Lindybeige and The Chieftain ramble over a Churchill tank (with added Sherman)

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Yes, this one is very long, and my hair is worse than usual. Two men who know too much about tanks talk for too long about just two tanks (with a number of side-tracks).
One annoying thing is that all the picture-in pictures illustrating what we are talking about when we are seated in the front of the Churchill have somehow been thrown out of synch and all come in too early. Unfortunately, KZbin does not enable me to upload an alternative version of this without losing all the views and comments.
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[@nic12344]

"I've been pulled over for speeding in my tank" Isn't it the most badass thing you can say?

[@ChapuleTaylor]

Not in france

[@thomasjoyce7910]

"I stopped a speeding tank" is pretty badass, though.

[@ArchonCommando]

I get wet hearing that and i'm not even a girl.

[@Otacatapetl]

How about "I wrote off a tank"? My brother managed it - he drove it off the side of a mountain. It wasn't damaged but they couldn't get it back on the road.

[@QoraxAudio]

@@thomasjoyce7910 Stopping a tank is iconic, especially in China: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5apq5iEdq14nrc

[@JackG79]

These two could honestly do a weekly television show together and I guarantee you 90% of men would watch it

[@samueltexasbelavarga5571]

Like Top Gear or the Grand Tour.

[@1425363878]

@@samueltexasbelavarga5571 Top Gun or German World Tour II

[@Th0ughtf0rce]

@@1425363878 World War Tour

[@jayg1438]

I was thinking more like Red-Green for those really nerdy and older among us

[@Flacto-vs6np]

Ill literally stay up for it

[@steinmaniac7920]

"Aren't you a bit tall to be a tanker?" -Princess Leia

[@ComdrPirozhki]

“Yes, Yes I am” -Phineas Flynn

[@Twirlyhead]

I see the problem, guys. You are 1/72 scale and that is a 1/76 scale tank.

[@sparetime2475]

Lol

[@Muck006]

Nope ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants

[@OddBallThe4th8382]

very good funniest commentt i've read for a while

[@raseli4066]

I hate when my tankers are too big for my tanks

[@atnorange5491]

Lol good one

[@RainytheNB]

18:43 "look at this wasted space! somethings gotta go here!" "F I F T E E N T I N S O F B I S C U I T S"

[@MostlyPennyCat]

Dear Germans. If You Stop Shooting At Us We'll Give You Biscuits.

[@holyravioli5795]

And tea.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

@@holyravioli5795 No, over our dead bodies do they get our tea.

[@cpt-cheese3489]

Holy Ravioli na that’s ours they can get their own tea

[@MostlyPennyCat]

@@cpt-cheese3489 Yeah, go bother the Italians, they've got espresso machines in theirs

[@naturemad9632]

It’s just two experts correcting each other and very passive aggressive arguments

[@UkrainianPaulie]

One expert....one book reader.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

Its a youtube comment section in real life.

[@geezlers]

The Chieftain is an expert. He actually uses primary sources to back up his arguments, whereas Lindybeige goes on inane ramblings based on factoids and anecdotes he's heard at some point or another.

[@willykaranikolas2391]

Ehhh more like just 1 expert correcting the other "expert" AKA The Chieftain telling Lindy what hes not taking into consideration and doesn't know about

[@davieshire3698]

The level of bickering is glorious. Neither has the ability to admit fault and its great as a result.

[@EnderLord007]

"The top speed of this vehicle is literally under the speed limit, I can't be speeding in it."

[@Tepid24]

The M1 is limited to ~70kph. That's plenty enough to break laws in.

[@daksanders4579]

@@Tepid24 45mph with a speed governor, roughly 55mph without. I think the Chieftain himself said that, either that or I'm remembering it from an M1 tanker saying so in a documentary.

[@Tepid24]

@@daksanders4579 That's why I said limited :p Those higher speeds are definitely possible and there's plenty of people who have tried and achieved it, but it's not in any official documentation afaik and does need a bit of jury-rigging. Besides, 70kph (~45mph) is already enough to break laws.

[@justinflowers9380]

@@Tepid24 Well, it truly depends where you're driving. Most highways, state routes, and state highways (in the U.S.) are about 35-80 mph speed limits. So unless you're driving in residential streets you're really not breaking the speed limit.

[@Solnoric]

@@daksanders4579 at 45 when you're buttoned up, it looks like you're going mach 1 through the viewing blocks

[@ToastytheG]

Two fish are in a tank. One turns to the other and says "do you even know how to drive this thing?"

[@catfish552]

The other says "Holy crap, a talking fish!"

[@gordonlawrence4749]

LMAO superb both of you.

[@WarblesOnALot]

+catfish552 G'day... Yay Team...! I'll pay that..., bruckin' filliant ; olde Bean, well said ! Happy Solstice Festival... Have a good one, ;-p Ciao !

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

Those are some tall bloody fish.

[@nellyboy86.02]

ToastytheG 😂😂

[@GeorgeRadu95]

A homeless and a cowboy get inside the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

[@simbachvazo6530]

This goes several ways at once and many arent good

[@alanwayte432]

Oh George such wit...did you think of that during your shift at KFC

[@sacredgeometry]

You cant use adjectives like that.

[@antontalbot9148]

This is basically why Google translate is so bad.

[@deltavee2]

@@antontalbot9148 Because the Prime Minister is yipping his head off and it won't translate?

[@Nyeoom]

Me: Where would someone even piss in there? Lindy and Chief in Unison: SHELL CASINGS!

[@vaclav_fejt]

Too short for a storm trooper, too tall for a tanker.

