There’s NO WAY this works - Debunking bogus network splitters.

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@LinusTechTips
@LinusTechTips Жыл бұрын
Since reading comments from you beautiful people, we want clarify a couple things. First, the fact that ethernet is digital (as opposed to analog) is not the reason that these splitters don't work. In fact, some digital signals can be split, such as I2C, DTV, or ARINC. Second, many other commenters are suggesting using these splitters as passive hubs, but while in the past that could have been a possibility, these splitters aren't wired correctly for that . The transmission pins on the sending device need to connect to the receiving pins on the other end. Simply wiring pin 1 to pin 1, 2 to 2, etc. as we see here does not work. While some of those old/deprecated features of the earlier ethernet standards could have enabled devices similar to these to work with very old network adapters, few, if any modern network adapters support these features and, ultimately, the wiring diagrams presented on the product page for these don't suggest that the seller intends customers to use them in that way. Our apologies for not making all this obvious in the video! Now here's some link to real solutions: Buy a TP-Link 5 Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch: lmg.gg/lp5ev Buy a TP-Link 5 Port Ethernet Switch: lmg.gg/3F5f5 Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.
@LestifyYT
@LestifyYT Жыл бұрын
Hi i love your content. Your the best
@wulzyfan59
@wulzyfan59 Жыл бұрын
when the h
@TripGamingWolf
@TripGamingWolf Жыл бұрын
the earliest ive been
@ModernVintageFilm
@ModernVintageFilm Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a Coax TV hooked up to HDMI.
@Haleskinn
@Haleskinn Жыл бұрын
could you please make a video about ethernet wan aggregation, like using qhora 322, or peplink, or asus new 10gbe routers to aggregate 2 or 3 different isps to get more "speed" (essentially getting 1 output with all of the speeds combined)
@JokingJay
@JokingJay Жыл бұрын
It's honestly impressive these companies realized less technically inclined people would search for "ethernet splitter" instead of an actual switch, then made a product that looked exactly like what said people were expecting, albeit somehow worse and more expensive than a 2-port ethernet switch. If only they had used their powers for good...
@divyamthakur
@divyamthakur Жыл бұрын
it should've worked like a hub if they configured it correctly i guess??
@Secret_Takodachi
@Secret_Takodachi Жыл бұрын
"And so one more finger curled up on the monkey's paw"...... 😂❤
@veto_5762
@veto_5762 Жыл бұрын
@@divyamthakur that's exactly what a switch does edit: ok nevermind I'm wrong, still if you want to explain me the difference go ahead, i like reading explanations :)
@henry55430
@henry55430 Жыл бұрын
When money is involved, rarely are the motivations humanitarian.
@thenoblerot
@thenoblerot Жыл бұрын
@@divyamthakur I guess I'm a noob but I always kinda assumed these things are basically a hub? what is the diff?
@anekroth
@anekroth Жыл бұрын
Hi Linus, random network engineer speaking. That splitter might work if you change all of your network interfaces to half duplex. Half duplex would need to be set on both of the computers connected to the splitter as well as the switch port the splitter plugs into. Half duplex uses a protocol called Cable Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection (or CSMA/CD for short). Its a protocol that harkens back to the days of yore when network devices communicated over a single wire (like token rings and hubs). On a Windows PC you should be able to change the duplex settings from the network device properties in device manager. As for the switch, you will need a managed switch that allows you to change the port settings.
@ashvinla
@ashvinla Жыл бұрын
Thank God there are other network engineers here!!
@IT10T
@IT10T Жыл бұрын
You mean Carrier Sense
@bassman87
@bassman87 Жыл бұрын
yeah I was thinking the same thing. Effectively those splitters are just a shitty hub. CSMA-CD is enabled in half duplex settings, but not sure if the consumer grade switch supports half duplex.
@dschwartz783
@dschwartz783 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, thanks. I was on the verge of screaming at my computer screen: “google how Ethernet hubs worked bro”. With that said, I wonder how tested most NICs are these days to work in a collision domain containing more than two devices. That’s all modern NICs usually have to deal with thanks to the advent of the switch.
@remo9229
@remo9229 Жыл бұрын
I experimented exactly that in one of my projects, and it doesn't actually work. Reason being standards like 10BASE-T, even when set in half duplex mode, still uses the same two pairs as tx/rx as full duplex, but there is no way to electrically connect those two pairs together so all devices on the bus can share them. I did find there's a 10BASE-T1S standard that does exactly what I needed but the ethernet chip I had didn't support it so I didn't continue that. edit: by "work" I meant all devices connected together this way can talk to each other. I was able to get one device to talk to other two even at full duplex, but not between all three devices I had at the time. edit2: I was actually experimenting with 10BASE-T, not 100.
@chrisspellman5952
@chrisspellman5952 Жыл бұрын
I made this back in college. Had 2 machines and I was lazy and didn't want to run multiple cables and we didn't have access to a bunch of consumer grade switches. There was already a jack at my station so I made my own 'splitter' with 6 Rj45 connectors (3 at each end). My networking instructor was both disappointed and impressed when he saw it. He knew I knew it was wrong. But also, he appreciated the ingenuity of it.
@Forke13
@Forke13 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict Жыл бұрын
This kind of setup is how telco gets run as well. 4 pair, 4 phones.
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson Жыл бұрын
You also probably didn’t screw yourselves over by slamming into a hub that also requires crossover cabling. 😂
@ivanbrunello6068
@ivanbrunello6068 8 ай бұрын
Tbh I saw properly cabled (that is 4 wires on one port and 4 on the other) splitters in several industrial installations. Expecially in not big warehouses where fiber was not needed
@rfarevalo
@rfarevalo 8 ай бұрын
@@TheInsomniaddict Telco is not ethernet. who cares?
@AntneeUK
@AntneeUK Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly, this video has helped me diagnose a network issue at home today. I noticed that a wired connection between 2 rooms is running at 100Mbps, which led me to think that one internal wire is broken/disconnected. I never realised that we can run 100Mbps with less than all cables before I watched this. Sure enough, pin 4 is coming back disconnected. All the other wires are good. Not the point of the video, but it helped me diagnose the issue 👍
@edwardbanda6018
@edwardbanda6018 9 ай бұрын
Yes that is weird...I got Maxwell's theory out of it double your baud rate.
@cocomonkilla
@cocomonkilla 7 ай бұрын
Tech tips??? On my LTT?
@yiddea0
@yiddea0 Жыл бұрын
I did this once a couple decades ago. The building facility manager would not cooperate between our two suites, so I used the telephone panel to split each pair to their own phone jack in the closet and connected the switches via a custom cable feeding all 4 pairs back into an ethernet keystone on each end. Performance was good enough to allow us to complete the move from one suite to the other over a week instead of having to do it overnight. Once done, I removed my handiwork from the closet and kept the two dongles as a trophy for my ingenuity. :)
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs Жыл бұрын
I did this once to run DSL and Ethernet over a single Cat6 cable, it worked, but was replaced as soon as a second wire way pulled through the wall
@nolan33
@nolan33 Жыл бұрын
What would happen if you inverted the cable. 2 cables into a single port on a pc?
@L-Tek
@L-Tek Жыл бұрын
@@nolan33 Depends on how the network card / chip handles it. You will either connect to just one of the networks or to none at all, plus you will be limited to 100Mbit/s as gigabit needs all the 8 wires connected to a single port on both the switch / router and pc.
@jajssblue
@jajssblue Жыл бұрын
Time to daisy chain splitters into a Christmas tree of sadness.
@LestifyYT
@LestifyYT Жыл бұрын
Ok
@Weepsy_
@Weepsy_ Жыл бұрын
😔
@0Jibberjabber0
@0Jibberjabber0 Жыл бұрын
How many times do you think that's been said😂
@Nickdeaugustine
@Nickdeaugustine Жыл бұрын
🎄😢
@NaveedHassan1
@NaveedHassan1 Жыл бұрын
This commenter knows sorrow.
@wfkvr6
@wfkvr6 Жыл бұрын
I used to make my own splitters in the military when running another cable wasn't possible or feasible. Was back in the Cat5e days, so we only had 100Mbps switch ports at the edge anyway. Thanks for bringing back some good memories! 😂
@HaroldKhan
@HaroldKhan 3 ай бұрын
I liked the CAT5 because it has 8 wires! I made a lot of "adapters" for my hadrware back then when I can't afford stuff like a SCART to VGA cable or a Multi DVI splitter and such. I was tempted to make power run through it but common sense and the prospect of fire stopped me.
@cazeyexe
@cazeyexe Жыл бұрын
That physical diagram between the garage and living room was perfect and made everything extremely easy to understand. I'd love to see more like that in the future.
@TheGalacticVoid
@TheGalacticVoid Жыл бұрын
I was genuinely impressed with how good the example was
@DrewTNaylor
@DrewTNaylor Жыл бұрын
@@HR91360 How rude.
@948320z
@948320z Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the old (before the 90s) educational programs that relied on physical props for demonstration, like "The Secret Life of Machines".
@DrewTNaylor
@DrewTNaylor Жыл бұрын
@@HR91360 A different way? I can't see any other way besides being ableist and rude.
@GamerCheatsForAll
@GamerCheatsForAll Жыл бұрын
@@DrewTNaylor how wude uwu 🤡
@Aguyinachair
@Aguyinachair Жыл бұрын
Working at Radioshack I heard this a thousand times. We had an adapter that was exactly like the adapter featured in the video. They would refuse to buy the slightly more expensive ethernet switch regardless of how much I protested. Some of them came back and usually apologized; others I'm sure went to other stores to avoid seeing my face again lmao
@dominiquebeaulieu7476
@dominiquebeaulieu7476 Жыл бұрын
Was it the white triangle shape with 3 ethernet port? If yes i had it and was working not so bad.
@Aguyinachair
@Aguyinachair Жыл бұрын
@@dominiquebeaulieu7476 nah it was two ports and two came in a pack
@drippingwax
@drippingwax Жыл бұрын
How bad is your face?
@minty_Joe
@minty_Joe Жыл бұрын
@@Aguyinachair I do remember those. I also was $hackled for a little over 3.5 years. They were definitely a boomerang sale. The customer insisted, I told them otherwise, they wanted it anyway, but I warned them. Surprise, surprise, it was returned time and time again.
@Teh_Random_Canadian
@Teh_Random_Canadian Жыл бұрын
I actually have needed and 😅to use these things. Mostly for partyline comms systems like ethernet controlled light switchs and other things like arduino networking. They do work, but are extremely niche and not for splitting internet like joe blow wants
@proud2bgeeky
@proud2bgeeky Жыл бұрын
We used to split CAT-5 cable into two cable connections when I was in the Air Force all the time. My unit's mission was to setup deployable PC/telephone equipment in the field and the less cable we had to run the better. We would even drop a ethernet link to a PC and then use the extra wire pairs for telephones.
@michael1
@michael1 Жыл бұрын
And that's why you lost the Vietnam war! "Hello? Hello? Is that B company? It's no good, Sarge, these PC/Telephones don't work! I think it's this splitter" "Well drop some napalm and fly back home then"
@slincolne
@slincolne 10 ай бұрын
I've done that on a site with AT&T 110 patch panels. The Ethernet connection used two pairs, and one of the remaining two pairs were used for a phone. No pairs were shared between the two devices, and the frequency difference between the Ethernet service and the other service were so different that there was no crosstalk, and each service worked as expected. There were no ethernet errors (switch error counters proved this) and no weird audio artifacts on the phone.
@Hanoitami
@Hanoitami 9 ай бұрын
Vodafone tech here. Can confirm. Linus is missing this out completely... As usual.
@edwardbanda6018
@edwardbanda6018 9 ай бұрын
I agree the video creator doesn't know very much about signal flow and electronics.
