Star Wars Needs to Let the Dark Side Be More Interesting | Glass of Water

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[@morisan_mabi]

So, Yin and Yang, you mention that the dark side isn't Yang... WELL DUH! Yang is supposed to represent sunlight, masculine energies... IE what is seen as the white side of the Yin amd Yang symbol. Also, agree that what you meant with Yin not being dark side as well, as it's suppose to be moonlight, feminine energies. I do know that there's more when it deals with Yin and Yang meanings... OH AND THE DARK SPOT IN THE YANG AND LIGHT SPOT IN THE YIN IS SPITTING RIGHT IN THAT COMPARISON AS IT SAYS YOU CAN'T BE YANG WITHOUT A LITTLE YIN!

[@Lily_Orchard]

Ooh thanks for the correction, that's really interesting.

[@jordanespinosa2508]

@@Lily_Orchard Years ago a Sociology professor explained a part of Daoism and Yin/Yang with this story: "It also represents that something good might have the seeds for something bad and something bad might yet yield the seeds of something good; it is important for the Daoist to not separate out good and bad events into separate categories, but to recognize it is a whole of life. Take the parable of the Taoist Farmer: 'There was once a farmer in ancient China who owned a horse. “You are so lucky!” his neighbors told him, “to have a horse to pull the cart for you.” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. One day he didn’t latch the gate properly and the horse ran away. “Oh no! That's terrible news!” his neighbors cried. “Such bad luck!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. A few days later the horse returned, bringing with it six wild horses. “How fantastic! You are so lucky,” his neighbors said. “Maybe,” the farmer replied. The following week the farmer’s son was breaking-in one of the wild horses when it threw him to the ground, breaking his leg. “Oh no!” the neighbors cried. “Such bad luck, all over again!” “Maybe,” the farmer replied. The next day soldiers came and took away all the young men to fight in the army. The farmer’s son was left behind. “You're so lucky!” his neighbors cried. “Maybe,” the farmer replied.' The farmer does not and cannot know how things will play out and will detach themselves in order to look to see how they can move forward/turn it to their advantage by keeping their mind open."

[@greenghoul157]

I see some analogy with the flaws of the Jedi and western religions like Christianity being the most obvious, seeing themselves as being good and pure and serving the light to the point where anything with dark side connotations, even desire and attachment is forbidden, creating secrecy in the order which could sooner lead one to the dark side if they feel they have no one to confide in, in the real world leading one to rejecting faith and taking an interest in the left hand path, the only difference being in the world of Star Wars the power of the Sith corrupts

[@galten7361]

@Yong Wen Lucas and others working on Star Wars just inserted bits from East Asia's theologies and philosophies and occultism. The Dark Side in many of their depictions is pretty much portrayed as demonic supervillains with corpse colored skin and doing stuff like necromancy. Many of the ones working on Star Wars are Westerners who even if trying to use non-Western teaching still needs to frame them though a Western lens. It's what Avatar's sequel with Korra did where the yin spirit was a cackling demon lord associated with darkness trying to make the whole world ruled by him with his forces backing him.

[@ThePiachu]

Dead carcass feeding the foliage? Reminds me of the Kreia quote - "So, you will do nothing? Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.". Very apt!

[@HawkoftheNorth]

Apathy is death.

[@Lily_Orchard]

That's because it IS the Kreia quote

[@divadnairbgilbert1087]

"To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it. It is something no Sith or Jedi has ever truly learned."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

"Ah, but at what point does the power the Force exerts submerge any attempt at choice, or free will?"

[@davidschulberg8584]

You know, this makes me think about how a bunch of Sith go with the whole "Go ahead and kill me/defeat me. Then you'll be just like me and take my place! Mwahahahaha" gambit. I've always wanted to see the protagonist actually call them out on that bluff and kill them. Seems like it would stop a lot of future conflicts

[@niccoloparker3548]

I always hate that trope. As a kid who knew no better younger than 10 that even if someone bullies you, you should not be mean or defeat them or you would be no better than them. Honestly its such a terrible message to tell kids not applicable to real life at all.

[@redjirachi1]

This always felt like reverse psychology, a real life dark side move

[@almond3066]

It's been a long time since I watched the prequels, but wasn't mace windu like, SUPER close to doing that to palpatine until Anakin killed him?

[@ride-playerbb2818]

Anakin Skywalker: I approb Seriously though, even before killing Palpatine, if you think about it, Anakin has killed a lot of people during the Clone Wars, and it's telling how little they factor in him turning to the Dark Side, only showing how terrifiying he would have been -if- when he does

[@Sigma-xb6kn]

I mean, the ideas of the ruling class are always dominant. And what would be more beneficial to the oppressors than harming the bad guys will make you worse than them? It is an ideal tool to defang the people fighting against oppression as it spreads through the collective unconscious by itself. See criticims of any progressive political group: Black Panthers, feminists, socialists,...

[@aBeerFromHere7994]

The force is like a knife, a tool. You can do good and evil with it. You can make sandwiches with it or kill people. Because you make sandwiches all the time does not mean that you cannot kill someone and vice versa. But it is "too complex" for an audience that wants a clear yes or no answer.

[@Quinntus79]

To paraphrase Isaac from Castlevania. A hammer is a tool. It can be used to build a house or crack a skull. What it does is entirely dependent on how I wield it.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

"It (the Force) is like a cloud, a mist that drifts from living creature to creature, set in motion by currents and eddies. It is the eye of the storm, the passions of all living things turned into energy, into a chorus. It is the rising swell at the end of life, the promise of new territories and new blood, the call of new mysteries in the dark." "The Force is a powerful thing to wield... or deny."

[@LunaP1]

Totally agree. There were a few force users that were on the neutral side that didn't care about the war, as long as that war didn't show up on their door step. The lothewolves only helped Ezra because they saw potential in him and were worried that their home world was in danger of being destroyed. The other creature on the planet that the main rebels were hiding on, he basically said he would wipe out both sides of the conflict if they bring their fight to his home planet. And he acted on that threat.

[@felonyx5123]

The Force is literally God, and the belief that it is a mere tool is the basis of the dark side. I find that more interesting than yet another "there's a magic power system that a bunch of grey-and-grey morality people use for their own ends." There's a million of those, Star Wars is black and white but when you think about it it's black and white in a way that's pretty weird and unconventional. The good guys are monks who ban marriage, you don't see shit like that compared to all the "power of love" stuff everywhere. It's not a practical philosophy to live by, but I find that the Jedi having their own weird beliefs that don't line up with the audience's idea of good more interesting as fiction.

