The Transphobia of Family Guy

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[@halfbakedmedia]

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[@ironicallypineapple]

I can’t fucking believe that “Peter, you used the transgender bathroom and now everybody thinks you’re transgender” is a real line in this show. He just said the entire plot. It’s so nonsensical and unnecessary I’m cackling

[@unfunnyducky]

"Peter, we're at a baseball game"

[@citruscirrus5607]

“Peter, Baseball is a bat-and-ball sport played between two teams of nine players each, taking turns batting and fielding. The game occurs over the course of several plays, with each play ge-“

[@gandalf_the_purplewithredd2057]

They do that a lot, like explain the whole joke afterwards It ends up consistently being funnier than the joke in an ironic way because of How obnoxiously absurd It is(It still is hot garbadge though)

[@rigboy1234]

"Opera music makes violence classy"

[@splitsee2526]

reminds me of 3lamestudios videos sobs

[@FurbyFullyLoaded]

The ‘Peter is mistaken for a tran person’ set-up could actually play out in a more sensical (& maybe even halfway funny) way if instead of being mistaken for a trans woman he’s mistaken for Chaz Bono (since they’re both plus size white guys with brown hair). Peter could then mistakenly assume that the reason he’s suddenly being treated better by everyone is because of ‘trans privilege’ until the actual Chaz Bono shows up & helps him understand that he wasn’t being treated better for being perceived as trans but for being perceived as a nepo baby. “I don’t have privilege because I’m trans, Peter. I have privilege because my mom is CHER!”

[@t221000]

You clearly have more talent than every Family Guy writer

[@Silburific]

That's much too clever for Familiy Guy. That would fly way too far over the heads of the show's target audience.

[@zab416]

Chaz played a pretty funny character on Curb Your Enthusiasm. I don't know if that guy's ridiculous post op issue is possible to that extent (basically like the well endowed Olympic pole vaulter in everyday life) but...oh wait Lily talked about that whole plot in her Curb video, I forgot lol

[@princembat]

why is this comment how i learned that chaz bono is chers son lol, i mean tbf i know almost nothing about both of them but ive heard both names so much youd think i would have ever heard them in the same conversation at least once before now

[@amazingspiderlad]

That would require them to know that trans men exist

[@Hositrugun]

"The idea that Quagmire, the noted serial rapist, is the one on our side in this episode..." that's actually a weirdly common thing in the later seasons of Family Guy, Quagmire is consistently shown as the voice-of-reason/comedic straight-man to the other characters' antics, then a scene later, they're making jokes about him being a human trafficker, and the show just never addresses this massive tonal disconnect.

[@Crystal_Dylan]

In one episode he’s the moral compass and straight man who sees through everything wrong with the situation. The next episode will then be some shit like “Quagmire waits until Meg turns 18 to start dating her.” Or will have a cutaway gag about him SAing Marge Simpson and shooting the rest of the family. Like why does Family Guy even try being deep or topical anymore all the main cast at this point are felons and criminals or a strawman to mock and dehumanize

[@chaosc8516]

I feel like this massive shifts in the show's tone happening so quickly is part of what makes it so funny

[@BB-te8tc]

I feel the show's idea of "depth" is being "subversive" by monologging about the subject material of an episode a la "Jerry's Thoughts" at the end of a Jerry Springer episode.

[@musicsheep9816]

I believe it's due to flanderization. Quagmire originally was just a massive horn dog who slept with many women. They kept exaggerating this depiction of him all the way to him becoming a massive rapist. So now they end up with this bizarre character that is meant to be "The normal guy" while also being a fucking rapist.

[@robokill387]

Well, yeah, but that flies in the face of it trying to tackle serious topics like that time it tried to domestic violence.

[@DanniTheChaotic]

First day in the trans bathroom I hope they don’t realize I’m cis

[@artifactU]

five nights at trans bathroom 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@SomberSky]

If I saw a trans bathroom I would giggle then go into the women's bathroom

[@Loafoftime]

A trans bathroom would be a perfect opportunity for a sign swap. It would be so easy to take the ⚧️ sign off, superglue a 🚺 on, and boom! Two womens' bathrooms.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

But then where would enbies pee? ​@@Loafoftime

[@Dannymart_88445]

​@@artifactU LMAO

[@BluffsCastle]

The absolute audacity of Seth Macfarlane to call Ida “the most sympathetic transsexual character on TV” and then have her entire episode poke fun at her and have a minute long scene where Brian pukes after he realized she’s trans

[@somegirl675]

Yeah. Carmen from its always sunny is (unironically) the most sympathetic by far imo

[@lmlimpoism]

on top of that stewie is a walking mockery.

[@t221000]

@@somegirl675 I have respect for everyone at It's always Sunny

[@SaberSin-mu4kt]

It's a fucking joke dawg.

[@Silburific]

​@@SaberSin-mu4ktWhat's the punchline? That Seth McFarlane is a liar?

[@Shadozcreeping]

if anyone actually thinks "seth macfarlane isn't writing family guy, he couldn't know what was happening in the Ida episode", that's silly. not only does he probably get show notes, he's also the voice of Quagmire, Brian, Stewie, Ida, literally most of the characters in that episode seth macfarlane can't claim non-involvement

[@t221000]

It just goes to show that even he has less enthusiasm for this show

[@lov_eli]

I aIso remember a transphobic joke in one of the Teds, so I'm totally convinced he just doesn't get it

[@DadaCacaFunnies]

Seth macfarlane has been out of the writing staff since season 12. Even before then, he’s a creator not a writer, every season after 1 was written by various people. As for his role, he does oversee the writing staff, but I can’t imagine he really does. The problem is not him, the problem is that the show is a product of it’s time and so is everything else that ever existed.

[@Shadozcreeping]

@@DadaCacaFunnies he's the show creator, the episode "Quagmire's dad" is from season eight so he was in that writer's room, and if he has a problem with the show, he has leverage as the literal voice of the show. he must take personal account for why this show is the particular way it is, crammed with nazi imagery and transphobia. it is not a product of time, it never would have naturally occurred no matter what age. it's a product of people, among whom seth macfarlane is the most prominent creative influence

[@Sephirajo]

@@DadaCacaFunnies this excuse is completely flacid when everything crosses his desk AND he voices most of the cast. If he didn't want to say it, he wouldn't. Also he's made plenty of these jokes, and racist and sexist ones, in public. So I dont know how you find this a defense of ANYTHING.

