This blows away the competition - JONSBO N1 NAS Build

[@DefianceFinance]

Please let Jake explain more stuff in future videos! This was so smooth and pleasant. Thanks Jake!

[@dalm312]

It's funny how Jake has become more likeable over time. He was a bit annoying when he first appeared in videos. I'm glad he's still with LTT

[@sirfer6969]

Jake has the best delivery for sponsorship announcements too. Go Jake!

[@fluphybunny930]

Scrolled down to type just this. Jake comes across so clearly while explaining this stuff.

[@LtdJorge]

@@dalm312 I always liked him, he was edgy and I enjoyed it.

[@Alvadar65]

Jake's presentation has really come a long way. He is more mellowed out now and really easy to watch/listen to, hope to see him in more videos like this

[@zz7254]

I love seeing positive messages around Jake these days. A few years ago he got a ton of hate in the comments and that is never easy to deal with.

[@itscrikey]

He's easy to listen to, he doesn't come across like he's talking at you or well above your level. I'm real glad to see his confidence come up.

[@Paulkjoss]

His Comic-Book-Guy vibe laugh is being edited down

[@bassplaya69er]

used to think he was a bit of a dick, but now he is great. hope alex grows too.

[@RobinCernyMitSuffix]

@@zz7254 to be fair, he was quite an a-hole some years ago, but as a long time viewer, you'll notice that has grown up, a lot (:

[@DerekMartell]

Actually, jakes passion behind this project has me sold, I'm sold. I desperately need a storage solution and honestly I'm probably approaching that spooky data decay territory on some drives in a drawer. I gotta do this.

[@F5alconsHouse]

truenas scale is a good product, replaced unraid as the go to for them it seems like.

[@bacstaber6253]

i had 2 perfectly fine drives in my closet, static sealed, 2 years old and 7, both were dead on my last round of checking/backups for seemingly no reason :/

[@t3amb4sh]

@@bacstaber6253 I had 3, all working perfectly fine, and none of those were sealed, they were in plastic storage boxes. I guess it's all about luck?

[@DarthRaijiin]

Same, I still have 1 drive still kicking from 2008..? He's my little trooper, he's just a 1tb hdd.

[@Valete00]

@@bacstaber6253 mostly because of bad luck, sorry man. but i heard that old hdds also have higher risk of dying just by sitting around by just getting older, because of something something gases coming out iirc? (i personally counter bad luck AND higher risk by just having additional copies. i tbh would rather rely on 2 copies on 2 used hdds in comparison to only 1 brand new hdd. i personally bought a old Server with barely used hdds and have 3 copies of everything, for the price of only having 1 copy on new drives.)

[@basicnpcc]

Alright I actually built the NAS with this as a guide, though made a few changes. Case: Fractal Design Node 804 (Cheaper than the Jonsbo N1 Mini Case, larger, and can hold far more drives) Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend (Cheaper than the Asus ROG STRIX B550-I, though with truenas core I had to buy an intel NIC since didn't work with the default one) PSU: Phanteks AMP 550 W 80+ Gold (Cheaper than the EVGA Super Nova at the time I bought it, and it has far more SATA power ports) I also bought a HP NVIDIA Quadro 400 for around $11 off ebay to get a graphics out for easier debugging. TrueNas Scale in my opinion is the best option since it has far better hardware compatibility being debian-based rather than a custom OS. You wouldn't need to buy an intel NIC like with truenas core. Not sure if this'll help anyone else, but there ya go.

[@trignite]

Nice, but i feel like Intel is the way to go with nases due to quicksync and iGPU if you ever need display. That will change with AM5 though where amd is getting iGPUs on everything

[@basicnpcc]

@@trignite Yeah, I couldn't find a cheaper combo of motherboard + cpu while still maxing performance + pcie lanes. Any of the intel iGPUs I found were far more expensive along with their motherboards than the combo I used + an $11 ebay gpu. Who knows, the market might have moved to allow for a cheaper combo with intel at this point in time.

[@bretclements608]

I did the same thing, followed this as a guide with the Jonsbo N1 as the main point of the build. It was nice, but it overheated like crazy. I had the case in an open air area, with full access to cool air, but still, the drives would get way to hot for this case. Sadly, I had to go back to my Node 304 case.

[@sakenu16]

What was the total cost outside of the drives?

[@basicnpcc]

@@sakenu16 Around $600, but I built my machine months ago so prices could have changed

[@steffonramkissoon2932]

I’ve been watching LTT since I was in middle school. I built my own pc last year and I’m working on bs in electrical engineering these are some of the best decisions I’ve made in my life. LTT not only inspired me but also gave me role models and showed me it’s ok to be a “nerd or geek”. I love LTT

[@abubakrakram6208]

Man, at this rate, we’ll be seeing personal petabyte drives soon!

[@arpitbanerjie1848]

It is probably already possible to do it right now as long as that person has access to some of that enterprise stuff. Single 100 tb SSD in the form of a 3.5 inch drive is already available. It's called nimbus exadrive if I recall correctly. Either way I just love where things are going for consumer products itself

[@DordYT]

I'd guess within the next 8 to 10 years

[@rapeofficial]

@@arpitbanerjie1848 it's 40k$

[@SaddisticSpeller]

@@rapeofficial And the XEL-1 was an 11in terrible OLED for $7000 just a decade and a half ago. Tech moves fast friend.

[@arpitbanerjie1848]

@@rapeofficial I agree. I just talked about possibility not feasibility. It is possible but not a sane thing to do at all. Anyways a lot of tech does become more commonly (and cheaply) available after it's been out in the enterprise space for a while so let's hope for stuff like it to get cheaper and more accessible for the consumers in the upcoming future.

[@DerOllie]

One of the most clear videos regarding storage and Nas I've seen in a while.

[@zackay6211]

Linus: spends hundreds of dollars on a nas. Me with a raspberrypi: you dare oppose me!!

[@lshanny]

yes, a clearly terrible truenas build

[@bFix]

I still don't get why they chose itx of all things. it's maintability is terrible in comparison, you can't hotswap drives, powersupplies (sfx) are worse if you aren't careful, the mainboards are more expensive. and you are more likely to have issues building the system and a higher chance to damage parts every time you open the system.

[@NitsuSaiNeko]

This is easily one of the more useful build guide that decent amount of people might actually want to build. I've set up 3 raid 5 using prebuilt enclosures by now and I'm really looking into a better / cheaper solution. Since the goal of this build is to beat the prebuilds at cheaper price, would be nice to include the final price of this build at the end of the video (obviously, I know price changes but for the sake of comparison).

[@wooonerf3195]

The price is included at 15:30

[@NitsuSaiNeko]

@@wooonerf3195 oh thanks, I must have missed it

[@Ibrahimarm]

Well, if you're looking for an even cheaper solution you can get an N6005 or N5105 motherboard with a Node 304, which should be pretty cheap. You can also just get 5 year old hardware which can be pretty power efficient if you make sure to limit power usage properly.

[@R2debo_]

Honestly Linus will never call it a day regarding storage servers

[@Pheonix0110]

Yes

[@hariskhan01]

also every few years he's lik "oh no, all of my data is gone!"

[@GregMatoga]

@@hariskhan01 this so much. I wish they approached more on the software/usage side. I've been asked more than once, by non-technical people, where and how to store photos instead of iCloud or Google Photos and there's no info about that

[@_Frozen_mamba_]

@Don’t read my profile picture Learn to write properly.

[@mitcHELLOworld]

@@GregMatoga Yeah, they should definitely do a showcase for Nextcloud or Owncloud to show people how they can literally build their own self-hosted cloud with everything you would expect from Cloud services - I host a Nextcloud server at home on my Storinator as VM and have it mapped to my domain so I have access to all my files, calendar, a full online office suite so I don't have to download docs/PDFs to edit them and work on them etc. I know its slightly out of Linus' typical content as they don't really do much tech tutorials - but when showcasing DIY storage servers they could definitely do a better job showing off the amazing ways you can present that storage - showing a SMB share in Windows is kind of low hanging fruit there..... That being said, if you or anyone you know is interested in storage based youtube content, Im the storage architect team lead at 45Drives and we do a ton of really great content centered around open source storage based on ZFS and Ceph and we have a ton of content centered around Proxmox coming up soon.

