Children of Louis XVI & Marie Antoinette

[@jocelynw6405]

Thanks for featuring intriguing historical figures eclipsed underneath their famous/iconic relations' shadow! They may not take center stage, but their experiences & stories are equally insightful & significant! Marie Therese should have a spinoff biopic or a historical fiction novel written in her honor. Survivor's guilt, grief, & depression must have plagued her during the Reign of Terror & not long after she was rescued. Despite her tragedies, she was lucky compared to others (Romanov family 👀)Can't blame her for growing bitter, who wouldn't in her shoes, but she was impressive in her own right. The French Revolution PR really was successful brainwashing mainstream society to think Marie Antoinette was frivolous & flippant when reality couldn't be further from the truth.

[@emilybarclay8831]

I mean, the royal family were frivolous and indulgent, but no more than any other royal or high noble family. You can hardly blame people who had to watch their children waste away from lack of food for hating a family who ate feasts off silver plates. The nobles of the time clearly saw this, and used the royal family as scapegoats so the people wouldn’t turn on them even though they were as guilty as the royals

[@cinna_sultan]

@@emilybarclay8831 The revolutionary government went too far. At the end of the day there were children involved and the accusations thrown at Marie Antoinette was disgusting.

[@LenaFerrari]

Absolutely!! Couldn't have put it better myself

[@VeracityLH]

Susan Nagel wrote an in depth biography of Marie Therese called "Marie Therese, Child of Terror: The Fate of Marie Antoinette's Daughter." I highly recommend it. Her struggles after the Revolution to do the right thing with honor, protect her parents' legacy, and obey the successor kings (her paternal uncles) is a hellluva story.

[@zeenatbaer138]

Many royals are frivolous and flippant but that doesn't mean they aren't nice people, it's more about ignorance ... unaware or uncaring of the masses of poor hard working 'peasants ' upon the backs of whom their extreme wealth was created.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Marie Antoinette was no more extravagant than any other royal or wealthy noble at the time, the nobles used her as a scapegoat because a) she was foreign and they feared the power of her family and b) it helped take the heat off of them when they were able to point the angry mobs at someone else

[@oliviaspring9690]

She actually was overspending as evidenced by the audits that were done and released to the public ( many letters to Marie from family, Louis, and government officials who dealt with the royal coffers show evidence of asking her to severely cut back on her spending). For example she had the entire area around Petite Trianon completely re-landscaped. The French state was heavily in debt, and although much of that was caused by many lost wars and bad harvests, which her spending did not help. Essentially see was prone to overspending but it wasn’t so extreme that it was a sole cause of the revolution.

[@gabsolute]

@@oliviaspring9690 tons of French monarchs were overspending. For example Louis XIV spent half of France’s income on Versallies. The financial ruin just hit is breaking point when Marie and Louis were on the throne.

[@aliciahowell9617]

I think the heavy blame for France’s debt was misplaced on Marie Antoinette’s due to her being Austrian. The long history of warring between France and the Holy Roman Empire led to extreme hatred of everything Austrian. Massive overspending had been an established issue well before Louis XIV built Versailles. Marie Antoinette never stood a chance in gaining the redirect much less admiration of the people of France. Publications snd papers referred to Marie Antoinette as the “Autrichienne” which translates to “that Austrian B%*^h” before she even stepped foot in France. The building of Versailles set the country on a road to doom of overspending while the public starved. Blaming the foreign princess was an easy way for the people to express their displeasure with the crown without actively criticizing the king. A large portion of France’s debt was also due to their support of the Americans in our Revolutionary War against France’s other greatest foe the British. Marie Antoinette was an easy target for critics who falsely attributed her to saying “Let them eat cake”. She lived at a level she was expected to as the Queen of France which she felt extremely uncomfortable with upon her arrival. Louis, Marie and her children paid an appalling price for multiple generations of exploitation of the poor. The abuse her son suffered including being abused, neglected and sodomized by adult male guards. He was tortured until he became a nonverbal, animal like being. There’s a book about her children’s ordeal is the stuff of nightmares. Everyone who actually knew her all said she was an adoring mother who was placed in a role with a weak, unprepared young king that both were not capable of managing. History tends to vilify the women of powerful men to avoid placing blame on those who actually made policy at the time.

[@sunshine44940]

@@aliciahowell9617 what books?

[@aliciahowell9617]

@@sunshine44940 Sorry had to go look upstairs for the titles. There’s “The Lost King of France: The Tragic Story Behind Marie-Antoinette’s Favorite Son by Deborah Cadbury and “Marie Therese :The Child of Terror” by Susan Nagal. There’s another about Louis Charles that I checked out from the library and can’t seem to remember the title. I’ll look in line and see if I can find it. I think a large part of the French hatred for Marie Antoinette also was connected to her mother being the Holy Roman Emperor in a time where women did not hold power. Her mother also exhibited a high level of control and then eventually influence over Marie-Antionette and that scared the men in control. It was well known Louis was not suited nor prepared for the role of king and rivals for power feared her and thus her mother’s influence on the king.

[@Smoobles]

It will never cease to amaze me how cruel human beings can be to one another. The fact that those children were subjected to such cruelty, especially the boys, is nothing short of horrifying. How any adult could gleefully treat a child such a way is beyond me. Love you videos! Please keep them coming!!!

[@ladystarfall1539]

I totally agree.