[@rosmarinstimme3646]

WOW, that Meg line about cutters is incredibly upsetting, especially with how often gender affirming surgeries are compared to self-harm by idiotic right-wing pundits. Awful.

[@theGhostWolfe]

Yeah. This felt way too close to the “mutilation” transphobe narrative for comfort.

[@CascadianRanger]

Episodes are filled with pretty clear dog whistles

[@danieldorn9989]

Because they are self harm.

[@danieldorn9989]

@@theGhostWolfe It is the definition of mutilation

[@timothymclean]

@@CascadianRanger It seems more like muddled dog whistles. Like Seth McFarlane heard a really neat piece of music and had his band try to recreate it without ever noticing that the melody was supposed to be played on a dog whistle.

[@KSubsforBenk]

35:39 Ida did found out about Brian’s reactions in a Thanksgiving episode. At the dinner table, after Brian and Ida exchange greetings. Stewie says “He threw up when he found out you were a monster”. And Ida just didn’t react, she just had that lazy poker face every character has when they’re not meant to say anything or even move.

[@Jupiterninja95]

Because Ida can't understand Stewie

[@shadenox8164]

@@Jupiterninja95 Yeah, they're extremely inconsistent about that.

[@sellihoozhun]

@@shadenox8164 The general rule is that people close to the Griffin family can understand the Gist of what he's saying but not understand him exactly. Like the episode where Stewie speaks to Loretta.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

​@@sellihoozhunyeah but how close is close?

[@JLupercal]

@@SpecialInterestShow Apparently Chris is close enough but Lois and Peter aren't. Jury's still out on meg.

[@clarahesse3970]

God i hate it when I wake up from a head injury, and someone has stolen my junk.

[@artifactU]

i wouldnt mind that tbh, actually id quite like that

[@timothymclean]

@@artifactU The problem is that junk thieves can't distinguish between people like you and people like clarahesse3970.

[@theF_Zone]

@@artifactU ikr

[@wozaow]

if that's true, then i gotta start playing football.. the concussion will be worth it

[@lzz6694]

The "when Peter gets the surgery his family starts treating him as an actual trans woman" is SO WILD because that is exactly what happened to me. People in my family wouldn't treat me seriously until I got top surgery, and I even got told to my face "well I thought you would change your mind at some point, but now I can't ignore it anymore" Cis people need to be proven that im willing to spend a lot of money and go through surgery before they start to think "yeah, the way you feel is valid"

[@AmberAmber]

I'm so so sorry about that. I really hate that for you so much. I'm untransitioned but I've known I was a guy since I was 2. My fam? All allies · EXCEPT for me (tho my dad secretly supports me unless the others are around). By the time I felt I could pursue social & medical transitioning? I was declared too cancer-y for hormones, & my heart issues were too bad for top (or any) surgery. I'm not nearly brave enough to socially transition withoit hormones cos I have ptsd from †·abuses & am too girly to dare present as socially·masc. The thought of being hurt by a large group of scary people makes my jaw chatter in fear. Dumb Family members, & an utter lack of logic+compassion in society is ruining many people's lives. Again? I'm so so sorry. #PRIDE

[@lzz6694]

@@AmberAmber Ey, it's all okay now, I'm living my best life rn, and those people finally got over themselves. I'm just amazed how cis people think sometimes. Last week my dad called me a man because I'm eating meat again after a long vegetarian phase, It's silly and dumb but I'll take it xD I'm sorry to hear about your issues with transition, I hope that someday you will be able to be yourself! For me surgery was a big step, but I was out before that, tiddies or not I'm still a dude and my friends always knew that ❤️

[@AmberAmber]

@@lzz6694 I'm delighted for you & so proud of how truly brave you are - your words mean so much🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂

[@guggelguggel7491]

Transmeds 🤦

[@rikhuravidansker]

@guggelguggel7491 Transmeds?

[@lucith3great]

Peter, the transphobia is here.

[@DANKKrish]

honse

[@lloydparvin-blackstone6614]

LMAO I'm dying

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

PEA-TARRR

[@coolcomment8]

11:06 I think a better way this could have been executed was that Peter could still have been the 1st trans Red Sox fan, but there are still plenty of trans people in the bleachers, implying every trans person hates the Red Sox

[@Mr.Monacle]

I think that the joke was probably intended as a dig against Boston because it has a stereotype of being anti-LBGTQ+ but like... it doesn't really work because it requires that you're *already* aware of the homphobic Bostonian stereotype to land properly. Bottom line, it's bad on a number of levels.

[@LittleKittiesBigWorld]

​@@Mr.MonacleI feel like a lot of family guy jokes need you to already know some background information or references to get them. So many of the jokes fall flat to most people

[@AstonWildsteel]

@@LittleKittiesBigWorld I second that. I've watched a lot of Family Guy, The Simpsons and South Park as a teenager and young adult and, in retrospect, I noticed that when South Park or The Simpsons makes a referential joke, they go the extra mile to make the joke work even without knowing the reference. As an example, there's a scene in Simpsons where Chalmers and Skinner were doing a skit that is a reference to Abbott and Costello. At that point in time I have never heard of them and it would take years before I would do. But the Simpsons transforms the joke in a way that the joke lands even if you didn't know the reference, and once I knew the reference and saw the scene again, I found it extra funny. Family Guy has done a similar joke referencing Abbott and Costello, but since it relied on the audience knowing the duo, I couldn't get out more than a dry "heh". They didn't transform it enough to make the joke their own. It can only be found funny by siphoning the works of others, instead of using their comedic sources as a foundation to make a gag that can stand on its own legs.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

That would be kinda funny yeah. Like little trans flags or something on several of the audience members, and clearly having them boo at something the red Sox do right after

[@rikhuravidansker]

@@Mr.Monacle As in Banned in Boston?

[@HeiressEllie]

It would be far more interesting and inteospective if peter got the full "Youll never be a man!" "Babyface no beard" "we can always tell" treatment. Whatever this is, its just odd.