[@yasminesteinbauer8565]

Why do you never compare the power consumption of both solutions in such projects? When a system like this runs around the clock for years, it's relevant.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

Especially when you're not in Canada / the US.

[@physxme]

You could just use a lower power CPU for that reason. I feel that a bigger problem than power is actually finding a suitable itx motherboard with sufficient SATA ports. It probably is the reason they went with that ROG motherboard instead of a cheaper one.

[@frodolon]

How much do Synology servers usually consume in terms of power?

[@hdffjfhsdlfh]

@@frodolon 59.8 W (Zugriff) = 8 HHD's + 2 NVMe 26.18 W (HDD-Ruhezustand)

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

@@hdffjfhsdlfh: is that with or without HDD sleep mode?

[@kunwarsood6207]

Can Jake do a “Truenas for newbies” video!!! His explanations are clear, concise and to the point 👌🏼🤞🏼🙏🏼

[@brkbtjunkie]

Look up unraid, it’s way more feature rich than truenas

[@the48thronin97]

@@brkbtjunkie feature rich almost always means a steeper learning curve, completely defeating the purpose

[@sherlockmaverick]

@@the48thronin97 not to mention the paywall.

[@richfiles]

@@brkbtjunkie Then ask Jake for an "Unraid for newbies" video. That's not what we're asking for. Kunwar asked for a TrueNAS for newbies, and I too would like to see that.

[@platinumjsi]

Do the complete opposite of this video and you should be good.

[@lc5945]

Just a couple of heads-up: 1) mobos with 90° sata connectors pose a problem in this build, unless you have both 90° and 270° sata cables lying around. 2) check the physical support for the m.2 expansion card length-> you might end up using extenders and washers if you don't

[@GadgetAddict]

Another thing worth mentioning with off the shelf products like those from qnap is that depending on the configuration of raid, containers, encryption etc, you might actually get locked into that specific brand. When my qnap NAS failed, I was forced to buy another one from them because of the proprietary way they handle the drives. I couldn't just pop them out and put them into a computer or even into s different brand of NAS

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

this , honestly for me is the bigger part of why i wana DIY, i want the flexibility and option to do what i want how i want it, even if 95% of the time i wont, its still an option at least

[@matjer2800]

Yes i agree, i really hate it. They say it for security, but what's the point when the NAS broke, we can't access our own data when the HDD itself working fine. Maybe some people want that features, but i don't need it. At least give the options to disable it. If i want to secure my data, i will encrypt it with my own KEY. I don't need someone else to hold the KEY for my own secured data.

[@killabandit]

That's why you buy a big external and back the nas up to it and move the drives to a diy one. My synology 1515+ is dying and I don't want to buy another so this option is enticing. I have to see what can mix drive sizes and use plex too with file share and apple time machine.

[@blue4059]

This comment needs more upvotes.

[@theophilusbassaw580]

How is mdadm proprietary? Most of these systems is running Linux one way or another. It's gonna be the same when you diy it. I work in IT though so I just have the know how. So I guess from a consumer perspective it looks like that. Either way backups are everything.

[@jcreek23]

I would love to see some home server content, with a server like this, used for plex, owncloud, pihole etc

[@eduardoprocopiogomez]

up

[@3skin556]

Yeah specifically Plex!

[@eduardoprocopiogomez]

@@3skin556 what the hell even is Plex? I just want to see a low budget bare metal

[@jamsterb436]

Considering there using truenas scale which has docker and VM capabilities, this system would easily be capable of all those with abit of time and a small amount of googling

[@avidlearner710]

Definitely!

[@marksterling8286]

Loved watching Jake and Linus building servers together.

[@miege90]

Comparing the electricity consumption to a pre-built NAS would be very interesting. Honestly this is the number one reason why I've bought a NAS from Western Digital. Here in Germany the energy prices have peaked this year at almost 50 cents per kWh. Running a NAS 24/7 can seriously increase your energy bill

[@WhereIsTheSpartan]

You don't have to run your NAS 24/7. This is a misconception! The magic is called Wake On Lan. So your NAS is only running if you need it: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_On_LAN

[@mikel.mp4]

@@WhereIsTheSpartan fun fact when I suggested on reddit I would only switch on the NAS during the hours of the week I am at home and need the storage, people went completely crazy saying that is unacceptable to not run the NAS 24/7, without any justification of such statement. Glad to know I am not alone.

[@mastroitek]

@@WhereIsTheSpartan ok but a nas needs about 2 min to boot, not great, but I see how it can be useful

[@cubertmiso]

@@WhereIsTheSpartan Not pro but HDD's don't like constant on/off power cycles. That wear vs power consumption makes it much cheaper to just keep it on. Thats why people prefer 24/7 operation. Therefore would be interesting to see power consumption details of this setup vs pre-built NAS like the OP said.

[@SuperDaxrider]

well, just guessing.... that NAS could draw at least about 55 to 60w with all discs spinning and the processor idling. If you configure spindown certainly you can lower it..... I built myself a NAS with a Celeron N (6w TDP) with only two WD Purple and the power consumption was between 25 to 29W peak.... and with spindown set, went down to 19W . Now here We're talking about 65w TDP just for the processor (idling at 20) + 5 HDD each can drawing about 8w (?) and I think I'm being generous and then..... add all the other components consumption like RAM, Fans, Mainboard, the other SSD, etc... so yeah at the end of the day it is pretty high for a Home NAS. I live also in Germany and I would not do it. In fact, I got rid of the DIY celeron solution to get a very old 2 Bay Synology that consumes tops 15W and abou 4 while hybernating.

[@Shibbywha]

I just realized Jake needs to do some tutorials on other software and setting up other products on servers and pcs. The way he described the process was straightforward and entertaining. Give this man more work to do!!

[@llortaton2834]

Linus : "The motherboard is the most likely component to die" Also Linus : "Bends daughter board 25° multiple time"

[@dumboy886]

I like Linus, but I'm always amazed at how good the videos are when he's not around. I feel LMG could almost run Linus free at this point. Good job team

[@thisismelsemail1217]

that is what he has been training everyone to be able to do at some point. He fully understands this job isn't forever and he will someday have/want to retire. He is making sure the company he built is going to stand the test of time

[@Steamrick]

Linus went into this the WAN show before last. The most catastrophic employee to lose would actually be Yvonne, according to Linus. She's the least easily replaced.

[@toprunner4806]

The videos are all scripted. There Linus is very professional at his job. Specially in IT. Don't underestimate. You're looking a kid never watched early Linus with true tech lessons

[@nathanwest2304]

but who will drop stuff without linus around?

[@thisismelsemail1217]

@@nathanwest2304 Anthony has a bit of a track record going so far lol. Remember the iMac screen?

[@mattd3518]

I just built almost this exact system to turn into a massive Plex server, and, for anyone planning to build one, a heads up: There were issues with 5000 series Ryzen CPUs and the B550 chipset resulting in the rear USB ports not working, or working intermittently. Supposedly this has been fixed with BIOS updates, but I am having the issue with mine (Ryzen 5 5600G and the ROG Strix B550-i). The problem appears to be related to voltage regulation. I was able to get everything set up using a USB hub connected to the front USB port, since the issue doesn't seem to affect the USB header on the board. From what I have read, this isn't a problem with 3000 series Ryzen.

[@AndrewPseudonym]

How have you found streaming video using this platform?

[@privettoli]

@@AndrewPseudonym for majority of situations you can do direct play which gives you the best quality.

[@ncb4_69]

Linus is now officially addicted to TB's

[@automatic241]

r/datahoarders hast entered the chat

[@vanshnarula9857]

Tuberculosis 👀

[@RandomDude1999L]

It's just a matter of time before linus creates a mini case with a raspberry Pi with a PB

[@CaptainScorpio24]

me too 😭❤️ got a 2tb m.2

[@KrolPawi]

Who isnt

[@SyRose901]

The motto "Do as we say, not as we do." is still extremely true for this channel after so many years, it's crazy.

