The WORST iMac to buy

[@devindykstra]

It's been a while since I've heard Linus compliment a webcam

[@nite9218]

yea

[@maxpoweroverdrive]

When was the last time?

[@jimitSoni]

It was so bad before, anything could be betterr

[@nite9218]

@@maxpoweroverdrive can't remember, 2019?

[@nite9218]

@@jimitSoni yup

[@jimitSoni]

" Costs an ARM and a leg" Never been so accurate

[@doxydoxdelamanca9902]

Intel Xeon powered iMac: hold my pins.

[@fred-youtube]

The Raspberry Pi has an ARM but it doesnt cost an ARM and a leg

[@isaacbenson1631]

TheLightSilent apparently the arm iMacs are going to be quite powerful it’s not your average arm cpu like that in a raspberry pi it’s a completely different format the developer kit using the cpu from the iPad Pro is supposedly more powerful then most current intel macs

[@blaynestaleypro]

@@thelightsilent you think Apple is going to use what they've been using? They're going to create the world's first desktop class ARM processor. First yet again. And to be as powerful as an x86 you need basically half the clock speed more or less. x86 are inefficient trash that should have been thrown out to the curb years ago.

[@Sup_D]

@@fred-youtube Raspberry Pi and Apple are two different Companies. You can't compare there business policies. So, its sure that Apple's ARM based system would cost more than what an Intel based system would have costed.

[@gentoouser4361]

My school: "I'll take your entire stock"

[@rubiconnn]

School: Cuts funding for every activity except sports, cuts teacher salaries, serves shitty cheap Aramark food. Also schoo: Buys a ton of new overpriced iMacs.

[@realazee]

Rubiconnn schools purchase iMacs at a HUGE discount, usually around ~400-600 per machine

[@DeeSnow97]

@@realazee that still prices it higher than a reasonable PC at equivalent specs (but on a mainstream CPU instead of a Xeon for no reason), plus non-apple PCs tend to not expire in two years

[@aronseptianto8142]

i seriously question the working of the school executive what will they get buying overpriced computer? they're schools, what do you expect your student to do on school PC is this a marketing point for them? that their school is too snobbish to buy entry level PC with an SSD and an APU in it? and just for the americans out there, why do y'all seems to have a problem with wages, y'all sounded like a third world country runned by oligarch at this point

[@gam3rmom3nt3]

@@aronseptianto8142 the only point would be cad

[@henrywaters]

“Dead on arrival, just like I think of our sponsor, Ridge wallet.”

[@ramathiam6592]

Lmao

[@benfoley6472]

thats what i thought too lmfao

[@nics129]

I scrolled down to the comment as soon as I heard that haha

[@pspcow]

A cheap generic leather wallet is better than a metal clip

[@Pro-RTen]

Well, at least we won't see anymore of those commercials on LTT.

[@ABRTPDR]

"The experience of buying a brand new machine that's dead on arrival. And I think that's really special. Just like I think our sponsor, Ridge, is special!" Yeah Linus, I don't think Ridge is going to be too happy about that segue... 😅

[@maxpoweroverdrive]

Ya, I don't like Ridge wallets!

[@iyousef46]

It's technically the truth 😂

[@mynxeram]

$110 for a wallet is as special as apples pricing model

[@Mart-E12]

Can wallets be dead

[@maxpoweroverdrive]

@idot 2 I'm not saying the price is to high, but the experience and "wellbeing of the cards" after using it for 2years, taught me, my old leather wallet is much better, cheaper.

[@GavinAnderegg]

I guess I get where Linus is going here... but basically his theme is: upgrade to the new platform immediately, or you'll be left behind. My issue with this is that there's a lot of software that isn't going to be ARM native for a while. Getting an x86 machine now means compatibility with *existing* software for a while. This is important for some folks. I bought a PowerMac G5 at the beginning of the Intel transition, and I was happy with it for 5 years. I think it'll be similar this time around as well.

[@DerDudelino]

Yeah just look at Microsoft. They failed to run ARM Windows for years. I am sure Apples own apps will run beautifully but Adobe and the others will have a tough time adapting. Plus: No more Bootcamp Windows on iMac.

[@LyricsFred]

The world is very very different now, like linus said, the new mac's will be able to run ipad and iphone apps, for developers that means that they only have to make one app that will run in 3 different OS's what's the incentive to keep x86 apps for too long.

[@DerDudelino]

@@LyricsFred They are just iOS apps, so dumbed down versions. Photoshop for iOS is far away from the professional product.

[@jwillis35]

The new iMac is a seriously good machine and is a good buy for those who want one. It will be supported for at least 3 to 4 years, and who cares if you use it longer. If it works, it works.

[@cme2cau]

Exactly this. I rely on Parallels to run windows apps that are critical for my business. My 2010 iMac had had its day. I think Parallels will make Windows work on ARM, but this will most likely involve x86 emulation, and custom software can be picky. Rather that take the risk, I bought a new 21.5 inch iMac. It should run well enough long enough for all the dust to settle..

