possible the ship Buzz stole was one of these bases set to remain hidden until Zurg arrived, the robots accept buzz as Zurg because he can wear the suit not because he is Zurg, they don't know the difference.

[@njdmanok]

Did you… just put a spoiler in the THUMBNAIL AND TITLE?? It JUST went to Disney Plus yesterday!! I was gonna watch it tonight dude.

[@superaustin6383]

I know right I didn't even realize it was on Disney Plus yet. Was really looking forward to the movie

[@wylerXL]

this is definitely not what andy (in toy story) saw in the movie. way back 1995, storylines are much simpler, emotionally engaging, funny jokes, and good character buildup. young audience would not quite comprehend the plot twist. its not even relatable from a point of view of a child to make it his new "cool" toy.

[@lunakingsley.7247]

Zurg clearly didn't know how all the tech works and couldn't really reprogram the robots. Socks doesn't full trust Zurg and likely wouldn't tell him how to make the crystals. A lot of your complaints aren't that difficult to explain. Oh and a sequel with an original Zurg is definitely possible.

[@jesussalazar1901]

I agree it seems like people just want to complain at this movie for no reason, also come on Zurg/Old Buzz is clearly going mad, he doesn’t think at the consequences, as 99% of villains do; don’t get why in this case is the exception.

[@Scardy]

Also, I don’t think Sox even had the formula committed to his memory banks. All his work was on the console that got smashed, so he probably couldn’t just tell Buzz the formula, even if he wanted to.

[@lunakingsley.7247]

@@jesussalazar1901 Yap.

[@lunakingsley.7247]

@@Scardy yeah it's pretty likely sox didn't have the formula. And even if he did at that point he probably wouldn't tell Zurg.

[@TheGroovinGamer]

Didn’t Zerg specifically say that was the furthest he was able to go back in time because the crystal wearing out?

[@shizzlitt8998]

This man just broke Andy’s favorite movies plot

[@michaelgualtieri651]

I really hope that we get a sequel for this. Yeah, it's not a perfect movie but it has incredible potential. And when we see Zurg again, I really hope that due to the explosion from the crystal, it'd cause a Darth Vader type scenario that destroyed most of his body bound to a suit. And eventually becomes the evil Emperor we all know and love.

[@axels3188]

I think an Alternative buzz becoming Zurg was an interesting twist better than the Cliché of the Villian being revealed to be the Hero’s father it play into you either Die a hero or live to become a Villain Harvey Dent line.

[@finalbossgamer5481]

If we do get a lightyear sequel, or a new show, i do hope we see Zurg again. I mean, there HAS to be a Zurg somewhere. Someone else is Zurg. Future Buzz stole the Zurg armor, and since the armor was MADE, it means someone else has wore it. There has to be a Zurg somewhere in the future. Whether it's future buzz or the original wearer of the Zurg armor.

[@Big-Bert]

How can his “time” effect him? He’s not there. He left his time behind. The moment he changed the past his time ceased to exist. He is outside of his time. He’s a product of a timeline that no longer exists. But not being in it when it met it’s fate he’s exempt. Now a part of this new timeline.

[@JockeyStrappers]

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact that they got light travel so backwards. He should have been the one that aged, not them. and the distance to the star was already so close that there is no way light travel would leave such a gap in years, minutes at most!

[@potssnpanns8418]

I don't think you get how time dilation works at all.

[@potmeetkettle]

@@potssnpanns8418 The fact they misunderstood the most important part of the movie 🤣

[@wyattguilliams9479]

Traveling at the speed of light around the planet alone is enough for you to age a few hours while the people living on the planet aged 1 year Scientists have recently observed for the first time that, on an epigenetic level, astronauts age more slowly during long-term simulated space travel than they would have if their feet had been planted on Planet Earth.

[@Switch2Life]

Just so you know, Zurg actually says he could only go as far back as buzz landing after a successful flight. This means all those options you listed, he couldn’t actually do.

[@Mech45pro]

I have a theory that this isn't the real zurg

[@TheWusha]

No need to put spoilers in the title.

[@giantmonsters-z5541]

He wasn't thinking straight he was a mad old man in a giant robot Shoot.

[@owenscott6159]

That not the real zurg old buss stole the real zurg armor from the future

[@adrianibarra7713]

I think a huge oversight is how the Zurg ship already existed in the future. So it must mean that there's a real Zurg out there, because Buzz didn't create that technology, he just took it from the future. So the possibility of a sequel with the real Zurg could be possible, and i think even necessary. And then there's the whole time travel paradox where no matter what u change in time, things are gonna play out the same. So let's say that the real Zurg still hasn't been created since it was something from the future, but they will still encounter it in the current timeline and maybe defeat them, then that would explain why there's an abandoned Zurg ship in the future. Just thoughts, and i only watched the movie once so maybe I'm missing a few things, but i found that interesting.

