Linus reviewed (roasted) our phone | Fairphone reacts

[@cesarecesare6489]

I work in a company where we work as maintenance technicians, we are often on construction sites and our smartphone hardly lasted more than a year. I recommended this smartphone to our manager and he took it for all employees, we have already changed a screen, but in general it is very durable. Well done for making such a product.

[@Ghfvhvfg]

It must be amzing give evreyone a company phone that you acn fix and send back in a day not wait 15 days cause of the delivery chain

[@GeorgNovak]

Jj​@@Ghfvhvfg

[@Woodsmasher]

The sole fact that I can replace the battery like the old days on a modern smartphone... I'm sold.

[@RubenvanKuik]

FairPhone did a much better job at convincing me to NOT get a FairPhone 5 than Linus... because I'll still be using my FairPhone 3 for years.

[@Fairphone]

Let's gooo :)

[@Timotej_Senk]

Absolutely gigachad

[@AFPinerosG]

Serious question. How often do they release new phone versions? 3, 4, 5... I mean... If they say the next one will have a better screen and will have half the width with wireless charging... I would jump to the next phone. What to do with my previous one? Can I use the Fairphone 4 components in the Fairphone 5? Otherwise, is this going in the trash bin?

[@KGello]

No, you send it back and they will reuse it

[@crazyidiot5309]

Because they cheaped out and skimped on everything they could after the FP3. The dropped TRS jack wasn't anything but being ~courageous~ enough to remove it.

[@Noname12........641]

YOU GUYS ACTUALLY CREATING A TREND that phones should be more repairable phones should have more than 5 years of software support phone parts should be readily availible for the users to end of life Phone should have removable sd card slot i dont know why are they removing it headphone jack should be there but no one uses wired headphones except me and i dont have problem with the dongle KEEP ON DOING THAT AND ONCE IT RELEASES IN INDIA I WILL BUY IT

[@Mixmastermez]

Their removing SD cards so you can't own anything that's not on a cloud. Pay pay pay pay pay. Pretty soon we'll all just give up on smartphones. I'm close

[@Noname12........641]

@@Mixmastermez and all those ai llm shit for galaxy they are going to make even the basic software and os paid

[@180fJC]

I think this is the best explanation for why ​@@Mixmastermez

[@grellguy]

When I bought my Fairphone 3, I was aware of most of the compromises I would have to make and I do not regret buying it. However, I want you to understand that, from my user perspective, Fairphone 5 is not in competition to Fairphone 4. It is in competition to all regular phones out there. Earlier Fairphone models should not be the main benchmark when you are designing your next phone. In the past better often was not good enough but just less bad, unfortunately.

[@Fairphone]

that's a good point - and watching it back now, I can see why it comes across that way. Miquel mainly brought up the Fairphone 4, because Linus reviewed a bunch of things favourably in that video and criticised them this time around. But true, of course we're trying to be an alternative for everyone looking to by a phone right now and not compared to the best we could do in 2021 :)

[@DerekKnop]

@@FairphoneI can see why his view changed though. The world has moved on and technology has advanced since the FP4 came out. Something that was great, or even just good then is behind now. The industry, and with that what the average (not issue focused) buyer is expecting from a device. Every year we use our phones for more and more things. Something on the order of 78% of phone users in the US and Canada play at least one game per day on their phone, so the perspective of Linus is going to come from that US/Canada perspective.

[@sawyer-m]

​@@DerekKnopI also see movement in how people talk about phone repairability/ support life/ sustainability

[@GsrItalia]

If your Fairphone 3 is good for you, keep it and make it run. However, after two iteractions, I was hoping that spending three times the price for a budget phone would deliver better performances with higher durability and top notch repairability. According to the reacting video, performances were compared to 8 year older device with less ram and was on par with that. So maybe it's more resource wasting, but buying 2 budget phone will allow me to use them for 6-8 years, immobilize less money and maybe have a better phone after the first one. IMVHO Fairphone miss the point of... smartphone if the new device is not crushing a 8 year old flagship with less performance hardware...

[@davinderc]

@@GsrItalia why are you comparing it to a budget phone? the concept of the Fairphone is not only to make it the cheapest per silicon chip... it is fair for everyone involved, so if you're fine with children mining lithium for your batteries and assembly line workers making maybe a livable wage, that's your choice and the Fairphone is not for you! and you're asking for top notch repairability, it's pretty clear that no other mainstream manufacturer makes repairable phones, so yes it is top notch. What's not durable about the fairphone?

[@allenellisdewitt]

The vibration strength could 100% be a deal breaker for many people, I can see that.

[@namolbaltoaca4808]

Yeah, that is an issue, the problem would be tough, is the vibration weak on all drvices or it happened to be on Pinus, his device only? That is why such claims are again, to be taken with a frain of salt.

[@bland9876]

The three phones I've had somewhat recently I'll have different kinds of vibration and some of them are not as good.

[@kaptn_kapton]

I always miss calls with my no-fairphone. Hate it.

[@bland9876]

@@kaptn_kapton well then get a new phone

[@bland9876]

@@kaptn_kapton no one is forcing you to keep it. (Also nine one one exists if you need help)

[@icetanker8062]

This video focuses a lot of comparing the 5 to the 4, and obviously the 5 is going to be better than the 4 - I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. But the phone doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and unfortunately while it’s better than the previous gen it’s not quite at the level of its competitors especially at the price point. It would have been better to explain why the phone is, for example, heavier than the competition and how it’s a trade off for repairability or any other reason instead of just leaving it at “6% better than last gen”. Some more insights into why the phone falls behind other options available on the market would have been good to see and would have led to a lot less negativity. Best of luck in the future though, and I can’t wait to see what the fairphone 6 and onwards will be like.

[@flashgordon5488]

I totally agree here. Simply acknowledging that the phone slightly lags behind compared to other major companies due to their massively bigger sales and more aggressive exploitation would have been just honest. Fairphone, being more of a niche product, cannot compete in this way. But that doesn't diminish the outstanding product at all! It's still a fantastic phone, close to the top performance wise, WITH ALL THE IMPORTANT BENEFITS. I want my phone to last 10+ years. I want workers to be paid and a conscious handling of our environment. The response was too butthurt.

[@ffKingcreole]

Sadly in some way, Fairphone exists in a vacuum, appart from Fairphone and Shiftphone I know of no other Phone manufacturer that can be trusted with creating a phone fair-ish and repairable, if you care about those things, there is no competition, I would love for the Pixels and Samsungs to be produced fair, but since I draw the Line at ignoring fair labour the two phones, FP5 and Shiftphone 8 exist in a vacuum

[@federicorubionavarro3399]

yes it is, it actually is far superior to its competitors if you value what fairphone brings to the table. if you dont, get another phone

[@jondonnelly3]

Thing is if i need a screen or a battery for my Samsung S21 it can be done in shop up the street and my old 5 year S21 still shits all over the new fairphone and battery still works at 89% of new. So why would I not just get a used S24 ultra next?

[@jondonnelly3]

​@@federicorubionavarro3399If u take out battery and screen repairs which can be done what else is there to value?

[@jackmillen]

I think this video is a developers at blizcon kinda thing. These are people who are really passionate about that they do, but aren't the most PR trained

[@dan8t669]

You want PR guys? I'd rather have a real person telling the truth. Also: After decades in tech -reviewing- *unboxing* Linus still only has entry level knowledge in electronics. He's an entertainer, nothing more.

[@jackmillen]

@dan8t669 I never said I wanted PR guys. I was just discussing the risks involved with people who actually know what they're talking about, making public statements

[@modena90]

I love your concept and I wish big tech youtubers like MKBHD and Mrwhosetheboss gave you a 2023 prize, as the most sustainable phone. Also why care for a wireless charging? When you can simply open the case and change battery. It's instant 100%. You're a great company. Keep doing the good work. 👏

[@180fJC]

You can also charge the phone very quickly too with a fast charging battery bank

[@linkwaker10]

I miss that feature in smartphones omg

[@maggs9639]

I have the fairphone 4 and love it. It performs perfect for a normal person who needs a phone. I don’t need a supercomputer. I get worn out by tech reviewers and specs. People who bought this phone did for a different reason….appreciate the reaction and ownership of device’s performance.

