AMD is in TROUBLE - Ryzen 7000 Full Review - Ryzen 7600X, Ryzen 7700X, Ryzen 7900X, Ryzen 7950X

[@LinusTechTips]

Corrections: 1. 2:06 Our Ryzen 7000 and Intel 12th Gen test benches were equipped with 6000MHz CL36 RAM, as per AMD's recommendation. 2. 11:09 The x-axis label should read "CPU Package Power (W) - Lower is Better"

[@samgranier6735]

Thx 1138 lot 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@labradors6825]

you should pin this comment.

[@hugodivalinov2909]

Also the name of the guy is Celsius, not Celcius;)

[@anlukinha8764]

3. 12:30 "But Linus, you might say..."

[@shiningstar9403]

Those mistakes were sponsored by INTEL 😂

[@couriersix2443]

Having your previous gen "niche" part outperform most of your new gen parts goes to show how insane 3D V-Cache is. Now if they were to debut it on Zen4 as a 7800x3D...

[@Vilmir]

Rumor has it that it's coming sooner than it came for 5000.

[@acmenipponair]

also it helps AMD in getting MORE customers. Because not everyone will go to the newest CPU - the costs are higher and it's still a first gen of AM5, and many, especially companies, are not early adopters. But they know, they can still upgrade their Zen 1 to a Zen 3 in the future and get quite the performance of a Zen 4. (Don't forget, that many companies will be forced to do that in 2023-2025, when Windows 10 gets into the finish line of their support time thanks to Microsoft schenanigans)

[@Woolsupgamers5]

@@Vilmir I hope so!

[@dcxSpartan117]

7000 series vcache might show it's face Q1 23'

[@couriersix2443]

@@Vilmir I would hope so, the Zen3 launch was the first of it's kind / more of a "test run", and now that it's been proven to be a real game changer, I'd imagine it shouldn't take long for them to start slapping it into possibly more than just 1 SKU this gen

[@MisterFribble]

More than anything this highlights just how *insane* the 5800X3D is. I can't wait for the 3D 7000 chips.

[@cringeremasterd8101]

AMD AND COUNTER STRIKE ARE BEST FREINDS PROVE ME WRONG

[@reviewforthetube6485]

You mean the i9 12900k ans 5800x3d because the 12900k was right there with the 7950x also.

[@superneenjaa718]

@@reviewforthetube6485 it's the KS one. 5800x3d beats the regular 12900k.

[@wwllsswtrustong]

zen4 with 3d v-cache, it's gonna be incredibly hot

[@IamAWESOME3980]

LOL

[@Ducaso]

Honestly having integrated graphics saved my butt when my dedicated gpu died on me suddenly and it was next to impossible to source a new one during the shortage. Sure quality and frames took a huge hit but it was still usable (and playable) to the point that by the time I received a new card over a year later I had gotten used to it lol.

[@probablykeen]

Doesn’t happened enough the last 5 years for me to care about integrated graphics

[@PPlankBeam]

Yep, and that's why I took the decision last year to buy a 5600G rather than an X and lost a few CPU benchmark points. But in daily driving I honestly wouldn't know. I had to test out the integrated graphics without my discrete GPU in and if you're happy to reduce the graphics quality a little, games will still look and work fine. Not great, but not bad either, so it makes a good lifeboat if the worst happens until you can afford a new discrete GPU.

[@jtenorj]

@StrizFPS I've been having random crashes in my system since I installed a RX 6700 XT(PowerColor Fighter). Which model RX 6700 XT is giving you trouble?

[@swapnilgohil7280]

Gamers when they find they don't have to but the most expensive hardware

[@tsubakichan]

I just got a 5600X / B550(M) setup as my first AMD chip. When I was doing my install, I thought I had b0rked everything because the PC wouldn't boot to BIOS and the Mobo kept giving me beeps. That's when I learned I had to have my GPU installed in order to test... (I didn't know lack of iGPU meant the mobo video out is worthless.)

[@fdfd4739]

The thing that sells it for me are the minimums. They kill in averages, but the actual experience improvement is unreal.

[@slartibartfast2649]

Not "unreal" improvements. We have seen uplifts greater than this before. Actually quite disappointed. The high end is crazy fast for sure, but draws 250W and the low end is not very impressive in terms of price to performance vs last gen Intel.

[@jordanwardle11]

@@slartibartfast2649 I mean, every uplift from after the 80s is quite disappointing, making games go from unplayable to bearly playable

[@DarkSwordsman]

I'm interested to know how those minimums are measured. The 3950X had reported decent minimums, but the actual experience in some games is nearly unplayable (at least for someone like me that values smoothness) due to the CCX design. Even a game like minecraft which is often a cakewalk today often has stutter and hitching issues that make it difficult to enjoy. I've seen this with every game I play and it makes me almost wish I went 9th gen Intel at the time since the other Intel systems in my family were getting higher and smoother FPS.

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

The 5800X3D is a beast and I've had nothing but great experiences with it.

[@dreku8743]

Fr that 3d cache is a Monster

[@ahmedrazick4946]

A 7800x3d is gonna be so good

[@MisterFribble]

I think it'll go down in history like the i7-4790K. A true monster.

[@deweyoogwey]

glad you guys have friends to impress meanwhile

[@serdarcam99]

@@MisterFribble i have i7-4790K working on 4.5ghz its still rocks beats even the newest entry level quad cores after all these years

[@sourdonkeyjuice]

In your benchmarks I think I can speak for a lot of people using older parts like my Ryzen 9 3900XT that we'd like to see the difference between these older parts and the brand new ones. Not just a comparison between the brand new one and the one that came out right before. It's a pretty small portion of your audience that has the newest one that's out and looking to upgrade to the next one immediately.

[@DracoMhuuh]

Preach

[@o3941]

You would think it would be pretty simple for them They had to have tested those chips in the past. I'm sure we could all go-a-searching for those videos and then compare the numbers, but, like, they should already have thosen umbers. How hard is it to add another slide to their video and 30 seconds of script to account for it?

[@allxtend4005]

to be honest you will not see big differences. the ting is a Ryzen 3900xt is still more then enough to handle even 4k gaming with 60 - 100+ fps

[@valenten89]

Gamers nexus has a test that includes the Ryzen 7 1700 for what its worth.

[@nickskier1]

That might be too much data for a video though, a lot to compare in 15 minutes. Maybe if they start posting an online website summary that be great. But I think the reason still is good enough to just show against the last gen, is this is more about what should you buy next, its a worthy comparison since last gen chips will still be sold for a little while and be cheaper, to see if its worth it to actually get the newest gen

[@morpheus_9]

6:16 I would say that a 40% lead going from the 5700X to the 7700X is mighty impressive.

[@ThePointman-n2l]

also in price as today

[@jezuconz7299]

I was literally already thinking about waiting for the 3D-version of the 7000 series to build my pc from scratch before this video. This only further confirms it. I'm expecting 7000-3D to be an absolute BEAST

[@iGPR3]

maybe theyll splash out and do a 7600x with a 3d v cache aswell.. i can see that selling fast

[@JJAB91]

When is that supposed to release?

[@ismaelsoto9507]

@@JJAB91 Rumors says Q1 2023

[@iGPR3]

@@JJAB91 the normal stuff releases sometime tomorrow and the V cache isnt gonna be for another few months.. although it is rumoured to be earlier than the launch of the 5800X3D its not gonna be here for a while. the 5800X release in nov 5th of 2020 and the 5800X3D released in april of 2022, so its gonna be a hot minute before the 7000 series’s 3D releases.

[@iGPR3]

@@ismaelsoto9507 that seems pretty early, i was thinking more like late Q2 early Q3 before the release it

[@802Garage]

I think this is just a simple case of early adopters paying the price. As more affordable motherboards come out, more DDR5 RAM is available, and sales start happening, it will all make more sense from a financial standpoint. There's no doubt the performance is impressive. Now give us the Zen 4 3D chips!

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Normally I would agree, but new gens are usually associated with significant performance improvements. The improvements with these chips don't seem to be gamer oriented. So, adoption will be much slower, and therefore the rate the price comes down will be tantalizingly slow.

