Henry VIII's OTHER Children

[@Kerriangel]

Makes you wonder how different things would have been had baby Henry lived to adulthood. Would any of Henry's other wives ever married him? Would Mary, Elizabeth and Edward still been born? What would King Henry IX been like as a king?

[@aeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaea]

yeah, and the tudor dynasty would be a lot less interesting, henry would have 1 wife, no bloody mary or elizabeth i, no pope scandals, no church of england, wayyy more King Henry's (Henry VIII was the last king Henry)

[@marinas_daises6693]

woah. Makes ya think. Although I’m glad for my money I think I’d rather that save a couple lives.

[@LucieCornelia]

He probably would have married again since Catherine died in 1536 most likely if cancer which I guess would still come even if she was still married to him. Although her health may have been better if she didn't have so many miscarriages and stillbirths. There are also historians who think that Henry had a condition (don't remember what) that made if difficult to have children which his son might have inherited. Henry jr might then have ended up childless and James Stuart may have become king of England and Scotland. There are many possibilities

[@cakecrumb095]

I wish there would be a whole genre about "what ifs" in history, kind of like in comics. It would be fascinating to read someone's theory in fiction form.

[@PawelSorinsky]

@@LucieCornelia Mac Leod's symdrome.

[@karlacapote1974]

I find it so amazing that King Henry VIII went through so much trouble to ensure the continuation of the Tudor line, just for Elizabeth I to decide she will never marry and have children...😅

[@sekichdawn3913]

If he only knew it was the daughter of Anne who would rule and beloved by millions. Suck it Henry!

[@soccerchic265]

We love to see it, the level of petty and fuck you dad energy is iconic

[@emilymay6369]

@Abdul Jalloh Women weren’t allowed to carry a name/legacy, just men (unless they were the only legitimate heir) so even though James I/VI had Tudor blood it is only the continuation of the Stewart line and the Tudor dynasty is over

[@mickymcbryan4814]

That’s karma for all Henry’s deeds.

[@collinsjeri07]

Poetic justice.

[@Leelz247]

I can't believe Catherine of Aragon couldn't spend any time with her son to bond with him before he died. No wonder she grieved all her life.

[@KellieT73]

I felt sad hearing about that and the general norms. I wonder how Henry would have fared if he could've stayed close to Catherine and traveled with them.

[@dstrong5897]

Very sad. Also having to suffer thru labor and birth with a big audience of royal gawkers!! No "bed pan" babies sneaking in, lol.

[@robjohnston1433]

Catherine was the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella -- she knew exactly what was expected of her and exactly how Royal families worked in those days!

[@dstrong5897]

@@robjohnston1433 : Yes, she was a strong, devoted Queen. While Henry was playing soldier in France, she faced a far greater enemy in Scotland. And sent Henry a trophy; a blood stained jacket, if I remember correctly.

[@NCKrypotonite33]

@@dstrong5897 Doesn't mean it hurt no less. But yes she did know what was expected of Royals

[@peace3405]

Henry didn’t want bloodshed for his succession but literally divided a whole religion in his country for it….. what narcissism will do to a man

[@joncrane7661]

Glad to be church of England!

[@brettlarch8050]

And because of Henry Viii the royal family has about as much freedom as a prisoner when it comes to marriage.

[@janetslicer3637]

You are so correct on that point!

[@rickmerino2097]

The brits sure have a confused family tree

[@DancerMusicanActress]

And desperation

[@bells9275]

Henry: is given the thought of marrying his children together Also Henry: beheads Anne for incest accusations

[@beabeabea3]

That’s true! 🤨

[@nicolewyman8057]

Hes one of the biggest hypocrites ever known to man kind

[@sparkykitty6870]

Anne was beheaded because Jane Seymour caught the kings attention. Henry needed an excuse to get rid of Anne.

[@hayleymsiebert7526]

Currently 37 weeks pregnant and I’ve know about baby Henry, but hearing it again while pregnant just makes me want to weep. Poor Catherine, you feel that little life grow inside of you, moving, kicking and even having hiccups. Even 500 years later it is tragic I hope they were reunited in heaven.

[@eliscanfield3913]

Congrats and may your labors be as boring as labor can be.

[@systlin2596]

Seconding Bryan, best of luck and may you have an easy and boring delivery and a healthy baby!

[@thepresence365]

I have a little 3 month old right now, sleeping in my arms. I cannot bear to imagine what it would feel like to experience that kind of bereavement. My good wishes for your easy delivery and a lovely "4th trimester" and beyond 😊

[@hayleymsiebert7526]

@@thepresence365 thank you ☺️

[@hayleymsiebert7526]

@@systlin2596 thank you 🙏

[@haribhandari5309]

Lord that dude "Thomas" lived quite a life. How the hell did he live for so long to do so much and I do feel sorry for his abandoned wife who lost all her fortune because of his actions.

[@mazerunner1339]

I was thinking that too 💔

[@Jason.cbr1000rr]

@@donijaya yes do u believe our lifes path is already set and all things are meant to happen??

[@kevinwheatley6342]

he really wanted ireland but fate meant he never would get there.

[@nethmisahajeewa2304]

Quite the character

[@honorsilverthorne7227]

I was thinking the same. That guy was something ELSE‼️What a "rapscallion", as they used to say‼️🤣🤣

[@kokonana4086]

Should a paternal test kit exist back then, the royal lineage would have been longer than the circumference of the Earth.

[@roxyshow123]

I think as far as lineage is concerned, Genghis Khan would have given Henry VIII a run for his money.

[@terynb4407]

@@roxyshow123 like 10% of the world is related to him right?

[@roxyshow123]

@@terynb4407 Bizarrely, yes.

[@cinm9565]

@@roxyshow123 Sadly, Khan wins big time via near daily rapes.

[@roxyshow123]

@@cinm9565 'Fraid so.