[@artisticangel5795]

The idea of Buzz and Zerg are one and same is good and everything… but I just can’t help but feel like the execution of that idea could’ve done better? Only take away the old man angle, taking some inspiration from the Evil Buzz Lightyear from the cartoon series, and then the idea just might work. 🤔

[@CarbonAnimationProductions]

i think they might introduce the real zurg in lightyear 2 bc evil buzz just said he found all that alien tech out in space, thats gotta belong to somebody.

[@jeremyconner2325]

I've been waiting to watch Lightyear with my daughter, I have avoided spoilers for all this time. We were 30 mins from the end tonight when she was too sleepy and needed to go to bed. SO what I am saying is that you just spoiled the movie for me with your title. I hadn't even clicked clicked your video, it showed up in my subscriptions and spoiled me right away without giving me a chance to continue to avoid information about this movie.

[@tubeyouber97]

I think the start of the movie explains most of this. It's not an origin story to Andy, it's an awesome space movie made to sell toys... That come to life. Also this movie technically came out before Toy Story.

[@devinhereYT]

other than the spoilers in the title awesome video as usual man!

[@grantarmstrong2968]

I think that the most important thing to remember considering this is that surf had decades to stew on all of his failures, and in specific his failure to complete his mission. Zurg unfortunately fails to reach the point in time that he is attempting to and then scrambles to fix his mistake by searching for data on the time crystal in the colony, but since that is destroyed he sets out to find buzz, but he isn’t able to locate the exact location and time because he hadn’t marked it exactly when he rushed off, so he sent out search parties designed to bring buzz and his ship to Zurg. I have a different theory as to why Zurg wasn’t able to recreate the time crystal in the future, and that is that the time crystal was over engineered by socks. Socks spent an entire lifetime running computations, simultaneously improving at designing better and better time crystals. It is possible that the hyper speed crystal that socks designed was overengineered to go fast at the expense of being way overcomplicated to achieve lightspeed. This would make sense since socks kept the data to himself, worked 24-7 on it, and the rest of the colony had eventually given up on designing space fuel over time. Socks had nothing but time to design the perfect fuel, but it was unnecessarily effective, and it allowed for time travel. As for why the future didn’t have the fuel, it’s because the fuel would be unnecessarily complicated to make and they had moved on to teleportation (a technology they show us) therefore they had no need for hyper speed crystals or things to test these crystals with. I think that Zurg actually understood time travel, otherwise he would not have been willing to kill buzz, I think he knew that by creating a variation of his life where he succeeded, he would have the knowledge that a version of himself had saved the colony

[@RADARMYBRAT32]

I love lightyear even if this plot twist is a bit ridiculous

[@shardsoftime0952]

Me too It just feels like a 90s sci fi movie

[@TrensGemini]

My intake. For plot to make sense authors need to add two things. First before leaving Sox with work to figure out how to stabilize crystal Buzz needed to add “If authority tries to take you delete all memory about crystal” it will explain why future Sox cannot recreate the crystal. Second, when the crystal is in progress of printing add some sort of anomaly (glitch in a system, lighting strike that for a moment power down a machine anything random) and a line like “somehow this crystal even more durable than normal one and because of that it allows you to travel back in time”. So even if Sox can analyze crystal, without knowing what exactly cause the abnormality he cannot recreate it.

[@lukesfilmltd]

MY GOD THANKS FOR THE SPOILER IN THE NAME :(

[@merjo82]

Yeah, I love his content, but this made me sad. It ruins the movie 😢

[@Zemnas.]

The real zurg must've known that an alternate buzz will come....

[@Josh-wk5lg]

Let me know if I'm wrong but isn't this movie fairly new-ish? Does no one actually care about not spoiling a movie anymore? Why would you put something like that in the title???

[@ghostfave1216]

Probably because you had a month and a half to see the movie in theaters and didn't they just came out on Disney plus so now it's a good time to be talking about spoilers

[@madambutterfly1997]

It was Disney's way of force feeding the name for the main antagonist cuz they had no other way of explaining how he gets the name Zurg

[@bunnyli400]

I'm so sad! I didn't get to watch the movie yet and I saw this notification!!! Nooooooo!!!!!

[@purehyper124]

I feel like Zurg being Buss is only for referents, instead of making a good thought-out villain, I rather Zurg rather be an evil robot.