[@bikerchrisukk]

Good to see TrueNAS making another appearance - I do recommend to anyone interested in it, to do a test install on a spare old machine. Get some small capacity drives (old laptop hard drives, like 250GB or 320GB) and play with RAIDZ's, Mirrors and all that. It does require a lot of learning (can almost become a temporary hobby) but once you've figured it, you have one of the most redundant and reliable storage systems. UnRAID is far easier to setup and use, for less important data. Like anything in life, the more you put in, the more you get out. If interested, my config is 2 TrueNAS servers, one primary and one secondary snapshot machine. Snapshots are a really efficient way of making backups, both local and to a second machine. Then backblaze is used to complete the 3-2-1 backup strategy - note it's more expensive (by a lot) than the personal version of backblaze. For 10TB, backblaze via a NAS is approx. 10x the cost, so you sometimes have to re-think what's sent up to the cloud.

[@NightFlight1973]

It can be harder to find cases with high internal 3.5" bay counts these days. But, Fractal Design is making some damn nice cases perfect for this. I have the R5 with 8 bays, plus 2 5.25" bays! I'm actually using a 5.25" bay for an old BitFenix Recon Fan Controller I had laying around - It looks amazing.

[@bikerchrisukk]

@@NightFlight1973 You're right there - would you believe I got a second hand R5 only a week ago! I've got several old Antec 900 with up to 10 trayless 5.25in caddys in it. One has failed, but that's in around 30 that I've bought, so not too bad. I think my next computer case will probably be a rack, but I'd prefer not to go that route really.

[@michaelthompson9798]

Very interesting DIY project for a home / home-office use. Definitely something I’m considering building as I have a number of SSD / HDD full of stuff laying around and a spare itx mobo / cpu / ram laying around …. The Jonsbo case is awesome 🤩! Jonsbo definitely deserve more air time on a number their cases and I personally use one (different design) an itx one in my 3yr old HTPC build.

[@hojnikb]

I've built myself a similar concept, just with a much smaller budget. I've used one of those toploong nas cases from aliexpress (4 disk bays), that goes for around 50$. I also scored a pretty cheap J1900 board with power supply for 40$. Added some ram i had lying around (8gb as thats the max j1900 supports) so i'm roughly 100$ in with a pretty decent setup. It's not the fastest thing around (but easily handles 1Gbit samba transfers and ~500Mbit worth of torrents) and certanly much faster than your ~100$ prebuilt NASes. It's also passivly cooled due to low power atom cpu. So if you're on a budget, looking for cheap boards with built in cpus is a good start.

[@Tumleren]

Don't suppose you could host a plex server on it? You would need something more powerful I'm guessing

[@JFat5158]

@@Tumleren if you dont need to transcode itd handle it easily.

[@Mkungaa]

@@Tumleren there a more recent solutions like Asrock J4125. With Intel Quicksync they can handle several 1080 transcodes while being very energy-efficient.

[@hojnikb]

@@Mkungaa Why would you want to do that anyway? Even cheap 30$ android boxes handle all formats in 4k easily, so all you really need is a samba/nfs share and stream directly.

[@hojnikb]

@@Tumleren You could, but i don't see the need to do so. Nowadays most host devices handle h264/h265 natively so just simple samba share is enough to get you going. I personally use samba and mount that to my kodi boxes and stream directly. The only downside to my setup is pretty poor single core performance of those atom cores, so stuff like torrent transfers are bottlenecked in terms of maxing out my connection speed.

[@Astra3yt]

I've seen a lot of videos here showing how to configure TrueNAS, but showing a video of what to do when a drive fails would be amazing as well.

[@csx4402]

My mind is literally blown by this build. I've been wanting a storage server to backup stuff to, and this will suit my needs. Thank you for sharing this.

[@chrisstreet6827]

And when you do your first resilver expect for it to crap out and fail. You do NOT want to run just raid-Z1 on drives this size.

[@jcpt928]

Ha! *doing what LTT says you should do* You sure learned quick how to screw up everything technology.

[@whitey4986]

Please don’t build what they’ve built. The redundancy is terrible and the build is in danger of bitrot. The caching setup is bizare too.

[@bimil8724]

@@whitey4986 don't build what they build is correct if it's your only Nas solution , but not due to bit rot, truenas with scrubs will be fine. Nas is not a back up. Redundancy is only a problem if you have mission critical data, people buying this don't. It's bad because there is no ecc, but even that won't cause bit rot, just some stability issues, maybe. This would only be good as a back up server maybe mirror for a real production machine.

[@whitey4986]

@@bimil8724 Redundancy around data is not backup, but is still important for non mission critical data. Redundancy should be a default and a minimum.

[@jpierce1987]

I know this is an older video, but I just ordered everything I needed to build this 😅 I've been needing a second 10tb drive to have a backup of my current one, and the pricing for everything else was so cheap now I decided to pull the plug. I'll be taking my old 2700x off the bookshelf and bringing it back to life 😎 I can't believe the prices for RAM and SSDs now!! OMG!

[@1tiredrobot919]

Loving the NAS videos. Would love to see a video comparing all the options and detailed settings.

[@NemoBlank]

I will never forget the sense of overkill that I had when I bought my first hard drive and slapped it into the old homebrew XT. That 10MB beauty cost a mint, but it held every floppy in the drawer and it just made that Fujitech jumbo turbo board scream! I knew then that it was all the storage that I would ever need...

[@Hchris101]

10mb is such a large amount it will never get filled. Unlimited storage.

[@Kraeuterbutter]

haha.. reminds me on my first pc... my parents - teachers - bought it together with the school where they worked.. the school equipted there pcs with 20MB HDs.. my father went for the 40MB.. other teachers said, he was cracy.. nobody would ever need so much storage... but... i remember: monkey Island 2 - 6 floppys, around 10MB, SpaceQuest 4 -> around 10MB... and it was nearly full lol

[@tdata545]

I love that the camera crew NEVER misses to catch a linus tech fall and also snaps zooms in on it.

[@benadriel]

That's done in post-processing, in the editing :)

[@kidsythe]

oh, so basically they use a turbo crazy level camera and actually crop into that shot way after. from my understanding they shoot like 16k. so every shot is actually the entire room and they just crop it down to 4k anyways. from my understanding

[@robdavies317]

I have to say from someone who has limited knowledge in this area, you present this in a very informative, fun and 'makes me want one' kinda way. Well done for getting me interested

[@polarpenguin3]

The Synology software is the really reason to buy one over building a NAS yourself. It has apps on Android and iOS for accessing images, music, movies, etc. on the go. It can handle video surveillance no problem. It really is plug and play with an unbelievable set of features. If I could buy the software and put it on a custom built NAS I totally would.

[@nuno.pacheco]

Yes, I was about to say the same thing!

[@keningilbert]

The point of this video is that off the shelf NAS will eventually fail and more than likely when the part is no longer available. Also as he mentioned in the video you can setup VMs, Docker containers, etc. on this box.

[@AllanDaemon]

Interesting. Are the tools that Synology uses open source? For places that security is relevant being open source is kind of mandatory. If they are, I would consider myself trying their products.

[@nsp585]

You can put synology OS on a custom build nas and use it (ahrrrr), but if you want to buy it specifically AFAIK it's impossible

[@AM93000]

Listen, you are half right half wrong about Synology. While it is true that Synology has good software, the company has become arrogant and begin restricting the use of seagate and WD drives and other hardware. They want to position themselves to be more at the enterprise level nas/storage solution company. Also, they charge astronomical and give you crappy hardware. Everything is backfiring and people begin to move to TrueNAS. Nobody is considering QNAP because QNAP has been hacked several times. Please do your research or own a Synology before making comments

[@florianwerner1186]

Why not use ECC? AMD has very good support for that on consumer chips. And for a NAS ECC it's quite important.

[@JJaani]

My question as well.

[@bassviolin8180]

ECC!!

[@AniviaS]

Yeah, especially when using ZFS it makes sense to use ECC.

[@joshuatree9358]

I can only think that Synology doesn't use it and they are challenging synology-like consumer solutions. Also excuse my ignorance but if it's really that important why isn't ECC used in most consumer NAS solutions?

[@Lead_Foot]

ECC UDIMMs are a little expensive.

[@heckmarkus]

Would love to hear a bit more about power consumption on those topics. For me in germany a 10w difference results in about 30€/year (and will most likely significantly increase in the Next few years)

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

Europe as a whole I would say. Power prices have been skyrocketing like crazy over the last 4 years.

[@Benshooman]

Yep this is the first thing I thought, how much does this cost to run. All year round 24/7. Looking at building a system for HASS, Plex, NAS, etc. But a cheapo lenovo NUC might be better for a system that's permanently going to be turned on.