[@SEGASister]

Funny that every single child Henry claimed as his own (all legitimate children and the one illegitimate child, Henry Fitzroy, he pushed so hard to succeed him) never had children of their own.

[@PawelSorinsky]

He only had three legitimate children. His son was too young, Mary tried but failed and Elizabeth didn't want any.

[@ladyjanegrey1671]

And Henry Fitzroy died before he and his wife were even permitted to sleep together

[@jamiemohan2049]

@@PawelSorinsky they were the three that survived. He fathered 6 legitimate children with Cathetine of Aragon, three with Anne Boleyn and one with Jane Seymour. So he had 10 legitimate children, only 3 survived pregnancy and or infancy.

[@hez5160]

If he hadn't ignored Mary for so many years she might have had children

[@zay4401]

@@jamiemohan2049 Anne boleyn had two miscarriages and Elizabeth was born

[@popescucatrinel5407]

The way she explains, it just makes it easy to understand, and you also do not get bored. Also, I love it how here I find people like me who are just impresed and respectful when it comes to history. I don't find many people to share this passion with, but knowing that you care makes me really glad, so thank you for chosing culture and history!🥰

[@bryana50cents16]

Honestly why I think I stated loving history a few years ago!

[@popescucatrinel5407]

@@bryana50cents16 that is really great! I'm glad😄! Good for you!

[@jgibbs651]

Maybe, but she gets quite a lot wrong: she is not an historian.

[@ninedaysqueen301]

@@jgibbs651 Agreed - this is as accurate as Marie Antoinette saying “Let them eat cake” 😂

[@bysscanna]

ikr she does an amazing job :))

[@Wilysmiles]

I love how Elizabeth seemed to enjoy collecting her half siblings like they're Pokemon cards.

[@itzmohammmedn5875]

💀💀💀

[@ms.migrant]

Lol 🤣 ikr!

[@BritishMotherfucker]

Lmfao

[@_Unoffical_Norahhh_]

True

[@Ogloserlol]

gotta catch 'em all

[@SomePerson_Online]

Henry: *kills Cathrine Howard because she was not a virgin* Also Henry:

[@marinas_daises6693]

haha.. c-cool THANK GOD HE LEFT ME BE

[@moondivine2288]

It wasn’t just Henry. Back then people were sexist. I think it was the law that the Queen’s had to disclose if their sexual past before getting married to the king. Catherine said she was a virgin. Which wasn’t true. Henry also married Catherine parr and she probably wasn’t a virgin as she has been married 2 times before Henry

[@LucieCornelia]

@@moondivine2288 Henry probably married Catherine Parr since he knew she wasn't a virgin and therefore wouldn't have a big virginity scandal like with Katherine Howard

[@SomePerson_Online]

@@moondivine2288 Her virginity was stolen from her 🤷🏾‍♀️ she’s a virgin in my eyes…

[@moondivine2288]

@@SomePerson_Online you’re right. But at that time they probably didn’t care. From a book I read Thomas Cranmer thought Catherine Howard made it up to save herself.

[@stephanginther9051]

I watched a thing on Henry the 8th (I am, I am). They said that prior to the death of his son, he was a well liked and intelligent man. The dramatic change in behavior afterwards was huge. They say he completely changed for the tyrant we all love to hate. Experts think that the jousting accident that caused him injuries that prevented him from ever competing again also caused brain damage. Minor brain damage can cause a shift in personality and could explain how he basically went from agreeable and beloved king to tyrant basically overnight.

[@juliannaciano1273]

I agree with you as well. I truly feel that the brain injury most likely did attribute to his behavior later. Coupled with the fact that he became less active and started gaining weight and more than likely had diabetes which caused all his leg sores. I feel he would have never killed Anne Boleyn had he been right in his head. He chased after her for nearly 10 years before she successfully gave birth to a healthy baby the first year of marriage. She would have surely went on to have another child. Miscarriages were common back then. It wasn't out of the ordinary. I truly think Henry acted on impulse and believed his enemies in the heat of the moment. I believe they slowly fed the information in his ear over time and struck when they had a fight. I believe henry believed some of things regarding what he was told. And acted impulsively.

[@ladannarich5445]

Henry is my 14x GGF. Illegitament mind you, but none the less. Late age onset of Schizophrenia runs in the family as fibromyalgia, RH factors in pregnancy due to the rare blood type.

[@pastelskies8466]

He was a neurotic tyrant long before the jousting accident and much worse after.

[@kaoyirengoku4023]

How was Henry VIII when he was young?

[@stephanginther9051]

@@kaoyirengoku4023 from what I've heard from documentaries and such he was as likable as royals from that time could be expected when he was young. Still an arrogant ass at times but a bit nicer to the common folk than most.

[@kryztyn127]

The Pope: No divorce, incest fine though.

[@aeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeaea]

BRUH

[@joncrane7661]

Royal blood was all that mattered

[@toddwebb7521]

Roll Tide- that pope

[@callarose9432]

LMAO!

[@terynb4407]

Are you surprised? They also said priest should be celibate but them themselves had like 15 children 😂

[@bushra5956]

Elizabeth seems so kind. She took care of her half-siblings as she was appointed to serve her family as well as her country. Or maybe she helped her half-siblings to get them to stay loyal because she was all alone during her reign. But it was helpful and kind no matter what was the reason.

[@Leelz247]

Eh, she and her legitimate half-sibling QUEEN MARY weren't so keen on each other though 😆

[@barbarak2836]

@@Leelz247 They were set up to regard one another as enemies since Elizabeth's birth. People don't acknowledge how much both of them, especially Mary, suffered at the hands of their father.

[@Dave_Sisson]

Elizabeth I also executed her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots, so she wasn't nice to all her relatives.

[@susanmccormick6022]

@@Dave_Sisson I have heard E 1st called a lot of things.Kind wasn't one of them.

