Linux vs BSD: Everything you Need to Know

[@F632-s4x]

I'm looking to learn more about bsd but everything I find just lists off reasons why bsd is so great and is so much better than linux in every way. I'm looking for a more balanced take that I can trust to start making and informed decision.

[@diegouy8277]

Just put it in a vm

[@adgodsgiving6980]

Freebsd didn't allot suspend/resume to my laptop and didn't recognize touchpad, openbsd doesn't have Bluetooth and virtualbox which i need, so if you don't mind those things and don't care about perfomance, try it :D

[@callisoncaffrey]

There is great documentation, but if you want videos, check out teetech here on youtube.

[@6iaZkMagW7EFs]

it really depends on what you want to do. i'd say Linux is easier to install and has more available software, making it more useful for desktop/workstation/gaming. but BSD is well-suited to running web and other servers.

[@callisoncaffrey]

@@6iaZkMagW7EFs Depends on the Linux distro. OpenBSD can be installed by pressing enter until it reboots. If you want GUI it's somewhat comparable to the Arch install. Unless that one has a scripts or interfaces now. I can do anything with it I could do with Linux. I have it on an older box so you notice it being a bit slower. But I wouldn't start a browser on any other system. Well, okay, maybe the Qubes or Kubes distro, where every application is run in a vm. But then why the hassle? OpenBSD comes with pledge and unveil so everything is separated the way I like it without me doing anything.

[@bologna3048]

Somehow the BSD guys are even worse at selling their OS than the Linux dudes... how tf do you manage that?

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

It’s almost as if the better your OS is, the worse you are at sales and marketing.

[@matyasmarkkovacs8336]

Because FreeBSD is still not an option for an average home use. Generally Linux does everything what a normie user wants, plus it has much better hardware and software support. If somebody made the change from Windows to Linux, there's no real reason to switch to BSD.

[@egorsozonov7425]

Because there is no Red Hat in the BSD world. Because the permissive license of BSD is bad for open-source multi-company cooperation

[@s1nistr433]

​@@Jordan-hz1wr This is mainly due to barrier of entry. On windows it's usually just pre installed on whatever laptop you buy and you get a gui to click around and do stuff. It's just brainless/intuitive to use so 99% of people who don't care much about tech just use it and move on with their lives, even if it's bloated and less productive. On BSD you get a terminal and have to set it up yourself installing and configuring. You have to learn how to do it. Techy people are willing to spend that upfront time to learn it for the productivity gains of using something like linux / bsd but it's never gonna be marketable to the average user that way. It's not necessarily a good or bad thing it's just a different target audience altogether.

[@miloradowicz]

​@@matyasmarkkovacs8336 there's literally no reason to switch from windows to linux unless you follow it up with linux to bsd transition.

[@theosexpertdaymon2774]

Note on BSD WIFI hardware support: it's lacking in my experience. So if you're using a laptop you may be stuck with Linux or a very long ethernet cable. You could get a WIFI dongle that is supported; however most adapters on sale don't exactly have the chipset used listed making checking compatibility a pain.

[@demxey9395]

I use OpenBSD on Thinkpad t490s i struggled with Intel’s WIFI firmware but i used a different WIFI dongle to install the Intel WIFI firmware and it works just fine now

[@rickytorres9089]

Even on Linux Mint 19.3 it's a BIRCH to get quality WiFi support. So I wired up by NetGear powerline.

[@classicallemur1190]

You seem to only take interest in the pros of bsd and the cons of linux, feels a little biased tbh.

[@user-ux2kk5vp7m]

@@r2com641 LOL!