[@melbaylon]

I'm with you. In my town in the Philippines, electricty have from 0.2 USD to 0.3 USD in the span of 6 months. That's why I installed a solar power system in the house and still mostly just use a Raspberry Pi4 as a network file storage/server and to host other services.

[@sweetmelon3365]

Dont they pay yall in germany to consume more electricity during certain times of the year? heard something like this years ago

[@heckmarkus]

@@sweetmelon3365 lol no. AS an end consumer you typically pay a monthly fee + a fixed amount per kWh (typically 0,3€ vor more). With some providers you get a chaeper price During the night, but thats only a few cents) It might be that at some times you could get energy basically for free on the energy market if there is way too much production and no requirement, but thats nothing for you unless you happen to own a pumped storage power plant or a steel factory xD

[@superguy4923]

Just received this Jonsbo N1 case from Newegg. I ordered the only color available and received a blue color aluminum. Silver is the only color I have seen this case advertised in photo and video, and the only color offered. The case color doesn't look anything like the case color in this video. I contacted Newegg who put me in touch with the Jonsbo reseller. I was told by the reseller that it was the light that made the case look blue and that was the Silver color case. Options are to take it or leave it, nice!

[@IrocZIV]

The problem I see with the LTT screwdriver (from what I can tell from the videos) is the same as I see with most changeable bit ones, its too thick for the small work I do. Those bits alone will have a hard time fitting into recessed holes, let alone the shaft of the screwdriver. Even the iFix-it stuff isn't much better though. What I would like to see is a new design, using the small bits like the iFix-it kit uses. Rather than the normal interface where the bit slots into a hex hole in the screwdriver, the bit itself would have a keyed whole of some sort, and a shaft from the screwdriver would slot into the bit. This would let you keep the outer diameter of the total shaft very thin, allowing it to go into even the smallest recessed holes.

[@ninjashuriken]

The thing about the LTT screwdriver is that it (at least looks like it) feels comfortable, we had a similar looking one and it was so so nice (it got lost now so sadge), i get your point about not fitting into tight spaces (hence why I have two screwdrivers) but for more general use i think that would feel much better than something for laptops or mobiles and such

[@HeroUnit]

There's usually two different types of screwdriver applications: serious business and delicate operations. The LTT screwdriver looks like a serious business screwdriver. I think they would do well to have a delicate option as well.

[@RainbowSushiii]

sorry to tell u that hes not producing special products just for ur usecase. im pretty sure its supposed to be used for the stuff he does in his videos and apparently its fitting for that. i bet there are manufacturers that produce tools for ur usecase too.

[@josuelservin]

I have seen a couple of long bits screwdrivers that are only as thin as the head so they fit great in thigth spaces, but they only work on the provided handle, I would love an extra bits pack in the standard hex even if they do not go in the storage.

[@Jehty_]

An easier solution to the problem you raised would be to use the long bits. You would maybe need a handle that's a bit longer so that they can still be stored inside the handle.

[@DummyUrD]

That is an awesome idea, but I was missing the comparison in energy consumption to a normal qnap or synology 5 disc system

[@BRX_live]

i agree! If this draws a lot it might not make the deal compared to an off-the shelf one with smart energy safers n stuff

[@krrzysiulek]

Yeah, I would love to see the power consumption of this DIY in comparison to Synology. NAS is running 24/7/365 and the power costs add up over time. Surely that Ryzen 3100 has way more performance than the Celeron J4125. Just for storing data you definitely don't need that much cpu power, but add some VMs, docker containers, plex server etc. and you have a nice little server. I wonder how efficient this system is in low power states.

[@ags911]

I would like a follow up on this to optimise consumption and various use cases of this system.

[@sethwuertz]

So I replied before I saw this, so you can look for that comment for a better break down. To clarify, I'm an armchair tech enthusiast, so I could very easily be wrong, but I did some quick research. A QNAP NAS has an average yearly operation costs of about $48.66. Where as breaking down the components, and their average power consumption per year is around $136.66. (This is kind of an average between peak power, and idle) The number will definitely change based on how much you're using your NAS, and what you're doing with it.

[@fdk7014]

Yes. This will draw a lot more power and make way more noise

[@christianmontagx8461]

I bought an asustor AS6604T for 499,-€ put it on the desktop, put 4 Ironwolf in it and after 24h of Raid5 build it was ready to use and it works. The Prolbem with FreeNAS or TrueNAS how it is called today is that it is unstable in the case of a harddrive failure. Sometimes it works to rebuild a raid, sometimes not.

[@aresinamorta.staring-atthe-sun]

Building my own NAS at home using 3D printing and recycling my old HDDS from my retired PCS, this was extremely helpful, though. Trying to spend EVEN LESS, for many reasons my main problem is needing 4-6 satas with the desire for even more expansion in the future, hoping to make the whole thing modular and upgradeable. Thanks for the information here its given me a lot to consider as i continue planning and printing! LTT is my fave when it comes to TechTalk shows

[@Cary_mac]

Awesome case. Sadly as of 3/6/22 the shipping alone is almost as much as the case. $135 for the case, $105 for shipping.

[@ryuuxiii]

Yeah, it is sad that this piece of art is not available for purchase on Amazon on Newegg. As of 4/16/2022, on Aliexpress the case is $142, and the shipping to Puerto Rico is almost the double, $186.47

[@randybobandy9828]

As soon as this case became popular its price skyrocketed.

[@kfl611]

@@randybobandy9828 Typical !!!!

[@Melechtna]

Hilariously, I actually did this not too long ago. I didn't go for something NEAR as slim, as I just went with a "cube" case, because I like that aesthetic, and then some second hand server parts and a fairly low cost PSU and a spare GPU I had lying around that came out of a super cheap prebuild I bought some eternity ago (GTX 730 low profile). Cost me about $400 in total and it's a beast for what it does, which is file hosting/storing and Plex.

[@thedanyesful]

Worth considering your power usage on something you probably run 24/7. Linus' solution might actually be cheaper than yours over the course of a few years.

[@kebab_o]

@@thedanyesful also, typical NAS like synology would be much more cheaper over course of year than Linus solution. TDP of NAS like synology are around 15W. What do you think this would drain? 40 - 60 W ?

[@Anfidurl]

Same day as the video, and the case is sold out. Good job, Linus. You've overwhelmed the case maker!

[@dustysparks]

"The [retail] hug of death"

[@mazri3530]

like Linus said at the start of the video, storage/cloud is really an issue I find myself thinking about every once in a while, the topic deserves all the attention this channel gives to it! I have a dream of a day where we find a near-perfect solution that combines privecy, security, and convenience.

[@saphirakai]

Point I'd like to make that is pretty important: How much space you save with filesystem compression ENTIRELY depends on what you're storing. You mentioned "photos and documents" as something you could expect to save 10-30% on, but in reality unless your photos are stored uncompressed (extremely unlikely) you won't see any significant space saving at all, maybe 1%. Even less if they're JPGs instead of PNGs, you might not save space at all with JPGs. The reason, for those who don't know, is that you can't compress something that's already been compressed. Unless the original algorithm missed something- which does happen, especially on less efficient algorithms- once you've compressed it once you won't see a benefit in compressing it again. Anything that's stored compressed already won't benefit, including audio, video and images. Binary files also tend not to compress well. (on windows, .exe files and some types of program data, on linux .so libraries and ELF executables) Text and other files with lots of redundant and repetitive data compress very well, however.

[@med1cg]

The audience is tech noobs, I have watched a few videos of Linus and it baffles me as to what is being shown and said

[@fporcelli2009]

recently I discovered Borg Backup, a way to do snapshot backups storing only the chunks that were never seen before, if you think about images you can store them for example in 9x9 pixels, a decent size that is likely to be repeated in a large storage with many photos. it is just an example but gives an idea on how this compression works, it is especially effective when the data is of the same kind. for example a bunch of vms will likely have gb of data that is exactly the same, or also data that uses equal or similar sources. An other example is the compression of the backup of many pcs of collaborators, they will probably all have the same OS, same software and they have downloaded the same files that they shared between them. With traditional compressing every file is treated kinda separately, and only perfect duplicates are not replicated. So if you store 2 almost identical 1MB photos they will compress maybe 1% and take 1,99MB of space. with this method the only data to be added is the difference between the two photos, probably a bunch of bytes.