[@ahmedshahid8534]

Her cousin you mean

[@toddbonin6926]

I don’t know why, but I can never get enough of the Tudors. Thank you for another fantastic video!

[@clairefordzetterstrom9973]

Same!❤

[@mollymadame]

I feel so sorry for Catherine of Aragorn. She was so in love with Henry, she was fierce, feisty and ended like a nun, in the middle of nowhere... She lost almost all her children, she must be heartbroken many times, in many ways...

[@asaasura6901]

i remember my principal used to brag about being Henry VIIIs descendant like its something to be proud of.

[@auroral0vescake]

Why would he be proud of being a descendant of a gluttons wife killer??

[@acharonim4659]

To some people it is something to be proud of.

[@asaasura6901]

@@auroral0vescake Because she was rather cruel and used it to explain why she shouldnt be messed with honestly i would just roll my eyes.

[@asaasura6901]

@@donijaya Even then I feel like some royals and high status people arent worth bragging about.

[@asaasura6901]

@@acharonim4659 my principal was rather despotic so i can see why it would be

[@arcticfox2239]

Random fun fact: I’m actually a descendant of Richard Edwardes. I’ve been tracing our family tree, and it turns out he is my 13x Great-Grandfather on my maternal side. I’ve been an avid fan of Tudor history since I was about 10 or 11, so finding this out was honestly amazing for me. It’s a shame there’s no concrete proof that he was indeed fathered by Henry VIII. Still, it’s surreal to think that there is even the slightest possibility that Henry is my 14x Great-Grandfather!

[@mariechandra3021]

I’m very interested to know how you traced your family tree. I’d love to do mine but haven’t a clue where to start! Many thanks

[@Corgio22]

I too am a descendant of Richard Edwards. I have always had an unreasoning horror of/fascination with Henry VIII.

[@opalappalachia9187]

I was shocked to see this comment!!!! I am as well, and am guessing your current family name is edwards as is mine through my mother also, but if not so happy to meet you anyway!!!

[@Corgio22]

Actually my dad’s grandfather was E.E.Edwards, a justice of the peace in our town.

[@paemonyes8299]

If you don’t mind me asking, do you have the iconic Tudor red hair?

[@Greeklings]

Why hasn't someone written an insane historical novel about Thomas Stukely? It could almost be a comedy: Thomas is Forrest Gumping his way through 16th Century England, Ireland, and Europe.

[@metamorphicme9378]

Epic right!

[@marshavilkas3512]

Queen Elizabeth II is a direct descendant of Catherine Carey and thus Mary Boleyn through her mother Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. If Catherine Carey indeed was fathered by Henry VIII, then his bloodline lives on through the current monarch.

[@Jayme9610]

Also Diana, Princess of Wales is descended from Henry Carey, the son of Mary Boleyn.

[@marjolewis9405]

And through king James whose both parents who were Tudors.

[@honorsilverthorne7227]

It does, through several descendants.

[@jessicamorton6081]

So Elizabeth was best friends with her half sister Also didn’t know he had that many illegitimate kids

[@ahmedshahid8534]

Its under speculation. The three other ppl in the thumbnail arent kids of Henry VIII btw. Just Fitzroy

[@DeepikaGinger]

At any rate, they were first cousins

[@Nimrodbodeinejr]

@@ahmedshahid8534 they all favor Henry VIII

[@barbaraharris1212]

Have you thought about doing a video on the Dudley's? The family was tightly wrapped in with the Tudor's and had a great deal of influence with the crown.

[@CindyLee12]

Nope! Time to move on from the british royals!

[@patwilliams8968]

Hello my friend! how are you doing today?

[@patriciahayes7315]

That's a good idea. No one's done a video on the Dudley clan and they were a very important family in the Tudor era.

[@jameshalley9763]

That would be like unwrapping an andacondas death grip around an antelope since there all the Dudley children that were part of Arthur Plantagenet 's family after he married Dudley's Widow. I am a descendant of both Arthur Plantagenet. And Henry VII. And still trying to peel the twisting layers away.

[@barbaraharris1212]

James Halley, we're probably distantly related. 😆

[@baronvg]

Now we just need Usefulcharts to make a family tree video of Henry VIII to see who his living heavies are, assuming there any present day.

[@imperfectwaffles5688]

Yesss

[@cakt1991]

The Careys alone have MANY descendants, many of them famous, like Charles Darwin and even the current royals. Claire Ridgway of The Anne Boleyn Files did a video on that, showing Elizabeth II’s descent through her mother, and additionally how William and Harry are descended from another line through Diana. You can also have hours of fun exploring the line on Entitree, the site UsefulCharts shared on a livestream somewhat recently.

[@archraskal]

As you or anyone else can guess from this collection of bastards, it's really not unusual for anyone at all to have royal blood in their ancestory. Most historians and genealogists know this. Most of these ancestors didn;t have titles or power. The majority of them were peasants.

[@PostImperfect]

I have a suspicion he did something similar, but for a different British monarch (sorry, cannot remember whom,but it was one of contested ones)? The "true" king lives in outback Australia. There's a documentary about it too.

[@baronvg]

@@PostImperfect lol that was the documentary from like 20 years ago about how the real UK monarch is living in Australia. His name is Simon something and I made a joke comment on that video about how I’d support his claim simply so we can have a king that makes laws and invokes Simon Says.

[@sophiarose7610]

The irony! He desperately wanted a legitimate son but had so many illegitimate sons.

[@ravenrey7225]

double irony is the 2 legitimate children of his who ended up reigning the longest were both girls; that's the karma he gets for being mysoginistic.

[@flkilosdealer]

I don’t like Henry for obvious reasons

[@marinas_daises6693]

I feel ya anne.

[@jamesfrancisedwardstuartal298]

Makes sense.

