Line 6 Helix - Create A Great Tone - Pt. 22 - DI FOH Output While Feeding Real Guitar Cab...HOW?

[@davidordonez8964]

What about setting the amp+cab at the end of the signal? Say Dry effects > Wet effects > Amp +Cab

[@jerryreff67]

Difference is SO SO subtle that unless you are so tone anal that you can tell the difference between 1 and 2db on a setting, you wouldn't care. Awesome tutorial.

[@JasonSadites]

Thank you so much Jerry :-) I totally agree with what you say here!

[@jrfoster1980]

Great video - I'm late to the party with Helix and running to a cab and FOH at the same time is super useful. Thanks for the video.

[@riosax1536]

Great video again Jason , at first I thought I could hear a subtle difference in definition between the two snapshots but as you say defiantly not a deal beaker and in a live band situation I doubt of anyone would notice ! Thanks again for a very useful video

[@JasonSadites]

Thank you so much Alan :-) I am pretty sure there has to be a difference between the two but not enough for me to worry about...lol My pleasure and glad you enjoyed it!

[@solonasdeimezis1004]

Thank you so much for this one! ! ! You are the best! ! !

[@JasonSadites]

My pleasure and thank you Solonas :-)

[@Natural_Order]

Good stuff!

[@JasonSadites]

Thanks!

[@InGratitudeIam]

Thanks, Jason. You've now expanded the meaning of the term, "Psycho Acoustics!"

[@JasonSadites]

My pleasure IGIA :-) Haha!

[@kaxisa1]

Hi Jason, I was questioning myself about this problem too and here you are, you gave me the answer :) excellent video! Personally i didn't hear any difference to which got me thinking. In the real world the last thing in the chain is your cab so it may probably sound more realistic putting the cab sim at the end. what do you think?

[@JasonSadites]

Oh cool, glad you found the video helpful :-) Concerning your question, I really feel it would be fine placed either way. A lot of times in the studio FX are added after the guitars are recorded, which would be putting them after the cab. I really feel either way is fine.

[@cat6oo]

Hi Jason, great video as always. Quick question, why did you choose to use a gain block + separate path over an fx send block? Was it to preserve the volume control as a master? An fx fx loop send would save your extra path as they have dry thru. Cheers!

[@JasonSadites]

Hey Cat...no other reason than that is the first way I thought of when doing the video :-) Using the Send block would most certainly be a great way of doing it...thanks for the suggestion :-)

[@2Phipps]

So you mean using the send output of the helix and therefore having to add a send block inside the signal chain?

[@Lucas-KnifeHands]

Spot on Jason this is fantastic. But how can you run the dual cab setup to FOH? You covered the dual cabs in the 2nd and 3rd video and I've dialled in my perfect tone. Send help :)

[@checodehoyos]

Great video thanks!, How to control volume individually between xlr & I/4 outputs ?

[@GaryAlexanderMusic]

Jason, I know I'm a little late to the party, but I've decided to upgrade from a Pod Go to the Helix for a lot of reasons, but this one in particular is the main reason I feel I would like to own a Helix. Now I can do something similar on the Pod Go, but when you move the Cab Sim to the end of the chain, it can only be used in mono. It actually changes the stereo signal to mono and there's no way to fix that. I always play in stereo, so my question is... can both of the outputs you set up in this video be configured to stereo? I love the sound of my Harley Benton Thunder 99 Amp Pedal, going to (2) 1x12 speaker cabinets without any cab sims or IR's. I have made my own IR's of the same cabinets for the front of house.

[@Jaymzrock]

I have a question about this process (slightly modified) while calling back to a previous cab-centric video. I will be running my patches very similar to your approach here, except I will be reversing the end of 2B...running 2A straight out to 1/4" and tapping out a cab sim at the tail end of 2B out to XLR. Easy day. In a separate cab video you mentioned that if you run a dual cab setup (which I would prefer) that Helix automatically pans them hard left/right. Do you forsee this being a problem if going straight from there to FOH via XLR? If so, would adding a mono block of some sort (transparent compressor doing nothing, a gain block perhaps) to bounce it back down to mono be a logical workaround?

[@JasonSadites]

That is exactly what you would do Jay is add a mono block after and it sums the 2 cabs to mono....hope that helps :-)

[@daveweaver9019]

If you were going into the front of a combo amp, lets say a VOX AC10 for monitoring, why wouldn’t you split off both the amp and cab so that you have effects only going into the AC10 and the modeled amp and cab signal going to FOH via XLR? With the provided example you would still have an amp going into an amp.

[@JasonSadites]

Going into the front of a real guitar amp was not the topic of this video.

[@daveweaver9019]

⁠@@JasonSadites Thanks Jason - would you like to comment on the scenario I described?