[@northstarjakobs]

Congrats on being a better comedic writer than anyone in the family guy writer's room

[@EllieDifferentHandle]

Actually good idea, thank you, other me (Ellie gang rise up istg)

[@timothymclean]

It's kinda weird that everyone assumes Peter is a trans woman. Almost like the writers figured that anyone who's trans and looks like a man must be a trans woman, since trans women look like men. Or they literally don't know trans men exist. Can't rule that out.

[@CorwinFound]

Yeah, that would have been better than the actual story. Almost any story would have been better than the actual story.

[@ryankrenisky8252]

uh do you want them making fun of the ACTUAL struggle of trans people? wouldnt you prefer them to make fun of actual right leaning talking points about trans people?

[@SpectraSkittle]

'Notify the neighborhood' When I was 8 yrs old, I wrote a letter to myself (I had no diary), about how perfect Kim Zmeskal was, and how I wanted to BE JUST LIKE her when I grow up. My mother found this letter; and, after waiting for me to get home from school, spent 3 hours screaming at me, while I sat in the fetal position of my floor, about how I'm going to turn into a pdf file and 'dog lover'. I spent 30+ years thinking that about myself. That my desire to be female was actually just sexual predation hiding, waiting to come out. I have severe CPTSD from this. FUCK. Seth. Mcfarlane.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Your mother was definitely right. I can just tell already.

[@thedogstar59]

i’m so sorry you had to go through that :(

[@BiDisaster327]

Do not pay any attention to the initial reply that idiot made! What your parent did was awful and child abuse. No one should go through that, and I'm so sorry you did. I really hope you're able to be surrounded by people who love you and treat you well, you deserve it I'm cis not trans, but from one woman to another, I think you are amazing for still being here. It doesn't matter what type of woman you are, there will always be someone try to invalidate us and make us feel awful and wrong... so I wanted to tell you that are not alone. I hope you have a good day

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@BiDisaster327 You know I'm right

[@joshuacoleman8000]

​@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943Wrong.

[@intern_dana]

it feels like the family guy writers are "making up a guy to get mad at" whenever they write about trans issues. like, no one would mind if they exaggerate things for comedy or to be wacky. but in order to do that, they need to understand what they're even talking about in the first place

[@viviatwilight]

learning seth macfarlane facts against my will but only because it's lily telling me them

[@SRHtheHedgehog]

You know, peter being put on the jumbotron after coming out of the specifically labeled trans bathroom is ironically illustrative of why trans designated bathrooms are a horrible idea. Talk about putting an advertisement on our backs. I also think it's telling that my first thought when she started talking about peter going back to his job was "he's going to be fired for being trans or be treated super weird and gross" rather than the bizarre bullshit that happened. They talked about giving him extra benefits or whatever and I'm like "wtf I'm terrified when applying at jobs because i never know who's going to turn me down if they find out or fire or harass me if i get hired"

[@outbackshaqYT]

There certianly can be jobs that treat trans people with decency. But they really aren't the norm.

[@thelemon5069]

​@@outbackshaqYTlots of coffee shops honestly

[@SpecialInterestShow]

Yeah... It'd be better I think if there were more neutral bathrooms anyone can use, like family bathrooms

[@Harudodo]

Yeah definitely do research before applying somewhere to see if they’re LGBTQ friendly. I used to work at Chick fil A (big mistake, I know) and was subtlety forced to quit after four months because I was transgender In short I was told that the owner randomly decided that if I didn’t start using my legal name with guests AND coworkers (despite the fact many other people went by nicknames with no issue) I would be fired It’s truly traumatic, it’s been months and I still get flashbacks. Luckily my parents contacted an attorney pretty much right away and I’m suing them 😅😅

[@rikhuravidansker]

@@thelemon5069 I would think only Neapolitan and Sicilian cafehouses due to Iberian and French culture being accepting of frilliness (although obviously Iberian culture is intolerant of flamboyance, excepting Gypsy, Cuban, Isleno, southeast Brazilian, and Pampas, culture), and since Jews and non-heteronormatives often worked as sex slaves or servants of actors or showmen, and were exploited by organized crime and pickpockets, Jews and non-heteronormatives grew to understand each other. Many Jews became conversos in Italy and Iberia, and migrated to Cuba, Florida, and southeast Brazil, and thus there is a greater chance of acceptance. Obviously in Iberia, Italy, and Greater New York, there is a LOT of heteronormative supremacy due to the historical presence of religion (even if it significantly declined after clerical fascism and the Beat Generation), and plenty of anti-Semitism for the same reasons.

[@DatNinjaCow03]

The entire premise of the camera outside the transgender bathroom watching people come out (pun,,,, intended?) is odd and unsettling but the announcement of "congratulations to Peter Griffin, the first transgender Red Sox fan" is one of the funniest combinations of words to me rn

[@timothymclean]

Chopping random Family Guy lines out of the episode and playing them without context is the best way to watch Family Guy.

[@rikhuravidansker]

@@timothymclean As Lily Simpson said, Family Guy cutaway gags are anti-jokes which rely on non sequiturs to create shaggy dog stories for comedy.

[@cobiebeef]

I'm a trans woman from Boston, last time I went to a sox game (and was a cis male) the urinal there is wild. It was just a slanted wall, with drains spaced evenly throughout. It's a surreal memory (⁠^⁠～⁠^⁠;⁠)⁠ゞ

[@cobiebeef]

I just looked for photos of it, and I just discovered it's a normal thing for US baseball fields. It's called a "urinal trough" ...what a gross concept and name!!!

[@Xxsorafan]

Trans woman in Boston too! I never knew this and my school was across Fenway park 😂

[@0prismatic0]

​@@cobiebeefI have seen these in a lot of older ballparks like Fenway and Oakland Colosseum. Kinda wild that these things are so prevalent

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

I've seen those in parks and at beaches, too. Kind of seems like it's considered an acceptable cost-cutting measure at destinations where expecting to remain clean is just unrealistic.

[@gregcourtney751]

​@cobiebeef I did track and field in high school. One other schools athletics field had the urinal trough. To be fair it was not a well run field. It was the only track with grass growing above the track, for example, and the only field I saw one. I've seen troughs sometimes since then but more traditional urinals are way more common.

