Who let them do this?? - The $800 Solid Copper Cooler

[@LinusTechTips]

Hey! After a bit of tinkering post-video we saw improved thermals with the Monoblock. Running Cinebench and MSI Afterburner for 30 minutes we saw temps peak at CPU: 85 C on the 12900KS GPU Hotspot: 87 C on 4090. (remember this is the without using the proper kit for the 4090) What do you think about this MonoBlock? Let us know below! Check out the Billet Labs MonoBlock: lmg.gg/sBMz8 Buy an Intel Core i9-12900KS CPU: geni.us/9rg0Jeh Buy Crucial Ballistix MAX RGB 4000MHz CL18 2x8GB DDR4 RAM: geni.us/IDVUvs7 Buy an EK-CoolStream Classic PE 240 Radiator: geni.us/ZQZfllT Buy a Cooler Master V1100 SFX 80+ Platinum PSU: geni.us/tBS8

[@BestieKing]

The Golden Cooling!

[@FapralPlus]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qobMiqGsgsqfgZo

[@mikep1212]

That would have been good information to have in the video rather than the flippant ending

[@alexday8148]

kinda crazy that you posted this comment before the video went public but didn't bother the update the video...

[@TheSwanies]

I miss when LTT wasn't so obsessed with cranking out videos that they would actually fix their video so their PEBCAK doesn't negatively affect the product instead of just posting a comment saying "we fucked up! hehe"

[@felixure8601]

(Felix from BilletLabs here) Great video guys! But this block was specifically for a 3090ti, not a 4090. We've since obtained a 4090 to test with, and using it with the 3090ti block leaves a gap of around 1mm over the die, so it's never going to cool properly. We're happy to answer any questions in the comments below ✌

[@drmatt89]

I noticed this you have added this to your website and have I have mentioned this on float plane video as well as here

[@lagpi]

Kudos for the execution of a relatively novel concept! Interested to see what all you guys have in store next!

[@virtual2089]

I feel like Linus did you a disservice here with a ill-conceived video. I enjoy the humour but I would have liked to have seen them execute this properly. Edit: a month later and it looks like they have finally been called out, yay.

[@sophiophile]

Linus and LTT have a history of not reading instructions (or not knowing how something works) and blaming the product. They do this like once a week. Most recent I remember, they did this with a device that had a SDR chip in it, where they tried to communicate with a digital walkie talkie using only analog signalling- and basically called it bunk. I hope this doesn't hurt your sales.

[@justfasial01]

@@virtual2089 yea I really don't get why they treated it like a novice is going to buy this and use it to build an ITX build. What's even the point of doing it this way? Product doesn't get a fair shake and no one learns anything.

[@liveAiming]

Unbelievable how a big company like LTT can fk up so badly. And the behaviour after it was absolutely disgusting.

[@vincentvega3093]

It happens to all businesses. Asus even bigger, sony even bigger. It's bound to happen, now its about fixing and changing trajectory

[@Drazil100]

It’s actually very believable. The bigger your company, the harder communication is, and the more opportunities there are for information to fall through the cracks or some lazy employee to not take care of something before another less informed employee does something wrong. What happened is completely inexcusable, but at LMG’s size and Linus’s inability to manage it (to the point they just hired a new CEO), I am surprised something like this hasn’t happened sooner.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

@@Drazil100 that completel;y ignores the fact that linus refused to retest the product even though he used the wrong GPU that it wasn't built for. that very act tells you all you need to know about the kind of person he is. a narcissist

[@chuckb6782]

Mistakes happen but the way they go about fixing them is the biggest problem of all. Then look at the shear number of mistakes. It reveals a pattern.

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

​@@vincentvega3093here is The problem -The Company "might" get better but Linus most likely won't.

[@corvetteee1]

Very cool product. I hope you guys didn't use this on an incompatible graphics card, trash the company because you didn't understand the technical specifications, refused to retest it on the proper card, then stole their product and auctioned it off for your own profit.

[@alexandarvidic]

We should all boycot LTT because of this solely not to mention other inconveniences...

[@JasperSchwinghammer]

I just reviewed the video after the GN one and its pretty much fine. They try it on a 4090, say that it's the wrong gpu to use with this and move on. 99% of this video is about how the build experience and practicality of this thing are. Stupid that they used the wrong GPU absolutely. But this is not unfair. The auctioning off part needs to be explained on wan show though

[@SyedMoizHussain]

​@JasperSchwinghammer it's wrong nonetheless. They should make a video and explain before shit hits the fan

[@alexandarvidic]

@@SyedMoizHussain already did, i can never trust LTT review again, also im angered for Linus behavior regarding Billet Labs and whole approach entirely, his ego is much bigger then anything else obviously. How can you not return and then auction somebody else property?! There is a word for that....1 of 1 prototype...Im just shocked by all this

[@mkimerc]

@@JasperSchwinghammer Linus himself directly trash talk the product to his rather large audience on the WAN show calling it a stupid product, even as Luke tried his hardest to steer Linus to do the right thing with linus saying that hes not gonna retest because he thinks the product stupid and useless and not worth the few hours of employee time because he thinks its expensive (company worth 100mil dollar btw). it might have been fine to give the product a rather unfavorable exposure in this video and if Linus stopped at that but he got called out and then proceed to trash the product even more, as a channel with 15.6 million subscriber they need to be held to some standard as they can easily destroy a small 2 man company like this.

[@NikTek]

This Video hits different after we all heard the full story behind this

[@boozec]

Learning now

[@Merolen]

It breaks my heart how they mistreated Billet Labs! A public apology is in place

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Far more than an apology.

[@chiyapet]

Far more than an apology.

[@zoolanderhansel]

apparently they stole their prototype and auctioned it, lol. WTF LTT.

[@MaxxPlay99]

They literally sold the prototype. They should be sued.

[@popejohnny5]

No joke, talk about adding insult to injury. Testing something without the proper card. Acknowledging they weren't using the right card, but still going full "LEETTTTT"SSSS GOOOOOOO!" on a review that was flawed from the get go. When called on it, basically saying it wasn't worth their time to do it right. Then allegedly auctioning off a prototype that LMG is said to have promised to return not once, but twice. Certainly not a good look for an organization trying to step into legitimate hardware testing.

[@VSneck]

Billet labs were done wrong in this video, they were fans of LTT and got screwed for no reason. I hope they manage to recover past this.

[@1337venezolano]

I hope they sue LMG.

[@Cr3ePiO]

This irrational drama is the best thing that could have happened to a small company like this.

[@thespycrab8305]

How the fuck did this video ever go online. The quality of LMG is going down HARD and I feel sorry for what happened to Billet Labs here. Including selling the prototype against what was agreed.

[@TheSJDRising]

Yup. Other, well documented issues with this review aside, the quality has gone down A LOT. Focus on quality please, not 20+ videos a week.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

they dont know how, they arte just shills at this point. there is no com,ing back form, this for me. linus' own attitude about not retesting it was enough. @@TheSJDRising

[@melissas4874]

It has been pretty apparent for a while now that LTT isn't as technical as it use to be. It's just goofiness - look at the right side of the screen for example. The scariest fan attached to a computer, a PC case made of wood, roasting coworker's setups - it's all just become a cliche and joke channel.