[@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187]

Yes or no answer?, only Sith deals in absolutes

[@IdkPenthesilea]

Idk if I'm getting this fully right but in legends there was a sith known as "The sith that did no evil" he was basically just a owner of a mining company until his employees found some sith artifacts, he then trained himself in the ways of the sith and even had an apprentice but he never really did anything evil he just used the darkside to help his company and when he died he did so surrounded by the people he loved and cared about, which was said to be "Very unusual for a sith"

[@sgtmarcusharris4260]

That was a lie made by lumiya to convince Jason to join her their is zero evidence he existed beyond her word which is completely untrustworthy

[@andrerodney454]

The point still stands that being a sith is not inherently evil. And that writing the sith and dark side as inherently evil is boring story writing

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

Reminds me of how in KOTOR 2, the inciting incident is your character getting expelled from the Jedi for the crime of not sitting still while the Mandalorians torch the outer rim.

[@historicflame972]

I mean to be fair, we DID drop a nuke on an innocent planet and accidently create the planet eater man in the process

[@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium]

​@@historicflame972that is fair

[@amaracrow0501]

The fact that the jedi left Anakin's mom in slavery and then threatened to boot him back into said slavery was always gross to me. Anakin had been through a traumatic situation and no one thought the kid may need more then, "it is the will of the force". No wonder he fell for Padme, she was the only one who gave him any affection during a time he was a scared little boy. And the concept of taking babies from parents and then not allowing any deep affection or connection... That sounds like a good way to raise a bunch of sociopaths, sure didn't do Anakin any good. Vader helping off the order was in a way bringing balance back. The Jedi were not great and shit had to change.

[@amaracrow0501]

@@nutellaninja4667 I disagree. If you count legends ( and who doesn't?) They actually have stories about parents trying to get their kids back by hiring bounty hunters. Take any child development class and you will learn that kids need affection and touch. It's actually viral to development that a child form bonds with at least one, primary care giver. It helps make them feel safe, loved, and secure. Trust me, just because most don't remember their families doesn't make the practice less harmful.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I agree completely! The balance had to be restored. He did bring balance to the force as was prophesied, in the way that it needed to be done and not in the way the Jedi thought it would be done. At that point in time too, according to the novels, the Jedi had just become another military force used by the galactic republic. Who was controlled by a sith the whole time and they had no f****** idea. I always thought it was super messed up to take babies away from their parents. It actually reminds me of what is done in china. Most of the babies in orphanages are never held or given any attention or care because there's just too many babies and not enough staff.

[@eternallylearning2811]

Honestly I'm surprised there isn't a mass uprising from all the verious angry mothers

[@Maximara]

It doesn't help that the Jedi don't seem to understand "bring balance to the force" could bite them in the rear and it did. Kreia in one of the games makes an excellent point about the force - it desires conflict. When one side becomes dominate the other rises and when they get strong enough the other side rises. Rinse and repeat - forever.

[@amaracrow0501]

@@Maximara right! on and on, to Luke. He was so intent on trying to, for the most part, recreate the same fallible order. And it crumbled quickly.

[@therotryzit]

Having one of the most recognizable dark side moves be lightning shows the flawed protrayal of using this visual. Sure Lightning is destructive but it is a necessary part of nature; it's how large ammounts of postive and negative energy can discharge themselves.

[@thelastcrow5660]

Honestly, the first season of the Mandalorian didn't have a lot of fanservice. It was very much it's own show with unique characters and worked well enough. It's only in season 2 where they started to introduce random fan-favorite characters to set up their own live action shows when it kinda lost it's identity. This trend unfortunately continued into Book of Boba Fett.

[@mayday2237]

Honestly I think both still hold together well enough, it bothered me at first but after a bit of reflection I've moved to "you've earned some shallow fanservice, as a treat"

[@Dookieman1975]

Season 2 did it well cause it didn’t take away mando’s spotlight and continued the story but in BOBF they should’ve just had mando show up and that’s it, because boba’s story was way too short, they could just show how he got there and what he was doing in season 3.

[@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187]

Book of boba fet is like a bad fan fic

[@ride-playerbb2818]

Makes sense for Mando. Like sure it could've been any Jedi, any Madndalorians, any Bounty Hunter who can help, but why make new characters who we'll probably never see again -unless they're popular enough- when there are characters like Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, Boba, and Luke who fit those roles with no problem?

[@bubble_espeon]

I was actually unaware of how this version of the Sith Code could've been interpreted and for the longest time, I just took your word about the dark side being more nuanced in none Disney canon because I've never consumed any media about it. The way you talk about how the code could be interpreted depending on the person reading it was really interesting and I agree that there should be more Star Wars content with good siths.

[@gabrielajo2972]

"Now That's What I Call Edgy" with the explosions and Linkin Park had me laughing for an entire minute. Genius comedic timing.

[@Armaggedon185]

Nothing to add really, agree with your take wholeheartedly. The Force is a plot convenience that's only ever as interesting as the characters that use it, but recent movies (and most of them in general) just use it to make things less interesting by having clear cut good guys and bad guys.

[@redjirachi1]

It's ironic: Star Wars was born with classic good vs evil archetypes in mind, but people want it to outlive the mold

[@spectre111]

One of the worst parts of the Disney sequels is that they use the force as lazy hand waving. Like whenever they backed themselves into a corner they just 'used the force' to fix it.

[@raccoonja5905]

Isn't the point of both the original trillogy and the prequels that the Jedi of the Old Republic are morally wrong or at least flawed? Prequels: -The Jedi just do the jobs the senate gives them, instead of helping as many people as possible -They are so complacent that they don't even recognise that the dark side clouding everything on Couroucant could mean there is a peowerfull dark side user near -Qui-Gon frees Anakin because he's the chosen one, but ignores Anakins friends that are the same age, probably also slaves -They ignore that Anakin really isn't made for their philosophy and hasn't managed to learn it in 10 years instead of either helping him or finding a place where he fits in better -They just let the Chancelor have contact with a nine year old that has no relation to him, but don't let Anakin have contact with his mother -Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan mind trick people in situations where it isn't necessairy -They find an army of slave soldiers and just use them and start a war to free three people Originals: -They lie to Luke about his father (from a certain point of view) when he is clearly old enough to learn the truth -They don't want Luke to go help his friends when they are in mortal danger -They claim that you can't come back from the dark and Luke shouldn't even try Only though ignoring parts of Obi-Wans and Yodas teachings is Luke able to get Vade to side with him and kill Palpatine

