Test Flight September 28: Lilium Jet Demonstrates Maneuverability

Our tech demonstrator demonstrates handling qualities and maneuverability.
Flight details:
Flight Test Objective: Demonstration of Handling Qualities and maneuverability
Aircraft: Phoenix 2 Technology Demonstrator
Pilot: Remote
Location: ATLAS Flight Test Center, Spain
* Recording microphone distance 50m.

[@jannikweisser]

Congratulations on the progress to the whole team, this looks very smooth! Can’t wait to fly with one of these beautiful machines one day.

[@linrepboras]

Possibly when your cremated due to the payload restrictions, oh - dont expects it will last long but since you're - well, already dead - time is not important or?

[@claudevieaul1465]

​@@linrepboras You must be such a lot of fun at parties, I'm guessing.

[@linrepboras]

@@claudevieaul1465 Compaired to others I'm on top. How about facts and figures instead of dreams and visions? At the moment it looks like a EEC-funded hobby-project not leading to anything. My money - your hobby?

[@ian-fm2xc]

@@linrepboras The flying range of there aircraft would be good to know as well as the payload

[@evolicious]

This thing will never be legal to fly.

[@dfordrone4092]

Hope lilium sucsess

[@TeddyLeppard]

I'd like to see some tests performed in strong crosswinds.

[@Cloxxki]

Sure would be good to see, as in urban setting you can't just plot a flight path that suits you. I'd like to see a max capacity flight over longest reasonable distance in shortest reasonable time.

[@maybenotross5772]

Very good idea, never really thought about that.

[@livangooday]

Your so mean !

[@livangooday]

In Chicago’s winds

[@livangooday]

Sounds a lot maybe 120-130dBs ? 80-100dBs should be perfect…

[@nicevideomancanada]

I used to fly gliders as early as 10 years old. when I wasn't old enough to learn to fly I used to get to ride as a passenger in the tow plane. Once I had 7 flights in a row, the pilot was a Vietnam Veteran, this was in 1976 in North Carolina. We towed gliders up to 2,000 feet above the ground then to descend the tow pilot would put the tow plane into a stall then we would corkscrew two complete turns loosing 1,500 feet and land in less than 7 minutes from 2,000 feet. On the way down I was screaming in terror as the pilot was laughing. When we landed he asked how was that? That scared the hell out of me, he then asked if I wanted to go again for another flight, I replied YES PLEASE! I was 11 years old. Each time I screamed on the way down. Each time he asked me if I wanted to go again and each time my answer was Yes Please/Sure! I went 7 times in a row. That was the best Roller Coaster I have ever been on. I'm now 58. I hope I get to live long enough to ride in a Lillium Jet before I die, I just hope I don't die on impact. LOL My Brother eventually became an A380 Captain and still lives in Dubai.

[@nakfan]

Wow… thanks for sharing 👍 I’m 61 and like you I really hope Lilium succeeds… All the best, Per (Denmark)

[@rossnolan7283]

Been flying sailplanes for 55 years starting at 12 -- can you imagine this thing pulling G or manouvering anything like that tug ? How 'thrilling' would it be to lethargically wander around doing flat skidding turns while screaming fans howl away (over 3000 horsepower....) and hoping that they keep doing so lest you drop like a stone ? One "test of manhood' at one club was to crawl into the empty hopper space (no outside view) behind the engine and 'experience' a tow and semi aerobatic let down -- I did it but once was enough (Callair tugplane ) the noise and disorientation was memorable.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Just make sure it's not your last flight. This thing is a death trap. No control surfaces, no parachute, unconventional aerodynamics, one main power failure and it's over.

[@rs-spirit]

Thats very nice to see your progress. I press my thumbs that you bring this project into a success story. I am convinced that the Lilium Jet is the most progressive and interesting technology of all the developments I have seen until now.

[@patrowan7206]

One step at a time -- beautiful work!

[@XPLAlN]

After all this time you still cannot get this rc model (because that is what you have there) to perform a spot turn or even ground taxi. And yet you continue with the absurd claim that this is going to be certified and in service in 2 years time. Your claims are simply not credible.

[@ScrabbleMUC]

I'm always happy when I see Lilium flying. Can't wait for the first series to be built. There is a future here.

[@avigator]

All we see is a drone, no pilot, payload or passengers.