[@OfSheikah]

I don't think the case of the 5800X3D early adopters is a rushed type of decision those buyers made

[@agentooe33AD]

@@marcfruchtman9473 Actually, that would hasten the prices lowering. If there's not a high demand, they'll have to lower prices to get people to buy them. The initial Zen 4 chips were primarily designed for servers and laptops (hence the iGPU), and enough gamning performance to compete. The V-Cache models are the ones to get ifyou want next gen. Current prices are for early adopters only. Once that crowd gets their fill, prices will go down. Most gamers will likely just stick wtih a 5800x3d and DDR4 if they're building now, or one of the cheaper intel chips. Next year will be when gamers start adopting AM5 when the V cache chips come out.

[@marcfruchtman9473]

@@agentooe33AD I would like to think that. But lately, I am seeing companies simply "holding out"... and waiting for the public to simply adapt to the higher prices. So, I don't have a lot of hope that things will improve.

[@zkeepah]

@@agentooe33AD or they'll just simply make less product, price only goes down if they have overstock, and once it's in a retailer's hands, amd's already got their check, regardless of what kind of sales the retailer has to pull to get rid of it

[@Agent_Eli]

I was about to feel dumb for recently getting a 5800X3D, but hot damn these benchmarks are really validating my poor foresight.

[@icemanchambers1207]

It should be illegal to own that shit

[@mrtube827]

Updates, Drivers…

[@jasoncohen5469]

X3D? I've had the 5800x since launch didn't know there was an updated model.

[@meteormelee]

keep in mind, the 5800x3d is more of a gaming oriented CPU. notice how it didn't show up on any of the productivity benchmarks here? the 7000 series are still really capable chips for both gaming/productivity, but the 5800x3d is mainly just good for gaming. (not that it's bad)

[@ZboeC5]

@@meteormelee I like how you just casually dismiss how awesome a 5800X is....get outta here with that nonsense. The 5800X3D is going to do just as well as any 5800X, except it does better in games.

[@TheSeanUhTron]

Whatever the case, I'm just glad that AMD and Intel are finally very competitive (In the desktop/laptop market). It was rather annoying during the 2010's when AMD had no competitor to Intel's top chips. The huge gain in single core performance has convinced me to upgrade my 3900x to a 7900x. Although, Intel is still not competitive enough with AMD's EPYC server CPU's, and barely competitive with Thread Ripper. In that segment, you're better off going AMD.

[@wdunn06]

Im in the same boat, ive got a 3900x right now and cant decide what to upgrade to. Its driving me nuts!

[@TheSeanUhTron]

​@@wdunn06 I got my 7900x a few days ago. Awesome performance, but the DDR5 side of it seems to be a little bit finicky. It took me an hour just to get it to boot. Had to turn off EXPO, then it started working. Turned EXPO back on yesterday and suddenly it's working fine now. Except POST takes like, 20-30 seconds. It apparently has to "train" the DDR5 timings during POST and that can take a long time. My advice: Give it a few months. There's also the rumored Zen 4 X3D versions coming in January!

[@wdunn06]

@The SeanUhTron Thanks for your advice mate I appreciate it. I never knew the ddr5 had to be essentially trained, interesting. What is this X3D thing I keep seeing it man?

[@TheSeanUhTron]

@@wdunn06 X3D is 3D V-Cache, it's essentially a massive L3 cache which can improve performance by a significant amount.

[@grn1]

I've got a 5800X I bought not all that long ago (I think the X3D was technically available but I couldn't find any at a reasonable price). Don't game all too often nowadays (I'd like to fix that but I've got to get my arse in gear and find a different job), so I'm in no rush to upgrade. Next upgrade will probably be a graphics card but my old RTX2700 is still going strong and only struggles with a couple of games that are probably not well optimized.

[@DarthRambo007]

Cant wait for this to be available at my region in 3 yrs

[@thepotatopcguy8907]

what region are you in?

[@mug7692]

I feel you man

[@JATTI_]

Tomorrow (27 september) is the date sales begin world wide. Just confirmed at my local dealer and I live in kind of shitty reagion for computer stuff (prices are high and availibility is slow)

[@Edge_of_Sanity]

ebay?

[@woodroemitchell2848]

Dang what region is that?

[@vericksworkshop5007]

As others have said the new variety of productivity benchmarks is great but as a mechanical engineering student, it would be nice to see benchmarks for CADing softwares too. I'm sure it would be useful for ltt engineers as well. :)

[@4473021]

May as well have them run FEA benchmarks too lol

[@TitanUnleashed7]

Yes I complete agree with this! I wanna see Ansys fea simulations lol

[@antoine3957]

Well, as CAD Software is mostly single threaded you should look mainly at the single core performance

[@the_maker1841]

I second, also a Mechanical engineering student

[@bingbing3464]

You should be using gpu acceleration on CAD.

[@gehenna_ca]

AMD has already stated that there will be 3D cache versions of Zen 4. I'm guessing they'll be released after Intel 13000 series drops. It will allow AMD to see significant increases without having to change anything else and still compete with the new Intel chips.

[@wandewboi]

@Steve Sherman bro what are you talking about late, they weren’t allowed to release a review until today. They would get sued. Second of all, just because amd didn’t quite live up to the hype doesn’t mean that the review was biased.

[@jpfidalgo7]

That sounds like a good plan. Let’s cross fingers, because we shall not deny any uplifts in performance. Only when the price goes to insanity as well.

[@Churchgrimm]

@@wandewboi Look at his other comments on the channel, absolutely a troll.

[@NigraXXL]

Does anyone know if 3d v cache would technically be compatible with more powerful apus? I'm waiting for the 7th gen apus with rdna3 before upgrading so I can assign the integrated graphics to a VM

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

Intel 13th gen is coming in 1-2 months. 3D V-cache versions of Zen 4 probably won't be released until ~6 months from now, at which point they'll be close to cutting in on their own launch for next year. It's a bit of a weird strategy.

[@crosshunter3316]

Well, Linus convinced me that my purchase of 5800x3D was a good choice, well done Linus!

[@supersaiyansoldier1977]

Same lmao. Bought mine a few weeks ago and feeling a lot better after watching the video.

[@carl5381]

BIG YUP

[@Devin7Eleven]

Got mine for $250

[@phurinkazan]

people who play flight sim actually "downgrade" to the 5800x3d from higher tier chips.

[@brunther]

@@Devin7Eleven from where??

[@rene2778]

It would have been nice if the 5800x3d was added in the productivity charts. The gaming numbers were impressive enough to take a second look before upgrading from 5000 series to 7000 series.

[@itsmyright2229]

Seconded

[@karehaqt]

The extra cache doesn't benefit productivity software as much (if at all) as it does games, hence why the 5800X3D was touted as the CPU for gamers. In some cases it performs worse than the 5800X due to the lower clock speed.

[@mrsuperselenio5694]

@@karehaqt Hence why I am going for a 5800x instead of 3D, main priority is work, I can live without those extra frames

[@keylatheace_dcs127]

in productivity, even the 5800X (non 3D) is better, and for the same price you can get a 5900X

[@DavidAlfredoGuisado]

Yes put the 5800X3D running Linux where it consistently outperforms the rest of Zen 3 CPUs in many professional apps.

[@Arch3r666]

That moment of an experiment of X3D working too well that it becomes the expectation and benchmark new chips needs to actually beat.... AMD should never stop being AMD with all those innovations

[@lencas112]

rumors say that we can expect zen4 x3d to launch 1/4 quater next year. and if they won't cost 1k would be a beast for a gaming cpu

[@riel0563]

@@lencas112 it'll probably be 50 to 100 more than the non 3d

[@damienjeremytrotman84]

@@riel0563 That's a good price.

[@dirg3music]

This seems to be a pattern with AMD, just like with threadripper and EPYC, they're their own biggest competition. You love to see that type of thing, shit like that moves the entire industry forward by putting competitors feet to the fire. Now you've got an Intel that's hungry and actually trying to top the charts. We all win in these exchanges.