[@Liitebulb]

It's their form of entertainment. They're still sick today, just don't advertise it

[@hagelslag9312]

It's a vicious cycle. A healthy boundary to learn is 'no'. But at one point you're so rich and 'important', that the word no, no longer exists. This will create unhealthy standards and boundaries. If this is your upbringing and you were never told no, other people are nothing but pions/npc's.

[@sheluvssmokedupeyes1]

Demons and devils that’s my explanation for the people that hurt children I swear demon possessed

[@shadelings]

@@sheluvssmokedupeyes1 That's pure fantasy. Humans can easily be diabolical without any supernatural influence.

[@kristenrock7783]

Marie Antoinette really loved children. She truly cared for the children of her servant's when most queens probably make them servants or throw them in the street's. Marie gets a bed rep, she made mistakes, but she truly wasn't an evil "bitch" as she is still painted out to be. I am so glad you did this video; I pray she will be seen in a respectful light now, then before.

[@di3486]

She was just trying to cope with her loveless marriage. How many women today are filling up their credit cards because of the same reason.

[@peacefulinvasion684]

Both her and King Louis were pretty good people. They actually cared for the commoners. Neither of them were properly trained for the roles that were forced upon them. Their stories are rather tragic.

[@kimm.8800]

It was actually quite common and expected for a queen in those days to "adopte" (foster) poor children, especially children of their servants. Its just not commonly known by non-historians nowadays.

[@ssansu]

@@di3486 Eyeroll. Women in her position did not expect "love" in their marriages. It was a marriage of state. She had no say in who she married.

[@di3486]

@@ssansu duh. Thanks for pointing it out, Captain obvious.

[@thequeen321]

The fact she taught her daughter to not be snobby and invite lower rank children to play with her shows that Marie wasn’t a bad extravagant snobbish ostentatious woman people thought she was, and all those hideous things they did to her CHILD was too much the only villain I see here is the revolutionary

[@est9949]

Disagree with the 'only' part. People don't suddenly risk their own lives to challenge the monarch, unless their situation is really terribly dire.

[@meriem0710]

@@est9949 Marie Antoinette paid for the failures of the previous monarchs and her being an Austrian justified for the revolutionaries to take all their anger and cruelty on her and her child, the way they tortured her child exposed the resentment they had for her and Austria

[@charlottecardonnel6182]

From what I understood of french revolution (french girl speaking) it was really an awfull situation all around. The common folk was dying of hunger following the volcanic eruption of the volcano in iceland. Also nobles and clerics had ALL the lands, riches, and decisionnal power. The people was represented at the place they made decisions, but when theses men tried to shed light on the dyre situation of the common folk, they were purely ignored. The revolution was completely out of control, and people did awfully cruel things to people undeserving of their wrath (to cleric people, noble, but also between each others) at the end, it was only for the benefit of the middle class, merchand and other. What can be learnt from this dark page of french history, is, revolutions, even with the best intentions in mind, if they are blood-driven, will only shed more blood, call more violence, and end in tragedy that will satisfy nobody. Napoleon was able to took control of the country because people were terrified of each others. He retablished order, and even if it meant stepping back from all the good people fought for at the time (like freedom to speach etc) they prefered the end of the madness. And if you want a sort of "villain" In the french revolution, I would say, with my little to non-existent education on the matter, it was the particular group who wanted to kill everyone ; royalties, clerical folk, and the other mouvement of the revolutionaires who wanted a peacefull transition (spoiler : they were like, the first to be beheaded to lady Guillotine). The french revolution shake all of europe, and inspired the US to take independance. But it was an awfully dark time. When driven by fear, violence, anger and hate, things can only go for the worst. What really make my heart sank in marie's and louis's story, is that they were this close to came out alive from the revolution. Things were going better, people started to trust the royals again. And then they made this ill advice tentative to flee, that, if I'm correct, ignited the rage of the people with no turning back. It's important to understand that in time of chaos, it's were we have to be compassionnate the most. The real fight is not to succomb to the thrill of violence

[@charlottecardonnel6182]

(What they did to the dauphin though, was awfull, awfull, awfull. I agree with you. No one in their right mind should NEVER see THAT as a positive, or a "necessery evil" Or other crap like this, regardless of their opinion on history or the side they were in. It was inhuman and disgusting. )

[@pandoraheartsvd]

People always sympathize with the rich. The royal classes often never cared for the commoners. They'd turn a blind eye to their constant starvation and other hardships.

[@heden1460]

I didn't know that maarie Antoinette had adopted so many children. I knew she only had the daughter who lived, but wasn't sure how the others had died. This was interesting. Thanks for posting the video.

[@shemha]

So heart breaking that they did this to them. Although they were ignorant and nonchalant monarchs who didn’t care for their people, the treatment that their children especially the dauphinois received was truly shocking.

[@littlemyy2979]

Well, the people who started and participitated on the French Revolution weren't the most virtuous either, as it turned out. It all ended in the reign of terror and insane bloodshed anyway.

[@cinna_sultan]

@@littlemyy2979 Thay's true but that doesn't mean that the innocent children deserve to suffer. They didn't do anything to cause it, they were only kids

[@ccgrey8731]

@@cinna_sultan MA was only a young teen when she was sent to Versailies. Louis-Augustus and MA had to become king and queen when they were still only adolescents.