[@ReaperSilently]

I run TrueNas as a VM on my Proxmox Server. Seeing this case is also finalizing an important decision for me, as I was searching for a ITX case with more then 2 slots of HDD space (3.5Inch that is).. thanks for this Linus and the crew! Keep it up ;-)

[@jamsterb436]

Fractal node 304's another honorable mention (6 x 3.5)

[@thebeatconnect1]

You can also look into the Fractal node 304. Its a bit bigger than this case it seems but cheaper

[@bugs181]

I was thinking of doing this exact thing. The issue is I currently run OpenMediaVault, and use a ton of docker containers. I'd like to run a slim VM just for docker stuff and TrueNAS for storage. I like the idea of separation of concerns. My biggest concern with that is that I don't want to make a hop to the router, just for the containers to be able to access the data. Does Proxmox offer a way for the two VMs to communicate directly?

[@thebeatconnect1]

@@bugs181 I am running Proxmox. Proxmox sets up a bridge from your NIC. When you create a new VM it assigns a IP address to the VM. To access your data from Truenas to docker/Portainer, you need to share your dataset in TrueNas. And then in the VM running portainer/docker you need to do some configuration to mount TrueNas to the VM. Let me know and I can write the steps here.

[@bugs181]

@@thebeatconnect1 thanks for the reply! I believe my Unifi network hands out the IP for DHCP to the OMV VM. It's bridge is vmbr0. If what I gather so far, it's possible for the VMs to communicate using the bridge without hopping back to the router (UDM Pro in this case). The primary reason this is such a concern, is because the UDM Pro has a 1Gbps backplane and I'm getting ready to add 10Gbps NICs to the Proxmox box. I definitely appreciate any info you could give on this topic.

[@hiddeninthewires2308]

part of zfs design is the fact it has the ability to automatically detect and repair bad data (self healing). one of the reasons people choose ZFS over other file systems, like NTFS or EXT4 etc is the fact it writes checksums and can detect and repair against silent data corruption on storage (bit rot) when the data is read or periodic scrubbing happens, these checksums used by the zfs can not detect if the data was corrupted in memory before being written to disk. the corrupted data will have a valid checksum and be written in the state it was given. this is where ECC memory comes in. while ECC memory may be expensive and not in the cards for everyone. you should at least explain the design decision risks of why you chose not to go with error correcting code memory. the whole ecc memory is only for servers used to be true, but ryzen does support ECC memory. qnap allows options for its units with ryzen, and ryzen embedded processors to select ecc memory for its small business and consumer line. enterprise units with xeon or xeon embedded processors ecc memory is the default option was very disappointed this wasnt at least mentioned

[@Jirk4]

this guy stores data

[@grn1]

They've done quite a few videos on storage and have mentioned some of the advantages in the past. This one was more focused on just building an affordable NAS. With regards to ECC being just for servers that was Intel's BS which was just an excuse for them to sell ECC memory for a lot more money. Everyone should have ECC and if memory serves it's actually a requirement of DDR5. ECC does slightly lower speeds but that can be overcome and as Linus have postulated in the past it may actually make overclocking more stable.

[@Nosuchthingasnormalhere]

Most people don't have this knowledge.

[@japanstation1]

Most people that use ZFS really should know this. If you scrub an array and the process happens to use a portion of RAM that has problems (and is not ECC) you will literally destroy all your data on the array being scrubbed. ECC ram isn't really that much more expensive than non ECC, and if the purpose of a machine is to store data reliably, ECC really should be used. For those that are not familiar - ZFS scrubbing is the process of checking all data on the drives for consistency. As long as you have data redundancy, if a disk has bit rot, the data can be fully repaired. Bit rot occurs on all disks, with time. If bit rot keeps occurring on a disk, then it is time to replace the disk. I usually use RAID 10, because it offers good performance, the ability to recover most errors, and when you replace a disk, the new disk is resilvered very quickly without impacting overall performance of a storage server that is in production use and being actively used by many users in an office environment. For home use this scenario might not be as important, so many might use RAID 5 or 6 (I would recommend 6 over 5) but for speed, reliability, and faster less taxing repairs, RAID 10 wins (in my experience).

[@dxbgaming4813]

For me ZFS is not for home use or personal use, it's built for companies with large data and criticial operations. LTT should have been promoting OMV instead specially they are targeting individuals in my opinion, building afforadable NAS and etc.

[@Ibrahimarm]

To anyone who reads this, the Node 304 is a better case to build a NAS in since it fits an extra hard drive and is cheaper. Also, there's no cable routing BS that you have to deal with, and if you're willing to mod it you can get a 200mm fan up front which will mean no cooling problems.

[@joeltowart8396]

I love this project. It's so elegant for a DIY Nas. And thankyou for walking through the software set up, most people are super lost on that front

[@myaccount__7269]

Use a pi instead

[@boxrick1]

I always go for server grade hardware with these things, IPMI / ECC memory are a must and help with things like ongoing maintenance and lack of bit rot.

[@fdk7014]

Indeed. When you've lost important files because your ram was faulty you quickly realize the value of ECC RAM in your storage solution. It's a shame that ECC is not ubiquitous now.

[@jttech44]

@@fdk7014 Especially when you're using ZFS, which uses memory for caching.

[@fdk7014]

@@jttech44 Well, they all do. Or rather, all operating systems do

[@CrimFerret]

That's way overkill for anything I'd need, but incredibly cool for a small business. The price is pretty decent as well. I might put in something like a 5600G just to have direct video out if needed.

[@gorkskoal9315]

Eeeh. you might do as well price and reliability wise with practically a work bench type of case. Or at least checking used computer places for a old computer and or case with lots of space to connect drives in a caddy. because by the time your doing a mobo, drives and a graphics card that's practically a PC right their. Checking if someplace has a 'raid' case the kind where you can put in a ton of SATA, regular old spining disk SATA and saying fuck it to NVME and SSDs and the other over the top shit Linus used. He's got a unhealthy hard on for them. Using a regular old school disk caddy, , the style your drives slid into a slot? . they were sex with a babe. Like latina redhead keep going all night till you get exhausted kind of sex. It's more likely to avoid long term compatibility issues. and if you haven't noticed linus is not the youtuber to go to for back up for the regular man kind of thing. "oh it's just a 200 NVME.99 99999 tb, and is "only" 50billionl A regular ray box pit, onyour network with Timemachine, or the equivilant for windows? All you need for local. need 500tb? if they make enough drives you're gold. need more? then buy stock in google or something and good god what are doing that'd need that much storage?

[@TwoHeadsBrewing]

For an even cheaper option, go with a microATX case and mobo. Larger case means more drive storage, space for a video card and better airflow. And microATX boards are cheaper and easier to find. If you plan on using it as a Plex server and transcoding media, using a dedicated video card helps a lot. Cool small form factor build tho!

[@jackass123455]

this case "can" take a gpu just not a beefy 2 slot boy more like a 1030 or something single slot low profile

[@ptitserpent]

A GPU is not needed if you don't need 4K HDR trasncoding via Plex. Just grab an i5 with an iGPU and you're good to go ! (thx to QuickSync)

[@turbocpt1]

@@ptitserpent "if you don't need 4K..." We're living in 2022, 480p is old news, so we need a GPU, case closed.

[@ptitserpent]

@@turbocpt1 Always important to exaggerate eh? No 4K = 480p? lol 1/4 of the population is still in 1080p screen resolution. The rest is below that, just for information. Only 0.15% of the population has a 4K screen. What a world right ?! Is 4k essential? no, not necessarily. So it's cool to have something planned for the future, but currently it's useless. Even with this is mind, my simple Intel Celeron J4125 from a NAS can transcode 4 files in 4K HDR without a problem.

[@alexmilioris]

@@ptitserpent Personally I wouldn't settle for anything else than 4K on my TV at home so I just got me a better CPU and you don't need a GPU. I got a i9-10850K as a plex media server CPU, it might be overkill for most cases but with 4K transcoding I need it and it's future proof as heck.

[@davidgulbransen6801]

Unless things have changed in some odd way, RAIDZ1 is generally a pretty bad idea. Especially with drives this big, if a drive fails and you replace it, there’s a real risk of another drive failure happening during the resilvering process and then boom, your array is hosed.