[@SpectrumSwordtails]

Keep in mind this movie is based off of the saturday tv series. Back in those days the shows focused less on logic and more on the action, meaning it's best not to think about it too hard. Besides this is Buzz we're talking about, as shown in the tv series when he sets his sights on something he tends to get tunnel vision, and a lot to get through that thick skull of his.

[@zzeroara9511]

exactly, the movie we're watching is just a better looking version of the movie Andy watched. i thought it was very obvious they knew this when making it

[@Dont_care_4_U]

Didn’t bother watching the movie because Disney didn’t want my money so thanks for the recap

[@Nazo-kage]

I can think of a few anime, for one character has a huge plan in mind that requires everything to fall into place perfectly, And they will kill anyone even friends family and loved ones because if they succeed in their plan it won’t matter. I think that’s the same thing with Zerge. Even if buzz or anyone else were to tell him that what he’s planning is not how time travel works, he wouldn’t want to listen, because it would mean all the ‘sacrifices’ he has made would be for nothing.

[@tevinhoward4419]

B-Zurg aka Zurg that what the Zyclops called him Burnside and the troops went after him but can't and wore out the fuel crystal trying to prevent the incident from happening from the first place Buzz disallow it noticing that Alisha's life would be in great danger and Izzy and her crew might not exist if the mistake was fixed wrongly of the the paradox But Zurg ignored the warning of changing the past.

[@Austar7]

Good thing I saw the movie yesterday, because that is one heck of a spoiler in my subscription feed.

[@silvertongue8104]

To be fair Buzz is old and kinda crazy at this point so I think Logic went out the airlock a few decades ago

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

This is why you never do time travel. It's to confusing

[@thedragonskull1065]

I was honestly expecting Zurg to be that rookie who Buzz left for dead at the beginning of the movie. I feel like that would’ve been a lot better. Also, what would’ve made the movie so much better is a Eve credits scene where we see Andy in a cinema watching the movie with a girlfriend and he complains that the remake of his childhood franchise is not as good as the original as a way for Pixar to make fun of Disney’s live action remakes or something

[@Casterspellproductions]

Jesus Christ man are you at all familiar with the term spoilers

[@themostdangerousProd]

I think the movie needed a scene that revealed that BZurg had gone to many alternate timelines and every time failed to change the past. Reveal him destroying the Turnip, reveal him having like a crate full of destroyed buzz lightyear dog tags, reveal a pile of big scrapped Sox. Show that with every jump, he failed to correct his mistakes, and he didn’t time travel a few years into the past, he had been at it for eons. Bzurg was driven mad by his obsession with the mission. The post credits scene should have shown the one armed Zurg robot being taken by one of the planet vines, and reveals that the vines were an alien hive mind, that downloads the data from the drone, correcting the robot to say “ZU…zUhh, ZURG! Deee, STROY! DESTROY BUZZ LIGHTYEAR!”

[@cfowler7936]

Why do people insist on spoiling movies with titles like these? 🙄

[@yournamei5]

lol wait i agreed at first but i realized toy story explained the star wars parallel. cant forget the "im am your father" reference

[@ghostfave1216]

It's because you had a month and a half to see the film in theaters and for whatever reason didn't it just came out on Disney plus so it's fair to say that it's a good time to be talking about spoilers

[@cfowler7936]

@@ghostfave1216 Some of us work and have busy social lives. Not a dingbat anyone it's just the truth 😂

[@darthash18]

And the thing about not being able to make a new crystal. It’s centuries in the future, so it likely that they simply discovered a different fuel source and forgot about crystallic fusion. I believe the saying is “what’s old is new.” Like how people today have never used a Walkman unironically

[@KingRioT1]

OMW home to watch the movie opened youtube and bam DARN spoilers 😑

[@ghostfave1216]

You had a month and a half to see the film in theaters and it just now came out on Disney Plus so it's a good time to be talking about spoilers

[@johnthecrazedsskull81]

All I can say is Zurg's plan would have worked as changing a timeline doesn't make a parallel universe like in the MCU but rather destroys the old one so the new one can exist.

[@superaustin6383]

I haven't been able to see the movie yet...wish this had a spoiler warning for the title card

[@malintent2025]

I think that alt buzz/zurg had an older version of I.V.A.N main buzz had a square shaped one whilst zurg had a triangulad shaped one, later in the story after buzz had been using his old xl-15 ship which had the square I.V.A.N. when our bizz gets the new version of the armadillo with the new space rangers, its a pentagon, suggesting a newer iteration