[@jandm4ever716]

Reminds me lots of the Romanovs. The children shouldn’t have had to paid for their parents negligence

[@littlemyy2979]

@@cinna_sultan Of course, the children were innocent. It's just very ironic that the revolution supporters thought that they were overturning the monarchy for a good cause but their own actions (like torturing children) proved them to be even worse.

[@JVP1TER]

The part of Louis-Charles made me pause the video and genuielly shed some tear for that poor boy.

[@damonika09]

Listening what they did to her youngest son is heart wrenching. I almost cried listening.

[@tcxbts]

me too😢 i've watched many videos from this channel and this is the first one that left me deeply disturbed

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

My stomach churned. I hope the cobbler died some horrible death. How he wasn’t even punished slightly I don’t know.

[@karenfraser5518]

I felt the same way. I had a horrendous feeling in my stomach. That poor boy. I have no idea how people can enact this treatment on anyone especially the vulnerable.

[@jarandom181]

Same it hurt me deeply to hear how they treated a little boy just because of who his parents were.

[@Poopipantz1]

It is heartbreaking how Marie, her husband, and children were treated. I get that the mob was angry, but there was no reason to treat them so awful. Poor children.

[@clairewonderfullife8819]

Her children didn't do anything but had to suffer because of their parents. SO UNFAIR

[@shareemrasyidi9948]

Sadly often times the children who are not involved with their parents in case of royalty still got pretty much same treatment, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette childrens and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia childrens included where while it was understandable the mobs was angry with their parents, it was still no excuse for leading their child to their undeserving brutal death in the end

[@fabs8498]

@@shareemrasyidi9948Their own children were dying. That's why they made a revolution.

[@altinaykor364]

@@fabs8498 your children dying somehow gives you excuse to abuse other people's children! what a psychotic people you are! and I see how much revolution kept the children of commoners safe and alive in the most epic way🤣🤡

[@Momof4kidsand3dogs]

@@fabs8498correct but the point the commenter is making is that it is unfair the children were tortured and abused because of who their parents were. Which they aren’t wrong. It’s really sad that children were forced to pay for the sins of their parents

[@roxfoxreal6882]

I can't even imagine subjecting anyone to the horrible and inhumane treatment they did to Louis Charles, but to realize he was only 10 at the time is just even more horrifying.

[@clairewonderfullife8819]

Heartbreaking. I nearly cried.

[@khiaaltima6152]

Not even that, that’s just when it ended because they had him in such poor conditions that he died, this all happened to him before he had even reached 10.

[@user-oj7bn5fq4m]

Louis and Marie actually loved each other, in my opinion. There’s lots of blogs that talk about this and it’s a common misconception that they were a “mismatch” and her “alleged” affair with Fersen (that I do not believe happened for a lot of reasons). Lots of contemporaries and their surviving daughter talked about their love for each other. If you don’t believe they loved each other, you still can’t deny they were partners in raising their children. Great episode, Lindsay.

[@booliev3275]

I believe they were mismatched, but the tragedy of the revolution brought them extremely close. And at the time of their death they deeply in love. Undoubtedly they were good people but they grew up in a environment and cultured that left them indifferent toothed suffering of their people and they didn't grab the opportunity of a constitutional monarchy.

[@larissabraz4056]

I think they loved each other, but not a romantic love

[@jiaminghuang4505]

There are sources that claim they did eventually grow to love each other. They were often seen taking walks outside the palace together and right before execution, they wrote affectionate letters to one another and thanking each other for their company.

[@janetdamnit21]

I think in the beginning it was a TOTAL mismatch! At the age of 14 she was known for her beauty and charm. Louis was chubby and awkward lol but I think with time they became great friends and with children their love and devotion grew for each other. Axle is the man MA chose for herself. The man she would have had a life with if she wasn’t chained to her husband. Axle was her great love. Louis was her great friend and the person she knew best. In the end her devotion for Louis trumped the love for Axle. Louis was her friend and her family and she did love him immensely. She had a chance to escape but chose to stand by her husband’s side to be his support and his courage. A wife’s place is by her husband and children should be with their father.

[@ScarletASV]

I do believe they loved each other as friends and partners in a family, but not necessarily romantically. They also had fierce loyalty for the other, specially in the end. For what arranged marriages used to be, they were lucky to have this love and companionship in their marriage.

[@michellehegarty5541]

My heart breaks for Louis Charles. The poor child went through so much.

[@MillieFitzgerald-c1p]

why would you do that to a little boy? 😭

[@Rogerramjet4321]

It’s astounding that it was Marie’s brother who discovered why the royal couple weren’t having children. Were the doctors incompetent?

[@--enyo--]

There’s no evidence he had phimosis. Most historians look at his hunting journal and there’s no gap in his schedule that this surgery would have necessitated. In addition back then it would have been quite dangerous so it’s unlikely the doctors would be keen to perform it anyway. Otherwise in terms of the actual birds-and-the-bees side of things it seems it was an open secret, however it needed to come from another monarch/family.

[@hazelmeldrum5860]

Only a brother could be really blunt and as he was independent and going home then no lingering embarrassment.

[@ankhpom9296]

Back then MDs were more likely to kill you than help you.

[@alperry02]

The treatment of the children was especially horrendous

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

I almost feel there is nothing to be proud of in the French Revolution. Hearing how the treated the young dauphin made me feel sick, and being a history major, I’ve studied a lot of sickening parts of history.

