Ligue 1 in crisis: Why Lyon, Lille & more may have to sell their best players | Ask Ornstein

[@TheAthleticFCPodcast]

Which Ligue 1 player is most suited to the Premier League? Let us know 👇

[@dheepak9369]

Kylian Mbappe- no doubt

[@Voodootiger]

Neymar for an actor duo with sterling upfront for city

[@dheepak9369]

@@Voodootiger well well a medal each for England and Brazil in Olympics diving team

[@dheepak9369]

Let's throw in an Oscar for Ney

[@genekwagmyrsingh9433]

Camavinga

[@brajeshwarthakur9001]

Ligue 1 teams going through an economic crisis and have to sell PSG : money go brr.....

[@karlhans4116]

@@spark556 lmao nazi nation whining 😂

[@hassansaleh1201]

They are on free transfer spree Salary can be handled over time except if you are barca

[@mori5481]

@@karlhans4116 solid argument, haha your nation did a bad thing 70 years ago, time to insult you for it. He's being a dumbass too, dw about it but that comment is a bit stupid, don't ya think?

[@bababoya5598]

@@spark556 I agree with the oil but how tf are they supporting terrorism

[@spark556]

@@bababoya5598 2017 Qatar diplomatic crisis

[@trequinho]

Ligue 1 should have seen the warning signs with Serie A rejecting mediapros deal 12 months previous

[@sij748]

Over the past 20-25 years, Ligue 1 has always been a league willing to sell players to foreign clubs. From Zinedine Zidane to Thierry Henry to Paul Pogba, France is good at exporting football players. The only major exception has been Kylian Mbappe due to the wealth of PSG.

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

Kerching. He will go this summer as he will not sign a new contract.

[@rizalfadil5430]

Isnt pogba from united academy?

[@sij748]

@@rizalfadil5430 Paul Pogba is French and played for the Le Havre youth team before being exported to Manchester United

[@sofus47]

You say export like they're trade goods

[@sij748]

@@sofus47 football players are owned by their respective clubs. When a club sells a player they are exporting the services of their player.

[@PoorlyWalnuts]

This transfer window feels like we’re winding up to a crazy final week

[@polo-kf6yh]

Surely Arsenal can get a French Ben White for 10 million.

[@FiBNd]

Sven Bottman?

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

Leeds really wanted him last summer, really wanted him. In the end they bought Llorente and Koch, two international defenders for the fee offered for White. With a heavy heart, the whole fanbase admitted they had been very wise traders. Will add, having seen him play every game for Leeds, the weakness in White's game is his strength and aerial ability. If your team desire these qualities, don't buy White.

[@petergarcia3378]

Saliba, but ArTeTa doesnt like him

[@Petrolosis]

Homegrown quota though

[@DavidSmith-qf3sm]

@@davidmarkaldridge9546, Ben White can pass the ball and tackle but he’s not good in the air. I am a Leeds fan also. He had Cooper at the side of him. We signed 3 players for 50 million, 2 central defender and a Brazilian genius. He’d done well at a top 5 club. It’s surprising that we got him so cheap for 17 million but 12 upfront and the rest in add ons.

[@akshaypanwar4964]

It's still shocking to see that so many clubs don't have enough money and they have to sell to help their club run , but then there is German League, who don't have that much money but they use the money in the best way possible . It's amazing to see how good their system is .

[@nabilahmadsiddiqui345]

What's so good about that farmer's league? If the Bundesliga was as good as people claim it to be then it wouldn't be a one horse race ten years in a row. Even in the Champions League, there is one Bayern Munich who compete from Germany for the title, no one else whereas the Premier League has at least three teams vying for the title.

[@10seconds0]

Meanwhile PSG: crisis? What crisis?, anyway look at our new signing, cool isn't it? Who should we sign next?

[@mchannel1365]

Psg can easily fund whole league 1

[@cly1121989]

One wonders who audits these deals…

[@sahilm2002]

Mr. Nobody

[@Mad_Intellect]

People that probably accept bribes to ok the deals regardless.

[@bryansu9033]

Probably need levy to help them negotiate

[@saltmerchant749]

Whomever those who want the deals to go ahead decide to hire.