[@Blue_Blaze72]

Definitely agree that Linus was nitpicking a lot on the Farphone 5. I do agree that having strong vibrate on a phone is key, so glad to see you took that one seriously. Sounds like other things such as volume/screen brightness can be solved with updates which is good to hear too! The only thing left is to get into the US market. ;) I know fairphone 4 is there but with only 2-3 years of updates left, it doesn't make sense for me to buy it now. I'd much rather buy soon after release so I can take advantage of that long update cycle, replacing parts when needed. Lastly.. if someone did truly need more than 10 hours of youtube... you should point out that they can swap to a fresh battery in seconds lol. BAM! Another 10 hours of youtube right there.

[@luigimeschini3704]

nitpicking a lot on fairphone 5 was like "i want to destroy this product and i dont care who is made for", that makes Linus a cunt. Integrity was core essential to LTT, nowdays they dont give a damn. Comparing this phone to the likes of S20ish is not the point... but whatever, Linus become more like apple fan boy than anything. MKBHD did a good job with this phone, understanding what it was made for and pointed out some critics in that regard.

[@procrastinatingnerd]

I think Linus's point about the back button and google search not being movable is that most people don't want to use a different launcher, and your response that "you are free to download any launcher" is not a very good solution. Every time I have switched to a different launcher, they are riddled with other issues that drive me just as bonkers. Just get the stock launcher right in the first place so nobody has to switch to a different one. And I have been able to move the back button on every phone I have had. I am pretty sure it is a default option on android, (Edit: OK so moving them is not the default option) and you stopped to respond to the running apps thing as a "stock android" thing, so why were the buttons changed to be worse? I am completely with Linus on the back button, I like it on the right side so I don't have to reach across the phone with my thumb. This is why the option to move them exists on other phones... You are right though, there were a lot of comparisons that he made that I'm thinking, "ok, so". I think he is being extra critical of the phone because he wants you guys to succeed so much. So take it to heart.

[@MrTheJeoff]

This was a weird reaction to watch. This isn't the entire Linus video, just snippets, they actually skipped over quite a few things that Linus praised the phone about, like the power button with included finger print sensor.

[@JasonBayton]

Back button position isn't a default option in Android, OEMs themselves have to implement support for it, which is engineering resources they may not be able to prioritise with other issues to resolve, and the general market push to gesture nav Google is working towards. The search bar placement is a GMS (certification) item, hence Miquel referencing breaking contracts with Google. Custom launchers aren't bound by the same agreement

[@procrastinatingnerd]

@@MrTheJeoff I was surprised he didn't talk about the audio problems. It would have been a opportunity for them to correct Linus, or be honest. Instead they cut that part. It was a weird watch indeed.

[@procrastinatingnerd]

@@JasonBayton Every phone I have encountered has the option to move the buttons around so I guess I assumed that it was the default option. Maybe it was and it changed. Same with the google bar being a contractual thing. I have been able to move or remove it from all my phones... again maybe it changed recently. It's too bad they even have to be in a contract to have google on the phone but I suppose that will keep it competitive. I think the main audience for this phone would be more willing to change the launcher, but they shouldn't be relying on that.

[@JasonBayton]

@@procrastinatingnerd hasn't changed in recent history, but OEMs can and do offer it, particularly those in the East. For the search, any OEM that ships with the Google launcher can't change it, but they can choose to ship with their own custom implementation, referring back to Miquel's comment on doing a Fairphone one. The license agreement grants access to Google apps and services, you could ship without (they offer /e/OS after all) but it loses mass market appeal indeed

[@mitchib1440]

I think you should be a little less defensive. I'd buy a Fairphone if it had a headphone jack, no holepunch camera, uniform bezels (I don't care if they're big) and at least 120hz. The ability to hot-swap TF cards is useful for people who do a lot of video or who listen to mp3s. Measuring a device thickness in my opinion should always include the camera bump. No question. You can't say "my car is 2.3 metres wide if you don't count the wheel arches" because that's literally part of it. As for "you're calling a deal-breaker something that can be solved in a monthly software update", you should never buy something for what it can be, only what it is. The ability to swap the back and multitask buttons is something I would need. Having them with the back button so far away is just not ergonomic. Linus' point about the Samsung being easy to repair is totally wrong. There's no question that Fairphone is easier. Is a Framework laptop as seamless as a MacBook? No. There's got to be a compromise. That's the nature of it. Your whole "thank you for the airtime" seemed really petty and like you had a personal grudge against a reviewer for doing their job. Do you really think many people will buy a Fairphone after such a hard-hitting review? I was going to and after seeing the problems he had I decided against it even though I firmly believe in the mission. Try to do this kind of thing with a more open mind. It felt like you were kinda acting stroppy in this video and it's really off-putting when your company is A+ otherwise. I hope it improves in the future.

[@Vulcannyx]

Tbh redmagic has made phones with an under display front camera so there doesn't have to be a hole punch, but it seems to be a pretty new thing so far. Maybe the Fairphone 6 would have it but idk.

[@mitchib1440]

@@Vulcannyx I'm using an ROG Phone 7 Ultimate right now. Been using ROG since 2019. I swear they just get everything right for me, I just wish they were easier to repair.

[@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem]

@@mitchib1440 I find it weird you complained about it not having uniform bezels and later saying you have a ROG Phone 7 Ultimate. I was already going to ask you which phone you have, because the only phones in the whole universe that have had uniform bezels and still have to this date* are the iPhones. It always baffles me how any other company couldn't replicate this yet. * Edit: apparently this is no longer the case

[@mitchib1440]

​​@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystemoh sorry, I mean top and bottom. I don't care if the sides are different. As long as top and bottom are the same thickness, and left and right are the same thickness. My bad, I should've been clearer with that. iPhones are probably the worst at the moment with their ridiculous camera cutout. To me, that's even worse than having a massive forehead and chin. I hate displays that have a hole punch or a notch or any other display intrusion. I'd genuinely rather have fat bezels. I want to be able to turn my phone to landscape and have the entire screen still be symmetrical. If you have a giant pill-shaped cutout on one side then that's not symmetrical and would annoy me so much when watching videos. I'm honestly amazed that Apple still hasn't solved that one.

[@izanefe4231]

@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem sorry? my nothing phone 1 and a LOT of samsung's current lineup of phones have even bezels

[@PixelShade]

I think one thing that could benefit fairphone is if you guys offer something different design-wise compared to other companies. That way you will not get compared in the same light... These days, there are barely any small phones left on the market. I would've loved if you guys made something like that. I still hate the fact that phones are so big these days that I can barely have them in my pocket when sitting down or cycling. I'm not really conserned about the thickness but rather the massive real estate of the modern phone screens. Phones have really just become waaaay too wide and tall these days... I could see myself using something with the same footprint as an iPhone4 or iPhone6. But those kind of phones barely exist anymore.

[@zeliph]

I'm hoping by the time I have to replace my Pixel 7, the Fairphone 5 or 6 comes out to the U.S. ! - I'm aware Fairphone sacrificed the headphone jack on the 5, but don't get rid of the micro SD card slot on the 6! :)

[@Nautical_Cyclist]

Yeah that's my plan too! I had to get a new screen for my pixel 7 pro because it failed right after the warranty.

[@pablograciasanchez1251]

​@@Nautical_CyclistJesucristo te ama arrepiéntete de tus pecados y ten perdón de pecados en Su Nombre

[@NetraAmorosi]

While not official, You already can buy in the U.S. off of Amazon via third party providers.

[@adityadubey177]

Replace after your pixel dies (better for environment )

[@zeliph]

@@adityadubey177 I will by the time support ends by 2027.

[@DMS3TV]

You seem a bit defense in areas that really do need improvement... I tried to like fairphone, but the small battery, crappy camera, and software felt incomplete :( especially at it's price.