[@MrSiciro]

@@avigator You need to stop looking with your eyes. Look with your vision

[@ALC656]

@@MrSiciro no vision here. I would never bet on a company who their design was inspired by a manta ray. LOL Also, one of the earlier concept that they debut had a retracting canards with the main wing waaay in the AFT of the fuselage, which goes to show how little they know about about aircraft stability and control. Let alone this prototype is already aerodynamically unbalanced. red flags everywhere

[@cloudstreets1396]

The project is DOA

[@codetech5598]

I've been watching Lilium for many years, and I've never seen anything other than a model fly.

[@chorianopoulos2002]

Beautiful, congratulations!

[@tonydique4554]

Amazing guys, congratulations 🎉

[@TheArrowheadVenom]

Woah that's really cool. The Lilium jet seems a lot more plausible than these quadcopters that could chop people's heads off and have no redundancy. With tons of tiny engines on the Lilium, if one or two die, it can still fly. Not to mention I assume it can glide somewhat, even with a total loss of engine power?

[@williamzk9083]

The production versions will be able to land on a runway if there is not enough battery reserve for VTOL so yes it can glide but will need a small amount of power for control. In many cases Lilium will takeoff and land near a runway I think there will also be a ballistics recovery parachute as an ultimate fall back.

[@nobodysonofpeleus3421]

@@williamzk9083 thats some very cool information.

[@georgewashington1621]

@@williamzk9083 i think at the insane forward speed that will be needed to keep it from stalling it will be controllable by just deflecting the motor gondolas even without any thrust produced by the motors. So it would probably have to maintain and land at crazy speeds in case of total propulsion failure. But i dont see the need for such reserve mode, in my opinion a ballistic parachute will provide enough redundancy. I love this technology and wish all the best to Lilium!

[@williamzk9083]

@@georgewashington1621 the electric Jets will provide not only a small amount of lift, but boundary layer suction will provide lamina flow control that will double the coefficient of lift. A small amount of electrical power is needed to operate the electro hydraulic actuators as well as the jets, but it will be a lot less than VTOL. Obviously there are multiple safety features. If you can’t land vertically, you can land on a runway, and if you can’t land on a runway, you can use the parachute, which will be rough, but survived. Conventional aircaft have worse problem not just Lillium jet. If there is a ballistics parachute, it would be possible to get quite a gentle landing, by using the jets for a few seconds before ground contact. As far as I can see Lilium jet will be safer than a conventional aircraft or helicopter. I’m not sure what’s going on with ballistics parachute development at Lillium. All I know is they exist to light aircraft.

[@JH-jo9wt]

@@georgewashington1621 Lilium has a 14.8:1 glide ratio the emergency runway could be very very short and you'll be fine. A cessna 172 has a 9:1 glide ratio A parachute is like 3:1 Lilium is 14.8:1

[@juliengartside3344]

It’s a beautiful piece of technology. Keeping my fingers crossed that the full scale aircraft has the range and speed - but particularly the range - that has been claimed 👍

[@craigrobinson1234567]

It'll most likely go further with the rate battery tech is progressing

[@robertvandeveer1846]

@@craigrobinson1234567you just hit it on the head concerning Lilium specifically and battery powered flight as an industry. Battery materials science is in its infancy. Almost all the advancements will first benefit EVs, but their rate of improvement is going to benefit all industries relying on smaller, lighter, more energy dense batteries. I have a feeling when this aircraft finally goes to market it will already have better range than what they currently state.

[@avigator]

It will not. Because the necessary batteries don’t exist today and will not be available at least for the next couple of years.

[@avigator]

@@Willmwood Did you hear the Lilium Jet first hand? Where? In Germany or in Spain?

[@livangooday]

Batteries already surpassed 320Wh/Kg The tech it’s a bit expensive to produce at scale so far

[@research1747]

Beautiful !😊

[@CyberSQUID9000]

Good to see it flying again.

[@TrevorHeathPhotography]

Bravo! This is a fantastic aircraft and I look forward to it being put into production. Congratulations! 👍👍👌👌

[@mikemiller5545]

Congratulations & keep up the good work!

[@iglesiabautistashalomguate2878]

Congrats Guys!!!!!

[@jungleworld11]

Perfect ! Congratulations !!!!

[@paulkerman8906]

You guys are playing one age ahead on the tech tree. Amazing work. Seeing laminar flow across the main wing even while on the ground is pretty sick.

[@KlingbergWingMkII]

You can't see laminar flow with the naked eye. What you are seeing is Attached flow via the telltales.

[@paulkerman8906]

@@KlingbergWingMkII 😝

[@TheUprightLuthier-1959]

I saw a nightmare. Not authoritative at all. They should re-name it Wibbly Wobbly.