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

I agree

[@lollipop96537]

Hello Mother and stepmothers! 😁💕

[@flkilosdealer]

@@lollipop96537 daughter! I haven’t seen you for the past couple of days. I missed you

[@areiaaphrodite]

I think it's not illogical at all to rule out Mary Boleyn's children as possibly sired by Henry VIII. I don't know why a lot of historians tend to do so since the husbands of Royal Mistresses would often make claims on royal "bastards" as their own in exchange for money and favours.

[@ninedaysqueen301]

Claire Ridgeway of the Anne Boleyn files (an Anne Boleyn author and researcher) has repeatedly stated that it is very unlikely Henry fathered her children.

[@SafetySpooon]

@@ninedaysqueen301 Thank you!

[@ninedaysqueen301]

@@SafetySpooon You’re welcome!

[@--enyo--]

@@ninedaysqueen301 Yeah, was also going to direct the OP to her channel. She has a fair number of videos on this subject. They’re very well researched and she discusses the evidence behind what we know so you can draw your own conclusions to an extent as well.

[@ninedaysqueen301]

@@--enyo-- Agreed. This video feels very poorly researched and just for entertainment.

[@coasterhockygamingboy9549]

I knew about Henry Fitzroy and his first son with Catherine of Aragon and of course Ed, Good Queen Bess, and Bloody Mary. but I didn't know there were other children.

[@samuelwolch1302]

To be honest, with the libido Henry had, i’d be surprised if there wasn’t

[@lilymarinovic1644]

I only knew about Henry Fitzroy and the Careys - most of the other "children" seen to be way more doubtful as being his.

[@ninedaysqueen301]

This video is more or less a diatribe against Henry and his children. These people are EXTREMELY unlikely to have been fathered by Henry VIII. Claire Ridgeway of the Anne Boleyn Files has proven that Mary Boleyn’s children were unlikely to be his.

[@ahmedshahid8534]

@@ninedaysqueen301 yes

[@pedrorivas1920]

I only knew Henry Duke of Cornwall and Henry fitzroy I also didn't know the rest

[@reythejediladyviajakku6078]

I can’t imagine what it was like for the husbands of these mistresses to deal with children the king fathered. Even the most well-meaning stepfather might have found it hard to get his head around the fact his wife got knocked up by the king and he can’t do anything about it

[@pyxeeful]

@@donijaya Yeah, I was going to chime in and say the same. Also doesn't hurt that most men had little if anything to do with thier children anyway. That might also go for the mother as well depending on just how wealthy and titled. In short people especially kids died by the handful on the daily, no one was especially fussed to bother about bonding.

[@jeandehuit5385]

@@donijaya Wow, that's real bootlicker mentality there. The king can go sod himself--his kids aren't any more 'valuable' than mine. Now, I'm a male myself & I wish to be a father someday (at least hypothetically), so those are the biases I'll lay on the table. There are *very* few circumstances (in pre-modern times) where I would consider raising a child I had reason to suspect was not a close biological relation: 1) My partner was sexually assaulted, & 'honor' dictated that I acknowledge the child as mine to spare her shame. No judgement there. 2) I adopted the child (which I consider a wholly selfless act). But being cuckolded by the king does not exactly fall into those categories (maybe 1) depending on the situation; being a king's mistress was no doubt coercive for most women by our standards, & I'm sure most women back then considered it so also, but there are a few that probably 'went willingly'). If the king's child was foisted onto me in such a way (assuming this is still the premodern era), that kid is getting left out in the wilderness to die.

[@christinecameron1612]

Not so confusing, almost all of those men had one or more mistresses on the side during the course of their life, plus they were pragmatic and self-serving. The basic deal was in return for turning a blind eye and then raising the king's kid, he and his whole family benefit tremendously. Some obviously didn't make wise use of it, but that was their own choices.

[@reythejediladyviajakku6078]

@@christinecameron1612 so it was a tremendous honor for these guys to be the stepfather of the king’s child. Henry Fitzroy’s stepdad must have treated him very well knowing that if all else failed, his stepson could probably be king if he had lived long enough and no other heir was born

[@Ftmyersbeachlizard]

ngs

[@theviper1999uk]

Another excellent video Lindsay, i I couldn't help noticing, the little things like Henry being away celebrating the pregnancy of his mistress while Catherine was having a miscarriage. These smaller things just go to show the extent that he was a cruel man through and through

[@Sasha-zx7gr]

Hadn't heard of any of his children but Catherine Carey, Henry Duke of Cornwall, and Henry Fitzroy before this. Thanks for another great one, Lindsay!

[@import1a92]

With the ability to determine lineage through DNA these days, we can only imagine the truths that would come about now. If the royals allowed their own private genealogical investigators to pull samples from the crypts, that would be the most interesting of all information. have thought about it with my own Sicilian lineage.

[@hez5160]

My heart will forever hurt and mourn for Catherine of Aragon, her baby boy, and Mary I.

[@sekichdawn3913]

Catherine of Aragon and baby Henry are in heaven...Mary I'm not so sure about her in heaven. More like🔥🔥🔥

[@hez5160]

@@sekichdawn3913 while her actions were terrible, she truly believed she was doing the right thing by protecting that Catholic faith. Life had taken everything from her. And then the world tried to take her religion and force her to be Protestant. She truly feared that she would go to Hell if she didn't fight for Catholicism. I personally don't believe in a hell. My heart still hurts for Mary

[@Lily_of_the_Forest]

Yes I feel so sorry for Catherine. I hate Henry and Anne Boleyn.

[@miaomiaochan]

Don't forget all of the other stillbirths and miscarriages that Henry's wives suffered.

[@cindychristian1700]

That cannonball from Elizabeth was straight up karma for Thomas!

[@hurst-cs2jh]

Hi Cindy, how are you doing?