[@ryana391]

I like how his hairstyle randomly changed once the intro ended lol

[@seshieman2579]

lmao i just noticed

[@extraemontamontes3618]

looks fresh

[@epicurioh]

His changed haircut made me think of Dwight from The Office, and I don't really watch that show.

[@ramathiam6592]

Can't like 69 likes

[@jeremiahlyleseditor437]

Apple products have that effect on some people sometimes.

[@3Black.1Red]

Old video title: "The best iMac yet is the worst Mac to buy " Seems fine to me. why the change?

[@oldman0]

they always change the title

[@oorjitmishra8521]

They create good video titles for subscribers then change them to clickbait for YT trending and stuff.

[@xirma377]

@@oorjitmishra8521 Interesting.

[@jlu]

Ikr seems like passive gaslighting

[@glasscube]

@@jlu Don't blame the players blame the game, this is the kind of stuff you have to do to beat the google algos

[@DiamondPugs]

"Finally the webcam and microphone have been upraged!" How bad was it to call this an upgrade?!

[@robertp457]

Especially on a premium priced product.

[@ridwan9610]

@@robertp457 yeah, we can buy a custom equivalant pc and also get a dslr for webcam with the same price

[@TheRealBOBlibob]

It was really bad. You can see a huge difference in the comparison Jonathan Morrison made on his channel

[@svpracer98]

720p...

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Yeah it still looked, and certainly sounded, shit.

[@adili9427]

Whenever you show a webcam's prowess, show an alternative so we can see a comparison. We're just looking at it straight after your 8K Reds.

[@aditjindal]

"Costs an ARM and leg." LMAO

[@CricketEngland]

Yea well Apple have been ripping off its customers since the late 70’s 😀😅

[@usptact]

Upgrading from iMac 27” 2017 to 2020 iMac 27” was a great speed up in code builds and running all those hefty Docker containers.

[@thanatosor]

And to M2 ?

[@Abel_Brites]

Linus: rat nest hair and socks with sandals Every girl's dream: . . .

[@theshadowman1398]

His bank account is every girl’s dream.

[@NetMan_PL]

me meanwhile: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpLcp4qgZ9Wcgck

[@wilduu]

@Johnnys Tech Tips you're lying that's a legit link. everyone should click on it.

[@ThirstysURL]

He isn't allowed anything anyway His wife would scowl at him forever and make his life not worth living. The best part about being a man is freedom.

[@anarchyantz1564]

You forgot to mention bulging wallet with a net worth so far about 25 Million Canadian shekels and about 3.8 million a year just from YT advertising. Its enough to make anyone, male or female wet......

[@Revolve-Studios]

That bezel tho.. straight outta 2010

[@MHWGamer]

even in 2014 or so I thought that the bezels are just too ugly and big. As apple (and their users) always say that they care for the look, I have never got why people buy the imac

[@ThinkCleverAndSmart]

Actually even 2009 lol. Let's see what the ARM iMac will look like

[@squeakers27]

I agree with you on that, it's ashame they are still using the old design but didn't make the bezels smaller as they look quite thick.

[@chudthug]

My fucking school chromebook has smaller bezels

[@ThinkCleverAndSmart]

@@chudthug A lot of CRT TVs have thinner bezels lol

[@septic_eye_revolution7603]

iMac 27' with the Retina 5K-display is truly the great workstation for the professional Python/Swift/Java developers or even for editing the 4K or the 8K-resolution videos, the Photoshop, The 3D Graphics, the VR experience and all the other apps! Thanks for the great video, Linus! Apple will give a great example to the other Tech companies if they actually decide to support their Intel-based Macs for year to come just like the announced M1-processor computers on the Special Event!

[@KeeperOfKale222]

LTT: “The worst Mac to buy” Me: *Cries in 2010 iMac*

[@Prodzick]

Your patience will be rewarded.

[@BenchClips]

Me cries with “broken” pc with only i3 7100 no gpu

[@BenchClips]

Which I bought for £600 2-3 years ago

[@PackardKotch]

2010 macbook white over here

[@Ravenousjoe]

You got 10 years out of it, clearly a pretty god little machine. I just sold a 2008 MBP with just a ram and ssd upgrade, and using it (never owned a Mac before) was actually kinda nice. I liked the little system, but I have no need for a dual core laptop in my home, so it found itself an apple fan to take care of it.

[@lebaguette7392]

Linus goes silent for a second Everyone: he's going to talk about the sponsor and isn't he Linus: BUY THE RIDGE WALLET

[@cornfarmer8600]

sory for bad engrish

[@tertrih9078]

If he pauses, you know a sponsor is coming :D

[@lebaguette7392]

@@tertrih9078 true

[@doctorpanigrahi9975]

My Ad blocker blockes both KZbin and in Video sponser Ads 😎

[@krzysztofdomaradzki2067]

@@doctorpanigrahi9975 what Adblock are you using? I need to test it lol

[@xHadesStamps]

"How much better does this look and sound?" Uh...You were using a professional camera and microphone preceding and succeeding that clip, so...a lot worse.