[@Ezz0Clan]

I'll cut the guy some slack.. 100% Agree with the criticism tho, but I think when you're not avid content creator and doing off the cuff video like this... You'd be hard pressed to find more authentic reaction lmao. It's raw, and while they aren't reflecting great on spot, I do appreciate that it was still public, and I hope his able to reflect on the peoples critiques. I'm just imagining how many other creators would've scrapped the video when realizing it'd make them look bad. But again, actions speak louder than words so, only time will tell I suppose. From company stand point and of all the people working under them, I hope they succeed and get to making great product that reflects their vision and is more customer friendly.

[@T__B]

exactly !!!!

[@JessicaFEREM]

An argument for the small battery is that you can carry a few of them in your backpack and pull one out when it dies, and charge them outside of the phone.

[@Azarilh]

@@JessicaFEREM That's worse for the environment, which is supposed to be the strength of the FP.

[@luigimeschini3704]

Want a fair Samsung phone? Probably you should pay 3000$ for just a basic S24. :)

[@ChrisFloof]

For the wireless charging, would it be possible to do something like the Samsung Note 3 did? You could buy a new back cover that had the wireless charging coil built in. It had pins on the case and metal pads on the phone so if you wanted wireless charging you could just buy a new back cover and if you didn't, you already had everything you need.

[@rustyholt6619]

i added wireless charging to a $100 nokia with a $15 adapter card plugs into c port and sticks to back under case

[@ChrisFloof]

@@rustyholt6619 Oh man, I remember doing that to an old Sony Xperia phone! It worked but didn't last for long as it was sandwiched between the phone and a case and I often used the USB port for file transfer, so the thin ribbon cable to the charging pad snapped :(

I think the point is more that they do not support wireless charging efficiency as a whole at this stage - it is too inefficient and, therefore, wastes too much energy.

[@bzuidgeest]

Wireless charging wasts energy. Charging via cable is much more efficient. And plugging something in takes no effort at all, unless you're lazy. If a phone wants to be green, wireless charging is just out.

[@Simon-tr9hv]

@@bzuidgeest LMFAO

[@velvetcobra5787]

I find it HILARIOUS that people can really compare the cost of this phone to the cost of other phones. It’s the same as comparing a well paid employee made dress to one produced in a sweatshop. If it’s not affordable for you right now then that’s fair enough, but it’s the other phones which are dirt cheap through exploitation. This is the cost that a phone is meant to be.

[@krutikattige8340]

Agreeeed

[@krutikattige8340]

If every phone would add their environmental and social cost of manufacturing and usage/repair, they would be 10 times more expensive.

[@Saint_Medusa]

​@@krutikattige8340 which means you're to used to exploration which is fine but don't think it's norm

[@MorganTheGorgon]

I mean sure, but this phone doesn't exist in a vacuum. A majority of people aren't overly concerned with how a phone is produced, or with the ethics behind it--they want an affordable phone with good battery life, a good screen, and that's powerful enough to where they won't have to upgrade every two years. Fairphones are expensive for the performance and hardware you get, and that's something the average consumer isn't just going to look past for better or worse.

[@ethlanrete6736]

​@@krutikattige8340ach jii

[@kadinhattum9862]

a FairPhone might not me my cup of tea. But as for someone like my dad who dose construction work. I can see the fairPhone being a way better option. Especially for those who just wanna use their phone to make calls, text, take pictures and play some basic games. I am so recommending the fairphone to my dad. Keep up the great work FairPhone.

[@h0moglobin]

Honestly I use my phone a lot, I watch videos and I'm on social media a fair bit, and the FP5 is perfect for that! It's not at all a phone that's just suitable for calls, texts, pictures and some basic games-- though I don't really play any mobile games myself. The FP4 wasn't for me, I looked into it about a year or so ago, the screen quality was the main dealbreaker for me (seeing as I like to watch movies & such on my phone), but I did end up making the switch when the FP5 came out. I had to slightly downgrade in a few aspects of it compared to my old phone (and upgrade in orders) but I've concluded I can live with that if it means having a phone that lasts a long time and is easily repairable if it breaks. It's a personal consideration and not everyone's phone habits work out with every model, I'd say I'm lucky that I'm not all that interested in mobile games at all, because that means the FP5 works out really well for me 😄

[@QuintupleA]

I have a Fairphone 4. The volume control is atrocious; everything is either super loud or quiet when I use headphones. It's like I can hear it jump across several noise levels. My choice right now is either developing tinnitus or not hearing my music. Idk. I love the mission you guys are on, but with a long standing issue like this that is still in your previous phone, I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that Linus' complaints can be fixed in software. Sure it can, but will you? Probably not, if my experience is anything to go by.

[@PotatoForABrain]

Huh, would it be fixed if you swapped ROMs?

[@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem]

I agree with you in this. it prob goes from 10 to 10% or smth like that. in my case, the minimum is still too loud...

[@nathanruggles]

This video is about FP5 not FP4. So not the place for that criticism unless you just feel like piling on

[@QuintupleA]

@@nathanruggles Of course it's the right place, because it's relevant. If they haven't fixed something like that on a phone they still support, why should we trust that they will in the future on another product? I wrote this comment months ago and it's still not fixed. Why should we believe that they'll fix anything inconvenient in software, when they pretty much never have? I can't release a buggy product and not fix it, then release another buggy product and just claim I'll fix it this time. History and context matters.

[@larkbird]

My biggest issue with FairPhone 5 is that it is not available in the USA. Other than that, it's my favorite phone!

[@Praderanoire]

While I don't think this response had the best tone to it, I still think the company mission at Fairphone is worth celebrating and supporting.

[@lorddarthvader6289]

Yeah he's very defensive. I understand this phone has compromises due to its repairability, but he didn't take criticism well.

[@MorningNapalm]

I would argue that Linus' review was not entirely in good faith. He complained about several things which are completely inconsequential, and comes across a bit whingy.

[@Sara-bk3yi]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓​@@MorningNapalm

[@tech-bore8839]

@@MorningNapalm That's Linus overall: a whiny-ass. It's why I can't take his opinions seriously. Really surprised he's as popular as he is with his overall demeanor.

[@merrickhurst4150]

Linus gripping about the smallest shit with millions of viewers vs a 150 person cellphone manufacturer? You're hilarious.

[@majkoce]

You can have wireless charging coil on the back cover and still have it removable, like Samsung Galaxy S5 did years ago

[@WoodsSooperDooperShop]

Samsung was the GOAT back then....I remember people still carrying around s3's almost a decade after it came out

[@cobrapond]

It should be possible to integrate wireless charging into the battery cover. Samsung did it years ago when the batteries were removable.

[@kittencure]

Wireless charging significantly degenerates battery lifespan. I am not sure that many people really care about it.

[@cobrapond]

​@@kittencureIt didn't significantly degrade the battery on my Galaxy S9 I wirelessly charged it every night, for about 5 years, from when I got it new until I upgraded to a s23 and still holds an usable charge now.

[@ramdas363]

@@cobrapond How do you know?

[@edgymushroom]

Great that you decided to respond, but along with some other guys say, you gotta be a bit careful with defensiveness. You got an amazing product, some of your responses are spot on and some are a bit passive aggressive "who watches KZbin for 10h" "really, Linus" "you use your phone at this angle?" there aaaaare better ways to respond to this 😅 I have a fairphone 5, and love the mission

[@Tomas970506]

Exacty there are flights which is over 10h, and most of us while flying watch content on their phone. So it was also valid!

[@ItsaB3AR]

@@Tomas970506True, but on the fairphone you can pop out the battery and put in a fully charged one. Not saying it's ideal, just not a super common use case.

[@schwuzi]

Also I'd like to use my phone for 2 or more days on a single charge. That comes in handy on trips and camping. Sure I can pack a powerbank but it'd be nice not to have to. Why does the fairphone have such poor battery life? It's got a big battery and a weaker processor than the Pixel, yet it only lasts half as long. It can only come down to software optimisation. They really have to work on that part. Google and other manufacturers have that part locked down pretty much.