@disguiseddv8ant486
@disguiseddv8ant486 9 ай бұрын
I've been splitting ethernet wires for phone and high speed internet in small businesses and single family homes since 1999.
@cristi804
@cristi804 Жыл бұрын
Those devices are actually a gold mine for DIY electronics projects (non-ethernet). I recently used a lot of them to split multiple signal wires very cheaply. Ethernet cables are so cheap and they provide 8 wires inside that can be used for anything.. and those devices provide a very nice solution to duplicating the signal
@grants7390
@grants7390 Жыл бұрын
yes, yes, yes. I'm using a few for cat5e carrying balanced audio to several studio monitors.
@henrirappperson
@henrirappperson Жыл бұрын
@@grants7390yup, I’ve used them for studio headphone systems from Furmann.
@flowwizardz6695
@flowwizardz6695 Жыл бұрын
Like the connections in treadmills
@jackkraken3888
@jackkraken3888 Жыл бұрын
I heard they use them to send HDMI signals even further, you can even get HDMI to Ethernet adapters for this very reason!
@lennardfaber
@lennardfaber Жыл бұрын
I've used them for adding terminators to a cat5 cabled CAN-bus system.
@RnAlsation
@RnAlsation Жыл бұрын
This video's sponsor looks like it helps to build many of the experiences I hate about trying to shop online.
@Kyle_G_Sy
@Kyle_G_Sy Жыл бұрын
Elaborate?
@okaydetar821
@okaydetar821 Жыл бұрын
@@Kyle_G_Sy Drop shipping is a a method of scamming pretty much, and a get quick rich scheme at best.
@thebestdamager7400
@thebestdamager7400 Жыл бұрын
Thats VERY simplified and generalized. Almost all of amazon is dropshipping. 80% of online stores are dropshipping. Nobody cares. The problem is when it's used to scam someone and products are never sent or only after months of waiting.
@DROGOC0P
@DROGOC0P Жыл бұрын
@@theresoluxion you'd think tech savvy viewers of LTT would know reselling chinese crap for insane markups is scamming, but you dont seem to
@empressjessica5020
@empressjessica5020 Жыл бұрын
​@@okaydetar821false. Dropshipping is a logistical method of moving product that's been used for 45yrs however once in a while like with anything. Someone runs a scam. And then dodo brains automatically assume everything is a scam as a result. Their problem not logistics problem😂
@Killerpixel11
@Killerpixel11 Жыл бұрын
As someone still occasionally having to deal with the "proper" splitters, I can tell you they've been around for ages. And they're an absolute nightmare. Because the venn diagramm of people who use these, and people who don't document jack shit in their network, is perfectly aligned. Oh and also, finding replacement ones for situations where the customer absolutely does not want a better solution (because why would you?) has become a giant hassle, because everything is saturated with the "fake ones" as dropshipped e-waste. Thanks for the sponsor by the way, that particular industry absolutely needs to become bigger.......
@fab1604
@fab1604 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, I was like "... More dropshipping? REALLY?!"
@yellingintothewind
@yellingintothewind Жыл бұрын
We always made them in-house, as it was the only way to be sure you'd get the same pinout everywhere. This was back in the days where connectors wouldn't auto-negotiate tx vs rx, so you had to deal with x-over cables too.
@thefreephilosopher7398
@thefreephilosopher7398 Жыл бұрын
When I worked for an ISP 17 years ago, we also had our in-house splitters... They even made them fool proof to install, by colouring each contact in the respective wire's colour... you pinned the whole cable to one side, and then went from that side to the other side where the pairs would be switched with a small piece of cable... That way, we could lead a single cable from the router or modem to where the TV was located, and people had an extra plug for their laptop, or to the office, where both mr and mrs then had a plug to work or play WoW, all without the need for another thing that needed to be plugged into the power network...
@domhamai
@domhamai Жыл бұрын
Just make it yourself
@solarbirdyz
@solarbirdyz Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. In anything remotely modern, this is such a WHY GOD WHY hack.
@Mymatevince
@Mymatevince Жыл бұрын
Fun video. What you built here was a Data / Data RJ45 Economiser, you can also buy them in Data / Voice and Voice / Voice. They often have different colour strain relief boots to indicate by glance what they are. Basically on the Voice versions they are wired up using the middle 2 pins (Pin 4 and 5 blue pair) and the brown pair (Pin 7 and 8). They have been around for many years, but not many know about them 👍 The Data / Voice version is sometimes useful for pushing good old fashioned dial tone down the 1 Ethernet cable with 100Mbps internet as well.
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict Жыл бұрын
Voice only requires a single pair, doesn't it? You should be able to to 1gbps data + voice.
@Mymatevince
@Mymatevince Жыл бұрын
@@TheInsomniaddict Yes, voice only needs the 1 pair, there are instances in the UK where you might want to push through the ringer wire on the 3rd wire so it could need 3 wires to work. Unfortunately even with voice using 1 pair that leaves only 3 pairs remaining, so you still wouldn't get 1000Mbps which requires all 4 pairs, you are still limited to only 100Mbps which is still fine for most things 👍
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict Жыл бұрын
@@Mymatevince Darn, I was thinking it required 3 pair with the 4th for shielding. Ah well.
@karlkaufman2659
@karlkaufman2659 Жыл бұрын
> "The Data / Voice version is sometimes useful for pushing good old fashioned dial tone down the 1 Ethernet cable with 100Mbps internet as well." Exactly what we're doing to get our Ooma base station networked, and its phone line interconnected to our central phone block. (Although we made our own phone+FastE splitters. The few I saw offered commercially were ridiculously expensive.)
@KidRunnerH
@KidRunnerH 10 ай бұрын
I want what’s in this example. Our router goes to 3 rooms- but there’s four gamers all rooms have Xbox SXs all of us are tryna play multiplayer games simultaneously I want something akin to this device for the living room so we can have four devices going at once… What would I search for and / or do?
@brunoschwizer1009
@brunoschwizer1009 Жыл бұрын
These are used sometimes in Industrial applications where there are simple analog signals (24v power or maybe a digital IO or a 0-10V analog Signal) running over an RJ-45 connector. Then there are some use cases where these are practical. Like let's say you have an analog pressure signal that needs to be read by 2 different sources simultaneously.
@CamGrayA
@CamGrayA Жыл бұрын
Yup, i used one of the splitters shown 'the more honest one' for splitting analog audio signals being run over structured ethernet cabling. While it was a very special AV use case worked a charm.
@nadie9058
@nadie9058 Жыл бұрын
Then it's not an Ethernet splitter, it's just an rj-45 splitter
@global2829
@global2829 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Worked on a product that ran a RS-485 serial protocol over Cat 5/RJ-45 cables, and these splitters worked fine as all the devices treated the cable as a bus. Typically you'd daisy-chain devices, they'd have two ports that were simply wired together, but splitters worked too.
@arturszczeparski1351
@arturszczeparski1351 Жыл бұрын
Was about to comment, that these RJ-45 splitters are used with device, where serial communication like RS485 is run through RJ45, and you daisy chain all for example VFD in circuit. Pretty handy and usefull.
@quadruple_negative
@quadruple_negative Жыл бұрын
Yep. I see them in pump control panels all the time where the serial coms between VFD units and the HMI use ethernet cables for links.
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 Жыл бұрын
A basic splitter should work as a 10/100 Mbps passive hub. I don't see a reason why connection fails altogether. Maybe there is an option in the network adapter settings that enables 10/100 Mbps mode compatibility.
@Toxicity1987
@Toxicity1987 Жыл бұрын
Yup, in the 90s, such splitters were pretty common in many offices.
@carth85
@carth85 Жыл бұрын
Mehmed tech tips ftw.
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 Жыл бұрын
​@@carth85 haha 😂
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
set to half-duplex and collision detection that's baked into the ethernet spec should take care of the rest. LTT didn't show the whole picture with this video.
@mbsoysal87
@mbsoysal87 Жыл бұрын
​@@cyberpass thanks for sharing. I guess they didn't mention it because young tech writers have never worked with pre-Gbps Ethernet standards 😀
@insu_na
@insu_na Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it didn't work tbh. Maybe because of the switch, or maybe windows has disabled csma/cd by default now under the assumption that all ethernet connections are switched nowadays, but once upon a time, home networks used ethernet hubs, not Ethernet switches, and these genuinely did exactly what this splitter here does, only with even more ports
@insu_na
@insu_na Жыл бұрын
If the ltt crew would manually set link speed to 100mbit/s half duplex in the network adapter settings, then the splitter *should* work out of the box, if the network cards still have csma/cd implemented that is
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
I'd be surprised if they removed collision detection from their drivers. These should work. I'm surprised LTT didn't mention anything about CSMA/CD.
@izimsi
@izimsi Жыл бұрын
hubs split packets into individual transmissions, not just wire up everything together
@burnstick1380
@burnstick1380 Жыл бұрын
thought the exact same thing. That's prob why they did do it this way cause theoretically you can go up to the "normal" speed the cables offer (1G maybe even 10G)
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
@@izimsi That's not true at all.
@jamesriddle1508
@jamesriddle1508 Жыл бұрын
As an electrician, I've always used (network) switches for connecting devices, however, the splitters work great for use in lighting control devices wired with Cat5E. Send power to a power pack module then Cat5e to a sensor or wall switch or another power pack. Splitters started coming with ceiling occupancy sensors awhile ago making installation easier.
@isaackvasager9957
@isaackvasager9957 Жыл бұрын
Security installer here...there are versions of this that work. We use them (on each end) to allow 2 IP cameras to be run off '1' wire. (It's obviously two wires from the appropriate ends). As Linus mentioned in the video, you can get 100mbps with splitting. Which is WAY more than you need for a single IP camera. Works great if you need two cameras on a far end of a building, you can run just a single cable for the main trunk.
@connerw7381
@connerw7381 Жыл бұрын
This!! Works great haha
@Solarius318
@Solarius318 Жыл бұрын
We used to sell these at radioshack when i worked there. had so many returned because people didnt read that you have to hook it up with 2 into it on each end like the one linus made, and it didnt just simply split them like old jacks. they worked great for the purpose they were built.
@henrypugsley7199
@henrypugsley7199 Жыл бұрын
Old school telco and network guys did this to run 2 x Cat3 over a single 4-pair cable. Works fine for 100Mbps without PoE, but if you want PoE or 1Gbps then you need more cables.
@markngugi
@markngugi Жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 Exactly! There are versions that actually work - It just takes a little know-how! I dare say even PoE Splitters - Done it myself for my security cameras: 2 Cat7 Cables split for 4 PoE Cameras.
@macjonte
@macjonte Жыл бұрын
Cameras would be a place you like to use PoE so you can run all cameras from the switch UPS.
@alanbarber4543
@alanbarber4543 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're doing more content like this... Useful to send to my less technically smart family when they ask about junk like this.
@TheSwayzeTrain
@TheSwayzeTrain Жыл бұрын
They don't want the technical explanation. They just want you to say 'yes it will work' or 'no it will not'. If not, they want you to tell them exactly what to buy instead. "Make magic box work, me no care how works!"
@DjoXey
@DjoXey Жыл бұрын
​@@TheSwayzeTrainExactly
@Gahlfe123
@Gahlfe123 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSwayzeTrain i tell this to everyone who asks me for help but really just wants me to fix the issue and not learn about the issue. its so annoying how little people try to understand the world around them
@CMDRSweeper
@CMDRSweeper Жыл бұрын
@@Gahlfe123 The reason is that you, me and the rest of us here, we are MUTANTS! We are abnormal :D
@manankataria
@manankataria Жыл бұрын
​@@CMDRSweeper 😅 such a sad reality we have reached an age where trying to understand how things work can make us the weird ones 😢.