[@yt.personal.identification]

"We audited our processes and found we were perfect"

[@DAFTnYOUNG]

Lyon is the biggest question mark for me, they have three 20+m€ players returning from loan, Andersen is the only one who's played at all while on loan. Depay has left a big hole and they have no one to replace his assists and goals numbers. They have plenty of promising players (Bard, Cherki) who got little playing time so far. They do have a very strong midfield. And they've got a new manager who's still unproven and will have no transfer budget. We could end up anywhere between 2nd and 8th in L1

[@DAFTnYOUNG]

And we've got no wonderkid to sell at a good price

[@TheSpinZoneBL]

I think Lyon will be fine Sell Aouer to Arsenal for over €35mil and hope the money fixes itself

[@ivailobumbovski4286]

Why Lyon didnt get Galtier Bosz is very unproven

[@mastertrams]

Or do what Monaco did when they were managed by an equally unproven manager...

[@diavoloda981]

@@ivailobumbovski4286 cause galtier went to Nice

[@МаоЦзэдун-б5с]

Remember when Lyon refused to sell Aouar for 45m, hahahaha

[@polo-kf6yh]

I know, one year makes a big difference, now they are begging for us to take him, well we'll see..what else you got?

[@Eagles2020]

@@polo-kf6yh why would he go to a middle table club?

[@МаоЦзэдун-б5с]

@@Eagles2020 $$$$$$ but of course no one really interested in buying him lmao

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

Remember Dortmund turning their noses up at the offer from MU for Sancho last summer!

[@thegoodgunner]

considerate he has been quiet injured prone and vastly overrated by people who never watch him play because he is good in FM or FIFA for the last 2 year, 45 M Lyon would have laught to the bank

[@mehrkidoom3598]

David ornstein and laurie withwell 2 of the best sports journalist along with carl anka and andy mitten could here them all speaking all day long

[@Daviebhoy25cfc]

France picked up less coefficient points than Scotland, last season, and their Champions scraped a draw at home to Celtic and lost away to them.

[@indianoutlook5565]

It was really unfair to Bein and Canal+ and the clubs in ligue 1 and 2, all because of the greed to progress now. If you try to achieve progress instantly you'll fall off a cliff. Shameful.

[@aastar2199]

I think Ligue 1 will regret burning this bridge with Canal+, even if they are forced to honor their current deal, they won't want to negotiate any future contracts with Ligue 1 now.....

[@dave8683]

Great video fellas David and Laurie two of the most reliable journalists out there!

[@Augastine1]

Lyon , Monaco , Lille , Marseille ….once wealthy business men/women decide to purchase clubs in France … ligue1 wud be the best league … the home grown talent is there

[@kingaufswag]

bro France literally produces the best talent in Europe and around the world

[@mchannel1365]

Rich French people never live in France due to heavy taxes. When I say rich I mean upwards of 100 million net worth

[@andrewfisher1404]

I like the way people in sports soccer in particular talk about players like they did in slavery time, basically nothing has changed. It's all about my master versus your master, my slave versus your slave. I personally think it is a Damn shame in this day and age

[@sauravnarayanan5162]

Fantastic knowledge from David, Matt and Laurie. Would love to see Aouar at Arsenal

[@mastertrams]

Listening to the section where you spoke about clubs was so frustrating. And it's been the same all year in France. You are right to say it had a highly climatic end, BUT IT WASN'T JUST AT THE TOP! The relegation battle was insane this year, and it just gets batted off as an insignificant event. It is so infuriating!

[@polo-kf6yh]

Honestly you don't get these knowledge from other footy channels..big up 👍

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

The issue is with the thick pundits that most media outlets employ. They have dumbed down our football understanding for years. These guys are professionals whose job is to understand football whereas all the media outlets across the board hire guys who played football. Not really sure why they think the audience want that, and in fact i'd suggest it's the total opposite; they hate these chancers.

[@majorvikt8122]

Splendid stuff. Really really insightful video. Keep up the great work Dan and your French Football colleagues👍🏾

[@jtjr26]

I am just amazed that they could screw up the TV deal so spectacularly. Yea they went for the big money deal and that did not work out but now their new partners are now owning up their end of the bargain. When they renegotiated the new deal after the other one fell apart they should have stuck with CANAL+ at least they are reliable.