[@Liitebulb]

It's revolting. Imagine how many other people are treated like this

[@altinaykor364]

There's nothing to be proud about it! Trust me

[@jonatikaWwe]

Indeed

[@lowelldaniel-nq5dr]

Destroying tombs ...yeah very horrendos

[@aceofspades8634]

Fascinating topic! I know this is slightly off-topic, but I’ve always been captivated by the life of Abram Petrovich Gannibal. He was the adopted (African) son of Peter I of Russia, an extraordinary military general, and as a bonus, the great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin. I don’t think I’d be exaggerating if I’d say this was one of the most “successful” adoptions in European royal history.

[@LindsayHoliday]

I'm working on a video of prominent black people in 18th century Europe. I'll add him to the list, thanks!

[@aceofspades8634]

@@LindsayHoliday I can’t wait!! Your videos make my Tuesday’s :)

[@Replicaate]

I believe his son (and grandson?) was a notable military presence during the reigns of Elizabeth and Catherine II, but I might be wrong.

[@aceofspades8634]

@@Replicaate Yeah, that’s right! I think you’re talking about his oldest son, Ivan (Abram had 10 children if I remember correctly).

[@DemonaLlama]

I think Dan Snow’s kids are descended from him

[@bellebelle7868]

I feel Marie is misjudged by history. I mean you can tell a lot about a person actions- and they show that she was a very thought, kind and strong woman

[@jonatikaWwe]

History is written by the winners! 🙃

[@bedazzledmisery6969]

Imagine going to your wedding night accompanied not only by your dauphin husband, but the entire dang French court, nobility, pope, servants, their aunties AND the kitchen sink!! 😵‍💫 And then have that whole rodeo happen again during that whole "witnessing royal childbirth" thing... "Traumatic" is an understatement for how awful that experience must have been for Marie!

[@tell-me-a-story-]

Then-Give the couple ZERO privacy at all. Also then-WhErE ArE AlL ThE BaIBiEs?

[@lindacoolbaugh962]

Great Video. I never knew Marie Antionette and King Louis adopted children. So heartbreaking what her son had to go through and his sister having to hear that. Amazed she survived as long as she did.

[@November_892]

Don’t forget she would’ve been my friend.. always breaks my heart.

[@doreensika837]

Wow it’s amazing how slander can ruined someone, just words but all so powerful. She seemed like a good person to me. I had no idea she adopted many kids. This is why I am not quick to believe what people say about someone.

[@peggysyri3193]

Apparently the whole let them eat cake wasn't said by her either. I think during the French revolution, they were saying many lies against her just to justify her execution

[@Tinkerbe11]

Fake News has a long history.

[@doreensika837]

@@peggysyri3193 imagine if they had social media in those days, even though they didn’t have it look at how it was able spread to the people. This is why I am suspicious about these rumors about Harry and Meghan.

[@est9949]

Rumors about celebrities are most of the time untrustworthy, especially rumors about female or queer celebrities, who are often subjected to misogynism and queer phobia. Especially queer ppl who don't fit into the gender stereotypes, e.g. women with short hair, men in dress--they're the most often to get attacked. Same as black and foreigners, such as Meghan who is subjected to racism and xenophobia by the British press, most of which have a journalism quality of a tabloid..

[@doreensika837]

@@est9949 very true

[@Lulu-ut9pv]

MA sounded she had a lot of love to give, to even say "she would have been my friend" when someone said such cruel words.....

[@starlite04]

That broke my heart.

[@raniself7979]

I have always love Marie Antoinette. It’s so nice to watch this video and read others’ comments

[@coronajewelry]

the evil that was done to her youngest child is just unimaginable. And for Marie terese she maybe had unhappy childhood but at least the rest of her life was overall happy she escaped republic of France then they begged her to return as queen and so she was and she still survived till old age

[@veiledrecalcitrance4314]

All my life I had assumed based on what I had learned in school and other sources that Louis and Marie were self indulgent monsters who could care less if the French people starved to death, but in recent years through more information my opinion has drastically changed, I feel sorry for them both more than anything else. Louis was somewhat weak willed and didn’t want to be king, and Marie was homesick and didn’t really want to be queen, but responsibility and being manipulated and forced into actions (or lack of action) by the nobility buried them both. It’s a shame too, because they seemed to be decent people for the most part but have gone down in history as assholes because the people around them were the actual monsters. Then the “revolutionaries” turned out to be just as bad if not worse than the royals they claimed were so monstrous. Was just an awful era for France in general

[@pfranks75]

I guess you didn’t read any history books growing up. My father and mother both high school drop- outs encouraged myself and 5 sisters to read.

[@blueribenaberry]

@@pfranks75 Lucky you. Plenty of us grew up in an environment surrounded by people who couldn’t care less what or indeed if we learn anything so we have to do the educational work ourselves as adults.

[@creamdelacreme]

History is written by the victors. So the rebels ended up in power ultimately and it’s their version of events that the general public still remember today.

[@booliev3275]

where do you get your history facts? Hollywood's series and movies?

[@alex_is_out]

Armand has a very interesting story. I understand he might not have wanted to leave his family when he was younger, but to betray his adoptive parents after so many years. I wonder what happened to cause such a bad relationship

[@chrystianaw8256]

He was truly an ungrateful brat

[@altinaykor364]

He was soon punished by the universe, just like every other revolutionaries of the time! and he didn't even lived enough to see where Marie Antoinette ends. So what does that tell you???

