Two Oh-So-Happy Destinies Forced Upon Daughters in Edo Japan

[@Linfamy]

Which road would you take? Or you could stay where you are and take this road: www.patreon.com/Linfamy

[@mrgold5261]

Both suck BUTTTT I would rather become a house wife than a pleasure house slut

[@mariaavalon3730]

Courtesan for me I would rather be a sexy lady wearing pretty clothes, getting paid to do the wild thing! Plus I don't like kids! LOL!

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

Nun. Definitely nun. I'm asexual, faking being religious is easier than faking enjoying sex.

[@storsolo]

what is the name of the manga shown in the video?

[@Lady_Chalk]

Courtesan. I would be a terrible mother. 😥

[@seileen1234]

"Pushing out bebes like a 3D printer of meat..." You are a poet

[@Nesterou]

PEZ dispenser is also nice 👌🏻😂

[@MxrmGxrl4]

It went by so quick that I couldn’t process straight away 😭. This guy needs his own comedy sketch on tv 🤣

[@decoraqueena6413]

So basically being an edo woman meant you either got syphilis from your husband or syphilis from a stranger. Lovely...

[@Amphitera]

was the same for european women, and almost everywhere else.

[@goldcoinz420]

The illusion of free choice

[@nicolasreinaldet732]

I mean It realy depends on the theory but Siphilis either didnt exist, was not diagnosticated yet or existed only in the new world at that time. So not siphilis but something else maybe.

[@isobelduncan]

Regarding their sexuality (as Linfamy mentions) yes, but he *does also* mention that it although it was difficult and not considered "proper" for women to work outside of the home, it wasn't impossible. They could work as domestic servants, nannies, waitresses or even a teacher. Some even worked alongside their husbands to help the family business. Sakamoto Ryoma's wife, Narasaki Ryo, even owned a ryokan (inn). Some could also choose to serve as miko (Shinto shrine maidens or priestesses) or Buddhist nuns. Heck, some could even be samurai or ninjas, like Tomoe Gozen. Their education was pretty decent as well - in fact a lot of fathers even paid for their daughters to receive extra education. Visitors from Europe were actually quite stunned at how widespread literacy was in the country, even in the countryside. Sure, women might not have had it as good as we do nowadays, but at the same time it wasn't the absolute worst.

[@isobelduncan]

@@Amphitera Mm... not really. Sure it wasn't as easy as it is now, but at the same time it wasn't the absolute worst. They could still work outside of the home, but it wasn't considered proper, and it was difficult, especially if they didn't have the money and support. Linfamy does mention this as well.

[@als3022]

To be fair in Japan at that time a wife had one other escape. Grow old enough to have a daughter in law for her son and then make HER life a living hell. You eventually became the mother in law if you survived and then it was fun time.

[@bigfootpart4therevengeancing]

"Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge." Unfortunately, Gauguin was right about many people.

[@Evil_Beauty]

I know I would. Why let others have fun, and the life of their dreams while you were deprived of yours? It would be an absolute eyesore to see others have a happy life, while all you got was sh*t your entire life. If I can't have my happy life, then no one should.

[@bigfootpart4therevengeancing]

@@Evil_Beauty And that's another reason why the world is miserable: everybody is getting their revenge against the wrong people.

[@Evil_Beauty]

@@bigfootpart4therevengeancing This is karmic debt. Nothing has EVER been fair in life. There are eople who were born with a blessed life since the start, while others couldn't even have something as simple as the most basic of basic sh*t to SURVIVE. Others are victims of tragedies that they did not deserve, while others are living the good life, carefree and completely oblivious towards other people's struggles while they are being glorified and loved by all those that are TOTALLY undeserving of such affections. And there are those who had everything come easy gor them, while others have to work their butts off just to get by. Who in their right mind wouldn't feel deep-seated resentment, and spitefulness for not only being wronged, but having to look at the cringe face of those optimistic pieces of sh*ts being coddled with nothing but blessed fortune? It makes me disgustingly sick and nauseating to see those kinds of people. And you wonder why the current state of the world is the way it is, if anything it only highlights the kind of ignorance I have previously mentioned about people not having a clue as to what goes on in the world. Because people like YOU only see what's in front of you. But that's why necessary evils are fair game. And I'm glad it exist to balance out this rotten universe.

[@mightymeatymech]

​@@Evil_Beauty interesting. I definitely feel jealous of people with 'better' lives than mine, but my first gut instinct is always "good for you". There are two kinds of people in this world. The ones who say, "I went through it, so you have to, too" and the ones who say, "I won't let anyone go through that on my watch". I hope you're never in a position to enact that revenge on anyone, not even the people who earned your anger. It won't help anything.

