Worming Shock: When Sheep and Goats Die From Worming! Cause, Prevention, and Treatment!

[@Doggtyred]

I have to admit this is one of the best layperson-compatible explanations I've come across to date. I work with people and deal with many of the same concerns in critical care (anemia, systemic inflammation, bacteremia and sepsis, not necessarily parasite burden..) and I like the way you explain it.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you for watching our videos and thanks for taking the time to leave us a kind response. We work hard to make our topics more palatable to our viewers and sometimes we are more successful than others. 😬

[@lauraleedavid9955]

@@LinessaFarms I’m sick to my stomach over this.

[@MommaMystic99]

I wanna say thank you for this video. I sincerely wish I had found it sooner 😢 last night I gave a single dose of wormer to one of my new goats that came in sick. She died the same night, I’ve never seen an animal decline so quickly after giving medication and I sincerely thought I had done something wrong but this video make everything make sense now.

[@LinessaFarms]

Sorry to hear about this. Worms have been very bad this year and we have heard about a lot of problems.

[@simplyscraphappy1072]

Same here. We just lost our sweet pet goat. We did not see any signs of sickness, but she died within one 24 hour period.

[@tiki4677]

It nice to see how everything works. Something that you have to ask a vet to explain to you otherwise you get left in the dark. I had bought a young bottle baby buckling and he was depressed at the start. He began to get diarrhea bad and so I took him out and gave him feedthrough wormer but he wasn’t really into grain. I took him to the vet with a stool sample and she said he was very loaded with worms. She gave him sheep drench wormer and sent us home. He never got better. I called back and told them this and they just told me that I can bring him in again for another dose of wormer. Long story short, I came in his stall one morning and he was on his side seazing. I took him to the ER where a different vet looked at him and said that in young vulnerable animals, if they are loaded with worms and you worm them, what can happen is the worms die too fast for the animal to pass so the dead worms create a blockage which results in death unless I had him sent to the university and spend a few thousand on surgery that may not work.

[@LinessaFarms]

Yes. Unfortunately, a lot of vets won’t tell you all the details.

[@gallodejalisco1814]

Gracias y saludos desde México 🇲🇽

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you!

[@unofficialfuture3120]

Such great information thank you - I wish I had found your channel 1 year ago!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you for the comment. We are trying to offer something different by helping people to perform routine animal husbandry skills at home and also understand more about what is going on. It is a work in progress. We appreciate you watching our videos and for the kind words. If there is anything you need, please let us know. Tim

[@terril2643]

I wish I had too

[@HHRescues]

Best video I’ve seen, hands-down, I am so thrilled to have found you and have truly enjoyed this video. I look forward to watching your others.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you!

[@AgnesMariaL]

Very glad that this video popped up while I was browsing. I did not know this was a thing, but yeah, it makes perfect sense! Thanks 😊

[@LinessaFarms]

You are very welcome! We are glad you enjoyed this and look forward to hearing from you again in the future. 😬

[@laceyclauson]

Wow! Excellent video! Thank you! This makes so much sense!

[@sherylhartwell167]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I knew about shock and/or intestinal blockage risks after deworming chickens but I'm new to goats. Wish I had realized the same thing could happen to dogs before one of ours died after deworming.

[@LinessaFarms]

Sorry to hear this.

[@ceepark114]

I had a Doe who went downhill pretty quickly after birthing her kids and it took a while to get her weight back on and back to good health. Her coat was coarse and bristly and she kept getting thin. Thanks for an interesting and informative video.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks, Cee!

[@spoolsandbobbins]

How did you get her back to health? We’re having the same issue…

[@ceepark114]

@@spoolsandbobbins I ended up putting her in a stall by herself during feeding time and fed her high calorie feed, like calf manna etc. Also I weaned her kids as soon as was possible.

[@spoolsandbobbins]

@@ceepark114 thank you! That’s so helpful!!

[@curtwichmann1306]

That was great info and I have a better understanding of what happened to a couple of my goats thank you

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks Curt. We appreciate you watching our videos and taking the time to leave us a kind message. We are sorry to hear about your goats. It is an unfortunate part of raising sheep and goats and happens to us all. Best wishes you you and your family for this upcoming year!

[@Amysusie-q]

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation of what’s going on and how to recover!

[@LinessaFarms]

Hi, Amy! We appreciate you watching the video and for taking the time to leave us a kind message. 😬

[@deniseharris9252]

What do you give them when they go down and not getting up. Eating and drinking.

[@mumstheword8895]

Makes perfect sense. Thank you.

[@zareenshah3191]

Excellent - very informative and helpful in both the prevention and care of a sick goat due to deworming issues.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to leave a kind message. Best wishes to you and your family for the new year.

[@dunroaminfarms819]

Thank you so much for this awesome video. I appreciate it so much.

[@LinessaFarms]

You’re welcome. Thank you for watching.