[@utubekullanicisi]

Lol yeah. But the webcam upgrade is still pretty decent. It has an improved 1080p webcam over the last 720p one and it uses Apple’s image processing for the front camera for the iPhone 7.

[@Afterlifesinner]

4:19, the arrows make no sense. it should be [Apple Silicon -/-> Intel CPU] when the prior statement [Intel App --> Apple Silicon] is true.

[@danb3785]

Rosetta 2 allows you to run an Intel binary on Apple Silicon through instruction translation. It doesn’t work the other way, but also it doesn’t need to as it’s just there to support legacy binaries.

[@dish9849]

@@lightningcat6382 is apple cpu can read intel apps but Intel CPU can't read apple apps

[@danb3785]

Lightning Cat I see what you mean. I was confused because the OP left out “App”. The banned arrow is pointing the wrong way.

[@rayyanshaikh5591]

Linus: "webcam is FINALLY good!" Webcam: *4 fps*

[@keco185]

It's a 30 fps webcam

[@Wahinies]

I hate to see what his idea of a bad webcam is

[@blacbraun]

@@Wahinies 480p on the old 12 inch Macbook is a good example of bad webcam for sure.

[@jpxyUA]

funny how we can deepfake faceswap and it looks more real than a 30fps webcam footage on a 2020 device

[@xx-----------xx873]

It’s just that we are looking from RED 8k downsampled to a 1080p camera.

[@stalman]

I can see you guys have been stepping up the lighting and camera work lately, looks great! If your DP sees this comment I'd love to know which diffusion you're using there 😅

[@harizone]

Eyy, didn't expect you to see here! 😁

[@Ben.N]

Double penetration?!

[@stalman]

@@Ben.N expand your horizons

[@stalman]

@@harizone 👋🏼

[@legendaryblaze817]

@@Ben.N Exactly.

[@enzdude]

Love it or hate it, the fact that the iMac kept the same general design for 13 years is pretty impressive.

[@BrokenHeart000]

*“Costs an ARM and a leg”* is the Intro Title of this video.

[@aadisahni]

Oh wow, you can see. Damn, I can't see anything

[@xx-----------xx873]

Nope, I reckon it would be better than the current intel offerings. They have complete and utter control over it, with no ME to worry about.

[@fishesvideo]

Now that it's almost mid 2023, the 2020 27" iMac i9 10 core with 5700XT I have performs extraordinary well with Venture! I run (2) 27" 4K monitors with it, video production. Graphics and Office apps simultaneously with ease. Lots of Audio producers still bitching about their M2 Studios not behaving well. Many still using and seeking intel based Apples. The Apple Silicon isn't going as smoothly as they claimed it would 2 years ago. Im sure the new M3 will be a vast improvement. But for Production work, it will be at a great cost for an iMac Pro M3 Max with a 30" 5K display - it will be!

[@digitalmarketinghumans]

Yep! I have both M1 Pro (and returned M1 Max) and kept the Intel 2020 5700xt i7 iMac. I thought it would be a huge upgrade from 2020 Intel to M1 Max but not really. Even video rendering, the Intel beat it out. Mind you I have i7 5700xt 64gb ram vs M1 Max base. Maybe an M1 Ultra can compete but I know M2 Max can definitely compete, or M3 or whenever the future is. Although does get hot a lot, Point still being Intel 2020 iMac is a BEAST! I personally don't mind the fan, lol.

[@navneethramesh7422]

2:40 Wait Di-Di Did Linus just compliment a we- we- webcam. "Woah that's something I did not see coming in the video"

[@wantse-rita25y.oopenmycana50]

👜🍓

[@antan2329]

I have like a 6 year old one. Playing games is a nightmare. Just waiting to see if they do ROG rig reboot this year

[@luigi6835]

Most likely no, covid is the problem

[@realhuman7911]

I have a good video idea for the reboot

[@tommegg8486]

@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS better yet Linux, it's super competitive nowadays.

[@himher9073]

A thought worth considering is to use a card board, yes cardboard mod to solve the heating issues. Back in the old old old days of the 512k Mac / Mac Plus a genuine genius came up with a cardboard top hat that effectively quadrupled airflow, and thus cooling absolutely silently. And yes it looked just like a top hat chimney. Add in some exterior mounted heat sinks within the airflow envelope and the problem may end up becoming too much cooling.

[@La8ghost]

0:00 So Apple sponsored Linus to tell his viewers to buy Macs 0:36 Oh wait nevermind.

[@joejoe324]

"You will get about 2 years of enjoyable experience give or take a year" So one year.

[@TheLongIslanderYT]

1 - 3 years

[@jimitSoni]

6 months Take it or leave it

[@dawfurby]

Not true, more like 6-7. It’s for as long as Apple supports the 2020 iMac.

[@ned_filip6728]

@@dawfurby its about usability, not for how long its supported

[@Samosayummyyay]

@@dawfurby Apple did only for 3 years when they switched from PowerPC to Intel. So, their track-record is concerning.