@Jernaumg
@Jernaumg Жыл бұрын
These used to be very common (the correctly wired ones). A lot of older offices were wired up with far less structured cabling than we would do now. Worse yet some of it was probably CW1308 for phones. As more and more devices needed connecting up this became an issue, particularly when IP (and later VOIP) phones became more common. One solution was to use a pair of splitters like this to double up your infrastructure. Yes it was janky but it was also MUCH cheaper than re-wiring a building and didn't disrupt the people working there. Similar looking devices were also common on digital PBXs which used cat5 cables terminated on RJ45 ends but used entirely proprietary signalling. Some of these would actually have worked with the splitters you bought too because you could set up the live pairs on the PBX and phone so that each phone only used one pair and ignored the rest.
@DrWhoStrange
@DrWhoStrange Жыл бұрын
The splitter you constructed is how the legitimate splitters are wired. They would often have a cabling diagram displayed on the top of the splitter. It was useful when things like switches were more expensive or you needed that one extra port in a location without needing a powered device. It's like the Amazon stores have thought 'oh yes, we can replicate that product' without understanding what it's actually doing.
@andymapp803
@andymapp803 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this. I still find these in Businesses to this day! Either 2 sets of 1,2,3,6 for 2 data connections, or 1 x 1,2,3,6 and 1 x 2,5 (for telephony). With vlanning and gigabit passthrough on newer IP phones, they're a lot less common now. Never buy from somewhere that doesn't display the wiring diagram, but as Linus eludes to, if you're looking at one of these, there is probably a better solution...
@nberedim
@nberedim Жыл бұрын
​@@andymapp803 I use a pair in my house. Pass Phone/Data from my CPE to the main living room
@traviswilliams4880
@traviswilliams4880 Жыл бұрын
I've also used legitimate splitters in situations where we needed to preserve vlans and the customer couldn't afford additional in wall runs or more expensive managed switches. Those $8 switches linus showed would strip vlan tags.
@jonmusgrov
@jonmusgrov Жыл бұрын
I can remember when working in tech support 20 years ago at schools the legitimate ones were used othen as back then switches and even hubs were alot more expensive, t100 was the standard, the only place i saw gigabit lan was between switches
@davidvolker4647
@davidvolker4647 Жыл бұрын
While working in the business of networks and telecommunications I can confirm he's right. Those fake splitters had a use back in the days for some connection types, like an analogue telephone line or even ISDN lines. But it's really no use in computer networks. You'll need a real splitter like he described in the video. I also want to comment that it's a good sum up of the topic even for people not having a deep insight in networks. 👍🏼
@danielch6662
@danielch6662 Жыл бұрын
I did the same in the office I worked at. Boss wanted another computer there, and I was too lazy to pull another cable, and he didn't care, or know anything about cabling ... so two 10cm lengths of CAT5 cut from the roll under my desk, two rj45 plugs, four rj45 sockets, and lots of electrical tape, and I'd made a pair of these in 5 minutes. I was quite proud of thinking up the solution then. Pulling another cable would have taken an hour or half. And this was 20 years ago. Switches and hubs were not that cheap as they are today. And required a trip to the city 20km away. The shopping trip would take me half a day, what with searching for parking, etc. That would cost more than the switch. Plus where were we going to place the switch under the table, and it need another power point, which must never be switched off, or the other computer will go offline. My janky unpowered solution worked problem free the rest of the time I was there, about 10 years. It was light enough, I screwed it to the bottom of the table with just one screw.
@Ykok
@Ykok Жыл бұрын
Worked at a company where we used to use splitters back in the start 2000es. At that time 100mbit was the standard and REALLY fast, so splitters were a very useable method to use a single installed cable for two computers. I think we might even have created them ourselves 🙂.
@MattF340
@MattF340 Жыл бұрын
Yup, they were called CAT5 Economisers when 100mbps was top speed and only 2 of the 4 pairs in the cable were used - of course you needed another one on the other end too.
@AlexVonT
@AlexVonT Жыл бұрын
Back when I ran a computer repair business in 2002 I made several of these for my shop. Switches were.... not $8 back in the day....
@JRansom02
@JRansom02 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've also seen them run to two-port jacks on both sides of the cable run.
@Tigerskunk
@Tigerskunk Жыл бұрын
Years back, we did this for some computers. Sometimes using it for data and phone for a fax/modem on the machine. This was when companies still need to send faxes for legal reasons.
@Ziogref
@Ziogref Жыл бұрын
My office used splitter (rarely) to send a analogue phone and ethernet down 1 cable. The splitters we purchased actually split like the one linus made so we could plug one end into the network and the other into the PABX.
@rfmerrill
@rfmerrill Жыл бұрын
Ethernet was actually originally designed for this kind of thing to work just fine! If you're as old as I am, you may remember seeing computers wired up with 10BASE-2 or 10BASE-5. These older Ethernet physical layers allowed a group of computers to talk over a shared coaxial cable--each computer just taps off the cable at some point or another and they all use CSMA/CD to avoid talking over each other. With twisted-pair Ethernet (aka every kind of Ethernet we've used since then), however, you need at bare minimum a hub--it's just not electrically designed to be used the same way as the coax flavor. This does come with advantages--it's harder for one fault to bring the whole network down, and each computer can be freely plugged in and unplugged without disturbing the others.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott Жыл бұрын
Yep, my first Ethernet experience was with 10base5, connecting some VAX 11/780 computers. I also hand wired some Ethernet controllers, on prototyping boards for Data General Eclipse computers. However, my first LAN experience was in early 1978, on a proprietary Rockwell Collins network, in the Air Canada reservation system.
@neilsluman8267
@neilsluman8267 9 ай бұрын
I have to say, this video confuses me a bit. This is trying to do something that ethernet should be able to do. It's designed to handle collisions. It demonstrably doesn't work with cat-6 but is this because it's full duplex, or because this particular ethernet cable works differently in some way?
@F3nrisTAG
@F3nrisTAG Жыл бұрын
Properly made splitters have existed for a long time. I've used them and had to make them in some cases to repurpose old building wiring. In some cases, because it was CAT5 (not e) cable wired for phones originally, using a RJ45 to RJ11 adapter was........ fun.
@notmyname9062
@notmyname9062 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, just don't buy chinese garbage. There have been splitters out there for decades that work, IF you use them as they are supposed to be used. And ONLY in that case. You don't even need premade splitters, you can use patch panels or etthernetcable connectors to do this yourself. I used this method over 10 years to provide two connections over one cable, since internet connections was far below 100mbit/s anyway.
@seandaugherty5372
@seandaugherty5372 Жыл бұрын
Actual Ethernet “splitters” do exactly what you did, and split 4 along each line. And I have seen applications where it was the most practical solution, where we had a buried line under asphalt and needed to have two physically separated connections.
@Bizzmark11
@Bizzmark11 Жыл бұрын
It was actually kind of shocking to me, earlier in my career (10-20 years ago) how common splitting a CAT5 (or even older) cable in half is in retail environments. Tons of connections at front of house cash registers with the POS on 4-conductor data, often with the other 4 being used for POTS phones. They're still out there being used.
@richardjohnston8965
@richardjohnston8965 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Used them in supermarkets when I cut my teeth in IT back in the early 2000's. In fact, I still have some of those exact same 20 year old splitters in use in my house today!
@beardymcbeardface69
@beardymcbeardface69 Жыл бұрын
I know of a national stock exchange which also used them. There's nothing wrong with their use, if they're use correctly. We often mixed connections, including 2 wire NEC Dterm phones with the use of these splitters and appropriate wiring on our Krone frames.
@tz8785
@tz8785 Жыл бұрын
Sure and why not? Those applications don't really need a lot of bandwidth so if you can provide connection to several devices with no additional electronics by physically reassigning the conductors, there is little reason not to. This applies even more for analog signals which you can't simply feed into a network switch. Of course, this assumes they work properly, which the specimens in the video don't.
@TheRogueX
@TheRogueX Жыл бұрын
When I worked for A&T we were allowed to do this because most computers still only had 10/100 cards in them and only used 2 pair of the 4 anyway.
@sweh
@sweh Жыл бұрын
Combined ethernet/phone use is why 10baseT (and then 100baseT) ethernet used 1/2/3/6; it meant two-wire rj11/rj12 needed by phones would naturally fit in the middle of the RJ45 socket and use pins 4/5
@iaina3251
@iaina3251 Жыл бұрын
Back in the olden days (mid 2000s) we had loads of these in the company server room. We didn't have enough ports in our rack and these were everywhere to allow more low speed devices into the patch panels
@Max128ping
@Max128ping Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, how they even work properly back then was using something called CSMA/CD Or Carrier-Sense Multiple Access / Collision Detection Where it will send data and listen for its own data, if so, data sent successfully, if not and heard something else. It will pause at random time before trying again.
@Max128ping
@Max128ping Жыл бұрын
Wifi now days uses a similar technology, CSMA/CA Instead of listening to their own data, it first Listen before sending out. It's why more signal causes slower connection because your WiFi is waiting for that slight moment of silent before transmitting
@todayiroam1374
@todayiroam1374 Жыл бұрын
The "DIY" version is also available commercially and has been for years. In times when 100mbit was still pretty much standard I have been using them for Mir than one customer. If you image search for "Delock Rj45 LAN Anschlussverdoppler" you can find a model that shows the wiring on the casing.
@ScotHarkins
@ScotHarkins Жыл бұрын
Even back in the 90s I was able to buy working 10Base-T splitters that properly split the pairs to yield 2 connections. First supplier in mind was BlackBox, supplier of many amazing doohickeys for various types of serial and network connections. Nothing at all new about this stuff. I even had the occasion to split jacks on a single pull, as you demonstrated. I punched 2 pair into one jack and 2 pair in the other at both ends of a single CAT5 line. Done properly it worked like a charm for 10Base-T and even 100Base-T with enough twists per inch cabling. BlackBox also made wall jacks for this purpose, where all you had to do was punch the wires the same way on both ends as indicated on the jacks' punchdowns. I had a cabler test one of my own such connections with his Fluke, and they both tested okay for 100Mb, but that's not the same as two full connections lighting up all eight wires at once. I'm sure such a contraption wouldn't rate anywhere near good enough for 1Gb, even with great care with the tight pair twists in CAT6e. In the installations I directed I made damn sure to use professional cablers, good cable, good jacks and blocks, and tested-to-spec 568B connections. I always pulled extra, so need 1 but pull 2, 2 pulls 3, 3 pulls 5, etc. I also only terminated 568B, even for phones. Our phones were 4-wire links, and with either 568A or 568B the 2 center pair tracked for 4-wire phone systems. The jacks we used were also shouldered to properly hold either an RJ45 or RJ11 or RJ14 plugs. We used those lines for Ethernet, telco, and even serial with RTS/CTS and even a few times DTR/DSR...I wired my own RJ45 to DB9 and DB15 connectors for such things so I could use even 568B patch cables for serial printers. Those were the days. I'm surprised anyone sells such crap as you found. The plans for proper Ethernet splitters are still out there, and aren't even that arcane. I'd be shocked if there weren't already PCB prints ready to go with minimal case requirements. You could even build a hub or switch into a case of that size, provided it could also pull power from maybe a USB. The trick then would be whether the network switch on the other side permits switches or hubs, which in any business office they SHOULD NOT without an exception process through the networking owner. No secret guest connections.
@xlipeyt
@xlipeyt Жыл бұрын
Did Linus really advertise for a Dropshipping buisness?
@Thtoastanator
@Thtoastanator Жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing. I guess scummy money still pays the bills
@CJMAXiK
@CJMAXiK Жыл бұрын
If you have any genuine concerns, you can always send a post on the forum, they have a separate section to evaluate their sponsors.