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

21:40 Sad thing about the burial, the jar containing Louis XVII’s heart was carried by Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma, his 1st cousin, six times removed. At the time, he was only 12 years old

[@tessat338]

This is honestly one of the best episodes that you have ever done. You let the events and people speak for themselves. Well done!

[@Midnightsstan521]

I’ve always wondered what Marie Thérése and Robespierre discussed during his meeting with her in prison at the Tuilieres in 1795. Did he admit to his role in her family’s death? Did she curse him for what he had done? Maybe she still didn’t know what became of her parents, and begged to see them It seems like a goldmine for historical theorists

[@altinaykor364]

Do you happen to remember that Robespierre wasn't alive in 1795 anymore?

[@Chysll69]

😞the 10 year old boy didn’t deserve that treatment that he got . And Marie children died so young and still so sad that lived and saw her children abuse and death :((

[@lucillenumber2]

I read Antonia Fraser's Marie Antoinette bio and I believe it was said that Count Axel (Marie's lover) planned the family's escape and was either with them or near them until they were caught. What's interesting about their capture is that King Louis exited the carriage and began to talk to the townspeople as I believe this was something he enjoyed doing. Unfortunately, that alone was the reason they did not escape. **Feel free to correct me if I am wrong**

[@booliev3275]

Fresen was with them for a part of the journey, but he had to leave...

[@jeebanjeeban87]

that and his insistence to bring the crown jewels that eventually gave away of who they are when escaping

[@ankhpom9296]

He was none too smart and to try to run away with their lives in a fancy coach laden with a heavy load of luxuries was quite dumb. Really dumb.

[@juicy3545]

It seems like Marie was a very kind woman, she had flaws but she was human. Marie was a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@wildemthefem5773]

Please do more videos on French history. I’ve only recently gotten into learning about it, and I’m blown away. So much of what happened in France in the last several hundred years, had a huge impact on modern western culture and the US (where I live) in general. We weren’t taught much about France in school, and I’d love to know more. Thanks!

[@elisegauvin8262]

I’m not very sympathetic to Marie-Antoinette, but I do believe she was as good of a mother as she was allowed to. The story of her children is so tragic, especially Louis-Charles’. My heart sinks every time I hear about his lonely death at only ten 💔

[@kennikitty]

Marie Antoinette was by no means a saint, but she was set up to fail from start to finish. History paints her way worse than she actually was. Yes, she was overspending, but it's not like she was responsible for France's debt alone. Hell, it was neither Marie Antionette nor her husband how built Versailles for half of Frances total income. She was naive, young and not prepared for her role when she became Queen. She wasn't the worst monarch, neither was her king. The time they were on the throne was horribly unfortunate thanks to a long list of bad decisions from former monarchs. Like I said, they were no saints, but Marie Antionette specifically became the scaegoat and the embodiment of everything bad and that's not accurate. What happend to her innocent children is just incredibly sad. Humans are cabale of horrible things. The people responsible of torturing her youngest son were monsters.

[@elmin82]

yes right poor boy

[@joshuaowensjr8694]

She was a good person

[@Farrah300]

Lindsay, thank you so much for this eye-opening video. It is one thing to punish King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. But MERCY SAKES!!! The way those children were treated is atrocious!!! They were innocent victims.

[@nevercatchwind]

Marie Therese daughter of Marie Antoinette is such an intetesting hidtorical figure, her history nicely presents what A tumoultus time she lived in. Marie Antoinette and her children didn't deserved The treatnent. She had no political influence. Sure she spended lavishly but such was her upbringing. The children were totally innocent in this, poor Louis Charles. Yet it's hard to not look at the events of french revokution and revokution of 1830 as influencing other countries,revolutions and uprisings followed

[@emmanone621]

nauseating what they did to that poor boy. maybe we’ll get a movie about the girls who were kicked out of boarding school

[@cinna_sultan]

There could be one on Marie Therese Ernestine de Lambriquet died in 1803, had Marie Therese arrived in France a year earlier she may have reunited with her adoptive sister

[@Natasha-ew6qu]

"You people do not need an angel to save you, but a demon to vent your feelings on." The player as Queen Marie Antoinette Time Princess

[@ibqmely]

Surely Marie Therese lived up to her grandmother's name, such a strong and resilient woman she was.

[@dorderre]

"... until yet another revolution in 1848 toppled him and France became a republic for good" - until a few years later Napoleon's nephew crowned himself emperor ;)

[@est9949]

My biggest sympathy goes to the poor citizens of France who had to live under anarchy after anarchy. Each revolution means more dying people and jailed dissenters.

[@cyrilmarasigan7108]

@@est9949 or the another guilliotined or another mad rulers but i do feel bad for suburban people they f**king don't know what is happening

[@BeansInThePark]

Even on a day where I don’t feel the best, I enjoy just listening. Despite a raging migraine, my inner history nerd is happy. Thanks for making enjoyable content 😊

[@BossALKENO]

I’m not saying Marie Antoinette didn’t need to die to secure the revolution, but I am saying that her last words were “sorry” to the executioner for accidentally stepping on his foot.

[@dolphineachonga555]

They didn't need to die. Some mornachies were retired without all the cruelty and violence.