[@cindychristian1700]

@@hurst-cs2jh I'm ok.

[@hurst-cs2jh]

@@cindychristian1700 it's nice to hear from you, where are you from?

[@cindychristian1700]

@@hurst-cs2jh From Pluto! Get lost creep!

[@chykim1]

I've often wondered did Elizabeth I end the Tudors Dynasty on purpose as payback to her father?

[@barbarak2836]

After seeing how her father treated her mother and four of her stepmothers and hearing about how he treated his first wife, can you blame her?

[@chykim1]

@@barbarak2836 absolutely not....

[@cameronglendinning9098]

@@barbarak2836 And how disastrous Mary's marriage turned.

[@hellsjamfleas]

I don't know, I always saw it as a likely response to the trauma of all the female deaths . Normally (in her life) to husbands or childbirth. Her father sowed the seeds for the end of the dynasty by failing to care for his daughters and filling thier lives with fear.

[@chykim1]

@@cameronglendinning9098 you know prince Philip wasn't even attracted to her, he was hardly ever there with her, not to mention he was eyeing Elizabeth, probably which added to her rage and insecurities, just a terrible marriage.

[@lovetobe6118]

I wonder if the idea that his mother wasn't constantly there for baby Henry that resulted in him being more prone to getting sick. Children separated from their mother at birth experience higher levels cortisol and other health effects. That is why 'kangaroo care' for premature babies has been significantly important to helping them survive.

[@thegreencat9947]

Babies need their moms breast milk...closeness..and voice. How wrong for both child and mom to not be able to be together. Bad for both of them.

[@mcomeslast]

Antibodies in her breast milk would help immensely.

[@ieatzebraarah]

Im a descendant of Catherine Carey I didn’t know she was possibly King Henry VIII’s child so cool.

[@unitunitglue5143]

Easy dna test

[@eleanormason2647]

@@unitunitglue5143 That's only if you can compare to the ancestor's DNA, of which none will remain

[@katiewest7908]

My husband is related to Catherine, as well.

[@lucieelizabethannwesson7016]

NO way dear. She had children by Sir Francis Knolly and he aunt married Sir. Charles Howard

[@nannybebe74]

@@unitunitglue5143 you’d probably have to apply to the Queen to get any dna from Henry, and that will never happen.

[@guillaumeschaack2351]

Now this might be a bit of a weird suggestion, but would you consider making a video about the Princesses of Wales? It might be interesting to see what the Queens consorts’s lives were like before their husbands ascended the throne.

[@homesteadtotable2921]

Before Princess Victoria became Victoria I, her cousin, super popular Princess Charlotte, daughter of Prince George of Wales, Regent to Mad George III, was actually legally designated the next in line in her own right, but died in childbirth effectively due to what we today would consider severe malpractice. There are a lot of less often presented, more interesting characters out there than just the usual cast of documentaries and dramas. Her widower, Leopold of Belgium still pines after "my beloved Charlotte" a few times in the tv show "Victoria".

[@amandajones6481]

The story of Henry VIII and his 6 wives just goes to show that truth can indeed be stranger than fiction! If someone had made the story up, I think people would have said it was too far fetched to happen. Especially, when Henry became angry with his 6th and last wife Katherine Parr, and issued a warrant for her arrest, which someone - who was obviously sympathetic to Katherine - managed to drop somewhere where she would and did find it. Poor Katherine was, of course, terrified by this, but her Ladies-in-Waiting and the young Elizabeth, who loved her stepmother very much, dried her tears and dressed her up; and told her to find Henry and beg his forgiveness. Now, I'm not trying to excuse Henry's behaviour in any way, but one of the reasons for his short temper was the constant pain he suffered from his ulcerated leg. The "treatment" for this involved cauterisation, which, in practice, meant applying a red-hot poker to the ulcers!!! Doctors in the 16th century believed that wounds should be kept open, which lead to constant infections and Henry VIII nearly died several times of septicaemia. Katherine was a very good wife to Henry VIII because, by then, he was old and sick and he needed a nurse to look after him. Katherine was the only person at court who Henry allowed to dress and bandage his leg., which "stunk like rotten meat" according to Elizabeth. Katherine was a very intelligent, interesting woman who wrote several published books on religion and she was very much in favour of the new religion of protestantism and the idea that the bible should be available in English, not just Latin. She used to take Henry's mind off the pain he suffered, by discussing religion with him. But he thought she was "meddling" when she begged him to show mercy to a woman named Anne Askew, who Henry had had tortured on the rack in the Tower of London. After Katherine pleaded with Henry to be merciful he said: "Doctor of my body you may be, but Doctor of Divinity you will NEVER BE!!!" But, after finding the warrant for her own arrest Katherine did find Henry, in one of the rose gardens, where she fell on her knees and begged his forgiveness, saying: "Your Majesty, I am only a weak woman and I need Your Majesty's guidance and wisdom in all things. The only reason I discuss matters of religion with you is because I want to take your mind off your terrible pain." Henry immediately forgave her and said "We are friends again my sweet Kate." So, when the guards arrived to arrest Queen Katherine, they found her sitting hand-in-hand with Henry and he had the nerve to tell them off, even though he had ordered them to arrest Katherine. Thank God she outlived Henry (she must have jumped for joy when the old bugger died!!!)

[@cherylhumphrey2251]

Such a great recitation of the Tudor legacy and Henry's other children. I was excited to learn that my own children are decendents of Catherine Knolleys through their father's maternal grandmother. Also I find it fascinating that Elizabeth I and Phillip II were not only world rivals but brother and sister in law through Mary Tudor. Since Mary had imprisoned Elizabeth, no wonder it was easy for them to become enemies.

[@mariunfabregas7533]

No one: Henry VIII: But wait, there's more!

[@marinas_daises6693]

and here is another one!

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

Let Me Guess Oversimplified?