[@mauree1618]

which doesn't make sense when you consider all the money they are spending on "LABS".@@melissas4874

[@petejones6827]

@@melissas4874 i dont know since i ran across ltt years ago i always felt like it was a joke they always came across as elitists no one is better. when you live that way its easy to throw others to the wayside to keep up your personal image. this is what is coming to light now.

[@Tracenji]

there seems to be an error in the thumbnail, it seems like there is one "i" too much, it says "solid copper" but i'm pretty sure it's supposed to say "sold copper"

[@TheBlazegt]

💀💀 brooo😂😂

[@robn2497]

Auctioned copper get it right jeez.

[@Iceykitsune]

Please note that LTT ahs since stolen this prototype, and potentially allowed it to be obtained by Billet Labs' competitors.

[@markus1351]

Didn't return it and sold IT at auction. Don't put your own Interpretation in the Situation as Steve reminded us.

[@Iceykitsune]

@@markus1351 And do you know what not returning something that was borrowed is called? Legally, that's theft.

[@markus1351]

@@Iceykitsune in Most places legally "theft" requires the act of getting possession to be the issue, that is not the case here. So it's more of a kind of embezzlement, depending on the legal Standard you want to use.

[@dwayne_dibley]

@@markus1351embezzlement is a specific type of theft. Calling them thieves would be accurate. What a low life he’s become but like all millionaires he doesn’t care at all what people think.

[@markus1351]

@@dwayne_dibley as i said... It depends on the legal system you're applying... In any Case, the thing about competitors aquiring the prototype ist also unproven and speculative... A possibility as stated by steve, Not a fact.

[@turbinia]

There's nothing wrong with a paper gasket. They are used for all sorts of things far more demanding than that waterblock - engines, gearboxes, pumps etc.

[@nyftn]

exactly

[@Ikxi]

interesting

[@bisterkding9249]

@@nyftn exactly

[@furrybproductions]

Learn something new everyday

[@Stealth86651]

plus some countries or governments are built entirely upon stacks of papers.

[@JsonBrandy]

How can you mistreat a company like that? Literally auctioned of their best prototype.

[@RubyRose23328]

Oh no Anyways

[@shadowman_390]

When you lose all contact with reality, look at Linus.

[@fibrahimi]

@@RubyRose23328 Joe is also auctioned at the strip club. Joe who? Joe mama. But you already know that. Joe & Sis working together different shifts. Oh no. Anyways

[@CyberSystemOverload]

Either a fanboi or a troll

[@Siemdj1]

Jip. They just did. It’s sad and really hurts someone’s lives work. Unsubscribed to the channel.

[@TheHyperGamerVideos]

Surprised this video is still up in all honesty. Linus and LTT handled this whole situation with this prototype terribly. Wish you luck Billet Labs, hope you guys prosper.

[@encycl07pedia-]

Too many views. Taking down a "successful" video is harmful to the cash flow, the only thing they care about.

[@sheltoncarpenter4099]

Taking it down is the wrong move here. Leave it up. If you take it down you get roasted for “hiding your mistakes” instead of owning up to them. Plus the conclusion of the video isnt wrong. Dont buy an $800 cooler for a last gen product. Just upgrade to current gen and you get better performance for the money

[@niks660097]

@@sheltoncarpenter4099 bro their conclusion is always wrong, they didn't even use the correct GPU lol, and there are more people with 3090ti than 4090(at least for now), so the product is for those people, not everyone upgrades in 2 years, even people with a lot of money..

[@sheltoncarpenter4099]

@@niks660097 they should have never done the video as a review. Maybe a showcase. Linus’ point stands though. It doesnt make sense financially for a 3090ti. The math works out to be essentially the same if you sell the 3090ti and then buy a 4090. Cool company and cool concept but poor timing for a premium product on a last gen gpu. I thought the video was pretty fair of showcasing the tech but explaining that the product doesnt make sense yet

[@karazu121]

can u tell me what happened im out of the loop

[@clampy]

"I'm not sure if i can apologize for not spending another 100, 200, 300, 500 dollars of various peoples time engineering a workaround for a product that no matter the result, nobody should buy". Respectfully Linus. That is your job. Your viewers trust that you put the effort in to test hardware correctly. If you show time and time again that that isn't important to LTT, them people will just stop trusting you.

[@wirelesscroissant3363]

Linus doesn't deserve respect.

[@mgardiner2725]

Accuracy went out the window a long time ago. As long as the money keeps rolling in, to hell with accurately representing what you're "reviewing". The wise decision would be to take any review out of LTT and their related channels with a large pinch of salt going forward.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

I just wont be watching their videos anymore@@mgardiner2725

[@jpsion]

Lol. you trust entertainers? Like getting your news from buzzfeed or meta

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

*"NOT spending" is the quote. Otherwise this entire thing you quoted makes no sense...

[@cizzymac]

>receive prototype device that the company wanted returned after testing >don't install it on the card that it was specifically designed for >don't use the instruction manual the company provided for you >trash said company for it being difficult to install, and that it doesn't work properly on the wrong card >refuse to actually test it on the card it was designed for >steal the prototype and auction it off to company's potential competitors >double down on your slander of the company because you don't want to spend money to retest What in the hell is wrong with you, Linus?

[@evilpotatoman9436]

you nailed it on the head

[@DuckyDoGaming]

Not to mention the part in the most recent WAN show where Linus states that he doesn't want ltt prototypes ending up in the hands of the public because they are a poor representation of the final product. Disappointing...

[@fredd3.14]

i assume it was auctioned off in-house to employees but who knows, still just random public people in the end

[@DuckyDoGaming]

@@fredd3.14 if you didn't see the GN video and are referring to the cooler, there were clips of the item on auction at LTX where there were reps from major brands.

[@ArtofHunter]

I hope Billet Labs sues LTT for this.

[@Corristo89]

The engineering and craftsmanship on this block is amazing. These guys clearly know their stuff.

[@bearwynn]

shame LMG stole it and auctioned it off

[@strick9noob]

Shame who know what happened to this stolen prototype they sold off at LTX 23

[@ramr7051]

too bad they sold it off to who knows who

[@Itzryan288]

It also looks like one of Billet Labs competitors might have bought it at the auction and are planning to clone it@@bearwynn

[@WayStedYou]

Linus: They couldnt possibly improve or change it (despite it being a prototype) Luke: they have a 4090 product on their site Linus: yeah thats new ?????????????????????

[@pepsicherry6389]

LTT became a sumbag Inc. Billet Labs sent a prototype to LTT for testing. Billet was originally okay with LTT keeping the block for future builds, etc. After it turned out that Linus didn't like the product, they asked for it to be returned as mentioned in the email displayed. LTT tested it on the wrong GPU model. Results were bad... y'know, because they didn't use the GPU the block was designed for. LTT got some scathing feedback about the poor testing methodology. Linus defended their decision to use the wrong GPU for testing on the WAN show by saying it shouldn't be expected of him to spend an extra $500 to do the testing properly and shat on the product, claiming that it's bad anyway, so why bother. LTT never sent the prototype back to Billet Labs, but rather auctioned it off at their expo.