[@richardstill7691]

Awesome video, helps a lot! Thank you!👍👍

[@darlenevonderlieth888]

Thank you for giving me a refresher course after 17 years I stopped using antibiotics after I worm.yes the key is to watch your animals all the time especially in this terrible summer heat we have in Florida I look at them everyday they can go down drop in 2 days if you don't watch

[@LinessaFarms]

Florida is a tough place to raise sheep and goats. The environment definitely makes it tough! We really appreciate you watching our videos and taking the time to comment. Thank you. 👍🏻

[@darlenevonderlieth888]

A feeling of hopelessness comes when the animal will not turn over it does take so long for them to bounce back with the hematobin red blood cells it hurts me to watch them pass if they don't have enough time they simply run out of time waiting stabbed me right in the heart I have 55 goats Nubians in 15 sheep the 17 years wouldn't live any other way though

[@janefromcanada6943]

You are a FANTASTIC teacher. You made a very complicated topic easy to understand with excellent diagrams. Thank you so much. Keep the videos coming :))

[@beckymcglinn4999]

Hello, I have 2 late-stage pregnant Icelandic Ewes that each weigh around 95-100 lbs, they should deliver at the end of August - they are not bagged up yet. I FAMACHA tested their eyelids today and found that one scored a 3 and one was closer to a 4, I am worried bc I've only been keeping sheep for a year and this is my first time with them expecting lambs. Last fall, they were all wormed with ivermectin injections from my vet - he showed me how to do the Sub-Q injections myself, so that was exciting! :) However, they haven't gotten worming since and have all had good energy levels, appetites, and hydration... not much out of the norm, so I was shocked to find those pale lids today. After watching this video, I'm unsure about worming them bc I don't want to shock their systems and potentially harm them or the baby. Currently, they have ample pasture, free-choice grass hay, free choice minerals, fresh water, and access to a feed/protein block (to supplement their pregnancy). Should I go ahead and worm them? As you discussed in your video, the hormonal switch around lambing time can "activate" the worms, so should I go ahead and try to get rid of them while there's still some time before their lambing? I'd like to give the copper sulfate worming method that you discuss a try, but would that have any adverse effect on the pregnancy? Is there another worming option that may be better for my situation? Also, I've heard of administering a pig iron shot at the time of worming to replenish red blood cells, what do you think of that? Would the Durvet Vitamin B Complex Oral Gel be good to give at worming time? I'd be so grateful for any time and thought you put towards addressing my situation. If you prefer that I email you about this, let me know, I totally understand. Have a good day!

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello. Because they still have some color and are otherwise doing ok, I would be inclined to tell you to worm them with a more gentle wormer such as the ivermectin you are familiar with. If they have good nutrition, this should be all that is needed. While there are a lot of folks discussing red cell or iron in conjunction with worming, recent studies show it makes no real difference to give it in conjunction with worming. I posted the research article regarding this a couple days ago on our Facebook group, Linessa Farm’s Tack Box. So…. Long answer to your question. Go ahead and worm them as directed with ivermectin. So long as they tolerate it well, I would be inclined to worm them again in 2 weeks with the ivermectin again. If you would like to try something different, you could follow the initial ivermectin with an IM shot of Dectomax at a rate of 1ml per every 110 pounds of body weight. You should avoid worming them with Valbazen or Prohibit at this point in pregnancy. Valbazen has shown propensity towards birth defects and prohibit is just too strong. Same would be the case for the copper sulfate at this time, it’s just too strong. You can work your way up to copper sulfate once the babies are born and there is less chance for stress related problems. Keep their nutrition on point and make sure they have access to lots of fresh water. Clean the pens often, especially after worming. If you need anything else, let us know.

[@beckymcglinn4999]

@@LinessaFarms Thank you sooo much for this information and your prompt response, I sincerely appreciate it! 😁💯 Your channel is so awesome btw, I just found it this evening and have been binge watching - you just have so much info to share ... needless to say, I'm subscribed!! 😁👍 Also, I had actually JUST finished one of your videos where you were discussing that the Copper Sulfate can be too strong for a high worm load or initial treatment, so I was about to update my own original comment here😆 I'm so glad your page has a Facebook group, I'll definitely be joining😁👍 Thank you for giving an alternate recommendation of the Ivermectin - will that take care of the barber pole worms too? 😶 I'm afraid they may have a decent concentration of those, as the pasture they're currently in has been on the shorter side, but I'll be rotating them to a higher pen in 2 days... the weather hasn't been a help either here - wet, humid🙄 (I'm about to get a microscope to do fecal samples myself, so I could be certain, bc my closest farm vet is 2 hours away😔). I do have the Farnam IverCare (Ivermectin 1.87%) paste for horses currently on-hand - would there be a dosage suitable for the sheep? (Recommended dose rate for a horse is 91mcg Ivermectin per lb, or 200mcg per kg body weight.) I've seen in online forums that the dose would be tripled, since they are a ruminant - so basically saying that a 100lb sheep would recieve the dose of a 300lb horse... What do you think? If possible, I'd like to give the paste a try, but I'm just not sure of the dosage for my sheep🤔💬 Also, could the worming be administered at the same time as the CDT shot, or should a few days be given in between? I am interested in giving that Dectomax a 'shot' down the road [😉😆] - I saw you discuss it's versatility/effectiveness in another video Again, thank you so much for any consideration you put towards my comment, I can't thank you enough for the help you've provided already!! 😄😁👍 Have a marvelous night or day, wherever you are!!