[@-bazoona3654]

@@r2com641 and bsd is much worse

[@evildragon1774]

Both sucks, use windows

[@-bazoona3654]

@@evildragon1774 lmao have fun with suffering with windows torturing you with updates that slow down your pc and crashes alot

[@8jrleyva]

@@-bazoona3654 ive customised and optimised my win10 to the lengths of where gentoo with a custom kernel cant even reach or any other superior OS. people really go for linux yet ive been coding for 30+ years and have a PHD in hardware engineering and win10 was the perfect foundation to create the ultimate OS. I literally have 0 processes running until i launch a system. i made it perfect for games and its able to reach 3x the fps compared to people with the best hardware with only running a ryzen apu..... IM ABLE TO HAVE 3X THE FPS OF BEST HARDWARE WITH ONLY A LAPTOP CONATIANING A RYZEN APU!!!!!

[@jongeduard]

Note! I recognised the use of the word "distributions", for example at 1:11. This is already where it goes wrong. These are BSD derived operating systems, not just distributions. These BSD derived systems these days are a just group of related systems, they don't share a single code base like Linux does. In fact there is actually only 1 Linux, which is only the name of the kernel, when used more correctly. That same kernel is used in combination with GNU software (the GNU/Linux distributions), with Android and others. Like explained in this video itself. By the way, what math fractal is that animation based on?

[@allenlark]

The Linux kernel is modified frequently for specialized operating systems and distributions

[@jongeduard]

@@allenlark Alright, that is true. Android is an example of that. But still, eventually these modified versions of the kernel are also updated from the mainline kernel code, but just much less often. On the other end, the split-up of the BSD based systems is much longer ago, going back entirely to the 90s. I consider that a big difference.

[@boxerfencer]

BSDs cross pollinate. If I recall they've done so with psckage managers as well as firewalls. And as with the rise of ghostbsd, pcbsd, desktopbsd, hello, and others, there certainly are bsd distros nowadays.

[@xydez]

Youre mom

[@arnabbanik6403]

​@@xydezYour*

[@brandonphilander661]

BSD needs more virtualization and vfio / pcie passthrough support.

[@pavelyankouski4913]

BSD is a hidden Christmas present which is not for everyone

[@Slateproc]

And for my next question; how agressively did Darwin split from BSD

[@extenos]

i feel like bsd is more corporate and less community based, and it seems like it doesnt like foss as much. i guess ill just stick with linux

[@DV-ml4fm]

I use both linux and freebsd. My only gripe is that web browsers in bsd don't play drm content.

[@stevejohnson1321]

On my unofficial experiment, FreeBSD and GhostBSD were more conservative on resources than Kubuntu. That was on my 2012 Toshiba laptop which doesn't have much to spare. What isn't on the various BSDs is Widevine. If you wish to play protected content, there is a published patch to get it working. I've not had success yet.

[@Zephyrus0]

The licensing part of GNU GPL (v2 in this case) is straight up wrong, the GPL doesn't stop from making any software comercial, it stops from making software proprietary. And it has one exception that allows you to make a software proprietary as long as it's not being distributed. That's why many SaaS products use GPL code in their base because they're technically not distributing the software because it's on their private servers, that's why AGPL (later GNU AGPL) was created to remove that exception. Some examples of Commercial GPL software : Ardour, RHEL, etc.

[@crysiscontained4421]

I can tell you Red Hat (The distro) is not commercial. They sell support, not the software. You cannot sell anything with a GNU License but you can sell support for it. I was going to play with Red Hat at one time but they require you to sign up before you can even download it and that was a big no from me. They play a game of semantics; can't download till you sign up for support and you can't sign up for support without paying for it. The initial developer support is free though.

[@Zephyrus0]

@@crysiscontained4421 fine, you can make semantic difference between service and software but Ardour in fact sells binaries and it's licensed under GPL you can ask the developer himself of the forums if you wish so.

[@Wkaelx]

@@crysiscontained4421 They closed their source code so it's kinda of a semi-proprietary software now.

[@paullanghorn7493]

Where can I download the stimulating psychedelic Kaleidoscope in motion background used in your presentation?