[@dracobengali]

And Billet Labs actualy sent the correct GPU model with the kit to test with (LTT "misplaced" it somwehere for the video so used whatever they could find).

[@spenmac]

"Billet was originally okay with LTT keeping the block for future builds" can you site where you supposedly got this info from..? I ask because thats not what has been reported by every other outlet including ltt themselves..

[@colerockman385]

Thieves and a very lazy video, makes you wonder.

[@Jovianoid]

Who in the right mind would test this on wrong GPU, bash the company and then sold the prototype even tho owners of it asked twice to return it to them?

[@ramr7051]

Linus.jpeg

[@SebastianOliva]

Shifting blame instead of owning up to your mistakes

[@tombickers]

A criminal who belongs in jail.

[@Jovianoid]

@@SebastianOliva Hey it was auctioned not sold so it's fine! /s

[@vigour6786]

"they sent a 3090ti kit.... they said it would work with the 4090" *tests with a 4090* "oMg ThEy TeStEd WiTh ThE wRoNg CaRd"

[@9r0t0typ3]

You auctioned off the Block instead of giving it back to BilletLabs like you promised. LMG is scum

[@SB-pf5rc]

probably less that it's scum and more that there's too many hands and not enough organization. very very disappointing to hear though. this video was cringe to watch and the subsequent commentary on the WAN show was embarrassing to listen to.

[@HolyRamanRajya]

Scam is more apt

[@9r0t0typ3]

They tried to say nothing would fix their issues when them using the right gpu would fix the issue alone. They purposefully were disengenuous and Linus himself is in the video asking why they didnt use the right card, only to act like he knows what he is doing, when he himself is also known to frequently make installation mistakes. Then not returning the prototype like promised, and auctioning it off for profit. That is scum like behavior.

[@DROGOC0P]

I unsubbed and I wont be watching videos for a long time, until they fix up their act

[@ramr7051]

@@SB-pf5rc i think scum is completely in place. Did you not hear the segment of Linus saying that it would cost $500 to re-shoot the video properly, and clear things up? That's straight up scummy behavior. No too many hands, simply greed.

[@pithlyx]

having worked as a CNC technician I can tell you that paper gaskets are perfectly fine. they probably decided to go with paper because of cost along with thermal performance of the gasket. paper gaskets are used to seal gear boxes, motors and all kinds of things that operate at higher pressures and temperatures than a water block could even conceive. its cheap and is way more easily customizable to specifications as well as does the same job a rubber gasket does, just as well if not better in certain situations. the one downside is reusability, it doesn't really like to be reused, but I guess that's where the cheap aspect of the material comes into play.

[@diotough]

Yeah, they are totally fine. But you're comparing different applications with very different torque figures. I don't think you'd be assembling your watercooler with >20Nm of torque.

[@uglymug211]

Why go through all the effort of machining this and just slapping on a "cheap" paper gasket - wasn't this meant to be no expense spared?

[@pithlyx]

@@diotough paper gaskets like that arent standard printer paper, if you are applying the same force you would need to fully seat an o-ring it will be just fine. Not everything in a cnc machine is torqued, those applications i listed are just to show they are robust for dealing with heat and fluids That being said certain things like a waylube tank (an oil reservoir for the rails of your turret or table) are just acrylic with little m5 screws. i have seen many o rings and paper gaskets and i havent had nearly as many issues with paper gaskets. Whereas i have had many bad o-rings cause they have a nick in them or they dry rotted. idk the real answer to why they went with it, all i know is they deemed it was good enough and they seem like the people who know what they are doing.

[@FuckGoogle502]

Having worked as an automotive machinist, I still would prefer a raised lip and a matching groove to lock that thin paper gasket in. Also, the computer has to constantly deal with more drastic temperature fluctuations as it performs various tasks creating different amounts of heat. A car (especially a street driven one, not a race car) heats up and stays at a fairly stable temperature until it turns off again.

[@111Xumi111]

i have seen paper gasket a lot, but on hydrocarbon uses as you listed. Do they still work ok for water?

[@jackbauer322]

Linus: Companies are not your friends, they are just out for your money. Also Linus: I spend 30 million on a lab and cant afford 500$ to retest something

[@DaroriDerEinzige]

Doesn't have he the Enigneer guy who makes also alot of Videos for him? The ones in which they often build something actual funny. Why didn't he come in? E.g. to explain him gaskets which he obviously didn't knew.

[@Talon31415]

30 million is an exaggeration

[@MrSkme]

Certified "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" moment

[@bytorthesnowdogs2112]

KZbin should ban these clowns

[@pineapplepizza5733]

I am deeply dissapointed in you LTT, you screwed over this company and didn't even send their engineering prototypes worth thousands of dollars back even though they requested it returned! Shame on you!

[@RubyRose23328]

Any evidence of this return request?

[@HikingFeral]

1 against 10,000 lol give up J.C me lad@@RubyRose23328

[@JasperSchwinghammer]

I am deeply disappointed in you pineapple that you just run after watching a single video from GN into this comment section without waiting for a statement from LTT or the manufacturer.

[@ThatGuyNikolas]

@@JasperSchwinghammer And if they simply don't? if everyone shut up, and patiently waited for a response. Would they even feel obligated to give one? Hell, Does LTT even do this when manufactures fuck up?

[@JasperSchwinghammer]

@@ThatGuyNikolashas Linus ever not responded to stuff like that in the wan show?

[@nanamisuzaku8250]

Imagine how the people at Billet Labs would have felt the moment they heard they had a chance to have their product showcased at LTT They've must've been really happy and excited and probably cried for the chance of their lives to happen But then this happens, and all because of a mistake they couldn't control Truly heartbreaking

[@unnamedsidecharacter889]

They were contacted twice and they received their assurance that it shall be returned, twice, and then they proceeded to sell the prototype in an auction, this isn't a mistake, its not even a blunder, its the end of a single-digit employee company

[@ArtofHunter]

It's worse because Linus essentially trashed the company when he used said prototype wrong and then STOLE and auctioned off the prototype to hurt the start up for the lolz. Like wth I hope Billet Labs sues the heck out of LTT.

[@Winnson]

You either die with your heroes, or live long enough you see your heroes become villains. Yeah this must have sucked, but the publicity they're getting from it now should be beneficial. At least I don't see LTT trashing them again.

[@Cotran61]

Worst thing is it’s probably been sold to a mega corporation now cloning and patenting the shit out of the cooler, thus making millions of it. THATS how bad this situation is.

[@CaptainBlueTech]

@@Cotran61 Lol no theres no proprietary 'magic sauce' that any corp will care about with this block, machining high end water blocks is a pretty known thing at this point, plus its a niche market to begin with. Billet gave LTT the card, LTT played with it and said its stupid, Billet asked for it back, Because of delays and miscommunications and the fact it was in their system as theirs it got auctioned for charity, there was an email issue where they offered to pay for it. Putting the correct card wouldent have changed anything, I agree with Linus on that, this is a dumb $800 toy that fits in 0 cases its a dumb product that makes no sense to buy so what does it matter if the numbers were off? they made it clear that it was not validated to work.