[@mariestevens7905]

Thanks!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you very much!

[@mmagava9616]

Thank you so much, very educative. It seems this video was meant for me. My goat kid is experiencing this aftershock and I am going to follow your advice. Wonderful.

[@LinessaFarms]

Glad we could help. Thank you.

[@corriesuz]

This helped so much! Thank you!

[@LinessaFarms]

You are very welcome!

[@jackiebraun5479]

Love your videos, thank you for sharing your knowledge. ♥️

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Jackie! Thank you for watching and for taking the time to leave us a kind message.

[@SageandStoneHomestead]

Is there research to back this up? I'm trying to determine what killed 2 of our goats directly after worming. I like the theory but wondering if there is research that's been done.

[@LinessaFarms]

www.wormx.info/wormnotenough

[@chessman483]

Fantastic information, Thanks 👌

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks, Darryl. We appreciate you taking the time to leave us a message.

[@Lee-yr4ib]

Thank you for this very valuable information

[@LinessaFarms]

You’re welcome. Thank you!

[@laszlopocsai1139]

Thanks Tim! I learn a lot again to you!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you. We appreciate your continued support. 👍🏻😬

[@Ana-rt7rd]

Hey this video is awesome! Thank you so much!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you for watching and thanks for taking the time to leave a kind message. We appreciate it. 😬

[@lauraoverholt7840]

I have an anemic sheep that I didn't treat soon enough - I'm new to sheep and I didn't recognize symptoms until she was very anemic. I did treat two weeks ago for parasites, and got a fecal done last week which confirmed that she doesn't have parasites in her system now. The vet gave antibiotic and anti-inflammatory at that time as well (temp was normal, 103, but antibiotic was just to be on the safe side). She hasn't been eating very much, though, mostly lying down or standing with her head down. She walks around and checks out the grass but she's not taking much of it into her mouth. She doesn't seem to be drinking much either. I had been giving oats once a day (less than 1/4 lb), because I know she likes them and will eat them, and I thought at least that was getting something in her belly. But are the oats too acidic? Vet's recommendation was to give nutri-drench but a) she despises it, and b) it's not doing much for her that I can tell. After watching this video (THANK YOU!) I am going to fence her off from the rest of the sheep in the pasture and give her some hay and add electrolytes to her water, as well as some molasses to try to tempt her to drink more. But I can't help worrying when I look out and see her just lying there not eating - especially with how guilty I already feel that I didn't do something for her sooner than I did. Should I just give her more time and let her rest for now? Or should I be trying to get her to eat more?

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Laura. I am sorry to hear that this happened. Getting an animal with a decreased appetite to start eating again can be challenging. I would do just about anything you can to get her to eat as much as possible. Putting her in a pen might help, as you stated. The nutridrench will help give her adequate calcium and other nutrients she needs to get up and going. I suppose I would consider injectable B vitamin every other day for a few days as well. If she continues to not want to eat, your vet might attempt an additional injection of dexamethasone to help stimulate her appetite. Best wishes to you and your ewe. We hope she starts doing better. Thank you for watching our videos and taking the time to leave us a message. We appreciate it very much.

[@lauraoverholt7840]

@@LinessaFarms Thank you for your quick response, and for your advice and good wishes! I'll do my best. The learning curve has turned out to be pretty steep with this ewe.

[@brendaAmerrick]

Excellent information!!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you! We appreciate you watching and taking the time to leave a kind comment.

[@eledhwenmare2403]

I’m treating an elderly ewe with 2 month old lambs who had a high worm load and was chased by my pup. I’m following your advice and so far so good at 1 week out.

[@LinessaFarms]

That’s great. Thanks for taking the time to leave us some feedback and please keep us posted on your progress. Best of luck to you. 😬

[@geralddunn2654]

OUTSTANDING information, new to all of this with sheep but this was the information I needed to understand what is going on. how do you know what wormer to use without going to and vet and the cost of that? i know some people do the sample and look for the worms themselves but i am not that person. is there one that is an super wormer over others that i should have on hand all the time? what vitimites should I have? i would have giver the wrong hay. more information in one segment than any other that i have seen. again OUTSTANDING JOB!!!!!!