[@2adamast]

The only Star Wars uniform that fits him is Darth Vader

[@vaclav_fejt]

or Leia's copper bikini

[@2adamast]

True, ... if you have a hammer. Even after flattening the cups hammering an extra 4" to the bands is needed.

[@KumaBran]

Adamast He could also wear a Wookie Banderole...in beige!

[@AlbertoSantosDumont819]

why even live

[@tantryl]

I always love the polite tension of two expert/enthusiasts testing their knowledge against each other. They aren't setting out to do it but talking about things in detail just necessarily leads to it and they politely try not to disagree with one another.

[@rawnukles]

Oh there was definitely some rivalry in this video. It was a tank talk cage match. I pronounce The Chirfton, The winner. Lindy refused to bow down to his seasoned opponent's real world tanking experience and paid the price. ding ding.

[@XShifty0311X]

@yeoldebiggetee considering that Nicholas works as a tank historian for Wargaming, hes literally a tank historian as a profession. He has more time and resources to dive into the documents and memoirs regarding all things tanks. Not to mention his job ensures he gets plenty of time spelunking in historical tanks.

[@XShifty0311X]

@yeoldebiggetee Go watch the chieftain's channel, where he goes through tanks with a fine tooth comb. The man goes over how to maintain each vehicle, sits and explains every position in detail and even breaks into the vehicle's manual when needed. This man has a wide array of tanks to compare with. And being an actual tanker does give him a leg up on Lloyd. He doesn't have to imagine how a crew works together or having a tank as your home, he's lived it. Just because it's in an M1 and not a churchhill doesn't change how the crew interacts or how they have to work together to fight and maintain the vehicle.

[@beersmurff]

@yeoldebiggetee Your premise is flawed. Chief isnt the common Vauxhall driver. He's a trained tanker who has worked as a tanker for more than 20 years. Not only as a tanker but also a person who has to command a squadron of tanks and more. So he's more like a professional Rally driver. Those guys know more about the basics of most cars than the avergae Joe. Even though they never sat in a Ferrari, they know the principles behind and what is good and what works with what and how. Lindy is the book worm who, albeit knows more than most, doesnt have the real life experience with tanks or mechanics to draw the same conclusions as Chief. Lindy has a tendency to rely too much on books written by other book worms who never sat in a tank in combat or training. I love them both and they make a good team, but I'd rely more on Chief to be right in a discussion than Lindy. Lindy does however come up with some great questions and findings. Like the lack of space for helmets and so on.

[@Avalanche041]

@yeoldebiggetee Sorry for response 5 months later. You do make some good points. Chieftan himself admits that his ability to drive an M1 Abrams has absolutely no baring on his knowledge of WWII vehicles. His national bias can be explained simply by the fact that he is the resident historian for WG NA. His job takes him to the US national archives which is where he gets most of his documentation. Of course, his position has given him access to various museums and a level of access your average person could only dream of. He has also had the opportunity to comb the minds of veterans and some of the top minds in the history of armored warfare. So to say that Lindybeige knows as much about WWII armor as the Chieftain is not really fair to Nicholas.

[@yarus5889]

An Irish man and a Brit stuck in a small space? This will prove interesting

[@robertzavala92]

*Welshman hops nonchalantly into the tank dressed as a referee....

[@repeatedaction4273]

Robert Zavala scots brings the drink

[@robertzavala92]

@@repeatedaction4273 and indeed they do.

[@SMC01ful]

What could possibly go wrong?

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

Nonsense, 99.999% of Irish and Brits get on very well indeed. Most of us are distantly related anyway. It's only the tiny minority of violent psychopathic nutters who shit in the pool.

[@chrisbingley]

"Stinking haven of human afinity." Sounds like submarine crews.

[@Archangelm127]

Common in many fields of military endeavor.

[@boydgrandy5769]

Submarines smell of body odor, diesel fuel, old socks and dead fish, after a week under way. Before the mid 1980s, we covered the stink with liberal application of tobacco smoke. After two weeks, you can't smell any of it. When you get back in port, you can't believe how badly a submarine stinks. Good times.

[@davidkueny2444]

"A cheap tank simulator would be a small fitted kitchen inside a telephone box, on a trampoline, next to a motorway." -Lloyd

[@samholdsworth420]

Sounds like a stinking Haven of human affinity

[@roadie3124]

The dialog between a historian, who knows this stuff academically, and a military officer, who known this stuff practically and through training as well as academically, is very interesting.

[@nagantm441]

Lindy isn't a historian

[@bobbyjoe1111]

a "historian" hahahaha good one

[@puliturchannel7225]

@@nagantm441 He's an archeologist, amongst other things. I would say he's historian enough.

[@201bio]

@@nagantm441 You could argue that he's a pop historian.

[@stuartcampbell3861]

I suspect the only requirement to be a Churchill tank crew member would be to be born a midget with a penchant for self harm

[@samueltexasbelavarga5571]

Im one out of the two. And im six foot seven.

[@stuartcampbell3861]

@@samueltexasbelavarga5571 well i guess midget is out of the equation so that only leaves....

[@samueltexasbelavarga5571]

Yeah I would be fine in a Ch.urchhill

[@gryph01]

I was in a Canadian M-109 once. At 5'8", I wore me helmet to prevent a head injury. Can't imagine being in a tight turret like a Churchill

[@Milamberinx]

I'm quite tall, and begin to feel claustrophobic when I can't move my legs, or if I can't turn my head. I remember getting a panicky feeling when my brother and I would hide under his bed and I couldn't move my head. I can't imagine how horrible it would have been to be in that loader's seat.

[@MajWMartin]

Like watching two sports fans arguing over players.

[@Duncecap64]

thats has nothing to do with the price of Fish Zarkar. Even the Chieftain himself said so in his "Myths about american armor" vid.