@Kyle_G_Sy
@Kyle_G_Sy Жыл бұрын
Yes and no... autods is a tool for those running a dropshipping business
@unia.
@unia. Жыл бұрын
who cares, its not like anyone buys from drop shippers anyway
@Broockle
@Broockle Жыл бұрын
o i muted it, are they the RAID shadow legends of computer hardware?
@QuicknStraight
@QuicknStraight Жыл бұрын
The most stupid thing about these splitters is that the Chinese factory knocking them out could just as easily separate out 2 twisted pairs to each port, as Linus did. It's bizarre that they don't.
@Richard_AKL
@Richard_AKL Жыл бұрын
It's a design fault with this specific one. We used to buy ones that were like Linus' ones.
@reed-young
@reed-young Жыл бұрын
Bizarre, yes, but also par for the course these days.
@JJFX-
@JJFX- Жыл бұрын
Are you really surprised? TBF the idea is that you get the full connection speed to each device if only one of them is powered on at a time. While that may be useful in some situations it's certainly not how most are being marketed.
@reed-young
@reed-young Жыл бұрын
@@JJFX- Wow! Is that the most generous of all possible summaries, or what? "While that may be useful in some situations it is not how most are being marketed." What it looks like to me is that the design "team" was probably one guy, who struggled to pass CompTIA Networking, if he could at all, or at that approximate level of understanding, anyway. (Does CompTIA even exist still? Never mind, in either case it's beside the point!) If not a literal uncle, somebody fitting the general description of a nepotism arrangement requested the *intended* function, probably in the very terms of a headphone splitter, probably after seeing an attractive couple (or just a noisy couple) using one on an airplane. The nephew did his best, but reported that it can only work for one device at a time, and didn't know what Linus showed: that instead of connecting all 8 wires (which is what prevents two separate connections working as if they came out of a switch or router), 4 wires can be enough *if* you know which 4 wires to connect and how to connect them. So the "design team" reports to the uncle that it only sorta works, but the uncle owes his sibling or in-law (in other words, one if not both of the nephew's parents) a favor, so he says "that's okay, we'll just put an asterisk and some small print on it. Since the lawyers say that's good enough for our pharmaceutical, food processing, and cosmetics businesses..."
@JJFX-
@JJFX- Жыл бұрын
@@reed-young Look, I'm not arguing with you or trying to defend it. I'm beyond tired of all these lazy Chinese resellers trying to cash in on selling crap to people who don't know better. All I'm saying is that splitting the pairs does severely limit bandwidth with the trade-off of allowing two simultaneous connections. Most people would prefer this option but I don't have a problem with the other being marketed correctly. There are cases one might prefer full speed to one device at a time and it's difficult to run power to a switch. However I'd agree most these sellers are just lazy, incompetent or simply didn't even test the product they're buying for pennies on the dollar.
@Nik930714
@Nik930714 Жыл бұрын
This is actually build pretty robustly. Shame that all the engineering time went into the case design and non went into electrical design.
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
Well...They actually do work! Linus is wrong with this video. Collision detection is built into the Ethernet spec. There was a time when you'd buy Hubs instead of Switches.
@majorfallacy5926
@majorfallacy5926 Жыл бұрын
@@cyberpass i remember playing lan games over an old hub in the early 2010s. Piece of shit barely worked. Still some of the most fun we've had as kids.
@Nik930714
@Nik930714 Жыл бұрын
@@cyberpass Really? This can work? In that case I have a dumb question - why didn't it on the laptops in the video?
@5at5una
@5at5una Жыл бұрын
@@cyberpass did you skipped the video or what.. he did said it work.. but with a huge asterisk of "one at a time not at the same time"
@SAMarcus
@SAMarcus Жыл бұрын
@@Nik930714 For this particular one to work, the best option would be one of the devices being on a crossover cable or cables that are already set up for only 4 wire which they do make. I have one sitting on my desk right now that came with my Phillips Hub. They do make legit splitters that do the same as what Linus showed with their homemade one using 4 wires per connection. The problem is with the very poor QA in many places that can't turn around and rip these bad ones apart and fix them, so they sell them off cheap to unsuspecting techno-noobs.
@paolocanali3361
@paolocanali3361 Жыл бұрын
We installed the properly wired splitter a lot in the mid 2000s. It was useful when a electrical outlet was not available at the far end to power a ethernet hub, or when cost-saving measures were required. Today there are cheap PoE powered 4-ports switches and even managed routers for this purpose.
@David_Quinn1995
@David_Quinn1995 Жыл бұрын
its amazing how affordable a proper switch is and these horrible spliters are still around.
@kylek29
@kylek29 Жыл бұрын
We did this a lot around that time as well for when we needed another network port but pulling another line was not feasible and the reduced speed you get by using half the pairs (per device) was not detrimental.
@Sykon64
@Sykon64 Жыл бұрын
We used them too, years ago. To send two networks over one cable, because we didn’t have managed switches with vlans that time.
@atomicagegamer3693
@atomicagegamer3693 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the passive feature (no outlet needed) would be useful. Even if a switch only draws a few watts, why keep it powered 24/7/365 if your Internet connection is 100mbps or less.
@Ghostshaw
@Ghostshaw Жыл бұрын
To be clear, whether a signal is analog or digital doesn't influence whether a splitter can work. The deciding factor is whether or not its a two-way protocol. To give an example, the DMX-512 protocol, can be split just fine (in fact passthrough is the basis of the whole protocol). It goes a bit further than that, there are two-way protocols that can be split just fine like phone lines, it all depends on the design of the protocol, whether or not its sequential/serial in nature mostly.
@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips2285 Жыл бұрын
People in the comments pointing out CS/CD is one such protocol.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Жыл бұрын
It's the physical layer that's the issue in this situation which is why you can use a dumb hub and it works fine.
@ElijahCiali
@ElijahCiali Жыл бұрын
The problem here isn’t even that it’s a two-way protocol. DMX is also a two-way protocol. The difference is that those are engineered to have multiple nodes communicating over the same line and thus can functionally time the data for each fixture (using addresses, universes, etc)
@Ghostshaw
@Ghostshaw Жыл бұрын
It is indeed a lot more complex. Putting all of it in a comment would have made it convoluted. The main point being that analog vs digital is not really relevant like stated in the video. In fact digital signals can be more suitable for splitting since they are less affected by signal degredation.
@jarzez
@jarzez Жыл бұрын
When I was about 12 or so, and didn't understand these concepts, I searched for ethernet splitters in order to use my Xbox and PC on the same cable. Luckily I got one that was setup in the same way as the one you made! And this was way before anyone worried about any 100mbit connections, so I would never even have noticed the drop in speed. Worked great for my usage!
@astron800
@astron800 Жыл бұрын
I know I wouldn’t notice. Speeds here in Jamaica are on average 70mb/s, it’s a good day if we reach 148. So I definitely won’t notice anything wrong with my speeds.
@agowa338
@agowa338 Жыл бұрын
At 3:10 they forgot to talk about hubs. And about the "The transmission pins on the sending device need to connect to the receiving pins on the other end" part, most network cards allow to switch the RX and TX pins internally automatically (or when did you last use a crossover cable to connect two devices directly together?) 😉
@jamesdlin7
@jamesdlin7 Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that such a splitter *would* be useful for PoE cases where the Ethernet cables are used solely for power. Also, I wouldn't say that splitting doesn't work for Ethernet because of analog vs. digital but because all endpoints for Ethernet are *active* (and not passive like headphones). You'd have similar problems with analog signals if you tried to use a headphone splitter in reverse as an attempt to mix two audio signals; ultimately the problem is that one device is trying to set the voltage of a wire to X while another device is trying to set the voltage on the same wire to Y, making nobody happy.
@TheZoraman
@TheZoraman Жыл бұрын
What's a PoE case?
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 Жыл бұрын
Well said
@jipeh
@jipeh Жыл бұрын
@@TheZoraman Path of Exiles build
@jamesdlin7
@jamesdlin7 Жыл бұрын
@@TheZoraman I meant "useful for power-over-Ethernet situations", not "cases" as in physical boxes.
@TheZoraman
@TheZoraman Жыл бұрын
@@jipeh As an avid path of exile player that's all I could read it as lol
@JL_421
@JL_421 Жыл бұрын
It seems like the documentation for the original splitter is wrong. If they've wired it like described, you'd only want the adapter on one side. A switch like you connected to would likely disable the ports since you effectively connected them directly together. CSMA/CD would effectively mean the client devices are connected to a passive hub like we used to do back in the days of vampire taps. Your link speed would probably negotiate at either 10 or 100 half duplex, and overall performance would drop through the floor depending on how much traffic you were trying to push, but it *should* work. You could even keep branching them out as far as you wanted, but performance would drop for every additional device you added to the tree.
@garmack12
@garmack12 Жыл бұрын
There are actually old proper Ethernet hubs from when switches were more expensive. They were used a lot in industrial applications because they were relatively low bandwidth. They did however use electronic repeaters instead of just tying terminals together. The downside is that without switching there was a lot of packets being destroyed by two devices transmitting at the same time.
@shadowpenguin3482
@shadowpenguin3482 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I am actually very confused why this did not work. Ethernet spec has the back off when a device notices other devices talking, so it should actually work with multiple devices (although with worse ping if all devices are talking at the same time)
@shadowpenguin3482
@shadowpenguin3482 Жыл бұрын
The technique was called CSMA/CD, but apparently it was deprecated in 2011
@codahighland
@codahighland Жыл бұрын
Deprecated. Huh. Who knew?
@TheInsomniaddict
@TheInsomniaddict Жыл бұрын
@@shadowpenguin3482 If you set the NICs to half duplex you think it'd still work? EDIT: ah nevermind, I read the LTT comment. Even if you enforced CSMA/CD the cable is still wired improperly.
@TallinuTV
@TallinuTV Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking, “that’s how the Ethernet spec was supposed to work!!! Y U No Work???” … Deprecated. Seems like that’s something all those sources maybe should’ve mentioned.
@jeffturabaz887
@jeffturabaz887 Жыл бұрын
These splitters do make sense if you break it down a certain way. For example, if you deal with gaming and have multiple game consoles, you can theoretically connect 2 devices with the splitter. Since normally you would have one screen and tend to power off the console not being used, the console that is turned on should pick up the internet signal and work. You can buy a switch, a router, or what ever but at the end you have one tv/monitor and only playing with one device at a time.
@justaguycalledjosh
@justaguycalledjosh Жыл бұрын
thing is, a lot of modern devices still run networking when on standby, it'd need a full no-power situation. and if misconfigured to bridge certain connectors, may still fail.
@jeradw7420
@jeradw7420 Жыл бұрын
They also make sense as diagrammed. His little test setup may have had a bad product or he bought from a scam company but that doesn't mean there aren't devices out there. There are "splitters" that do split one cable into 2 separate 4 wire connections and both can be active at the same time. You have to have 2 ports on a switch to one splitter and the 2 devices on the other. You will need a pair and they should come as a set if they are legit.
@oleurgast730
@oleurgast730 Жыл бұрын
@@jeradw7420 It's neither a scam nor a bad product. It's a splitter for ISDN network, not for ethernet. It's simply the wrong product. What you describe correctly is an ethernet splitter. Sometimes exact wording is important. Neither "network splitter" nor "RJ45 splitter" means anything. You need to know if it's an ethernet or an ISDN/S0-Bus splitter. Obviously the product in the video is the ISDN/S0 splitter.