[@weasle2904]

@@riel0563 Definitely not, AMD is going to CRUSH Intel in gaming performance and will probably demand a price premium. Although Intel will likely slash their prices to under cut AMD. Probably will do a similar strategy to last year, cut all CPU prices then release the X3D chips at around the same for slightly higher than previous MSRP.

[@berniecat8756]

The APUs are extremely helpful for folks who need to do GPU pass through to a virtual machine.

[@DeeezNuts]

thats why i want an AMD cpu, enjoying my time in linux but i just need a better cpu for VM's to play seige and warzone, my i5-7600k wont handle that

[@ninammnn]

Agreed

[@ThinkAboutVic]

@@DeeezNuts literally every intel cpu has a variant with iGPUs lmaoo

[@avarise5607]

@@ThinkAboutVic yes, but more cores = linux kvm happy

[@mahfudzk]

@@ThinkAboutVic F suffix exist

[@dazzauk8334]

The only reason i have gone with Zen4 is, my last PC was AM3 so i needed to buy a whole new setup. It made sense for me to get the latest Zen4 because i can afford it, and those 3D versions on this gen excite me alot.

[@lol_vevo]

I know it's kind of a niche thing, but I'm glad all chips have integrated graphics, comes in handy if you want to pass your dedicated graphics card to a VM

[@DoubleU159]

Integrated graphics would’ve saved me a lot of time troubleshooting when my gtx 1080 just decided to die.

[@durschfalltv7505]

Exactly. And DDR5 is super usefull for that. I currently run looking glas with a rx 560 and a gtx 760 and a r7 5800x. (i am in the middle of setting it up). A r7 7700x would be perfect since it ahs the beef to power a vm + host and ddr5 enables fast enough vram so you are not limited in resolution or framrate when it comes to your vm. Because i heared igpu's because of it's ram based vram are limited in performance but ddr5 could bring a big boost. Maybe we can see quad hd on a igpu then. i heared 1080p is like the limit with current igpu's. I am really exited.

[@a36538]

Hasn’t Intel had this for years? Decades even?

[@durschfalltv7505]

@@a36538 yes. but now ddr5 is more affordable.

[@TonyTwo8192]

@@a36538 Not all of their chips have it, only some.

[@treloarw]

Haven’t finished the video yet but. Isn’t this just yet another testament to the badassery of 3d v-cache??? Cannot wait to see results of their first ones on this generation!

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Same. Everything they've said about V-cache to date has been along the lines of, "Yeah, the 5800X3D was a beta test. Just wait for next gen. 😎"

[@MrYodaBomb]

I'm sure u finished the video by now, but yes 3D vcache is dope. But my biggest takeaway was the MASSIVE improvement in minimums. That's a very black and white form of progress imo because there is no * for clarity or 'technically correct' when your minimum gains are off the chart.

[@jackpowell9276]

@@MrYodaBomb Id love to see the charts with only minimum FPS on. It is ultimately, the core experience for gaming.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

Honestly, the fact they aren't releasing a CPU with V-Cache with these others may be the difference that keeps me with Intel - coming from a 10 year old i7-3970X.

[@nirast2561]

Two things I got from this video: - I'll probably upgrade to a 5800X3D soon-ish, then move to AM5 when the 8000 or 9000 series launches. - The design of the new boxes is FIRE!

[@endless2239]

I'd wait for when they announce the r7 7800x3D for that, either it will be the better option, or the 5800x3D gets a considerable cut in price. Although Idk how "soon-ish" that be.

[@dawsongooch4194]

I got my B450M, 2600x, and 5700 at a great time back in 2019. Paid like $700 for the whole build. Will probably need to shell out $800-1000 later this year to get a 5800x3D and next gen Radeon GPU, but then I should be set until 9000 or 10000 series. And by then AM5 prices should have dropped nicely

[@Milkdromida]

@@endless2239 The R7 7800x3D will cost far, far more than it'll be worth when factoring in a new motherboard and RAM. For most (including me), The 5800x3D is probably the way to go. Amazon has a sale coming up, and I'm hoping it'll be included. However, I'm still using 2400Mhz RAM, and I don't know whether to upgrade that or just take the 7000 series route.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

im going 5950x and will upgrade to zen 5 or even zen 6

[@Milkdromida]

@@ThaexakaMavro Are you sure that's the right choice? Is gaming your focus or do you do other productivity tasks. If gaming is what you are after, get the 5800x3D

[@michaelboehme7964]

Linus talking about his backpacks warranty: "Trust me bro, I gotchu" Linus talking about buying literally anything else: "Dont purchase a promise" @12:35

[@StaySic4Ever]

Yeah exactly what I expected, very good improvements, but 3D-cache shows it's amazing tech, so definitely waiting for 3D-cache SKU for sure.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

I bought a 5700x and put it in my ancient x370 motherboard back in April. I was able to OC it to 4.7Ghz. I think I'm set on the CPU side of things for a few years. It was a MASSIVE upgrade over my 2700x @ 4.2Ghz. I also just got an RX 6750 XT to replace my 1080 ti. This is the first time in nearly 5 years I've refreshed my desktop. It feels good to finally be able to do it for good prices, especially since Zen 3 parts are really cheap right now.

[@RYzE_B3Y0ND]

Hell yeah. I just did the same upgrade recently plus went to faster and higher capacity RAM for the cost of the 7600X alone.

[@GOPACKERSJT]

@@RYzE_B3Y0ND I actually upgraded ram as well. I was able to get up to 3800mhz and 1900mhz on the fclock.

[@VietboyGamerUSA]

did you sell your GPU if so how much?

[@GOPACKERSJT]

@@VietboyGamerUSA no I sold my fiance's GTX 1080 to a friend of ours for a deal (he was on a dying r9 290x) and then she took my old 1080 ti.

[@quann06]

I went from 2700x to 5900x.

[@yellowflash511]

I take this very positively tbh just imagine Zen 4 3d chips which we know are coming. Zen 4 is great I might build a full AMD build next year, now waiting for Radeon 7000 in Nov.

[@Soutar3DG]

@@_____alyptic Very possibly, with Zen 5 we should be getting more cores as well, using a sort of Big Little design, Zen 5 chiplet and Zen 4c chiplet, the one that's going to be used in Bergamo, the server chip, could be the Zen 5 chiplet has cache on top for pure gaming perf etc, whereas the Zen 4c chiplet is for lower power, more multitasking stuff etc, who knows what might happen.

[@Freestyle80]

amd fanbois will take everything they do positively, buy the product not the freaking name of the company that made it

[@gthakur17]

I was ready to jump ship to amd last time but couldn't. Next time i am definitely going for it

[@boomdaus]

Anyone else remember owning a radeon hd 7000 series and was confused for a second

[@lst96]

@@Freestyle80 Have you met intel fanboys? lmao

[@Anxiou5Panda]

The numbers are getting crazier, but I am mostly impressed with the inclusion of integrated graphics. I think at this point, all CPUs should have it, regardless if it's from Intel, AMD, or even Apple. Really helpful when your graphics card suddenly becomes dysfunctional or just dies and you can't buy a new one right away.

[@Mral236d]

Literally just went through this and luckily my 9900k had integrated graphics on it. My 3090 fan fell off and completely went out on me. Luckily I still had a year and a half left on my warranty so it got replaced, but I would’ve been without a computer that I need for work for over a week if I didn’t have integrated graphics.

[@Anxiou5Panda]

@@Mral236d Glad you still have that warranty mate. Buying a new graphics card these days is just depressing, and yeah, yours is one of the many proofs justifying the inclusion of internal graphics. I got fired because my laptop died on me (although it is not GPU related), but the idea is, without a working desktop/laptop computer, you could have potentially suffered the same experienced I had.

[@mannyheffley5481]

Gen 3 pentium integrated graphics run most indie games at 60fps

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

By the time I see these upgrades, the prices will come down to where AM4 are now. I'll be sticking with my 5800X for now.

[@tardvandecluntproductions1278]

I got the same chip, idk why anyone would hop over that fast. My I7 2600K lasted 9 years, I'm sure the 5800X will do fine for at least 8 years with gaming.