[@lancaster5077]

A tanker from the Irish army - who are well known for their daring feats of armoured warfare.

[@coolathlon]

As he said in the video: He was in the Irish Army and now is a tanker in the US. @The_Chieftain even as employed in the Iraq.

[@SnoutBaron]

+Lancaster50 From his bio. "I was a Cavalry trooper, and in Iraq, I led a Tank Platoon. When I served in Afghanistan, I became a Troop Commander/Assistant Squadron S-3 (Operations officer) and I'm currently the S1 (Administrative Officer) for a training unit with the rank of Major."

[@lordofthenecrotyr]

in the best way

[@zackbobby5550]

"If the armor was slanted then the porthole would be staring into the sky." That may be the most British thing I have ever heard lmao.

[@Jrez]

I have heard much more British things, out of the mouth of Lindybeige himself

[@F1fan4eva]

Zack Bobby precisely which part of that sounds British? Armour? Slanted? Porthole? Staring? Sky? Which part?

[@Uocjat]

@@F1fan4eva the entire "you make a good argument, but things are as they are, so i shall invent a counterargument of most infallible logic, so there!" of it

[@Blitz-0012]

"reality is not fun" Bah, I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want realistic games. Why play some unrealistic shooter when you can die of dysentery two miles away from the front line.

[@xeper90]

Yeah, I think War Thunder feels a bit better than World of Tanks for realism, but I'm not a real tanker ofc lol

[@ChapuleTaylor]

underrated comment I want this on a shirt

[@doktordiklegz]

It's a cool concept, but honestly I'd much rather experience something you could only create virtually. Why escape reality to a shittier simplified reality?

[@petep8828]

I too want this on a shirt!

[@cognitivedisability9864]

lol if world of tanks was realistic almost nothing would beat the tiger and it would smash most, of its own era. realisticly its issues would be mechanical or resources. its a bit ironic

[@catsupchutney]

Lindybeige is obviously in love with that tank, forgiving all the discomfort as if it were a girlfriend with body odor.

[@sam8404]

@@williambodin5359 agreed. My favorite ww2 tank is the Tiger 1, but I know damn well it's far from perfect

[@mistertree553]

sam8404 on the bright side, if the engine breaks, you’re now a pillbox!

[@dustinshadle732]

i love the M5, but i think it needed to get a 5cm main cannon, and it could be done. the chinese put some 47mm cannon in theirs. i got to drive the M5, and it was fun as hell! upgrade the engine and trans as into 1943, it could be made to be a great recon tank, slap on some additional armor, upgrade the suspension a bit, and then you could be sure that, if you were able to slip into a flanking shot with additional units, that 5cm cannon would take out most tanks going right up their rear. the only other "tank" i have driven was the M42A1 Duster. thats actually for aircraft. twin 40mm cannon! there was a story my old bus driver told me about one of these sitting in a lot of brush, there was also a command car and 3 jeeps, and a number of men that were there were wounded. there was a T34/85 that must have been scouting. it parked itself out about 120 yards ahead of these guys, and seemed to be observing the valley below. the US troops were getting ready to sneak out since they really didnt have the means to take on the tank and most were wounded. the m42 loaded AP and API and got some other clips ready. the commander was going to give the north korean some surprise butt sex . those things were pretty nimble and so when they got the signal, they let loose with almost a minute of continuous fire. working over the engine and the rear of the turret, they completely messed up the tankers night. killed the engine, split the rear of the turret and ignited the fuel. only 2 survived the attack from the rear, but i havent read of the account and that sounds like something worthy of the medal. i do, however, have no doubt that the tank would have lost its engine and most of the crew, because even a big russian diesel engine wouldnt stop 40mm API ammo from point blank range with the AAA tanks rate of fire.

[@5000mahmud]

The Churchill VIII (The tank their sitting in) had some of the thickest frontal armour of any allied tank during WW2. 152mm of armour on the front hull, thicker than the Tiger 1!

[@cognitivedisability9864]

@@mistertree553 with the best gun in the war lol

[@joesphistalin2800]

I could imagine a comedy called "2 blokes in a tank" and it's just 2 British tank crewmen trying to man the tank and they're too tall. Basically this video but in a series in ww2.

[@purpleanex]

Young Mongolian Prince ...the chieftain isn't British...

[@joesphistalin2800]

purpleanex that's part of the fun, they each have their different cultures and nations and argue about different random things (Like the helmet thing)

[@danb4900]

Wouldnt last a season

[@TribuneAquila]

Comedians smoking cigarettes on tanks

[@dennispremoli7950]

"Being pulled over by MP for speeding in a tank", shoudl be in everyone's CV.

[@jameson1239]

Dennis Premoli I would have just said I’m in a tank I don’t care

[@Jrez]

If I could drive a tank I would, trust me.

[@tonyrigby7948]

1978 - Leopard AS1 road run on my drivers course in Australia. Hanging the gun barrel of a tank over the back of the MP convoy escort vehicle at 104kmh, when the MPs said the top speed of our vehicle was 100kph, and they were going to stick to the 100kph speed limit on the highway - Priceless. Hey, I was just a driver-in-training and my Driving Instructor/Crew Commander told me to catch up to them. That is on my CV.

[@stormboss57]

Chieftain has a strange combination of accents.

[@matcauthon9669]

He's an Irishman who lives in California. It's a wonder that we can understand him.

[@buggs9950]

He's from all over the place.

[@spencerlee7852]

Sound's like Christopher Waltz in Django Unchained

[@Jrez]

@@matcauthon9669 better than a Welshman that lives in Queensland.

[@eliwatson7936]

Jrezky shouldn’t that be New South Wales?