[@Krunari]

Unforgivable what you did to Billet Labs! You might have single-handedly destroyed a startup and someone's life's work over a couple hundred bucks.

[@EXG21]

And Billet sent them a 3090ti with the block and LTT lost that and then mysteriously found it but still hasn't returned it. WT actual F.

[@storms13]

I feel awful for Billet Labs. I wish them all the success going forward and hope that this mistreatment does not sink them as a company

[@zedeco]

billet labs is done for since linus auctioned their prototype, without it they cant do anything.

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

if i was billet labs there would be a huge law sute flying.. I work work prototyps all the time where we send out for testing and they have to send it back. there is 0 Excuse for this. a lot of times prototypes are made by hand too so it's hard to duplicate it so you send it out for testing if it passes ect it comes back and you set up tooling and make more.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@zedeco hopefully not. If they have any more attention to detail, sense of ethics, and drive, they might be able to overcome big tech (LTT) and succeed.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@Mr_Meowingtons yea, there is no simple miscommunication where you just accept at face value that a company sent you a prototype and didn't expect it back. To any reasonable person, even a layman, this should have been a cause for concern.

[@WayStedYou]

they already have a 4090 version, despite linus saying "there is no way for them to imrpove the product so it doesnt matter"@@zedeco

[@lukebarks8588]

Dear Linus, After the Gamers Nexus video I just thought to let you know that, in the UK, where this company is based, a comparable system from EK costs £400 (cpu and gpu) whereas and the cpu and gpu cooling solution from billet labs cost £649. If the billet labs solution is cooler, then it would, in my opinion, be a valuable option for people wanting the best of the best. We have the i9, which we all know no one needs to play cs:go, but people buy it anyway. And the same goes for water cooling in general, it’s not needed to keep your gpu cool, it’s done as a choice, as a style. Maybe you know this, maybe it comes across in the video. But spending £500 more to get proper results would be something I would have expected from LTT

[@danabc322]

You can’t expect these guys to spend valuable time doing research! They’ve got auctions to run!

[@Dominic-gd1gc]

​@@danabc322 and prototypes to ilegally auction off!

[@lemolea9571]

If you consider import fees they'd probably be about the same price. But yeah, it's a specialist premium product.

[@lukebarks8588]

@@danabc322 lol

[@IShaderI]

Hey man great point. I will add that there is the benefit (challenges too) with this product too. The whole point it being a mono block. You're saving on volume and the volume of the connection and tubing. So it's like entirely fair to pay more than the Ek offering.

[@sophiophile]

That kind of gasketing works even for engine blocks. It's will be fine *if you don't open it after assembly*. You are supposed to replace it every time you take it apart (although you can usually get away with one or two disassembles). If it leaks, it's on you guys.

[@satibel]

as long as it wasn't exposed to liquid it should be fine to disassemble.

[@Cosmopean]

If it only works properly as long as you never disassemble it then it doesn't work for consumer computer building. A solution can be great but if applied to the wrong problem it is useless. A computer cooler should be designed to be removed/opened multiple times over its life without requiring the replacement of vital components. It's not a car that is usually only opened up by a mechanic with actual training and experience.

[@sophiophile]

@@Cosmopean I'm talking about when they took apart the interior waterblock. There is no reason, aside from 'I wanna see what the inside looks like'. A user of the product would have no need to ever take that apart in the lifetime of the product. You can remove and reattach the waterblock as many times as you'd like and never encounter that gasket.

[@sophiophile]

@@satibel I agree it's probably fine, but it's pretty easy for them to tear and weaken under the pressure of everything being torqued down over and over, especially since it needs to be tightened down relatively well. I also was assuming that they already did this at least once (without Linus) before making the vid.

[@satibel]

@@sophiophile yeah, though afaik it does gets its final size as it gets wet which is when it becomes necessary to change.

[@joeypizza2761]

That $500 would have been a pretty great investment, in hindsight.

[@elise3455]

Yeap, they lost over 50 million views that month.

[@belabohlen6156]

I think maybe they should make it 550

[@Raghudegaucho]

I didnt know the full story until now of how badly LTT messed up here... Using wrong GPU is bad, but auctioning off the prototype at LTX is just downright malicious...

[@Winnson]

After hearing the whole story, at this point, I think this whole thing was malicious. Does LTT have any sponsor deals with other GPU coolers? I'm pretty sure the goal of this video after watching it was to destroy this company before it even got off the ground. At least, that's certainly what it seems like. This was a hit piece when made, then all the stuff afterwards (continuing to trash them, selling off their prototype, not returning the correct card they provided, etc etc etc) was just to twist the knife into their corpse. Props to GN for bringing this to light. Otherwise we never would have heard about it. I can see why he would be concerned with this disgusting behavior destroying the tech space on KZbin. The more I hear about this, the more disgusted I am. Shame on you LTT. Shame on you

[@danielclark6033]

It's sadly Very irresponsible and misrepresented this startup and their Prototype cooler.

[@RohonNag]

@@Winnson duh, they have a deal with Noctua... While this doesn't directly compete with Noctua coolers, thats who LTT has a brand deal with... (I use a Noctua cooler for my CPU)

[@Christian-wm5bq]

Its a crap design, stop crying.

[@constantanxietyattacks6878]

@@Christian-wm5bq It's literally a prototype

[@SebastianTheGreat]

Man, it would suck if Linus used a GPU that the product wasn’t tested for, got mad when it didn’t work, and then sold the prototype at an auction after the 2-man startup that made it asked for it back. And then double & triple down on how the product didn’t work for them. Because that would really suck

[@mikelovesbacon]

Imagine if they did this to a company like nvidia. My god the nvidia lawyers would love it.

[@JDMAddiction-bv9mu]

You know what would suck more? To be Billet Labs and tell LMG that you can use it on a 3090 as well as a 4090 and then be wrong and choose to go and blame other companies in the process for your mistake.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

they never said it would fit a 4090, linus was too lazy to get he right card for the cooler, nice try shill@@JDMAddiction-bv9mu

[@gazzhowarth]

​@@JDMAddiction-bv9muyou tell em son! They deserve to be robbed by Linus /s

[@alittlebitgone]

@@JDMAddiction-bv9mu but that's not what happened.

[@psygonzo7974]

"500 bucks are laying arounnd in bowls as chocolate peanuts at LMG" "500 bucks to correctly test a product two guys spent their life savings on is too much"

[@LubomirGeorgiev]

"They better get the tolerances exactly right.." Proceeds to test with the wrong GPU

[@ChicagoPaul2020]

Wait so you guys installed it on the wrong card despite having instructions, got mad, then illegally sold their prototype without their permission? Wow

[@RubyRose23328]

Not illegal to something that was given to you

[@bran319]

Ya really never heard of a loan eh?@@RubyRose23328

[@TheRealTaco]

@@RubyRose23328 lol so according to you, if you give me your car to drive to mcdonalds, I now legally own the car since it was given to me?