[@Hawkywind]

And quite honestly, If it did come to upgrading. the 5800X3D would be a better upgrade from say a 5600x(In my rig) value wise than swapping to Zen 4, buying new Mobo and RAM AND the CPU itself.

[@gamingpriests]

CPU's are very long lasting parts. I've never owned one for shorter than 5 years and I've never had a single issue in anything I needed to do with it. Buying a good CPU once every 5 or even 6 years is the way to go.

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 Yeah, and as I said, prices for AM5 and DDR5 will have dropped to where AM4 is now when I need to build a new PC. The only upgrade I'm considering is the 5800X 3D

[@eduardoarancibia169]

I'm happy with my 3800x

[@eriatarka1983]

I have a feeling my 5800X & RTX 3070 combo is going to hold me over for quite a few years.

[@Finckelstein]

Why wouldn't it? It's an amazing mid-range budget combo. They're supposed to hold for a few years. Even my 5800h/3070 Laptop is going to hold for years to come. Upgrading every other year is economically and ecologically unfeasbible.

[@Terepin64]

The low VRAM is a limitation even in some of today's games. And it'll get only worse with time.

[@ChrisGreeceChris]

YEAP no need to upgrade!

[@superblitz2274]

@@Finckelstein man in what world is 5800x 3070 "budget" lmao

[@Aaron14LifeZZZ]

@@superblitz2274 lol i was like wth is the guy talking about, thats high end

[@outka5tz]

I went out on a limb and upgraded my 2nd gen ryzen 5 to a 5800x3d on launch day and this video has made me happy 🤣

[@starrims]

I’m also thinking what to do!

[@dtrjones]

The 5800x3d is starting to suffer though when paired with top-tier GPUs like a 4090, checkout LTT 13900K review goes into more details. However, I imagine you bought this for MSFS and that gives fantastic performance, probably the best in that sim.

[@outka5tz]

@@dtrjones fortunately I don't have to worry about its performance with top tier GPUs because I'll never be able to buy one lol. I play a bit of everything, never got msfs though.

[@derelictdiva]

I just want to say, I saw your recent video about how you have 80 people working at LTT now, and having watched since there were was like 10-14 of you? I’m so damn happy and proud of my fellow Canadian techies! But also, it shows! The writing and production quality of your videos is so so high! I loved the red background with the blue banana and the ‘redblueredblue’ going across the screen! So many little details that just make this (and all your videos) look SO professional! Good job team!

[@khalilahd.]

Random but I just wanted to say I’m starting to dip my toe into the tech world and your videos have helped me out a lot so thank you 🙏🏽

[@joncarter3761]

Looking forwards to the gaming focused 7800X 3D and 7600X 3D reviews, I have a feeling they'll be held until after Intel announces 13th gen though so AMD can decide on how to price them.

[@ligametis]

Who cares about 3D versions? They are worse

[@beemrmem3]

@@ligametis no

[@g45h96]

I'd love a 7900 or 7950x3D considering how the performance has been proven.

[@g45h96]

@@ligametis did you literally not watch the video?

[@ligametis]

@@g45h96 I watched. 3D version is useless. It cost more and performed worse in productivity. And who really cares if you get 200 or 240fps on the best GPU. In realistic scenario GPU will bottleneck way earlier than cpu

[@THEMISOGYNISER]

i love LGA sockets,no more fear of pulling the cpu cooler and grabbing the cpu with it

[@woodroemitchell2848]

yooooo… I was so scared when this happened to me on my first time.

[@khalilahd.]

😂😂

[@johnricang8791]

@@woodroemitchell2848 same lmao, I even cried because I dont know if its broken or something. My parents will surely get angry with me but thankfully, it still boots up. Lesson learned, dont use the pre applied thermal paste from the amd cooler AHHAHAHAHAH

[@VigneshBalasubramaniam]

I prefer PGA. It's easier to fix the pins.

[@myPHPnotes]

Plot twist. What if the stucked CPU drops on Motherboard pins? :P

[@JrPlays]

For the first time in my life from making my way up the ladder I’ve hit the purchase on the 7950x as my gaming station is also my primary workstation. Excited as all heck

[@julians2k917]

How is it? Im also using my pc for work and gaming. Still running 9900k. Been thinking to get an new rtx4000 or building a new system with the 7950x

[@JrPlays]

@@julians2k917 the life of my vms being able to have basically the computing power of my original pc has never been better. I’m currently running jt with my 3070, I don’t play too demanding games to see a reason to go to 4000 series yet. But the cpu was definitely worry it Edit if you want to see the beginnings of my KZbin channel work see it at the channel @codewithj3625

[@julians2k917]

@@JrPlays Thx! im looking into it too but maybe i will just upgrade to a 4090 for now because i mostly need gpu power for my work and wait for the 7000xd to release.

[@xDLiLi1337]

7950x is overkill for gaming... Buy a 7600x and get a better graphics card

[@ncjim]

Why would you do that? Wait 8 months and get the 7800x3d for gaming. Itll blow every game out of the water

[@BigB-ch2ou]

Now it’s time for their official GPU announcement!

[@PyroBlonde7777]

@@Noah-lj2sg I hope lol

[@goromir7093]

For me the 580x3d was like a gift by amd for all the people who wanted a final upgrade for their am4 platform Everyone can enjoy more performance, even if they want to upgrade to a new platform or not. It's a win win situation in my opinion

[@vivago727]

At the one hand, yes, you can upgrade a b350 with ryzen 5800x3d for amazing gaming performance. But if you're like me and build a pc at the start of ryzen you probably still use the same gpu as back then. got a r5 1600 and a 1070ti. If i would get a 5800x3d i would leave so much performance on the table if i didn't upgrade my gpu as well. If you factor this in it's probably not worth it so it'd be better to wait for a ryzen 7000x3d cpu instead and upgrade the whole pc.

[@torukmahtomahto409]

@@vivago727 you can upgrade to 5600 non x for 150 till 8000x3d and lower ddr5 prices for a nice bump

[@Caseycallender]

Yeah, that and it was a preview for what's to come when they release the AM5 X3D chips toward the end of the year 👀👀. Can't wait, these are the new sauce, Intel can still suuuuccckkkkk iiiittttt.

[@LeftJoystick]

In some ways, I regret getting a 5900X. Oh well, I'm GPU bound anyways haha.

[@MIBxSpartan]

I want to see a video on how different DDR5 speed effects performance now. Been hearing 6000 MHz is the sweet spot but does that mean it’s pointless to get faster ram?

[@luk4s195]

for games there is at least no difference between 6000 and 6400. and everything beyond is way too expensive for only measurable gain

[@ChristianBrugger]

Also higher speeds only increase the memory bandwidth, not the latency. And that bandwidth is not very useful in games, which fully use only a few of the cores.

[@CRneu]

ram speeds aren't really impactful on everyday life. it's one aspect you really shouldn't focus on too much. The price difference in speeds does not equate to the same difference in performance.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

I don't know. Steve at Hardware Unboxed found a 7% uplift in performance from using 6400. I think it may depend on your chip.

[@johnnypopstar]

Hardware Unboxed dove in to that in their video today, have a look there

[@Sethicorn]

Loving the info here, although I wish you'd have included the 5800X3D in the various sets of benchmarks... I have a 5900X and was thinking the 5800X3D might be a more reasonable upgrade than the 7000 series, since I could retain all my existing hardware. What are your thoughts?

[@Kevin-gf4im]

I did this but I play mmo's. GW2, BDO and wow all 30+fps gains over my 5900x.

[@ZboeC5]

@@Kevin-gf4im To be fair the 5900/5950 weren't supposed to be the gaming chips. People just tried to make them into that. The 5800X was the sweet spot because all the cores and cache were a single chip instead of the chiplet design where everything works until whatever is in cache gets split or the workload ends up split between the two chiplets which hurts performance. That's why they added the 3D cache to the 5800 and not the 5900/5950 in the first place. It was in the best place to take advantage of that performance uplift. Considering the benchmarks I'd say AMD hit that one square on the head...almost too well.

[@thanlan]

The 5800x3D was a beast (for gamers atleast) just imagine the new 3d cpus that we know that are coming!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It still is and will be for quite some time I suppose... and even the non-3D is.