[@Mahbu]

"I'll climb into the commander hatch" "That's. . fair. ."

[@NavidIsANoob]

46 minutes of rambling about tanks? This is the ultimate Christmas present.

[@genericfakename8197]

I once had a bloke at a museum in Calgary insist that an M1 Carbine was a Lee Enfield. I still get infuriated when I remember the confident arrogance of that man.

[@heymansupman1595]

GenericFakeName how is that even possible? One is an American semi auto carbine, the other a British bolt??? The fuuuck

[@Raygun222]

That man needs to see a doctor.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

I had a man insist that a Romanian PSL marksmen's rifle, manufactured in Cugir rifle factory, was in-fact a real Russian SVD. I even pointed out the Cugir armory markings and told him that I owned Romanian rifles made in the exact same factory, he wouldn't have a word of it. Nevermind the fact that both rifles have noticeably different handguards that any moderately trained eye could catch. Stubborn people are fun aren't they?

[@MultiZirkon]

I was once told by a Pole that Poland participated in WW2; like I hadn't known it since primary school. ...he had just read it, and he was in his middle twenties. His confidence and arrogance when he was insisting that should be something "new" for me, still makes me infuriated...

[@genericfakename8197]

@@xmm-cf5eg I pulled out my phone, opened two chrome tabs and showed him "you see, the Enfield is much longer and has this sized reciever, no gas system and has hand guards like so" and so on but this guy would have none of it. I feel like a cunt for saying this but after a few different museum incidents with vets giving out terrible misinformation I feel it strongly - An honourable discharge doesn't make you an expert on all forms of warfare, yeah if I need some pointers about the particular theatre you can act as a primary source. I support the idea in theory of hiring lots of vets at war museums, sounds good, but getting shot at in Kandihar doesn't actually teach you anything about the specifics of historical artifacts.

[@CarcharothQuijadasdelased]

Me at 8min mark: "nice vid, but lest go to sleep, tomorrow I watch the rest" Me at 4am: "I regret nothing"

[@Paramecium914]

I see you havnt discovered watching youtube vids at 2x speed yet.

[@CarcharothQuijadasdelased]

At 2X the sound is too distorted to my taste (English isn't my first language either), but at 1.5x its ok. Thanks ;)

[@Paramecium914]

Glad I could help :)

[@MrRugbylane]

Irish people speak at 2x speed normally anyway.

[@tjroelsma]

Image being in a tank with these two characters: "There's a tree in the way." "But it's only a small tree, I shall drive through it." "No, it's a really big tree, you should go around." "Really? How annoying. Oh well, I shall give a jolly good tug on the steering yoke then."

[@soyunbanano166]

Then the 3° guy well lets shot at that fking tree! This two: Wait don't they' ll find us 4° guy okey so Im not moving this this shit then.

[@visionist7]

And saying "Huzzah!" a lot

[@jhlogue]

I love Lindy wearing 4 layers of coats over his sweater, shirt and undershirt and doesn't think anything of it as he squirms his way down the porthole of a tank.

[@Crispywithextrabutter]

This video is a beautiful case study into the intricacies of passive aggressive point scoring, nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking and quibbling over semantics lmao

[@tomr6955]

It's cringe

[@tonyrigby7948]

You have obviously never gone out for a drink with tank crewmembers, past or present. It's not a brawl, it's a discussion.

[@nagantm441]

Not sure why it cringey, they seem to get along very well

[@Hrochnick]

@@nagantm441 I actually got the impession they didn't much like each other at all.

[@nagantm441]

@@Hrochnick how?

[@shorttimer874]

Two things: When I went into the US Army in 1971 I got tricked by my recruiter (big surprise) I was offered one guarantee and one preference. I really wanted to be a tanker, so I thought I had gotten that as my guarantee, and thought it would be nicer to go to Germany rather than 'Nam. So I got the second, spent my first year at Ft Knox and the last two in Bamberg, which was great. But when I finished basic my orders were for armored reconnaissance and intelligence specialist instead of the armor school. Had no idea what that was, and found out I had signed up for 11 Armor, which was 11E at the time but ended up 11D, Recon, which was considered part of Armor. Never got to drive a tank :-( but in the long run being in the Recon platoon got us out of the motor pool much more often than the line animals did. Second thing is that the M114A1E1, for all it's faults, had a huge amount of room in it even if we had a full 3 man crew, which wasn't often. We had to scoot around in it on our butts, but even fully loaded there was plenty of room, never saw the fourth seat, a jump seat really, put to use, and it was easy to stretch out inside to take a snooze.

[@danphariss133]

Having served time in a mech infantry unit in VN I can tell you that volunteering for armor is the last thing I would do. I HATED working with the 1/77 equipped with M48s. Unless then were on a hard road they were a huge PITA. Açav was not so bad, but they used too pair them with a mech infantry platoon for protection, we kept the NVA at arms length with foot patrols so they got less RPGs shot at them. Being dismounted was not part of their operation manual. The upside was fire power much more than a typical infantry platoon when mounted or in a NDP. Downside was the enemy knew how to fight us with minimal casualties. Land mines and 2-4 man RPG teams in the right spot. You can’t ride inside a M113 or this M114 thing with anti-tank mines around. So you gotta ride on top. And you need to get the hell away from it if the RPGs start coming in. Drive a tank? Not this guy. They wanted me to be a track driver but drivers, while they seldom did ambush or other infantry stuff they had to maintain the damned things and I was not going be s grease monkey. And finally as was stated in one of Bill Mauldin’s cartoons of WW-II in Europe as Willie and Joe are looking up from a 1/2 completed fighting position at the TC in a Sherman and one is saying to the tanker; “Not really, a movin foxhole tends to attract the eye”..

