Lilium vs Joby vs Archer 🚁 Which eVTOL Is Better? 🚁 Lilium Jet

[@FGain]

eVTOL Playlist kzbin.info/aero/PLHfrGGnUZnJ272uueXK5_hRngmKcbx5wz Select eVTOL videos: 🚁 Lilium vs Joby - Which eVTOL Is Quieter? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaPTq5qtediXhas 🚁 Ultimate eVTOL Comparison: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5OsimScZZqCqLs 🚁 Lilium vs Joby vs Archer | Which eVTOL Is Better kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYjbkHiXZ9hqq9U 🚁 Vertical Aerospace vs Lilium, Joby & Archer. Which Is Better? kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6q8np-rrqdjpLc 🚁 Joby Aviation (JOBY) vs. Archer (ACHR) kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5yllpZ4aNFmoNE 🚁 Lilium - What to Expect After Business Combination? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqXNXp9veNpkZtU 🚁 Lilium Capital Markets Day - Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3Ldgn1ohN-Cbqs 🚁 Lilium’s Inaugural Analyst Day Webcast kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqeviXaCmL6smJI 🚁 Lilium 7-Seater Cabin Unveil. Evolution of Lilium Jets kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmTIiqycjdOfacU 🚁 Joby - Things To Know Before Merger Day kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqvCnGppjNaih6c 🚁 Joby Longest eVTOL Flight 154.6 Miles In 1 Hour 17 Minutes kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2m0nqttYs58o7s 🚁 Joby Aviation Analyst Day June 2021 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHqcaYCZqdh9fMU 🚁 Joby Aviation Company Overview kzbin.info/www/bejne/eavUq2p8YsiWfpo 🚁 EHang Earnings Call Q1/Q2 2021 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3bHnmOaiN9qaLc 🚁 EHang (EH216) Completes First Trial Flight Over South China Sea kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZW9g2OYd6lgra8 🚁 Archer Aviation Unveil Event Highlights kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3jJamuOibimrJY 🚁 VoloConnect by Volocopter - Extended Urban Transport kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYS9ooyZd9iMkNU 🚁 Electric Flying Racing Car Airspeeder MK3 EXA Series kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH7Ve4KYl9dkrrM 🚁 VoloCity Air Taxi Design by Volocopter kzbin.info/www/bejne/a528ZYWPnMedmNk 🚁 Volocopter Autonomous Urban Air Taxi Test Flight kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4K3qZtqa5d0mZI 🚁 Vahana & CityAirbus Airbus’ eVTOL kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaKYmZ2fg9efrdk

[@triplec8375]

With the currently depressed prices for all evtol companies, I'm jumping in with Lilium. At around 3 bucks a share, now's the time. Cathie Wood's buying all the brands, but I'm going with the technological leader and hoping they can partner with a company that can aggressively promote the brand and book orders.

[@xevious2501]

Lilium differs from the rest in almost every way. Its the only Vtol aircraft of its type. The only one that doesnt see the use of exposed rotors. Ironically with 36 ducted fans its the aircraft with the most engines , which vastly increases its redundacy. but in terms of flight controls the lilium jet is the simplest , with the the least moving parts for navigational control. As its very propulsion also serve as control surfaces as well as additional lift. with only one vector of motion for its 4 moving parts. Far less complicated than its competition, some of which require many separate moving parts for each form of motion.

[@k12i]

Lilium has a slight advantage over the other two. 1) Hardware wise, Lilium has a much simpler design, the other two is just a giant drone with a similar design 2) Software wise, Lilium is data driven and supported by Palantir software. The end result? The Palantir software will create a digital twin of Lilium, runs thousands and thousands of simulation, and over time, this will improve Lilium dramatically before the other competitors realise.

[@FGain]

Lilium's design might be the best suited to urban air mobility due to its ducted fans. Thanks for watching!

[@FGain]

@@k12i I agree Kevin. Lilium does have a number of advantages over other eVTOLs. Thanks for watching!

[@FGain]

@@xevious2501 I certainly would not mind having one of these at my disposal, being able to avoid traffic and cut on commute time.

[@Ozbird-72]

It differs from all other the companies by not having completed a SINGLE manned flight as of today...

[@ruipedrooliveira4677]

Lilium design looks extremely promising. Joby might seem ahead for now for various reasons but it is way older than lilium

[@FGain]

It's too early to pick winners. I think both Lilium and Joby have great potential. Thanks for your comment!