[@ThisIsMego]

That's the risk of EVERY Parity based RAID system

[@misiekt.1859]

Agree. Advertising this case as up to 100TB is BS if you want any array in it. I wouldn't go above 2TB disks with 1 redundant disk. And doing 2 redundant will probably hurt performance. Also I would look for ITX board with IPMI for this. Asrock Rack has some nice mATX boards with IPMI. Also price difference doesn't factor in power cost, and with 24/7 operation you can easily pay way more for this setup than some low power ARM solution .

[@kellyslavens]

@@cryptearth , Trust the wizard. In the Enterprise space we look at the drive unrecoverable read failure rate. Large drives are extremely likely to have at least 1 failure before you can get the whole content of the array rebuilt. We've experienced several array failures during rebuilds in the past. All of the production systems we build are Raid-6/Z2 or better. Don't use Z1 on any array with drives of 4TB or larger, unless you want to loss your data.

[@samik83]

@@kellyslavens I have mine in raid-5. Any ballpark number how much RAID scanning helps if it's done consistently? As far as I understand in the the event of a drive failure you should be able to read it just fine, only slower, so you can copy it to another location and would only lose the data that is effected by bad sectors, where as a rebuild with an error you lose everything. This right?

[@brianb2376]

I use RAID-Z1 on 8TB drives because I have a full backup. RAID is not meant to be a backup, but a measure to reduce downtime. So for my non-enterprise use-case, it's worth the tradeoff for extra storage. Also, ZFS only resilvers data that it needs to, so if your drives are less than 100% full, it will only reconstruct the exact amount of data on the drive, unlike traditional RAID. For some reason IT guys insist on squeezing enterprise solutions into consumer-sized holes.

[@onocoffee]

Case - $126 Motherboard - $218 I/O Port - $26 32GB SSD - Cost Undisclosed CPU - $120 Ripjaw Memory - $70 Power Supply - $130 Cheap Kingston Drive - Undisclosed Disclosed Cost - $690 Synology - $700 I really know nothing about NAS drives (though I'd like to get one) but if we're comparing this build to the Synology, there really isn't much comparison. Beyond the fact that two components were not even being factored into the cost, the ten dollar "savings" is greatly offset by the time and irritation it will take to assemble, install software, subscribe to a service and everything else to get this up and running.

[@zappy7393]

I think the one true merit to a build over a per-brought is the ability to upgrade keeping in mind though that some NAS units can in fact be upgradable.

[@andreasbachmann6114]

@@redheadsg1 Yes, true. But, the first costs is almost the same price or a little higher. Remember, when the Synology goes after the warranty broken, you have to buy a complete new device. At this solution you can repair everything and re-order every parts. Finally, the case you can keep for decades for sure. Calculating for the further, it is defently cheaper. With a faster CPU you can have a device much faster than the solution of Synology and have finally an almost enterprise device if you want.

[@VanlifeReality]

I’ve been with y’all since you were in the house building room cooling. Amazing work guys.

[@mistie710]

I've started to build something similar myself though the motherboard is a Gigabyte A520I AC and the processor is a Ryzen 5 5600G (so I won't have to play about with other systems to build the hard drive). I did end up with the same 16GB though I tried 2 x 8GB of Corsair Vengeance LPX. I'm just getting the cables, the psu (I tested it with an old CIT supply and it works though the supply won't fit in the case) then it's all a matter of the drives. Spinning rust these days isn't quite as expensive as it once was but getting five relatively big drives is still not cheap over here. It's all in the cause of replacing my old home server which is perilously close to end of life. Update: I finished building this with the parts above with an 850W Thermaltake SFX PSU. It works well though I would strongly advise that if you are running a Linux share setup as well as or instead of a Samba share, use TrueNAS Scale rather than Core (or Unraid). I already had a SATA board (a four way jobbie) from a previous project and the processor meant that I didn't need a second slot. One thing I was a bit unhappy about though was that the SATA cables were difficult to fit in there. I ended up buying a Yiwentec SATA fan out cable which can handle 6 ports and doesn't take up anything like the space but another suggestion I can come up with is use a Jonsbo N2 case. It has a different form factor which allows you to extract the storage drives without pulling the system apart.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Since ZFS uses of memory for caching, it makes ECC memory pretty much required for any kind of storage server you need to rely on. These Ripjaws DIMMs are great but not quite appropriate for a NAS. A homelab maybe, but certainly not something storing important data

[@warmflatsprite]

Glad someone already commented this, as you're 100% correct. Bit flips in RAM due to cosmic rays (yeah really) are a surprisingly common issue, and the error detection/correction from the parity drives in ZRAID does nothing to protect against them, as they only help in the process of reading/writing the data to disk.

[@warmflatsprite]

Btw for anyone else reading this, this problem isn't unique to ZFS. Pretty much any storage system that is optimised for online storage like this (aka any storage setup you'd have for a home NAS) will have this problem due to FS RAM caching.

[@mrmotofy]

Yet there's tons of pro's and millions of users that say sure good idea....but not mission critical for the general user on a budget

[@ezraanung6869]

Glad to see Jonsbo finally getting recognition! even their coolers are good!

[@c99kfm]

In my opinion, Jonsbo are basically less practical Silverstone at twice the price. YMMV, depending on specific use-case, of course. This particular case fits neatly into one use-case I don't think Silverstone covers.

[@paulbrooks4395]

Getting a bigger case with an older Xeon with more cores that run at a lower Ghz is a great way to enable deduplication and get additional storage savings in the 1.15-1.5x range, in addition to compression.

[@MarkW1210]

Do any prebuilt NAS's come with this capability?

[@hikkamorii]

the power consumption though...

[@Makaveli6103]

That is what I am doing now. Can get really good used server parts off eBay.

[@MarkW1210]

@@Makaveli6103 Is there any way you can message me what you're using for a build like this? I'm a video editor and desperately need a really high quality network storage

[@Makaveli6103]

@@MarkW1210 you can't message on KZbin anymore. I am using an E3-1230 v2 with a supermicro board and 32GB of ECC RAM.

[@Serafimxxxx]

The tight shot of the chip falling over at 1:58 is pure excellence in editing.

[@foxyloon]

Really loving the small footprint of the case. Makes the recycled Dell Dimension 2400 case I'm using for my current NAS look huge by comparison!

[@johngaltline9933]

And here I am running two 4U chassis... and still in for half the price not including storage.

[@foxyloon]

@@johngaltline9933 But two 4U chassis are massive, let alone the power draw and fan noise. Sure, you have more drive bays at a lower cost, but that setup isn't viable for a home media NAS unless you have a dedicated server room.

[@sinuslebastian6366]

@@foxyloon and he's also forgetting not everyone has a server rack in their homes

[@johngaltline9933]

@@foxyloon the small footprint is nice, if you actually need it, however most people do have room for a standard tax case that is a lot easier to work with. Power draw is nearly the same as components take the same power no matter what case they are in. You will, and should, have more fans, but they won’t actually take more power as they can run slower to push the same volume of air with the added benefit of redundancy if a fan dies. While most people don’t need 8u of space and 30 drives, the principal still holds, and a single 4u, shallow depth case can be had for a hundred bucks that will hold 6 to 8 drives if you don’t mind having to pull things apart the same as this case to change drives. If you want an expensive case, the money is better spent on a case for $200 with tool less hot swappable bays. Last fan noise and server racks are a non issue. This is a file server with off the shelf parts. Fan noise is the same as any pc, which is to say it is pretty much nothing. As for a rack, mine is a table in the basement on which the chassis sit on top of each other.

[@bassblaster505]

I used to have a Dell 2400. Thing was useless even when it was new

[@muh1h1]

I just bought a Synology DS920+ and i am very happy with it :D Considered building one myself but honestly i just wanted something proven and reliable. Didn't trust myself to do a better job then Synology

[@NathanHedglin]

I have the same! agreed. Eventually, I'll do it myself. I've wasted so many hours on "easy" open-source free solutions for other things.

[@DerekMartell]

I have been racking my brain over my future NAS solution, and I reckon many many people are coming up on upgrading their nas's. I might be looking to replicate this build or if you make another nas video soon I'll check that out too.

[@activityuday5229]

Damn man, I have been doing my research over Synology, trying to figure out what possible things I can do, now I am racking my brain after this video. Is the home built rig worth it? Like I saw Synology's video, it was pretty damn good and easy, this one seems way difficult for a newbie. I have no PC building skills, only theoretical knowledge.