[@builttoscalevideos]

Okay I won’t lie Quagmire saying “I am known to respect the boundaries of women” was a little funny. Only a little though.

[@QuikVidGuy]

Also him bursting into the hospital room to punch Peter, but only because it's such a brick joke

[@Tommedian]

That’s just how family guy is. Every episode is 90% forced, insensitive humor and 10% genuinely funny and clever jokes

[@anone.mousse674]

This is worse than the time I got sued by the entire Algerian government

[@NeverSeenAgain2010]

Spill? ☕?

[@anone.mousse674]

@@NeverSeenAgain2010 It's like a Family Guy cutaway but I'm referencing the Rowling stuff

[@Ironorchids]

I told you not to drink at the stag party! 😂

[@magentavirus6307]

"The entire Algerian Government" fucking KILLED me. Please become a comedian, i'd happily attend the shows.

[@Only_alice_cyaa]

*jkrs finger shaking as she has typed up a trans hate comment, shifting her eyes when told "not to send that" by her lawyers*

[@Ironorchids]

“Hey Louis, remember the time us and South Park handled a complex social issue so horribly, we poisoned an entire generation of young men against basic human rights?”

[@sreyarthakrishna6195]

That made too much sense to be a Family Guy flashback.

[@Detson404]

@@jordanthompson8268”Arf arf!” goes the sealion.

[@EllieDifferentHandle]

South Park at least treats everyone equally horribly regardless of anything, so you know what to expect. McFarlane went outta his way for this one 😭

[@Xxsorafan]

But you know what it’s on those young men to do their own research and form an opinion as opposed to going off what a cartoon said to justify their negative bias

[@PetalRose450]

​@@XxsorafanOk but that doesn't excuse their mishandling of the subject, great power great responsibility and all, they have the capacity to influence people, so it is their moral imperative to consider the impact of their actions

[@BuddhaMonkey7]

They would've left Peter post-op, had him go back to how he used to act, and never referenced it again if this show had any balls. Which is pretty ironic when you think about it.

[@flavorwise]

I wish people would stop using AIDS as a punchline, but they still do.

[@SSVCloud]

I often say that Family Guy is one of the most transphobic shows ever made, and my evidence is every single time Ida is seen or even mentioned.

[@katyungodly]

South Park is definitely worse

[@sleepy-emerald]

And people get to pretend that "it's just a joke bro" is suddenly a valid excuse because it's a sitcom :​)

[@Starlight-ue8jy]

But peter 😧

[@lmlimpoism]

@@katyungodly south park is kinda just, "We piss people off and still think it's funny 30 years after it was funny."

[@ethansprague2005]

You guys are just overly sensitive if south park is "transphobic" to you. I do feel transphobia is common in media but south park is quote obviously not transphobic in any genuine way, and saying it is shows a lack of understanding of the simple idea of south park.

[@PixelPenguin87212]

As you said something about trans people facing discrimination in the workplace, I am literally at work reading the civil complaint of someone suing their workplace for sexual assault and discrimination for being trans. 😢

[@thagrammarnazi]

I feel like the thinking is; ‘You want to be treated like a woman? Oh you mean you want the sexual behaviour I’ve long yearned to give casual acquaintances who happen to be female, but have realised over time that I’m not allowed to give, you however are a new category/new territory and therefore anything goes, the board is reshuffled and I haven’t been made to learn that your consent matters yet’

[@Empressofnight]

Unless by perks you mean fearing for my life more than my cis peers

[@BluffsCastle]

7:49 The American Dad episode with B12 has a band member, Victor, and it’s made unclear whether they’re a cis tomboy, a trans man, or something else entirely. The character has lips and eyelashes associated with female Family Guy characters, but also a masc name and short hair. During the B12 song, they say "I've got the penis of a man" and the screen flashes the word "Girl." It could have been that this was making fun of trans men, but since the character is so minor and doesn’t appear again, it’s never really touched on

[@internalOrchids]

That could also be a dig at trans women (constant "masculine" traits being attached to someone labelled as a woman) but yeah it is just. Weird.

[@LAZY-RUBY]

I thought that was just Hayley pretending because they needed another member and couldn't find one?

[@Vespercold]

my read of it was that B12 was so rushed to be put together by Rodger, Victor is a cis girl who is pretending to be a boy to fit into the group. The joke being that boy bands with more and more members are more popular and that Rodger struggled to get the 11 other boys, gave up and added Victor. At the end of the episode the band goes belly-up when a boyband with 13 members goes big instead of them There's also another moment in the song where another member says "I'm B11 and I'm in love with B7" which plays with the idea that A) B11 doesn't know victor is a female, and he is Gay or B) B11 and everyone in the band know that Victor is actually a girl and B11 is straight, but it makes all the listeners who believe victor is a man believe B11 is gay. It got a chuckle out of me Honestly I think it's relatively innocuous - American Dad is better written (in my opinion) and generally doesn't make Trans people punchlines A La Brian vomiting for minutes straight, but plays around with gender concepts (Rodger being Fluid and switching gender with Their persona, The Steve Roller Derby episode) but I'm not confident enough on the topic to say it was or wasn't a dig at Transmasc men. Cheers

[@Silburific]

​@@VespercoldActually, Victor is B8- B7 is Snot (the punchline being that Snot is one of the less conventionally attractive members of not just the band but the show). I only know that off the top of my head because "Shot of B12" is one of those songs that lives rent free in my head.

[@Vespercold]

@@Silburific ha, I never noticed that! I always misread it. That's great! Snot needs more love. It kind of invalidates all my yapping but I'm glad you pointed that out. I also like how he refers to himself as gorgeous and "Pretty" flashes on screen Welp, if that's the case I have no clue at all if Victor is Cis or Transmasc, but I doubt they would intentionally mock them if they were trans. It seems unnecessarily cruel coming from American Dad. I'm glad I'm not the only one with B12 stuck in their head though haha

[@samb3209]

I had no idea Seth McFarland voiced Ida, that truly is the cherry on top of this horrible sundae

[@TRILLANORTH]

It’s basically stewie’s voice as an adult.

[@RainDancer98]

atab: assigned trans at bathroom

[@mavg.]

😂

[@elorrambasdo5233]

So many people have had the cops called on them for being not woman enough for other women in the pisser.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Microphone look like Hat.