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Gerald. Thanks for the question. Generally all clear wormers will work for most worms EXCEPT tape worms. Clear wormers look clear and are usually in the ivermectin “family”. White wormers like safeguard and valbazen will treat tape worms as well. Most producers will rotate usage of wormers between ivermectin, cydectin, and valbazen. I personally would advise the copper sulfate wormer we show how to make in our video series and valbazen once you get established. Dectomax is an injectable wormer we feel is superior to most wormers on the market. You can purchase it online without a prescription. www.premier1supplies.com/p/dectomax-injectable

[@blacksmithtv5069]

This was so informative and helpful, thank you sir.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you for taking the time to leave us a kind remark. We hope you find other helpful videos on our channel! Thanks again! 😬

[@navarrohillsranch]

Really informative video. Thank you!

[@LinessaFarms]

You’re very welcome.

[@sugarbirdtinyfarm9001]

Hi Tim! Thank you for actual helpful information, and sharing your knowledge. What is your experience with diatomaceous earth? We adopted two orphan lambs and started adding small amounts to their food and within a few days we were seeing worms in their droppings. But we are very interested to try the copper sulphate method on our goats. Thanks again for the valuable knowledge!

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello! We have a video coming out on this soon. It has its benefits and drawbacks. In regard to internal parasite worming, it is unfortunatley not very effective. It does work good for external parasites such as fleas, lice, and keds. We will have more information out to you soon.

[@kellywilson6244]

I think this video is awesome and I'm really glad I saw it cuz I just had a goat that had a lot of worms and I'm going to go double-check her and see how she's doing today I do not have iron but I do have B12 and I and I have tylon 50 is this a good antibotic for this or do I Need a different kind.

[@kt3300]

Another very informative video..learning a lot here ! Happy Independence Day !

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks, KT!

[@Johndoe-rc6vg]

Thank you Sir for sharing such valuable info!

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to leave us a message!

[@weawaitabbawithajoyousheart]

Thank you very educational! How about bottle jaw ? How to treat on sheep .

[@cabranoia]

A few years ago I treated several yearling does for worms who weren't anemic but were having diarrhea issues, the next morning I found one unable to stand and pale white almost clear under the eye lids. She didn't make it.

[@LinessaFarms]

We are so very sorry to hear this. Thank you very much for sharing this experience with us and our viewers. We still get push-back from people who say this doesn’t happen. You are a prime example that worming an animal with a heavy parasite load (despite anemia) can cause fatal problems. Having people like you take the time to leave a message and sharing your experience is very helpful and we appreciate it. Best wishes to you and your family.

[@wolaplus]

Tim can you do a video on initial valuation when buying goats for new producers

[@LinessaFarms]

Sure. Sounds good.

[@darlenevonderlieth888]

And if you wait too long before to 8 weeks is just not going to come for them in time they won't make it they can't build the red blood cells back unless they have a transfusion thank you for sharing this bless you and your herd in these terrible times to come

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Darlene! Thank you very much for watching our channel and for taking the time to leave us a message. You bring up a couple great points and I think we agree on one most important point: taking the time to pay attention to what is going on and acting appropriately. As you know, there is no “wait and see” with these animals. It’s been nice to see a new person commenting and viewing our videos. We look forward to hearing from you more in the future. 👍🏻

[@spoolsandbobbins]

We’re in this process now. How often should you administer vit b and iron? Worm load is high. Great video Tim!!

[@LinessaFarms]

You can give vitamin B every day to every other day (I think every 48 hours is a good starting off point). Iron would be more like every 5-7 days.

[@spoolsandbobbins]

@@LinessaFarms you are a God-send! Thanks… AGAIN Tim!!

[@susanherder8946]

Thank you so very much, I'm so grateful. I have had sheep for 45 years, but I'm ashamed to say, I'm still very ignorant. I only have my old books to refer to, and I don't seem to find answers to my questions in them. I'm going to keep watching your videos, but I have one pressing question. I want to feed my sheep organic feed. They have enough pasture in my field, and I used to feed them grain, mostly oats, but now I am feeding them organic alfalfa pellets and lespedeza, and pasture grass, of course. Is that OK? They had more worms this year than ever before, and I think it was because we've had a lot of rain. Your video helped so much. Thank you so much!

[@LinessaFarms]

Hi Susan! Thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to send us a kind message. I don’t see anything wrong with what you are doing. We have elected to use copper sulfate worming to avoid chemical wormers as much as possible. Unfortunately, we have not had good, consistent, reliable results from using lespedeza. There is some evidence that shows perhaps only certain parts of the plant are effective and possibly only in very high dosages. If I am able to find the article, I will gladly post it for you. Our own trials with it proved to be extremely unfruitful and we basically had one of the highest worm loads we have ever seen. We learn new things all the time. I started paying attention to what was going on with the sheep about 30 years ago as a teenager and I learn something new every day. The internet has really connected us all to some good information from places overseas where sheep and goats are taken far more seriously. This has helped a whole lot. I think you will really like the results you see by offering free choice baking soda to your flock, especially with the alfalfa pellets as they can be a little hot for the rumen. They will eat the baking soda as needed and will not overdo it so don’t worry. It will help a lot with rumen health and also things like hoof health. Plus, it’s right up your alley as it is organic. We offer a wide range of free choice minerals and we also have an organic alfalfa pellet called “Hay Buddy” we sell as well. We are in the process of coming out with “Hay Buddy Plus” for our customers who don’t feed grain. This will be a fortified version of an alfalfa pellet with vitamins and nutrients tailored towards sheep and goats. Keep us posted on your progress and again, thank you for taking the time to leave us a kind word.