[@themadmystic1688]

Glad someone finally said it. In basically every other series, passion is a good thing and apathy is evil. Shit, any character who wields the Power of Friendship would lean more dark side than light. Instead we get pacificism and 'redeeming' nazis. The only way any Nazi should be redeemed is by a trip through a woodchipper.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“Apathy is Death!” -Kreia

[@MakiPcr]

"Finally"? What do you mean "someone finally said it" this take is like 20 years old, and everyone's said it. Honestly "the Dark Side represents fascism and passion is good" is a more original take at this point

[@harsmarhalred]

My star wars old republic experience as an inquisitor with the Palawan follower you can have on discussing the nuances with the dark side, and the sith code made me really hooked with my character being an alien and the question of that trying to either fix or use the empire for her own gains. But I would like to thank Lily for all the writing advice from over the years with the glasses of water, the kora and Steven sucks and here’s why, even if on some things I disagree. That’s the beauty of it I don’t have to agree with everything. Your advice and personality more than make up for whatever small things I don’t agree with, but thank you Lily for inspiring my own book I’m working on. You’ve always been entertaining and thought provoking. It’s refreshing to have actual criticism of something rather than “didn’t have this or that, or because it disagreed with my moral code revolving around my political ideology on both “sides” of the isle

[@historicflame972]

zappity zappity

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

According to Star War's ideas of morality, the Rebels would be on the dark side... let that sink in. The unambiguous good guys of the series broke the peace because the status quo pissed them off so much that they sought power in order to violently overthrow the government, just like a Sith would. I'm starting to think that moral philosophy needs to become a required subject in education.

[@weatherman1504]

You know, I've never thought about that. Thinking about it now, it looks a good deal like the Sith code is more or less baked into the stories of the OT. The good guys are always trying to find the power to achieve victory so that they can change the status quo while the bad guys are actually leaning into a more Jedi-like thing of keeping things as they are (i.e. creating a false peace). Funny enough, the two remaining pre-empire Jedi we see (Obi-Wan and Yoda) are also following the Jedi code. Really interesting to say the least.

[@MakiPcr]

No, they're not, compliance to the status quo is *bad* it got the Jedi _killed_ after 3 years of getting them to compromise their values and fight a war as soldiers (and leaders of a slave army) even though they literally say they're not soldiers. Palpatine claim that he will bring peace is a lie because peace isn't the absence of conflicts it's the presence of justice. That's the whole point of the Prequels! How do people keep missing this? SW isn't subtle

[@zanir2387]

Paltapine was commiting every kind of abuses During His ruling, and the death star was the epítome of that, don't expect to abuse you power like that without having someone retaliating

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

@@zanir2387 So are you saying that sometimes you should get angry? That sometimes you should gather power in order to violently end the status quo? That's a very Sith like way of thinking.

[@zanir2387]

@@artisticcannibalism1350 no, Is the thinking of someone who had enough, or would you blame spartacus by His revolt against Rome?

[@StripesChaosGremlin]

The Jedi thinking that Anakin 'bringing balance to the force' was going to be anything other than the slaughter of their order. I know that was the point but it's still makes me laugh. Clearly they never heard of the phrase 'To much of a 'good' thing'

[@redjirachi1]

"Bring harmony to the Force" feels like what the Jedi meant but it got lost in translation

[@racionador]

i love the idea the jedi are so full of their own farts smells that they took the prophecy complete wrong.

[@rcwlson1]

Ikr?

[@samirabdel-aziz478]

My LARP group struggles with this as well. Luckily, we've created a spectrum of Dark Side, where at its base is merely using emotions as a power source. Many Sith in our group write their characters as anti heroes or passionate defenders, while others focus on the Order is Strength approach and then others still embrace the full violence of the Dark Side and go full Evil. Its a lot more fun than the binary approach.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

This is why I've always enjoyed the prequels. As a kid, it was the first time I learned about moral ambiguity, even if that wasn't George Lucas's intent.

[@JoeTheCynic]

Super fun video to watch over again. The Jedi's obsession with "maintaining balance" as it was presented in the prequels always felt more like maintaining a status quo, but the fact that similar language was used in the original trilogy against the Empire to disrupt that status quo really shows how differently each writer goes about depicting the force even across the canon sources.

[@bobherse1997]

This will be interesting. must admit I'm more on the casual end of star wars viewers so It's interesting to hear about the expanded universe, it's highs and lows and how the light and dark side are shown in different media

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

If you're interested in learning more, the Knights of the Old Republic games really dig into these subjects in more detail. Especially KotoR 2. To quote Kreia: "Oh, not to love is no crime, or so the Jedi believe. It is their code that kills life... their adherence to the will of the Force." "To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it. It is something no Sith or Jedi has ever truly learned." "If you are to truly understand, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea."

[@Lily_Orchard]

May the 4th serve you well

[@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748]

That’s brilliant.

[@Success3012A]

No because Im a 1 Dimensional character with daddy issues and a redemption arc

[@diip-ali1228]

@@Success3012A okay, kylo ren

[@thescholarsjourney661]

This, oddly enough, reminds me of something I read in (of all things) a video game fanfic: "Hope, sorrow, anger, desire, despair, love, hate, happiness, fear.... if even one of those is missing, humanity loses a part of itself. We need each of them to survive, and trying to take any of them away only weakens us. Our strength comes from controlling and changeling them, not from removing them. To remove them would be to destroy ourselves."

[@diip-ali1228]

It's okay, you can say it was danganronpa

[@thescholarsjourney661]

@@diip-ali1228 Persona, actually. Someone is trying to explain being human to Sophia (a robot).