[@d3adxb0yxwalk1ng]

it really do look like Hat

[@goodbit11]

The simplicity and authenticity of this comment is spectacular. A true masterpiece.

[@limediamond4595]

True

[@Miraihi]

Print it on my t-shirt.

[@Ironorchids]

I want to sew it a little Cat in the Hat, red and white striped cozy ❤

[@allisoncarter7421]

also what the hell's up with McFarlane still saying "transsexual" like girl this is not the 1950's better terms exist

[@Thrna_1]

But their gender is the same thoughout their life generally (the one they identify with) and their sex is often what's being changed.

[@northstarjakobs]

@@Thrna_1 It's not about whether the term makes more sense or not, it's about the fact that "transsexual" is generally considered to be an outdated term. Also, it can be confusing when you compare it to terms like bisexual or asexual that refer to sexuality and not sex/gender

[@Thrna_1]

@@northstarjakobs I think terms need to be logically coherent to be used and it doesn't confuse for sexuality at all, but yes I would just say trans then.

[@absolutemaniac7368]

I'm trans and I like saying it because it annoys people

[@gavinwilson5324]

@@Thrna_1 The "trans-" prefix doesn't mean "change." The term "transgender" refers to the difference between one's gender identity and their assigned gender at birth, not how anything about them has changed over time.

[@JetblackJay]

20:52 Meg in one of the older episodes was trans briefly they do know about trans men also in regards to Quagmire and Brian, Brian used to be a character who fought for gay rights and the ability for people to be married and Quagmire the shows creator thought it was funny to make him become a Serial R word later in the shows run

[@msjkramey]

​@@winddancer613I haven't watched super recently, but I feel like they were starting to tone it down. Old Family Guy had him have his whole house rigged specifically for r*pe--not sex, r*pe--complete with roofies and restraints. It was very casual

[@metalgearzwei]

Brian’s whole character is about him being a facetious ally, he only cares when it benefits him or makes him seem superior. the rest of the show being poor in quality about such topics is just bad writing; Brian being two-faced is part of his character

[@msjkramey]

@@metalgearzwei do you mean fallacious?

[@lostross]

there was also a cutaway gag where peter was coming out of bottom surgery where the doctor asks what he wants his new name to be, where he looks at his crotch and says “peter” and smiles

[@rickkroll]

​​@@msjkrameyno they mean facetious

[@kagasound3544]

How dare they I'M the first trangender red sox fan smh

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Literal trans erasure

[@TheKally]

to be honest, more than anything, it annoys me that they settled on calling ida quagmires "dad". When a trans woman transitions, its mom, its sister. its okay if the trans person themselves is okay with it, but most are usually not, so having that be the face of trans people on tv is annoying and misleading.

[@thagrammarnazi]

Feels like all the mentions of Chandler’s dad on Friends being gay, and how that ruined his life. The joke at that time was just ‘While this may have happened to select few individuals before it’s still a crazy new idea for the public at large, a gay dad? A “”masculine”” figure who’s described as extremely homoerotic and an effeminate nancy? Mock them, mock them relentlessly before we get used to the idea and have to stop treating their whole existence as some ideological stance that they could change if they were willing to be more like us sane people’

[@thelemon5069]

I mean fwiw it's not default always that way since you know gender is funny. But Ida did seem quite binary

[@superfanmusicmaker]

In her debut episode, Ida even outright says she'd prefer Glenn just call her by her new name when he rants about this ("What do I even call you now? My Dad? My other mother?") but he _still_ calls her Dad for the rest of the episode and the show.

[@MichaelSimmons-d3n]

Damn right.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Trans Episodes should have more Trans People involved in the writing. Also there should be trans episodes with at least three trans people all together at the same time.

[@zab416]

Difficult People had one. A trans women get together was a setup for shennanigans for cis characters so I don't know if it really counts. But it was a fun setup and the trans friend group had different personalities and were all duly ridiculous a la Difficult People characters.

[@marcgonzales4636]

Or.... ,why not just make an original show featuring a main character that happens to be transgender?

[@thelemon5069]

​@marcgonzales4636 you're such a contrarian dude

[@marcgonzales4636]

@@thelemon5069 I'm just using logic for my opinion.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

​@@marcgonzales4636 because trans people are allowed to exist without necessarily being main characters?

[@Fionacle]

Lois is transphobic too, there’s another episode with Ida where there was something everyone was upset about and she was like “Why don’t we girls go to the bathroom” or something and Lois was like “yeah no 😒” like she thought Ida was a man trying to creep on her and her friends

[@iloveplasticbottles]

Shes also said that Ida can drink from a house outside instead of their water or something

[@Pererogatist]

I still can't believe family guy thinks that their 'controversial' humour is funny and ironic. They are just bigoted.

[@marcgonzales4636]

You could save yourself the trouble and simply not watch it.

[@robokill387]

Ah, the classic "don't like it, don't watch it canard that was all the rage in the 2000s.

[@jordanthompson8268]

> Jimmies rustled

[@christopherb501]

​​@@robokill387 Plenty of stuff that mindset can apply to. Not this.

[@henrysurev6908]

@@marcgonzales4636Ah yes, one should just ignore everything transphobic in our society, especially if it is disguised as a “joke”. Where do you think that will lead us?

[@bendy_bone]

I honestly love the frame of Peter on the Jumbotron cus I think it’s funny how it makes him look like he’s the #1 fan of transgender people

[@Critic115]

The "do what you want all the time" joke would be really funny if it was written by a trans person.

[@outbackshaqYT]

So many shitty jokes work when they're from a person or group that you're sure would be saying that ironicly. None of it feels ironic in Family Guy.

[@Critic115]

@outbackshaqYT Truth, disrespectful/weird jokes about marginalised people can be funny to marginalised people from marginalised people. But not from the ignorant or people with power, family guy most definitely punches down.

[@outbackshaqYT]

@@Critic115 it's possible to be out of that group and be funny with those jokes. But it's really got to come with a heavy amount of respect alongside it. This show fails that.

[@Vernal_the_Oryx]

As a trans woman, I actually thought "space cats" was funny when divorced from the rest of the show. That logic leap was worth a chuckle.

[@1visualfxguy]

Space Cats sounds like the title of an '80s cartoon show lol.