[@altinaykor364]

she absolutely didn't need to die! not just because the accusation against her was false and evil, but the fact that killing her, ruined every possible way to make peace with the rest of the Europe, and how that kind of unpopularity and war ended? revolution managed to exist by killing her? hah

[@sujimtangerines]

​@@dolphineachonga555Quite grateful that the Germans have a word to describe my feelings about how Robespierre met the same fate as Louis & Marie Antoinette and that he was beheaded for becoming the kind of tyrant the King & Queen - for all their faults - were never accused of. (The word is Schadenfreude.)

[@tell-me-a-story-]

The story of that young lady who discovered that her mother, little brother, and aunt were dead, after she had already lost her father... I don’t know what I would DO if I were her!

[@linasalazar4906]

That was just... I had to stop the video for a bit on what the revolutionists did to Louis-Charles and had to dry heave. How can grown adults do such horrible things to a 10 year old??? It was inhuman! (Side note: while Marie was turning 15 in November of that year, the marriage was actually in May so she was actually 14 when she and Louis got married.)

[@ankhpom9296]

The people that did this were from the peasantry, uneducated in many ways including ethics, morality and decency.

[@victoriadunnock9143]

Your videos never disappoint!

[@claireemilycook]

what’s the most tragic of their whole story is Marie genuinely demonstrated herself to be a person of highest character and was killed because of the circumstances she had no control over

[@ImpressDivinity]

I love the way they were collecting children like pokemon ❤️ i believe they more than likely had beautiful hearts and simply weren't given the time to reach their fullest potential as rulers

[@MorningGlory62]

Wow, far more tragic than I previously heard.

[@VeracityLH]

Excellent video about some of the more obscure royal connections. We most often hear about Ernestine due to rumors that she was the King's daughter and that she somehow switched places with Marie Therese. Jacques/Armand I knew some about through reading on Marie Antoinette as struggles to get pregnant. The rest I've heard of little if at all, much less what happened to them; both bios of the king and queen and novels tend to drop side characters once the Revolution begins. Thanks for bringing some much needed light to these forgotten children.

[@jarandom181]

Your videos are so well done and fascinating. This one moved me deeply. There are so many cruel acts in the royal histories but the treatment of the youngest boy was appaling.

[@eimearinez]

Wow I thought that the King Louis and Marie Antoinette were the last King and Queen of France learned a lot in this one video

[@JY-vh3be]

Same here. Thanks for the clarification Lindsay.

[@kik2940]

There's many last King and Queen of France, I didn't know who was who

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

Actually, Marie was the last Queen of France. Louis XVII never married, obviously, Napoleon’s wives were Empresses, Louis XVIII and Charles X’s wives died before they became King, Louis Philippe I’s wife was “Queen of the French”, not Queen of France, and Napoleon III’s wife was, once again, an Empress

[@positivelybeautiful1]

Wow, such suffering for Queen Antoinette &the King Louis the XVI and her children, especially, her son Louis Charles, such cruelty and abuse to an 8 y.o. (Beatings, prostitutes brought in to molest him in hoping to give him venerable disease. Also, who knew that she adopted 6 children, one of whom is an African boy from Senegal. He was sent to her as a slave as a gift, but she set him free, and adopted him. Although, he was not allowed to live at the palace, she sent him to a boarding school. This story should be made into a movie. Everything has a price, doesn’t it. Being royalty has its price.

[@lashawnwilson9805]

Let's not forget that Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI were CHILDREN. This lifestyle was FORCED onto them.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Initially, yes. But they were 37 and 38 when they died. Middle aged by today’s standard, and past middle age by those day’s standard. They absolutely did have the chance to not live as lavishly. But they didn’t deserve death. Just to lose the wealth they didn’t earn

[@sailorcentrist5077]

She seemed like a sweet woman. I feel bad that she got blamed for everything even though it really wasn't her fault.

[@mads855]

This episode made me cry several times. 😭 Watched it Christmas morning while I was cooking breakfast and my husband is like... Stop crying out something happy on! Lol

[@Replicaate]

There's a story that Michel Ney, one of Napoleon's former generals absolutely went OFF on Marie Therese about how while she was sipping tea in England and fretting about her titles, he was being shot at and seeing men die to preserve the very existence of France. When Napoleon returned in 1815, he was sent to capture and jail the old emperor but instead joined him - then Waterloo happened, Ney survived but was arrested and executed for high treason against the crown, even though there was MASSIVE public protest against it and even Lord Wellington said it was a bad move, since Ney was a hero to the people of France no matter if they were Bonapartist or Royalist. Notably, Madame Royale was one of the biggest advocates for his execution within the Bourbon family, and so he was shot. Odds are the Ney had a serious case of old timey PTSD (and heck, Marie probably did too) which made him shout at her and he indeed saw horrific things during his service, but you gotta wonder if he'd known more about her horrible teen years he might've been more sympathetic.

[@kathleenseligmytatterednto8560]

I'm going to have nightmares over what they did to Louis Charles. That poor baby. I'm disgusted

[@Liitebulb]

Disgusting

[@frankstoeknife3685]

I’ve always felt so bad for them, especially Marie Antoinette though oh and the poor little boy in particular who they forced to accuse his mother 😢😭all of it makes me so sad. I’m American and I understand why they needed a revolution, but I don’t understand how it was carried out and I don’t think anything should have been done to the royal family like that, downright criminal. Tragic terrible stories all the way around for every single person involved, on both sides no doubt. 😢sad

[@SofiaPetrilloSicily]

“Don’t forget that she would have been my friend…” 😢

[@Emily_Charley]

I'm currently watching the new series about Marie Antoinette which is really good. It's sad how they blamed her for not getting pregnant and all the other things. All trumped up charges

[@ellicel]

I didn’t realize there’s a series about her. Where?