[@duchessskye4072]

Imagine a conversation between a WW2 veteran and his son: Son: So, what did you do in the army? Veteran: I was actually a tanker, a loader in a Churchill VII. Magnificent beast it was. Son: So, was the reason you lost your leg because you got shot by another tank? Veteran: --- Son: ? Veteran (mumbling): Uh, I kinda dropped my food and was gonna bend over and get it and my foot kinda snagged. Son: ...

[@vindicator05]

Famous last words. This time: The guy behind the flamethrower: "How do I actually shut this hatch?" - "Erm... I'm going to guess it's... this... handle...err... no! There you go! There you go!!"

[@saidpolat]

If this was to be turned into a regular show I would watch the shit out of each episode several times like a little kid.

[@peterdavy6110]

Seeing two 6 foot plus guys in a Churchill explains why the Guards Armoured Division had Shermans.

[@stephanl1983]

They also had Churchill tanks. There is one in Overloon War Museum, NL. 11th Guards Armoured Brigade, attached to 3rd (UK) Infantry Division during the Battle of Overloon. It was destroyed by a Anti Tank mine if I remember. The driver took out the wound hull gunner, the TC managed to escape by himself, but they couldn't rescue the two gunners, und must hear when they burned alive...

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Which was the better tank for Western Europe? How about North Africa? Italy?

[@nukclear2741]

@@Chironex_Fleckeri Which one had more men get out of them.

[@Max-hb9yu]

Bill Bopperton depends on the situation you are in, these are two completely different vehicles designed to fill two different roles in two different army’s. They both have strengths and weaknesses.

[@commandpower1172]

That “wasted space” in the Churchill behind the radio operator is where the pump for the flamethrower would go

[@davidpahtoon2277]

"Battle of the Bulge! Americans are in trouble!" "Something to do with nuts, yeah? They ran out of nuts?"

[@ED-es2qv]

It’s interesting to note that what you were trained to do seems less risky than other jobs. I was an Airborne Ranger, and I felt like a huge target in an airplane or truck, but let me out and I feel like the scariest thing in the woods. The airplane crew just wants to stay on the plane, the submariner just wants in his boat (I know, I have breakfast with them). The tanker wants in his tank, I imagine, and underway. I also don’t want to be in the tank, I want to be out where I can see, hear, and smell what’s around me. I’m guessing training is designed to make you think you have exactly the right job.

[@minuteman4199]

"Three staves and stave end"make up the cleaning rod for the main gun.

[@catfish552]

And I'm guessing the "intermediate" is used to connect staves together.

[@casinbound5894]

Realism can absolutely be fun. I had an absolute blast playing the Invasion 1944 mod for Arma back in the day.

[@thekaasmaster8172]

CasInbound but sometimes it just sucks

[@drewinsur7321]

ooooooooh my dude..... i44 was my shit back in the day. shame the mod is unpopular on arma 3, even iron front mod...

[@drewinsur7321]

another sad mod was ww2 mod on PR (project reality if u not familiar). look it up: project reality world war 2 bludrake. does were the days.....

[@drewinsur7321]

i just remembered Battlefied 2 Forgotten Hope II... another legendary mod... but at least we got Hell Let Loose, and Post Scriptum, wich is nice.

[@404killer]

Oh I fully agree! Arma is great.

[@LaatiMafia]

I feel bad. They talk about a Sherman and Churchill while the most interesting tank of WW2 just sits behind them. #TogLife

[@KoeSeer]

come on now, if they sit in a TOG, they could get lost in the interior of the tank.

[@sparetime2475]

#toglife4life

[@sparetime2475]

#toglifechoseme

[@HiTechOilCo]

Laatikkomafia - The TOG II is not a WWII tank. It was obsolete before WWII even began.

[@sparetime2475]

HiTechOilCo it was made during ww2 obsolete or not so it is a ww2 tank

[@StaleDoritoCrumb]

These 2 are the best dynamic duo together.

[@galatian5]

They inspired the movie Batman v Superman.

[@AMpr0d]

"Pulled over for speeding in my tank". Imagine: "You want to write me a ticket? Don't you know I have a 120mm right here?".

[@F1fan4eva]

AMPed101 and what? You're gonna shoot the MP for writing you a ticket with the HE round from that 120mm gun?

[@kristofevarsson6903]

@@F1fan4eva You must get invited to all the parties...

[@swampdonkey1567]

@@F1fan4eva know I'm a use armor piercing

[@kwicksandz]

@@F1fan4eva give him a burst of the 50cal to show him who’s boss

[@TheBienator]

watching this while playing warthunder

[@thespareace6659]

Same thing. Currently finished my Ground Forces task for the Operation WINTER. Now I'm doing the Air event.

[@Litterbugtaylor]

I've played roughly 30x the amount of world of tanks than war thunder and my time with war thunder was a far more fun use of time.

[@GuntherRommel]

Because WT is best tank, bro.

[@prylosecorsomething3194]

War thunder is far superior

[@jodinha4225]

Lol same xD

[@ryanaegis3544]

One of my favorite stories from WWII British Tankers was offloading after D-Day. They were on American Navy transports, and while waiting their turn to offload, made friends. The Americans saw what the Brits had as side arms, and shook their heads, giving them Thompson's instead. The Americans saw what the Brits had for rations, and again shook their heads. They promptly gave the British tankers all sorts of goods out of the ship's pantry, including canned peaches. The Brits asked if they had to sign for it, and the Americans looked at them rather incredulously. No, the only rule was to not leave any opened box, as that was evidence that something was missing. So the British tankers, with the American seamen's' help, proceeded to unload their tanks, including all of their ammunition besides what was in the turret, and instead filled every nook and cranny with American rations. This was when the artificial harbors were being built, so the beaches were essentially clear, and I imagine the Brits got a few good days of eating before they had to restock with ammo and join the fight.