[@searchingfororion]

There are a *lot* of trans content creators with cat ears on their "headphones" coincidence... 🤔?

[@ToastBoastOfficial]

@@searchingfororionHELLO INTERNET AND WELCOME TO GAME THEORY!

[@henrysurev6908]

@@searchingfororionI THINK NOT!

[@ToastBoastOfficial]

@@henrysurev6908 the amazings

[@Hi_Phantasy]

The weirdest thing about making an episode where Peter "becomes" transgender is that... didn't they already do that? There was an episode where Peter was acting like a mom for the whole episode or something and joins a mom club where they get annoyed by the fact that he's never actually gone through the experience of pregnancy or something.

[@oceansolstice608]

God that’s bad because even many cis moms haven’t gone through pregnancy and are still valid as mothers…

[@skullamity]

Enjoying the video so far while I deep clean my kitchen, but felt the need to comment: You mention that you don't think the family guy writers know what trans men are/that they exist about 7 minutes in, but in season 4 there's legit an episode where Brian time travels 30 years into the future and in that future, Meg is a trans man named Ron. It's a pretty quick throw-away joke, but does go against the assertion that the writers don't know we exist! Keep up the good work!

[@Ser_Salty]

There's also a very, very early cutaway gag (might literally be in the first episode) where Peter is a trans man.

[@zenmaster8]

okay but ida putting up with a jerk like brian whos ashamed to be seen with her is honestly one of the only spot on things family guy has done with trans people because i know of so many trans people who put up with awful people because they dont think they deserve any better

[@khalakrean6890]

Imagine writing entire episodes about how gross you think a group is and actively show many moments of characters being prejudiced toward them and of real issues they face while also making the idea that this groupe is privileged a main focus of most of those episodes and not for a second stop and go "huuuuuuuum .... this feels... contradictory"

[@regzlots]

i'm just so confused about why the stadium would have a "trans bathroom" in the first place if peter was the first ever "trans person" to use it. why build a whole bathroom for a group of people who supposedly don't attend your events???

[@msjkramey]

I don't think that's the best way to look at it. If disabled people never showed up to a baseball game before because the stadium wasn't accessible, but then the stadium added accessibility, someone would be the first disabled person to go to the stadium

[@AreYouALanguageBuff]

The argument that gay men are disgusted by women's genitals is just sad because I have encountered it in our community. In my experience, way too many queer men do not take the time to deconstruct their heteronormative and misogynistic biases... Anyway love the videos

[@wegotthechoccies]

im asexual and a trans man so i dont like any kind of genitals. but just because you dont find something attractive or appealing doesnt mean you need to react so poorly to it as if its been created to offend you

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Being disgusted by women's genitals isn't the same as misogyny. The aversion to a particular body part can't be extrapolated to a moral judgment against the group that possesses it.

[@ecos889]

To see character mistaken as trans done right see the Peggy Hill Horror Picture Show. Which I think Lily also talks about on this channel.

[@t221000]

That's why King of the hill is my fav

[@Kylora2112]

King of the Hill did it so well, and everyone else keeps fucking it up.

[@thelemon5069]

To be fair she was mistaken for a drag queen but Mike judge clearly didn't fully understand that concept either and made the drag queen character a fish

[@musicsheep9816]

Instead of it being about some dumb "trans work benefits," the episode honestly should have instead had Peter putting on the charade because otherwise, he would be shunned for taking a fat shit in the "trans restroom." It just narratively makes more sense to write the story that way instead if "Peter is greedy"

[@musicsheep9816]

Wouldn't fix the rest of the episode, though. I just think it would have been much better writing for that scene specifically.

[@henrysurev6908]

@@musicsheep9816Of course it wouldn’t fix everything. To do that the entire episode would have to be rewritten

[@sreyarthakrishna6195]

The "Peter discovers Trans Privilege" episode was the single most surreal thing I've ever watched. It takes impressive amounts of effort to be as misinformed about trans issues as the person who wrote that. Like how in the world do you think that's how ... anythink works!! A separate bathroom just for trans people?! That's not something anybody is arguing for, whether on the transphobic or the trans rights side of the debate. And that's just how it starts ... Like genuinely, I think Matt Walsh and J K Rowling understand trans people better than Seth McFarlane.

[@Killrbladez]

I know someone who genuinely would suggest that there doesn't need to be gender neutral bathrooms but trans bathrooms. Like, when I would bring the bathroom debate up she would say "well, since only trans men (meaning trans women) would use it, why not just call it what it is?" And I know that she meant trans women because she kept calling Lia Thomas a trans man.

[@northstarjakobs]

I found the "first transgender red sox fan" joke funny not on its own merits but because I'm a very active baseball fan and when I joined the Patreon Discord server for a podcast I listen to, one of the first people to greet me was a fellow trans person who is a Red Sox fan (if you're in the comments of this video tangy you're a real one), so it just reminded me of that.

[@BG3Addict]

That meta commentary with the lighting was some award worthy stuff

[@viziroth]

god that random systems with out of date names years after you change you name thing does hit hard. You never really realize how many little websites or rewards programs or spam mailers you're signed up for until your name changes and you keep running into places with your old name despite thinking each time "now everything is updated."

[@typicaltransboi6297]

WAKE UP BABE NEW LILY SIMPSON TRANS VIDEO ESSAY JUST DROPPED!

[@Ludzig]

Big cringe

[@koni5883]

@@Ludzig Bad bait

[@фдф]

@@Ludzig child

[@ahliver]

Like honestly how do some of these voice actors not cringe when reading these lines.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Half of them are Seth MacFarlane himself.

[@SimonKnight1023]

They aren’t delusional, woke , crybabies.

[@ahliver]

@@SimonKnight1023 I'm not either and I'd still cringe saying a lot of the lines they do. Like even the "don't rape it back, rape it forward" ??? How is that NOT uncomfortable in the voice studio

[@SimonKnight1023]

@@ahliver What’s the setup?

[@henrysurev6908]

@@SimonKnight1023I can’t take anyone seriously who unironically uses the word “woke”. Please tell me what it means other than “stuff I don’t like”.