[@myaccount__7269]

Use a raspberry pi 4. It’s awesome

[@0megaJB]

The shipping is almost the same price as the chassis, so there might be better choices with faster delivery times.

[@syriangamer89]

Yeah I was a bit disappointed how he mentioned it's only 120$ but completely glosses over the 100$ shipping

[@randybobandy9828]

@syriangamer seriously... I don't care what the price is without shipping. ... ffs the cheapest could have been $20 and shipping could have been $200..

[@randybobandy9828]

@@JamesMusicCo shipped?

[@gamechanger2324]

03:44 @ this point I EXPECT Linus to drop something in EVERY build video!

[@Katojana]

What would be really interesting about this, would be how much power does it draw compared to a regular nas?

[@yoshy2628]

70 to 100W per hour more for this that Synology. If you need more power for your NAS then i think is ok. If you need only storage, no VM's, then stick to Synology.

[@mbirth]

@@yoshy2628 100W for 24h = 2.4 kWh a day. That's about 870 kWh a year, or 245€ of power costs where I live (Germany). You'd need to factor that into the costs.

[@Tephnos]

@@mbirth Yeah, with the massive rise in electricity prices this year, there are a lot of hidden costs for just a solely data storage option.

[@KyussTheWalkingWorm]

​@@mbirth A NAS is going to be idling most of the time, looking at the power consumption under load doesn't tell you much.

[@mbirth]

@@KyussTheWalkingWorm I'm pretty sure the build in the video will still eat A LOT more power while idle compared to a Synology.

[@jadusiv]

Wow I happen to be looking for something exactly like this right now. This is super helpful thanks.

[@lperkins2]

Use zstd compression for anything that supports it unless you have a good reason to do something else. It manages some impressive performance. Something like 90% of the speed of lzo and 90% the compression of lzma, at the same time. At the top end, it hits something like 98% of the compression of lzma if you tune it for compression, while still being faster, or the same speed as lzo or zlib while still getting marginally better compression. Bottom line is it's the best "default" for pretty much everything anymore.

[@AllanDaemon]

That's exactly what I thought. zstd should be the go to choice for almost anything

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I'm glad Linus understands my aversion to subscriptions and preference for owning one's own solution, if only he also understood how broke I am too. 😂

[@BBROPHOTO]

This is exactly **EXACTLY** what I’ve wanted for so long. My time for a proper storage setup for my photography / video work is really overdue. Especially now that I do a lot of astronomy and am capturing hundreds of GBs worth of data in a matter of minutes, I need central big storage systems. This is so fantastic, I didn’t want to go the prebuilt route due to proprietary softwares and potential upgrade issues. Thank you so much for doing this video! It’s so incredibly helpful.

[@reloadfast]

While I'm all in for Open Source... do check out Unraid before committing to anything. I've tried it all, nothing beats the simplicity of Unraid.

[@BBROPHOTO]

@@reloadfast Will definitely do so!

[@SvDKILLSWITCH]

I would love to see a part 2 of this series, maybe explore the what and why behind an L2ARC/SLOG and why these cheap Optane drives make some sense for that, as well as ECC memory (which should be available on this platform).

[@MrBasically810]

just remember guys, they have a 2.4g network card with that mobo and their company has 10g networking, thats why theyre getting those speeds, if they slide a 10g network card and SSD'd it would be a monster. Issue is, most of us will be capped at like 113mbps transfer speeds so dont spend your money on an ssd thinking its going to make it faster.

[@ameerabdallah5429]

local network speeds very often run at at least gigabit. if you want to run a nas so that you can have a server you can access while u are at home it would make getting an ssd worth it

[@robertherman58]

500mb of data will transfer faster on a 2.5gb link than a 1gb link. 500mb of data will transmit faster on a 10gb link than a 2.5gb link. There also network overhead and other data being transferred on the same subnet that could congest a 1gb link. You always want your storage link as fast as possible if there is more than one device accessing it.

[@GetFitEatRight]

Or just buy a 10gb switch from Unifi and check if your 5e is screaming at you. Honestly, it will likely work just fine. I find it's the patch cables that suck, not the stuff in the wall.

[@cerveraoliver]

My NAS was built with a similar approach two years ago. I used a Fractal Design Node 304. A bit bulkier but supports 6 drives.

[@jasondads9509]

That's the case I have now, when i retire it later this year (when next gen cpu/gpu come out). That's my plan too.

[@squishybrain]

That case looks awesome and it appears to be cheaper (but without the SATA backplane).

[@Swyre]

I'm about to buy and build a 304 NAS, anything specific I need to know? I've built many PC before so the basics are covered. thanks!

[@KB00001]

Another consideration with off-the-shelf devices like those from Qnap is that, depending on the raid, container, and encryption configurations, you may get bound onto that specific brand. Because of the unique method they manage the disks, I was forced to buy another qnap NAS when mine failed. I couldn't easily take them out and plug them into a PC or an other NAS brand.

[@jttech44]

QNAP uses bog standard ZFS, which you can absolutely transplant into another box to recover your data. It just takes some knowhow in order to do so. If you don't know, and you don't want to learn, then yeah, absolutely just buy another qnap and slap the disks in, easy as pie.

[@quinnhackett9565]

"CPUs generally outlast your other components" this is true my parents have a literally 20 year old pc and it's athlon still works just fine

[@aerodime7881]

i built my jonsbo mod3 fully custom watercooled pc 8 months ago i dont regret it, i love jonsbo.

[@JWSpradlin]

This case looks amazing. Sort of a spiritual successor to the Silverstone FT03 and FT03... mini? I really wish SS had released newer versions of those cases. Some concerns I have with the video content: Don't some motherboards refuse to boot without a GPU installed? Isn't it strongly recommended to go with ECC RAM when using TrueNAS/ZFS? Depending on the use-case of this NAS, going with a cheap Intel build brings a lot of value to the table with Quick Sync. Intel also opens up some possibilities for SuperMicro motherboards, ECC RAM, and IPMI.

[@joshuawaterhousify]

As far as Intel opening up ECC, no it doesn't; Intel doesn't support ECC at the CPU/memory controller level (unless that's changed since I last looked. AMD on the other hand supports it on the CPU/memory controller level (or at least they don't actively disable support, it's down to motherboard validation I think?), and ASRock Rack (ASRock's server division) has AM4 boards with IPMI. Those boards aren't cheap though (I should know, I have one I'm planning a storage server build with, though I went for one with dual 10GbE and 8 SATA ports on board which upped the price to almost $1kAUD). Everything else though, yep, pretty much, but they were going for a total of $700, so ECC may have been out of budget, and I'm guessing they knew that board would POST without a GPU. I was definitely waiting for it not to though, and I would have laughed ;)

[@fuomag9]

@@joshuawaterhousify supermicro + intel xeon should be able to let you use ECC if I'm not mistaken

[@these2boots]

i wish i had never sold my FT02. i loved that case. I bought one without a window and cut a 16x9 scale window in the side. that case had all the room in the world for gigantic passive coolers and had those crazy intake fans.

[@joshuawaterhousify]

@@fuomag9 Xeon does have ECC support, but then you're out of their $700 budget, unless you mean older (Ivy Bridge) models. Even then, you still lose Quick Sync, because Xeon doesn't have iGPUs, so you may as well go for the AMD anyway because it'll be cheaper and still supports the ECC (with capable boards).

[@JWSpradlin]

@@these2boots I sold my FT03 build to a friend, who then sold it someone he knew. A few years later I attempted to buy back just the case, and was unsuccessful. This was all maybe ten years ago. It's still one of my all time favorite cases. I even got a slot-load Blu-ray drive for that case too.

[@Mollernak]

Very cool, but I admit having had my skills challenged with hardware failure, I will stick with my synology box for "safe storage" but would definitely like this as a second box as a home server.

[@grn1]

My Synology box has been a pain in the ass but it seems most don't have the same issues I do (box randomly disconnects from the network and refuses to reset or reconnect).

[@mdd1963]

Until your proprietary PSU or mainboard fails, and you are SOL waiting on Synology to admit Rey no longer stock your needed part.

[@JerryNeutron]

I just built my first home server and this is exactly the form factor I wanted but went ATX since I already had the parts laying around. Gonna go ahead and bookmark that case for later!