[@redeyedmongoose2963]

@@TheUprightLuthier-1959 I must’ve seen a different video

[@timn4481]

70 years behind actually. and obnoxiously sticking to it.

[@AB-fh3zc]

Amazing!

[@AlongtheRiverLife]

Love this!

[@Guide504]

Excellent progress guys!

[@MrHichammohsen1]

Amazing work! Congratulations on a successful test.

[@alexblack4470]

Perfect!!! 👏

[@davebayliss2278]

Congrats on a superbly stable impressive machine....

[@uladzimirsokalau4717]

What a beautiful plane...great idea, hard job, nice shape. Bravo👋

[@sony5244]

What a Beautiful piece of engineering.

[@merkur99]

This Technologie will bring a Revolution in Mobility - thats great 👍

[@thedronedownunder3919]

Fascinating. Well done ❤

[@sunjamrblues]

Very cool! Beautiful to behold.

[@claudevieaul1465]

Looks spectacular!!! 😎👍 Handling, takeoff and landing seem very smooth indeed... Congratulations, all 🙏🙏

[@chriso847]

My favorite EVTAL aircraft. Keep up the good work.

[@inyobill]

It looks like the aircraft flies with the canard in stall?

[@glynluff2595]

Interesting to se difference of airflow over canard and main wing. Quite noisy for proposed city operation but could be microphone positioning. An interesting project.

[@dwaynewilliams6334]

Awesome!!!!

[@nickrich56]

Awesome stuff!✈️👍🏻

[@sageoz9886]

Such an amazing design!

[@ahmetmehmet9686]

I am surprised that they were hiding out the scale of this aircraft and they were tend to shift its look via camera angles etc. Now they admit that they are using scaled model... Great improvement.

[@johankroes19]

Amazing!!👍👍

[@BSI_Inc.]

Always great to see progress with the jet. I hope Lilium can make it to commercialization with a quality product in record time

[@user-ou6oh8wr9j]

thats amazing!!

[@paulhowes5094]

that's the coolest thing I've seen in a while. that's for sure!!!!

[@2150dalek]

Beautiful and stable.

[@PaulNurse1]

So graceful

[@TeddyLeppard]

As an investor, I'd like to know when the testing stops and the commercial sales and flights begin.

[@c-qc-q2021]

Methinks if you're an investor, there are better ways to access internal company information than KZbin comments! 😉

[@jassonsw]

They need to build a full size one first. This is just a model.

[@blip_bloop]

@@c-qc-q2021 Not only that an investor would hopefully understand the risks, and regulatory landscape of the business they are investing in. Certifying a passenger aircraft in multiple markets is an endeavor.

[@weaponmann]

​@@c-qc-q2021such as?

[@unclewerner]

Aren't they still in the conceptual phase?! AFAIK testing of real vehicles (with any meaningful payload) is not expected to be STARTED next year.

[@georgeturner2374]

The problem is that lithium ion batteries have a lower specific energy than cow dung, so no matter how good the control and aerodynamic are, it's not going to significantly outperform the speed and range than a WW-I fighter plane, as it runs on such a low performing power source.

[@worekarolis]

Why would you need that? The whole point of it that it runs on electricity. Cheap and clean, reliable source of energy. By the time these will be flying there will be new battery chemistries that will outperform lithium ion, all you need to do is swap the battery packs.

[@tiutran2610]

At curtain state of battery density technology these are mainly use for city/urban transportation or from city to city. Speed is good as cruise for helicopter but quieter so why not? It was not meant to replace plane or jet anytime soon but rather helicopter as it can use their landing pad.

[@lqr824]

Interesting comparison but there's the question of over what time period that energy can be extracted. With li it can be fast. Even if we say cow dung doesn't need weightier or bulkier equipment to extract its energy, your comparison would cap SOME performance metrics, such as payload * range, but perhaps not others such as airspeed for a short period.

[@lqr824]

@@falafalman to see which direction the airflow is going and how stable it is.

[@mrheck5311]

Indeed they would be better off having smaller (half) batteries but a generator constantly feeding the batteries. That would make more sense imo.

[@RaptorJesus.]

thats really cool! and being a VTOL opens up a lot of possibilities!

[@peteregan3862]

I like the eSTOl approach of Electra Aero although their first aircraft is a hybrid with an 800 kW turboshaft engine driving two 300 kW generators with power 8 generators and fan sets. Normal certification rules apply

[@sarang1289]

Congratulations for team.

[@thimHH]

Would like to know how much of the battery charge is used for this 3,5 min flight.

[@user-np7dn1ce7j]

they aren't doing such short flights for fun

[@TheBagOfHolding]

All of it but this might not even have been one continuous flight. They edited it.