[@K0r0n1s]

THIS

[@JuanRomero]

@@Tomas970506Surely if you're on a flight for over 10 hours, your seat will have a charging port?

[@Soccera0]

I'm disappointed that the bit about the phantom headphones was cut out. Do better.

[@thunderstar254]

The edits were pathetic tbh.

[@JessicaFEREM]

That was likely due to Linus having a prototype

[@qaywsxeee7888]

Give me a fucking headphone jack and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

[@CharllesC78]

Sony phones have headphone jack and micro SD card slot. Also It has most of the things other phones have!

[@mark5071]

​@@CharllesC78The problem with Sony phones is that they only have two years of software support.

[@raiden_pb]

get Xperia

[@felixokeefe]

If you're in Europe you can get a Gigaset phone. They have many of the repairability advantages of a Fairphone without the high price tag. OK they dont have the Fair sourcing that Fairphone does. They do have user swappable batteries and good spare part availability.

[@st.deykun]

For non-Samsung phones with a headphone jack, I think the Zenfone is a good option.

[@armorgeddon]

Thic bezels absolutely rock! *Much* *more* practical in daily usage.

[@alparius2]

The back button thing is definitely valid criticism. It's a simple thing and almost every phone allows reordering them, so the user should not have to re-train 10+ years of muscle memory. And then you just roll your eyes as a response...

[@99MrX99]

But as I understand this is something that is just not there in stock android so you should complain to Google, e.g. Samsung that allows that has a highly customized android.

[@wessel7919]

I have to agree, even though I own a fairphone, my workphone buttons are switched around....

@@99MrX99 : That would be a fair remark. Much better than just rolling his eyes like the presenter did...

[@11Bbq]

It’s nitpick at best. When gestures replaced buttons that wasn’t a life ending problem. It’s very low stakes to tap a different part of the screen. It’s also something that can be patched in software updates very simply.

[@namolbaltoaca4808]

Actually it is not, and who the h, still uses buttons in 2024? I mean, never heard of gestures? It takes like a day to get used to them, and the screan will thank you for getting rid of buttons therefore getting rid of the main culpit of screen burn-ins. Anyway, why in the world would faiphone be responsible to implement something that samsung felt the need to implement to look different? Is is like accusing samsung of not having a huge notch like iphone, because well, you got used to it, so every device should have one... if your memory is so stiff that it can't adapt to other means of software navigation, well do not use the device but do not make a problem of yours being a problem of others. Linus is always mainly scratching the surface and his reviews are plain boring mostly and biased, but his review of fairphone is blatened and pointless, almost like a kid that cannot accept that there are other motives and usage of a device then his own. This is not how you review a device. But well, 99 ٪ of so called "reviewers" are plain biased and have no essence whatsoever, pure trash, influencer like, more then anything.

[@bacphan7582]

How often do you replace your battery ? I bet less often than changing your sim or micro SD card. So why making changing battery easier than changing micro sd card ?

[@BlaineOliver]

Going to need a second battery with the battery life of the fair phone 5.

[@FMeister94]

Maybe cos you’d corrupt it by forgetting what you are accessing

[@namolbaltoaca4808]

Actually people who buy this type of devices buy two batteries to swap if neccessery, so yeah, a lot often then an sd card. And also, i do not care how easy it is to open a glued shut device to change the battery, prefere 100% the ability to open the device without any damage to the device structure.

[@CognitiveHeatsink]

On the early cell phones it was common to buy a spare battery and swap them out. You could even get charging stations that would charge the spare when it was removed from the phone. Its not as important now with battery improvements, but I miss having that option.

[@olivier4410]

Because you can switch to a new battery when the current one run out of charge. And I think it's the reason why Fairphone is offering a free battery at new fairephone use actually

[@rebeccadunne7207]

I like the points you made in the video keep on improving. And I think its important how much you care about the ones working on the components of your devices, its really nice to see that. So good job.

[@s980845]

But moving the back button should be standard. Please add that feature.

[@highimwolf]

Even tho I would scream if the back button was for some dumb reason moved to the right side, I agree with having the option to move it, muscle memory is a real thing. Especially for navigation that you use all the time. But regardless I'm going to flash Calyx OS de-googled OS on it anyways that probably has that option.

[@Arvi89]

To be fait that's the default android behavior. On my pixel 7 I can't change, and it pisses me off.

[@99MrX99]

Complain to Google than

[@caspertucker]

This is definitely my next phone. Love the response guys - thanks for making an ethical and awesome product! All the stuff Linus mentioned is 100% stuff I do not care about at all. I see a lot of misunderstandings around the price. Price is not really a factor with fairphone, if it was double the price....it would STILL BE CHEAPER. Most people where these phones are sold upgrade their phones every two years (or worse, every year). In Australia, over an eight year period this is $8000 to $16,000, insanity. You get a FairPhone - keep that for eight years, and you spend $800, occasional modular update...then at the end of the 8 years you have more longer lasting battery power, and your phone is 99% as good as if you had spent $8,000--$16,000. ...jeez, think about it guys, you get 99% of what you want (for me probably 100% if I am being honest) and you save 85%--95% of what you'd otherwise spend. Aside from all of this, I support this all in principle and am getting one purely because of that anyways, regardless of any tiny feature that is unlikely to change any factor of my life beyong 0.00001% in terms of benefits (eg; how it vibrates??? lol).

[@alessandrobiagiotti617]

Yo, wanted to say that I love the effort the company is putting into making something that should be industry shifting. I feel like you and Framework are working on similar points and are pursuing a similar objective. It's incredible thar you are still able to put in consumers' hands something that has high "environmental value" while still being perfectly usable and on par with some of the offers on the market. I completely understand that being able to fetch fair materials and components has to be a real pain because other competitors can just get their hands on better hardware just because of the lack of moral. This of course exposes you to some of the, I guess, founded critiques that Linus moves, he is the prototype of the consumer that could decide to go fairphone and do a favour to the environment and the people along the production line, but still has the ability to just go for Xiaomi / Oppo or whatever, sell is data and soul to big corpo and get a phone that is extremely competitive and (maybe) more aesthetically pleasing. Unfortunately I am one of those guys as well (decided to go Motorola becauwe it wws cheaper). I wish your products could cost a bit less, but I guess, with how thigs are right now it must be hard to price it differently, especially if you want to pay your staff fairly. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for future updates and releases though. Cheers from Italy ❤

[@MaxLivesInCanada]

if i wasnt watching 10 or more hours of youtube consistently, i wouldn't be watching this. think about that

[@Fairphone]

🤔🤔🤔

[@TheTallPalm]

What's a TV? ​@@Fairphone

[@st.deykun]

And it was 10h with 480p, so you can imagine results for 720p / 1080p.

[@JonSnyderfudge]

I think he is missing the point of the test. It's not that many would actually watch KZbin for 10 hours. That was just a consistent way to test the phones battery with screen on and some CPU usage. A better response would be that the battery life is worse due to how it is removable and therefore less capacity for the same footprint. However, since it is removable, you can replace the battery when it starts to no longer last all day. Not something you can do easily with pixel.

[@TheTallPalm]

@@JonSnyderfudge it's still not a good test, different types of work have a varying amount of impact on battery life based on the hardware that device has. This often results in circumstantial evidence especially considering different codecs, bitrates, bandwidth, memory, etc. For example, my phone has an ltpo screen so reading emails and browsing social media will have a drastically different impact compared to a device that has a more efficient decoder when it comes to VP9 but is stuck at 60fps. If the codec is for example AV1 or HEVC the battery life metrics could be very different on the same device. Etc The test only shows which device can play KZbin the longest, it doesn't even include different video apps in that measurement.

[@ethanmeatzie6179]

How often do you access the SD card? I'm a bit of an extreme case, but every few days, as I use my phone in conjunction with other things that the SD card is the only way to move data onto and off of them, and I use my phone as a download point and file manager when I'm not at home.