[@mikefas]

You buy because you need, not because you want. Problem isn’t that these last macs will be antiquated shortly, it’s that the suck while you wait. Crash regularly when you push them.

[@Novit_]

Nobody: Apple: *u wanna buy a monitor and a stand 1500$ each??*

[@lebryantjohnson7306]

lmao I didnt get that. Sure its free advertisement but like cmon doesn't that add to the negative expensive greedy stigma surrounding apple?

[@eclpse9314]

old meme, still funny

[@BeastMode070subscribe]

Bruh atleast watch the whole video

[@clickbaitpro]

@Gravity Yup, my 10 years old PC still works

[@godnessy]

millions of morons: pls please! can you make it more expensive while lagging behind the innovation industry by years and telling me its cutting edge???

[@johnj8639]

Finally a real review, all the apple tubers basically said to just buy it, even dave2d, which was a little of a surprise.

[@robertp457]

So many Apple enthusiasts can't see the terrible pricing.

[@Sweet-Vermouth]

I was extremely extremely disappointed when Dave dropped that nonsensical review that said it doesn't matter, just buy this now. That was such shit. I'm glad at least someone significant is highlighting the shit that apple is trying to pull with this iMac.

[@CorporateShill66]

@@Sweet-Vermouth Oh yea buy it even if you bought one last year, because a computer doesn't last more than a year these days XD

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

@@robertp457 I think it's safe to say that all Apple enthusiasts have their head in the sand to some degree. You'd think that some of them would do a little research into the devices they worship. The build quality just gets worse and worse. The thermals are horrendous. Close your eyes and click on any Louis Rossmann video and in five minutes anyone would become unreasonably angry about how poorly soldered and engineered these things are. I can't think of any type of consumer who has a real need for a mac. Having a tablet + keyboard does almost all of the same stuff that people use their computers for daily. For anyone who wants a desktop in the mid-range, spending ten minutes clicking around on pcpartpicker will save them at least two grand. Professionals who need bigass beefcake computers can get an insane amount of mileage out of a simple threadripper build and probably save ten grand. They wouldn't have to worry about this legacy software nightmare either. It's not like switching from Intel to AMD makes Windows stop working in a traditional setup. Any studio sitting on $100k+ of Apple computers must have so much poop in their pants now. Half the programs their employees use every day will no longer receive updates until they replace the whole fleet. And after they buy those new ARM Macs... well, now half the third party software that their employees rely on are completely broken until they provide an update, if those developers are even working on a port. What an expensive logistical nightmare. Anytime I see Apple products being sold I feel like I'm watching someone getting beaten and mugged in an alley.

[@exod4]

Your first mistake was watching an "apple tuber"

[@jozh7138]

I really like the level of quality linus's videos have become lately

[@keco185]

9:30 to be fair, that was during a time when there were significant year-over-year processor improvements that meant the older Macs might not have had the processing power to run the newer OS in the manner apple intended.

[@brrebrresen1367]

well... the G4 macbooks maybe, but the dual cpu desktop G5's where not that outdated just 3 years later, though they still had the same problem as when they launched... the G5 costed to much and where just to noisy. though at least did they know that the heat-sink maybe should have contact with the cpu back then, something Apple suddenly have forgotten on the last year... but when it comes to future support, forget it. Apple have never been much future proof with exception of iphone 6, but that have more been down to iOS require less and that they had to have an cheaper option for customers that could not pay put 800++£ on an phone every year. OSX 10.5, the last one supporting PPC and released in 2009 is today in fact in many cases more limited in more up to date software than Windows ME\98SE is... (example: last browser for 10.5 is from 2014 with Chrome 25 or Opera 26, Safari updates was cut in 2011 just 2 years after launch. Opera 28 was last for Windows 9x launched in 2015 and will work even on an Windows 95! PC)

[@johngaltline9933]

The issue was never being able to run new stuff on old Macs for most power PC users. It was that all your old software ceased to function in 2009. I still run a machine on 10.6 so that I can use programs that I can't otherwise use.

[@pratyushbalaji]

4:18 the arrows both show intel to arm linus.

[@ahmadhalabiah3714]

6⃣ 9⃣ OMG

[@Dornacgove]

But one is from intel CPU and other from intel compatible APPs

[@pratyushbalaji]

@@Dornacgove He said "rosetta 2 only goes one way". only intel to arm, not the other way

[@FOGoticus]

I'm glad I was not the only one. I was so confused.

[@SteveGamesOnline]

@@pratyushbalaji He said you can run an Intel application on an arm based processor, but you can't run an arm application on an intel based processor. Please read it more carefully.

[@RobloxianX]

The funny thing a out these 2020 iMacs is that they are actually the most future proof macs. We won’t get any real replacement for the 2020 iMac until 2025 when the new iMac Pro releases

[@TTim4]

I remember the whole powerPC move ... cost me about 5k in software I had to re-buy (around 10k at today's prices of that software) .... because the wonderful folks didn't let you update/upgrade & some just didn't offer one & then there were several companies that just didn't exist by then so SOL to you.