[@troperhghar9898]

0:30 "so I'm happy lily" We all love happy lily

[@wyvernfabrikator1572]

Hi Lily! I really like your analysis videos, especially about Star Wars. This video made me think about this great fanfic I read a while ago, "Reading Lessons with Madame Nu". Little Anakin makes some very important points about the difference between peace and order: “Sometimes change is a good thing,” Anakin scowled. “Being Freed was a change for me. Stability and Order aren’t the same thing as peace.” Ahsoka curled closer to him, and the other children looked thoughtful, while Madame Nu and Miss Haykar had these worried, upset looking faces. What were they so upset about? Did they not understand? “Like at home, on Tatooine,” he tried to explain to the adults, “There is Order, with the Hutts on top, but we the Am- the slaves, we do not have peace. Keeping Order on Tatooine is not the same as bringing Peace.” Why was he explaining this to them? Shouldn’t they know this already? They were older than him by a lot, but they kept acting like what Anakin was saying was brand new, like it was completely foreign to them. I'll attach the link below. But the gist is that Anakin's upbringing forces the Jedi to face some hard truths about themselves and the galaxy they live in. archiveofourown.org/works/33400552

[@Goldenevil91]

I find it very interesting to take star wars and put into it philosophy behind using the force. Of interpretation of how Jedi and Sith looked at them. Even how to approach their codes and their interactions with the universe around force users that follow any of those orders. Or make new ones because modern understanding of force as part of forces of nature and not as black and white matter is far more complex and complicated - reflecting between the universe and those who live in it. However I would argue that reason why star wars got so very boring also lies in another place. Disney refuses to take risks. Also Lily said They cling so closely to first 6 films that even their TV shows are mostly shallow fan-service with very little to offer beyond that. People clap at Luke showing up even if in Book of Boba Fett all of him was computer generated from his body to his voice. It doesn't matter what quality call back is to main line of movies. Some people will clap at those references and eater eggs being included. Star Wars is getting more and more boring is because Disney is mostly milking this IP and putting very little back in (If anything at all) that can be built upon.

[@mayday2237]

got agreements and disagreements with various parts of the video but GOD that bit about "palpatine wasn't evil because he's a sith lord, he's evil because he's a corrupt politician" is something I wanna hammer into the fandom and the current major star wars writers through their thick skulls. For me the answer to star wars being more interesting is more to just go so far forward that the status quo is totally different and all the players are new, whether jedi or sith are involved with the story or not or even still exist as the way the series handles the force. SWTOR has done enough for me with subversion of the existing paradigm, and it has done some great work, but I just want a new paradigm

[@MakiPcr]

According to Legends, Palpatine became a corrupt politician because he was a Sith and he became a Sith because he was in route to become a corrupt politician; the two are interlinked

[@silvertemplar8061]

Can’t tell you how much the dark side being totally evil all the time was just so boring, that it literally inspired me to write my own series where darkness and darkness powers are not a bad thing, and are reflected through things that make us human. I mean Kreia says it herself that she was teaching us to be human in Kotor 2.

[@stephenmurray5886]

f***** yes I'm so glad someone else gets it , the dark side should be just as flushed out and Characterized as the light . we should have dark siders that make smart decisions to gain power. and I think there should be more stories of how the jedi dogma blinds them to the true nature of the force.

[@ddqfpluskick]

Yoda: I am in the swamp waiting for the chosen one. Obi wan: I am in a desert waiting for the chosen one. Leia: *firing blasters* I am making a difference!

[@ride-playerbb2818]

You know, it's kinda sad. The moment Anakin falls, Obi-Wan's almost immediate assumption is that Luke was the chosen one all along, rather than consider that maybe everything that happened is what the prophecy entails, and the Jedi completely misunderstood the meaning as Yoda thought. Also, even though Yoda recognized that the Jedi was in the wrong, he can't seem to fully grasp what exactly was wrong, seeing as how he handled Luke is basically Anakin all over again. He even refused to train him on the basis that he's too old. Fun fact: Yoda actually wanted to train Leia because she seemed to be the less emotional of the two (to her credit, she took the lose her entire planet quite well). If Yoda's "there is another" line is any indication, it's likely that he thought Leia is the chosen one

[@Baggytrousers27]

This is the reason my love for fanfiction is so strong it could clean a yak at 200 WoW distance units, and give it a haircut in the process. So many pseudo-isekai crossovers dumping characters from other properties into the Far Far Away Galaxy and just having them ask what the f*** is wrong with the purported light-siders. A line from one in particular that always sticks with me, despite the latter chapters meandering off into space harem territory (although Obi Wan's crush on the male lead was a nice addition, QUILTBAG+Poly and/or queerplatonic usually gives me the warm fuzzies) and which, upon further reasearch, has turned out to be a paraphrased, Magic: The Gathering quote: "Those who fear the darkness have never seen what the light can do."

[@goldencyclone4984]

I do like that the old Legends canon did tend to grapple a lot with the nature of the Force and the idea of the Dark Side. It wasn't always handled well, and Luke's opinion tended to vary wildly from series to series and writer to writer, but there were definitely times when the Dark Side was explored with nuance and tact. Plus, controversial as it was we actually got to SEE Jacen as he slowly fell from grace.

[@wisdommanari6701]

People have a hard time admitting that Lucas might not be perfect. I hate on Kotor I they have the formal slave become evil while having the main goal of returning to her home and freeing all the slaves. The writers make her "forget her original goal in the pursuit of Power" The sith would happily allow her to massacre the slavers and free her people. But the Jedi would see it as an "improper use of her Power" that shit right there man. That's in a perfectly distillation of why the light side dark side thing in star was is bullshit. I like in one of the last runs of the Legends books, the Jedi are put in the situation of having to actually side with or against the mass of slavery up rising occurring in the outer rim and one of the - Jedi Saba Sebatyne I think - admits that the order as a whole has been wrong to willfully ignore the existence of slavery in the galaxy just because it's outside of the the republic boarders. And Luke Skywalker himself admits that tethering the Jedi order themselves morally and politically to the Galactic Alliance was a mistake.

[@amirsp1800]

The Legends New Jedi order was great imo. An organization trying to avoid the mistakes of its predecessor, making new ones and having to deal with the fallout was awesome.

[@armania_9064]

Oooo Star Wars vid 👀. Also it’ll release of May 4th, nice 👌

[@VoxTenebrae]

I've often said the dichotomy of Light and Dark sides of the force (especially with respect to their codes) was more Law vs Chaos than Good vs Evil. All the stuff in the Sith code is very Chaos aligned, doing what you want (non-good) or what you believe is right (good), no matter what, and actively opposing systems you don't agree with. The Jedi code on the other hand is, as you said, all about maintaining peace, order, the status quo. It literally decries Chaos with its last line

[@OracleSpeaking8]

There's a video essay by Noah Gervais I like to rewatch that's technically about the KOTOR games, but mostly serves to show how much George Lucas used Joseph Campbell's original concept of the Hero's Journey to serve as the bedrock for how Star Wars works as a universe. So yeah, a guy from the 1940's with some really weird (and some misogynistic) ideas about how emotions should be handled is a big chunk of the reason why Star Wars has such weird morality issues. Which is probably related to why so many people freak out when someone tries to flesh Star Wars out into a universe where real people can live, doing that actually makes for a much deeper change than it looks like it should and we all know how much people *love* big changes to things. :/

[@josephjarosch8739]

Never encountered another Noah Gervais fan in the wild before. There were some nice quotes in that video. "If you find something about the force Star Wars that makes you pause and say, 'That's a *really wierd* way of looking at things', then I will bet you actual cash money that it was in Cambell." "Folks, this is your brain on Freud."