[@susanherder8946]

@@LinessaFarms Thank you so, so much! I will do the free choice baking soda. And the opportunity to ask more questions is such a blessing to me. There are not sheep people around here anymore, so I don't have anyone to ask questions of except my sheerer, who is wonderful, but only uses smart phones, which I can't use, and doesn't look at emails. I really will try not to pester you, but I do have other questions. I will watch your videos again in case they answer my questions. They really are well done. Thank you!

[@ingelab6037]

Thank you for making this fantastic video! My goats (with babies) have the worm and look thin!! I am waiting for copper sulphate to come. The vet. has prescribed Ivomec. I can not immediately change pasture. Is it the best to give Ivomec now and then again after 2-3 weeks just before the new pasture is ready? I will give copper as soon as it arrives and I give B12 and nettles as supplement.

[@LinessaFarms]

Yes. Worm now.

[@ingelab6037]

@@LinessaFarms I wormed yesterday and make a little temporary pasture, until the real pasture is ready. First they are 2 days inside. Is it good to give copper now or better to wait?

[@SihleTDlamini]

Am learning a lot here and this is factual

[@redemptionfitnesscentre]

Thanks for this very valuable information

[@LinessaFarms]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching our videos and supporting our channel.

[@austengray8226]

Hey there! Love all your information I've tried looking for a book of yours but don't see one. If you happen to ever write one I'd buy one.

[@LinessaFarms]

We don’t have a book but we do post a lot of good additional content on our Facebook group, Linessa Farm’s Tack Box. If you aren’t a member, check it out.

[@colvardy8691]

Were tests done to see if the percentage should be higher for goats, i always heard goats should have more?

[@LinessaFarms]

Certain medications/wormers do have higher dosages advised for goats. Goats and sheep metabolize drugs differently, and their sensitivity to certain medications can vary. Additionally, goats tend to eliminate drugs from their systems more rapidly than sheep. These factors contribute to the need for higher doses of oral wormers in goats compared to sheep.

[@qualityassurance9523]

great class but what antibiotic do you give when you give wormer and what kind or brand of iron do you use thanks again

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello and thanks for watching our videos and for the question. Iron dextran is the way you will want to go and is available at most farm stores over the counter at an inexpensive price. I have included a link below but you should be able to find it anywhere. www.jefferspet.com/products/ferrodex-iron-inj-100mg-100cc?sku=A2F1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll2kGh59Yi3NYColjE78OiSq9oBMJBR2Sh2Rm1hFJXJkg2z6pwMCVBRoCpHIQAvD_BwE Antibiotics are another story and this depends a lot on how much money you have laying around and your access to prescription medications. If you can get anything you want, a combined injection of Draxxin and Nuflor will kill almost anything and will cover you for short and long acting medications. The Draxxin would be given once at a rate of 1ml per 100lbs and the Nuflor would be given 6ml EOD for a total of 2 injections. Currently I believe Draxxin will run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 a bottle. 😬 So, let’s be realistic… a good broad spectrum antibiotic treatment can be completed using LA200 or it’s generic counterpart which are inexpensive and available OTC in most farm stores. This can be given at a rate of 5ml EOD x 2. We generally give all our antibiotics subq unless otherwise warranted. Hope this helps!

[@sandracurrie5904]

Another great video! What are your thoughts on using Red Cell after deworming? I've seen it recommended on several goat sites.

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello Sandra. I think red cell is a great additive at an affordable price. It has lots of iron and other vitamins and nutrients which help develop red blood cells and protect the nervous system. A little goes a long way so always be sure to dose appropriately. It can (will) be toxic to sheep so make sure to avoid feeding your sheep with it when you decide to get some. 😬

[@dianelillibridge4092]

I lost an old goat with a high worm load after worming him. I wish that I would have seen this video. It really makes sense why he didn't recover. I checked online vet supply and my local feed store's website for the injectible Vitamin B (B12 injectable) and Iron (Iron dextran injectable) which are both easy to buy. I was wondering if giving the Goat & Sheep Nutritional Drench would be helpful? The label for it is Calcium, Selenium, and Vitamins A, D, and E. Probably not a bad thing to give, but it wouldn't address the internal blood loss issue.