[@missmadhattersammie7298]

@@ellicel it's on Binge atm

[@kennikitty]

It was normal to blame the women when something went wrong. It was also normal to blame to women when they gave birth to girls instead of boys. Like they had any say it it... they didn't know how genetics worked back then and obviously it had to be the womens fault.

[@louem2491]

Men really didn’t like the fact a woman could hold any kind of power did they. Cleopatra, Hypatia, Catherine the Great, Jeanne d’Arc, Queen Marie Antoinette, Boudicca, Queen Anne Boleyn, Queen Mary I, the list goes on…..all publicly vilified, humiliated, & hunted 😢 These days though it’s seems it’s more so us women who are behind the toxicity towards todays women of power, which is quite sad considering how many were emotionally and/or physically destroyed for us to reach this point in time where we have a voice.

[@Liitebulb]

They still don't, doesn't help that women help them or look fhe other way

[@meganhuggins7494]

Jean Amilcar was placed into an institution for children at Saint Cloud when the family was forced to leave Versailles. He had been in the care of one of the house boys. Marie Antoinette continued to pay for his upkeep, until the money ran out and he was turned out into the streets where he died of starvation.

[@leishlam8363]

As a mother of a nine year old boy, this breaks my heart.

[@casandramacias7991]

When I tell you I couldn't stop sobbing.

[@tranquilletribe9331]

Your videos are like a reward after a hard day❤

[@Kat-cp4cl]

The only half told and probably not accurate information I had on Marie Antoinette was once watching Kirsten Dunst in “Marie Antoinette”. 😬😫 I had no idea she had so many children and some adopted! This is such a tragic thing! 😢 I felt the WORST for the son that was passed around to lady’s of the night, all scarred up, and traumatized!! Heartbreaking! Thank you for this video! I’ll curious and will be looking for more on Marie and her family.

[@JuliahistoryLover]

This is horrific what happened to themed. Antoinnette should be known as someone who adopts underprivileged children instead of “let them eat cake”, that’s all we know today she should have a different legacy, more compassionate towards her memory.. and Does Anyone know why no other neighboring kings or queens came to their rescue? It sounds like there was plenty of time for a rescue mission.

[@lianefehrle9921]

There was a lot of information about the children I didn’t know about. I do enjoy your channel

[@TheTwil1]

Oh look, once the king was “cured” it was no longer the queens fault there was no children🤨

[@ElisabethofAustria1837]

Fun fact! Axel von Fersen, the lover of Marie Antoinette, had a sister named Sophie von Fersen (married Piper). What if princess Sophie was named after Axel's sister because she was really Axel's daughter and not Louis'?

[@BriarMB13]

I keep trying to come up with something clever or witty about Light of all people being in this comment section. I am just delightfully baffled instead

[@cyrilmarasigan7108]

No Axel left the Royal court to Sweeden during Sophies conception and Birth, During Sophies conception the Monarchy is in dire in flames and i think Axel knew that it wasn't good or he left to go to sweeden because he is summoned by the king and nobility at that times

[@ANTO-ln5rp]

Axel von Fersen isn't confirmed as a lover of Marie Antoinette, some people believe it's true and some people not.

[@destinyclark4133]

Axel wasn’t even in France during the time of Sophie’s conception.

[@DawnOldham]

I began listening and for some reason went to the comments where I read some spoilers about how the children were treated so horridly! I decided I’m not in a place to listen to that so, perhaps I will come back later. PS I love your videos and how you narrate!

[@seetodk]

So much information I wasn’t aware of-thank you.

[@glenngilbert7389]

Well measured presentation with an excellent pace throughout.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Louis-Antoine was forced to resign by his own father, who wanted his 5 year old grandchild on the throne, to continue to reign through him, that's why Louis Antoine reigned only 20 minutes ^^ But the revolutionnaries had already chose Louis Philippe, the efforts of Charles X were useless XD

[@est9949]

If this was true I can see why the French people couldn't stand them.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@est9949 It's mainly because Charles X was a very reactionnary and conservative monarch, he put a death sentence on sacrilege, censored the press, all sorts of things that everyone including most monarchists were against. So they kicked him out and put a liberal king on the throne XD

[@welcometotheinternet574]

“And France became a republic for good “ Napoleon III: “well yes but actually no”

[@leolemnaru6987]

Would love a video about the queens of Romania now that December 1st is approaching

[@lipingrahman6648]

The Pamphlets written and illustrated against the queen are interesting in some places most but often very disturbing. Modern mudslinging has nothing on some of those pornographic images.

[@krankarvolund7771]

"Not wishing to return to the bloody days of the Republic, France invited back the Bourbon family" That's a strange way to describe all the european powers forcing France to accept the return of the king XD Louis XVIII was never popular, precisely because he came back in the luggages of the foreigners, he was never invited back, he just imposed himself with the help of foreign armies ^^

[@TinekeZoet]

😢💔people are terrible beings. Why hurting children? I couldn’t stop crying. So hard to listen to this. They were so miserable they hurt children and looked for a scapegoat. May god have all of their souls♥️💔

[@lizzdoe2821]

That was a great and detailed video!! Perfectly narrated to the point of getting emotional! Great job Lindsay!