[@nikolqy]

Saw something either exactly the same or similar on Mr doob

[@gregf9160]

Apple MacOS is 100% FreeBSD all the way down, with two minor exceptions: the way it handles Virtual Memory and certain, limited to Apple, Kernel extensions. I've been a Linux user for decades but these days I am more favourably disposed to FreeBSD. Slower, more Software-Engineering based release cycle. It's perfect for robustness.

[@tomjoad6993]

Why do you say MacOS is 100% FreeBSD? I had a feeling it was more FreeBSD than people tried to make it out to be. I have read Apple's own literature where they mention what they used from FreeBSD, but it doesn't sound like they are saying it's basically all FreeBSD with a few minor exceptions. Where did you get your info about this?

[@sofiaknyazeva]

macOS isn't 100% FreeBSD. That's just nothing more than a fact. Indeed, macOS contains a large number of FreeBSD codes, especially coreutils, however, both are extremely different. macOS kernel doesn't have any direct relationship with FreeBSD. And after decades of shipping the macOS code, it's extremely hard to believe, FreeBSD is 100% macOS.

[@NonameEthereal]

This is just as correct as claiming the PlayStation 4 is a FreeBSD system. As in: nope. They use more FreeBSD code than Windows does, but talking about differences in "kernel extensions" becomes hilariously incorrect when one remembers that MacOS does not use the FreeBSD kernel. It uses XNU (originally built on top of Mach for NextStep), which does use some parts common to the old 4.3 BSD and later FreeBSD. Userland was also quite non-FreeBSD for a good while, eg default shell being GNU Bash until the recent swap to Zsh. So on and so forth. Certain parts of the FreeBSD community like to exaggerate to such an extreme degree it becomes indistinguishable from simply making shit up.

[@PeIeus]

outplayed.

[@XteVision]

if you ever stumble over bsd on research or purpose, there is no way back. NetBSD was my first Approach back in the early 90ies on Amiga Computers. Yes I do like Linux as well. For now I work on my stuff with Darwin. BSD is pure unix. Propably the safest Computer Environment ever made. It's so simple, logical, and even blind folded, you will love this magic set.

[@nikolqy]

How did you get a Darwin installation!? I’ve been looking for it but Pure Darwin seems discontinued!?

[@randomtopics8989]

"Everything you Need to Know", no mention of package management, file systems, installation process, terminal differences, etc.

[@kenkelvin4023]

I love that my FreeBSD not using as much cpu as this GNU bloat i literally can use my 128mb computer on the modern web with a single tab

[@Stszelec01]

You can also do that with gnu bloat

[@kenkelvin4023]

@@Stszelec01 maybe with alpine Linux which isn’t gnu

[@Stszelec01]

@@kenkelvin4023 in scenario wich you presented the kernel will we main memory hog not gnu/bloat

[@kenkelvin4023]

@@Stszelec01 did I even mention Linux ?

[@Stszelec01]

@@kenkelvin4023 no but said with gnu utils its hard to use system like that wich isn't true

[@hb9145]

0:00-0:19 LSD-trip

[@Moister356]

BSD is too niche for now. Software support is always important it doesn't really depends if it's good, better or worse.

[@christopherhorn5274]

Kind of misleading to say the GPL restricts commercial use; it doesn't. It just requires that the source code be available and that users are free to change and redistribute it.

[@rwl0323]

Excellent video! Just curious...what desktop and window manager are you using in this video?

[@peacemekka]

it looks like gnome

[@amitacharya8167]

Does Jurrasic Park runs on BSD?

[@RichardRobinsonX]

This video was not helpful. All it did was repeat how BSD is better than Linux in every situation without going into any detail at all.