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

​@@CakePrincessCelestia next year q1 that's soon bruh

[@TheK9music]

@@OC.TINYYY Source?

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

@@OC.TINYYY "doubt it" and yet to claim meteor lake will surely come out next year q2 . You know intel just missed its official gpu date?🃏

[@mitchellj.9360]

Linus, LOVE the results of Lab. Super excited to see how much more depth you guys will get in these reviews as time goes on.

[@RamBoZamBo123]

This was probably just Anthony doing his benchmark magic.

[@aaronchamberlain4698]

@@RamBoZamBo123 Sounds like they were using their new game automation test sweet. Also, those relative performance graphs are new I think. Don’t think they’ve done that before.

[@kinpact6100]

I was wondering why in their CS:GO testing that the 12600K was behind Ryzen 5000 when in their review for alder Lake they showed the 12600K beating almost all AMD's CPUS?

[@fried28056]

Would have liked to have seen underclocking covered in this review as other publications have shown a drastic reduction in power and temps with almost no performance loss.

[@tashima42]

El audio en español no es perfecto, pero es increíble lo que una AI puede hacer, muchas gracias por hacer el contenido más accessible LTT.

[@gabrielfernandez4503]

Es una AI?! Pense que era un doblaje bastante deficiente del animo de Linus. Pero al ser AI cambiaria mi opinion a asombro.

[@joelcoll4034]

Los sutitulos siguen siendo una opcion mucho mejor

[@b34k97]

Felling much better about trading my 5900x for a 5800x3D (main games are Star Citizen and Flight Simulator). Will definitely be waiting for the x3D variants for the 7000 series before upgrading.

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

Yup bought my 5800X3D for Star Citizen. Made an enormous difference. Well worth the money I dropped on it even though I had to buy a CPU watercooler for it on top of the CPU.

[@weasle2904]

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I have a single tower 120mm air cooler, I just do -30 CO offset and it runs very cool. AMD seems to have binned the 5800x3d really good and it undervolts like a boss

[@steveredstone1711]

Literally came here from RSI website.

[@1981AdamGs]

I debated and debated over upgrading from the 3700x to the 5900x or the 5800x3d. I settled on the 5900x for the extra cores. Which come in handy for some of the work I do. But it was a tough decision. That 5800x3d is no joke.

[@Ryan-re1rs]

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 a 58003d isn't much or any better then a 5900 in most games..

[@kleinerroemer85]

I really appreciate the productivity benchmarks. In addition I would love to see them normalized over consumed Wh and retailer price though. I guess the absolute numbers make more sense for gaming benchmarks.

[@tokiomitohsaka7770]

I am super happy to see the LTT lab results! Hope we get a tour of the finished lab soon.

[@DarkP1]

a tour? geez go to disneyland, people wanting to see something that boring like another people room computers are sad

[@ZNotFound]

@@DarkP1 Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it.

[@DarkP1]

@@ZNotFound I know you guys will enjoy it a lot, that's the sad part

[@tokiomitohsaka7770]

@@DarkP1 I think Disneyland is boring, labs and computers are always interesting!

[@acanalesc]

Native Spanish speaker here: I hate this. Is like Badabun making an LTT video

[@bradywalters]

**hesitantly eats pizza slice**

[@Cyber_Akuma]

7:15 Very happy to hear that LTT will be covering PS3 emulation performance, it's something I haven't been able to get a clear answer on. Especially on questions like if it offers better performance to have a CPU that's 12th gen but has no AVX-512 vs a CPU that is 11th gen but does have AVX-512.

[@thenatmann1]

Yeah the ps3 emulator is the best reason to spend thousands of dollars on a desktop computer. I mean who would think that maybe just go out and buy a ps3 for less than $100????

[@Cyber_Akuma]

@@thenatmann1 Yes, because *CLEARLY* that's all I use my PC for, to play PS3 games. I build a high-end gaming rig and don't use it to play my Steam library of over 1300 games, or for work, or to virtualize other systems for testing, or to mess with AI neural nets that can run on a local GPU, or to emulate the dozens of other consoles either. Nope, clearly I built this PC *ONLY* to emulate PS3 games even though I currently have four PS3s in my collection. Being able to play through about 50% of the PS3's library, albeit at at 1080p/4k and 60FPS, when a normal PS3 can play 100% of it's library flawlessly is the only reason whatsoever to build a high-end gaming rig or care about your PC being able to do PS3 emulation. How silly of me to have such a large Steam library that I clearly never use my PC for or all this work, testing, and AI experimentation that I could do but don't because it's only for PS3 emulation.

[@deliapascal3550]

@@thenatmann1 proper resolution upscaling, uncapped frame rate, faster loading, save states, rom/mod hacks, shaders, able to use any controller/changing key bindings and you get a banger pc besides? hm who would want that?

[@LaggyKar]

And also compared to older CPUs with TSX (probably with old microcode).

[@B5152g]

@@thenatmann1 why wouldn't it be? It is capable of playing all games from every console system that has ever existed, and will be capable of doing ps4-ps5 emulation when those emulators become reality.. who would want that? Guess what you can also use your desktop for something else when not gaming.. it's a better buy then buying one of those junk Walmart laptops that are slow and obsolete in a year. This will still be a usable desktop processor for another 20+ years.

[@BurgundyBrundley]

the fact that amd did that big of a performance jump from the 5800x3d without 3d cache is impressive and it's unusual to see linus not bring it up. (edit: I just saw he brought it up last second) clearly amd is saving it for ces or an other event within the time frame, the performance leaves room for their beefed up siblings. I can't wait for the 70003d series personally edit: didn't expect this to get so many likes and comments but I'm not complaining~

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

The thing that worries me about the 3D series is that it can't be overclocked. That in itself isn't such a bad thing, since the numbers speak for themselves, but I feel like the reason behind it is thermals. If the next gen chips run too hot, I wonder if the thermal ceiling will even be high enough to run it with a decent frequency. That extra layer may add too much insulation and cook the chips. They'd have to ratchet back the top speed by a lot. Here's hoping that's not the case. The potential for uplift would make it an absolute beast.

[@Mr.Morden]

If AMD released a 5600X3D then I'd upgrade from my 5600X. Ryzen 7000 looks like a weird and expensive platform full of BIOS bugs that I don't intend on paying a lot of money to experience. That's to be expected though, platform upgrades are always fraught with problems. It's called early adoption, and frequent regret is associated with it.

[@vaudou_]

@@pirojfmifhghek566 The 7000 Eco Mode performance seems to be pretty good

[@___DRIP___]

@@pirojfmifhghek566 Hardware Unboxed went over this and the reason why you can’t OC, is that 7000 series are specifically tuned to clock higher and run at TJ Max as much as possible. They’re literally designed to run at 95 degrees to get the best performance possible.

[@mikeramos91]

@@Mr.Morden it's pointless to go from a 5600x to a 5600x3D. Just get the 5800x3D. Atleast you'll be getting more cores. Or just jump on the new platform

[@scottf136]

I would love to see a gradient of benchmarks from 8th or 9th gen Intel to current gen or 13th gen. I am sporting a 9900k and I am starting to feel it struggle on applications like Photoshop, Lightroom, DNG Converter, and Premier. I see a lot of comparison of the new stuff with last gen, but I imagine most people are going be coming off of older gen CPUs and wondering, what will be the best value for their workflow in the next gen of Intel or AMD. Video comparisons I have seen have mostly been game related, and the FPS improvements, while better, were nothing that made me think I need to run out and get a 12900k over my 9900k. But an array of benchmarks across multiple work domains would be more useful.

[@ScrewFearMe]

I have an Intel 8700k and I feel like it's time to upgrade, just dont have any money to upgrade to anything to atm. xD

[@vik6092]

@@ScrewFearMe i got you bro

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

@@ScrewFearMe That's kind of the big problem. Linus didn't really cover it well, but the power rate per kwh has been trending upward all across North America, with some places (like parts of California) being nuts. If you use your computer for many hours per day, that 150 watt difference between AMD and Intel adds up to thousands of dollars over the life of the computer. (Unless you get free power. But then someone else is paying it.) Thousands of dollars is a lot of parts upgrades. Most of my friends that went Intel are sporting upper midrange chips, while most of my friends that went AMD just opted for the highest tier, often with GPUs a notch higher too - and still save money over time due to that lower power consumption. It's way easier to collect the money to upgrade if you're not flushing tons more away on your power bill.