[@ryanchrisxp]

Fairphone is a great idea that I hope catches on. I just wish it was available in the U.S.

[@kibik]

I find problems with right or left return button also as big and deletion of google widget, we can do everything with hardware but not with software? Its not a deal breaker but something that can be fixed in future updates

[@Fairphone]

agree! We're looking into it

[@kylemcdonnell86]

Fairphone: You don't need that anyways.

[@pdgiddie]

It's a question of priorities.

[@Saxziton]

they're not not totally wrong

[@zehfisch2053]

@@Saxziton but i dont see how that is a good way to convince people buying your phone

[@gefaehrlich]

Not meant to be haha just an excuse (a valid one tbf) and they're convincing people in a different way I mean all of the compromises are pretty straightforward and due to the limitations of the whole process that makes the phone special ​@@zehfisch2053

[@Ecesu]

Well, that is also the point. Per the nature of the current tech landscape, every year every brand has a new phone with minor updates just to have yet another model on the market. Bigger, better, faster, longer..! As a result of that (and the online review landscape) people are focusing on the tiniest things with a magnifying glass because how else would you compare between the bajillion models out there. And it all gets very nitpicky which can be interesting but do we actually *need* all that, usually no, not really. The "Do I *actually* need that?" question could (and should) be applied to so many things in our lives though...

[@muttsmuttt]

fairphone 5 is the greatest phone anybody could get, imo. its greatest benefit, sustainability & repairability, outweighs all other cons. all silly modern fussiness aside, purchasing according to values and morals [in this case social and environmental] is such a massively important thing to consider that, to me, there simply is no other choice but fairphone. everything else is silly details that pale in comparison with the repairability and the sustainable manufacturing efforts. i'm glad fairphone still exists, and hope that will be the case in the future, and that more people will realise just how much the benefit of the sustainability & repairability outweighs all other cons- which are now more and more negligible compared to previous generations of fairphone.

[@roaba3581]

Rewatching the LTT review, I feel it completely missed the mark. The compromises it makes are a non-issue to me personally. I think this is comparable to the current GPU market. Nobody in their right mind buys a 4090. You just don't need one for normal day to day use. But having a 1500$ smartphone to be on social media is somehow normal.

[@kokokoko5105]

The back button was actualy a problem. I got used to it, but it was an inconvenience.

[@josephmorris1248]

I switched my navigation mode to gestures instead, so it's never bothered me because I can swipe from either side of the screen to go back ☺️

[@huffy7412]

@@josephmorris1248 it's good to know that's supported. I genuinely had no idea whether that was a pixel exclusive or not.

[@AdrieKooijman]

I am actually surprised if I see people actually using these button(s). Left? Right? Nope, swipeit it is.

[@diogoalbuquerque]

Probably something that can also be added in future feature update

[@UncleMisu]

​@@huffy7412It's standard on every android phone i bave ever used in the last 5 years

[@karlsullivan4761]

Been looking at replacing my phone recently. The only reason I didn't buy a Fairphone was because I was looking for something just a tad smaller, to fit comfortably in my my limited pocket space. Otherwise, the Fairphone meets all the main bullet points anyone uses a smartphone for: Calls, Texts, Calendar, Alarm Clock, Weather app, Web-Browsing, Pictures (occasionally), and Music / Audiobook / Video Streaming. And it does it while keeping the phone repairable/upgradeable, and without overdoing it on high-performance, under utilized specs. Literally, my need for a smaller device, which is frankly a bit less capable compared to the Fairphone, is the ONLY reason I bought something else.

[@prgnify]

What Linus said in the end, that he would recommend sooner that someone buy a used phone instead of the FP5, has a bit of merit. If you are a user who is comfortable with opening up glass backed phones and changing glued down batteries and is not looking to hold on to your phone for more than a couple of years - go ahead! Reuse is good! But then again, ethical concerns like where the lithium and cobalt for your battery is mined if you are replacing the old one in your samsung will not be addressed. Still, the FP5 is a phone you absolutely CAN use, you CAN repair and replace wear items like the battery, and you can trust the company is going to support it for years to come. To me it is a no brainer. (I don't have one YET, as my current and non-fair phone is alive and kicking. But I know what my next phone will be)

[@DanskeGuldfisk]

I've only changed phones because they stopped working or the charger port broke. Replacing those was 1/3rd of a new(ish) phone. Although I'd love to simply replace my usb port on my xiaomi 10 it was slightly more expensive to get a xiaomi 12. My phone before the xiaomi 10 was a Samsung where the power button fell off and before that I had a Huawei where the screen broke. I could have had the same phone now instead of buying 4 new ones

[@maroonmochi3426]

I think the criticism for the placement of the sim slot and sd card reader is pretty valid. I mean sure, you can argue that people won't be changing their cards that often but their are still a percentage that do for a practical reason. I don't really get what the compromise is if you had an external sim tray that can be accessed any time with a metal pin you could always take with you over the extra steps you'd have to do having it under the battery.

[@lwinklly]

Lol legends. Still rocking and loving my Fairphone (2)

[@Fairphone]

Fairphone 2? You're the legend!

[@ledocteur7701]

I overall agree with your points, there is 2 points I call bullshit on tho : Comparing to your last product is just not how people buy things. you are not competing against yourself, you are competing against every other smartphone brands. And the camera over processing, at the end of the day, you're taking pictures of real things, and the goal should always be to make the picture as accurate to real life as possible. If people want to oversaturate for artistic style, they can do it in the editor, but it should never be the by default render.

[@daviddemmers130]

Some items where i see a different aspect then you see. The biggest is that you see this review from linus in the light of the improvements you made from the FP 4 now to the FP 5. He reviews the phone from a more general & personal perspective. Where he criticizes gaming performance, this is not about playing games on your phone. This is a method of comparing the overall performance of the phone this is something you can extrapolate as programs and os updated become more demanding of the device. Where you want an amazing maybe overspec'd phone today so it is still great after those 6-8 years. I thought it was clear as this comparison was made after showing the relative responsiveness when even comparing it to the older samsung. And why dismiss his point about the battery life that is half of the pixel 8? "Oh the test that was run was bad for your mental health who actually wants to watch 10 hours of youtube?" This was pretty dismissive and some context here if you actually disagreed would have been nice. Criticizing his deal breaker for the backbutton position is kind of stupid honestly. It is obvious this is a divisive point in the community. Just remember the sony expedia phones and all the other strang things those phones had... Also Apple gets criticized heavily for similar problems, just because it feels like nit picking doesn't mean it is not valid. And his ideas in the end when comparing the repeatability of the FP5 to the samsung are not fundamentally wrong. If you would increase the complexity only slightly you might create a WAY more appealing phone. When some waterproofing could be introduced, or a slimmer phone was the result of a small compromise this would make the phone be more appealing to a way broader segment of consumers. As a someone waiting to buy a FP5 i really feel that these comments he made really are not that outragous, this phone when compared to other phones is expensive (for the right reasons ofcourse) while also compromising on what you are getting. I personally am willing to pay twice (price and product) for the cause but that does not invalidate the concerns he brings up.

[@Fairphone]

Fair points all around - especially on the Fairphone 4 comparison. Miquel brought that up, because Linus reviewed that one quite favourably, while criticising the same things this time around. But you're right of course - we designed the Fairphone 5 to be an alternative for everyone who's looking for a phone right now, not (just) to top the best we could do in 2021. And while we don't agree with some of his points and find the overall take a bit one-sided, we don't mean to invalidate any of his concerns!

[@lockevalentine997]

​@@Fairphone "Fair points all around - especially on the Fairphone 4 comparison. Miquel brought that up, because Linus reviewed that one quite favourably, while criticising the same things this time around." Sure but you also raised the price and are competing in an even more developed market, phones have gotten more repairable as a whole so just having the best repairability isn't enough anymore.

[@ninjanicholas2459]

When you start shipping to the US, I will be the first one to buy your phones.