@grn1
@grn1 Жыл бұрын
@@oleurgast730 He addressed the fact that some of the Network Splitters are somewhat legit (you're still better off buying a switch as they are cheaper, safer, and properly share bandwidth) but the way the one he bought (and many, many others) are advertised say nothing about being ISDN/S0-Bus splitters. They simply claim to be Network Splitters and considering the age of Amazon it's not like these are some ancient product entries built before modern networking standards. Even if they've accidentally created a somewhat legitimate product for really old, niche systems the intent of the sellers is obviously to scam people who don't know any better. Even someone who's fairly knowledgeable about computers could make the mistake of buying a splitter thinking it had some actual logic to it.
@jgal7979
@jgal7979 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous that LTT is accepting sponsorships from dropshipping websites now.
@rowan5075
@rowan5075 Жыл бұрын
@Tajl3r they do decline some sponsorships, in fact a lot of them.
@ba177ba18
@ba177ba18 22 күн бұрын
y the F you care??? 😂
@Avenga76
@Avenga76 Жыл бұрын
You used to be able to buy splitters wired exactly like the one that you made. I used them a lot in the early 2000's when network switches and hubs were too expensive, and most house wiring only had one cable to each room. Back then everything was 100BaseTX anyway so you weren't losing anything. The brand I used to use had the wiring diagram on a label on the side of the splitter so you could make sure you had the right ones.
@masswebdrop2453
@masswebdrop2453 Жыл бұрын
i was pretty sure my buddy had a splitter in high school and it worked fine. Glad you commented. This was '04.
@manvydaspletkus3874
@manvydaspletkus3874 Жыл бұрын
I used a couple of such splitters a couple years ago. You can still buy those from reputable electronics shops
@theAessaya
@theAessaya Жыл бұрын
I'm quite familiar with this kind of splitters (the ones Linus built) -- we often used them in the university dormitories in rooms for three people that were only wired for two ethernet jacks. Split it up, boop-a-dee-doo and you've got three for the price of two. Or even four! And since the ethernet was 100 mbps back then anyways, nobody minded at all.
@jec6613
@jec6613 Жыл бұрын
Came to the comments just to post about this. The $50 splitters were also quite a money spinner for the bookstore - and in our case the dorms were wired for single jacks back when it was only expected one person would have a computer. There were even a few switches that were designed for this, 3Com if I recall, where you could configure the odd ports on a switch to carry the signal from the adjacent even port on the switch, so simplify install.
@isaackvasager9957
@isaackvasager9957 Жыл бұрын
But now a days...$9 switch works better and is cheaper.
@RandomKSandom
@RandomKSandom Жыл бұрын
I second this. I used splitters like these that actually worked 15-20 years ago. Working ones do exist, although given Amazon's current trajectory, I'm not surprised that scams are so prevalent now.
@Keepone974
@Keepone974 Жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 Back in 2010 I literally just used a switch bought for 10 USD used... So yeah lol
@jec6613
@jec6613 Жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 Not in a university, you have to have port-level logging enabled in the dorms for compliance reasons, at least if the university is following the law, so the only switch allowed would be a university managed one, which are many hundreds of dollars.
@Aurulent
@Aurulent Жыл бұрын
bro i love how in every video this man makes a perfectly smooth segway into the sponser
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly from my CompSci degree, these things (while still useless) should work if you plug in just one, as they function exactly like a hub and thanks to backwards compatibility of ethernet with CSMA/CD (Carrier Sende Multiple Acces with Collision Detection). Have you tested this? This would've been an awesome inclusion in the video.
@spicybaguette7706
@spicybaguette7706 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was wondering why it didn't work, maybe the router/NICs don't support CSMA/CD anymore? Hubs used to be pretty common from what I've heard
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon Жыл бұрын
@@spicybaguette7706 I think it's because they used two dongles and that way the two ports where on the same switch - most switches will shut down the connection in that case.
@belgarion514
@belgarion514 Жыл бұрын
CSMA/CD is only on half-duplex connections, I had similar "splitters" back in the day and it worked fine for 10Mbit/s half duplex. (but used only a single "splitter")
@snapstromegon
@snapstromegon Жыл бұрын
It's even better: There's a techquickie mentioning Hubs, that tells you that this thing should work like I described: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJSUZ3Z5dqatbbM
@kreuner11
@kreuner11 Жыл бұрын
It only works if TX goes to RX of the other plug (with diode) as well as to the TX of the output cable, and RX of output cable is connected to both (also with diode to prevent back feeding from the other port) This tells the two devices when one is using the cable already The wiring here is incorrect and doesn't allow this behavior
@mr.onions
@mr.onions Жыл бұрын
For nostalgia and a complete picture: in Europe similiar splitters were common to split a 4x2pair wire into 100Base Ethernet on pins 1236 and ISDN S0-bus on pins 3456. As ISDN was a bus you also could actually run up tp four devices (i.e. telephones) simultaniously on such "split rivers", but only middle pins 3456 were ever used.
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK Жыл бұрын
Still seeing some customers who have those horrid splitters in their inventory. Since Fax won't die out entirely in germany, there are still people with genuine 90s Fax machines and these splitters.
@kh-ro5su
@kh-ro5su Жыл бұрын
​@@KR4FTW3RK fax is still commonly used in many parts of the world due to its reliability. it's very common in the medical field, for example, because it's possible to fax data over good old copper wires with less risk of failure (power or internet outages, internal networking failures etc). plus, it allows different organizations and technologies to reliably communicate with each other as it's such a long used method. another factor is that it's very cheap. fax machines are very simple, whereas modern hardware and software can get very pricy. i guess another benefit is ease of use: you just need a number, papers and a machine which can allow for anyone to easily use them without needing training. however it's slowly being phased out these days, mostly due to the burden of needing to redigitize records into more modern internal systems and the costs associated with that
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK Жыл бұрын
@@kh-ro5su ah yes the thought of billions of medical records being transmitted entirely unencrypted. lovely.
@kh-ro5su
@kh-ro5su Жыл бұрын
@@KR4FTW3RK yeah it's a weird thing. on one hand it is secure in the sense that it is using phone lines rather than internet. you would essentially need to hijack an existing number - which isn't hard...open up any telephone junction in your neighbourhood, attach some alligator clips, a device and you can listen/make calls like phone phreakers used to do as well as send and receive faxes (though they often need passwords) using a number that isn't yours. it's also far less susceptible to abuse because very few people are going to bother anymore. for example, someone could hijack a fax line and start receiving prescriptions and attempt to fill them at a pharmacy. but despite how long and how much fax has been used in healthcare, you don't really hear of much abuse - mostly because there's very little point. there's not much reason to want some strangers medical records or to risk charges using someone else's prescriptions. it's why despite its insecurity, you rarely hear about abuse. but yeah it's time to pivot away from the technology at this point, it'll just take time due to the complexity of healthcare related information technology
@KR4FTW3RK
@KR4FTW3RK Жыл бұрын
@@kh-ro5su I think fax as a technology is absolutely fine but the implementation with these fax machines is icky to me. I work in IT services and analog fax machines are impossible to troubleshoot from afar. In the days where all the communication a customer does goes via firewalls and managed switches over RJ45 to every workspace, I don't want some analog fax machine sitting in the corner, doing critical work for the customer. Its nonconformity to everything else is a big part of the problem. I'd get a software based fax... there are tons of them.
@tomwilson2112
@tomwilson2112 Жыл бұрын
You can actually passively split 10Base-T connections, but it requires a set of diodes between each port and the trunk. Basically, the diodes cross connect the transmit of each computer to the receiver of the other. And since this is technically a passive hub, the systems have a built in technique that prevents them from talking over each other. I used to have one that I took all over the country with me as I worked on system installs.
@mtx33
@mtx33 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Absolute barbaric, abusing the voltage drop trough the diodes to prevent feeding back to your own RX, but still high enough voltage to sense the other two end. Back in the time I've built similar contraption, with using two cards in one machine bridged together to get 4-5 machines in a shared 10Mbps half-duplex network. It was used in multiple lan parties playing Quake and UT. Bunch of soldered wires and splices, looked like a bad sci-fi prop.
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 Жыл бұрын
@@mtx33 no it doesn't work like that way unless you don't know what you're talking about.
@mtx33
@mtx33 Жыл бұрын
@@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 with all due respect, please read about passive ethernet hub design with anti-parallel diodes. it's working with exactly 3 ports per adapter(obviously not stackable). The signals are not in 10Base-T spec, but still within tolerance. The trick is to create two "rings" with the RX/TX pairs on the positive and the negative side separately with ati-parallel diodes. The schematic follows A,B,C the computers, equal sign represents the diode pairs. Positive ring (pin 1,3) : =TX+(A) =RX+(B) =TX+(C) =RX+(A) =TX+(B) =RX+(C)= and back to TX+(A)= . Negative side (pin 2,6): =TX-(A) = RX-(B) =TX-(C) =RX-(A) =TX-(B) =RX-(C)= and back to TX-(A). There is an excellent video by Clifford Long here in YT kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJyrpoKop8SKhM0
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148
@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 Жыл бұрын
@@mtx33 not it won't work either. It could be possible in the past. But these connectors aren't wired correctly. The transistor pins of receiver end and source aren't the same lane connection. It won't work in million.
@mtx33
@mtx33 Жыл бұрын
@@mdkhalidhasannahid4148 sure, tell me it didn't worked and i just imagined using it or all the people used the similar adapters. And the linked video is fake too. All 10Base-T compatible card should handle this arrangement. There are no direct transistor connections in twisted pair ethernet, but Ac coupler/isolating transformers between the negative and positive pairs. The whole purpose of this arrangement to prevent your computer to "hear" itself while sending data (by attenuating the voltage levels smaller than the threshold of the comparators inside the PHY), all the other collisions are handled by CSMA/CD in the spec. Honestly I don't know, why are you still arguing.
@rogo7330
@rogo7330 8 ай бұрын
You CAN connect two Ethernet devices to the same cable - that was almost the whole purpose of the Ethernet protocol. But it works in half-duplex mode and introduces collisions which need to be resolved, which hurts the speed as oppose to full-duplex point-to-point setup which we almost always see nowadays where only two Ethernet ports connected via single wire.
@eto6197
@eto6197 Жыл бұрын
Back in the early 2000s these adapters (correctly wired ones) were used a lot. Gigabit was no requirement yet and those adapters helped to use one cable for two devices. E.g. digital phones (ISDN) + Ethernet could be sent over the same cable. Even today it can be useful if you (for some reason) need an analogue phone line and wired network but have only a single spare cable. I could use a pair of those adapters (still from the early 2000s) to connect my phone and my computer although there was only a single ethernet cable available.
@zeero4ever
@zeero4ever Жыл бұрын
I also still have 3 or 4 pairs of these (correctly wired) splitters around. In my old rented flat they were ok to dual use a network cable for a tv box and a PS4. Internet speeds above 100Mbit are sadly still on the rarer side in germany, so that's an OK compromise. In my newly built house everything of course has proper CAT7 ethernet, but I'll keep these things around. Printers and phones will never (in the forseeable future ;-) ) need 100+ MBit speeds.
@Abion47
@Abion47 Жыл бұрын
Most people who pay for gigabit internet in their homes are leaving a ton of bandwidth on the table the vast majority of the time. Outside of WFH or NAS applications, generally the only real reason to have gigabit speeds in a home device that most people will care about is to be able to brag about how fast their games are downloading. Even 4K streaming doesn't even come close to saturating a gigabit connection. I can see these adapters still being entirely relevant today, especially in older homes and apartments that aren't wired for gigabit anyway.