[@tandysaysyoucandoanything6758]

I’m learning Japanese and there are a few Japanese children’s songs that talk about sisters and nannies leaving to get married at 15. I bet life was very hard for girls back then 😭

[@rebecamendez5456]

Sadly A LOT of young girls still marry or are forced to marry young in a lot of countries.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

​@clotshot9459America

[@SlapstickGenius23]

@clotshot9459 I think any African country on the Sahel is likely filled with blatant corruption.

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

​@@kittykittybangbang9367true actually but xenophobic or racist people usually don't want to hear that. Also that usually it's a marriage between a young girl and an older guy because of course we don't want to talk about men being creeps either.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@DieAlteistwiederda so are you gonna source any claims or can non white countries do no wrong?

[@m.i7211]

Other people: “Lay your hands off her or I’ll kill you!!” Japanese: “Lay your hands off her or I’ll kill myself and come back to haunt you!!”

[@MarkIsTiredAlways]

I mean people actually believed in ghosts so that would be an actual threat

[@m.i7211]

@@MarkIsTiredAlways Yeah both threats are equally frightening but I found it a bit funny that the Japanese manage to get themselves killed in the process.

[@Initiallyleo]

I honestly thought the plot twist was that he’d move on to someone else while she suffered for their relationship, so it’s at least nice to know he didn’t see her as just a service provider. I feel like he could’ve just cut her down from the tree instead of threatening a double ghost situation, though…

[@THECHEESELORD69]

“NUH UH! I’ll kill my self after you haunt me and haunt you back!”

[@totallynotafanficreader7850]

As a woman, I am SO lucky to be living in the modern day (with the caveat that where I live respects women's rights, plenty of countries are still sexist as fuck). I don't care if you made me the richest lady in edo, or the victorian era, or whatever, nothing beats modern luxuries and human rights.

[@CharmedWitch4]

Same

[@fixsationon7244]

​@clotshot9459depends on the time period.

[@dirindindin1]

all your rights are rights that have been taken away from other people (privileges over others and the ability to be above others) you are a loser who is not able to compete in a fair fight where everyone has equal opportunities because you need more rights than others. you are a sexist who has been given the right to your sexism. funny fact. women did not feel disadvantaged either a hundred or a thousand years ago, they suffered on an equal basis with men

[@purple66666]

​@clotshot9459bruh no one said anything to discredit men's strugle but I would rather die in a war than not even be considered human by today's standard

[@toothless3835]

@clotshot9459 Ah, yes. Men had the duty to not die. It's a struggle alright. They could vote and had rights, but they had to make sure they didn't die.

[@AGS363]

Why not both? It was not unheard that husbands used their wives as a second income by ordering them to work as a part-time w-ore!

[@Linfamy]

Yep true, that also happened

[@mattcgw]

​@@Linfamy that would be an insane circular ecomany. Husband's spending the wife's earnings as a prostitute on other husband's wife's that were prostitutes as well. Visa versa ad add Infinium in a circle.

[@PsiJuicu]

Damn women rights at its best

[@artvulture456]

@ibisarenotbinchickens9846 what do you think the prostitutes were?

[@Candyy248]

I thought of that too, but I thought maybe most husband felt jealous or something? 🤷

[@BathersonMote]

Babies: The 401K of ancient Japan, and pretty much every other country. You put your money into both when you're young, wait for them to mature, then use them for a comfortable retirement.

[@Lady_Chalk]

Oh my god I just lost my shit 🤣

[@phastinemoon]

Difference is that 401k don’t wreck you physically, or grow up into being jerks, and you can have a 401k and cats and be way happier.

[@annabellthedoll9953]

401K?

[@Gildedmuse]

​@@annabellthedoll9953 Retirement fund

[@BathersonMote]

@@phastinemoon That is true. On the other hand, you can't sell your 401K to a brothel if it annoys you.

[@Lili-cc7pz]

From this video, it almost seems like the choice is to be either the property of your husband (suppress emotions, obedient maid and baby breeder) or the property of your boss (not allowed to fall in love, terrible working conditions, but no need to submit to men). Either way you have no freedom. I don't know which is worse

[@Lanval_de_Lai]

I think the way it's just being lucky with your husband. At least that was the way when we had a dictatorship in my country that imposed similar values. That or being clever and/or very bossy. I talk based in my experience seeing grandpas XD

[@bgos4727]

@@Lanval_de_Lai or poisoning him slowly and taking his money. Easier than being miserable all my life

[@yesthatmousyiris4887]

@@Lanval_de_Lai Agree if the husband is a decent man and husband (And good in laws) the wife route in edo japan would've been ok.

[@ironcauldrontarot]

Their "job" was literally to submit to men.

[@goodmorning2386]

Fuck ikr? Like idk what I’d choose, both seem awful

[@Sienisota]

I'm so glad I was born itno culture and time where my genitalia doesn't determine my whole life. And where I don't have to serve and see myself as less than other half of humanity. The past was the worst.