[@jerryreff67]

Great video Jason. A somewhat sidline question. When performing live, do you use in ear? And cab?

[@JasonSadites]

Thanks so much Jerry :-) I have done gigs with both in ear and D.I and also with a cab. Just really depends on the gig and what the setup is for the band.

[@felipealonso8409]

Could this work w/ HX stomp, feeding FOH and a Quilter as frfr?

[@Museeip]

Thanks for another great video Jason. I’ve got a question. I use a Line 6 SpiderValve 112 combo to monitor by sending the Helix to the power amp section. I’ve found that the preamp only model sounds better through the amp. Do you know if I can send a full amp/cab model to FOH and a preamp only model to the power amp?

[@JasonSadites]

My pleasure John and thank you :-) I recently did a video about some alternate routing situations similar to what you describe. You can find them here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXuWl4SgjLV4n5o kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHnTimZ6qpVoY5Y

[@Museeip]

Thanks Jason. The issue I have (unless I missed something) is that scenario sends the full amp-power amp model to my amp. I’ve found that the “real” power amp of my combo colors the tone so it sounds better when I send the preamp model only to the power amp section of the combo. I’m guessing the way I would deal with this is to have a full amp model with speaker that I send XLR to FOH and on a separate path another copy of the amp but only the preamp model that I send to the combo. Sound correct?

[@jbimmler]

Great video! I was scratching my head on this. Can you go stereo out of the xlr’s to FOH while mono to stage amp? Also let’s say I wanted to just use the Helix preamp to stage amp and Helix full amp and IR to FOH, is that possible?

[@JasonSadites]

Thank you so much :-) Yes you should be able to do all the things you suggested. I have a second video up on this topic using Send that may be of interest to you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHnTimZ6qpVoY5Y Hope it helps :-)

[@vincentvansantfoort6162]

Hey so, you can mute strings for the variax, but can you also split them to different outputs? So let's say EAD to one output in the Helix and GBE to another?

[@Zzzerof0xxX]

So, this is a better way than using a Send/return block?

[@GtrMan863]

I want that basic patch , where can i get it?

[@DavidMacVicar]

Hey Jason. Confused about how one would do this. Let's say you have power cab +. I want to send xlr with cab sims to FOH and line 6 digital link to powercab. To get the amp sims right for FOH sound I'd need to dial that tone in on the powercab in FRFR to ensure it sounds the way I want as a cab simulated sound for the sound guy. But then on my 2nd path that goes out to my power cab via digital link I'd dial that in totally different for my amp in the room sound? Basically in this setup how do I ensure my cab sim tone for FOH is what I want the sound guy to hear

[@JasonSadites]

You could also split the signal at the Helix and send a signal to the PowerCab that has no speaker sim on it and use the PowerCab to monitor on stage and send a different output from the Helix to FOH. There are a lot of different ways to run it. Not sure if that helped at all :-)

[@DavidMacVicar]

@@JasonSadites Helpful for sure! You are the man. I guess I was more so thinking, what is the reference point for the path going to the FOH? How do you know it sounds good? Are you using headphones? Powercab? Stagesource speakers? Its easy to dial in the powercab tone cause its next to you on stage so you have a perceivable good tone; but what would you use to dial in the tone on the path going to FOH so you know it sounds good?

[@JasonSadites]

I would probably record it to my daw and listen back to it to get the tone right or as you mentioned listen to it through a different set of speakers.

[@JHdgsn903]

If you’re using the mastering section to compensate for the impulse. Why not put the cab before the effects but the split before the cab? The output to your personal cab might not need the same eq cuts and compression as the FOH sound anyway.

[@JasonSadites]

Did I say somewhere that I was compensating for the impulse with the mastering section? I don't think I did, but if so that is not what I use it for. I use it on all my presets and it is an integral part of the tone and something I want to go to both front of house and my personal monitor. I have things placed exactly where I like them to be, others may or may not like it that way and they are free to change it around. That is the beauty of the Helix, it is a very simple task to simply drag things around to suit your needs.

[@JHdgsn903]

Jason Sadites I guess what I’m saying is. Maybe your live cab is the power amp in on a deluxe reverb. But your impulse for your tone is a 4x12 mesa for example. In a situation like that you might not make the same choices in the fine tweaks. The flexibility is great and that’s the point. But if you hypothetically, if you decided you didn’t like how the mastering effects sounded on the live cab anyway, you could split the signal earlier. I’m not saying your rig specifically. It’s just something worth thinking about in general.

[@JasonSadites]

Absolutely. I make it very clear that I dial things in the way that I would use them and people need to tweak for their own needs. So no real need for me to think about that, but everybody can adjust these as they see fit.