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@josephjarosch8739 oh my God, yes. I found him because I was looking for critical reviews on the video game tyranny. And his Star Wars video last year that was released on Star Wars day it was such a delight I watch it every couple of months. One of my personal favorites being "Campbell says though I wish he wouldn't." LOL

[@HistoryMonarch1999]

I was about to go back into writing some old TOR story but I was pondering how to write it until this came out. A lot of good ideas I wanna play around it! Good job!

[@emperorrevan6992]

I have always been a fan of the Old Republic’s willingness to expand upon the essence of the Light Side and Dark Side of the Force as more nuanced. That their respective users, while influenced slightly, are only as consumed by their respective aspect of the Force as they let themselves become. It also makes it enjoyable when you have characters like Lana and Marr just waltzing up to a Jedi and striking a cordial, philosophical conversation on the Force. Seriously, Marr and Satele have to be a Jedi-Sith relationship that I am happy to see be presented in Star Wars since it shows that the two orders can proceed to interact and even learn from one another without having to try and decapitate each other constantly.

[@homuncuhottie]

I never liked Star Wars and found it long winded and boring but I did not understand until this video what truly bored me was the pure good and evil where nothing is actually changing and I would totally watch and adore a Star Wars where status quo gets a hard banish spell yeet

[@silverwingwarlock9314]

This has happened change my mind Jedi Knight: Master Jedi Master: Yes? Jedi Knight: Why is the Darkside bad? Jedi Master: Because the Sith use it for their own will. Jedi Knight: But what if we used the Darkside and our will was to help people? Jedi Master: We can't use the Darkside it's evil. Jedi Knight: How? Jedi Master: Because The Sith use it? Jedi Knight: And what makes The Sith evil? Jedi Master: Became they use the Darkside. Jedi Knight: OK but what makes the Darkside evil? Jedi Master: The Sith Jedi Knight: Then what makes Sith evil? Jedi Master: The Darkside Jedi Knight: HOW? Jedi Master: Because The Darkside is evil. Jedi Knight: (Angry Darkside noises)

[@tuojiangoman3228]

(Sith just sipping coffee in the background)

[@coldgal8476]

A Star Wars video, on the 4th. Thank you, I love tgat

[@reverendmunk9676]

Also the very idea that the stronger you are in the force the more likely you are to be turned to the dark side. Non-force sensitive people can be free with their anger, passion, fear, etc. because there’s no reaction to that by the force. But Anakin was virtually doomed to be on the dark side due to him being the most sensitive to the force. If he even felt a modicum of anger, fear, passion etc. his reaction to the dark side would be worse than anyone else’s cuz of his force sensitivity. He was doomed no matter the master, technique, or training he went through

[@TheRealLemur]

It's kind of darkly funny that you made a joke about *Insert new female character for people to hate here* and only a few weeks later did one show up in the form of Third Sister... Like we all saw it coming, even the producers of Obi-wan... Not sure wether to laugh or curl up in a ball and cry.

[@Randomixx-xm1ml]

The point about it being possible for light side users to still commit evil reminds me of something that can be seen during the Old Republic game. When a handful of Jedi masters received a prophecy about one of their padawans falling to the dark side, they chose to...kill almost all of them and then blame the crime on the survivor. Doesn't sound very heroic to me. The steps taken to avoid a particular future sometimes end up being the steps taken to make that future a certainty, and the Jedi forgoing their worldly attachments and emotions instead of treating their padawans with any semblance of true empathy and care can certainly lead to the future they were trying to prevent.

[@aaronschultz4061]

Great video lily it was really great.

[@magickgeminid2944]

through passion, comes power and through power comes victory through victory my chains are broken...it's literally saying you can choose to do what with said victory. The Jedi code doesn't say anything that doesn't involve passion innately. The problem is that for many Westerners we get bamboozled by power words "goodness, serenity, peace" and absolutes. Peace doesn't come without engendering and protecting and that sometimes means fighting. If you don't care or are passionate about learning where does the knowledge come from? let me stop babbling...thank you for another banger video

[@WerewolfHorrorNut]

I’m exited!

[@averias4893]

The way different people interpret the Sith Code in different ways reminds me of how different people in America interpreted the Book of Exodus. Many white Americans saw their country as something akin to a new Israel, with the favor of God that implies. Many black people, meanwhile, had a very different interpretation about how a story about a group of enslaved people who then escape being enslaved applied to their society, and took hope from it.

[@mr.end-game711]

the idea of the dark side being a natural thing was kinda explored in the age of republic qui gon jinn comic, mind you it was the dark side as a naturally occurring growth but still.

[@ganceann5930]

You bringing up how ironically Lea follows the sith code to a T was actually eye opening cause i remember being confused why no one bothered to make Lea a Jedi she has the force.also it means by extension the good guys follow the sith code too. Then as a ghost Yoda blew up the Jedi's teachings like yeah that's not what the hero needs rn. The bad guys getting stopped twice even when the Jedi were no longer around really drives it home that they were never really right to begin with.

[@wolfb1396]

I hope you feel better Lily

[@Crzon]

Great video, and I hope someone making new Star Wars stuff sees it and takes notes.

[@aitipsea3909]

This is something I had a problem with in Star Wars There has to be a light side and a dark side, take away the dark side and the imbalance of it will create a vacuum. And nature abhors a vacuum I was excited when Kylo Ren said everything old should die, to form a new order thats perfectly in balance between the jedi and the sith while rejecting the extremes both ideologies bring. I didnt like the sequels as a whole, but the prospect of taking Star Wars in a new direction instead of just the repeat that was Force Awakens... that was great!

[@Lily_Orchard]

The problem is that you shouldn't take "it's time to let old things die" as a good thing when it's said by a fascist manchild who wants to take over the world. Because he means something much different and much worse.

[@jujudisasters]

oh jeez that intro im glad u recovered from being sick!

[@chemkip2697]

I think its cool to note that, in the beginning Destiny was very similar light vs dark but during recent updates both the players and characters come to realize the darkness is just a tool just like the light, several tyrants used the light and several heroes used the darkness

[@abimaze4308]

Aaaaand now I want a Sith Code tattoo! Also now that Im done with college i absolutely need to get back into the story you both wrote.