[@dannylo5875]

You are made or born in a place where we have great civil rights. Others were not.

[@Evil_Beauty]

So white privilege does exist. 🤪 But I can't say the present is any better. We still have the same o'l problems of the past, only difference is the attitude in how it is approached nowadays. Like, there are STILL asian families who abide by these silly outdated traditions of them being the deciding factor as to what path their child should take, or whom their child should marry because asian parents knows better for their child oh so well. 🤭

[@marvelloustraveller3559]

And what we achieved by coming out of that era ? Japan's birth rates have fallen drastically and Koreans might get extinct in 50-100 years . Giving womens freedom is like signing death contract for civilization.

[@luna-mt7sf]

Sadly some women in the world are still suffering until now , we're sure very lucky , until u hear about women in Afghanistan, she's forbidden from education yet she's not allowed to go to a male doctor , make it make sense

[@Devilcakes]

I mean... we're still a fair way into still of that prudish, strict time. But it is greatly changed by now.

[@KHTimeProtecter]

Props to Yonosuke for standing up for his girl. I hope he freed and married her.

[@gamergirl209]

I know it's not the same, but we had to read a book in high school about a Chinese man that just left me pissed off. His whole thing was that he farmed and couldn't afford a pretty wife. Until he managed to make enough money to become important in the village. So even though he had a son or two from his wife whom he hated, he went to brothels and eventually brought home a second wife. Who gave him a daughter. Which he didn't call daughter, but only referred to as slave. It was the one book that I refused to read the whole book. As an avid reader, I read the condensed version because it made me so angry

[@AzuraTarot]

sounds like the story of Wanglong and his family by Pearl S. Buck. She was the daughter of european missionaries and wrote many books about life in China.

[@joltjolt5060]

The good earth?

[@Moonsapphire419]

Drop the title

[@officialgremlin]

me: medieval life seems so peaceful, back when everything was simple and happy also me: please ensure that i never end up in the past, ever edit: MOM IM FAMOUS

[@killianmotto2684]

But Edo period isn't medieval?

[@officialgremlin]

@@killianmotto2684 *historical

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

happy? what gave you THAT idea? fuck medieval times. nabataean petra seems nice though.

[@Candyy248]

Happy? Simple? Ahmmm peaceful?? I think we have different concept of these 3 words v:

[@Pollicina_db]

Alrighty when it comes to Europe throughout its medieval history we had: bubonic plague, inquisition, witch-hunt, 30 and 100 year wars, feudalism, vikings stealing and killing, ottoman empire attacking europe, templars destroying jerusalem etc. bare in mind that it last for roughly 1000 years, a lot of good things happend, but also many bad and bloody things.

[@zainmudassir2964]

Honestly if i had a daughter I would encourage her to pursue what she likes. It seems they genuinely saw their own child not as a person but a possession to eventually give away

[@jewel65]

Some parents want their children to be taken care of, have a settled life.

[@HavianEla]

While I agree, this is thinking of our time. Obviously, the thinking of people in medieval Japan is going to be, well, *medieval*. Sure, there may have been a few odd families that think the way we do, but that wasn’t the standard thought process, the norm, back then. Again, I’m not disagreeing with you! Just think we have to acknowledge the historical perspective.

[@miscalotastuff733]

Women were property period. Amongst abrahamic religions this view still exists. They arent viewed as humans but as something usefull. Women were and are viewed as women by thier use not thier gender. If you arent usefull or lose certain parts your identity as female disappears.

[@stuffynosepatrol]

@@jewel65 raise your kids right and you can have them be taken care of while also letting them choose what they want in life.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@stuffynosepatrol I doubt they were much option for girls.

[@rockinrootbeer1795]

As amazing as these videos are, I also feel drained after watching them, because I would've most likely had to live one of these lifestyles if I were born in that time period and place. It's really depressing thinking about how it's all up to chance and what equipment you were born with between the legs that determines how others treat you. Sure, there's still all sorts of issues today for all kinds of people, but I'm thankful that my worth isn't _completely_ tied to my physical attributes. It also helps that I have a few important people who support my decision to express myself how I want to be, even if a lot of other people don’t quite understand it. Thanks for taking the time to make this high quality and informative video! Edit: grammar fixes

[@Evil_Beauty]

I don't feel drained after watching this at all. If anything, I feel more informed, and enlightened at the fact at pathetically simple-minded life were back then. And is even still till now. P*ssy, and sex sells, even in the past. Nothing different today. If you got the goods, you're set for life. Better than being that ugly child that should've been aborted living out on the streets feeling unloved.

[@JeantheSecond]

The misogyny throughout history is truly exhausting.

[@TheCrimsonElite666]

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on how vampires and succubi\incubi became so popular in Japan that they basically went native and got their own Japanese names (the former were given the name "Kyūketsuki" or "bloodsucking demon", while the latter two were given the name "Inma" or "lewd demon").