[@LinessaFarms]

It seems keeping them hydrated is probably the most important part after a bad worming response. Many people will add some molasses to their water to encourage drinking. Vitamin B is another good injection to consider. Recovery takes time as the body has to naturally replenish the blood loss. In people we would just give a blood transfusion and we just can’t do that realistically with sheep and goats. I suppose the “best” option is prevention and just doing your best to keep them reasonably free of worms so they don’t have such a profound response to worming. It’s a tough situation for anyone to deal with, experienced or not. They make electrolyte packages which are good. Check out a product called bluelite for goats.

[@emmanuelspromisefarm6118]

Excellent video, great explanations.

[@LinessaFarms]

Thank you, Sharon!

[@lizpurvis2386]

Very good info

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to leave us a nice message of support, Liz. We hope you have a great Christmas.

[@lotus....]

So I have heard not to feed alot of grain during this time..so also alfalfa pellets would have a low ph? so what do you feed? Only plain grass hay? Wouldnt they need more protein? Also, I have seen people saying that 50/50 acv/water soln at 20 cc/day will help with anemia (acv is supposed to help iron absorption). However acv has low ph too. Im confused and Ive been having problems w wirms & anemia in our goats this summer in FL.

[@LinessaFarms]

You have “heard” a lot of things and likely some of these people are just repeating what they have heard and don’t understand it. This is basic “blind advise” and happens all the time. Any vinegar is going to aid in absorption of iron from the foods eaten. It is not a magic solution and is only going to help support a diet high in iron. The issue that needs to be addressed is WHY is the animal anemic. It’s important not to get so focused on the solution that you ignore the problem. Feeding grain is a wonderful way to add nutrition and energy to a sick animal’s diet. Straight alfalfa or clover will decrease pH because they are acidic. Feeding a mix of grass and legumes is just fine and frankly, the best hay for ruminants. It’s probably time for you to take a deep breath and hit the reset button. If you’re having problems with anemia, get your animals on a good worming program and a simple diet of water, mixed hay, and the vitamins/nutrients they need. This can be accomplished through a good free choice mineral or fortified grain product. If you haven’t watched our video on worming check it out by searching for “linessa farms trifecta method”.

[@lotus....]

@@LinessaFarms Hi thanks for your speedy reply! I didnt have problems with our worming using Ivermectin & Safeguard till this summer..plus we are now at a new farm and it started raining everyday with very high temps & humidity. I am sure this is barberpole issues and when I wormed again I got worse anemia issues, just as you described and I do believe after watching your video.. an issue with shock on a few goats. FL is challenging in the summer but this yr is insane. It has been hard on the goat kids and yearlings. I'm about at my wits end right now lol. So have been researching and that has led me to your video. I am thinking of adding some cattle to help with rotational grazing.

[@asimplelifeinthephilippine1465]

How often do you recommend worming when you have 150 to 200 goats and sheep. Hard to check individually.

[@LinessaFarms]

Ha. We understand. This can be difficult. On one hand, worming everyone can be expensive and lead to resistance. When it comes to large numbers you almost have to get a sorting system in place. In the past we have tagged with different colors and will sort and treat in groups. Without a sorting system you’re basically out of luck. I don’t have any good advice for trying to catch and handle those kinds of numbers.

[@gcrranch439]

I had a buck who had a high worm load . I had just dewormed him a month prior and he just got worse . Had to wait for vet to get him in . Had to syringe fluids , he lost weight . Had given antibiotics all vitamins . The vet did all this , gave him an IV and more treatments even a blood transfusion he took well then he died within 24 hrs . It was so frustrating . All other goats are fine . Was just him .

[@LinessaFarms]

Ugh. I am very sorry to hear this. We have a friend in Michigan who just recently has been going through a similar experience. It seems like no matter what she does, there is one animal that seems to have no resistance what so ever to worms and continues to get worse and worse. This is a difficult situation and as of this date I don’t even have a reasonable explanation as to why this occurs. It seems to defy logic as to how fast some of these animals develop a worm load. I don’t think you did anything wrong in this case, I think you were just doing your best with the hand you were dealt. We greatly appreciate you taking the time to share this story with us. As unfortunate as it is, it is important for others to hear. Best wishes to you and your family this holiday season.

[@bigedpha]

Good afternoon I’m trying to utilize your videos to teach me how to better care for my Goats. So I can teach some 4-H children. What videos of yours do you recommend and in what order should I watch (Study)

[@LinessaFarms]

This is a tough question. I suppose it would depend on what you are trying to teach them. Some of our “top ten” or “top 5” videos cover more broad topics and then we have the more specific videos. I would start with the more general topics and then work your way down. Obviously if you are having a real world problem, I would try to incorporate what’s happening there and what we are talking about in the video. I usually try to teach our kids as situations present themselves.

[@bigedpha]

@@LinessaFarms Thanks

[@Beverlyshillbillyhomestead]

Very informative! I had noticed one of my goats passing clumps of manure instead of pellets. I did some research and found that it could have been a parasite. After giving her ivermectin her movements have returned to pellets. I’m just curious if you have knowledge/experiences about that and if you mind sharing any info. I just thought it was very strange and couldn’t find much info about it. Thx

[@LinessaFarms]

Hi Bev, sometimes the clumpy poop is from the level of hydration of the animal. It can be due to a worm load but it could also just be due to high protein feed or a lack of complete water absorption in the large intestine.