[@jyoungbr549]

My guess is that you will have to do it again when their new processors hit the market since they are dropping intel and switching to ARM architecture in the next gen macs.

[@nathantagg2691]

4:17 the visual is incorrect. It says that it can go from intel to apple silicon but not from intel to apple silicon

[@antonioballesteros5520]

That’s not what it says it says that an intel app can run on Apple silicon cpu but an intel cpu cannot run an Apple silicon app

[@nijelly12345]

Antonio Ballesteros you’re correct but it’s still really confusing especially given how little time there is to read it

[@MarcosElMalo2]

nijelly12345 I watch KZbin on TiVo so I can rewind to parts I missed and skip forward past the ads.

[@JonnyPowell]

yep just like 1+1=2 is incorrect if you read it as 1+1=5

[@lorinh2947]

@Antonio Ballesteros, That's not what is says. They pointlessly flipped the second arrow. An exact statement of what the graph represents minus the crossed out symbol: A x86 Application can run on ARM hardware A x86 hardware can run on ARM Application -- This doesn't even make sense What they wanted to say probably was: A x86 Application can run on ARM hardware A ARM Application can't run on x86 Hardware *ARM is the technology Apple Silicon is based on. x86 is what (most) intel CPUs are based on

[@nicolfilm]

Thanks Linus for the great memories of buying a G5 right before Intel in 2005. Changed to windows after and not looked back.

[@solomioist]

2:42 LTT you disappoint me. There should be some jokes on the teleprompter.

[@Mitch_tr]

All was looking forward for the new vids every day! Every one is amazing. Thank you for the tech tips I am able to build my own system

[@stillhuman4713]

Nice comment simp

[@alexanderorlins641]

Just bought the 2020 27in 10-core iMac. I'll get back to you in a couple years!

[@hareeshs86]

I've never heard Linus so tired/uninterested in a device. Might just be a rough day, but nevertheless, damn.

[@night1wind]

Exactly what I thought! Something was off the whole video!!

[@em8824]

He seemed ill.

[@UserTenNumbers]

Get well soon bud.

[@larsvegas1505]

well its a apple product.. its hard to get exited about those.. its a decent package.. but nothing new.. and then u got the price..

[@hareeshs86]

@@larsvegas1505 yeah but then he'd be visibly frustrated, not tired? That, or he's just given up Apple to make something he'd like, and we're looking at a defeated Linus 😂

[@true8325]

2:42 Well, there's the teleprompter.

[@ofecto]

6:13 funny how he pronounced chamfered “Camfered”. Typo on the tele or Linus can’t read good ?

[@tempts7270]

My school: something’s right, I can feel it

[@ampere7220]

Mine is still using Cinema Displays and old Mac Pro..

[@EpicB]

My school was still using Windows XP until 2015 or 2016. I know the art teacher had an iMac but I don't know whose money that was on. We certainly didn't hand out MacBooks too all the students though.

[@engineergaming4295]

In my school we just use shitty base model chomebooks, while the teachers use 2010 MacBook pros

[@Hidskb]

WAIT HE CHANGED THE TITLE!! It used to be: the worst iMac to buy is the best one But now it’s: the WORST iMac to buy

[@jimitSoni]

Nope. He didn't

[@jmporkbob]

it got changed back to the original title. so it changed twice lol.

[@toasty648]

jmporkbob and back again

[@berengerchristy6256]

Algorithm shenanigans. I believe in one of their explanations they use a more provocative title to get some people and then change it so something more informative for their regular viewers

[@weirdernow]

@@jmporkbob changex 3 times

[@strangedotmachine9281]

Linus, I love your take on this. The Apple press wasn’t as honest about this. This is bad investment. Wait if you need a new Mac. The picture will become clearer toward the end of the year.

[@ReedHarston]

Did you listen to his final take on this? I just bought one of these because as a Mac developer I want something I can develop on (big screen, lots of cores and RAM (that I upgraded myself)) while supporting the Intel version of my apps for as long as possible. I wanted this Mac for good reason, along with many others like me, so calling it a bad investment outright for everyone is shortsighted. I plan on getting an Apple Silicon laptop when they come out so I can test my apps on it (and because the benefits of moving to Apple Silicon/Arm will be much more obvious in a battery powered device), but this iMac will be my development machine for years to come.

[@michaelottesen6143]

@@ReedHarston Sorry Reed, but MOST people are NOT apple developers, so the other 99% of us will probably wait for everything to shake out.

[@ReedHarston]

@@michaelottesen6143 That is fine. My point isn't that this makes sense for everybody, but that it does make sense for somebody.

[@adrielputra5890]

This is just my opinion, but I think this last intel based imac is more geared towards people that still want to use native bootcamp support. I think the ARM based macs can only support either linux or windows through VMs, which seriously hinder performance. This is the main reason I bought a 16” MBP 2 months ago despite knowing ARM based macs are just around the corner

[@ccricers]

There are some distros of Linux that are built for ARM architecture, but it would be interesting to see how VM performance is for those that aren't.