[@rscott2247]

I take it depends on the application of the eVTOL environment. Is noise level the biggest factor to go by? If it is Joby is ahead in the game. Archer too if its sound is comparable ?

[@keithwalker6892]

As a retired Certification Engineer this is the best. Would, love to see them make a 2 seater.

[@Arturo-lapaz]

Are you kidding , this asks for an unrecoverable spin incident .Vertical stabilizer is always required . Read up on the primary cause of fatalities!

[@smokindauberdoo4208]

Thanks for SHARING my BROTHER

[@FGain]

You're welcome

[@DrinkingStar]

I invested in all but EHang over a year ago. I ranked Joby as #1 overall with Lilium as #2. However because Lilium was considerably cheaper, I have over 3 times as many shares of Lilium than Joby. Today, I was considering buying more Lilium and after seeing this video, I intend to buy some more. I look at investing like going to the casino and playing Blackjack. The more you know the better the chances of winning but that does not mean you will win. I don't need the money from my investments so gambling is fun at the Wall Street Casino especially since I am using the "House's Money"(dividends) with which to continue to gamble(buy more stock). I have won big with start-ups such as GEELY, and I hope to do so with EVTOLs. PS, I gave you a "thumbs Up".... I will be watching your other videos.

[@antonnym214]

Lilium would be great for ambulance and rescue also.

[@Ozbird-72]

The cabin is not suitable for this...

[@MrJesse1479]

​@user-yc7sg7xj4f you don't know the fire service lol

[@vaughnbay]

Lovin" those spacs....LILM just earned a 3 handle today!!!

[@IsaaxTeddy]

i would say joby will get the heads up, but eventually lilium jet will win, since they are going to roll out 7 seater and even 16 seater in the future, which will make the fare per person go down (cheaper fare) but we have to look at tesla.... if if tesla decided to join in the fray, (they are planning a 50 seater version) then it would further complicate the competition. lilium's biggest advantage so far is the layout, by altering the layout you can turn it into any configuration, the space is much better and bigger than its propeller driven counterpart. archer..... well might as well you focus on the private sport airplane business, 2 seater ain't gonna be useful or profitable. the real game changer is when you can have a plane that can seat 7 people but can land ANYWHERE and not being confined to designated airport.

[@tennisisphysical]

Holding shares of ACHR and JOBY since early March 2022. I think I got in at the low

[@rainerbuechse6923]

Lilium design is superior. Elon Musk loves it. I go for Lilium.

[@FGain]

Can you provide a source where Elon talks about Lilium?

[@WheelsInTheSky]

It would be nice if they built a 3-5 seater for the general public.

[@FGain]

I'm pretty sure they are doing just that. Thanks for watching!

[@BasedInBrazil]

I first thought that's what they meant by B2C.

[@nannana777]

waht a great video! thanks!

[@FGain]

Happy to hear that. Thank you for watching and welcome to my channel. Check out my eVTOL playlist. It's good stuff 🙂 kzbin.info/aero/PLHfrGGnUZnJ272uueXK5_hRngmKcbx5wz

[@bhobb8972]

it looks like this video is a promotional for lilium. first lilium is noisier than joby because it uses smaller ducted fan so it sounds like multiple vacuum cleaner. while joby uses 6 propelller with 5 blade each so it rotates much slower and has more pleasant sound and its more efficient compared to smaller multiple fan.

[@hasanchoudhury5401]

JOBY long electric future.

[@FGain]

I agree Hasan. Joby is likely to do very well in this new air mobility economy. Thanks for watching!

[@darrinsiberia]

Joby has the customer base through Uber which is AUTOMATIC CASH FLOW. It's no contest. Lilium is Fiat. Joby is Toyota.

[@chesstictacs3107]

Joby’s design is ugly as f*ck

[@k12i]

Customer base means nothing for now, so whoever has the most efficient design wins. Period. I am sure Uber will jump ship when that happens.

[@robertrowland9334]

@@chesstictacs3107 maybe, but it actually works.

[@chesstictacs3107]

@@robertrowland9334 I am sure but don't underestimate the power of design...

[@FGain]

I think the market will be big enough to accommodate multiple eVTOL companies. I have no doubt that both Joby and Lilium will be one of the leaders in the urban air mobility sector. Thanks for watching, Darrin!

[@mehmetalidogan4193]

Yes

[@mehmetalidogan4193]

Antakya.hatay.turkei.

[@mehmetalidogan4193]

Selamlar

[@inglam]

Fantastic content! Is there a channel/event/groupchat we passionate eVTOL believer and investors can join and discuss the future?