[@stevenclark2188]

It really felt like this is where The Last Jedi was starting to take Rey, with her ability to just sort of have a peaceful visit to the Dark Side and come back without issue.

[@Lily_Orchard]

TLJ was milking the safest, most comfortablr directions to take the characters from the perspective of annoying white people. It was never going to do something this interesting

[@terencecrawford6139]

The best way imo to make Star Wars and the force more interesting would be to model it after the Tao in eastern philosophy.

[@Oozeyjew8604]

Peak Star Wars Content, can’t wait for you to talk about the prequels

[@eleavate]

This is at least the second time a Glass of Water has taken place in the Backrooms, what is happening!?

[@sapphicstargate3872]

Some of your videos, this one especially, almost make me want to write some fanfiction again, except this time with a lot more knowledge and a bit more experience with writing. Vs the very Sapphic but also frankly dumb and absolute hot garbage fics I wrote when I was 15 lol

[@CMoth]

I don’t know much about Star Wars, but I found this video very compelling.

[@I.Simmonds]

I like the New Jedi order series as well, and the Kotor comic with its conspiracy of prophecy obsessed Jedi faction who kill their own apprentices because 1 was "destined to become a sith", use deception and lies and are so self righteous they have no force corruption and can walk right past master Vandar. Yes there is a secret darksider but the group's depraved actions are not his actions. But the "Status seems to be the flavor of the day" I know you don't like Arcane but I find that's a lot of the commentary about the show. Jinx ruined "peace" by attacking the council who would have handed the Undercity to Silco. And she "kills random people!" Ignoring the fact those random people are Enforces, who repeatedly engage in wide spread brutality, oppression, collective punishment, imprisoning people without charge, and scapegoating all at the councils behest.

[@Lily_Orchard]

Don't use the word "Cabal" please

[@I.Simmonds]

@@Lily_Orchard changed it

[@ghostphantom8453]

So glad someone said this, I never made sense to me that there had to be an evil force and a good force when it's all kinda the same thing. It's more like the force gets corrupted by the people who use it instead of the other way around.

[@madalitsokakhuta-banda5668]

I always viewed the dark side is not exactly evil just much harder to control

[@greenghoul157]

Sometimes I just want to scream at Disney to move on from characters and callbacks to things that are forty years old, new things like The High Republic aren't enough I want to see series and movies that are disconnected from the Skywalker saga, I am more than ready to move on and see stories about the deeper symbolism of the Jedi and Sith

[@mimmilehtimaki1926]

So what you are saying is that the dark side of the force at its best is the magic of friendship?

[@wisdommanari6701]

Essentially

[@markr3730]

If you can control yourself Provided it doesn’t control you.

[@MakiPcr]

I don't like people missing the point of the Dark Side in general, but this is worst take ever. In the original trilogy, the Dark Side is literally defeated by the Power of Love, Friendship is even present in the fact that literally everyone is coming together to fight the Empire and the Dark Side. The movies aren't subtle, how do people keep missing this?

[@Dookieman1975]

They need to make a twist where the dark side is not evil, it is how the sith use it. Plenty of Jedi have used the dark side in a good and bad way. This would make the Jedi AND sith see things completely differently

[@ride-playerbb2818]

I thought that has always been the case

[@Dookieman1975]

@@ride-playerbb2818 yeah probably, but I want them to make it clear and show it not only to the audience but also the characters, maybe Luke is trying to establish a new order and as he learns more about the Jedi and the sith, what not to do and what to do, he realizes that the dark side is not evil, it’s how the sith twisted it.

[@Draiocht012]

Okay so the video was great and all, but my favorite thing was "May the 4th serve you well" because I've been saying that all day prior to watching this video.

[@somecoolassassin6779]

i dont know if hes considered a sith but galen marek is an interesting character in that he uses the dark side of the force to save others and help start the rebellion but i dont know thats just how i see his story

[@RaymondCritchley5483]

Galen Marek is a self-insert power fantasy for the players of the game. That's fine, but he wouldn't be good in other forms of media. If Galen Marek could use the dark side without becoming corrupted by it, then you have to wonder why everybody else doesn't. It makes him overshadow beloved characters like Luke and Vader, and not just by having stronger powers.

[@mosesmm5473]

First of all, loved this video as I first found this channel thanks to your videos on Steven Universe and Legend of Korra. With this topic, I totally agree with you that it seems like the writers of the main Star Wars stuff seem to insist that the universe they’re created is one of binary good and evil, taking a Abrahamic approach to it when the force and characters themselves are much more complicated then that. There is a another video called ‘How Liberty Dies: The Politics of Star Wars’ which I think you would life as it does a great job using both the prequels and Clone Wars series to explain just why the republic fell and the Jedi were nearly wiped out, any very little of it had anything to do with the Dark Side. While Luke’s character was destroyed in the Disney movies, he wasn’t wrong in that the Jedi were not as great as people seem to remember them as, much like most moderates-they didn’t care if there was injustice-they only wanted a peace, even if that ‘peace’ was merely quiet. There was a scene in an episode of the Clone Wars where Ahsoka and Anakin sit in on a Senate meeting and when Ahsoka asks Padme and Anakin why they’re even fighting a war in the first place, and why the Jedi as peacekeepers aren’t taking a more active role in trying to deescalate tensions between the Republic and Separatists, Anakin gives an extremely simplified and bias answer, saying and I quote ‘The separatists believe that the republic is corrupt, but they’re wrong, and we have to restore order’. You could see that as a scene showing how little Anakin understood the situation, but it actually shows the Jedi prospective as the conflict as Anakin was raised by them since he was 9. They either were blind to, or refused to acknowledge that the Republic was in decay as that would mean needing to commit to major reforms and changes for both the republic and Jedi, and because that would lay partial fault for the terrible galaxy wide situation on them-they chose use the fact that Dooku was a Sith to invalidate the very real rot of the republic and feelings of the Separatists and instead just see this as the situation as the Sith causing another war for the heroic Jedi to squash. You actually brought up similar points in your Steven universe video where you made a short tangent on the Knights of the Old Republic and how the games do a great job at showing players the universe from the POV character aligned to the dark side, without adding in all that’s self destructive, blatant ‘dark side evil crap’ that the movies seem to do with the character in game themselves questioning those aspects of the Sith themselves, seeing them for that they are-pointless, self-defeating BS with no logical reasoning to back it up. The first force unleashed games also does this as Star Killer may practice the dark side, but he’s not evil for it and rather he’s evil because he was trained by Darth frickin Vader, even after Vader betrays you and you decide to fight against the empire-you can still use all the Sith techniques you’re picked up throughout the games such as force lightning which is supposed to be a high level Sith ability. It’s because you were connected with your emotions that you could even make the change, and why you could help to start the rebellion as you saw injustice, and sought to fight against it. Leila being the closest person to the fundamental Sith Code is something I’ve never considered, but at the same time-I feel like that was why Disney had it that she lost her political power after her father’s identity become public knowledge as she would have done her best to not just restore the republic-but fix the problems of the previous one that led to its downfall.