[@SteveBundalston-nq1us]

@FairPhone do you guys make a budget phone? Please consider this going forward. I understand the amazing work you do but I struggle to buy one due to the cost

[@Fairphone]

looking into it :)

[@RoyNBarlow]

There was one part of this response by Fairphone which offended me quite a bit. The way Miquel responded to the problem with having to power the phone off for the SD card. It really made it feel like Fairphone will never consider the cases of some users. That one was pretty critical. I wish he had the same reaction to that as he did to the weak vibrator motor and loud notification sound. Those three, are really driving me away from buying the phone, which I want to do despite it not being available to me in the US.

[@uponpaul]

I think, the phone/company on its own targets a niche part of the phone sector. If you then also need to include many specific things you will probably choose a smaller audience over a bigger one. It will cost something, maybe in space/battery or something else. So I get it completely. Also I think people using sd cards in general is decreasing a lot since default storage has gone up a lot.

[@franciscop.4727]

Remember when Apple took away the audio connector? And refused to used USB or USB C.... Yea companies do 0:01 that, all the time.

[@xicofir3737]

@@uponpaulThe SD Card slot is amazing for copying files between PC and Phone due to how painfully slow transfers via USB from Phones are. I thought this was a problem from my phone which despite having USB3 connection would transfer at speeds bellow the USB2.0 spec. Recently I tried a Samsung S22 Ultra and a Pixel 8 and both have the exact same problem. On my phone I just need to take the SD Card out putting it on my PC or adapter and I can transfer files up to 90MB/s on my current SD card. I don't even need a SIM Tool or to turn off my phone to do so.

[@nextInsiders]

This SD card and SIM card placement behind the battery seem like an homage to old-school phones of the past. I don't think this cost-saving measure is something that should be resurrected. micoSD card swapping is needed if you take photos or videos with DSLR and then want to push them to Instagram or TikTok for example. SIM card swapping is a thing for many when traveling. Hoping seeing real-world use cases, helps Fairphone be fairer.

[@mattihaapoja8203]

Im offended by your reaction. How did you even survive before smartphones were invented?

[@Aahkasshh]

17:39 Please launch this device in India 🇮🇳 or do shipments here. I am trying to get my hands on this device for quite sometime.

[@mikehotel5145]

I moved from a Galaxy S20 to the fairphone5 and i am very happy with the performance. That we pay more for fair work conditions etc. Makes only sence. Instead of blaming fairphone for a relatively expensive phone, in my opinion the blame is to big brands for a relatively cheep phone. Thank you Fairphone for giving this great alternative choise and keep up the good work.

[@BoomBoomBrucey]

I will be getting a Fairphone 5 for my mum whenever I can afford to do so. I love the cause of the company and she's not really a modern phone user anyway, but I'll finally be able to send her photos.

[@ieditedmyname289]

Get your mum an iPhone 14 and a heavy duty case. Infinitely beer for her.

[@BoomBoomBrucey]

@@ieditedmyname289 She would hate iPhone, gesture based OS wouldn't be for her. She needs 3 button navigation that android has

[@namolbaltoaca4808]

He literaly said he wants to support the cause and does not have a lot of money but he will still look forward to buy one for the mother, and you come here with even more expensive un-fair monopolistic garbage company device? Ignorance this days really has no borders.

[@Meurth]

@@ieditedmyname289 damn you got destroyed lol

[@paul_ko]

@@ieditedmyname289 lmao why would you buy an iphone

[@tareqalbeesh9788]

you can't get mad at linus for being realistic instead of living in utopia. with that being said I gotta respect the efforts toward building something with a healthy vision.

[@chrisbaylis4733]

If my current phone breaks, i know what my next phone would be.

[@JairRiveraFotografo]

This was a bad PR flex. Most of LTT´s concerns are fair and very important for potential buyers, seeing the product manager dismiss most of them, makes me not wanting to go with them.

[@Asschen-Sukar]

I generally find LTT make decent content. Having used the FP5 since november, and consciously choosing it for its sustainability aspects, I found Linus' review severely lacking. So, I went to their forum, to explain this. Linus did not react well to the (valid) criticisms I found there. From Fairphone, at least, I can understand that they feel their product was misrepresented, and they show a bit of their annoyance. And I'm a patient person, I'll wait for those improvements. It's not like they're Google or anything.

[@AleynaBatur-q7x]

To be “fair”… he is asking to customers how many times do you change sd card and i want to ask; how many times do you replace a camera?

[@alexander1055]

I'd be willing to replace my camera for a better one around every 2 years.

[@JessicaFEREM]

If you ride a bike or motorcycle you might have to replace it often. The vibrations from using those is enough to kill camera stabilizers in phones.

[@Azarilh]

The point isn't that you don't replace the SD card at all, but rather that it's not something you do on a daily basis...

[@AshleyChevisYT]

A lot of Linus's points are very fair and make a lot of sense but a couple of them are honestly a bit niche or only apply to a certain user. Me personally the upgradability is nice but not overly necessary I consider myself fairly tech savvy and could probably replace my battery, However the general customer will not do this and will have to take it to a shop to be replaced. So yes its a great feature there's no denying that but Linus's point still holds merit. Another thing I would like to see is being able to swap around the back button, I know it seems very small so its fair enough that you brushed over it very quickly but this is honestly a bigger thing than it seems. First of all it affects how easy the swap from say a Samsung phone is, before my pixel I used a Samsung note 9 for a few years and had the back button on the right so when I switched to pixel and had to adjust to the gestures it felt terrible for a few weeks. While this doesn't seem like a deal-braker at first it really damages your first impression of a device and the first impression is a lasting one. I'm gonna add a couple of my opinions here hoping your company sees this as I really believe in what you are creating and hope to see your company grow massively so I'm gonna list a few things you may find helpful. First of all I would like to see more customisability. In my opinion this is one of the best things about getting a new phone having the ability to make it yours and I know you can use a custom launcher to do this but as you mentioned at some point in the video it would be great to have your own, having good base software is an essential thing to get people hooked on your phone take a look at Samsung and apple for example, both companies focus heavily on how it feels to use their devices every little part of their software is tailored to make the experience better and that can make all the difference when looking for a new device. It isn't a dealbreaker for me personally as I like to use the Microsoft launcher nowadays but a lot of people wont know how to get a custom launcher and some may not want the hassle so a good base launcher is a critical feature. Another thing that was glossed over is the battery life. Having not used the phone its hard to comment on this but from the looks of things it falls behind the pixel by a significant amount, to be fair you are right its a very edge case scenario watching KZbin for that long however it should be said that that was at 480p at a higher resolution and brightness the drain is faster. This may not affect all users but having great battery life is a necessity nowadays and having it look weak compared to the pixel which isn't exactly a battery king in itself is a bad look granted I haven't used the phone and it may be better optimised in more day to day tasks so not a dealbreaker for me. Also a few quick recommendations that I know a lot of people want in a smartphone. A headphone jack, while it may not be a headline feature it really does drive people to get your phone I stayed on my note 9 for so long because I didn't have Bluetooth headphones and didn't want to upgrade, all sorted now got a pair of xm4s but a lot of people who enjoy high quality audio or just don't wanna pay for Bluetooth headphones would heavily appreciate this feature. The sim card being behind the battery is no problem, however the sim card being there could be. Now for most people this doesn't matter and honestly I'm glad there's one at all but quite a lot of people mainly photographers slot in and out their sim card from their camera to the phone either to back stuff up to the cloud or even just the phone. Its a very edge case scenario but for how easy it would be to move it to the outside of the phone it's probably worth a look. Wireless charging while yes its inefficient in its current state and not developed enough yet I think its nice to have the option, I'm pretty sure (not 100 percent though) that you can integrate wireless charging into the back of the removable case so that the phones battery could still be easily replaced while also supporting wireless charging, I'm pretty sure Samsung used to do this ignore me if I'm wrong. Camera is fine by the looks of it so I wont mention that water proofing would be nice but isn't 100 percent needed and if the flickering is fixed in software the next Fairphone might be my next upgrade ill probably skip the 5 since I have a fairly new pixel 7 so don't need an upgrade for a couple years but this company seems very promising and I understand you are a fairly small company and I've asked a-lot here but some of these would be so easy to implement or add that I feel they could be done without too much work for the company and the bigger ideas can be saved for down the line if all goes well. One last point and I don't mean to sound rude at all as I enjoyed the video and like the company but as a CEO I feel you need to come across less defensive and almost sassy. Unfortunately embracing flaws is a part of representing a company and saying that things can be fixed in software does not mean they are fixed now its better to apologise and explain how these things are being worked on or how you plan to begin work on them than to make a snarky comment. For example the back button thing while you may not get why its a big thing for users you still need to understand that while the big things are important these little things are what the user actually experiences when using the phone making the user experience easier or better in any way is in all cases a good thing. If you see this I want to make sure you know this comment is not to degrade your company in any way in fact I've only bothered writing this much because I really do want you to succeed with these phones and want to make sure you don't forget the little things are what make a phone great instead of good.