[@Shambles7698]

Ligue 1 : we in crisis economic PSG : we don't do that here

[@ashishshukla2157]

What an astonishing video this is. Love it.

[@84Pisani]

I think it’s very strange that Ligue1 even started talking to Mediapro after Serie A refused their offer based on the fact that, after investigation, they deemed Mediapro as not able to fix all the tv structure for showing all the matches and, more importantly, not able to pay what they promised.

[@TonyHauk]

oh this reminds me of how a new company called STRIVE got rights to show LaLiga in Scandinavia in 2018, and the app was new, crashed all the time and had very poor support.

[@duncanwalter3613]

I think they were fair transfer prices, but they certainly missed out on the ability to sell slightly inflated, especially when selling to EPL

[@jommzom9715]

While teams in ligue un selling there best player, PSG are buying everyone

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Technically they seem to be getting everyone on a free (apart from Hakimi)

[@beaconing7689]

@@Ryan-ys2bq those massive wage bills aren't free 😑

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

@@beaconing7689 yeah, also signing bonuses but technically not buying them

[@nicolasguilbert3435]

Ligue 1 is the only football where the media rights fight are more interesting than the league itself

[@mastertrams]

Clearly someone didn't follow Ligue 1 this season just gone...

[@mastertrams]

@@jordanmince8109 Oh, it wasn't just this season... This season was just the most recent exciting/interesting season. Just since the turn of the millennium, you've had seasons such as 2016-17, whereby Monaco beat PSG to the title, 2011-12 where Montpellier beat PSG to the title, in fact, 2008-2012 had a different winner every season! And then there's the time mentioned in this video when English clubs were serving their ban from Europe, and French football was second best only to Italian football.

[@markovidovich284]

Great video - as a follow up, wonder what the Bundesliga needs to do to stop Bayern’s dominance?

[@karlhans4116]

other club needs money

[@Sam1626473]

Can the next video be: Why are Italian clubs so broke?

[@ObviouslyKieran]

@Johnny Ola They've been broke for 14 years 😂😂

[@Kofi_Mensahs_BurnerAccount]

Calciopoli had a massive effect on Italian football. Many were turned off by the debacle.

[@krish4246]

Would love to see one of boubacar kamara,camavinga,Bruno guimares, caqueret,botman at the “Theatre of dreams”

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

Admit it . . . you have absolutely no idea how any of those guys actually play. Picking names from the tabloids . . . probably how your club run their transfer business. p.s. theatre of dreams, ha ha, muppet.

[@krish4246]

@@davidmarkaldridge9546 no idea how they play Unlike you , I have been watching those players play for well over 2 yrs and if you had any iota of brain you would know for yourself that 4/5 players are midfielders which we are desperate for And botman is a real target for us if Varane move fails So yeah who is the muppet now 🤡 Wrong person to pick this fight pal

[@Mad_Intellect]

Camavinga.

[@SoumilAroraDotCom]

Wow! Top quality as always! 🙌🏻

[@drww1]

this whole thing of the gubbed up tv deal reminds me of the SPL/Setanta tv and how badly it rippled throughout the divisions

[@beaconing7689]

Meanwhile... PSG : huh, what crisis?

[@davidmarkaldridge9546]

The effect on the home market will be huge with players of similar or better ability available from France at much lower fees. Other than Villa, who seem determined to support the EFL each season with crazy fees, Watkins and Buendia, no -one is buying English this summer . . . and just when EFL clubs will be looking for a financial boost. As such, expect a flurry of late cheap deals from the Championship too.

[@dannytheh3ro]

Not necessarily true, clubs playing in Europe are required to have a minimum of 4 players trained by the club and 8 trained within the nation for a minimum of 3 years before they turn 21. This is actually the reason why good English players are so ex0ensive in the first place, the big teams need them to fill out there squad. If they don't have these players they are restricted with the number they can register for European competition.