[@swampcastle8142]

Excellent

[@nixxonnor]

It looks awesome in the air. Was the first left turn not quite coordinated? I guess you have to compensate for not having a vertical stabilizer to coordinate the turns at low speed?

[@smahmoud]

Congratulations.

[@lucianocecinini8988]

Very Good !!

[@veritylove212]

So freakin' cool!!! 💜

[@christoroppolo8742]

Thanks for the heads up👽

[@JSDudeca]

Bravo 🎉

[@r0cketplumber]

Even when at higher speed wingborne there is a hell of a lot of flow separation on the canard's moving surfaces.

[@mjproebstle]

C’est Magnifique!!!

[@garymcfadden2797]

Plus où moins. Touchons du bois 😊

[@ryank10909]

So amazing to see the jet in motion, hear the propulsion systems in the background, and listen to the communication of the team is amazing. I can’t wait to see you guys in Orlando at Lake Nona and Florida will be grateful for this beautiful innovative jet.

[@woolymittens]

Its NOT a jet 🤣🤣 ..at most its a ducted fan propulsion.

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

The Floria people may be happy but if the company dares to exercise their first amendment right the tinpot dictator will not be happy.

[@Telephonebill51]

@@woolymittens Thanks, I was wondering. "Propulsion systems". Some simple minded people...

[@bernhardzunk7402]

@@woolymittens You are right only in so much as it is not a turbojet or turbofan we used the abbreviation jet for these because they are a type of jet. A jet comes out of a hose of water and there is a high altitude wind across a narrow fron called a Jetstream. You can call it an EDF "Electric Ducted Fan" which model aircraft enthusiasts use but Lilium want to call it an electric jet which it is because of the air jet. I'll accept the term.

[@LTVoyager]

Seems somewhat loud. Will noise be a problem in urban areas?

[@jamesneilsongrahamloveinth1301]

Nice to see a serious demo with no background music and real-time ground-control voice-over. Jet engines can be pretty noisy, though - that may be a consideration within cities . . .

[@reasonitout9087]

Question: what is the "engine-out" glide ratio?

[@jerichom11x]

No

[@MechmanGetrieb]

Always happy to see more from this Projekt.

[@MarcWeertsMusic]

Spectacular! I also love the careful, thoughtful approach to innovation.

[@ddavideo]

Amazing. Lilium defies physics which made a design that created so much drag (as shown by the attached strings on its front wings), hence turbulance [to the rear wings], to be feasible. Congratulations.

[@flamehairdisaster1]

Hence the testing of a prototype scale model. Would you not agree that improvements can be made by testing, before approval? Or are you purposefully trolling this project with poor logic and crass comments? This is the future!

[@weaselworm8681]

Fascinating. No idea why this ended up in my feed but I watched it.

[@shararham81ify]

My favorite thing about this VTOL is that it does not have exposed propellers that can be very dangerous.

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

wait until this toy ingests a few birds

[@luisrodrigorodrigo7235]

​@@user-lh4yg6hj7i😂

[@jonpetter8921]

@@user-lh4yg6hj7i You really think Lilium didn t think about that ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJSYemCLr5yXq6M.

[@mrheck5311]

​@@user-lh4yg6hj7i it would need a lot of birds to bring that down with all its propellers

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

@@mrheck5311 It is part of certification dummy.

[@tbsaud]

The noise, how would you overcome it ? This is a small model,the large one will be ten times more noisier.

[@AlexanderStraub1]

Absolutely stunning love it!! But guys remove the ads from Your KZbin account for such important news and announcements

[@TheBagOfHolding]

They need money.

[@typxxilps]

my biggest issue are the constant delays and changes, the 2023 idea was again replaced now with a 2025 version as seen before. Key questions of researchers have not been really answered and the whole delays are a simple factor that make the predicted ranges far easier due to new battery technologie. I doubt that the flighttime and range will be achieved. terrible long way and meanwhile during the olympics we might see first flights from the competition I bet.

[@MM-cy4fd]

Probably we see the Volocopter during Olympia.

[@Fry3199]

Fake it til you make it. There are no batteries with needed power and energy density in the next years. Energy density is the biggest problem, VTOL takes too much current. The batteries available will not make the needed cycles.

[@joemendyk9994]

Folks that rush things are more likely to injure or kill innocent people.....

[@luisrodrigorodrigo7235]

Será adiantado novamente, não basta o produto estar pronto, é preciso certificar, e a lilium não tem experiência com isso.