@Xantiem
@Xantiem Жыл бұрын
My house uses this now XD Although they are RJ45 jacks not ethernet
@maxking3
@maxking3 Жыл бұрын
100Base-T only uses 4 of the 8 wires in a Cat-Cable . We regularly use these splitters for Surveillance Cameras and SONOS Speakers in commercial installs You connect the first splitter with 2 cables to your switch. (Remember, it just routes the 4 used wires for each connection to the “left & right” within the 8 wires of the >Cat5 installation cable in the building. On the other end, the 2nd splitter routes the 8-wire “left & right” to the 4 wires used by the 100Base-T connection for each of the 2 device connectors. There you plug-in your left & right Sonos speakers and enjoy having both of them wired through a single cable in the ceiling. It’s shocking that Linus could not figure it out, but that’s what makes him just a clown compared to MKBHD.
@karlkaufman2659
@karlkaufman2659 Жыл бұрын
"just a clown" ... I've now watched 2 videos by him (this one and a MoCA & Powerline install at "Colton's") and I'm stunned at the superficial, sketchy coverage. It doesn't give me any confidence that I should use any LTT videos to learn about topics with which I'm *not* actually familiar.
@animefanrk2k
@animefanrk2k Жыл бұрын
This is something I figured out the hard way 20 years ago when I had to figure out a ethernet-based internet solution with one wire for me and little sister's PCs. My ultimate solution was to connect my little sis's PC to mine and get internet that way her for PC. It was slow, but we did manage to play games online at the same time, especially since we went from dial-up to cable modem. Good times.
@r4z0r84
@r4z0r84 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I did the same when I was 12, ended up doing modem to my PC then crossover cable to my sister's PC so we could both share dialup 😂
@Pyrogman245
@Pyrogman245 Жыл бұрын
Auto DS seems sus. Having the word “dropshipping” on your front page is a huge red flag to me
@SkedgyEdgy
@SkedgyEdgy 3 ай бұрын
@@Pyrogman245 -- dude drop shopping is an actual thing that people do outside of TikTok scams it literally just means you don't store your own inventory
@SkedgyEdgy
@SkedgyEdgy 3 ай бұрын
-- drop shopping literally just means you don't store your own inventory and rely on another company to ship things out for you, acting like drop shipping scams define all of drop shipping is like calling gift cards a scam because of gift card fraud
@8b2M
@8b2M 3 ай бұрын
​@@SkedgyEdgy it's getting to the point where the good ones feel like the odd ones out. Drop shippers are 90% of the scams I see online these days easy. Even if the scams aren't that bad they bypass important regulations and allow people to pose as companies with zero liability or accountability. Like that cat litter box that decapitates cats. Ive seen them trying to drop ship medical resuscitation devices. Consumer rights and protections are there for a reason. There's a reason why its expensive to register and insure a legitimate company and people still do it.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Жыл бұрын
A new thought occurred to me. I have actually used this successfully. I do remember reading that it technically violates the ethernet spec, primarily in that it may introduce crosstalk in very long lines, reducing the 100 meter maximum. In practice, I’ve used it to about 25m. Ad in most hacks, your mileage may vary.
@Rik.B
@Rik.B Жыл бұрын
I was using the 'correct' splitters back in the 90's, the same type you made, they where available from our local trade supply. the newer style of one computer or the other was available too, but pretty useless in a corporate environment. I must of installed at least 1000 of those splitters in places where we where not given enough time to re-run new cables.
@irn_pacifist
@irn_pacifist Жыл бұрын
Minor correction. Being digital does not mean you can't use a splitter. There are many bus-based digital interfaces that you could split like this, like I2C or ARINC. The issue with Ethernet is that it is point-to-point. The protocol expects 2 and only 2 devices on the line, so adding more doesn't work. There are analog and digital lines that are P2P and analog and digital lines that are bus based. Being analog or digital doesn't matter.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Жыл бұрын
Digital is just a specialized case of analog anyway.
@maverickbna
@maverickbna Жыл бұрын
@@chaos.corner ? Explain, please!
@SirVellen
@SirVellen Жыл бұрын
@@maverickbna analog signal in some order called digital 0/1 in cable are some voltage turned on and off
@dismuter_yt
@dismuter_yt Жыл бұрын
It's not a minor correction though, it's a pretty important one.
@jotch_7627
@jotch_7627 Жыл бұрын
​@@maverickbna the only difference between "analog" and "digital" signals is how we decide to interpret them at either end. along the wire, it's just a signal. and as mentioned, the ends can interpret that signal as something like a P2P connection or something more akin to a bus, regardless of its analogyness or digitalyness
@JeremyCulbreath
@JeremyCulbreath Жыл бұрын
That "splitter" device might actually work if you set your network ports to half-duplex. Since half-duplex would turn on CSMA/CD, it would be a junction hub. I've not used half-duplex in years, so I'm not 100% sure. But if I remember correctly, it should work. Also, split pairs have been used for year in telephony. 4 pairs meant that multiple 2-wire or 4-wire analog phones could go down a single Cat5. Made wiring PBX systems to office pods quicker and cheaper. Of course, VOIP made all that obsolete. And I absolutely would not go back, VOIP is superior in almost every way.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott Жыл бұрын
Half duplex still used 2 pairs.
@jdgmeester
@jdgmeester Жыл бұрын
I think you are missing one important thing there: For half duplex / CSMA/CD to kick in, you need two devices sending at the same time, to another one that is listening. This involves a bunch of diodes to get wring correct, or an (active) ethernet Hub.
@alsmamfkm5182
@alsmamfkm5182 Жыл бұрын
@@jdgmeester Not sure if CSMA/CD would work on differential signals. Old shared-medium ethernet standards used coax and single-ended signals, and these were 10BASE-something. For CSMA/CD to work properly, there is minimum packet length (transmission time) requirement for a cable run of given length, which makes it impractical at higher speeds.
@Mikej1592
@Mikej1592 Жыл бұрын
I remember when cat5 first came out and the company i was working for was going around upgrading people's old coax and one I cant remember with like BNC connectors and even some 25 pin cables in short runs to newer cat 5 setups. The key to the cat5 working is the fact each colored pair is twisted at different rates effectively making each colors run a slightly different length and would have very small but detectable lag time differences as well as resistances. This is how we tested runs were done correctly, the tester ran a timed signal along each line and if it didn't get the pulses in the right timed order then the run was a fail and we needed to pull another line or resolve the issue. Which was typically an end terminal was punched down wrong because for some reason the guy related to the boss who was color blind was allowed to install the wall jacks. (If I'm wrong in this please forgive me, this is how it was explained to me by the bosses nephew that was my partner for many jobs. funny how when it came time to reduce head count the only guy not related to the owner was the first to get canned)
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson Жыл бұрын
I love that you recall this so vividly. I always grin a little bit when I am terminating any CAT cable, because I know the very act of doing so innately introduces one more point of failure, complexity and latency. 😈
@Mikej1592
@Mikej1592 Жыл бұрын
@@LordSirNelson hehe, I have a weird memory, can't remember where I left my keys, important notes for work, but I remember that time I was in the ceiling at Macy's needing to splice cat5 because the guy I was working with didn't listen to me and pulled too short a run then made me climb up in that hot ceiling because I was the newbie to splice that which shouldn't be spliced. That probably connected the 1 bad register that always had issues with the credit card machine LOL. While you are reminding me of this, and failure points. One failure point using too long a run with cheap routers. cheap router + cheap network card + cheap 1000' cat5 spool = why cant I make a 50' patch cable. lol.
@LordSirNelson
@LordSirNelson Жыл бұрын
@@Mikej1592Let me guess, also too cheap to even consider at least a partial PoE to give it at least the slightest chance of developing sufficient signal strength to be reliable? It always amazes me how people love to fuss about their network performance but when you get into it you find that they did things like...IDK, build their antennas too short to ever reach their intended targets (hat-tip salute to #LTT 😉), never run regular systems checks or at least consider routine preventative cabling checks or maintenance. On the other hand, these same folks also seem to be incapable of keeping their hands off fiber implantations, and are always wondering why their performance is degrading quicker than expected. “It’s call Entropy and it’s accelerating because you can’t keep your damn dirty paws off the cables and terminals. Ya damn dirty apes.”
@baky5372
@baky5372 Жыл бұрын
So it's very interesting that this is what was taught to you. The wires do have varying lengths and here is the reason why. When sending electrical signals down a copper wire, it is susceptible to something known as electromagnetic interference. Electromagnetic interference occurs when two electromagnetic fields occupy the same space and then the signals may cross over from one field to the other. Inside of an ethernet wire, there are several wires and there are electrical currents (and subsequently electrical fields) flowing through each one. To minimize the amount they talk to each other, manufacturers of etherent cable use 2 techniques. The first is they twist the cables. The twisting causes the electrical current to shift in polarity on every twist effectively recreating its own signal multiple times over and over again. The second is that they twist them at slightly different rates. This is so the polarity shifts are never perfectly synchronized across the different pairs. The side effect of twisting the wires at different rates is that the wires are then slightly different lengths
@scottnelson1664
@scottnelson1664 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong here, because I am not an electrical engineer, but the manipulation of the wires via twisting creates resistance in a manner that becomes virtually self-regulating for quite some time. Meaning the intentional asymmetrical twisting makes use of EMI to create resistance throughout the entire cable. No? If not, then I too could benefit from how there is a functional difference between one philosophy and what is proposed as a different school of thought. To my layperson understanding, one is simply the more concise explanation featuring the outcome as the focus, while the other focuses on the methodology-while both produce the same outcome.
@davidgriffin79
@davidgriffin79 Жыл бұрын
2:39 It'll also lower the impedance presented to the headphone amplifier quite significantly if multiple low impedance headphones share a single headphone jack (assuming all headphones are connected in parallel); this could cause the amp's protection circuit to kick in or (if there isn't any protection) damage the amp.
@M_Jaggard
@M_Jaggard Жыл бұрын
Also importantly it will not decrease the volume which the video says it will. The amp will work harder but unless it fails due to impedance decrease, it won't be quieter. Most headphone amps can support quite a few in my experience.
@KarthikeyanDuraivel
@KarthikeyanDuraivel Жыл бұрын
what if you connect the headphone in series?
@mylesmmm
@mylesmmm Жыл бұрын
@@KarthikeyanDuraivelthinking of how to achieve this…maybe mono works and that will affect volume I believe
@HannibalLecter-w3r
@HannibalLecter-w3r Жыл бұрын
@@M_Jaggard pretty much all headphone amps i've seen use protection resistors, or they would burn if: 1) it's not fully plugged and shorts signal to ground 2) jack is detected 3) some music is playing obviously it will become quieter with resistance in series
@xyphos915
@xyphos915 Жыл бұрын
Dropshipping sponsor ? Wtf
@svenhoffmann5840
@svenhoffmann5840 Жыл бұрын
Hey Linus, nice video. Thou I want to clarify that there are in fact many real spliitters on Amazon that are wired just as you hacked your splitter. I work as a electrican in Germany and can tell you that I see those splitters quite often used. Especially if you have one outlet and want to connect a landline phone as well as a printer for example. If you have a bigger infrastructure and don't want any devices which would need extra power, could lower your network security or are a point of failure and you don't need the transfer speed (e.g. phone and printer) it's for sure a valid option (e.g. kwmobile, they even printed the wiring diagram on the connectors)
@fitybux4664
@fitybux4664 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Not everything plugging into an RJ45 jack is using the Ethernet protocol. RJ11 can plug into RJ45. (As can many hobbyist projects.)
@jeffthomas3707
@jeffthomas3707 Жыл бұрын
I run 2 Internet Splitters purchased from Amazon, very similar to the one at the start of this video, and I have no issues at all.
@allyouneedtoknow8135
@allyouneedtoknow8135 Жыл бұрын
4:32 perfect safety shown by Linus, using a mini circular saw and cutting TOWARDS his hand, and getting about 2cm away from it.
@d.charlespyle
@d.charlespyle Жыл бұрын
I used one of those a couple of decades ago when I did IT in the California college system. It actually did work, and I used two computers at the same time. I was pleasantly surprised. But it died about six months after I started using it. Afterward, I took it apart and found a small circuit board inside, with actual electronics.