[@swallowedinthesea11]

@@RubyRose23328 Are you a prëd?

[@GamerCheatsForAll]

@@TheRealTacowhy McDonald’s?

[@mangshu21]

They auctioned this prototype without permission. I don't know are they not sued yet. This is disgusting.

[@TheMightyZwom]

A small startup probably lacks the funds to do so. The current outrage would be the perfect time for them to crowd-fund this, I guess...

[@SR-lm1jx]

@@TheMightyZwomhopefully they can find lawyers who work on contingency basis

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

@@SR-lm1jx Contingency? No, money down! -Lionel Hutz

[@GloomGaiGar]

Sueing is expensive.

[@manyamaggot]

They gave Linus a quote for tje prototype lost and Linus said that he will pay what they told them. I guess it's better than going yo court

[@iRDaBrit]

What you guys did to this company is inexcusable. You failed to install the block to the correct card, use the correct install method and then trashed it, only to SELL THE PROTOTYPE THAT WAS NOT YOURS to a 3rd party. You should all be ashamed.

[@Winnson]

It does sound pretty bad when you put it that way. Also, they were sent the correct card with the prototype, but they didn't want to use it, in the interests of shitting all over the company. After watching this video, that's all they were interested in, was shitting all over this company. I look forward to more product reviews in the future. Let's see who's paid them enough to get a thumbs up!

[@chinaman1]

Boo hoo.. So sad you guys

[@datcheesecakeboi6745]

@@chinaman1yknow what yea someone stealing a small startups only prototype for a cooler they probably spent alot of money designing and then trashing that is sad

[@chinaman1]

@@datcheesecakeboi6745 boo hoo so sad.

[@vigour6786]

Hey IRDABRIT did you miss the part in the video where they said the company said it works with the 4090?

[@m0nk3yl0v3r]

This whole fiasco is ironically the best advertising Billet could have ever hoped for, despite you guys trying to fuck them.

[@SimpleLogic-zz1ct]

Sold someone's prototype in an auction. How low can LMG get. If the start up wants to sue LMG I will donate for that

[@rydekk-4644]

@@pedr0_m198 Exactly, but he has no issues showing of emulation boxes full of pirated games. Maybe we should reupload their exclusive floatplane content for all to see, let's see how much they'll enjoy that.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

This apparent theft and defamation is absolutely unacceptable. Imagine having the gall to pretend you run a company with morals and then allow this to happen.

[@Winnson]

They're in the entertainment industry and all about getting paid. What I'd like to know is who paid them to trash this startup. I'm really thinking someone did to go this ham on a prototype. Maybe they're just that incompetent and don't know how to test anything, but if that were the case, no one would pay them to trash the startup. There is true evil afoot here. If it is just ineptitude, no one would pay them to destroy this small company. Occam's razor

[@montypython5521]

Not just allow, he's the one that did it

[@CaptainBlueTech]

Billet labs sent it to them to keep, they didn't ask for it back until the bad coverage. And they offered to get it back Billet said no we would rather have the money.

[@jskemp4]

I normally love LTT. But this was wrong. They seem to have done everything to make it fail. Wrong components, incorrect setup, and total newbies attempting a complicated setup. The information about what makes it a good product was ignored. And I don’t think they mentioned that this product is pre-release, still undergoing testing, and will likely see improvements. This deserve a re-do with proper time given to it. I’m very curious about it. And small companies trying to innovate should be boosted not slammed for comedic value.

[@logipilot]

This comment aged well ❤

[@jskemp4]

@@logipilot seems I wasn’t the only one thinking this haha

[@braddl9442]

This comment nailed it.

[@FreedomAssassin64]

This really aged well lol

[@stavencapp]

its crazy to me that this video is still up........

[@passerby6168]

Yep. Actions (or inactions) speak louder than words.

[@Dori744]

Linus: "My company is valued at $100 million." Also Linus: "I can't afford to spend $500 to retest."

[@edtoomuchfun957]

Wondering how long much longer the company will be getting sponsors and valued at $100 million when they loose subscribers and views because they cant correct themselves.

[@orka16605]

Cost of doing business: $500 Linus: You can't expect me to pay that.

[@VulpineDemon]

Or a $15 notebook

[@boomperson818]

@@edtoomuchfun957 its not that deep lol

[@RayRay-uw6ms]

the company is NOT valued at 100 million LOL

[@editdroid99]

I work for a production company that often does animations demonstrating how engines and other car components work. That being said, kudos to whoever made the animation for the water block! I haven't seen that kind of work from your channel before. Nice upgrade.

[@martinlucio5152]

Donut?

[@editdroid99]

@@martinlucio5152 This makes no sense

[@Mr_Giraffe]

@@editdroid99 I think he means Donut Media, but I suppose that's not where you worked then ;).

[@editdroid99]

@@Mr_Giraffe PowerNation Studios. Carcass, Engine Power, Music City Trucks, and Detroit Muscle.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@editdroid99maybe he thought you were police and was offering you a donut as a sign of peace.

[@Alxium]

I try to stay out of this kinda stuff, but auctioning off the one-of-a-kind prototype of a small start-up after they wanted it back while trashing talking their product is just completely inexcusable and really ought to receive a formal public apology.

[@MJMUnfilteredPodcast]

I actually do not understand why this video is still up. Good pr would be to remove it and say "We got that one wrong and the quality was not up to our standard.".

[@danburycollins]

At which point the many haters in the internet mob will accuse them of a cover-up...

[@lukascholaj6842]

Im very proud of the community coming back to this video after the GN video to show the true disgust for ltt's actions during this process. If its any consolation, this amount of backlash against ltt is putting billetlabs far further into the public image than any competently put together review ever would.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

I am to, but I'm equally disgusted by the apologists that think this is ok, claiming that it's all entertainment. They're the parasocial youtube version of a beta orbiter. They would defend him if he kicked a baby in sure.

[@howardlam6181]

yea but I really don't think those people will be buying this product. Social justice keyboard warrior may be able to donate a few bucks but this thing cost 650 for a small fraction of people who own a 3090ti, which is already outdated.

[@thomask6846]

@@howardlam6181 Thanks God I can order the 4090 version too.

[@Galactiac]

@@howardlam6181 Give me a break. It's a prototype. It's intended for proof of concept. Obviously future versions would be designed for more current cards. You guys twisting yourself into knots trying justify why this thing isn't worth being reviewed properly just like Linus.

[@anarcy7777u]

The fact you guys took the product that this small start up lent you, trashed it based on mistesting the product and then STOLE and SOLD the prototype is actually utterly vile. I could not think of anything worse you guys could have done. You act all high and mighty about protecting consumers, but it literally sounds like the consumers and small business partners need to be protected FROM YOU

[@ramr7051]

dont forget about the part where Linus whines about having to spend $500 to re-shoot the video with accurate results. Rather save $500 than clear up the record after defaming a company.

[@O7sisko]

Linus already commented on it before you typed this comment. research what you’re spewing before you comment again. it was a misunderstanding and they auctioned it for charity. they also said they’re fully compensating billet. don’t watch one KZbin video and judge something solely on that

[@IggyTheHelpless]

@@O7sisko So that makes it okay?