[@FGain]

The comment section is a great place for discussion 🙂. I had a subreddit dedicated to eVTOLs, but it was terminated because I posted too many links to my KZbin channel. Perhaps I should start another subreddit?

[@inglam]

@@FGain Starting another channel sounds good. Or we can instead set up a clubhouse group or reddit channel?

[@FGain]

Yes, that's what I meant. Start a subreddit. I'll let you know once I set it up.

[@inglam]

@@FGain sounds good man! No rush.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

Lilium's design with dozens of tiny ducted fans seems a poor choice for use in populated areas to be honest, smaller propellers are less efficient than larger ones, they also need to rev higher to produce comparable thrust, which means noise level will be higher frequency, and thus percieved as more unpleasant to human beings. Fans this many and this small will sound like a swarm of screaming banshees, particularly on landing and takeoff, and especially with a fully loaded aircraft - which is incidentally also when the fans are turned towards the ground, meaning sound from the those howling tiny props will wash directly over people below the plane. Not cool if the aircraft lands and takes off from within a city itself! So I would be cautious about that "5x lower" sound level claim - high frequency noise may attenuate faster than lower frequencies (which is likely how they creatively ended up with that "5x lower" estimation), but it will be far more unpleasant to listen to than the sound from large, slow-spinning props. Compare the nest-of-angry-hornets buzzing sound of a typical remote-controlled drone to the hum of a standard table fan, if you like. ;) So I would not want a bunch of Liliums flying around above my city, not the seven-seater and certainly not any future sixteen seater version either - and not just because of the occasional aircraft falling out of the sky and flattening whatever ends up below it, kids for example - but primarily for the noise. Other VTOL makers with their much larger props may be noisier in absolute terms, maybe (like I said, beware manufacturer's own numbers), but the sound profile is liable to be much less intrusive. By the way - ducted fans are indeed the prevalent form of propulsion these days, but not because they're inherently better - ducted fans are heavier and less efficient than free-spinning props. The ducts are necessary in case the engine throws part of or a whole fanblade, to contain any shrapnel so it does not shred the aircraft fuselage, damage sensitive systems, and potentially injure or kill any human beings within its path. That Lilium's fans are ducted suggests their RPM is extremely high (to the point where an uncontained fan failure might be dangerous), and noise - at least locally - will be quite unpleasant. Overall I have a hard time seeing these craft as anything but yet another unnecessary rich man's toy, the resources of their design and construction better spent on say, more public transport for the average person instead.

[@FGain]

You may be right. This video shows the sound profile of Lilium jet upon landing kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZO3iZSpg5qCr7s. It sounds like a bunch of vacuum cleaners running. Not the most pleasant sound. I find Joby jet's sound profile to be more pleasant. Lilium stated that they will add acoustic liners to further improve the sound levels for the serial aircraft. Not sure if these would be enough to dampen the sound.

[@tomgray971]

"Fans this many and this small will sound like a swarm of screaming banshees...." Nice simile, but also ridiculous hyperbole. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bneuaGyEaLmKe7M Sounds to me more like a strong wind in a forest, or the sound of a distant highway. I live under a flight path and I'd sooner hear the Lilium than the damn 747s going over. If it were as bad as you make out (what competing company do you work for BTW?), they wouldn't have been able to attract all the strategic partnerships and investors they have.

[@t.6087]

Until they won't put significant weight in this things, lift off and fly 200km I don't believe in any of these. I think they are completely depending on battery development with significant better energy density than what we have now. Of 100 companies 90 will co bankrupt and how big the market really will be at the end no one can tell. So it's a big gamble, but still interesting.

[@FGain]

Healthy scepticism is important. You raise very good points. I do agree there will be consolidation in this space and many startups will go under. The industry is still in early stages if development. It would take a number of years until this technology becomes operational and many more years until it becomes profitable. Battery density is a major hurdle.

[@sing_tsang]

good info

[@FGain]

Thanks for watching, Chiusing!

[@someoneelse7629]

In the 50's, Popular Mechanic had a "Flying Car" almost every year, and they were always "just a few years away" That's 70 years and going... I belive it when I see it, and not as a prototype flying empty, but as a fleet, flying daily with real passangers. I know there is a chinese large scale drone flying passengers, but it's still a long way to go.