@johnhmstr
@johnhmstr Жыл бұрын
This is one of those things everyone who did networking and phone systems in the 90's and early 2000's knew of and did. The catch was when you encountered someone who had split out the pairs (or worst of all randomly selected wires) in a custom way and you had to test or trace them out. :-( lesson learned from this pain. Leave notes understandable by the next guy on the inside of the panel or on a label.
@beardymcbeardface69
@beardymcbeardface69 Жыл бұрын
Tell me about it! When these were incorrectly wired, split the pairs and then connected to long runs, the error rates reported by the switch were through the roof! But of course the guy who made it insisted that it was correct, because he tested it with one of those super cheap DC based continuity testers, which cannot find split pair problems because it just tests for continuity and not SNR with balanced AC signals etc. LOL
@thebaker8637
@thebaker8637 Жыл бұрын
... cause the next guy's gonna be you. :)
@froggacuda1605
@froggacuda1605 8 ай бұрын
When we built the addition to our house, the electricians offered to run and wire up all our Cat 5 cables drops (about 28 total drops). Their price was reasonable so I showed them where in the utility room I planned to put the patch panel and needed all the cables to be run to. When they told me they had finished, I discovered they had ignored my instructions and had daisy-chained all of the wiring between each drop as if it was telephone cable. They adamantly refused to fix it insisting that this is how they do it every time and no one had ever complained
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
THESE DO ACTUALLY WORK! Collision detection is built into the Ethernet spec! Yes... They may be somewhat obsolete but I'm pretty sure your network still supports it! Com'on Linus! This video doesn't show us the complete picture!
@minemonbies
@minemonbies Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was really annoyed when they never even mentioned CSMA/CD. Seems like they needed one of the more technical writers on this one.
@kevincox
@kevincox Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. These are "hubs" as opposed to "switches". I do wonder why it didn't work. One guess is that the switch had some sort of loop detection and shut down the ports? However the two devices should have seen each other (assuming that they support auto-crossover which IIRC is now required for gigabit and above devices). I'm not familiar with Windows networking but maybe "No Connection" was referring to the inability to get an IP address (as there is no DHCP server on that two device network)? However there is one major problem with the wiring diagrams shown, it makes no sense to plug in two ports from one side into the same switch. In fact I suspect that if you used the splitter on one end and just plugged the wire on the other end into the switch directly it probably would have worked (or just left one of two wires from the splitter unplugged). That wouldn't have triggered any loop detection on the switch and should have worked properly with collision detection. (of course it will get very slow if both devices are trying to transmit at the same time as there will be backoffs and retries, but receiving should be fine)
@Broken_Mesh
@Broken_Mesh Жыл бұрын
honestly, today was the day I actually found out that ethernet has CSMA/CD. I know they had something like CSMA/CA but i thought is was some rarely use thing.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Жыл бұрын
No they don't. Collision is built into the protocol but the only thing that works remotely like this is coaxial. You need a hub at minimum for joining multiple devices this way otherwise hubs would not have been a thing.
@insu_na
@insu_na Жыл бұрын
@@Broken_Mesh it is a rarely used thing, pretty much obsolete now that networks are fully switched and use full duplex communication, but back in the day we had to use hubs if we were poor but wanted internet 🤣
@user-rf47CwB72
@user-rf47CwB72 Жыл бұрын
Linus just found out about the passive ethernet hub (layer one of the OSI model). Keep learning, Linus!
@cyberpass
@cyberpass Жыл бұрын
Well...seems like he didn't learn much. Completely ignored the fact that Layer 1 tech was the norm 20 years ago. The ubiquitous WRT54G even used a basic hub.
@maverickbna
@maverickbna Жыл бұрын
@@cyberpass Wait, it wasn't a switch? Are you *really* sure?
@noahluppe
@noahluppe Жыл бұрын
@@maverickbna I am pretty sure it IS a switch. If I remember from my OpenWRT flashing adventures some years ago.
@Umbruspatior
@Umbruspatior Жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that if he had only used one and a cross over cable it should have worked out of the box if half duplex is even still supported on consumer grade switches these days.
@drizitgaming
@drizitgaming Жыл бұрын
​@maverickbna it was definitely a switch. That's not to say some early home routers didn't have a hub I remember selling one model of GVC that used a hub. However that was before any router supported wifi, in fact that old GVC had a serial port so you could share a dial up connection with an external modem. (It wasn't even configured for fail over, you had to pick, ppp, ppoe, dhcp, or static)
@TheoLubbe
@TheoLubbe Жыл бұрын
As a teen during my LANning years, the staple LAN was the 'Organised Chaos' one held by two brothers who'd attended the 'Springbok LANs' before that. Starting out with building their hardware etc, as a cost-saving measure they would run a single CAT4 cable from a hub or switch to a given table, intended for only two computers. In this way they were able to utilize only half the cables to support 100+ 'man' LANs pretty quickly, which you can imagine in the early 2000s was still a pretty significant cost-savings for highschoolers.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of CAT4 cable being used for Ethernet (or anything else). The first cable type was CAT3 for 10 Mb, then CAT5 for 100Mb & Gb.
@SodalisUK
@SodalisUK Жыл бұрын
Not all splitters are wired wrong. I bought a pair for exactly this purpose and they worked just great. We even run proper PoE for one of these connections over the splitter (because they use the same wires). Older semi-official PoE uses spare wires and won't work over the splitters.
@nathnathn
@nathnathn Жыл бұрын
Brings to mind the old days of using co-ax networking. Just add a double adapter fitting to add another PC. It was much easier “atleast in my experience” to get working at times also much easier for long run’s. Used to have family living next door so we had a co-ax line set up linking both houses into one network.
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, especially thick coax vampire plugs. Work as it says on the tin - it bites into existing coax cable to connect another PC to it - and all of connected computers can communicate with each other. This was the original intent and meaning behind "Ethernet" name - it's a network connected to "aether" meaning everyone connected to everyone.
@grn1
@grn1 Жыл бұрын
@@jwhite5008 I've heard about those vampire plugs before but have never seen one in person. Unfortunately having every system able to talk to and listen in like that also severely limits the potential speed of the network/causes latency issues (presumably the same reason we don't use backplanes anymore). It would also be a security nightmare even within a residential setting (IOT devices are bad enough with the relatively secure standards we use today). That does remind me of a certain infamous story about a message that got sent to almost everyone on the early internet. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the right search terms to bring it up but as I recall someone sent a command in an early computer asking his coworkers to roast him thinking the command would send the message to everyone on his local network but it actually sent the message to everyone on the HOST file which was basically the entire internet at the time. I think they were using Sun Micros but it's been a long time since I've heard the story so I don't really remember the details. Pretty sure I heard the story told on ComputerPhile.
@evangelicalcatholics
@evangelicalcatholics Жыл бұрын
At my seminary I worked in the IT office while a student. When we need quick, temporary connections and didn't want to get switches, we would use splitters like this. I don't remember where the IT manager got them, but they were not cheap. We had like 5 sets. They came in handy but yeah, just a 4-port switch would have been easier.
@DrewY213
@DrewY213 Жыл бұрын
There are versions of these that work. We used them at the county when I worked there and had maxed out our patch panels. However we'd typically do 1 ethernet connection and 1 pots connection. There were a few instances where both were ethernet.
@dwmcever
@dwmcever Жыл бұрын
I use an ethernet splitter just like that. With two routers. If one router fails a power contactor fails over and powers up the backup. Pretty slick.
@cat5kable
@cat5kable Жыл бұрын
Eyyy thanks for the shout-out at 3:25!
@tombirkland
@tombirkland Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the updated comment from LTT about why these splitters weren't wired correctly as hubs. I remember using an ethernet hub about 25 years ago on my home network and it worked, but not well, particularly when speeds increased. I am not technically savvy enough to really know the difference between a hub and a switch (I just now read up on this difference), but I do know that, 25 years ago, it wasn't possible to buy a decent switch for ten bucks. Times have changed.
@lordraiden007
@lordraiden007 Жыл бұрын
A hub, simply put, is basically a dumb switch. It has a single I/O that communicates with the rest of the network, and all other ports connect to endpoints. Regardless of a message’s destination the signal propagated to every single port on the hub. This is in contrast to a switch/bridge, in which a signal is only propagated to the correct endpoint using a physical address.
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
A real splitter is actually really useful, and we use them in some areas at work where there are a short of wall ports in some rooms. And those system do not need above 100 mbps so a cheap way of making use of it in a better way. Also done for phones - two phone numbers in one wall port.
@snowflakeslayer3075
@snowflakeslayer3075 Жыл бұрын
Not all phones; especially office environments, only use one pair for tip & ring ( trx/rx) . On a 4 pin plug. Center pair is tip/ring. Next (outside) pair, is for line 2 ( old days ) (usoc). If you had a 6 pin phone plug in your hand. The wire on the far right ( clip up ) would be thought of as pin one (data) But in phone is actually the start of the third pair, or line 3 in a 6 wire phone jack.
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
@@snowflakeslayer3075 Yes, there are some other use cases too and phones and their connections are not always straight forward. And to complicate things, modern switches can detect the lines connected and make things work anyway, especially in offices.
@BreakIntoProgram
@BreakIntoProgram Жыл бұрын
I used to run a PSTN telephone and an Ethernet connection over a single CAT5 cable between two rooms using a similar splitting technique; 4 wires used for each connection. Worked like a charm.
@TimothyFish
@TimothyFish Жыл бұрын
CAT5 and CAT6 are used for devices other than just computer networks. In those cases, it sometimes makes sense to have a splitter. For example, if you are using one to send analog audio over an ethernet cable that is already run, you might want to split it somewhere.
@brianleeper5737
@brianleeper5737 Жыл бұрын
Might be useful for connecting two 4-line phones to the same jack, assuming that there are actually any 4-line phones that use an RJ45 instead of two RJ11s. (All the 4-line phones I've ever seen use two RJ11s..well, actually, RJ14s).
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
Bingo! With structured cabling, the common Cat5 wiring from the network room to all cubicles would be 1 or 2 Cat5 connections for any signals needed. Usually one is used for Ethernet and the other is a telephone. POTS (analog) and ISDN (digital) lines both allow splitting with these splitters no problem . If using a PoE IP phone on Ethernet, it will often contain an Ethernet switch inside so you can plug in the PC without a second network connection to the wiring room . Note that POTS uses only one pair, so the other 3 pairs can be used for other stuff such as another protocol in a degraded mode .
@brianleeper5737
@brianleeper5737 Жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 A splitter like this would work for connecting two 4-line phones to one RJ61X jack, but I've *never* seen a 4-line phone with an RJ61X jack on it, they always use two RJ14 jacks.
@JustinKrux
@JustinKrux Жыл бұрын
exactly the case, audio and video are what those splitters or meant for, not network transmission.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
@@brianleeper5737 That's not the use . POTS and ISDN S-Bus both allow connecting phones and modems in parallel. For POTS the telephones will all be on the same call . For ISDN, the devices will share the digital bus and can possibly be commanded to use one 64Kbps digital channel each, not by wiring but by digital negotiation .
@ResidentIT_
@ResidentIT_ Жыл бұрын
6:57 "100 Mb is so slow!" as sit here, with 50 mb spread out across 4 family members, 3 of whom are incredibly tech savvy and all need high speed Ethernet
@ghostdross1660
@ghostdross1660 Жыл бұрын
4Mb/s in here if you are lucky and no one is using it. Usually between 2-3Mb/s here.
@MagicPlayor
@MagicPlayor Жыл бұрын
This vid will not get the recognition it deserves, but this is why I am subbed to LTT. This was entertaining enough to keep me engaged, informative enough that i feel like watching it was a net positive and interesting enough to have me asking follow up questions about networking! GJ to all involved!