[@dodge33cymru]

So many comments seeing this as an opportunity for people's chosen clubs, but IMO it's a terrible thing for football that the bottom clubs in England can buy the players from the top French Champions' League clubs; it's at risk of becoming the Super League by stealth. Don't get me wrong, it's arguably improving competitiveness in the English top flight, but for the future of continental football it's a grim future unless the other league's can find investors with similar pockets. It's a pity because the future of French teams as a competitive European force seemed to be on the way up with this original deal.

[@asheru9254]

French has been selling their star players for 2 decades and half and still no shift ofyour worries🤷‍♂️

[@broca246]

I honestly do not get your point…

[@dodge33cymru]

@@broca246 my point is that we'd all be better off if there were multiple countries with strong leagues and a European competition that pits the best of those leagues against each other. As it is, disasters like this in the French league are doing the opposite: just strengthening the hand of English clubs and reducing the chance for meaningful European competition.

[@dodge33cymru]

@@asheru9254 yes, but when they announced their new TV deal originally it indicated that there may be a future where the top French clubs were less reliant on that transfer income. Now, because of the deal's implosion (and subsequent replacement deal being much lower), it's the opposite case.

[@LaPlumeDeOrikaa]

@@asheru9254 and France hasnt won any cl/el in the last 2 decades coz they've been plundered by english clubs mostly. Every clubs from the lower leagues like France belgium the netherlands Portugal & all will slowly become 1 season teams to then be forced to sell all of it's talents to england spain italy germany ect..

[@vincegonzalez2171]

The further question from here is: How much long term damage will this bring? Will it only get worse from here? The league was already declining in quality, could it get to a point where it can be surpassed by Portugal, Russia, or the Netherlands?

[@Agueroooo]

I really hope camavinga doesn’t go to United they waste so much talent, surely he’ll look at what they did to pogba and think twice.

[@AlexJones-ue1ll]

Looks more like a sign that the football bubble is about to burst.

[@miamitten1123]

That’s what I’m thinking 🤔 is the underling to it all. Maybe the Premiership will survive but all of football in Europe seems to be in financial trouble. Also, Covid accelerated this to the Nth degree.

[@AlexJones-ue1ll]

@@miamitten1123 Covid is a nightmare for football. Not only no audience, but people worried about jobs and the future have little patience for millionaires whining about lack of crowds. Football enthusiasm in general has cooled off; and with the EURO2020s giving a good show case on how large crowds spread the disease again, there will be no support for having crowds in stadiums when numbers rise again ... leading to another period of empty stands - which in turn make it less attractive to watch them on the Teley. And at the same time there are crazy fees in the air again. Like that 150m€ for Haaland. Thats just an insane amount of money and the feeling of a parallel universe between football and the average guy on the street will intensify.

[@PhilWhelanNow]

@@AlexJones-ue1ll disagree.. fans are itching to get back into the grounds. The love for your club hasn’t really changed. Pricing may change, but English clubs are well financed, and whole clubs are being bought for peanuts in France, Belgium etc. More groups of several clubs are coming, Utd World for example.. Sheff Utd that is. There’s economies of scale, and transferral/specific roles like recruitment/data management, still in development for football. Pubs are going out of business, because beers are in supermarkets. Football clubs and crowds will endure beyond covid.. they’ve survived pandemics and wars before, and the fundamentals are still there. Football teams bond communities.

[@AlexJones-ue1ll]

@@PhilWhelanNow they are well financed ... now. Thanks mostly to overpriced tickets and a overvalue TV deal. Next time the TV deal is up for negotiation, it might only be half, or two thirds of what its now. And then the "well financed" clubs may have problem. Especially if they keep overpaying for transfer fees. And pubs going out of business is a problem - who do you think really pays for TV fees? Pubs pay 10,000s to be able to show life football to draw in audiences.

[@crooner4848]

When Qatar bought PSG it spelt the end of Ligue 1. It was just a matter of time. The fact that Bein sports and PSG have the same state owners in Qatar, you have another spanner in the works.

[@finalfrontier001]

PSG created a brand larger than Ligue 1. France government loves the free advertisement.