[@itsKEVO]

5:25 why did ryzen 5800x 3d get removed from the charts??? any else notice 😡😡

[@GSP-76]

I have a feeling the upcoming 3d cache versions of Ryzen 7000 will not be frequency limited or have locked multipliers. It's going to be an absolute slaughter of Intel's 13th gen...but the big ticket item we're all waiting on is RX7000 series GPUs. I have a 6900xt/5950x system now and am building a second PC. I'm praying I don't need to look at Nvidia for anything.

[@AbhinavChauhan2]

Yeah but at what price. Non V cache parts are already so pricey and people are talking as if they'll get extra V cache performance for free.

[@tilburg8683]

I think they're going to be pretty similar and if intel non k parts still oc they're gonna win big time( because non k parts for some reason oc nuch better are faster and draw less power. But if it's limited to k parts I think it's gonna be close or AMD will win, but not my much and with the right price intel will be the better option.

[@Joe-wk9ow]

I can't wait for the 3d v-cache and I hope they put the cache on more than just the 8 core models this time.

[@ElVid]

i made the right decision to buy the 5800x3d and not waiting for am5, i was always suspicius when amd did not talk about their own latest linupe

[@ElVid]

@Steve Sherman well i had 32 gb of ddr4 ram and a 3700x already, buying a new mainboard and ddr5 was a bit questionable. this will be my last cpu upgrade for this console gen probably

[@Sinesterr]

its not as bad as this review made it out, just look at other reviews and you see that the 7600x is faster tan the 5800x3D plenty of times

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

I'm still on gen 1 ryzen, it'll be fun to see what kinds of performance gains I can get and for what prices when I choose to upgrade. I'd actually prefer no onboard gpu since I won't get any use out of it with a dedicated gpu always being in the system, but still, glad red and blue are competing so hard these days

[@s_for_short2400]

Im just looking at getting a new 3600 for 70$, rest of my pc if good enough 😄

[@M4jkelson]

@@s_for_short2400 why not 5600?

[@s_for_short2400]

@@M4jkelson i could, theyre 110$ here

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

If you run these in eco mode, they're barely any slower but just want 65W. These CPUs have excellent performance per watt. They're just not that great outside of eco mode (although still decent).

[@jbasasa]

I thought I was the only one. Me too sometimes I just wanted to put only 65W only all the time but I think AMD should thought of that

[@ffwast]

Gotta crank up the power draw for those release review benchmarks!

[@RicochetForce]

These REALLY should run out of the box in Eco Mode, with an option to "blow the doors off". Because CPUs that require a damn ND-15 for regular operation, and the higher tier pair requiring AIOs is dumb as fuck.

[@LulaksHD]

In the power consumption graph, I think the score is better when lower not higher (11:20)

[@snintendog]

Not in an Intel fanboys mind. /s Though good spot.

[@paulbrooks4395]

If you’re a sim, RTS, or VR gamer, the X3D is simply better. Simulations and high unit counts are cache-limited. VR has to reuse data for each frame pair. Cache is life for those. It also helps minimum FPS and stuttering immensely.

[@una-mura]

i don't even speak spanish (portuguese speaker) but this is so funny lmao

[@SkyyMi]

Fantastic coverage on the new lineup. Thank you. It feels really good to see some competition again between Rlue and Red.

[@XxFayssalxX]

The thumbnail is kinda klickbaity tho

[@666MaRius9991]

@@XxFayssalxX it is what it is lol they gotta pay their staff

[@scrubscrub4492]

Rlue

[@bingbing3464]

@@XxFayssalxX how so? Getting beaten by its previous gen in gaming and by thread counts almost equal to intel's 12th gen in productivity. Intel's 13th gen i9 will have equal thread count with the 7950X so the current productivity crown may not last.

[@WilliamBoothClibborn]

I love how complete this review is. All the information for most applications! Having benchmarks for scientific computing or ML could be interesting?

[@dirg3music]

Most likely, I have a feeling these will undervolt really well, Ryzen usually does in my experience.

[@DailyCorvid]

@@dirg3music Using AMD software you can do an automatic undervolt or overclock, which usually cuts power draw by a third or increases performance by 15% respectively.

[@dirg3music]

@@DailyCorvid yeah eco mode in ryzen master is pretty effective for lowering power draw, I'm sure if you really dial it in like 1usmus you can get some bonkers efficiency and/or performance improvements too. I think it's easy to get caught up in the way cpus/gpus are configured out of the box but in reality you can quite often dial things back and end up with an even better product if you're willing to take the time to get under the hood.

[@cromefire_]

The boost in encoding in Handbrake (ffmpeg) might very well be AVX512, because basically every encoder supports AVX512

[@jmhagle]

Yeah, I think you are right, because 11900k was disappointing in a lot of benchmarks except in avx 512 workloads.

[@Drew1Down]

back to the old FX days with that high power usage

[@ashscott6068]

What does it matter when GPUs are using over 400 watts?

[@bat_daddy6455]

The most impressive chip is the 5800x3D imo. The fact that it managed to hold up so we'll in gaming against their new CPUs while being on a zen 3 microarchitecture is impressive

[@madpistol]

I ended up getting the 5800x3D because I wasn't ready to buy a new motherboard and RAM for AM5. This video completely justifies that decision.

[@PickeringSamuel]

Same. Went from a 1800x to a 5800x3D and now I feel very clever lol.

[@AKM0517]

This information has given me confidence in my purchases. Right around the time of the announcement of 7000 series I built a new PC and was wondering if I should wait till this came out. However looking at performance increase, price, cooling requirement and compatibility, I think having bought last gen was a good choice. I have a 5600X and a 3060 (I wanted a 3070,had the money, but was unavailable) and it's given me enough performance on any title with no more tdp than 300 watts on the whole machine at max load. Looking at these numbers, my setup feels more reasonable. Especially considering ddr5 and new gen motherboards.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

My computer uses around 180-190 watts while gaming. You should definitely check out GPU undervolting, there can be big gains.

[@Grm0xlr2xD]

Also if you ever want a cpu upgrade you can look at the 5800x3D and I think you could be set for quite some time.

[@Na0uta]

I don't think i would have gone that route. I built a x570 5900x system when only rumors of the new chips were comming out. And I'm pretty happy with my choice (came up from a 1700x). But had it been a few months ago that I wanted to build. I would have for sure waited for the 7000 chips. Amd will prob support am5 for 2 full generations of chips and 3 if we're lucky. That will have made the platform a massive win again. I put my 5900x in my x370 bord and it worked. I could see the same happen for am5. Only reason I swapped boards was because lighting hit it and blow the audio caps out. So I had to use wireless. Which isn't too bad, but I also lost like 6 USB ports of the 12 it came with. Which was becoming a real inconvenience. Still ran for years afterwards, so not mad at all.

[@alexdubois6585]

On the other side once gen13 is released they release the 3D version and then it will be the right time to buy with an entry level 40s (I mainly play Rust which is CPU bound)

[@bingbing3464]

Fortunately i swapped my shitty amd rig and went for intel's alderlake and knowing z690 supports raptorlake. Best decision ever after watching this lol. *shitty because it suffers from USB issues despite all the agesa updates.

[@dawienel1142]

Misspoken @4:19 7950x wipes the floor with the 12900ks in your data, but it beats everything else in Ryzen 7000.

[@jkm4505]

Yeah I‘m worried for AMD. Either they have to launch earlier next year, or everyone will always just wait 3 months longer for stronger CPUs

[@thunderarch5951]

But they are launching now

[@gtas321]

These CPUs are very strong though. I don't know why he's comparing it to such a niche cpu.

[@CBadger]

@@gtas321 Because it's Linus. He also justified the 40 series pricing.

[@xuyukun123]

@@gtas321 because if you're only gaming does it matter when you need to spend 500 dollars more for less performance?