[@toomanymarys7355]

Every culture has them. Even the Sumerians.

[@TheCrimsonElite666]

@@toomanymarys7355 Yes, but not for the Japanese since while there are yokai with similar features to them, they are still treated as distinct beings. The closest thing to vampires in Japanese mythology are nikusui, but the latter sucks meat rather than blood and they don't possess the weaknesses of the former. As for succubi, the only yokai with remotely similar features to them are kitsune, but needless to say, they are completely different beings.

[@LaydiNite]

@@TheCrimsonElite666 Jorogumo are spider-demons that function like a succubus, and there are several others that use an alluring appearance to lure in victims, like the Nure Onna. As for vampiric creatures, Nukekubi and Iso Onna would apply, though the latter is closer to something like a Nixie, in my opinion.

[@animangafan342]

The problem i see with a husband going to the pleasure district, is the STDs he's bringing home to the mother of his children. Those can also infect children during childbirth. Prostistutes had so much syphilis, especially before penicillin.

[@moistmarader5595]

perhaps that's why he was expected to stay monogamous with one courtesan, to prevent spreading?

[@animangafan342]

@moistmarader5595 how many people used that courtesan, tho? The courtesan by trade could not be monogamous.

[@emilybarclay8831]

High ranking courtesans with wealthy clients could be monogamous, but obviously lower class prostitutes had no such luxury

[@yesthatmousyiris4887]

It can still spread cause courtesans needed to see multiple clients to make money.@@moistmarader5595

[@tacitus_]

They also had the option of being a maid, which was like combining the two other paths.

[@phoenix72999]

😂💀

[@isobelduncan]

Partially true. They could also work as teachers, or even in shops. Some even worked alongside their husbands in the family business. It wasn't impossible for them to have their own jobs, it was just difficult and generally not considered "proper."

[@nairav9156]

No idea how YT figured out that I wanted Linfamys content in my life, but I'm 11 videos in and can't stop now.

[@Linfamy]

>:)

[@Lucious410]

😅 I'm so happy I'm living in this time. It's not perfect, but it's better for women. Thanks for sharing.

[@isobelduncan]

The Edo period wasn't too different in that regard really, sure it was harder than it is nowadays. But it wasn't ancient Athens level bad. They *could* have other jobs outside of the home, but it was generally wasn't considered "proper" and it was hard if you didn't have the support or the money.

[@cmarlow2200]

Please, make a video on how the economy was transformed during the Eco period. There were many innovations that took place in Japan, like the rice futures market in Osaka (first derivates market in the world). And also, how the thrilling economy and the peace gave bird to an incredible cultural evolution. I love your work btw :) Thanks!

[@cmarlow2200]

*Edo

[@bigorna4875]

He already has a couple of videos more about the economic side, not especially the rice future market. But, yeah the rice future market would be interesting

[@ferretyluv]

Pretty sure tulip mania predated that.

[@Candyy248]

Eco period, my favourite period, very ecologic ☺️

[@cmarlow2200]

@@ferretyluv Tulip mania has nothing to do with a futures market, if that's what you are referring to.

[@pepita2437]

'They had this idea that children owed a debt of gratitude to the parents" You have no idea how hard life was before industrialization. My great grandma grew up before the industrialization of Romania started. Esp in rural areas, women had a lot to do to be able to maintain the family, and home. Every week she had to bake bread for the whole family, she had to wash the clothes of very family member with hand. She had to cook, take care of the animals they had, while her husband was working. At the same time she had to babysit the children, and do the housework. She had to go to the market, to buy food, and some of the cases they even had to spun their own textile. She had to prepare for the winter, preserve food, marinate vegetables, cook jam, and put it away. Had to help with the agricultural jobs if needed. At the same time, she had to take care of her own old parents. While not the extent Japanese believed, but children owed a debt of gratitude in those times. It took a lots of work, self sacrifice, and even knowledge from the part of the mother to be able to manage the home.

[@Gildedmuse]

You read that morality guide and all I could think was, "right, so just be as boring and bland as possible." Honestly, teasing is how me and my partner show affection.

[@kittystrawbery5464]

"Yes, husband...😌 Here's your dinner, husband. I love you.❤.... ....Yes..... Ok.....🙂"

[@nonamepasserbya6658]

No talking doesn't mean never talk to him, back then it actually means no gossiping.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

@@kittystrawbery5464 Sooo wholesome and even-keeled? Sounds awful

[@gaiusoctaviues9899]

The story about the guy who said he killed himself if his girl wasent let go was suprisingly sweet.