[@blockboygames5956]

This is a great story. Thank you

[@robertfish9271]

I’ve taken a lot of head bumps during my time as a tanker, luckily I’ve got a really thick skull

[@jeffcombs1297]

We need more of these two gentlemen in tanks , was fantastic

[@douglasfulmer5483]

Seeing Lindy dissapear was like Gandalf fighting the Balrog.

[@moosemaimer]

Fashion for soldiers is incredibly important. I've always said an army marches on the crispness of its pleats.

[@SnowmanTF2]

Was hoping for a duel 'OMG the tank is on fire' test, but enjoyed you doing one

[@electricfutures5850]

Another point well made by Lindy and The Chieftan is that WWII was primarily about industrial production. Germany was always going to lose the war because they didn't understand (or didn't have the capabilities) that to win they had to out produce their adversaries. Both America and Russia out produced everyone else. America built a town and a massive factory (Willow Run) just to produce B24 Liberator bombers. The Sherman was also designed for mass production and ease of maintenance.

[@immikeurnot]

At peak production of each; one B24 an hour out of Willow Run, and one Liberty Ship a day from the shipyards. Add to that 2 M4's every hour... 24 heavy bombers a day (just of that one type!), 48 tanks a day, and a ship a day (and again, just the one type) to carry those and other things over to the fight. You just can't win against that. And the longer you hold out, the worse the eventual beat down is going to get.

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

Even Britain outproduced the Germans in many areas. The whole German concept of war was a a short, sharp, overwhelming attack. They had no strategic bombers, low levels of mechanisation outside of the spearhead units and the best thing of all; an arse called Hitler who stuck his finger into every pie and who caused endless rivalries between all upper echelon Nazis.

[@EthanThomson]

@@grendelgrendelsson5493 to be fair, when hitler made choices they actually proved to be valid orders, like capturing the oil fields of the caucases

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

@@EthanThomson Indeed he did but he was still the biggest liability for the German Armed forces.

[@EthanThomson]

@@grendelgrendelsson5493 not really actually. a lot of the generals wanted to fight a manuever war, essentially a constant blitzkrieg, when they didnt have the manpower or resources to actually do so hitler ordered units to stand ground which would have been more in line with the actual political and economic situation they were actually in. TIK did an excellent video explaining this

[@gamewizard1760]

I don't know why Chieftan does these videos. He keeps getting stuck inside the tanks or hatches. They need to get someone small like Richard Hammond to do the interior filming.

[@Oridux]

Didn't he drive the Top Gear Police Department tank of righteousness?

[@matthayward7889]

I’m 5’5” and I’ll happily volunteer

[@Crazy_Worlds]

Actually, THAT is a really good suggestion! Hammond!

[@steeljawX]

"It's like tank warfare without all the death." I'm now recalling the TC's words whenever I ended up dying in that game. "That's it, we're done. Let's go home." or something to that extent. . . . .

[@endlesnights3817]

Well, this was one of the greatest video of the year by far. The Cheiftan is a fantastic chap I've had to the please to run into him a few times at various tank museums. Perhaps on the 14th of Febuary, the two of you should take a look at a Valentine Tank

[@Kingfisherk26]

20:40 "If its stupid but it works...its not stupid"... Gr8 let me write that down! I am going to use that at work tomorrow!!!

[@FiikusMaximus]

1:38 *cheeky banter*

[@eddard9442]

hahah loved it, he gave it to him.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

"Two very large men in a small tank" this is what the internet if for.......well done gents! Its 2 am I should be asleep but this is way too interesting, brilliant filming in a very difficult environment really conveys some idea of being a tanker.

[@neilcole8158]

Thank you Lindybeige, I have enjoyed your videos for years, and a few months ago your video here introduced me to the Chieftain for the first time, and I've been eating up all his fascinating videos recently. I've never been a tank guy, my interest has always been in aircraft and warships, but Chieftain has started a new interest for me in armour, and I'm really enjoying it!

[@rickgraham8701]

I was a rock climber. Biggest danger is falling to your inevitable death. Inevitable even with a helmet.

[@krutogge]

lucky that batman got wings then.

[@jimjones3516]

The trick is to make sure you land on your head.

[@gamesbokgamesbok7246]

Rick Graham If you're worried about falling off, climb without a rope, then you can't fall off.

[@VelikiHejter]

if you fall you are dead. Falling rocks and equipment can kill you too but that can be prevented by helmet. That is why you do not climb without a helmet.

[@Matt_10203]

@@VelikiHejter unless you're Alex honnold.

[@Mystakaphoros]

btw, doing these videos for sponsors where you actually go on to talk about the subject that is related to the sponsor is quite good. I like it. it's seamless.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

It's such a shame these tanks have been stripped of theirs internals. They should get one back to fighting trim

[@jackprier7727]

This is terrific! 2 mad tank guys with differing knowledge and delivery, making a great combo of fun and information-

[@TheJimboslav]

My grandpa served in the Czechoslovakian army in 1946-7 and he told me stories how many tankers, especially the drivers, who fought in the west during WW2 (therefore used Churchills, Shermans etc.) absolutely hated the T34. Apparently it was a lot less user friendly...

[@lryoung3655]

TheJimboslav the t34 was a death trap. My dad did national service in the 50s in Germany and he studied them and said they weren't built for safety. The fuel tanks were right beside the drivers heads for instance.

[@lamenter7612]

wait are you talking about the T34 Or T-34?