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@O7sisko in what circumstance would a misunderstanding let you sell someone's intellectual property?

[@fadasd]

That doesn't make it ok in the slightest, the company's reputation is still hurt, their development still stalled for months (continues to be to this day), and their best prototype potentially in the hands of a competitor. A true compensation would be very hard to value, considering these factors it is certainly A LOT more than the products initial price, which is the only thing LTT is offering, not even a proper apology.@@O7sisko

[@Alex-wb2yw]

Those gaskets are actually very good at doing their job. A downside is that they usually need to be replaced once you take it apart after its been used for a while. They are pretty common on cars where the throttle is attached to an intake manifold, or a water pump is attached to the block. They see much higher temps and pressures than you will ever see in a pc.

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

you shouldk always replace a gasket if you open something. that's basic maintenance 101 from engines to plumbing, computer parts are no different. it would be like taking a CPU cooler of and reusing the thermal paste

[@sparten17708]

To add, paper gaskets don't require an ultra smooth surface to seal on a material like copper. The copper will deform to seal on the gasket surface. Paper and copper gaskets are one of the oldest styles around. I'd have zero issue trusting it.

[@AidenAlias]

Interesting prototype sure hope no one wrongfully sells it.

[@Walhor]

I honestly hope Billet labs sues or reports you for theft. This is wack

[@justinl9843]

Amen

[@destinsather9757]

Defamation is in order too

[@geoffmcclelland2663]

And to still have this video up. After having a big speech about how they went through and removed/fixed bad vodeos

[@XrX8cX]

Surprised to see this video still up. Considering you kinda tested the block with the wrong card, refused to rest it with the right one and then sold the block you didn't own

[@scottfreedoms9584]

Linus doesn't make mistakes.

[@TheBacktimer]

Did I overhear them mentioning that the company who made this said it might work on a 4090 but they haven't tested it? They are making a 800€ cooling solution for a last-gen graphics card? Oh please

[@theboxman1184]

​@@kenhew4641if you watch the LTT responded they outright say it was a mistake

[@theboxman1184]

They say in the video if you actually watch it that Billit labs told them a 4090 would work. If your told a 4090 can work why would you test the old card

[@TheBacktimer]

@@theboxman1184 Well tbf they said it "might work" but that it wasn't tested and apparently later they produced their 4090 kit. It's really silly how GN folks root for a 100 million lawsuit over a review sample

[@TheLordNugget]

Linus, I worry about how you manage to make it through a build these days. You always find a way to make it far more difficult than it should ever be.

[@TheChzoronzon]

This aged like fine wine

[@quantum5661]

@@TheChzoronzon it sure did

[@JDMAddiction-bv9mu]

It's literally the point though. Nobody wants to watch a build just come together. The entire thing that brings in views is "mistakes" and drama of that sort. That is what the average person wants, this is entertainment more than anything else.

[@giovani5586]

LoL

[@sondesix_]

Aged like a fine wine

[@glockfanboy4635]

I cant believe this video is still up. Still causing damage to the company everytime someone watches the vodeo without reading the comments.

[@rudboy11]

I remember watching this video and thinking, "wait, it wasn't the right card?" "what is the point of this video?" "dang, I would hate for them to feature my product." If the tests are not going to be accurate, then uploading the video can only be hurtful. Either to the company or the consumer. I respect GN for their coverage and I wish LTT would too. GN seeks only to be accurate in their information and fair to the consumer, and I wish LTT would respect that and take it as constructive feedback instead of deflecting. Long time LTT and GN fan.

[@follar00]

Except billet said go for it on using the 4090.

[@calvinweese]

Tips to companies, don't ever send LMG your prototypes, you'll never get it back. So disgusting what they did to this company and to then triple down after selling their property.

[@EckmanJones]

It's just so disappointing to see them treat a company poorly. Billet Labs didn't deserve this level of unprofessionalism and then not get their block only for them to give it away. It really sucks to see a company like LMG after the truth of the situation is brought into the light. It seems like Linus has a problem with proper apologies. They deserve an apology, not him shifting the blame on them.

[@Winnson]

Billet also provided the correct card for the test, but that wasn't used. They also provided instructions, but those weren't used either. This was a product assassination.

[@EckmanJones]

@@Winnson of course Linus makes it worse, he always makes it worse when it comes to his crappy non-apology posts. Sure his loyal cult base is going to eat it up. But the rest of us are looking at dumbfounded that it even happened. For me I see it disrespectful that he's throwing money at it to make the problem go away. It should have never happened. I think it times for Linus to be a silent partner with LMG.

[@EckmanJones]

@Bideford_College nope, not at all.

[@julianscales1807]

hmm

[@CaptainBlueTech]

Billet labs sent it to them to keep, they didn't ask for it back until the bad coverage. And they offered to get it back Billet said no we would rather have the money. This is a dumb product that nobody realistically will buy since it fits in 0 cases and the correct GPU wont fix that.

[@Uufda651]

Linus just parenting everyone else on the shoot is so heckin wholesome and adorable. Especially 10:45, 14:00, 14:39, 14:49, 15:15, 15:56, 16:38, 17:07. Then the juxtaposition of 8:26, 17:27, and 17:41 letting his inner 17 year old out. And being a confused old man at 9:13, confused by Adam's reference to the tv show from his(Adam's) childhood.

[@BrokenIndex1]

What do you think of tracking down their monoblock, buying it back at whatever it costs you, and giving it back to Billet Labs as you should have done long ago? Sounds ethical

[@TheBacktimer]

What kind of startup is it that goes out of business over a review sample? Clearly they are selling it for 800€ to the public. To think that they would depend on a review sample sent to Canada seems a bit naive

[@CaptainBlueTech]

Billet labs sent it to them to keep, they didn't ask for it back until the bad coverage. And they offered to get it back Billet said no we would rather have the money.

[@BrokenIndex1]

says whom?@@CaptainBlueTech

[@BrokenIndex1]

They're not out of business. They sent a prototype for review to a media outlet with 15 million subscribers...@@TheBacktimer

[@CaptainBlueTech]

@@BrokenIndex1 LMG shows the email where billet said "Right. We originally said you could keep it because we thought it would be good for you to have for future builds - it wasn't so you could sell it (whether for charity or not). Then when linus clearly didn't like it, we asked for it back and you agreed." in their 'What do we do now?' video at 13:18

[@XhunterDragon96]

After the recent allegations i have no options but to unsub, it might not mean much but I really feel too heartbroken for the two guys behind this startup. This is the worst nightmare of everyone trying to create something new, having someone of importance vaguely and falsely make everyone believe your product is shit. Very sad, an apology is obviously a must, but that wont fix the mistakes made, and it will probably not give Billet Labs the creditibility they deserve.

[@vincentvega3093]

You do you, but downvoting would at least tell them something

[@hotdogsarepropaganda]

simp more@@vincentvega3093

[@timlolxP]

I mean the product is pretty stupid and nobody should really buy it. Like Linus said, even if the temps are a bit better than ek, what's the point? Maybe some niche buyers with some custom wishes but that's it.