[@MarkIsTiredAlways]

The only wholesome story the others are not so wholesome

[@MustachioMan111]

Kind of obvious, but it’s very interesting how some of these values translate today into things like Idol and Vtuber culture

[@rockinrootbeer1795]

And that's just on a wider scale. There's also the negative stereotype where women take _forever_ to get ready to go out because they have to do their hair, make up, and pick the perfect outfit. Good on them if they _want_ to do that (and aren't intentionally inconveniencing others), but as soon as others start saying they _have_ to do that, then it can be a problem. They're being bashed for taking a long time to get ready when they may not even want to do but feel socially obligated to or were told at a young age by family, friends, or social media "this is just what women do and should do." Don't get me wrong, self-care _is_ important, but when your self-worth is tied to what others think you look like with multiple frivolous masks on, then it's just getting to the point of ridiculousness. * *cough* * Sorry, I went on a bit of a rant there.

[@alexvig2369]

That's not only a Japanese thing. It was like that in European societies as well. The Russian author Dostoyevsky even explicitly wrote that: "a woman has two choices. Either to become a wife, or a prostitute." People from before the modern era would describe many of today's single ladies as s-x workers...

[@RuRaynor]

Yep and all of the canonical 5 Jack the Ripper victims had been married before being widowed or left by their husbands, forcing them to seek sex work.

[@KateeAngel]

Or a nun? That is the best choice

[@alexvig2369]

@@KateeAngel unironically, I agree. Though, the percentage of women willing to go down this path from a young is abysmally low. I don't really count as True Nuns former hookers and sl_ts who "saw the light of Jesus one day."

[@みゆき-s6g6x]

@@KateeAngel Indeed, religious hermitage is, in my opinion, the best route. It's a pity that it was something limited to mostly European, Christian nations. Nunnery was not an impossible route in Asia but it was not...as easy or lauded as it was in medieval Europe. Even in medieval Europe, it took a couple of enturies for it be as acceptable for women to enter religious hermitage.

[@andrewpatton5114]

@@みゆき-s6g6x But woe to the consecrated virgin who broke her vows. A fallen nun was seen as more shameful than a prostitute. Consider that even though being raped was not a sin, Dante consigned nuns who allowed themselves to be raped instead of dying resisting to the lowest sphere of Heaven.

[@dominicadrean2160]

Watching your videos on this kind of stuff makes me think of medieval onlyfans😅😂

[@ClaustroPasta]

Luckily, in modern days being a whore is voluntary work

[@jinx_.3xists974]

😭 HELP

[@MikaelaJoArroyo]

😂😂😂

[@gangurobitch]

That's basically what courtesans were. But with more STDs

[@mattcgw]

I'm disappointed that linfamy didn't copy paste a picture of Ehren over mikasa's boyfriend. It would've been funny.

[@j.h-j5j]

I love these video illustrations. I wonder if Linfamy makes them himself. I would like to see him draw them. But I would like more to learn to draw them.

[@Anubis30224]

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! I got to the part where you say "they had one job that was more important: obedience" and before obedience was said a fucking dishwasher commercial popped up

[@Rainomai]

How many more edo period women videos will we get? I’m not complaining at all I actually enjoy these videos A LOT

[@TheMuseSway]

I can't help but wonder the STD rate during those time periods. I feel like there has to be some cheating going on other than a man having a wife and a side chick and were expected to loyal to both. 😂

[@anti.bctards7376]

It was very common in the entertainment district. Most pros, even Oirans died around their early 20’s and their skeletons had signs of STDS.

[@Lady_Chalk]

4:40 What manga is that? It looks really good!! 5:07 And beautifully written! The mangaka did their research!

[@Linfamy]

It's called Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan. Actually, it's not the original text. I replaced all the speech text with my own 😅

[@Lady_Chalk]

@@Linfamy Aw man, I really wanted it to be written like that!

[@adzi6164]

...it truly felt like a shitpost, yeah XD

[@robloxnoob4098]

I come back after 3 years of not watching your videos and I still see your talking about Japanese wives

[@paxguino]

Magnific as always, thank you

[@jeanfalconer6377]

Humour on point as always. Thank you.

[@OrchidLuvsU]

I liked the fact you put kny scenes from the red light district arc! :D I rlly liked that arc, it's my fav >_

[@alex_zetsu]

0:42 As fun as these videos are, you're right the channel has gotten to these a lot more. I wouldn't mind you getting back to your history of Japan series. Not make it push out all the other topics, but maybe 3 a year so we can get to the early Ashikaga Shogunate?

[@halfbakedblake]

I agree, loved your history videos. Why I'm here today

[@jaeboogie2786]

I love the way he say "babies" it's so funny and cute.

[@NatalieAliciaNorment]

I believe this video finalized my fate on having daughters with someone who could portray himself as a male courtesan from one of my short stories in a film someday, but first I must find him.