@mattpengelly
@mattpengelly 2 ай бұрын
When I was working as a network admin twenty-some odd years ago my boss and I were wiring up an office space in a floor or an existing building our company was about to move a department into. We found that we needed two network connections in one location but there was only one jack there. We then realized that the conduit leading there was full (overfully full, really) of CAT5 runs and there was no way to pull another wire through it. He came up with basically the same solution that's in this video. We had what I called a two headed snake patch cable coming out of the wall on the one side and turned the cable run on the switch side into another two-headed snake configuration. Gigabit wasn't a thing yet so we were repurposing completely unused wired in the cable to accomplish what we needed.
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
Um, you know you totally can have passive Ethernet hubs, right? That box should just be a box of correctly wired diodes. See, Ethernet contains carrier sense multiple access / collision detecion (CSMA/CD) All the devices start to notice collisions, discard the data and start using random packet timings to avoid collisions. Only works in half duplex too, but that might be a function of it being a concentrated network instead of a switched or active network. The switch in the router is supposed to drop to half duplex. Probably 100baseT too, i don't know about the ones that use the whole pair set
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing this is a case of everybody on this channel being too young to know about these and the early ethernet standards! 😂
@insu_na
@insu_na Жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat yeah... I feel so ancient 😭 So what if I used to wire up 10Base2 wires and passive 10BaseT hubs!!! Someone in my comment chain (and in other comments too) noticed that they put 2 wires from a switch into the "splitter" (as instructed by the badly written manual), so the switch did its loop detection magic and disabled the ports until the loop was released => no connection. If they had just eschewed one cable on the "router" side, or had plugged that switch directly into that "wall" socket, it would've worked, thanks to the magic of auto-negotiation. While my Mellanox card really does only support 40000baseSR4/Full, 40000baseCR4/Full, 40000baseKX4/Full, 1000baseX/Full, 10000baseCR/Full and 10000baseSR/Full, my intel NIC supports down to 10baseT Half-Duplex through auto-negotiation...
@coolbrotherf127
@coolbrotherf127 Жыл бұрын
I worked at an AV installation company for a few years and we used to split Ethernet cables all the time for simple devices that didn't need high bandwidth. It saved a lot of time running extra cables for stuff that didn't need all the pairs to work.
@thomasweidner3145
@thomasweidner3145 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised you did not mention that old ethernet standard used CSMA/CD to detect collisions on a shared medium. Fast Ethernet (100BASE-TX) has this feature. This is specifically built to supported a shared medium like ethernet in a splitter, but more general ethernet hubs. This should make the splitter functional as-is.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf Жыл бұрын
And you wouldn't need two inputs in the garage just splitting on the other side.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott Жыл бұрын
The original Ethernet did that on 10base5 "Thinknet", 10base2 "Thinnet" and 10baseT on twisted pair, when used with a hub.
@BobyourUncle
@BobyourUncle 2 ай бұрын
Ex cable guy here. We used to do this all the time back in the 90's. Customer wants another network point pulled into an office? Easy peasy! Just substitute the blue for green and brown for orange into a double outlet and do the same at the patch panel end and you'll even have enough free time for a smoke break in the server room before heading home early ;)
@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106
@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106 2 ай бұрын
I have used it in another way. I live in the netherlands in a neighborhood built in the late 70s and early 80s. The houses here had telephone connections in almost every room similar to ethernet but with only 2 pairs of cables. When in the 90s more people where getting internet at home i was at that age where i was the tech savvy computer kid. I made a good amount of pocket money by doing the wires for people getting internet. One of my usual things was to ask if people were using the phone connection in the room where the computer was going to be. If the answer was no I would use the phone wire to hook up the Ethernet with the 4 cables of the phone wire.
@v2joecr
@v2joecr Жыл бұрын
When I was at a customer site, they were using properly made commercially produced Ethernet splitters like the DIY ones you made. Some of the computers they had decided didn't need more than fast ethernet speeds & were not using PoE since they were desktop computers.
@thetechtempest
@thetechtempest Жыл бұрын
Other than having to provide power, I'm not sure why these even exist of standard cheap switches as you stated in the video.
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx Жыл бұрын
No need for power and takes up less space.
@shaunclarke94
@shaunclarke94 Жыл бұрын
If you need to send two seperate networks/VLAN's for example. Sure you can do that with a managed switch, but a $10 switch isn't going to be managed, and even if it was, it's going to be pretty shit.
@patrickpaalman
@patrickpaalman Жыл бұрын
You have to level it out, so the packets will go 50% left and 50% to the right.
@logyz450
@logyz450 Жыл бұрын
hummm it might work if you reconfigure the microcode on the host. In this case the network switch. BUT!! at that point you are VERY knowledgeable of what you originally bought. haha
@kautzz
@kautzz Жыл бұрын
if you don't look at the electrons or point a camera onto 'em they actually go left and right simultaniously.
@veto_5762
@veto_5762 Жыл бұрын
At that point why don't just buy a switch?
@7piecebucket
@7piecebucket Жыл бұрын
You are horrible man!!! 😂
@coriscotupi
@coriscotupi Жыл бұрын
And don't turn it upside down, or all the packets will fall out.
@IsilZhaSB
@IsilZhaSB Жыл бұрын
I have splitters that *do* work exactly as you described. But they're not actually "splitters." It only works for 100 Mb links (and works with PoE.) The product you made already exists and I have several locations using them where they wanted to add additional IP cameras where there was only 1 cable run.
@BuckRogers2491
@BuckRogers2491 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, splitters have been around quite a long time. One on each end, but limited to 100 Mbps. Only need 1, 2, 3, 6 for 10/100. Other uses were for splitting a single run into one data and one (or more) phone pairs.
@oevers
@oevers Жыл бұрын
07:11 Minor mistake: You recommended the 100 mbps switch for everyone who needs a faster connection than 100 Mbps.
@JaredElza
@JaredElza Жыл бұрын
Noticed this too. If the splitter isn't fast enough for moving big files, then neither is a $9 10/100 switch. The Netgear GS305 is $15, just get gig and thank yourself later.
@rockking1379
@rockking1379 Жыл бұрын
I could see these being useful for those HDMI over Ethernet extenders. They don’t support routing traffic around and rely on just direct connections. This would allow you to have 2 displays reviving the same video data.
@NathanHedglin
@NathanHedglin Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought.
@haphazard1342
@haphazard1342 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure HDMI is also bidirectional, with the receiver being active, and that this definitely wouldn't work for the most common HDMI over Ethernet implementation HDBaseT
@agarceran
@agarceran Жыл бұрын
This might not work, as HDMI also requires a handshake between both source and sink. The third device would need to be able to just accept the data and not require that handshake and would not be to spec.
@R1PPA-C
@R1PPA-C Жыл бұрын
Best decision linus made was stepping down and giving himself more time for content, I love these DIY techy videos, it's what most of us watching are likely to copy and experiment with, and he's giving every upload after the fact his full attention and personality, welcome back dude
@AntisepticHandwash
@AntisepticHandwash Жыл бұрын
I don't know if this happened strictly after he stepped down as CEO, but it has generally happened. A while ago, a lot of the videos were hosted by the other guys and it was just OK. Now that Linus does most of them, I'm watching more than ever. Nothing wrong with the other guys but Linus has always been more fun to watch, for whatever reason.
@R1PPA-C
@R1PPA-C Жыл бұрын
@@AntisepticHandwash yeah same sentiment here, and tbf also not knocking the other guys, but nobody is going to have more energy than linus, this was all his creation, it's his pride and joy, you can't fake that kind of energy
@AntisepticHandwash
@AntisepticHandwash Жыл бұрын
@@R1PPA-C 💯
@endurable_alex8379
@endurable_alex8379 Жыл бұрын
bro it hasn't even gone into effect yet
@GrimdourTheRampager
@GrimdourTheRampager Жыл бұрын
Im so glad I had a friend who called them "ethernet switches" so when I needed one years later, I didn't search for "splitter".
@Prestown
@Prestown Жыл бұрын
This is one of the better LTT videos I've seen. Wish it had a title that made this video searchable at all. Feels like this video needs to compete less with the algorithm than it does search traffic for networking information.
@steave435
@steave435 Жыл бұрын
Eh, it's a bit too close to being misinformation. The specific one they bought may not have worked, but it's a perfectly viable solution that I've used both privately and at work many times back in the days. I haven't had a need for them for a while, but I've never had any issues. Linus's own version is how they're normally wired.
@itsCov3rt
@itsCov3rt Жыл бұрын
Hey Linus - if you was thinking about splitting a fibre cable you could always look into a WDM (wavelength division multiplexing) which uses different wavelengths along the same medium to split the transmission - it may require actual fibre splicing but I know this is used for residential properties on fibre networks (in some countries) It may be overkill for a home network but could be cool to explore? Just a thought!
@HuffinON17
@HuffinON17 Жыл бұрын
That isn't "splitting" it in the same sense that it's being done here. There is no way to split a fiber itself. The un-tapability of fiber was one of the main original selling points. Multiplexing is the same exact line, to the same optic and backwards on the other end, but the device its connected to is running your multiple frequencies. Although there are interesting ways of "splitting" a single fiber cable. There are MPO8 -> 4 LC types of cables (theres a ton of different size availabilities). That is more along the vein of what he is doing in the video.
@iamdave84
@iamdave84 Жыл бұрын
GPON fibre networks are great. 1 fibre leaving the telephone exchange splitting to serve 32 or often 64 separate services.
@Brazbit
@Brazbit Жыл бұрын
I remember back when Gb was introduced splitters like these were commonly available, and wired like the one cobbled together by LTT, but they were clearly labeled as 100Mb maximum. When I saw the title and image I was like, well there is but why would you do that these days? Back then it made sense since almost everything was still 10/100 and 100Mb switches were hundreds of dollars, heck even hubs were expensive with all their data collision goodness, but these days why even bother?
@sleveille4
@sleveille4 Жыл бұрын
well, i will soon install some at my brother's place. they have only 1 ethernet going from basement / garage to main floor living room, and have ADSL, but want router in living room. but switch to distribute the house is in basement. so i need to make 1 cable have BOTH adsl going UP and LAN going DOWN. and laying a 2nd cable is not an option as of now. so 2 splitters it is, and voila.
@sophiophile
@sophiophile Жыл бұрын
There are lots of devices that still only have 100Mbit. A lot of home-automation equipment for example.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Жыл бұрын
@@sleveille4 Sounds awful. Why do they want the router in the living room? If it's for the wifi, stick the router in the basement and stick an access point or extender wherever it makes sense.
@thewiirocks
@thewiirocks Жыл бұрын
@@sleveille4 get another switch. They're cheap.
@sleveille4
@sleveille4 Жыл бұрын
@@thewiirocks read again, a switch will not work in the specific case i described as i do have to carry a phone line from basement to living room, and LAN the other way around, on 1 ethernet cable
@nemock
@nemock 2 ай бұрын
We used a version of those in the early 90s when hubs were still more common than switches. Ethernet switches were still extremely expensive, so it wasn't as simple as just adding another rack of ports. The problem created by those splitters is they increased propagation delay, which can cause late collisions. That could be a real nightmare because in smaller offices in the pre-public Internet days (before 1995); we would sometimes have a sales person with a laptop and a desktop, and they didn't want to wait for somebody to run another port for them, so they would just buy one of the splitters on their own.
@RandomKSandom
@RandomKSandom Жыл бұрын
To be clear; not all of these devices are scams. I've used ones that correctly support 100mb/s concurrent connections, and didn't realise that the scams existed. But it doesn't surprise me.
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