[@istantoomanygroupscheckemo4016]

Our names are long lost siblings

[@ObamAmerican48]

"He gave not a fart". I think I just found my new catchphrase. Lindsey, I love your videos!

[@CRohrscheib]

You have to respect Thomas's hustle. Boy just wanted his coin!

[@dime3838]

He did get that 💰🤑💸💲💶💵!

[@LadybugPrinzess]

As a tudor nerd, I know a lot, and this video has provided me with the first new information about Henry the VIII that I have heard in years. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[@houseofschenck6230]

His legitimate children wanted for nothing? Are we forgetting the time Mary and Elizabeth spent ostracized from their father while he was angry with their mothers?

[@MissCaraMint]

They weren’t considered legitimate at the time.

[@houseofschenck6230]

@@MissCaraMint Exactly. Mary and Elizabeth each went from legitimate children to being ostracized by their father. They did not "want for nothing."

[@MissCaraMint]

@@houseofschenck6230 No you see the statement of his «legitimate children wanted for nothing» is correct if both girls were not considdered legitimate at the time that they were treated badly.

[@carrieamoreno]

Love these longer videos! They keep me sane during menial tasks at work

[@jamesaron1967]

Scary to contemplate Henry VIII has so many potential living descendants, most of whom are probably unaware of their (in)famous ancestor.

[@williamevans9426]

Excellent, as always! You are unfailingly informative and entertaining, managing in this case to make what can be confusing family connections simple to understand.

[@eedwards5129]

Lady Jane did not "try to take the throne" - she (and her male heirs) was willed the throne by King Edward VI because he wanted a protestant monarch. Lady Jane was 15 years old and did not want the crown, but it was forced on her head by her ambitious relatives including her F-I-L Northumberland. She was executed along with her husband, two of his brothers and the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Her F-I-L had already been beheaded. Jane's father was also beheaded for treason after he tried to raise an army against Princess Mary on Jane's behalf. Ambition usually did not go well in Tudor England.

[@eekeek312]

Fun Fact: my 12th great grandfather was the inventor of the flush toilet,John Harrington, and his father married to Etherelda Malte Henry's illigitmate daughter!

[@jasonblackburn6479]

This is so great and such a unique topic. I consider myself well versed in Tudor history and I learned something new. Nice job.

[@darkamity1399]

I love the british royal history, when I find something interesting I always search lindsay holiday’s channel if she has it

[@crystalclear6411]

I'm so fascinated with the stories and narration of the British royal lineages in the mediaeval and middle ages.🙂

[@xbagaming3909]

Wow this was an interesting video. Since i learned about Henry VIII on this channel, i never knew he had other illegitimate children at all. Great video.

[@hollyh314]

So super excited for this episode!!!☺️ I was actually just thinking that I would love to learn more about his other children, besides the ones that are well known of, as well as just Henry Fitzroy, because that's the only one of the illegitimate children we only hear about... But I knew of course there had to be more!! So thank you thank you thank you for doing this episode!!! As usual and as always I am so delighted by your Channel ☺️🙂☺️

[@joanmcdermott6798]

Do we know if Henry supported all of his illegitimate children?

[@hollyh314]

@@joanmcdermott6798 That's a fantastic question. I'm unsure of the answer. Maybe our content creator of this channel might know??

[@ladyjanegrey1671]

The interesting thing is that Katherine Carey is an ancestor of Elizabeth II, so the modern-day royals might be descended from Henry VIII

[@margarettaft7362]

Elizabeth 2 is a direct descendant of Margaret Tudor Stuart daughter of Henry 7 sister of Henry 8 through George 1’s mother a descendant of Henry 7 through Margaret Tudor Stuart Queen of Scotland. It’s that Henry 7 that made George 1 and Er 2 monarchs

[@ladyjanegrey1671]

@@margarettaft7362 Elizabeth II is also a descendant of Mary Boleyn through her daughter Katherine. I didn't say that Elizabeth's claim to the throne is from that relation, just that it's possible that she is a descendant of Henry VIII, as he might be Katherine's father.

[@thatsmyjam6065]

This video was sooo informative. I had never heard of most of the illegitimate children.

[@GammerGurten]

The stories and illustrations are wonderful. The cadence of the narration is grating, and I can only listen for a few minutes at a time.

[@jencookie2920]

The Duke of Cornwall just looks done with life already...

[@andreaweber8059]

The drawing for the "lavish christening" for Henry's first son is actually a drawing of the lavish christening of his lather son with Jane Seymour.

[@mikaylawilliams1651]

If baby Henry lived into adulthood, none of the kings shenanigans would have occurred. The blood shed would be significantly less,and hed be happy. Who knows what would have happened if this was the case.

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

Come and join to my party Catherine

[@SungSNam]

I know what could happen! You could marry Thomas Seymour a lot earlier!

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

@@SungSNam hi

[@thelanktheist2626]

Dang Catherine out here laying it straight

[@linggao2602]

Given how many children Mary’s kids have, Anne Boleyn should be pretty fertile, since these things run in the family. So I guess the reason she’s just not delivering is because of the stress then.

[@andrewhaywood3853]

She had a second pregnancy and miscarried a son. I’ve heard that was due to catching Henry flirting with Jane Seymour and flying into a rage....

[@andrewhaywood3853]

@Elizabeth McBurney oh yes, that would account for it. Both my Nana and my eldest daughter are rhesus negative, and even with good medical treatment it causes some distress and feeling crumby, without that treatment it would be impossible.

[@margaretflood-elahwal5861]

Don’t forget that Anne Boleyn by the time she had given in to king Henry was already in her thirties. By the time Anne had her last pregnancy resulting in a still birth of a boy when she was nearing her early thirties. That was old for a woman to conceive .

[@margaretflood-elahwal5861]

@Elizabeth McBurney Maybe that’s the explanation for Catherine ‘s losing many of her pregnancies as well?