[@lryoung3655]

Nikolaj Jensen i didnt realise there was a difference.. i mean the ones that fought against the fins

[@TheJimboslav]

Nikolaj Jensen me neither I didn't know there was a difference

[@lamenter7612]

well the T34 is an american heavy tank and the T-34 is the russian tank.

[@iSirLincoln]

"Got pulled over for speeding in Iraq" hahah, I love the comments that come out of Military life.

[@Erpyrikk]

a 45 minute video Yes, so much Yes

[@jhfridhem]

ErikThorvald 45 acp is best confrimd

[@eVolution2665]

The slope in the basket at the back of the turret could be for the driver still beeing able to put his head outside even when the gun barrel is rotated towards the back to save space

[@pieshka4509]

Lindybeige just keeps making youtube collabs of dreams. Soon I bet he'll have a video where he talks guns with gun jesus Ian

[@sugarnads]

Pieshka Coltic well to be fair he did some with bloke on the range.

[@elsoldadomarquez]

Dellacondan and Bloke on the Range did a collaboration with Ian from Forgotten Weapons, so maybe in the future We can see Ian and Lindy in a video.

[@cre8ivecat23]

elsoldadomarquez Theres a BotR and Forgotten Weapons collab video where they show a clip of Lindy from when he collabed with BotR, so it kind of happened in a way.

[@abk4202020]

I love how history is making a comeback

[@sirboomsalot4902]

33:15 A wild Tog appears!

[@alphalobster8021]

Lindy clearly could not comprehend the nature of human error in high stress real time environments. Looking into designs and techniques of war that took account of human psychological and cognitive limitations would make a great vid.

[@milwaukeemadcow]

Lmao “Are you contradicting the man?”

[@blakewinter1657]

I have to say, I've been a fan of both Lindybeige and The Chieftain for a while now, and I would love to see more collaborative videos between these two.

[@brianartillery]

The Churchill you are in, is a 'Crocodile' flamethrower variant, and although the 'link' to the bowser is well thought out, and armoured, there is still the chance of a 'brew-up' incinerating the crew. A quick escape from there is hindered by all the bits you could get snagged on. And knowing what Germans thought of being a target for a flamethrower generally, you'd probably have been shot as you popped out of the hatches.

[@MalumZeth]

Looks like a VII dressed up as a Crocodile to me.

[@lalucre1803]

Every tanker was shot while popping out of the hatches - or at least most, I dare say. Look up the footage of the Panther vs. Pershing duel in Cologne here on YT, i.e. .

[@DeepPastry]

It used to be the Crocodile, but they removed the flamethrower. It is matched to the trailer though. They are the same vehicle, just with different belly gunner weapons.

[@SuperSpasticNinja]

That's some grim shit. Seems like nobody really wins here lol. The guys on the ground getting roasted are probably not to thrilled for obvious reasons. The guys the riding claustrophobic-fiery-death-trap probably aren't too thrilled about getting captured by the guys whose buddies they've been fucking marshmellowing all day long...

[@captaincoxwaggle6882]

From what I read, crocodile tankers would usually just do a wet squirt and give the germans a bit of time to surrender before they light them up. Makes it a bit less nasty if the other fellow simply gives up.

[@quantu1112]

Watching two of my favorite KZbinrs arguing... Thank you for that 😁

[@SNP-1999]

#Lindybeige Interesting what you said about German efforts to recover their damaged tanks in France. As an expatriate Englishman living in Hamburg since 1970, I used to have an o!d colleague who was a veteran of the 116th Panzer Division that fought in Normandy and later in the Rhineland against the British. He was a member of the tank regiment's recovery and repair unit and I remember him telling me that while the German tanks were generally better than allied tanks, they were technically very complicated and diverse, meaning that spare parts for one mark were often not compatible for another, making repairs at times extremely complicated and/or the supply of spare parts often limited, which reduced the availability of repaired tanks for action. He said exactly the same as you did, that the British tankers just went back to their depots and got a new tank or one easily repaired due to the great supply of spare parts. I just thought that might interest you.

[@schubs122]

"I got pulled over for speeding in my tank" best line ever

[@minuteman4199]

I used to be a zipperhead (tanker) in the Canadian Army, We call ourselves zipperheads because of the scars we are covered in from bouncing off the inside of our vehicles.

[@Shorjok]

Canadians opt for berets in favour of helmets too?

[@charleswindsor7835]

Minute Man good man glad you didn't bother with those ladyboy helmets

[@minuteman4199]

Helmets went in and out of fashion depending on the commanding officers commitment to "health and safety". Most the time we just wore berets, and I think most people preferred that.

[@minuteman4199]

Shermans were long gone by the time of my service, but I did serve with guys who did use Shermans.

[@realtissaye]

Hey, just curious, what tank did you serve in? I was browsing Wikipedia a couple weeks ago and saw that apparently our armoured forces only had 40 rented leopards and a bunch of APC’s? Is Wikipedia lying to me?

[@Sockan256]

I freaking loved this. you both are damn great. ^^ 46 minutes of lindy bantering and chieftain, love it.

[@taylorashley7111]

i loved every min of this video nice work lindybeige

[@bwilliams463]

26:00 My grandfather was a Sherman tank commander who fought in the battle for Iwo Jima, and he made almost exactly the same remark to me, once: the tankers were glad to be sitting behind armor plate, while the infantry were just as glad not to be trapped in a highly-flammable iron coffin.

[@prestonrenify]

Verrrrry interesting. Enjoyed the banter immensely, particularly on the Sherman. Thanks guys!

[@readhistory2023]

Tankers are made of hardened steel, leather and good quality rubber.