[@PpMcgee-vo9jo]

They know about trans men cause Meg is cannonically gonna come out some time after college

[@RatkingNyxu]

Im findingthe fact that Meg is FtM trans ("Ron") in multiple time travel plots being completely forgotten hilarious

[@seyspectra]

Also isn’t Meg actually born male, but Peter got confused and cut something else off, not the umbilical cord. So would Meg be mtftm?

[@jasmijnwellner6226]

That first episode comes across as if the writer wrote a single draft in a ketamine-fuelled haze and then they just recorded it like that.

[@mr.perfectcell1887]

The lighting getting darker is such a bold meta commentary on the nature of transphobia.

[@kaylaa2204]

“They’re supposed to notify the neighborhood” has disgusting implications, like both Brian and Stewie believe trans women are synonymous with sex offenders. And I fear that’s an indication the writers who wrote that scene also thought that. That is horrendously ignorant

[@stulah]

I think it may have been a joke.

[@kaylaa2204]

@@stulah No shit, this is a comedy.

[@stulah]

@@kaylaa2204Just checking you were aware, given your question

[@theironqueen2386]

@@stulah "jews am i right" hahahahaha

[@stulah]

@@theironqueen2386’Wish Upon A Weinstein’ is a great episode, agreed

[@oliverp3545]

The idea of trans people having 'advantage' or benefit for being trans by wider society is hilarious given how we don't even give disabled people the 'benefit' of having ramps or even seats in public.

[@legometaworld2728]

While people can be bigoted unknowingly, if there’s any evidence, even “just in interviews” that it reflects their views, than it’s almost certainly intentional. That’s my view, at least.

[@outbackshaqYT]

Yeah, they just don't think they're being awful >:T

[@brianm959]

OK, as someone who has never seen Family Guy I'm feeling weirdly gaslighted here, because, umm...Brian is a dog right? He sure appears to be a dog? But he talks like a person and is treated a person and nobody finds it odd that a person is DATING A DOG? What the heck is going on here?

[@kingdwargen]

Brian is a dog, and there are other talking animals here and there but it is never consist. The simple fact is, there are few defined rules and if you think about a lot of the world of Family Guy you are left with a confused mess. The simple truth of Brian, he is largely creator Seth Macfarlane's self insert character.

[@timothymclean]

Think of Brian less as a dog and more of a dog-shaped person. Well, a human-shaped-dog-shaped person. And sometimes Family Guy remembers he's a dog long enough to make a dog joke.

[@t221000]

A second video about Family Guy? Lily you are brave

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Heroic, even

[@t221000]

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I admire the heroism

[@francunsulo9756]

Really brave. Unlike Caitlyn Jenner

[@henrysurev6908]

@@francunsulo9756I thought it was pretty brave of her to run over that other guy😊

[@TheChaosCorvid]

Watching the scene with Brian presenting his trans girlfriend to the family hurts because my immediate instinct for a joke there is both trans supportive and way funnier. Just have them all freak out, saying it's gross, Brian gets defensive, then Peter just deadpan says "No Brian, are you crazy? She can do so much better."

[@Frantasia]

Is that my pal lily? Getting a sponsor? jesus now i have to actually contemplate getting a short surfshark sub to show them sponsoring you is worth it.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

With it, you can watch that French Cartoon about Death who apparently transitioned in the current season (I have only watched shorts, I can't tell you more about it tbh. People in the comments want her dad to accept her at least)

[@therecognitionscene3771]

I’ve become completely obsessed with the line and the specific read, “Peter, you used the transgender bathroom so now everyone thinks you’re transgender!” What a plot point.

[@dalexzenteno6565]

being a trans Red Sox’s fan with a pride Red Sox’s pin on my battle vest watching this like 😯

[@Nekrotix12]

Just a thought, ever notice how many episodes are just "Peter pretends to be X because he gets free stuff from it"? Like, the amount of times I've heard Peter say the phrase, "Wait, you mean because I'm X/You think I'm Y/I have Z, I got a free pass to do whatever I want?" in like, at least every other episode. Which I think is mostly just a lazy excuse to get Peter to be allowed to do whatever crazy nonsense he wants, even though he ALREADY is allowed to do whatever he wants with little consequence.

[@Sephirajo]

Never expect much from the desk of a man who joked about a 12 year old almost being old enough for Harvey Weinstein at the... Oscars, I think it was? (And Robert Downey Jr laughed and laughed... )

[@Closer2Zero]

I literally said “that’s disgusting“ reading that bit from Seth

[@crumblyairship]

not gonna lie, the doctor saying "you're a man again" and Quagmire comes flying through the door to punch Peter is the only funny joke in this episode

[@awesomesauseeeee]

as much as i hate transphobia i feel at a certain level this is just run of the mill family guy they do this with literally every minority

[@honeyshuckle9742]

The idea of being told 'this dish is for the gentleman' only for the gentleman in question to be a dog has potential to be funny because... Yeah how do you tell with a dog at a glance. But NOoooooo we had to be transphobic about it.

[@TrappyJenkins]

Sleeping with a trans woman is awful but sleeping with a dog is...fine?

[@thraceburk1683]

as a tgirl who's been to fenway on several occasions, idek if fenway even has a gender neutral bathroom.

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

every single school I have Gone in HAT THE TWO

[@northstarjakobs]

Yeah of all the stadiums to make the transgender bathroom joke at, fenway is probably the least likely stadium to have one

[@Pastellera2video]

@@lasseehrenreich5502??

[@reverendfink779]

Why the hell does Brian care about public opinion in the first place? People will be way more concerned that a person had sex with a dog.

[@a_literalrat1096]

THANK YOU LILY YOU POSTED THIS ON MY BIRTHDAY

[@BluffsCastle]

I wonder if you will also do videos on web shows with trans characters. The adult animated web series Helluva Boss has a minor trans character named Sallie May, the sister of Millie, one of the show’s main characters. Since she’s a minor character, her identity isn’t really focused on, but it’s made clear she’s a trans woman because her horns have thick stripes (a trait associated with male imps in the show) and she has a trans voice actress. She later returned in a short episode where she and Millie have a fun night on the town. There was a slight controversy about sexy merch of Sallie May that depicted her with a bulge, but her voice actress specifically requested that because trans women don’t tuck all the time, and most of the characters get sexy merch anyways. It’s also been confirmed that she will return in future episodes. I don’t know if you’ll like the show itself, since it’s pretty contentious online, with criticisms ranging from “oh it’s cringe” “oh they cuss too much” “oh the creator did XYZ 10 years ago” but I think you’ll like Sallie May. It seems that her voice actress is heavily involved with decisions involving the character which is a good sign.