[@neoandroid8586]

@Elizabeth McBurney what does RH negative mean?

[@FairroFerrari]

I'm a huge history buff ..especially everything Henry the 8th . This was extremely informative... keep up the good work!

[@bluestrife28]

Great video. You know someone is a legend when they are still talking about her 500 years later.

[@Goldenrod636]

This is actually really interesting and something I never knew. I thought he only had the three children. So Mary in addition to having two half-siblings had a full brother and if he did father his sister-in-law Mary Boleyn's children then they are Elizabeth's half-siblings and first cousins as well as another set of full-siblings fathered by the King.

[@joanmcdermott6798]

Henry was busy.

[@wilsontheconqueror8101]

Love the content on European royals! Great intimate information about the Monarchies that ruled over Miedeval England and the continent. It is not always great wars or conquering kings that pave the roads of history! It is amazing how much more subtle events literally change the course kings,queens and countries! Well done!

[@jencookie2920]

“Became the stuff of legend... and memes.” Ah yes, because memes are the real legends here.

[@zinzolin14]

Indubitably.

[@lushpapaya9932]

Lady Jane Grey didnt try to take the crown. She was a 15 year old pawn, who lost her head bc of her fathers ambitions and Edwards unwillingness to name Mary as heir

[@auroral0vescake]

Very interesting! You should also make a video about Edward the 7ths illegitimate children

[@christinaburton9297]

Catherine of A likely had a balanced translocation which caused genetic disorders in all but one child. Her sister Joanna the Mad of Castille had porphyria. The sisters were great great great granddaughters of John of Gaunt, the common ancestor of all the porphyric royals of Europe.

[@laurens3857]

They also believe Henry had fertility issues since Anne also had a few miscarriages. And believe his infertility issues were caused by diabetes.

[@jeilou171]

That’s not true! Check your facts!

[@julia197]

I always wondered if Fitzroy was the only one. Thanks for this documentary.

[@AlexanderosD]

King Henry goes through wives, trying to get a healthy heir, but I bet he never thought he might be the one with the problems downstairs...

[@Ylimee73]

I think he did? But those "problems" were the Will of God rather than a physical defect. I thought he believed he was being punished for marrying his brother's wife?

[@suzannebeinart4359]

Thanks for the fresh take on Tudor history! Most of these illegitimate children were news to me.

[@jimenagg4770]

I wasn't expecting that kind of connection between the topic and the sponsor. Well done, lady. Very intelligent of you.

[@roxyshow123]

I love learning new info about the Tudors.

[@deYoung2023application]

Amazing video! Curious that both Fitzroy and Edward died of tuberculosis. And also I just realised if Mary had had children before her reign her children presumably would’ve superseded Elizabeth. Quite incredible that Elizabeth got her chance to reign.

[@davidjohansson113]

Why were they not allowed to attend the funeral. Why such a tradition?

[@roxyshow123]

If the King had attended it was possible that mourners would've thought about the death of the King, and in thought only, they would commit treason.

[@ladyjanegrey1671]

@@roxyshow123 That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard (I'm not dissing you, I'm saying that Tudor England was absolutely nonsensical)

[@roxyshow123]

@@ladyjanegrey1671 It is actually true. I know its dumb. But remember back then you could also be convicted of witchcraft.

[@beartrapcat]

Thomas Stukely needs a TV series!

[@haleym]

I just found you and "history tea time" is the pop culture/historical crossover I didn't know I needed!! I'm cackling at this name!!

[@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun]

Wow, Henry, way to go, those poor children 🥺

[@auroral0vescake]

You were technically a child too when you married him 😟

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

Katherine, You my bestie right?

[@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun]

@@Maryam-hq3vy yes 🥺

[@Maryam-hq3vy]

@@KHowardishereandthefunsbegun So Kind☺️☺️☺️☺️🥺🥺🥺

[@faze_buendia9514]

Man, can you imagine how incredibly Different history would have gone if only Prince Henry had lived? King Henry and Catherine were an incredible Power Couple of the time, if Catherine had given him an heir that didn't die He would've stayed in love w/ her and they would've continued to rule together. Who knows what they would've accomplished together as a single unit.

[@Gansalf64]

He never was a prince if you're referring to Henry V111ths son Henry he was Fitzroy or son of the king. I doubt he was entitled to a proper title under English law

[@faze_buendia9514]

I’m talking about King Henry the 8ths 1st son with Catherine of Aragon, who died as an infant. As I previously stated, Queen Catherine & King Henry were the world’s power couple when they were in the first decade of their marriage. If Catherine had given King Henry a son it’s very likely that none of his other wives would’ve become history. Most likely he would’ve stayed with Catherine since the only reason he left her was because after about 20 yrs she still hadn’t given him a son, so he wanted to divorce her for someone he thought Would give him a son. Also the Church of England wouldn’t have been formed, Just SO much would’ve been different if that baby had lived. Also, bastards don’t get titles no matter who their parents are; unless bestowed by the King. King Henry’s bastard/illegitimate son was given the last name Fitzroy, because it means son of the king. It was the King’s way of recognizing his bastard son as his own. Even if he had gifted his son a title it wouldn’t change his son’s bastard label.

[@paytynbutler2007]

It's definitely hard to imagine and then I think the only other child of his that might have existed would probably be Mary.

[@markrichmond6860]

Thanks for a very entertaining video you definitely brought a big smile to my face keep them coming

[@ZalthorAndNoggin]

Seriously well researched Royal biographies. It's a shame that your delivery leaves a fair bit to be desired but that doesn't detract from the work you have done here or the pictures you have uncovered. Really well done.

[@taffykins2745]

LINDSAY HOLLIDAY: You are an excellent presenter. Thank you very much for making and sharing this wonderful program.