[@storymaster164]

We need a cannon good Sith to join/become one of the protagonists in a Star Wars story and have them challenge the Jedi notions of anger. SWOTOR does this beautifully with Lana and several other Jedi characters to an extent as many of them seem confused by the notion of abandoning their emotions while also being compassionate. This is why I’m always confused by robots in media wanting to feel something. The simple fact that they don’t have emotions and are unfeeling would dictate that they do nothing because nothing brings them joy or sorrow. Emotion is our motivation for everything. This is also what happens during many depressions. People just stop feeling. Stop carrying. I don’t know about you but the “light” Jedi side side of the force sounds more and more like self imposed depression. If that’s the case, then where do I sign up to become Sith? Quick disclosure because I am not an expert but I do acknowledge that people experience depressions a little differently person to person.

[@ride-playerbb2818]

To be fair, the Dark Side on the other hand is more like a drug that can consume you (or maybe more like alcohol, I dunno). A lot of the Sith are pretty much walking metaphors for substance abuse and addiction, lots of them even look like junkies. Of course there are a few (and I do say few) exceptions like the Nightsisters, who had managed to control the dark side (although a good chunk of them are not exactly the epitome of good either, besides maybe Merrin, but they're far from the evil that is Darth Sidious), and most famously Darth Vectivus who simply grew his knowledge of the Dark Side in secret, and is otherwise a good and honorable businessman who never once abused any of his powers. Also, the Sith as an Order is even worse than the Jedi. Someone like the Jedi Padawan "Scout" would never have made it as a Sith because she's so weak in the Force and strength is greatly valued among the Sith (Kreia would've loved her though), but she excelled as a Jedi in terms of physical prowess and creativity because as dogmatic as the Jedi are, they don't mind individuality among their members. She even managed to survive the purge. So in other words, the dark side is dangerous, but not inherently bad. The Sith are another thing entirely. Same for the Jedi really. The light side is ultimately good, but how the Jedi interprets it and the dark side is extremely flawed

[@cardeajackson7644]

you captured my exact thoughts on star wars right now thank you for making this. I also find it appalling that keep doing rebellion vs oppressive regime all the time. like why is it called star wars if the war is always one sided. They also showed a good sith in the first episode of Star Wars Visions.and I think their should be more sith like that.

[@benwelsh5265]

With you 100% on this one, Star Wars breaking free of the stifling light side-dark side binary could only ever be a good thing opening the door for so many interesting characters and stories to take root. Give us some more Krieas and Lana Benikos (I mean not literally as that's hugely uncreative but you get the sentiment). I still can't get over how offensively dull George's own interpretation of 'balance to the force' is. This idea that the dark side is some sort of toxicity that needs to be cleansed from the Force's bloodstream. I think Mr Lucas has confused 'balance' with 'cleansing' as balance would suggest an equilibrium of sorts.

[@nutellaninja4667]

The Force encompasses all life. Tapping into it's power to kill, dominate, and pervert nature is inherently toxic to the Force. There is no "light side." There is only the Force. Using the Force to do fucked-up things is the dark side. And Lana Beniko is boring as shit. She doesn't even feel like a real Sith. She's more like an out-of-place OC.

[@jspark8990]

So since another trailer got released what’s your opinions on kenobi

[@professordetective807]

Is... Is she sill in the Backrooms, as nonplussed about it as last time? Are we getting a subtle arc here? Or Lily's just been reading a lot of neo-SCP fics, recently.

[@thedarkoracle4807]

Now I kinda wanna see your thoughts on the Dooku episodes in "Tales from the Jedi."

[@reapergrimm8]

Talking points like this are the reason I like the morality system in ttrpgs like Dungeons and Dragons or Pathfinder. People look at the nine alignments and think that they all need to be played the same way. When in reality, there is so much room for nuance in each alignment that you can have all sorts of characters be of the same alignment, but be significantly different in how they approach things. It allows for much more interesting characters, which results in a better story all around. Which usually means a more enjoyable experience for all involved.

[@holbvgbbbbkfz]

May the forth be with you

[@elithesia781]

This is probably one of the best Star Wars related videos I've seen in ages. This is an idea for Star Wars that I now want like chocolate and would LOVE to see explored. I particularly loved your dissection of Leia's actions and how she fits the Sith code because I really never thought about things that way. All we need to make the idea perfect is more Jedi and Sith lesbians.

[@SindianStar]

My comment is not about star wars or the points you talked about (Tho I loved the points you talked about, might comment later on those!) My comment is a very big and fat THANK YOU! Thank you for the flash warning before the flash happens! It is very sad that this is something I feel I need to thank you for, but so often when I watch videos with a scene that is very flashy one of two things happen. A: There is no warning what so ever and I get very sick (I don't have epilepsy, but I am very sensitive to flashing lights and can at worst points pass out) or B: There is a warning at the start of the video, but it gives me no warning about when the flashing happens, meaning I either have to be extreamly careful watching the video or digging in the comments for a time stamp, or I have to skip the entire video in fear of getting sick. So again, thank you for giving a well in advance flash warning and also doing it in a way that lets me know "This is about to happen now, you can hear when it is done and enjoy the rest of the video"

[@tripled2096]

Why is force lightning only used by evil people it's badass

[@tadeuszjastrzebski1386]

I am so glad someone finally said it! The Dark Side users have so much potential for stories. I mean the light is nice, stories of falls or denying it, but the dark side can have that and much more! My favourite being what Lana said, overcoming personal weaknesses to become stronger. I think SWTOR Sith stories are actually good examples of that potential, as there is more than one path to the end. You can choose to be a proper Sith, or a psychopath, or an anti-hero or heck, maybe even switch sides. There are paths that are black and white, true, but the best and more numerous paths were those that let the players commit more grey choices, where sometimes the "evil" choice seemed better than the "good". I might be slightly biased on this, but the game basically changed my whole perspective on the Sith and their code, and I can only hope that the upcoming "Acolyte" series will actually explore the dark side as something more then just then the means of corruption.