[@zabluoc4549]

They have only one way to run a football team. Who's gonna sell more or for how much. Even when the team is great there's no effort to keep the team together. Monaco won the league in 2017 and then sold 2/3 of the players just after.

[@dreamjackson5483]

Good info. Good video

[@Michaelkaydee]

Most suited for the Prem, Camavinga for United... future superstar

[@speedystewart]

Don't even on about concerning PSG dominance, on the bright side you lot should be fortune you've got a French team that can compete in the champions league and earned points for the Ligue 1 ranking, beneficial to every French team.

[@MartinRich91]

Camavinga feels like the perfect replacement for Wijnaldum at Liverpool

[@krish4246]

It’s Manchester or Paris

[@yaheardme111]

What's in Manchester 🤔🤔

[@JustinFC_FIFA]

@@yaheardme111 the biggest club in England and one of the biggest clubs in the world, Manchester United.

[@yaheardme111]

@@JustinFC_FIFA when you high off crack and meth it is 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@Kieran03m]

@@krish4246 or madrid

[@aaroongunner4444]

Osum info mr david... 👏👏👏👍👌

[@TheBusbyBabes]

so this could be a factor in the camavinga deal?

[@fedexpolo]

Ligue 1 in crisis Meanwhile PSG: 🤑 🤑 💸💸

[@mchannel1365]

Oil money 💰

[@finalfrontier001]

​@@mchannel1365 they generate their own cash.

[@SantomPh]

Ligue 1 trying to be the EPL, ends up like Bayern's Bundesliga. Boring and dominated by 1 team that bleeds money. Naturally both the national teams failed hard at Euro 2020

[@cliffebong8764]

The best football channel to ever exist, Ornstein will be a legend for ever

[@JohnSmith-zv8km]

Why do the US get the subscription for 30% less than we in the UK.

[@user-gj2et4pr3n]

Top class journalism 👏🏾

[@Yob365]

BeIN Sports in America is awful. Thank god ESPN got the rights to La Liga for 8 years. Hopefully, they get out of that awful channel and go somewhere better. Maybe, ESPN, Paramount or NBC where it is 100 times accessible

[@espben360]

This sounds like the Itv digital callapse a while ago in England. Put every team in desparation mode

[@DavidSmith-qf3sm]

Everyone I knew had chipped itv or cable.

[@niccolocaramori7288]

For once Serie A is not the one in crisis, even if the stadiums are still shit

[@FootballDrawn]

History will remember David Ornstein, The Great❤❤❤

[@moumenrezaei1330]

I like your stuff dude. Gonna sub

[@thehylianloach9473]

Ornstein is great, but let's not forget Smough also!

[@FootballDrawn]

@@thehylianloach9473 indeed

[@ankitptwl4]

Oh

[@mauricecarvalho4122]

With the La Liga and Ligue 1 in a mess, more respect to the Serie A given how badly they were affected by the Match fixing scandal

[@johnmitchell2269]

Ligue 1 really will be a one club league next season. As will the Bundesliga. Shame. Serie A should be interesting though.

[@eacey]

Wow 400m down.

[@rhodigian]

Always has been. Except PSG, Ligue1 has to sell its best players regularly

[@zabluoc4549]

Good players make great team and great teams attract the public. Then you can have competition and Good TV deal.

[@philliportiz598]

I'm a PSG fan, but I honestly don't see Ligue 1 being around for so long unfortunately... PSG might even move leagues you never know right? PSG is stable in terms of Income other teams are not and Ligue 1 don't have the best tv rights either unfortunately...

[@nathan225]

Move leagues? That’s not how it works, PSG is a club in France. They can’t just change leagues and Ligue 1 isn’t going anywhere.

[@sleekzofficial3377]

@@nathan225 I imagine he means the owners pull out and invest in a team from another league

[@siboniso4420]

Gouri, Kamara and Chekri🔥

[@danjuhl5134]

Ligue 1 clubs always sell their best players, not much new there. Perhaps temporarily at a faster rate due to this TV deal thing, but basically nothing new.

[@nocturnallips]

Guys talk about the Belgian league, also what clubs would be a good buy now for a financial group or wealthy individual around Europe?