[@notcrediblesolipsism3851]

I spent the weekend trying both free and open bsd on my laptop. I found myself gravitating to openbsd because things like wifi are so intuitive, with wpa built directly into ifconfig. No need for iwctl or wpa_supplicant or anything else. What a breath of fresh air. The problems started with graphical display when i tried to install kde. The default recommended partition scheme had the /usr partition set too small so the install failed. Annoying because the recommendation is for separate partitions and i trusted the suggested partition scheme. I did manage to get started with spectrwm display manager but it doesn't feel anywhere near as good as hyprland with wayland. Secondly, setting up neovim the way i like it seemed impossible. Several of the packages i wanted are not supported by openbsd. My final act was to downlod an arch iso (btw) and write it to a pen drive. I think I'm gonna switch back

[@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive]

PLEASE, what is the name of the music at the beginning 🙏

[@Maketecheasier]

KZbin music library "Stranger Danger"

[@lvill3633]

I'm wondering if BSD is a good choice for data science purposes? ☺️

[@classicrockonly]

Give it a try and see if you like it :)

[@penguin8974]

why not? it's a OS.

[@anantakusumap2459]

The problem there is no support cuda or rocm so you can't train ML models in GPU.

[@Shahinc0]

BSD main Hardware issue has at WiFi Cards support new signals such as AX AS or soo...

[@chanpasadopolska]

BSD aarch64 please

[@windws7137]

What's the song 0:00 ?

[@Maketecheasier]

KZbin music library "Stranger Danger"

[@DocLulzson]

*FreeBSD is great using right now btw*

[@stephangammeter6962]

how easy is it to compile tensorflow for bsd?

[@danieleccleston7928]

now I know where to go after going down the distro rabbit hole

[@elpapichulo4046]

freedom for developers or corporations?

[@SunnyGabe]

Is it just a rumor that bsd runs everything faster, better, rather than linux?

[@classicrockonly]

It depends on the task. The only thing that immediately comes to mind for me was when I saw apache2 running on Linux vs FreeBSD and FreeBSD curb stomped Linux. However, there were other tasks where Linux was the very clear winner and other times where it was a wash. There has also been cases where FreeBSD can handle higher loads more efficiently. For me, I find the BSD tools available are more sensible, simple (in a good way), cohesive, well documented, and just as performant. In terms of performance where I would say Linux is BETTER is compared to OpenBSD. However, OpenBSD has a stance on security/correctness > performance

[@Sumire973]

It depends as the one above says, anyway it's still another option, i wish open source desktop operating systems were more widely used.

[@classicrockonly]

​@@Sumire973 Having used FreeBSD on the desktop for 2 years, it's definitely a great option. OpenBSD has a WAY better out of the box experience than FreeBSD, but you have to have good hardware, like a generic Intel desktop or a Thinkpad. You'll get the least resistance with those setups. For the desktop, you're forced more to the command line though. However, now I love dwelling on the command line, I find a lot of the time GUI applications waste my time now lol

[@Sumire973]

​@@classicrockonly Yup, i prefer GUI over CLI imo, at least for the desktop, sadly some GUI apps like GNOME Software are a slow and unstable garbage and there is much to improve on them and lacks of certain features which forces you to use the CLI to update the system.

[@classicrockonly]

@@Sumire973 Indeed. I also generally just favor command line because I love to use the mouse as little as possible. So most of my applications end up being terminal programs or are keyboard-driven desktop programs. I never feel like I'm forced into using a terminal, I just much prefer it after having learned it more :)

[@munocat]

The bsd are only good for x86, on any other platform wifi, Bluetooth and audio. Are just lacking

[@edwardelliott5756]

It sounds like you have not tried BSD in a long time. Since 11 I have had little trouble getting everything working on a modern laptop - yeah that’s the acid test for any open source o/s.

[@911Salvage]

BSDs are crap, especially on laptops. If you have a hybrid GPU system (a system that has an IGP for OS GUI and lightweight tasks plus a discrete GPU for serious tasks), BSDs are completely hopeless. The BSDs rarely work properly even on basic laptops, especially in terms of power management and wireless. Stop beating around the bush and actually use the OSes on the types of modern hardware most people have. 4 out of 5 times, the BSDs will disappoint you. The fact that Linux development is not vertically integrated has no bearing on end-users. It might affect you if you're developing your own Linux-based OS.