[@MichaelNischik]

I would love to see a follow up on the "Linus-List". As a proud owner of a FP5 myself I must admit that i experienced some software hickups especially with video playback and (I guess) battery saving routines. I associated those issues with all the crap I loaded mindlessly on the new one from my old samsung via the google one click thingy. Last update how ever cleaned it up. sometimes it looks a bit funky but it catches itself after a visit to the homescreen. Please cut my fellow nerds some slack when it comes to "regular use". First thing I tried, was hooking that thing up to a 4k touch screen and see if the hidden desktop mode in android works. And to your credit it did. at 60Hz even. Still though, I doubt that it matters for the average user. I understand your message about the necessity of your design choises and compromises. Rather then reframing Linus critique as pointless I would like to here more detailed reasons on the intricacies said design decisions. Nerds want information. We already know we are the wierd one. However I understand wholeheartedly that getting picked appart does not feel like the efford you undoubtedly undertook especially for the FP5 was validated. But please consider this. You rely on people who are willing to make a consious purchasing decision when it comes to ordering a new mobile phone. Please be understanding to the tech-folk that is often entrusted with a multidute of such decisions but also somewhat cursed with a slight social inapticy. I for instance was ask to order phones for my extended family for a long time so that every generation from the FP3 on is in use. Basically, I think we all want the same thing here. Using a cool phone while keeping the planet we can use it on.

[@ravendon]

Linus. This phone is REPAIRABLE……….. it will be thicker, and have bigger bezels.

[@TheLisaAlexandra]

I love my fairphone 3+, I like heavier phones with a metal feel, and sturdy as well since I work in automation. The fairphone company makes me excited to see what they will do next. Edit : Yes fairphone developing their launcher would be cool.

[@TheDoooden]

Whats missing for me is the headphone jack. I personally don't like using bluetooth headphones, also because they are not that great quality-wise. And I also don't like adapters, but I understand the need to remove unnecessary openings to the phone. Nonetheless I would love a headphone jack for use with my quality headphones/headsets(with microphone attached).

[@pcklubas]

I DO change my microsd card pretty often

[@rpungello]

Why? Not trying to be snarky or anything, I’m genuinely curious. With 1TB microSD cards available, I just can’t see a use case where somebody needs to switch cards on a regular basis

[@mitchib1440]

​@@rpungelloI also would love to be able to change the card. I don't use a streaming service, I use MP3s (no subscription needed) and being able to transfer those, as well as videos I recorded on my phone to my PC without needing my phone to be completely tethered would be a game changer. Not too mention people who take lots of pictures for work being able to privately offload them as easy as it would be on a digital camera. Source: my mum does this for her job. Expandable storage is important to her.

[@kernelle4]

​@@rpungelloFastest data transfer until date? You can't really transfer files faster or more efficiently. Working with large amounts it gets proportionally easier if you transfer the data holder itself

[@GsrItalia]

You do change because you're switching among few of them (different content) or you're replacing a defective one?

[@izanefe4231]

@@rpungello if you shoot video with your phone and edit it on your PC (which isn't unreasonable given the recording quality on high end modern phones) being able to offload video quickly can be an advantage, and a reason to swap out SDs

[@johntreeman8468]

I really like the fairphone ideas behind the product. My next phone that I‘ll buy will be a fairphone.

[@hobbycollectionvlog]

After seeing the Video about the "struggles" to produce a perfect, fair and repairable phone I have a big "heart" for Fairphone! The made a very good job, really like the concept, so happy to have a product on the market like this! I bought two Fairphones 5, for me and my dad, bouth our old phones are over 6 years old now, and not working very good anymore, very exciting to get the Fairphone 5 in some days!

[@CJ-wp1fy]

Thank you, Fairphone, for this amazing product. Please give us the option of choosing a more compact Fairphone with a smaller screen size.

[@johntiltovich]

Dear Fairphone, I'm a proud owner of Fairphone 5, but the photo quality is subpar. Do you plan any software fixes to improve the quality of pictures?

[@w_tapper]

i doubt they will, fairphone isnt really known for cameras

[@Hotlog69]

"Are you a professional photographer? No, of course not! It's improved(slightly) from the Fairphone 4." -Guy from this video

[@johntiltovich]

​@@Hotlog69 you might be right, but when I say "subpar" I refer to the camera performance of smartphones released a decade ago. In low-light environment it performs horrendously.

[@thunderstar254]

​@@johntiltovich Bro... They do not care 😂😂

[@HendrilMuinarczyki]

While they don't fix it, try using a third-party camera software, although they might not work since the SoC is unordinary. I recommend GCam (which is the Pixel camera software ported for other android devices, depending on the SoC). If the sensors are big enough, a good software should make the low light photos better and much more. Also, since he said the SoC is basically a Snapdragon 778G or something like that, if you try using GCam, test it with a version ported for it.

[@ihoryatsenko3736]

This is great that company representatives make this video and give feedback and it’s not just a Head of Marketing

[@Robert-zh4qx]

@Miquel, It was your attitude and demeanor in this video that solidified my choice to buy a Murena FP5. Thank you, I received it today and it exceeded my expectations! With people like you stating honest facts, I am happy to support Fairphone. I just used Google instead of FreeTube to be able to post this comment. Have a good day Sir! (You made me laugh a few times with this video).

[@mzs112000]

I'd like to see the FairPhone 5 come to the US

[@thndr_5468]

Seeing a company reacting to criticism is always a good sign to me. Apple or Samsung would never make a video like this.

[@ChrisBigBad]

There was some part of the Linus video missing. That was strange. Overall. Yeah. The comments under Linus video basically said the same thing. I like my Fairphone 5 very much and my wife likes her Fairphone 4 very much.

[@Fairphone]

we left out the parts, where Miquel repeated himself or didn't have much to add - tried to get to the biggest points a bit quicker. Let us know if you have specific questions - we could dig through the rough cut and find some answers for you :)

[@MrTheJeoff]

@@Fairphone I think it's a bit weird as generally in today's age a "reaction" is someone watching and posting an unedited video of them watching and genuinely reacting to what they are seeing. This being edited is now a response video, not a reaction video. It plays and feels like a response video and unfortunately it's the kind of response video where we generally get a "sorry guys" video a week or so later.

[@sanchitvarma1282]

Full points to Fairphone for transparently giving an option of DC Dimming for all the PWM sensitive people.

[@TheWWWyrm]

This reaction comes of as way to defensive and nervous. While I feel Linus was rough, many points were fair. Especially on the battery life. Obviusly no one will be watching youtube for 10 hours, it's just used as a rought estimate of how different the two are in terms of battery life.

[@davetech1269]

I was heavily considering HTC (who magically came back from the dead) as they have made some rock solid handsets before but its hard to beat to beat the extended the extended updates, values and repairability! That said is the extended warranty and extended updates applicable to the U.S. import version with /e/ OS? :)

[@D2Dev]

If you're a Fairphone fan, you probably love this video. But if you don't already love Fairphone, this video is not converting you to be a customer. Very defensive, didn't really take feedback well. There are upsides to the Fairphone, but you can't just gloss over/deflect all criticism.