[@FGain]

Take a look at Joby. They have a working prototype with many hours of air time. They will be first to market imo

[@SchoologyGames]

@@FGain beta technologies already has dozens units sold with their alia aircraft. they are branching out at my small airport in ohio. ive seen the aircraft in person and it is very impressive. joby is also coming to my airport but they arent anywhere close to ready. the lift hexa is also here. ive seen that fly with my own eyes, unmanned of course. Beta has already gotten faa clearence to fly their aircraft from their base to another airport, and they did. theyve also done manned test flights with the ceo and founder being the lead test pilot. theyeve kept their head down so they arent as well known, but they are easily going to be first to market.

[@FGain]

@@SchoologyGames Thanks. I'll take a look at these two eVITOL companies. I'm guessing they are not publicly traded

[@SchoologyGames]

@@FGain beta has kept their heads down more so than others. But they are quite unique as they are a Vermont based company rather than most the others that are out of Silicon Valley. You’ll be impressed when you see who’s already backing them. They’ve been focusing more on cargo, medical supply transport and, military use before they go into the realm of passenger/taxi. They believe by going this route, they can get their aircraft approved for flight and get it to the market before any of the others. I do not believe they are publicly traded yet.

[@xevious2501]

The truth of the matter is that whats being created today was always possible from the standpoint of an idea in the past,, BUT!! not likely in the past due to expense and the need for technology to vastly improve. The past saw extreme expense to even develop a prototype. What differs today aside from general layout concepts is the materials used. Carbon fiber has been around for some time but it was extremely expensive. seeing use in the aviation industry and in big money sports like Formula one. As you know a few super high cost sports cars as well. but it was not something you average joe found himself using as a development material. at time even the use of Aluminum was crazy expensive. as such the prototype vtol aircraft made at the time were big bulky and very very heavy. And least we forget, none of them were electric. so weight even without occupants were extreme. the next issue was avionics. know of any lightweight computers in the 80's and 90's? Exactly!! none!. not for another 3 decades. So.. The concepts and ideas were their but the technologies were either not up to snuff to properly pull it off and or the expense was way too high. Same thing goes for many things that we see today going into mass production but had its roots as far back as the 1960's such as VR. The technology and costs must come down to consumer level and lower. some of the biggest innovations that has seen to what we have today are things like LCD tv. LCD's were once very very expensive. their largest application being the tiny displays in video cameras. but as the price came down and the manufacturing process easier so did it sales as televisions increase, prices came down quality went up to eventually we started finding DIY'er sticking monitors in automobiles. And eventually the game changer was the iphone. which led to even higher quality displays and display technologies. AMOLED. And when its price came down enough, your garage DIY'ers could afford to tear them apart and make cheap inexpensive home brew VR displays that otherwise wouldve cost'd thousands upon thousands of dollars. So the cost and technologies must catch up to the point it becomes a practical application. Do you realize the explosion of products that has come from lithium batteries. And what will come from Tesla next generation batteries? heres one... electric Vtol aircraft. All the things ive mentioned are now an evolution to which what was not practical in the past has now become practical to make it very easy to produce unlike decades past. Thats the difference, that what the delay was all about. waiting for the tech to catch up and the cost to come down. Look what we have today.. super cheap carbon fiber, super cheap lightweight super computers that are several major components all in one tablet size touch display. lightweight high capacity batteries. advanced lightweight avionics. and cad development and design to put it all together.

[@novaart6181]

Lilium is master piece. Jobby is a bit too complex. If need to improve lilium, I would consider make the wing span less, with small landing footprint, but still keep the lift capability. Is there a way to do so?

[@FGain]

I think if there was, they would have done that.

[@novaart6181]

@@FGain I think it is possible. Change the main wing to Triangle wing could significantly reduce wing span to half, and duplicate the front wing to be the third one on the top rear end at higher place maybe a bit look rear stabilizer of some commercial aircraft. Then it might compromise the clear look and complexity. you are partially right, not many way to do so. I just feel if there is a way to make this plane significantly narrower could give many more possibility of using this plane.

[@FGain]

@@novaart6181 I'm sure as technology matures new designs will be more energy efficient. Thanks for watching Chen!

[@Ozbird-72]

Lillium is non-flying idea, not a masterpiece as of yet

[@Barbale98]

I'm following these companies and I see a huge potential in this sector. But I'm sure that it will take years before there will be some incomes. So we have times to see what will change. Which company will develope the best product

[@FGain]

Exactly. IMO no need to rush in at this early stage

[@sk.n.9302]

At least 5 yrs. to start to be profitable = 3 yrs to be certified (2024), then if at this point they are allowed to fly, 2 yrs more to cover cost of jet (2026). But market might be pricing this in around 2025, so time to get a really good deal would be 2024.