[@mathieuleader8601]

the dual yellow roads made me think of a retelling of the Wizard of Oz where the main character lands in a feudal Oz

[@arnonum7455]

You are one of the best storytellers. 😅 Even if I'm not a native english speaker, I had to giggle a lot. Thx

[@specialsmithchick]

LOVE LOVE LOVE Your Videos❣️ I hope you consider making videos of other nations’ histories.

[@HypaBumfuzzle]

Yayyy, a lovely treat for my day off, thank you

[@raykotyan]

God I really wanna learn more about system in those Japanese brothels I mean isn’t courtesans there were having ranks? And what about routine of courtesans? What instruments did they play to entertain clients? What clothes did they wore? How even looked Red Light District? And about structure of those brother buildings..

[@isobelduncan]

He's done a whole video on this. You just have to search his channel.

[@rcscs26]

Yay!!!!!!! Thank you for the another awesome Video!

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

Idk why talking too much was always seen as a bad thing for wives back then in Asia. I know in Korea in the Joseon period, one of the legal reasons a man could divorce his wife was if she talked too much. BUT a man couldn’t divorce his wife if she always obeyed her in-laws and mourned them for a period of time after their death.

[@dyllanfreiheit6330]

Same in pre-modern China. Traditionally, a man could divorce his wife if she either: 1. Disobey her in-laws 2. Failed to give him a child (idk if a daughter counts as a "child") 3. Cheated on him 4. Too jealous 5. Have contagious disease 6. Steals his possessions 7. TALKS TOO MUCH ("A decent woman should be seen, not heard", maybe this is why talking too much is a bad thing) But he couldn't divorce his wife if she either: 1. Mourns a full 3 yrs period for one of her deceased in-laws 2. Married him while he was poor, and now he's rich/powerful 3. Her original family is gone(either dead or moved away), if divorced, she'd have no home to return to

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

@@dyllanfreiheit6330 in Korea, the “failed to give him a child” was specified as a son in some cases, so maybe. Also I found out that in Korea, the taking too much specifically meant gossip. So a wife could talk her husband’s ear off but she could not be found gossiping about the family because doing so would ruin the family’s reputation.

[@dyllanfreiheit6330]

@@MikaelaKMajorHistory Same in China, a wife could dominate her husband by talking his ears off, guiding him to be a better person(doing so will even be praised), but gossiping is defiately a no-no.

[@iasked9392]

you mean east asia. SEA had quite a flexibility when it comes to gender roles and sexuality (before the spread of islam).

[@MikaelaKMajorHistory]

@@iasked9392 yes you’re right

[@mattcgw]

I would really appreciate and like to know how much or expensive these contracts were. Like did they have a yearly average payoff? For example 1 year of a 25 year mortgage kind've deal? Or average year income compered to a basic cost of the contract.

[@medcastrophilip544]

Same ive wondered this too. Does it even ever get payed off? Or does the owner keep adding intrest as the year goes by making it impossible to be bought out.

[@isobelduncan]

Depending on how popular she was, a courtesan's contract could cost as much as a small palace. A geisha's contract would not as dear but still pretty expensive. In fact towards the end of the Edo period tayuu (high-ranking, elite courtesans) became very rare because barely anyone could afford them.

[@OssamabinKenny]

Did you know, Sakata Gintoki is the representation of Japan’s Lost Generation?

[@annabellthedoll9953]

No, but that sounds so interesting to hear about.

[@nidohime6233]

He was in the series, he grew up in a time where the world was strugling with the alien oppression, and he was part of the rebels who lost.

[@OssamabinKenny]

@@nidohime6233 Which “series?” Has this channel done a video on Gintama?!!

[@share.theworld]

I watched your videos about kamakura period and thought hmm how did the japanese people live in the edo period, did things change? 🤔 then you posted this

[@Linfamy]

Made it just for you

[@share.theworld]

@@Linfamy man! thank you

[@BlueberryFundip]

Lmfao, both roads sounded like pain😅

[@tastefullynerdy1161]

Amazing video and boy it must have sucked being a woman in Edo period Japan. Also what's the manga in the section on courtesan life called, the artwork is gorgeous!

[@stevenedmund5680]

LIKED another great video that was fun to watch

[@Linfamy]

Glad you like :)

[@PhilieBlunt666]

Oh man, no matter the subject ya always make me giggle my dude

[@SprinkleMyDoughnuts]

I probably would have killed myself if I was born during this time period as a woman.

[@Kibatsume1]

Unlikely ,if you were born during that era you would know no other way . it would be normal in your eyes

[@SprinkleMyDoughnuts]

@@Kibatsume1 I mean, I was also raised in a very heteronormative society and still came out as a lesbian and rebelled against traditional gender roles despite it being the norm. So still, either I would have killed myself during that time period or I would have rebelled against it in some shape or form. With my personality, these things would have been more likely than me simply being ok with it.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

@@SprinkleMyDoughnuts no, you would fall in line like 99% of the rest... people love to think they are special because they just so happen to like something different in an age were nobody gives a hoot about your preferences

[@the9970]

@@jesusbarrera6916 I'd say endure through it would fit better ngl. Said person would probably have a horrible life though unfortunately due to the circumstances of the time.