[@gazzhowarth]

​@@timlolxPHow can Linus give an accurate measurement of the performance of the product if he hasn't tested it? Right now we don't know how it performs because of poor testing by LTT. The whole point of products like this is for niche users who know what they are doing, not incompetent ones like these in this video

[@randomman057]

@@timlolxPThis right here is the proper take. It's bespoke hardware. The people who may want this either already know about it, or may have learned about it from this video and looked into it themselves. LTT audience isn't going to go out and buy these in the 1000s or even 100s.

After hearing the backstory to this, I'm really disappointed in LMG and specially Linus. It's completely unfair to treat another company like this

[@dereksbooks]

Mistakes happen. I think that most rational people can forgive honest mistakes, but Linus' out of touch and hypocritical response to this entire fiasco is absolutely inexcusable.

[@KtfoMustang]

@@dereksbooks yeah this wasn't a "mistake"

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

I can't believe this video is still up.

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

@@deejrdee1 They're not your friends mate.

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

@@deejrdee1 It's called criticism. They tried their best to destroy a startup company by being maliciously negligent, they deserve criticism.

[@noneyabizz8337]

​@@GreatYamatanoOrochiguy has a script of a few comments, maybe a bot

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

@@noneyabizz8337 Yeah it must be.

[@goldeneagle47]

​@@deejrdee1 Stop harassing other people. Move on with your life.

[@TheAlaskaninja]

I can't believe they stole the prototype and then auctioned it off, even after they said how expensive prototyping can be when they did the LTT screwdriver.

[@mikelovesbacon]

Total hypocrisy. And LMG are better able to afford those prototypes than this tiny two man startup.

[@scudsturm1]

every screwdriver with a phillips head works for building a pc; go out for a dinner with the money u saved through not buying his s h i t

[@WayStedYou]

and whining that their backpack prototype that they scrapped was found at a goodwill.

[@valuerc2664]

​@@scudsturm1exactly. On top of that, selling a pair of screw drivers for 70$ that cost less than 1$ to manufacture is ridiculous

[@pzaikis]

How many prototypes have LTT sent out for review?

[@PakiJeel]

I think Billet Labs should sue for defammation and theft of intellectual property. LNG needs to be put in its place.

[@TheBrokenEclipse]

13:43 I love how their defense is that they checked it with Alex, the LTT king of jank

[@AlasdairGR]

At least Alex's jank has a little more thought and a lot of solid engineering put into it 😂

[@Thebadbeaver9]

@@AlasdairGRzero solid engineering. zero engineering. he did not graduate with any sort of engineering degree.

[@ShadowlordDio]

@@Thebadbeaver9 i didn´t graduated in civil engineering but i dropped in 5th year because a nuclear plant wanted an expert in 3d CNC design with engineering knowledge.and i am also a technician and 3d designer that worked for seveal industried while studying. i had to move 600 kilometers to work and drop university. but already at 5th year you have already approved stability 1, 2 and 3 , mathematical analisis1, 2 ,3. phisics 1, 2, 3, 4 (quantum phisycs). and add 23 other like that. algebra1, 2, 3. architecture 1, 2... and a long etc of materials, electronics, bla bla bla. so to make a stupid water block you just need to be a high school technician level with cnc classes. it´s hardly zero engineering at that point. tubing, dassault systems, enovia Catia, AutoCad is already learned in secondary schools at least in my country.

[@VijoPlays]

@@Thebadbeaver9 You do know it's possible to engineer stuff without a degree, yes?

[@Silentguy_]

In retrospect this aged like the finest of wines lmao

[@celcius_87]

Linus you really dropped the ball here

[@ChrisH43]

I once trusted ltt. How arrogant can one grow over time... 😢

[@akiraslev4917]

I'll send you the prototype back... "trust me bro"

[@dylanguerrero8053]

Adam & Sebastian is like if the chaotic part of Linus just split off of him and manifested itself into a 2 new people.

[@DisiUndDas]

i thought that was alex.. until now.

[@LaughingOrange]

@@DisiUndDas It used to be Alex, but then Alex calmed down and became more professional in his approach to things.

[@mattBLACKpunk]

Linus sebastien?

[@furrybproductions]

​@@DisiUndDas3 new people

[@furrybproductions]

​@@mattBLACKpunkit's right there in the name, right? 🤣

[@thehedgehogdilemma2904]

insane how this video is still up

[@EuphoricDan]

It'd be a shame if Billet Labs sued you guys for stealing their prototype and inflicting millions of dollars of damage to the growth of their company.

[@hydrobud89]

I hope they do

[@ramr7051]

realistically they couldnt get millions even if they wanted. They were likely only worth a few tens of thousands at most, and LTT probably has good lawyer money.

[@EuphoricDan]

@@ramr7051 Yeah, I know... It's just like, well I've spent the last 14 months designing and building a prototype of my own for something I hope to patent. Basically *all* of my money (and I've been working 6 day weeks as a bricklayer as often as possible to get the money required) for most of that time and in my off time (today included) I design it, build it, solder, study physics/mathematics/electrical engineering. I had to learn CAD (Fusion 360) so I could get custom parts manufactured. I'm learning Verilog so I can program FPGAs because standard microcontrollers (arduinos, Raspberry Pis, etc) can't do what I need. The amount of work, money and passion involved in something like what those guys had at Billet Labs man... That wasn't just some chunk of metal for them, that was their life. I feel for those guys man. That's so fucked up and I don't really give a fuck if Linus cuts them a check now (he said he did on his forums), it's all ruined and fouled because of these incompetent assholes at Linus Media Group.

[@FLAV3R]

I’d be willing to put my money in to a go fund me to help them sue this pile of garbage.

[@Leesboringlife]

What's sad is that one of the guys from billit labs posted a comment respons on this video and it is buried in all the comments and not pinned. LTT can't even pin his comment.

[@kmoecub]

That type of gasket is common in automotive uses. The machining of the part does not have to be perfect. In fact, a really good machinist can make leak-free parts mate-ups without a gasket (Even when the inside is under high pressure).

[@edkrassenstein5534]

cool prototype, it would be a shame if somebody sold it

[@Winnson]

Auctioned! It was auctioned!

[@orka16605]

No one should buy this this product. So we auctioned instead of selling it.

[@nottrevorallen]

"do they call it billet labs because you get a big bill" i dont know linus, you tell us

[@JensDeathlef]

unacceptable to sell their prototype. shame.

[@Ketchuo1323]

It's insane how Linus will casually throw a start up under the bus just to save 500 bucks. Linus is pretty much Elon of the tech youtube space now.

[@Zarnubius]

bro when he said $100-$500 I couldn't believe that he could be so fucking greedy as a multi-millionaire running a huge business. I have less that $3k in savings and *I* would spend the $500 to make things right. He has to have some kind of narcissistic personality disorder. As described: Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a mental health condition in which a person believes they are better than everyone else. It involves a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, *and a lack of empathy.* People with NPD have an inflated sense of their importance and desire external praise and attention. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they *deserve special treatment.* Put someone with those traits in a position of influence and see their ability to self-reflect completely disappear, and get further reinforced as their ego grows with their influence. Not only that, he will *only* be able to puppy dog face and say "woe is me" and feel like the victim because he feels SHAME but doesn't process it as shame, to him it's an unjust attack on a little woopsie when he destroys someone's livelihood for literally no reason.