[@proctoscopefilms]

I am a less savvy user that's trying to get a home nfs share server up and running. You're saying that if Im running TrueNAS (based on BSD) on a laptop, I would experience power management problems ?

[@-aexc-]

@@proctoscopefilms power management only really matters as long as you're not running off battery power

[@CharlieBoardman1]

You know it’s bad for BSD when they talk about the “widespread popularity of Linux”

[@bin4rym4ge]

Linux: Daily Driver BSD: Servers

[@michaelheimbrand5424]

Spot on mate.

[@CosmicChew]

BSD in the future may become more popular with the current linux user base. This could happen once Linus T. retires. The linux foundation is corrupt. They are not properly allocating fund to Linux Kernal. Lots of board members 70% of them are against the licensing. Linux has a rocky, uncertain future ahead.

[@drmgiverdrmgiver5335]

Make te cheasier!

[@YeisenAchitel]

ok, but can you play doom on it ;)

[@brianobey4368]

Btw I use bsd.....

[@breakfast7595]

I wish I could, but I can't even get totally off Microshit, because software developers are more concerned with crappy mainstream architectures designed for the useful idiots. If people put even a little bit of investment into BSD it would be superb. However, I do run an old R720 with TrueNAS and it works flawlessly for my home network. Applications like Plex are perfect, and the idle power usage for such a large machine is tolerable. It (IMO) is better than the Linux alternative (Unraid). Even though I will get plenty of Linux users complaining for me simply having an opinion. Linux fanboys are like any other. Annoying as fuck (And I use Linux daily).

[@mcwolfbeast]

Subtitle: "As explained by a BSD proponent". This isn't "everything you need to know", far from it -- it is however a decent try at selling BSD to a wider audience :)

[@CocolinoFan]

2024 - Linux kernel just banned all developers of a country :|

[@lentilgod58]

What a condescending tone.

[@dsal3389]

I never used BSD, but that video does not make sense, also the licensing is really bad, I guess that is one of the biggest reasons ill never use it in the future

[@notgiven3114]

The licensing is the main reason I'm a BSD fan. What are you complaining about?

[@matyasmarkkovacs8336]

​@@notgiven3114I don't think it's bad, but GPL seems better for me.

[@mauzki-]

BSD struggles in key elements; software support like discord, games and even stuff that is just needlessly akward. Their is no reason OpenBSD can't have a gui Wi-Fi applet in the repos, other then some awkward ideological trait. By the time you got everything hooked up you're going to learn most of the stuff you use daily doesn't work at all or as well. The security while great for a server application for the user doesn't provide much other than superstitious traits like the login manager not indicating you're typing the password, not being able to switch to a different gui within the login manager and awkwardly. Like I said OpenBSD and other BSDs are great and I even have openBSD testing on my laptop, but I don't get any gain from it I don't get in debian be that in stability, security and speed. Debian archives the goals you mentioned of having a more coherent function and design and feels like a complete OS albeit not in the literal calibre BSD is. To sum up use case's as 'linux is better for beginners' is ignorant as I'm not a beginner, I've installed, used and configured open BSD, multiple linux distros and I don't see much gain in swapping it out on my main machine other than I can vaguely signal I use it. Even the devs of said bsds don't market it as much, FreeBSD devs use mac OS for the most part, openBSD advertise its usage more for servers for instance.

[@dorktales254]

BSDeezNutz

[@garthdev]

This is NONSENSE!!!

[@ViktoriN.Nilsson]

Bsd is like Apple, who makes the use of it, primarely secterian and cultish, yes infact a bit snobbish and derogative toward other OS's.

[@Jokerlevin]

Content creator: Linux vs BSD: Everything you Need to Know Also content creator: Only brings up pros of bsd and cons of linux. Like are you serious with this shit? PS. Also the gpl doesnt hinder the commercialization of software. It prevent it from being closed source. At least be right when making a biased video.

[@florshureyeahdrsheshk4802]

Bsd isn't linux red ✋ 👍

[@karanjoshi2662]

windows is better