[@styleisaweapon]

@@CBadger Its been obvious for a long time that Linus dishonestly favors Intel.

[@burretploof]

Well, let's see if they do a refresh with 3D Cache, then. I just hope that they manage to deliver some great GPUs soon. Not that their current ones are bad per se but it still seems like they're playing catch-up.

[@knexfan0011]

iirc they have confirmed the Zen4 with 3D-Vcache, it's rumored to be shown at CES 2023.

[@blazedyoda8608]

It’s gonna be hard for AMD Radeon to best the household name that is nvidia. Even if they squeeze out some decent price to performance and lower power consumption cards compared to the offerings from nvidia I don’t think they’re going to beat them and take the crown. Not yet anyways maybe in 5 years or so when they’ve ironed out all issues with drivers and they’ve got a robust ray tracing architecture just like nvidia have.

[@dilbophagginz]

@@blazedyoda8608 Maybe not in marketshare, but in terms of having the better product, they definitely have an opportunity to beat Nvidia this year.

[@transient_]

The rumors I heard say they could be worse than the 4090 in raytracing. How much worse? Idk, its all hearsay at this point. And then there's DLSS 3.0. If Nvidia's claims are something to trust it's pretty good. Although ,I've heard that there might be more artifacts than with DLSS 2. Time will tell.

[@HapPawhere]

@@dilbophagginz They just need to optimize their gpu driver for Directx & opengl optimze, because my amd gpu worst on minecraft than gt 1030 lol

[@VilasNil]

11:25 How is higher power consumption under load better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I could be mistaken though

[@Altrop]

I bought a 5800X3D last week and do not regret it at all after seeing this! I already had 32GB of premium RAM, all I did was swap out the CPU and I immediately noticed the 1% lows were 10x better than my previous Ryzen 5 3600. No more noticeable framedrops and I expect this CPU to last me until 2025. At that point I'll upgrade to a cheap AM5 system :) I heard AMD will release a 7800X3D in Q1-Q2 next year, than one will likely slay Intel in games, but I'm still happy with my purchase. I'll likely upgrade my 6700XT to an RDNA3 CARD for better 1440P performance and be set for a while.

[@georgevana]

I am in similar position you were. Sitting here with my R5 3600, thinking if I should upgrade to 5800X3D and 32gigs of premium RAM and wait for some nice AMD graphics card as currently I am still running my almost five years old 2070 from EVGA.

[@tilapiadave3234]

5800X3D ,, WAY WAY WAY overpriced , super overhyped WASTE of money

[@bengonzales1182]

I like that the new Ryzen's will come equipped with integrated graphics, that's a good thing to have for troubleshooting in the event a videocard has issues.

[@robertfarquhar2780]

I really believe that emulators like rpcs3 and xenia would be really good benchmarking tools for comparing previous processors to newer processors.

[@ZeldaKid5000]

As someone who uses my PC primarilly as an emulation machine, i couldn't agree more considering how integral CPUs are for emulating games

[@squibbly_mcgrink7689]

Xenia is very GPU heavy.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Well, I'd find it very interesting as well, having played around with PCSX2 and RPCS3 as well, but you need to spend some time researching into the topic, playing around with settings and settling for some, but then again maybe you'd have to adjust settings for different hardware, which makes comparisons problematic and it's a bit fragile, as they're (or at least RPCS3) still early versions - I initially had RPCS3 as part of my benchmark suite, but was actually not able to get it (with TLoU) running on my R7 2700X, after upgrading from an i7-3700K. :/ Only later on managed to run it on my current R7 3700X. Also, as they're early versions, updates come fairly frequently that improve performance, meaning it might be problematic to use for comparisons over longer time periods. And finally you'd need the respective consoles and games, but that's not really a problem for a big channel I guess.

[@christophervanzetta]

For intel, yes

[@nathanschild2388]

The only problem is the morality of using such emulators is extremely subjective, even if done as legal as possible and is a liability to a brand like LTT

[@johndoh5182]

Why didn't you all talk about ECO mode? I saw some stats on it and it's VERY impressive. Dropping down to 105W TDP which drops power consumption by a substantial amount but performance barely drops??

[@YoSerLeoZ]

El track en español me recuerda a los caps viejos en discovery o en history channel. y hace que extrañe el tono de voz de Linus.

[@alolanstarboy]

As someone who is big into PS3 emulation, AVX-512 support is a pretty big feature for me. I would have gone with a 12th gen Intel processor for this after seeing its performance numbers with AVX-512 enabled but it looks like Intel is in a hurry to ditch the instruction set and has started disabling it completely on new revisions of the 12th gen CPUs.

[@bludger85]

I own a 5600x and rpcs3 works plenty well as is

[@alolanstarboy]

@@bludger85 I can run some early ps3 games at above OG hardware framerates but a lot of the later stuff and/or games that heavily utilize SPUs run at or below the performance levels of original hardware. When I emulate the ps3 I do it so I can play the games at better framerates than on the OG hardware (which were abysmal most of the time). If I can't do that I might as well just continue using a PS3

[@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd]

It will be interesting to see how AMD's AVX-512 performs compared to Intel's implementation considering it has 2 256-bit buses rather than a single 512-bit bus so it will take 2 cycles to complete the instructions. On the plus side, the frequency shouldn't drop as much when using these instructions:)

[@eniff2925]

It is a very niche use case. For most people, AVX2 is plenty. Performance uplift from AVX2 to AVX512 is 23% at max.

[@pijinio]

AVX2 does a great job, I wouldnt dismiss it

[@jullit31]

It would be more helpful if you gave us numbers for efficiency (i.e. performance per Watt), rather than power draw. It doesn't matter if CPU A draws 50% more power than CPU B under load, when it also finishes it's task in half the time. In the end it still used less energy to perform the same work. All that matters is efficiency (and maybe idle power consumption).

[@juanc.duartea.7575]

Power consumption really matters if you have a limited power supply, or when building a system, you have to carefully consider the PSU. Not all that matters is efficiency, it matters the cost of it, be it power consumption, temperature, or price. If it is really important to you, you can infer the efficiency/power ratio just by looking at performance metrics shown and compare it with total power consumption.

[@TheOverdriver1]

For someone whos still rocking skylake 6700k, I think this is a solid upgrade imo lol I don't really care about the X3D versions because at that stage, I should get a better GPU if I really want to squeeze couple of extra frames. My Skylake did wonders tbh, Intel pulled a great architecture at the time. But now its AMD's time to shine! Next inline is the AMD 7000 GPU series

[@Cookedfrfrfr]

Same but i5 6400

[@derekp6636]

I uh, literally just upgraded off the 6700k -> 5900x and gave my son the old chip. Motherboard had crapped out but an old board was cheap enough to source. Depending on your use case these cpu's have a long shelf life.

[@LaZoR50]

The Cache is actually used in literally 99% of anything the CPU does, gaming is just an easy benchmark but it will boost most of your use cases by a nice margin :)

[@blkspade23]

@@LaZoR50 Cache is used in everything, the difference comes down to if the app needs more data than can fit in cache at any given time. When there is no benefit to X3D, its because it doesn't need to use the additional space. CPUs by default are moving up to 256MB of data to the GPU for games, before accounting to resizable bar. So it makes sense that a bigger chunk of that being in cache helps.

[@Beryesa.]

i5 480m 💃👽

[@pedroduran8927]

Just imagine how insane Ryzen 7000 with 3D-v cache will be.

[@Anxiou5Panda]

I'm mostly sure they'll do it in response to Intel's upcoming lineup.

[@pedroduran8927]

@@Anxiou5Panda Yes i think the same.

[@Anxiou5Panda]

@@pedroduran8927 The other thing we'll have to look forward is AMD's new generation of graphics cards.

[@mycelia_ow]

Can confirm, it's insane lol :)

[@mycelia_ow]

@@Anxiou5Panda Oh boy what a lineup that was lmao, 13th and 14th gen don't get any praise from me.

[@eduardharsch4150]

thx for mentioning AVX-512 and emulation performance, because of AMD "double Pumped" implementation vs intel's "single pumped" or one AVX512 instruction per cpu cycle

[@Kenjionigod]

Haven't they already announced they're going to do 3D cache on the 7000 series as well? Cause honestly, it's just worth waiting for those in my opinion.