[@Beverlyshillbillyhomestead]

Thank you.

[@bjmanimalsbreedingfarm4489]

Brother u have saved my farm this is exactly what I have been going cn it also lead to miscarriage because the vet told me the animals are dehydrated with out such agd Explanation like yours am sorry to call u this but your the messiah of goats in the world on pH which feeds cn I give to them I have chloris gayana hay fresh chloris gayana alfalfa and maize silage how cn I balance the diet please advise thx so much

[@LinessaFarms]

The chloris gayana hay just depends on the time it was cut. You should be able to get by with 1-2 kg of silage and 1/2 to 1 kg hay per animal per day if you are using the alfalfa hay. 👍🏻

[@bjmanimalsbreedingfarm4489]

@@LinessaFarms thx so much bro

[@mickeysummers238]

Does it have to be injexted iron and vit b . Or is drench ok

[@LinessaFarms]

Injectable is always better. Absorption is not comparable between the 2 methods. For general maintenance, oral drench is “ok” but for a sick animal, do your best to provide injectable. Hope this helps!

[@marylegreid8844]

Can I harvest a sheep and eat the meat if it is going down hill with worms?

[@LinessaFarms]

You would need to verify that it has worms and not some other type of degenerative disease process. If it is worms, you should be ok.

[@waylinnthompson5975]

Can u give anti-inflammatory meds and antibiotics at the same time? Wat is a goats normal temperature?

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Waylinn! Thanks for watching our video. Yes, you can most definitely give anti inflammatory meds and antibiotics at the same time. Normal sheep and goat body temp will range between 101-104 F. Goats tend to run a little hotter and sheep a little cooler but that’s a good window to aim for.

[@kabutey8132]

At what age can u start deworming ur lambs

[@LinessaFarms]

We normally do an initial worming at 6 weeks/weaning. You can go as early as 2 weeks for high risk animals but would advise against it unless needed.

[@oleole6105]

Hello thank you for your video. Question the Vitamin B and Zinc do I purchase them or I have to buy a feed that already have those ingredients ? Also the inflammation would be where in the body because mine has belly inflammation and inflammation under mouth which is not getting better after treatment of Safeguard.

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Ole! Thanks for watching the videos. We would advise vitamin B complex and iron both be injected per the manufacturer directions. www.amazon.com/Durvet-Maxi-B-1000-100mL/dp/B003C9LKA0/ref=pd_aw_fbt_img_1/135-0284397-4763578?pd_rd_w=a7irm&pf_rd_p=f8d0bc61-829d-4d6f-b209-aa4a95865ce2&pf_rd_r=6GFZNG3CVPN38NWZX2RA&pd_rd_r=23fde772-4621-4094-9c45-c45503bb7a4d&pd_rd_wg=P2YjE&pd_rd_i=B003C9LKA0&psc=1 www.amazon.com/Durvet-01-DME1030-Injection-Milliliter/dp/B000HHM6BC/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=injectable+iron&qid=1625495468&sr=8-3

[@LinessaFarms]

The under jaw swelling is often referred to as bottle jaw and is a symptom of a heavy worm load. This is something we need to make a video about soon…. It’s not anything an anti inflammatory medication would help. Once wormed properly, it should subside on its own.

[@oleole6105]

@@LinessaFarms thank you I am happy to find your channel. I just purchased several goats for the first time and I am experiencing these symptoms. Also, we are located in Florida the humidity isn't helping. Thank you!!

[@BuiltBetterHomes]

What prophylactic antibiotic would you recommend, and would it only be for those with a dangerous FAMACHA or any worming at all?

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello and thanks for watching our videos. Most sheep and goats will respond well to worming with no issues. If you’re worming a very pale or white eyelid sheep or goat, you’re going to want to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If I were to worm a sheep or goat that was white or already had bottle jaw, I would go ahead and treat with 2ml dexamethasone, IM every 24 hours for a total of 2 injections. I would also treat the animal with Nuflor at a rate of 6ml per 100 lbs, subq, every other day, for a total of 2 injections. Nuflor requires a prescription and if unavailable, use LA200 (or generic) at a rate of 5ml per 100lbs, subq, every other day, for a total of 2 injections. I’m not a vet so make sure you consult with one if you have any problems or questions. 👍🏻

[@BuiltBetterHomes]

@@LinessaFarms thanks so much!

[@jaredwarren2321]

Your information is great and very helpful. I just had one question that wasnt talked about if anyone knows. What do you do for a sheep that was wormed at night and by the next morning wont eat anything than continues to not eat. Does the vitamin b help

[@LinessaFarms]

Sometimes they will go off feed because they don’t feel well. You can attempt to add some molasses to their water. You can also attempt a vitamin b injection or dexamethasone injection to increase appetite (talk to your vet). As long as you keep them hydrated, the appetite should return. Great question!