[@frankyflowers]

fairy dust vs pixie dust vs magic beans

[@MrJewvicast]

could be grammar errors as a result of translating the deck from German to English

[@MrJewvicast]

great video btw

[@dylan-xh9zi]

What sources did you use to get the information on the table at the end? doing a research report for my job and it would be very helpful

[@FGain]

I got the info from investor presentations of the respective companies

[@BasedInBrazil]

Why isn't Lilium going the Hydrogen route refueling via something like MOTNF? What are the maintenance requirements on all those mini propellers vs 4-6 propellers?

[@markegg7680]

I don't think electric motors have maintenance (for their intended life). Hydrogen is seemingly horrid auto-technology b/c of the difficulty and size of storing liquid hydrogen -- you can look it up for autos, Toyota has tried it the most out of the auto players.

[@evandrodaolio]

Por via das duvidas tenho todas as açoes

[@Arturo-lapaz]

no passive yaw damper , a sure sign that a serious accident will happen.

[@tennisisphysical]

Wonder if it's passengers or by weight?

[@FGain]

Both. They have both weight limit and number of passengers limit.

[@paulcummings55]

This was not a well done analysis. Virtually the whole video was about Lilium, with only a few references to the Joby and Archer. How do you make a fair comparison without doing that? Also, Lilium will only have 50% more seating- so how does that justify 100% more revenue? That does not make sense, especially because you state how unreliable those figures are... then use them to show how much better Lilium's financials are? And only 50% more revenue will be hard to make up that 100% more cost in the aircraft. For Intercity transportation, which I don't think these are for, the extra two seats would make that 50% more revenue possible. But for a taxi service in and around a single city, I doubt they are going to fill all 6 passenger seats very often, if they stick to their Air Taxi On Demand type of model. For an On Demand Taxi Service, you might only see 2 to 3 passengers on average for all three companies. There may be other models to pursue, to change this dynamic- but you don't bring up any of them! sigh! I have spent more time on this video than it deserves already. Good luck on your next one, however.

[@FGain]

I think you misunderstood me. I never claimed that Lilium is any better than either Joby or Archer. In most my videos I say the following: 1) it is way too early to pick winners among eVTOL startups 2) financial projections are not reliable - there will be schedule delays and cost overruns 3) it is way too early to invest in eVTOLs 4) I am very bullish on eVTOLs in general, but not on any particular startup. I agree this video is not a very good eVTOL comparison. It is more of a review of Lilium. For better eVTOL comparison I suggest watching the following videos: Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5OsimScZZqCqLs Part 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3fYhniqaquNidk

[@vaughnbay]

So how ya likin' those Wall Street Spacs now Fgain? A lot of people coughed up a lot of money and a relative few got to keep it. Standard Wall Street bank shenanigans...

[@southpawslugger8819]

I like Lilium but they have no cash they can’t even cover the liabilities for the year the funding is a concern Joby has 1.3 billion in cash they can use plus they have bigger investors closer to faa certification and the most experience

[@johnfranks9271]

Still waiting 😂

[@McLivin410]

It's pronouced Joe Bee not Jobie

[@charlessterling8375]

They seam to have not moved forward in the last few years 😕

[@codetech5598]

I'm sure their bank accounts have grown nicely.

[@FGain]

I think they have made significant progress on the regulatory/certification side, getting their supply chain and mass manufacturing in order and securing financing to begin mass production. That is believe it or not is more challenging to achieve than building a single prototype. thanks for watching, Charles!

[@92252jd]

cavorite x5 beats these hand down.

[@vaughnbay]

So how is that Lilium Spac working out for you now there FGain. More Wall Street skimming. Weren't you the guy telling me how legit spacs were? ya, it was you.

[@matthiasweidmann8135]

Lilium is nonsense, maybe a nice remote controlled drone without passengers or cargo.....5min flight time and 5 miles range at the max! No flights happening and no details available , as EDF not suitable for anything. Highest energy consumption with 350 kw necessary for lift off and landing and in flight the low lift will make safe landing impossible when the propulsion messes up. With the battery installed for 15 min flight there is no possibility to lift or fly passengers or cargo- what a nightmare!

[@marcv2648]

Nice comparison. I predict all these companies will fail. Their product is too expensive and does not add enough value.

[@FGain]

That is certainly a possibility. One that I disagree with. Thanks for watching Marc!

[@dirtshredder8737]

Archer

[@FGain]

I really like that Archer cut their enterprise value. That was strategically smart thing to do in this market. Thanks for watching!