[@oj397]

Them holding in laughs and licking their lips to try and stop it silently made me chuckle uncontrollably.

[@willmurrill3572]

Two words, On Digital

[@Shaneafc1]

Renne will also be due compensation if Camavinga leaves on a free (under 23 years old)

[@DavidSmith-qf3sm]

About 5-10 million at the most. Hardly the 40 million they could sell him for with a year left on his contract. Nobody is paying more than that, unless it’s PSG. I made Barca broke on FM21 and they sold everyone, like in real life that would bring in money and not many went as also changed the rest of the clubs but city get 500 million in sponsorship even tho I took 400 out of there bank account.

[@stevenmacdonald9619]

I'm assuming the CFG will have to sell at least 51% of Troyes AC won't they? I didn't think you could control more than one club in the top flight on each continent?

[@Michaelkaydee]

Makes no sense for players like Pogba to join Ligue Un at this rate, still at the peak of his powers; would be a waste to go there just for some cash that he can still get at United and play on the biggest stage.

[@kudamanjonjo55]

Here just after the Messi transfer to see how he is going to turn Ligue 1 into profit

[@Ralien666TV]

No mention of Renato Sanches and Bruno Guimaraes, lack of depth guys!

[@arijit3110]

Correction, all Ligue 1 teams not named PSG.

[@nigl2807]

Were French players overpriced previously?

[@johnhodgson9296]

Whats next french / spanish league along the lines of holand / belgium ?

[@danielbowers8124]

The bubble is popping….

[@natureclips5849]

Yilmaz value after winning Ligue 1 £35m After Euro 2020 £25m

[@henrykwidini7071]

Good watch

[@StoutProper]

Because you can’t have Lille or any other side other than PSG winning the French title, platini and Qatar said so

[@bf3655]

Wdym

[@StoutProper]

@@bf3655 agricultural

[@yt.personal.identification]

Match day losses due to COVID is only 10% of revenue. Sure, it's not good to lose 10% but COVID getting wheeled out as the 1st factor for all these financial issues is misleading, and gives all this poor management an excuse. It down to incompetence...not COVID.

[@fernandoalvarez9613]

Yeah, it’s starting to make sense why Tigres beat out AC Milan and Marseille for signing Chauvin

[@papi55]

you mean Florian Thauvin >

[@fernandoalvarez9613]

@@papi55 Right, Thauvin not Chauvin

[@bobbobby2092]

Messi to PSG will change the popularity of Ligue 1 for sure.

[@moviesjean23]

THÉ ATHLETIC

[@grealish2234]

Football Is the worst business to be in if you wanna make a buck

[@philthornton1382]

So canal+ bought rights then wanted to redo it? My heart bleeds for them

[@manuelstaxx6859]

2021 and this guy is still talking about "Bayern pick off their rivals best players". Zero knowledge about the Bundesliga

[@Jack-ni4ft]

Camavinga is on Chelsea's radar too. I'm thinking if Chelsea sell either Kovacic or Jorginho ... Chelsea will go in for Camavinga

[@qhamaclaasen4049]

Why would they sell either of them?

[@commonsense2156]

Besides PSG every team in League 1 is a selling team much like all the teams in Erevedise.

[@squeezycakes]

i'll give you a bag of crisps for Romain Faivre

[@mustafaabdulsahib9317]

they should have sold the tv deal to psg and solved the problem

[@nf9563]

5:08 and this is the real problem with French soccer. The Premier league has ruined it with its rude and biased fans who think that the league is useless yet love how their teams have great players who have been bought from leagues like Ligue 1

[@MSordernature]

Baldy did a bad job explaining the issue.

[@zaf2643]

PSG is not complaining 😆

[@AA-hi6os]

Troyes should buy all these players from the French clubs and challenge PSG.

[@ayushapoorva]

Lille made tons of money selling player what happened to that?

[@nehemyah6986]

Meanwhile in Paris:💰💰💰

[@tariqleighton-lawrence7470]

Camavinga

[@claptonandchill4367]

Lille have made over 150mil in sales tho. How are they skint

[@DavidSmith-qf3sm]

Wages

[@gerlife7308]

Never a top five league miby used to be