[@MatanBenMoshe]

Interesting how GN got their 7950x to run at 250W while LTT's ran only at 208W. Would love to see a deeper dive into the boosting behavior with different coolers and a better look at the efficiency at different power consumptions.

[@DIYTAO]

To me it looks like LTT uses weaker coolers than others. 7000-series performance is 100% cooling limited with 95C cap. Better cooler gives better results, and it looks like LTT:s gaming scores for lower end CPU:s are quite .. Well, suboptimal. With better coolers those chips should be near or at top.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

I would say that there is some MCE like crap on motherboards enabled.

[@Correct_Opinion]

Just got a 7700x, microcenter is running a promo where they give you a free 32gb ddr5 kit for like $350. Kinda nutty

[@jeffreymorgan8687]

its just not fair that I live a good 4 hours away from a microcenter. its like they are constantly taunting me.......drive to us....drive to us but then at that point what I save in money I burn in gas.

[@Masterbest16]

You should include the GPU used in the fps in game data graphs. It would be nice to be able to replicate the data or try to reference it/compare it to other media results.

[@MrDangerousshark]

They list it at 2:01, 3090 Ti Founders Edition

[@dalaransadoringfan5267]

All this money he spends on "Labs" and this is what we get lol . gamer nexux, 1 dude and like 1 other or two do 10 better work. Linus really wastes his money so hard.

[@Masterbest16]

@@MrDangerousshark sure, but when you take a graph out of the context of the video (like a screenshot), it would be nice to have all the info on the graph

[@CanIHasThisName]

They should include the whole rig, including RAM, motherboard and cooling. I get that they're trying to keep the video short (and I actually really appreciate that) but it would take one, maybe two frames displayed for 5 seconds each.

[@Hobbles_]

@@CanIHasThisName They actually do provide all that info (other than the cooler, they seem to have forgotten that) in a chart at 2:04. They even included MoBo BIOS version number and RAM sub timings. If this test is like any other, I imagine they're using the Noctua NH-D15, but they should have specified in this chart

[@th3c05m05]

awesome work with the labs! can't wait to see yall integrate them more into your videos

[@ForboJack]

So happy the 5800X3D exists. Once my 5600X isn't good enough anymore I can still squeeze out some live out of my system with only a CPU upgrade.

[@chovekb]

It's around 500 Euros in the EU, and obviously won't get cheaper soon.

[@ForboJack]

@@chovekb It'll will get cheaper, once most people will buy the new MBs and CPUs. In a year or so there will be no point for new builds to buy AM4.

[@Matt0ize]

I'm still using a r5 3600 with b450, with only a cpu upgrade soon I'm also eyeing that x3d cpu.. oh AM4 is a godsend

[@flamingscar5263]

@@Matt0ize I wouldn't get your hopes to high, unless you wait until the 7000 series 3d versions release then the 5800x3d wont be dropping in price any time soon, current owners have no reason to upgrade, and once the 7600x3d is a thing I would not be surprised if it beats the 5800x3d by a lot

[@chovekb]

@@ForboJack that won't be soon, just look at the world situation if you even have the eyes LOL

[@rikudouray]

I'm still rockin my 3 years old 3700x with x570 a!elite. Still gets the job done...

[@APRBaller]

I really wanted to upgrade my whole platform altogether. I felt like my 3900x just wasn’t getting the job done keeping up with my 3080 @ 1440p getting the frames I was looking for. I was looking forward to Zen 4 when I realized…wouldn’t it just be easier to slap a 5800x3d in my system than ripping and putting my system back together, despite the fact that I might be leaving performance on the table? Not only was it easier…it worked out better than I could have imagined!

[@jasonc1996]

You can upgrade your whole setup once Zen 5 drops in 2 years. Enjoy your 5800x3D. It's a beast!

[@Nianfur]

I did say this about the 5800X3D on the Star Citizen forums. My advice since the Zen4 announcement last month, was to wait for the predicted 7800X3D early next year.

[@allenwarfield]

My first build had a AMD A6 APU, I'm glad to see how far theyve come in the past decade

[@tazgamerplays]

One of my favorite builds had an amd k6-2 450. It was a very stable build back then.

[@kurabukoara]

the 5800x3d will always be relevant as the first 3d vcach cpu and is able to beat next gen amd CPUs

[@LordCapsis]

Let's hope the 7950x3d will hold up

[@averagenoob2.0]

5800x3d us a very strong cpu for it's tdp imo and if you pay for your own electric better than blowing the bank on the am5 platform

[@GermanMythbuster]

⚠ *WARNING: Stupid Click-Bait Title!* ⚠

[@Leo9ine]

Furry pfp spotted

[@lolmao500]

AMD totally needs to release Zen 4 CPUs with 3D Vcache and its gonna blow Intel out of the water. I dont know why they didnt build one to release right on launch day...

[@Lost-One-n9s]

They are waiting to destroy next generation Intel with the vcache models

[@jonathancarranza6046]

Probably working on thermals. 95C on a regular cpu is insane

[@AkumaGS]

I mean, for me is a win situation, I can wait for the 3D Vcache no problems, and in the meantime, ddr5 prices should lower

[@dirikudanalsoyou]

@@jonathancarranza6046 plus overclocking ability is locked on 3d v cache processors i think

[@themortgageminute6382]

I always manage to catch the day the Ryzen processor gets released for review on Linus tech tips. I remember when it happened for the first time and I think 2017 with Ryzen first GEN and seeing where they are now it’s amazing to hear how different the landscape has become.

[@GoodnotGreat88]

Its a bit of an odd take to say AMD is in trouble because of how good their 58x3D is. The 78X3D is due out in a few months and I expect big gaming numbers there too. I think the 7000s are a nice generational bump all around and if you want the gaming specific CPU just wait a little longer. But saying you can get last generation hardware cheap isnt new, thats always been true. DDR3 was cheaper than DDR4 when it was new too. I believe anyone who builds a new system with DDR4 is making a mistake that will cost them more later than it will save them now.

[@klyded8523]

"Don't purchase a promise" Linus said while selling his backpack with a "Trust me bro™" warranty.

[@CockatooDude]

I mean he took the criticism and now offers a warranty.

[@PabzRoz]

Definitely don't regret getting my 12700K now that I know the facts lol. Especially since if I wanted I can upgrade to Raptor Lake in the future too. I was expecting a lot better from AMD here. But when they come out with Zen 4 3D V-cache that's going to be where things get crazy.

[@thunderarch5951]

You're talking like you couldn't upgrade to a future Ryzen 8000 lol Plus the 7000 series are still beasts, so...

[@dalaransadoringfan5267]

12700k lol. If you don't overclock it, it's a joke. In world of warcraft I went from 110fps in oribos, to 189 with my AMD 7600x (got it today from microcenter) Depends on what you ant to play.

[@PabzRoz]

lmfao the amount of AMD fanboys this comment disturbed is hilarious.

[@dudeyo7264]

@@ashleyhenderson2411 literally less than a dollar per year in extra energy and if you only game they use the same same amount of power. only during full load tasks do you really see the difference. it's a non issue for 90% of consumers. And the 12700K is still trades blows with a 7600X and 7700X in majority of applications. Don't be mad cuz AMD only focused on the high end for this generation.

[@dudeyo7264]

@XLasVegasTech702X yeah sure you did😂

[@Maxence_]

Thankful that AMD made the 5800X3D, my AM4 build is ready to rock for years to come

[@ForboJack]

AM4 really will be remembered as one of the best and longest living sockets ever made. My brother got a first Gen Ryzen and has already his second CPU upgrade without changing the motherboard, RAM etc.

[@Zeales]

I use my computer for virtualization workloads too, besides gaming, and the E & P core thing going on with Intel chips basically breaks virtualization, forcing me to either switch to Xeon or choose AMD. Since $699 is significantly cheaper than even the cheapest Xeon with equal core count, the choice is fairly easy.

[@peterconnell2496]

How did that work - did u waste the money u spent on an AL pc?