[@akgunduz1]

Brilliant

[@KG5RK]

Looks VERY stable.👍

[@MrSCOTTtheSCOT]

Wow that touch down was softer than me parking my butt on the sofa. , really impressive craft , wishing you success for future scale ups. Nice to watch.

[@chrisdebeyer1108]

Congratulations ! Beautiful concept and development. Wonderful flying machine! Bravo !!

[@tariemo3534]

Lets gooo 🎉 Please one more Video but uncut .

[@meetsamuelbelay9363]

Noice seem to be very strong, that’s compared to Joby. I hope the final product can be a lot quieter

[@justin-tyme]

I can't wait to buy one of these!

[@starwaves6024]

Really like this EVTOL, but it won't amount to anything if the business operations don't get in line. Cash burn is too high. 600+ employees is too much pre-production. Would like to see a partnership and major capital infusion from a major aerospace player so management can focus on certification and production instead a constantly chasing money. But, the craft is revolutionary. Hopefully they can pull it off.

[@martingarrish4082]

The real crunch is that if a 5 seater is selling for $7M and has a design life of 10'000 hours then that is $700/hr just for aircraft depreciation. Or at 150mph that is $4.67 per mile, and probably double that in real world. Even split 4 ways that is outside of the budget of the average commuter. All assuming the range and failsafe performance is there.

[@mkvv5687]

@@martingarrish4082 With 5 passengers, that's about a buck a person per mile. Gonna need a can on the dashboard labeled "Cash, grass or ass" to keep that thing going.

[@stephengrimmer35]

@@martingarrish4082 can buy two EC130s for that.

[@Davidcallard]

It's clever but is it viable? What % of the gross weight do the batteries take up? What is the operating range and cost p-km? What does it cost to stand idle and empty, and what are the regular servicing costs? I still have the impression that this aircraft has solved the problem of getting the batteries airborne but how much more might it carry

[@starwaves6024]

@Davidcallard I agree. They know the answers to these questions. I understand the desire to want to remain stealthy on some of these issues. But if they want investors, they need to open up the book a little. I suspect they are having difficulty, but I believe the problems can be solved if they don't run out of money.

[@GREENHHOGUY]

Incredible, beautiful aircraft!! keep up the awesome work, guys .... you will not regret it/ we love your brains LOL

[@user-rm4mk6fr4i]

When will you stop showing only that? I ve seen stable flight years ago. Please manage the stock price.

[@Jet-Pack]

Awesome! Looks so sleek in the air

[@AaronHahnStudios]

There's No smoke & obvious pollution pouring out the back, makes a nice change. One would have to welcome this technology.

[@dpie4859]

Impressed

[@brandonb9239]

well done Lilium. It is a pleasure to follow along with your amazing progress. Bravo/brava!

[@avigator]

So, where’s Lilium’s playground on the payload range diagram?

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

Love it 👏👏

[@stemtostern7611]

Amazing!! Spreading the Jets out to keep from Burning a hole in the landing zone where it would blow chunks of asphalt off the runway using the Regular one Jet system.. ;-)

[@printer1105]

Very nice jet. Brilliant

[@verslalchimie5824]

Good job. Anything that reduces noise, and greenhouse gases, of flying aircraft is a great accomplishment.

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

are you deaf?

[@terrypold]

Marvelous demonstration. But the real questions are: payload; duration; recharge time; and price point. This is a step in the right direction.

[@lodgecav490]

I imagine noise is going to be as much of a concern as range, good luck though.

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

imagine when its full scale/weight

[@userbosco]

Love these videos! Curious, how much redundancy is built into each wing? N+???

[@davedevonlad7402]

I agree, I have big issues with that.

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

What happened to 60 Decibels ? LOUD AF

[@harpomarx7777]

Impressive~!!

[@brianjacobs1421]

Great work team. Well done !!

[@crackin2000]

Wonderful.

[@grahamhouston4182]

I have a potential use case in London and have been following for years. I would like to see a flight demo in an urban environment

[@NeilStainton]

As they said in the intro, this is not a real aeroplane it is just a scale model. And they are very limited as to whether they can fly it, only below 350 feet and not above any inhabited area. so a the flight test around London is many years away.

[@switchmuso]

I'd be interested to know how much battery was left at the end.... I have an uneasy feeling that maybe it's not a lot?...

[@user-lh4yg6hj7i]

Doubt they are doing 5 minute flights by choice. Battery and likely heat

[@medennis3467]

Congrats to everyone on the Lilium team!

[@jamesjackman5345]

Can the unit glide and land after a power failure of some sort?