[@izanefe4231]

exactly, I'm not for or against fairphone, but not actually explaining the justification for their decisions is really turning me away. I know there are some sacrifices that must be made in such a repairable phone, but some others just seem excessive (like the lack of wireless charging because "they want more efficient charging", essentially just removing an option from the user)

[@vennemans9113]

​@@izanefe4231 customers choice, you cant have everything you get from an 1400 Euro Unfair phone on a 700 Euro Fairphone. A brand can expect a certain level of intelligence from their customer base. If not, then this group is not their customer base. Simple.

[@izanefe4231]

@@vennemans9113 a tip for you as well, gatekeeping doesn't help the brand you're supporting

[@Shumayal]

​@@vennemans9113 nobody is talking about €1400 Unfair phone. Unfortunately fairphone looks like its worse than €400 phones... used. (also helps the environment). I just wish they had a headphone jack and I would buy it in a heartbeat

[@herc34es]

Completely agree. Poor reception of criticism and not actually addressing the issues or having a proper "dialogue"/explanation.

[@FrankKlado]

Wished for more details on the design choices, some things are still very crappy: no notification light and the software has a lot of bugs like randome newstart animations, fullscreen lock or slow reponse in certain situation. Not to mention the shity searchbar you cant remove from the Startscreen. Besides that its ok, the form and size is a trade off for repairability.

[@kakke_no]

I love how sassy this guy is

[@patricafalcone9524]

I am always missing calls because the phone is not loud enough--I'm sold!

[@Motyy]

I love the Fairphone 5! Cant for that Linus List coming soon :) Btw I am a gamer so I took that personal xd 6:21

[@sharedhomebase3416]

Is it possible to use the fairphone without the camera and if so could fairphone please make a backside without the big camera holes? That would be awesome, saves more energy, the phone weight would be less too. Camera is something I use more separately and don't really need this in a phone.

[@paprisake_07]

I really love the fact that Fairphone reacts and takes note of people's review big tech never do that so cool! 💯👌

[@233kosta]

My favourite "feature" (if you will) is native support from the e OS folks. It accidentally works a treat on my current phone and I'm not getting a new phone without support for that.

[@etzbetz]

I'm also feeling that Linus is quite subjective here and overdoing some minor points. I'll probably try Fairphone at some point in the future, just not right now :) Keep the spirit going, I'm liking it very much 👍

[@RC-1290]

8:18 I mean... it's a benchmark. It's a way to test battery longevity in a standardized way. What I WANT is not to even have to think about my battery, even if I have to pull an all-nighter because of some unpleasant event. Even if the battery is starting to get a little bit older.

[@plukerpluck]

Using KZbin likely throws bias towards Google though, because they'll focus extra hard on that integration. But equally, KZbin is super important for people...

[@happyhamsters6459]

Personally I love bezels, as they allow me to hold my phone without touching the screen

[@oliverde8]

I am looking for a new phone, and have been looking at reviews. Wireless charging has advantages even if not the most power-efficient solution, I mostly would like to use it in my car that has an inbuilt wireless charger. The USB-c cable has quite a few drawbacks as well. The port tends to clog up, and inserting the cable reliable becomes an issue. Ofc with the fairphone you can change the port, but with wireless charging you just drop your phone and it simply charges. For being able to switch the sim card, I used to travel quite a bit and back then had sim cards for a few different countries and often needed to change my sim card. But the fact that most phone requires a gizmo to pop out the simcard vs Fairphone requiring the power off the device i am not sure what I prefer. I think there is room for improvement. If not I kind of agree with the rest of the comments about the video being to defensive, I had hoped more constructive video on how the fairphone could be improved. It's an expensive phone, and I do understand that it costs more because of how materials are sourced but the way that was conveyed (or rather not conveyed) in this video is quite a shame. A 700€ phone shouldn't be just for what's app & emails, I can buy second hand phones for that at much much cheaper price and it would be even more "fair". I would like to point out that I use a cheap 6-year-old "honor 2" or something like that. The reason I am looking for a new phone is mostly due to all the stupid apps (coughs Microsoft teams) that are not optimised it simply can't keep up. The battery life is at an all-time low (the original battery lasted 4 years, this one is failing after a year or so). 700€ is a lot for a phone I find that has mediocre battery life and mediocre performance. I really wanted to like the phone.

[@utubepunk]

Solid analysis & feedback.

[@alexk1480]

while it is true that the fairphone cannot be directly compared to a lot of other smartphones because of the added complexity of the fairness, repairability and longevity, a lot of linus' critisizms were pretty valid and were disregarded, while non-critisizms from linus were met with defensive answers. the choice of soc on the fairphone IS unorthodox, for the smartphone industry, and it wasnt portrayed as something negative. the reasoning to use the soc were explained by linus too and not in a negative way. but i still appreciate that some of the issues adressed are things youre working on or will be noted

[@gunnaryoung]

Isn't it already recommended that you fully power down your phone before switching the SIM card?

[@MrMozkoZrout]

I mean yeah it can be said that many of the things Linus criticised were nitpicky or maybe not an important issue at Fairphone but idk the way it was addressed in this video wasn't the best imo. A lot of the criticism was simply dismissed even tho it was showing that other phones were performing way better. I mean yeah maybe you shouldn't be looking at youtube for 10 hours and yeah maybe this was a very specific use case test but i mean it still shows something about the phone and it performed poorly. No point in denying that.

[@SoloLegends]

I love the idea of the fair phone. I've heard from various places they can be a bit more jank than some other larger manufacturers, or have less OS customization. For as much as I rely on my phone for many day-to-day tasks having it be rock solid, and customizable to optimize my time so I use it as little as possible is pretty important. I would likely have tried the fairphone 5 if It were out when I picked up my last phone (generally once every 4 years or so) I'm really hoping I can see an awesome product with strong customization in the OS and a real smooth operation when it comes to getting my next phone in a few years time. I love what you guys are doing here please keep up the awesome work you're doing to legitimately make this aspect of the world better.

[@shutterassault1]

Is there a fairphone 5 in the US that has android on it to buy??

[@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI]

Nope

[@niklav]

I mean if you are trying to contribute a cause, the fairphone is always good in that regard. Once you begin considering what the competition is doing, it becomes much harder to consider.

[@TheTallPalm]

Hope you guys break into the us market by the time my pixel 8 stops receiving security updates! I'll be looking for you guys in ~2030 < be there or be square

[@matias_moilanen]

When you have to defend your product like you do, it really seems like you don't even trust it yourself. I don't agree with Linus either, but he has good points. Bugs that "can be fixed in future updates" are still bugs. They are not guaranteed to be fixed. That must affect the decision whether to buy the phone or not.

[@OnlyAnOpinion20]

This guy doesn't seem to take constructive criticism very well, compare this guy to the CEO of the Nothig phone, they treat opinions very differently, it's not a great look in my opinion.

[@namolbaltoaca4808]

He actually took the few constructive criticism seriously, the bullshit (that was mostly Linus review) was not taken seriously, and for a good reason. In your opinion ir you are used to seeing a house size notch, because you are using apple iphone, then any device should have that? If you can't get used to simple gestures or button allience, then do not buy the device, but do not make your problem, to be others problem. I have no problem with stock android ways of navigation, and i find no reason as of why fariphone should take Linus claim seriously.

[@pablograciasanchez1251]

Jesucristo le ama muchísimo, arrepiéntete de tus pecados y ten perdón de pecados en Su Nombre

[@fernandogigena9332]

I love the idea of ​​Fairphone, a modular phone. I hope all companies follow their steps. I would like their product to reach Argentina, where I live, but I also appreciate that Linus Tech made that video, so you can see that they have things to improve. Ty

[@TechInspected]

Claiming that replacing a battery on a non-user replaceable Samsung that is from the risky second hand market is fine is basically saying: just never put removable battery on anything, cause apparently Linus said its easy. Cars? Weld that battery in place, its EASY TO UNWELD ANYWAY.