[@markflo8412]

Just got one and love it!

[@martonwapper]

1:01 My google assistant came on! lol 😂

[@techharis3591]

Makes senss, sounds like google

[@GEOSynths]

I've just bought the 10 Core 2020 iMac and have fully thought about the updated versions coming up, however I got it to replace my 2017 3.5ghz i5 which has been fine, just not been able to handle Live Streaming with Guests. In Wirecast and having Logic open as well as Browser Tabs, I was hitting 90%+ CPU with my 2017 and only 720p, but the same with my 10 Core is about 9% with streaming at 1080p. So, it's the real world benefits, right now is what matters to me. As for how it looks, I couldn't give a Monkeys, it just replaces the space the old one was, same connections and migrated over. Back up and running in a day.

[@agenericaccount3935]

This review reminds me of every middle management compliment sandwich laden employment review ever. "Hey great job on the Manchester account but you need to stop taking dumps in the lunchroom garbage can. Also, your attendance is spotless"

[@nes.torfernandez]

Is so sad that such a good KZbin channel like this promotes the insane consumer problem we are facing nowadays. I’m a full time filmmaker and occasional photographer working with big and heavy footage in premiere pro and other apps, I got the lates 2020 iMac with a i7 and the 5700xt 16GB of Graphics and is running fantastic. I bet the new line of apple silicone iMac is not going to be as good as this machine and it will take a few years to them to actually build something like that. Being said that i don’t consider myself a common iMac user due to the amount of power my work demand. So yes this iMac or any of the base mode will be more than enough for most of people

[@michalwiktorow2188]

Lol, knowing now how things went, your comment sounds funny. Go compare now perfomance of Apple Silocon iMac's ... and again hope that they will support yours for reasonable time.

[@nes.torfernandez]

@@michalwiktorow2188 😂😂😂😂 I actually did both the and the new toy computer with lots of colors and they are garbage not only becase I said so but because everyone in KZbin thinks the same way. Also I doubt the lates imac 27 inch 2021 model is going to be discontinued anytime soon 😌 but thanks for your feedback back next steep get your own one so you can speak for you and not repeat from other

[@afrieddimsim]

@@nes.torfernandez lol, these comments continue to age like milk

[@boomish69]

Best review I’ve seen for ages , this is exactly why I’m not planning on upgrading anytime soon..

[@chrisperry380]

I needed a new Mac now, and I have to say I am beyond happy with my purchase of the 10 core i9 w/5700 xt 16gb. It's fast AF for video editing and 3d rendering. The big difference for me is I am not a tech repair guy and being on a pc setup for over 20 years wore me out. I had issues daily and I don't want to work on my computer like a car. I love that I can sit down and work and not worry about anything.

[@yyouthcanoee]

Yep I have the same one and it blows me away. WIll keep it for years and years

[@luiscardenas8816]

Remember when Linus read mean comments and someone said something about his hair and his defense was that he had no idea what to do with it? I believe him.

[@sergioguerrero7613]

So.... is it a good idea to buy this iMac (the base one) or better wait for 2021 version

[@crogon-yt]

10:55 'Hey you, random underling! Keep track of my beard!' 'OK boss.' ;-P

[@rijulpraveensingh1650]

Keep spamming it and see the magic

[@aguyyoudontknow7090]

The experience of wasting a lot of money

[@YosuaNangin]

That's what my parents call me

[@frozenleaf2612]

@@YosuaNangin damn xD

[@tharunthennarasu2839]

Which most rich people definitely want

[@ned_filip6728]

@@YosuaNangin f

[@SpinMChecker]

Yes apple pc... But what's your opinion on the "new" mac

[@bob_kazamakis]

4:54 this is not exactly true. As soon as this fall, all iOS apps have (wider) capability to be Mac apps thanks to a unified compilation scheme. This has been in the works for a while and Macs already come pre-loaded with Home, News, etc which are all iOS ports

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

All works in apple's favour of controlling the eco system from top to bottom. Will we see Mac OS only allowing apps via apple app store at some point? Giving both iPhone/iPad and Mac apps with one purchase? That could be interesting to some users I'm sure.

[@adhoc302]

I bought a 2019 imac precisely because there's still some stability and it only cost me £1,100 - it'll give them time to work the bugs out of their ARM hardware.

[@4partmedia]

Atleast you got an actual CPU, and not some shitty upgraded mobile phone ARM-chipset.

[@makasete30]

4PM yawn.

[@4partmedia]

@@makasete30 luckily for all to view... numbers don't lie.

[@4partmedia]

@Graham, King of the Britons! WOTM8? lol...I like how you gloss over the fact that no super computer in the world uses one single CPU-- unlike every single Macbook ever created.