[@Wallace007-q1x]

Sallie May is a good character. She just needs more episodes to build her up.

[@khalakrean6890]

I didnt know about the merch thing, its one of those moments where things could and should have been handled in advance, i mean come on its helluva boss, people make controversies out of every frame, they should have advertised the Sally merch as being done un collab with her actress immediatly

[@Praecosmile]

Heard but Helluva Boss is daddy issues the show. I can't get into it, it's way too obvious that the creator has some deep personal issues they can't stop writing into their otherwise shallow characters. The most appealing thing about them is their designs, which aren't exceptional and often busy anyway.

[@khalakrean6890]

​@@Praecosmilei dont understand why people keep saying that, difficult relationships with parents is the most common trope in history and no other creator gets accused of writing it because they have daddy issues they project on characters, all of the helluva boss characters have very diffrent reactions to their trauma and their struggles are their varied, you can argue that its not portayed well obviously but saying its all the same is weird

[@nicolasnamed]

​@@Praecosmile It's okay if it's not your cup of tea, but anyone calling it the 'daddy issues show' is literally just being sexist and probably hates queer people.

[@Bbgst2]

Fun fact, i dont know what episode or season this flash back was, but it was one of the eariler ones, where peter says "i remember when i became a man" and then it cuts back to peter in a hostipal bed, and the doctor tells peter to "take a look" and he looks under hia hostipal gown and says "i think im going to name him, peter" which presumes peter is transgender and that he got bottom surgery

[@tuinhoofd1923]

Dropping in to leave a like and a comment for the algorithm, but imma come back to this another time, not feeling emotionally up to it today because I know how this will go aha

[@windmillmedia7555]

Didn't we already get multiple episodes of Peter becoming feminine that didn't go out of their way to go after the trans community?

[@bnashee]

The bathroom thing in the first episode is so confusing too because like... the logic doesn't make sense. If they're assuming he's trans because he used the trans bathroom it begs the question of.... why is there a trans bathroom there at all if it has never been used??

[@unusualusername8847]

Should be noted a big issue with Family's Guy writing is they clearly get their late season ideas for comedy from the internet, when they're not literally ripping off videos they see on social media (Even just playing them with Peter edited in or voicing over them) and as such, they end up recycling a lot of the sense of humor from the edgy part of the internet without much thought on how it'd actually fit into the show.

[@outbackshaqYT]

Glad this is titled as transphobia, not a transgender episode analysis. The creators of familyguy may think it isn't transphobia, but it's also not clear that they'd care.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

I remember finding out that transmedicalism is a thing, IE the belief you have to get surgery to be trans

[@Silver-Arm]

The lighting getting darker was a great meta commentary on the transphobia

[@TheGorepill]

"I dont think the family guy writing team knows what trans men are," while I agree a LOT of people seem to say Trans to mean trans women, this is actually not true! In fact, there's been a cutaway gag of Peter Griffin getting a phalloplasty, and Dr Hartman asking what name he'll go by. Peter then lifts up the blankt to look at his new penis, and says "Peter." I love bringing this up, usually just to have a laugh about it with my fellow trans men/masc friends, calling Peter a "bisexual trans icon," lol.

[@Thecuervogold]

FINALLY! Perfect timing too, got my coffee in one hand and my doobie in the other!

[@spookydivorce]

One thing I wanna point out!!! The Family Guy writers do apparently know what trans men are, as an episode of Stewie meeting a future version of himself exists and, in the same episode, it’s revealed that Meg transitioned into a man. But it seems like the writers believe that trans women are easier/“funnier” to make fun of which is :/ Amazing video btw! :D

[@NickHall-gm1gu]

You have to talk about the princess cookie ep of adventure time

[@christopherb501]

If we're talking that show, gotta talk about BMO.

[@lasseehrenreich5502]

funny enough I would also suggest to her

[@ItsTheFizz]

Lily Simpson: "Aw shit... Here we go again..."

[@niqqaimnutz]

OH MY FAUCI! Thank you for finally addressing this issue! I used to watch Family Guy to ease the pain of dilating until I heard a few transphobic jokes and it TOTALLY ruined my day

[@Bruh-co8sw]

This is so validating!!! Ty sister I'm so happy to hear that.

[@Nangong123]

lmao

[@regzlots]

i'm dying at you playing lil nas x's sun goes down when you say the lighting gets bad bc of the sunset LMAOO

[@cassidyarnold505]

It is still less Transphobic then South Park

[@timothymclean]

I'd say that's a low bar, but it would probably be more accurate to say that out-transphobing South Park is a high bar.

[@sillyaurora]

I have been so obsessed with your videos lately, and I was almost done with all of them, so I’m glad there’s a new long one! I cannot stand any silent moment in my whole life and you are so clever, engaging, and funny I could use your content to avoid ever confronting my own problems. Keep em comin. Thanks.

[@eleSDSU]

Just received extremely distressing news and your video really helped me to get out of my head for a few minutes so more than job well done. Thanks and this is definitely art, the way you dimmed the light as you developed the subject was a brilliant metaphor

[@idontknowwhatmynameshouldbee]

This transphobia always confused me because in another show Seth McFarland wrote, produced, and starred in- The Orville-has such a well written trans character that isn’t just played for laughs

[@plvmenace]

I distinctly remember the episode of Peter being mistaken for a trans woman as the only episode of Family Guy I've watched. I think I was like 12 and my family was staying at a hotel so we were just watching whatever on cable and this episode came on. It was one of my first introductions to the concept of being transgender. I don't think I was fully paying attention because I only ever remembered two things from that episode. I remembered the scene of Peter being mistaken for being trans (although I now realize that I didn't remember it correctly. Until now I thought that Peter went into the women's bathroom and went along with the trans thing because he didn't want to be seen as a creepy man spying on women) and the speech that Ida gave about being trans. Now after hearing about the episode in it's entirety, I'm glad I remembered so little of it.