[@CountessKitten]

I am very, even strangely addicted to anything French Royal related, and this video had me in tears, laughing at Napoleon calling poor Marie Therese "The only man in her family" (knowing what he also said about his mother "Mother, what a man" 😂🤣) And finally feeling just sad about how the revolutionaries destroyed, rather obliterated The French Royal Family. They were all so very, very, very evil to have done what they did, especially to poor Prince Louis Joseph. 💔 Thanks Lindsay, your videos are the best of the best pertaining to history on social media.

[@clintchauvin9467]

I can totally understand why the English monarchy has survived compared to the French now.

[@maeberriepie]

Marie Antoinette was so sweet to kids. She just wanted to love on her babies

[@OBrienFamily2020]

Sophie’s story is heartbreaking 💔 that poor baby

[@foodiemmdk]

Jeez Marie Therese really survived so much in her life, her name really fits her personality

[@diandoxlee7346]

I did a thesis job for a student about Ma. Antoinette. I asked the student, what if, what if she did say let them it cake but didn't mean as an insult but as a way to say, you can eat cakes too not just royalties or rich people while we sort this shortage out? The student just laughed so loud saying I have no idea about French. Well, it was just a thought and yes, I don't know much about French except their wine and food. Lol!

[@janetdamnit21]

I think you got something. It’s my belief she did utter those words to her Daily Advisor or whatever his title is. What if she said “Let them eat cake” after her advisor told her people were starving to death. The Advisor would have been shocked. What if she then said something along the line of, “I’m serious there’s plenty of food in the Palace we can all go a day or two without. Load up carts with pastries and distribute.” But was then Advised the court opinion is all she had and it would be ill advised to anger the few supporters she has left. Plus people would likely stampede the carts and kill the guards disrupting food. I think her advisor was working against her and let it be known what she said to him BUT left out the part were she was serious because God forbid it got out that she sympathized with the people of France

[@lolleeness296]

9:32 it's nice of the queen to give a home to so many children but it took me so off guard when you said 5 children It's nice to know she had a lot of love in her heart

[@vociferateforme]

If I could waste a wish on something silly but important to me it would be to go back in time and make it known that the gender of the baby all comes down to the man, not the lady. Lol.

[@malachibrown19]

How the revolutionaries treated them just breaks my heart 🤦🏾💔

[@astrophile1188]

I love the history of French related to Marie Antoinette due to the Lady Oscar anime/manga that I read/watched when I was little, I watched historical videos and read history articles about it. I cried when I watch & read the history of Louis Charles for the first time, it is so cruel. I don't care what people say about the royal families or the king and queen, I am still gonna say that children shouldn't be tortured to death no matter who their parents are and whatever wrongdoings they committed. Children are children, they are innocent. Sorry, I am so emotional whenever see the history of Louis Charles 😞

[@MCbee-xt7cw]

Rose of Versailles is amazing ❤

[@noorhan.abdul.qader.]

I think Marie Anttoinette was a good mother ❤️🥺

[@yasmina5556]

This was a great video. However, very very sad. ☹️

[@clintgreggory2549]

I don't know if you wish to read this but respectfully : I was educated in France. I believe you know this but : letters in the 18th century were highly romanticized. There is and never has been any doubt that Fersen & Antoinette were close friends , Not lovers. They were never alone. Etiquette was , as you noted , strict , even at the Petit Trianon. Antoinette was no more frivolous than any other French Noble woman . She was called the Autrichienne ( a combo of Austrian and Chienne ( bitch ) by the revolutionaries. She never said " qu'ils mangent de la brioche " , she was a kind woman of middling intelligence , quite pious who married at 15 in the most corrupt court in the world. I notice you sometimes say things that I believe that you know are untrue. Perhaps to make the story interesting. The only interesting thing , historically , is the truth.

[@FF-pn7fx]

What a sad story 😪good research though!

[@connormcbriarty9961]

Please do more episodes on queens of the world! 😁

[@kikit9072]

I'd like to know where you get your information from. There are so many inaccuracies!

[@Lorna8264]

How could people be so cruel to each?

[@shareemrasyidi9948]

Marie Antoinette was not 100% innocent herself but she was pretty much overly villainized by the story of the revolutions honestly after reading some history it kinda changed the perspective of some executed royals where despite they are still a bad and incapable ruler, they are not as evil as portraited by the revolutionaries and mostly goes to that point by the upbrining of the family who impose system that leads to their descendant and throne demise like in France or Russia, and honestly abolition of monarchy is not a way out either to be better as France was in mess after the abolition of monarchy and Russia got Stalin some years later after Romanov was killed and exiled from the country Also maybe a bit correction that after Louis Phillipe I was abdicated the France does back being a republic again until Napoleon nephew becomes president and then proceed to declare himself as Emperor of the French until his defeat by Prussia and Henry V was offered the crown but rejected it on a rather silly reason that he wanted France flag back to be the white one with the Fleur de Lys rather than the France flag we knows today so the republic continue until today because monarchist has been gradually decreased in France while waiting for Henry V to die as part of agreement between the Legitimist and Orleanist on deciding the French king

[@kdlyss6652]

So when you say Dauphin you pronounce it like Dauphine (the e on the end is what make that sound) if it's dauphin its pronounced with the n being silent.

[@kdlyss6652]

only saying this because it causes confusion when you say dauphine and then mention a male name