[@YahomieRevil]

​@SprinkleMyDoughnuts So, who would you rebel with. You wouldn't be able to different society. Even if you did they would all see you as weird for disrespecting normality.

[@cameronmacdonald772]

You killed me with "3D printer of meat." 🤣

[@sarahisatitagain]

Can you tell us the manga source you used for the courtesan image? Specially the one she says "my head is too heavy"

[@Linfamy]

It's called Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan. Actually, the speech text in all those panels are not the original, I replace them all with my own 😅

[@Jobe-13]

Sex work in Edo Japan seems so fascinating to me. Especially how they were expected to be omnisavants.

[@May_Green]

I wonder what's the retirement plan for courtesans in that era. The job span seems to similar with athletes, so the career paths after they hit 30s-40s maybe similar.

[@shinoame]

Many died young because of venereal deseases, as they grew older they lost appeal and also became harder to earn a living, so would probably die in poverty. However perhaps they could became the owners of a brothel, but I'm not sure about that

[@May_Green]

@@shinoame I was thinking some who survive may become a brothel owner or teacher. But yeah I guess the future was gloomy for most of them..

[@emybarker20]

Amazing cat in the box!!! Yeah I think it’s worth looking at longevity during that time anwyway Might not get that old cause sexual diseases

[@NoahKaneYhen]

Thx linfamy now im addicted to ur channel😔🤙

[@Linfamy]

😈

[@A13X_H_22]

Linfamy please research reactions after the atomic bomb. Iv heard main land Japanese say they surrendered because of the bomb. And iv also heard troops in China/Asia say they surrendered because of Russia. I think that would be a great topic to explore

[@dannylo5875]

They could drop three good things at the same time. But they only dropped two not four.

[@WolfgangDoW]

Japan surrendered MULTIPLE times before the atomic bombs were dropped. They just asked to keep their emperor, ever if they had zero power and was just a name USA wanted an unconditional surrender though

[@Eanki_]

Your populace felt the power of the atomic bomb. Your troops abroad did not. Japanese cities were getting bombed daily. What was the difference to your troops. So you tell your populace you surrender because of the atomic bomb. Your populace did not suffer from Russians. Your troops abroad did. So you tell your troops abroad you surrendered because of the Russians.

[@yamisarkar91]

😅😅😅Wooo Soo was like today 🤣🤣🤣ohhh Soo sad this cycle. Linfamy should write ✍️ books 📚...i love it.

[@Candyy248]

My goodness what complicated times were these v:

[@monikacau01234]

Wow... i am glad i was born in modern day.... Have you heard of hitobashira? It is also wild back then

[@eyuelnegash2681]

Linfamy you are the funniest history teacher👍✌

[@vio9105]

08:40 I've been wondering where those screenshots are from that are being used throughout the video. Does anyone know?

[@starwoodanime1532]

Ohhhh perfect idea for a movie

[@Candyy248]

Buying tofu?!! Oh no pls no 😢 That is so cruel 😢😢

[@aurelio5768]

Ok great video as usual, but what manga are the pics from?? :0

[@luislozano6073]

I'm taking notes on this.

[@infinitechibi1496]

I wonder if one would successfully be able to run away and disguise oneself as a man, take a low tier job thats sure to be needing an extra hand and live like that? I wonder how feasible such an idea would be.

[@Pooky1991]

I remember reading about women, usually more well off women disguising themselves as men in male dominated societies like this. I would love to see a video about those people.

[@Human-san]

Probably happened

[@prettyevil6662000]

I love that men just couldn't even stay faithful to their prostitute so a whole profession was created to fix their messed up top knots.

[@izabelreis5274]

So mind-blowing!!!

[@Belgand]

You had me at "kon kon". But seriously, could you please tell us what manga that is? It looks interesting.

[@darraghchapman]

What's the anime shown at 7:00 and 8:31? I assume it's an anime and not just single pictures. Really cool lighting and ambiance.

[@Linfamy]

Demon Slayer. I've never watched, but it's popular.

[@elylioney6390]

​@@Linfamywatch it, both of you

[@Linfamy]

@@elylioney6390 make me

[@darraghchapman]

@@Linfamy Thanks!

[@mrkshply]

Confirming: I heard "3D printer of meat"?

[@Hag_of_Fangorn]

Men have always been so fragile all over the world.

[@fvwak]

I really dont understand why and when women started to be treaten like that. Maybe bc mens nature us see a woman just a sex toy?

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

Loki's children... I kinda feel like I can see that courtesan culture still very present in some global cultural phenomenon ( sorry I know you have a problem with this word but I had to use it anyway) maybe the entire contract minus the sex work but man do they carry that tradition and dial it up to industrial level... like... wow...