[@PotatotheTroll]

@@4partmedia ARM doesn't actually produce just one version of their architecture, or at least that's my understanding. Most phones used v7 for a while years ago, but if I'm remembering correctly the Nintendo 3DS uses v9 and v12 (two CPU units) and the Nintendo Switch uses an ARM-based design as well. But that's all a moot point, because every ARM chip is a custom chip. You see, they sell licenses, not CPUs, and a company isn't required to incorporate parts of the design that won't be used. Phone CPUs might not get the full feature set (I'm not an expert), in the interest of energy and thermal performance. However, ARM hasn't had any real incentive yet to develop CPUs for a PC. In theory, they could, and they simply haven't. That's all to say that we can't know for sure what the "ARM CPU" in the next iMac will actually look like, or what its capabilities might be. It's all unknown, but what is certain is that massive amounts of code will need to be recompiled to support such a change, and it likely only makes sense because of Apple's insistence on its sleek and compact computer designs. LTT actually pointed out in this video that the CPU in the Mac was running into its upper limits, and the Mac couldn't cool it properly. The most logical fix is to implement a cooler-running CPU, but evidently either Apple has less confidence in Ryzen than we do (keeping in mind productivity performance matters the most on Mac systems, and Ryzen beats Intel there) or they decided moving to ARM would confer an even greater thermal performance boost. No matter how this turns out, I'm not too concerned because I have no intention of buying an Apple device anytime soon.

[@robbret]

God dammit, I've been putting off replacing my aging late 2013 iMac for years. And now this.

[@Viper-dn8ix]

Hey don't go after the 2013 iMac's like that. They're beastly machines for being eight years old! Well... If you don't do professional work I guess. I didn't think of that, my bad!!

[@ДмитрийСамсонов-з6ш]

0:39 I watched the full thing in one sitting. Very informative, straight to the point, conversational. Thank you.

[@hugogrotius9964]

The 2012 IMac looks allmost exactly the same... Mad.

[@Kifdy]

"ahhh clearly worth more than pe grade" said swag goose 2020

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

I don't get why having or not having bezels should be an issue of even a passing remark.

[@smoketinytom]

Last time I was this Early, Apple still cared about their customer base!

[@gotioify]

@@obamasphere9950 beat me to it!

[@xorinzor]

"just like our sponsor, ridge" - Fair enough, that's also an ad that's dead on arrival, given how I always skip them 🤷‍♂️

[@Mainyehc]

To be fair, there's a technique which allows to stuff a lot of Unix exectuables for different ISAs and resources into an .app package and have it run as a UB, even with notarization. So, in fact, you can have a 5-way UB (32 and 64-bit PowerPC, 32 and 64-bit x86, and 64-bit ARM) and have it run on anything from really old versions of Mac OS X to macOS Big Sur. The only thing that Apple took away was the nifty checkbox from XCode and whatever APIs that were deprecated, but you can still develop all those separate binaries in different versions of XCode and stitch everything together after the fact. And Rosetta, of course, but it's not like more technologically-inclined users can't get a Snow Leopard VM going. ;) About the crappiest thing about those is really the lack of Retina/Hi-DPI support and assets, something you absolutely can't fix.

[@anch95]

0:38 I'm not too sure Ridgewallet would be happy with that segway.

[@AARGamer28]

0:23 Feel The Experience of getting Robbed by Apple Cheap Chinese Monitor 🤣

[@makisekurisu4674]

The experience of being ripped of is unlike what you have ever felt before😜

[@mrmaddoxp]

I plan on using my 2008 unibody Mac as long as possible. I love that thing.

[@amicloud_yt]

I love how whenever he says 'again' he goes full Canadian

[@andrewb6241]

He does the same when he says against.

[@BartechTV]

I remember the transition from PPC to Intel (I'm also old enough to remember the transition from 68k to PPC). Within 3 years, you couldn't even give them away. Buying a new Intel-based Mac now is literally burning thousands of dollars.

[@mrcanada1968]

Unless your 2012 iMac just died and you need a replacement now for working from home!

[@left4d0g]

If we're talking about regular consumers - that's what would probably happen. If we're talking about pros who need Macs for their workflow - they need their audio card working out of box, they need their software to be compatible out of box, not under Rosetta emulation. And for those - these are great machines.

[@calculus77]

@@left4d0g I've been using a Mac for music making (hobby, not professional musician) since ca. 1987. I remember those 68k to PPC and PPC to Intel transitions well, too. In my experience, they both went surprisingly smoothly. I'm typing this on my 2014 iMac 5k, but DHL will bring my new iMac 27" with the 10-core processor and 2 TB SSD the day after tomorrow. I considered my options very carefully, but decided to order the last intel iMac, because it will have about 3x the processing power for music production compared to my current iMac, and... compatibility. I have invested thousands of euros in 3rd party music software and on a fast intel machine they will work great for the next 5 years. After that... well, I'm sure there will be a lot of great and stable music software for the Apple silicon Macs.

[@ryant2568]

The problem is at the end of the day support for the older X86 architecture is going to sit with the app developers so that would mean anyone writing a program for Mac would need to effectively write 2 programs, 1 for the new ARM silicon and 1 for the old X86 and keep both of those programs updated and that is just not going to happen.