[@wierdalien1]

Hoehner Tim impressively shitty

[@TheDragorin]

excellent video Loyd. i was completely expecting to turn it off after a couple minuets but watched the whole 46 minuets in 1 go.

[@calvinbutterworth5394]

Can you do another one of these on the centurion? LOVED IT!

[@DanBurgaud]

6:47 I agree with the illusion of the top track gives impression of x2 speed

[@martentrudeau6948]

Great video, two big men and a Churchill tank shows what it was like for the British tanker's of WW2. Excellent review +Sherman review and good conversation, thank you.

[@BastuGubbar]

having high quality headphones while watching this is scary becasue whenever some knocking or banging sound is heard it feels like it's right next to me. scared me several times

[@charleswindsor7835]

i was doing the washing up and shat me sen (chased 3 blokes out of me house a bit back so am.... aware at the moment)

[@Jixijenga]

Charles Windsor why do you pay the guard if you're the guy who's chasing off burglars?

[@99IronDuke]

I wish the Chieftain made more of these longer videos.

[@formam1022]

The Thompson was heavy and got in the way, but always fun to use

[@ElHombreGato]

This combination of characters is actually really great with each other I feel like this guy keeps Lloyd grounded and not so speculative and conjectureie... Lol @ 34:34 they actually did plan the Sherman that way because all of their production was done in the homeland of you USA So it needed to be able to work everywhere with little service

[@HumbleDirtMerchant]

30:16 I take issue with your statement, sir! If there is one we Americans have an ample supply of, it's nuts!

[@Top_Hat_Walrus]

Anthony McAuliffe approves

[@KodaCatsune]

And freedom, don’t forget the freedom!

[@TheOhgodineedaname]

2 guys 1 tank. I feel dirty watching this.

[@medicat6494]

1:50

[@Crimsonedge1]

It's even funnier if you click on the link and scroll down the comments to get rid of the video and only listen.

[@Jixijenga]

Two large men inside tight Ms Churchill?! _Oh my._

[@HandFromCoffin]

I'll bet $5 the reason the basket is shaped like that: 1: Contract says make a basket that will hold "x,y,z" all the things you listed 2: Contractor makes basket that almost exactly fits X items because nothing was communicated about if they should conserve space or not. No one questions the choice because they figure it's there for a reason and or the spec said make it hold X and it fulfills that spec. 3: After it's built all the users ask "why is this not square to hold more stuff?"

[@robertmarsh3588]

What a fabulous video. I wasn't sure how this would work, but the chemistry between both experts is excellent.

[@samrussell4065]

Due to bad diet (and malnutirition) the average height of an average working class male by 1940 was considerably less than 6 foot ( the reason why tall men were picked up by Guards Regiments). This ment that tanks were built to the 'average' size for a British male. As to equipment: stretchers would be stowed on the outside (you can't get a stretchered casualty out of ANY WW2 tank, and the Bren would probably be stowed broken down if not intended for immediate use. Most accounts from tank crews refer to using either pistols or Stens. The Sten is considerably less bulky compared to a Thompsen, and the best accounts indicate that if Tommy-guns were present they had been acquired unofficially. Most important clutter was the empty 75mm casing that was always present, and was the main reason for a tank periodically firing its main gun. What was it for? You're butttoned down for most of the day, possibly under shell fire. You're not getting out to use the local facilities...

[@johnburns4017]

Sam Russell Tiger crews were only small men.

[@samrussell4065]

Not when it came to cojones ;) It was probably the same across Europe (not too sure about the US). It's certainly a fact that better diet has meant that people are a lot taller than they were. It would be interesting to get someone who was the average size of a WW2 tankie to give their impression of these tanks, although I imagine that no matter how small you were, you'd feel cramped.

[@paddy864]

Sorry, but surely you don't seriously think that the crew would shoot urine and excrement through their gun-barrel? Not only would it foul the barrel - in every sense - but how would they do it? A 75mm shell was a one piece item after all, you couldn't separate the casing from the projectile, crap in it and then fire it down the barrel you know? Anyway, I'd suggest that if this was a solution it was worse than the problem anyway. In actual fact it would have to be a pretty extreme set of circumstances for a crew not to be able to find a moment in the day when they couldn't just open a hatch and jettison the gash over the side.

[@ricardosoto5770]

And them the brits put the Guardmen in to tanks........ Guards armored division....... 6 footers into Shermans, Cromwells and in the independend brigades, Churchills!!11

[@Ggb129]

@@paddy864 Empty 75 mm cases would make good containers after cooling down.

[@yankeeclipper4326]

Lindybeige: You would make an excellent Dirk Gently! You have the look, the flapping coat, the voice and the bluster!

[@user_____M]

I like how they were honest about WoT.

[@joeblack363]

Honest about what? It not being realistic or that the video is sponsored? If the second one it's required by law.

[@VEpsilon]

Honest? But they called it fun?

[@Nikarus2370]

Had plenty of fun for the couple years I played it.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

V Epsilon as in any MMO, you're starting to have fun when you get good at the game and stop generally sucking and you stop having fun when you start to play competetively and the game becomes a chore. Overall, I mean.

[@VEpsilon]

Joe150 ish I am good, game still isn't fun

[@eriklagergren7124]

When they're talking about the sherman, all I can focus on is the TOG in the background

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

I read a memoir of a British tanker who said that the flamethrower on the Crocodile was so feared that the appearance of one in front of a bunker was usually enough to prompt the German defenders to surrender before the tank went into action. Frankly I dont blame them! Can you imagine being stuck in a bunker with a machine capable of squirting high pressure flaming death at you? It must have been terrifying.

[@klausgartenstiel4586]

actually, in my time it was me the driver who had to cross his arms when going in reverse.