[@jonesyokc]

Personally, I love my Synology NAS box. It wasn't cheap but I love the data security. It has 8 hot swap bays and I've installed 8 x 6 TB drives in a raid 6 configuration. I like knowing I could have two drives fail and not lose any data. It also has two 10 gig connections, so I connect to my 10 gig switch and bond two channels for a maximum of 20 gigs of speed from the switch to the box. I do wish it had more CPU power.

[@TheSonorabob]

having started with synology, then switching to Truenas for better hardware/price ratio: You did the right thing. Truenas is way more a PITA than Synology. Synology's expandibility with their BFS system is something I wish I had. I cannot expand my current 6x12tb without either adding 6 more drives or swapping out the drives, instead of adding a couple more. The only reason i wanted to have power was for transcoding plex, which, someone else suggested: why not just transcode a version and keep it on the server, let plex decide? SMH. Wish I'd thought of that.

[@aberdeenmeadows]

Personally, I think I am going to head in that direction in 2025. I think I am going to buy two 24TB hard drives to complete my collection on my current dumb NAS and copy all of my data onto that for my backup - then get something like the Synology NAS and put SSDs in it and start using SSD moving forward.

[@zora_tech]

I would love to see you guys take on a really advanced project like setting up Proxmox with HAproxy so you can have an all in one system where you can have cloud, nas, plex, VM, docker, etc.

[@jttech44]

Plenty of other channels doing that well, no need to watch Linus bumble through it and give you bad advice like they're doing here.

[@whitey4986]

Reverse proxying is a pretty well documented process, and these days with options like caddy (and with everything dockerised), is really not very advanced.

[@mustafa.muhammad]

Great video, but you should've used ECC memory (I think the processor supports it, not sure about the MB)

[@RouvenMarkovic]

Absolutely - as far as i know this is a very integral requirement to assure long term data consisteny even with ZFS

[@klaesregis7487]

Cpu should support it, my own built NAS with a 2600 in it has ecc memory. With an Asrock ITX board.

[@mormantu8561]

It maybe "supports" it but if I'm not mistaken it won't actually use it.

[@mustafa.muhammad]

@@mormantu8561 It supports and uses it with compatible motherboards

[@klaesregis7487]

@@mormantu8561 it works alright, Truenas show it as such.

[@darkluminous6847]

Damn! We used to have these big rooms for to store a Gigabyte worth of data... Now many many times of that can be stored in a small enclosure like this!!

[@ACanadianDude]

No one tell this guy about 1TB microSD cards.

[@michaelkelly7379]

Synology NAS's are not single purpose, they're a super great way to get all of the great features of a home server in a small, cheap, energy efficient footprint. Highly recommend people get a 220+ and can run their PiHole, OpenVPN, Phone / PC backup, self-hosted google docs, really anything that can run in a VM or docker container, and more. It's a great gateway drug into home servers, or anyone that wants to make life super easy and clean.

[@SuperDaxrider]

im considering get one of those. I have an ancient DS212j and yeah... well.... hahaha 🐢🐢

[@LetsRocka]

It'll be cool that when you guys showcase DIY NAS systems, also display a way to use it with a mobile phone to store photos, etc.

[@r3dhorse]

The issue with this build is Plex doesn't support hardware transcoding with AMD chips so keep that in mind.

[@isrexinsane]

Which is exactly why I'm here. But I'll make the Mobo/CPU adjustments on that front and completely sidestep their display output issue, using an Intel w/ integrated graphics

[@Neoxon619]

Seems like a great way of having personal backup storage without needing an entire server rack.

[@romayojr]

I'm considering building one now

[@patrickkelley6780]

LOL , wow....you have spoken blaspheme towards the cloud[s]...good for you.

[@Chris-rg6nm]

That is a server

[@kevinohara8529]

This is an entire server lol

[@eoi.n]

I'm almost definitely building a variant of this for my small offices media storage. They are in dire need of an upgrade and organization overhaul and I could see this being super useful with a small footprint.

[@kevinwaag9976]

I really love Alex he really knows his tech and he present extremely well on camera. Could you do for fun a competition of LMG personnel building the cheapest nas ? like that scrapyard war you did back in the day ?? could be fun right ?

[@Oc3anMaster]

I would've definitely liked to have built my own, wish I had seen this video sooner, but I do love my 4 bay synology nas, works quite well for me.

[@jobrien505]

The case is nice looking, but for the price with shipping included ($230+, not $126), there are other ITX cases that have true external hotswap bays, and will run you less $ (plus they're shipped domestically). Regardless of this moderate oversight, the idea behind this type of build is a great idea, especially w/ the recent QNAP ransomware hack.

[@smajl159]

Can you name such cases please?

[@desertkil]

@@smajl159 another commenter said they were looking at the SilverStone SST-DS380, but I have no clue if it's actually any good

[@jobrien505]

@@desertkil Also look at the CS01-HS by Silverstone, that's the one I've been eyeing.

[@smajl159]

But both Silverstones are only for 2.5" disks

[@desertkil]

@@smajl159 the 380 supports 8 hot swappable 3.5” drives and 4 fixed 2.5” ones according to the manufacturer website. Maybe you landed on the page for the 280?

[@daishi711]

Love this idea, but what’s the power usage at idle compared to a synology?

[@chrgeorgeson]

Also... Tooless and hot-swap is important even for home users.

[@musclesmouse]

9:34 Linus, This is why we watch. It is like a NASCAR race. 10:05 we cant stop watching

[@BlueFoxDA]

This is a certified “terabyte in a case” classic

[@DctrGizmo]

That's a really slick case! I wonder if they have a version for gaming builds.

[@fireballyt3676]

Colors pretty

[@meap_me]

You could probably stick a few RGB lights in there then BAM! Gamer version!

[@unicatte]

@Don’t read my profile picture ok i won't

[@UnhingedNW]

It looks like tha Mjolnir case from Thor-Zone

[@DrakeDaraitis]

@@meap_me it doesn’t fit a GPU lol

[@hazonku]

This is like THE perfect tidy little solution for small content creators! As others have mentioned though, we'd LOVE to know what the power consumption is like compared to off the shelf offerings like Synology.

[@ProFfeSsoRr]

Perfect solution for conent creators is PC in standart case. Because standart big case = good cooling for all components. This little cases are "near the TV" solution, you can't use it with powerfull CPU or GPU for creating content.

[@JamesHalfHorse]

I got to say having run most major NAS software the money is in the software and support. Almost anything can give you a drive share and time machine backup but more complex, remote access, etc, ease of use (which none of the open source guys seem to get) and when one died they swapped it out via chat and even shipped me some drive screws for another unit I was upgrading. That is worth the not much more money.

[@holodan-6814]

"It's only $126 on AliExpress ..." doesn't mention over $100 of shipping. ;)

[@InstantlyGratified]

Yeah, i was slightly excited until i saw that. It is even more now. Over $250 total now....

[@eddthirty4065]

Choose a different seller, I've seen it a lot cheaper cheaper with shipping.

[@Toastmaster_5000]

Wouldn't the 3200G make more sense than the 3100? That way you get a display when needed.

[@techfan1017]

Yes probably makes more sense imo also. They didn't think that far ahead lol

[@bassplaya69er]

not really for a nas as no ecc support. lack of ecc is another balls up in the video

[@stevenf7683]

The biggest advantage of a Synology is the app packages. I love their add-ons - both Synology and 3rd party. While it is able be done on other systems, it is nice to be able just select an app and it installs without worry.

[@johanneskingma]

that goes for qnap as well. I have a self build archlinux based ZFS NAS as well as a QNAP TS435s. The amount of maintenance time spend on the QNAP dwindles by the time on the arch one. Unfortunately the self build NAS sports a SATA controller that does not play nice with TrueNAS. But all in all, it is much more work. And I don't mean build I actually like that.

[@cubertmiso]

Doesn't all add-ons in synology/qnap etc just broaden the attack surface?

[@stevenf7683]

@@cubertmiso Nope. They are pretty well locked down unlike BYO.

[@badscotsman]

The thing no one ever shows with these types of NAS Raid storage setup videos is the recovery process when a drive fails - which, in my opinion, is really the only learning outcome worth the entire process.

[@aberdeenmeadows]

Agreed. I had the same question starting out in the 90's with servers, networks, etc. and one thing that training left out was how to recover. Not knowing could be the life or death of your data forever!