[@jesga0]

"-It just works!" *_-Linus Howard, 2020_*

[@botcantsnipe]

When you are in Hurry and do not know what to type 🤣

[@sushmatolwani1923]

1:53 I have a small gripe. There is no wifi 6 support. Though it does not matter that much since people will use it like a desktop and put a ethernet cable since it has a ethernet gigabit port and a option for 10 gig ethernet port. Though it would be nice to have wifi 6 since some places might have wifi routers at weird places and putting cables from there is not exactly clean. Another thing is my budget gaming laptop which is kinda expensive also has wifi 5 so never mind. And pros will probably edit of a network

[@adityaagarwal130]

Linus: "You know what's not moon logic tho" Me: *Double Tap* *Double Tap* *Close Video*

[@Slada1]

Vanced app skips sponsors :)

[@livewallberg]

@@Slada1 Vanced cant do that

[@Slada1]

@@livewallberg install new update :)

[@livewallberg]

@@Slada1 Thanks I did. But how to activate that feature?

[@Xeniate]

I was always of the mindset that Apple specifically engineers their products to be obsolete or flat-out break after three years or so. That is, barring some of their much older stuff. I mean, they wouldn't release a new version of their computers every year unless they got good returns on them. What better way to guarantee returns than to brick the older stuff with awful thermals, lack of software support, and that mysterious slowness that crippled most of my family's iPhones a few years ago? It all seems overly sus to me.

[@MostafaElSakari]

No, it's so someone who wants a new Mac doesn't have to buy a several year old one.

[@wendysremix]

Universal Binary wasn't removed in 2009? It was removed in 2019 with the release of Catalina if anything.

[@sriramsundar8388]

Idk about universal binary, but Rosetta was dropped with the release of Snow Leopard in 2009. And PowerPC Macs also didn't receive Snow Leopard update.

[@meiklman]

@@sriramsundar8388 Rosetta was dropped with Lion (10.7), so Snow Leopard (10.6) is the last OS that you can run PowerPC apps under. What Linus said about Universal Binary being dropped doesn't make sense.

[@justinavila1320]

All I can say is I had a 2006 Spec'd out G5 and yep, I think it was Snow Leopard that wasn't apple to installed on my machine. A lot of programs like Photoshop/Lightroom/Capture One at that time then started to need Snow Leopard as the min to run.

[@slightcurve98]

In the words of Bennet Foddy “Starting again is worse than starting up”

[@mcunner]

Next up, Linus gets sued for designing an imac that looks better than what apple can do 😂

[@Zoolookuk]

One thing to bear in mind, is that although Snow Leopard was Intel Only (offering performance increases and other benefits) the previous OS, Leopard got most of the same updates (like the new Safari). Also Leopard received security updates right up until 2013. So Apple didn't "drop support" for PowerPC 3 years after the first Intel Macs, it was 7 years later, and that was with a much smaller userbase that they have now.

[@andymiller1597]

watching this on the new 2020 imac lol

[@AbhishekGupta1704]

hahaha. I can imagine your cringe brother!!

[@NeonHeadlights]

arent they all?

[@chugalingus4642]

I hope chad linus never goes away, looking at old videos im surprised he didnt do this sooner

[@turbosloth9499]

2:43 the script

[@petrkdn8224]

YES, we can read. no need to show us

[@goldenpipes]

in 2 years Apple will have an emulation solution for Intel Mac's to run the new ARM apps for only $499.

[@mattjclay]

All apple products should come with lube, to make things easier when they ram it inside of you.

[@AlvaroQF]

I have had a MBP Late 2008 until now and it still works great, I’ll wait a couple of years more, i mean, if it does not break, which i doubt that will happen.

[@icomeinpeace2717]

0:46 my bulge was never up

[@Le_Floop]

Broke gang

[@realcartoongirl]

Smae

[@faultboy]

This design just looks the same since 10 years 😂👏

[@ashkebora7262]

That's Apple innovation for you. If they didn't buy someone else's hard work, you get 10+ year old garbage or a poorly executed fad.

[@retrotech2020]

Watching this and literally the first advert up was for the Samsung S21. Brilliant.

[@MinePlayGameseTutoriais]

2:48 I always thought that Linus would speak everything from his memory lol im surprised

[@harleyss]

IKR I saw that too

[@ssrini2002]

Good catch!

[@leonthesleepy]

iJustine: "whattttttttt"

[@ostatu.]

4:20 if you swap "Apple silicon app" and "Intel CPU", then do not swap the arrow or it says the same thing

[@danieljensen2626]

Dear Linus, please never part your hair down the middle again. Literally no one looks good with a middle part.

[@brakozonhs1]

Thats cause he was talking about an Apple product...You cant look serious and talk about an apple product at the same time.

[@nail7904]

@@brakozonhs1 so make yourself look even more like an idiot, seems like a good idea

[@HeartAche06]

*Who else went straight to the comments?😂😂*

[@teawiththemen8273]

Not me.....😶

[@Marck1o]

I'm still stuck with my iMac late 2009. Was a good buy at it's time.

[@zixzee4412]

"To create something that's genuinely new, you have to start again." Linus 2020