[@animeleek]

Chill …it’s not that deep

[@user-dofjlkfxv4]

it is very deep@@animeleek

[@IsomerSoma]

​@@animeleek Yes it isn't deep indeed. Its about money-making and ego-tripping.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

What Linus did was bad but he's no Elon. Elon has started multi 100 billion dollar Ponzi schemes and is a American fascist. Tho Linus has started his path onto the way of the tyrannical bourgeois.

[@nickrajewski8358]

The handling of this is shady and disgusting. Testing incorrectly and then auctioning off the prototype is dusturbing. I feel so bad for Billet Labs

[@Grumpy_Wolf]

Glad Jay and gamers nexus now have this to do a proper review.

[@SpaghetteMan]

absolutely disgusting behavior for LTT. How dare you consider yourself a champion for consumers when you blatantly misrepresent hardware with faulty testing, but also ILLEGALLY SELLS the prototype because you refused to follow the contract under which the prototype was sent??? clearly you don't care because you knew the small company couldn't hope to win against you in a court case. What an utter disgrace LTT has become.

[@BlazeAlien]

Leave Linus alone!

[@jebbyy32]

What they did is bad. However, as they say "never attribute malice to something that can be adequately explained by incompetence or stupidity"

[@randombrit13]

​@@jebbyy32continuous and lasting incompetence is called negligence and is a form of malice

[@Winnson]

@@jebbyy32 I attribute malice after watching this video and watching/reading about the whole situation. This was a hit piece from the get go. After this video was recorded, think about how much further they went to try to destroy this startup. This was a hit job. I'd like to know who ordered it.

[@TheBacktimer]

​@@Winnsondestroyed their startup?? 😂 they've sent a review sample to Canada. They got excellent pr, best thing that could happen. Surely it is cnc'd and they have the files. If they are offering this product for sale surely they can reproduce it. Other than that, I agree with Linus' conclusion. Very reasonable video.

[@David-nd4to]

this that waterblock you sold? the one you said youd return?

[@mkimerc]

I’ve been a long time subscriber till about 6 months ago when LTT becomes less about the quality of the videos and more about quantity. That is absolutely fine. What isn’t fine is misrepresenting a SMALL 2 man company’s prototype by not following instructions, using it on the wrong config and trashing it. Not only that you were asked to return their expensive prototype and agreed to do so then proceed to auction it off and pocket the money. How shameless are you?

[@TheChzoronzon]

"Almost completely", seems to be the answer

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@Murdacat So you felt compelled to type a post ten times more useless? Hooray!

[@jebbyy32]

​@@Murdacatthis is kinda the problem I have with the GN video. Countless people are going to parrot talking points they don't quite understand to be part of the crowd.

[@zorafilms]

That's a very nice one of a kind prototype cooler. I hope the company got it back as promised.

[@clipper1083]

After finding out LTT had SOLD the Billet Labs Prototype off at an auction at the last LTT expo despite Billet Labs asking for it back has left me feeling angry at LTT and to be frank I have unsubbed

[@dereksbooks]

It's a shame because I think that there are still some decent people at LTT, but Linus apparently isn't one of them.

[@puckchew]

yea like that will make any change on their side but you'll loose the chance to enjoy more dramas 🤣

[@laowai2000]

GN deserves 15m subs....

[@terbospeed]

The cost for this madness? The respect and trust of the community

[@epicsmg2682]

Ayo how can you auction off a prototype after telling them you were to send it back. What is wrong with you people.

[@Drive-n-Vibe]

I can't believe they've left this video up

[@SirJonneh]

Honestly crazy that this video is _still_ up, continuing to hurt Billet Lab's reputation, after the "we aren't in the wrong" statements on the WAN show, and an absolute dognut nothingburger of an apology.

[@Hrafnskald]

On the plus side, it's doing far worse to LMG right now :)

[@0xTJ]

I think paper gaskets like that are pretty common, and reliable, though I don't know how well they respond to reuse like that after opening it.

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

they don't.... they hate being reused, generally speaking.

[@moralitositos]

Yap. It's a one use only.

[@bacon.cheesecake]

Yeah, cars, at least older ones, use them a bunch

[@philipprauh1596]

On motorcycles we reuse them pretty often. If they are relatively clean and not damaged they work fine a second time.

[@sophiophile]

​@@philipprauh1596I usually just give them a spray with adhesive to 'reinforce' them if I don't have a new one handy. I know it's probably not recommended, but I've never had any issues as a result.

[@manos7469]

"We didn't sell it! We auctioned it..."

[@tejpy]

oh come on, you put more time to make quality ads than the ACTUAL video...

[@BackToTheStart47]

Steve's video just shows that LTT is a another soulless company.

[@ReimaginedAudioCinema]

Just watched Gamer Nexus's take on LMG! wow this has raised major concerns for me!!

[@CrimFerret]

Darn good thing they aren't pressing criminal charges. Selling stolen goods (that block NEVER was LTT's property to sell) is a crime. Might well be at felony level if it was an engineering prototype. Maybe there's a lawyer out there who'd take this pro-bono to get some sort of settlement for Billet. If I were Linus, I'd be making a very embarrassed public apology at the least. Whomever bought that block could very easily end up having to return it. That it was for charity doesn't matter one little bit. It was not theirs to sell.

[@dereksbooks]

There's little chance that he'll address this issue again. He'll lie low and hope that most of his viewers forget about it in a few months (and most of them probably will).

[@GregHali]

They really deserve the lawsuit.

[@richard-gn3es]

If billet could have they would have. We don't have all the information about this. Im tired of jumping on a bandwagon.

[@NTxC]

Shocking that this video is still up. Absolutely shocking.

[@ThatGuyNikolas]

If by any freak chance whoever got a hold of that waterblock ends up reading this. Please do the right thing here. even just sending BIllet labs an email asking if they want it back. I know you probably spent a good chunk of money on it. So if LMG aren't planning to remburce you, I realize that I'm asking a lot here. But please at the least consider it...

[@ceebee]

Unlikely to happen, as it's thought the people who bought it are competitors.

[@zainalabdly2457]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.

[@BigJMC]

“We didn’t sell it, we auctioned it” - LTT 2023

[@ALVIN1920]

The fact that this video is still up after everything that has demonstrated to be wrong with it (everything from the ethics to the technical mistakes of it) it’s insane, almost criminal. Billet labs should sue after the way they have been misrepresented

[@1978jman1978]

disappointed you'd apparently auction off another companies prototype.

[@Metal_Maxine]

12:42 Linus has fallen hard into his Dad Space - Adam is using the tubing as a jump rope and Linus is just getting on with the build.

[@willowz7458]

I remember watching the video first time, and had a hard time watching them handle the prototype. Just disappointed with the irresponsibility of Linus.