[@fishstix8025]

The fact that skill share doesn’t have a course on how to be into royalty saddens me

[@Dave_Sisson]

Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden married her personal trainer. So if you want to marry a monarch, you don't have to be intelligent, instead you could become a gym instructor.

[@fionafiona1146]

Bigger army diplomacy might be the search term for getting skill share classes on getting royalty

[@fruzsimih7214]

Henry VIII. didn't actually divorce Catherine. He rather wanted the Pope to declare that his marriage to Catherine was invalid. The reason he found was that she had been married as a child to his brother, who died as a teenager. The marriage to a brother's widow was not allowed at the time. The question was, if Arthur and Catherine had slept with each other and thus consummated the marriage or not. Though Catherine maintained that she had never slept with Arthur and thus had not truly been his wife, the powerful and fearsome King Henry found of course several false witnesses who testified otherwise.

[@marjolewis9405]

The Pope allowed the marriage and provided a dispensation for Henry to wed his brother's widow.

[@Friendofstfrank]

Exactly

[@Friendofstfrank]

@@marjolewis9405 She was married less than 5 months and Arthur was very I'll at the time. Further, the Tudor's did not wish to lose the huge dowery.

[@uranusprincess6827]

Margaret Beaufort is the most underrated human being of all time

[@cynthiatowers1038]

She was a very smart and strong woman.

[@kathyharig8190]

@@susanmccormick6022 Margaret was married at 12, pregnant and widowed at 13. Her labor was so traumatic she never conceived again, despite 2 subsequent marriages.

[@lusterthomas5646]

Man what a baby mama...

[@susanmccormick6022]

That is not how I feel about her I am afraid.

[@valeriecarlin1524]

@@susanmccormick6022 she was smart bit also an evil @@@@@ I personally think she had a hand in the princes being killed. Certainly henry Vii knew with 100% certainty that they were dead when he invaded. He would not have invaded otherwise-;

[@tiniok]

This was so fun to watch! I found out just recently that I'm descended from Mary Boleyn's daughter so it all hit a little too close to home...

[@missy7556]

I am also descended from Mary Bolyn and Mary Queen. Of Scott's among others.

[@kathieprater2431]

I love your voice. It is perfectly suited for narration. I could listen to you all day.

[@JokerInaDeckOf53]

I love this movie! One of my childhood favorites as a 90s baby. It was always my first pick at the library, I probably checked it out two or three times a month. So glad you got to watch it!

[@djpokeeffe8019]

The portrait you show of Catherine of Aragon is in fact of Mary Rose Tudor - Henry's sister. It’s in the National Gallery in Washington, on loan from Vienna. Michel Sittow.

[@annvictor9627]

I enjoy reflecting how Henry VIII thought so little of his second legitimate daughter, but she far outshone Edward VI.

[@afterthought2046]

Thomas Stukley is a literal legend. Where is his movie? That was a life full of experiences, some good, some bad, but definitely well lived!

[@aquastar4336]

Thank you SO much!!! Keep diving into all this.. because I'm watching!!!💕

[@mariamanasewitsch2977]

This was amazing!!! I wondered if there were other possibilities besides Henry Fitzroy.

[@ShaySovaOfficial]

I always have wondered if things would have been different if the queen had fed her children herself.

[@IceQueen007]

Hi Lindsay, I quite enjoy your videos, especially about Tudor England. However, because I'm a Tudor nut, I have to give one piece of feedback. In some places, you said that these other "children" could be possibly Henry's, but in some others, it was treated as if they were actually his. There was only 1 illegitimate child that Henry VIII recognized officially, which you detailed aka Henry Fitzroy. I would think that Henry VIII, who was desperate to secure his reign, considering he was a spare himself at one time, would have recognized more of this children if they were actually fathered by him. Henry VIII didn't acknowledge any other boys including Henry Carey or any of the others mentioned in this video. Claire Ridgeway and other famous Tudor scholars have refuted that the Carey children (I can't speak on the others since this is the first time I'm hearing their names, but the evidence presented in the video seemed weak at best) were fathered by Henry. It's equally as possible that the children were fathered by William Carey, whose last name they took. It can't be entirely proven when exactly Mary Boleyn had her affair with Henry. We can speculate a time span that it could possibly be in, but all we know for sure is that it happened since Henry had to apply for a dispensation to marry Anne because he had sex with Mary (Anne's sister). William Carey was at court serving Henry during the time spans that the Carey children were born, so it's equally as likely, as stated previous, that the children could be his. We simply don't know and are unlikely to be able to completely solve the mystery. May I suggest that the wording within these speculation videos is consistently and clearly stated as speculation? Perhaps a clear warning that you are heading into speculation after discussing Henry, Duke of Cornwall and Henry Fitzroy? Additionally, possibly saying "alleged" or "possible" children throughout? Some people take shows like the Tudors or the Other Boleyn Girl or even talks like these ones as gospel when we can't really definitively nail down enough evidence to say it's true. Unless there is DNA testing that I don't know about that has proven these "possible children" are actually Henry's, it would be far more accurate to label them as "alleged" or "possible". Once again, I appreciate and enjoy your videos, I always look forward to watching them and can't wait to see what you come up with next. Cheers!

[@bijeshmaroo6712]

I’m impressed you had the patience to type all of this-

[@IceQueen007]

@@bijeshmaroo6712 having a desktop and keyboard helps out a bit :)

[@ninedaysqueen301]

Say it for the people in the back of the room!

[@StonedustandStardust]

So sad that poor Catherine was not allowed to love her son. I'm not surprised he died, without his parents, who knows if he received any real love.

[@catherineenglish9542]

What a gem this production is ! A treasure of little facts I've never learned of before ! Thank you for this interesting and very informative piece .

[@QSagitterrorist]

The segue into the skillshare ad.....BRAVO!! Lol I love the voice