[@jaredwarren2321]

@@LinessaFarms thank you for answering.

[@joywick9981]

2024 and you can't get antibiotics for your farm animals anymore, unless you go through a vet. 40+ vets near me and none of them deal with goats. Is Canada an option?

[@waylinnthompson5975]

How much vitamin B do u give and how often?

[@LinessaFarms]

If needed, you can give up to 5ml subcutaneous every day until they are improving. Any excess vitamin will be cleared through their urine.

[@lucyannababycats]

Should you deworm sheep or goat when pregnant

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello and thanks for watching our videos. Tough question. You shouldn’t be afraid to worm if you need to. Letting a “slight” worm load go can and usually will lead to bigger problems down the road. Plus a sheep or goat with a moderate worm load will respond a lot better to worming than a sheep or goat with a heavy worm load. If your animals are not already on copper sulfate worming, you should worm your sheep or goats with a more gentle chemical wormer like ivermectin first and see how they tolerate it. Valbazen should always be avoided in pregnant sheep and goats as it has been shown to cause birth defects. Long story short, worm if you need to. If you don’t need to, wait until after the babies are born. This is our opinion. Some folks like to worm just prior to birth to keep moms from passing worms along to their babies. Either way, it is generally considered safe.

[@bryanjohnson8162]

Yes keeping attention to your animals is great but what happens when you buy an animal that's already overloaded or go to an auction and get an animal obviously I need help with those so it's not just so straightforward is keeping an eye on your animals people get new ones all the time

[@waylinnthompson5975]

Very very good video. Just not sure we have Dexamethasone in Canada. But definitely gave me couple items to have on hand. Great video Wat form of iron do u give them? Orally?

[@LinessaFarms]

Hello, Waylinn. We normally use injectable iron dextran at a rate of 2ml, intramuscular once every week for 3 weeks. Talk to your local vet about the dexamethasone. It is a common med and they will have it. 👍🏻

[@waylinnthompson5975]

Isn’t there something a person should be able to spray on the ground, that will kill these parasites so they don’t reinvest the animals?

[@LinessaFarms]

Unfortunately, not really. The life cycle of the parasites is difficult to break. There are some pesticides that can be sprayed on fields that are basically sub-par against parasites and also kill beneficial insects such as honey bees. The best way to eliminate parasites is through rotational grazing and targeted treatment. Long story short, it’s an issue that is difficult to deal with.

[@debbiegish3021]

Do you see any value in worming an anemic animal with half the wormer dose twice?

[@LinessaFarms]

No, ma’am. Medications have an effective window that really needs to be hit in order to function properly. All medications have what is called the “therapeutic window”. This window has the effective dose at the bottom and the lethal dose at the top. All medications have a different window with considered dangerous medications having a small therapeutic window. It is believed that under dosing wormer is one of the main reasons why we have such bad resistance issues. A dose not high enough to kill, will allow some worms to potentially develop resistance. The good news is, most wormers such as ivermectin for example have a very large therapeutic window. That is to say, dose would generally have to be given WAY over the recommended dose to cause a health concern. With wormers, we would always tell you to err on the side of caution and actually round up a dose, not down. Hopefully this helps. Thank you for the question and good luck to you.

[@debbiegish3021]

Thank you very much. It’s nice to put another’s suggestion to rest.

[@darlenevonderlieth888]

Usually the ones I loose are 8 + 10 to 12-year-olds

[@LinessaFarms]

Thanks for commenting. It seems the older they get the less they are able to “bounce back” when they get a parasite load.

[@dori1oakes]

Famacha is not accurate when done in the shade.

[@LinessaFarms]

I suppose that would depend on your eyesight.

[@lifesaver5192]

Do you know Mod plus?

[@LinessaFarms]

I do not.

[@lauraleedavid9955]

LA 200?

[@LinessaFarms]

LA200 is a broad-spectrum antibiotic, which is tetracycline.

[@lauraleedavid9955]

@@LinessaFarms lost one baby doe to this shock. Both of my babies were absolutely WHITE in the eyelid. I wish I saw this video first. I would have given a few days of vitamin B and nutradrench and fluids SQ if I couldn’t drench enough water. Then deworm and hit with a round of la200 and probiotic. Shoulda coulda woulda…. Hindsight is 20:20. My baby buck also got treated. I have been giving him molasses with salt and water with moringa leaf powder and nutradrench and vitamin B in a syringe to get iron and nutrients into him. He’s getting pink back in his eyelid. He’s doing so much better. I make a little drink of molasses salt baking soda and water to help rehydrate my goats. I love your videos for everything related to the care of these precious ruminants.

[@lauraleedavid9955]

@@LinessaFarms thank you for these insightful and intelligent videos to help newbies like me to be smarter in dealing with my ruminant babies.