[@WerewolfHorrorNut]

I totally agree

[@Ballinbutatwhatprice]

It could use some warhammer flare so unnecessary violence and lost of depression also chain swords lots of chain swords and blood

[@DantheManIamIam]

Remember in Force Awakens when Rey beats Kylo Ren by literally being better than him at the dark side because he's such a try hard punk and she just embraces her emotions? Imagine if they went somewhere with that. I know they never would because it was probably not even intentional but then neither were half the interesting themes of the prequels so fuck it roll with it. But hey, embracing every terrible Star Wars trope in the book plus a dash of toxic fanfic culture worked too, I guess.

[@nicholasscovelle1772]

so ideologicly you make some good points though no one claming to be sith could be good due to the curoping power of the darkside even if you start usinging it for good sooner or laater power is all youl care about

[@Lily_Orchard]

Reasserting canon in a video where my main point is the canon needs to change proves you weren't paying attention

[@ride-playerbb2818]

Your talk about a good Sith makes me wonder how Anakin would've turned out if one trained him and took him as an apprentice

[@ashleylightheart126]

Dumb question but who's that female Sith Lily shows throughout the video?

[@AshleyTheFighter]

May the fourth serve you well ~

[@Lily_Orchard]

It's "May the Fourth serve you well."

[@AshleyTheFighter]

@@Lily_Orchard You just made an entire video basically pointing out that the force is not something which controls a person to act in a certain way, but is more the catalyst used by that said person. I cant believe I wrote out that comment while listening to that point Haha- I just, I'm surprised I didn't realize my terrible wording before

[@blackpowderkun]

Hopefully if Disney decided to have stories pre rule of two or a far off future with a new darkside sect.

[@malachiscott3839]

⚠️Rant with no focus alert⚠️ This made me think of Kingdom Hearts. They do the Light vs Dark thing with not much more nuance but they still do it so much better. We see so many characters using the darkness without being controlled by it. The darkness is only ever corruptive when used to corrupt (or in a more literal sense with the heartless) eveyone who falls to darkness is either forced into it (Aqua & Sora) chooses to submit to it (Xehanort) or is just a generally negative person (Maleficent) The light side isnt shown as overly passive and cowardly heros of light usually throw the first punch. Riku and the Organization all the nobodies are darkness users in some form and a few of them use light as well but none of them are missled by the darkness they're tricked by Xemnas and it has nothing to do with darkness. Riku is consumed by the darkness twice and hates anything even related to it in COM, learns it's usefulness as a tool in 365/4 & KH2 then by DDS he learns what Eraqus should've told Terra, that the dark is a part of your heart and Riku is only able to become a master and fight off the ACTUAL evil people. The darkness only overtakes people who see it as inherently harmful .every character who accepts it as a natural part instead of the BIG EVIL become stronger as a result see Riku & Xehanort(and Mickey to a lesser extent bc the Kingdom Key D is described as being from the darkness)There's this kinda glossed over concept of "the twilight" to describe characters who belong neither to dark or light which is only Riku and the nobodies i think its weird bc it's meaning shifts between being literal and metaphorical but every character who's labeled as such was consumed by darkness and learned from it but here the dark doesn't make them super duper ouper evil it just changed them the same as any other experience. Where as in Star Wars it's just an interesting concept that writers consistently try (and fail) to make fit a morality system that doesn't even exist in Star Wars kinda reminds me of how Abraham Lincoln was going to let slavery continue to exist bc he didn't want to be the one to stir the pot and he assumed someone else would do it later. The Jedi letting the people who they think are sinister super fiends do whatever bc "we'll win eventually i guess..." (Insert more apathy here) Which is fitting bc the Jedi are pretty elitist themselves and this apathy likely only exists bc they're rarely the first target. Too often apathy = chill hate/ bored contempt

[@malachiscott3839]

If anyone wasted their time reading this I'm sorry for your loss 😭

[@monkeyfat61]

yes I feel the same I kinda want one like that jedi that choice to be the Inbetween the light and dark I think his name was revin and he was not dark or light just using the force in a way he want

[@Lily_Orchard]

That's "Grey Jedi" and they're decidedly LESS interesting

[@monkeyfat61]

@@Lily_Orchard srug

[@buttonsfan]

This makes me feel like rewriting the Sequel Trilogy where Finn and Rose go to another enemy of the First Order for help instead of…whatever they did in the second movie. First Order calls them terrorists and zealots. They kidnap (and deprogram) Storm Troopers and steal (other) slaves. The leader and several of his troops go to flank the First Orders ships. One of his students refers to him as “Master” and he shuts that shit down immediately. Finn and Rose go in his ship, they still get on a Star Destroyer and soon find out he’s a Elctroblade wielding badass with the Force in spades, and plans to kill everyone in the First Order without a helmet, and anyone else between him and them.

[@logic9680]

You know what I want? Someone to free the sand people!! There homes and religious lands have been taken by criminals and colonists. Can we have a story where anyone at least tries to help them. Would make Star Wars feel a lot better. I don't know if that's to boring then add some lesbians with lightsabers in or something. Just spitballing :)

[@Quinntus79]

Nah, fuck the those slaver desert dwellers.

[@raidenmetalgear3572]

space lesbians save the sand people, got it!

[@logic9680]

@@raidenmetalgear3572 Now you're gettin it

[@calebbridges4748]

This really put words to what I felt about how the sequels failed.

[@conradojavier7547]

If you give an Angry Fanboy how to make a New Sithlord, They'd end up being a Palpatine Ripoff, but He's a Water Mage, & The Vader Ripoff Sneezes his Mask, & has a Bum Leg.

[@cavelionpictures3223]

sith sith sith yyyyyyyeah!

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

It's not that they want batman... because if they wanted batman It'd be a non force sensitive badass who uses technology to combat force sensitives on their level. Someone weilding devices capable of altering gravity, reinforcing the body est est... You know... actually batman... That, would be cool, especialy if they use Kybercrystals in their tech *because* they are related to force sensitives. It's actually hilarious how often the media not helmed by George Lucas frames the darkside and lightside as two sides of one coin and neither good or evil. Heck the three part arc of The Clone Wars with, the Father, the Son, and the Daughter is one of them. The father isn't evil, he's actually good. But he's not light, he's gray. The son doesn't *become* evil because of the darkside. But because he gives *in* to his hate aggression and because he cut away his attachments. The daughter isn't good because of her lack of attachment. But because she cares about people, including her brother.