[@temporary4852]

nice to see you keep doing this type of content,have a good one friend:)

[@shaggyzor]

The images in way of the courtisan. Are those from a manga and if so, which one?

[@vipernest2136]

whats the name of the manga you used for some of the images?

[@isobelduncan]

People, please bear in mind that Linfamy's video here is mainly about prostitution at the time. He does also briefly that women at the time did have the option of serving at a temple or a shrine, and that it wasn't technically impossible for them to earn their own income, but it was difficult. So, it's not really that marriage or prostitution were their *only* options, but more they were just the *easiest* ones. Especially if you were poor. It wasn't that different in the West either. So yes it *was* tough( it was for men too) but at the same time it wasn't The Handmaid's Tale.

[@Champagneartistico]

@Linfamy thanks so much! Could you please name the manga that you are showing in the video? Thanks

[@Linfamy]

Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan ;)

[@unknowncreature-0069]

In all honesty I'd probably end up as a shrine maiden

[@canteventhough]

This is gold.

[@damakameliowa34]

4:36 I need the title of the manga. Please!

[@avenperez5946]

I looked it up I'm pretty sure it's called Yukarism.

[@deathbunny3542]

Could you make a video about the KuneKune?

[@pomf666]

Can you do a video in the future about わら人形 ?

[@francinebacone1455]

I LOVE this channel. I wont even expect you to marry me.

[@SomaelTentacleHair]

Now I feel like being disobedient against everything.

[@src175]

This kinda sounds like im complaining, but will you like, ever get to the Muromachi and Azuchi periods, or are you just gonna skip to the Edo?

[@leahfernandez8902]

Watching this made me understand Daki's role and resentment of humans somehow.

[@KG-gg8rl]

There's a book called diary of a geisha - it's very good.

[@ferretyluv]

It’s also not very accurate and the lady who it’s based on complained about it

[@isobelduncan]

@@ferretyluv She published her own autobiography, I'd recommend that one instead.

[@CatzK3]

I wonder how many times you can remake the same video...

[@LighPixie21512]

Where do these clips come from? 04:31 and 07:02

[@henryattfield8979]

I have a question, what was the blind, wall thing that japanese emporors spoke behind?

[@mcmona4171]

The way it was like some crazy dystopian, like the handmaid's tale but in real life. It is both interesting and disgusting the way women were treated like the inferior sex.

[@Kibatsume1]

And we are reverting back to it. Europe a 17 year old raped a girl, only got community service because he's under 25 . A girl was sodomized in the bathroom of her school, the male is being let off the hook because he identifies as a woman . Two teenage students had the hell beat out of them by a fully grown male in the girls room, there again who identified as a woman getting a slap-on-the-wrist. Despite video footage of it!!

[@isobelduncan]

Not really. Remember the video is mainly about the red light district. Marriage and prostitution weren't the *only* options for women back then, but they were the *easiest*. They could still earn their own income in other ways e.g domestic servants, teaching, shops, waitressing, some could even own their own business like Sakamoto Ryouma's wife, Narasaki Ryo who owned a ryokan (inn). Some even worked in family businesses alongside their husband. And their education was actually pretty decent too; some fathers even paid for their daughters to receive extra education. And if they wanted, they could always become a miko (Shinto shrine maiden) or a Buddhist nun. Sure, it wasn't as easy as it is nowadays, but it wasn't the absolute worst. History has a lot of room for nuance.

[@TheSharpmarksman]

"i will kill myself and haunt you to the end of days" is a very, very effective threat

[@samwill7259]

Remember You owe your parent nothing. You did not ask to be born and they do not owe any kind of gratitude for giving birth to you or raising you. That's a choice THEY made, not you. Live to make yourself happy and satisfied. If that diverges with what your parents "want for you", find a better family.

[@blugaledoh2669]

I have to disagree somewhat. It is true that parent have an obligation to take care of their children but there is no specific rules as to how. But any good parent would do the best and go above just the bare minimum to raise a child. Lastly, any good relationship require reciprocity. While I am not suggesting your family should dictate your life, you in fact owe your parent something which is care and respect. Many people bring up that children never consent to being born but there is problem with that idea. Like let do it reverse, can a baby consent to their abortion? Also, the lack of consent doesn’t always mean you free from certain obligations.

[@samwill7259]

@@blugaledoh2669 That entirely depends on the parents. If your parents are acting like this, especially in the modern day, or are otherwise abusive in any other way. Screw 'em.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@samwill7259 well yeah true

[@andrewpatton5114]

You have a responsibility to care for them in their old age/infirmity. You have a duty to obey their rules while you live in their house. You do not have a duty to follow the life path they chose for you.

[@samwill7259]

@@andrewpatton5114 You actually don't have any obligation for that first thing, especially abusers