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Answering followup questions to my 'Every Army in 16min' new player video.
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[@2Tough]

totally missed the opportunity to call this "the premature errata and FAQ" 😆😆 that seemed up your alley

[@Mafus2000]

Would love more of the "Why play" series, its amazing!

[@Ben-kc9ye]

Really like the style. No nonsense facts with calm dry humor. You keep this up and I'm going to make the jump from 40k

[@torymiddlebrooks]

Editing, delivery, humor, knowledge. A tier across the list, s sometimes. This dude is a buddy and somebody I would really enjoy playing with.

[@callusklaus2413]

Thanks for making these mate. I'm an old butthurt Fantasy player, I have been angrily ignoring AoS after the, uhh, end times, but it's nice to see it's matured into a really cool game. I love the new aesthetic, nighthaunt are particularly badass.

[@mathan583]

Rarely have I recognised myself that much in a comment.

[@BUSSTISEBOOST]

Age Of Sigmar 2.0 has made it better than when it originally came out. Still a damn shame WHFB was killed to make it. At least we have Total War Warhammer

[@callusklaus2413]

@@BUSSTISEBOOSTMost definitely. I think it was also pretty terrible, because post launch the rules were pretty watered down. I was there to play a game with a higher skill ceiling. Now that it has some complexity, I might be down. It's still hard to justify models when they might pull the rug out again.

[@krisv1038]

@@callusklaus2413 Is there any equivalent to a digital version of this game ? It looks really fun but it seems crazy to not only have to find people to play with but also find room for all the models

[@callusklaus2413]

@@krisv1038 You have two options that I can think of! Tabletop simulator can be an immediate digital solution for a virtual version of the game. It isn't built for this game specifically, but I know that people play a whole host of tabletop games using that software. You could find a forum or a group that plays. If you want to play a game that is extremely close and have a strong computer, you should really check out the total war Warhammer games. Holy shit, I cannot sing high enough praises of those games. The only drawbacks is that the game is expanded by DLC, so there's a lot of it, and it's pretty spendy. That said, the game is H U G E, and the add ons are mostly optional. Wait for a steamsale, and still understand that this game costs like 150 bucks for a complete version.

[@Brickman509]

>HeyWoah releases a new warhammer video We are reaching new levels of chill! Seriously your videos are super relaxing man, keep it uo!

[@hailhydra7959]

The Legion of Azgorh bit really got me wanting to collect them. With masochism like that, Slaanesh is probably the faction for me.

[@OnlyRoke]

Me: "GW, can we have Chaos Dwarves in AoS proper?" GW: "We have Chaos Dwarves in AoS proper." Chaos Dwarves in AoS proper: *that one random sculpt in the Spire Tyrants Warband* :(

[@NMahon]

And theres one in the iron golems!

[@bendebec]

You make some really good content, and I really like your voice + deadpan tone. I really wish that your kind of videos existed when I was first looking at warhammer. I remember being so frustrated at how hard it was to see how each faction worked mechanically.

[@s2studlys2]

Love your work HeyWoah. The monotone in your voice is perfection. Keep up the great work,your video's are extremely informative and easy to listen/watch while painting :)

[@TheSharklionBeast]

I like that Neverhood picture you got in the background! Thanks for going into more detail, I'm thinking of going into events for AoS for the first time when Covid passes and it was really nice to hear you talk about the game like this

[@vincemincevince]

i don’t even play AOS any more but i still love your videos

[@oliverklar813]

Oh my, thank you again for your insight, dusty humor and great video. So much fun listening and watching your video!

[@MegaTCash]

Awesome video Heywoah! Keep up the very much appreciated videos!

[@mindeclipse85]

Thanks for the well made, fun to watch and informative videos! New AOS player and this content is spot on - Thank you!

[@NoNamesWereAvail]

Really great videos for brand new players like myself. I can't wait for the Orruk Warclans faction focus video (went with Ironjawz) and maybe also the Nighthaunt one that I'm curious about. Keep up the good work!

[@cmdrsausage]

I have been bingeing your content, absolutely fantastic! Thanks for this, left the hobby in disgust after fantasy died but getting concise informed videos with a bit of lore/mechanics and most importantly play style is awesome. Looking forward to your future content, especially Seraphon.

[@diamonddynamo9611]

Also I can see a "what range is so big that it's a problem" to be the vice versa to FEC, and that's decidedly stormcast with the aforementioned 5 answers to 1 role and 4 are lackluster

[@MichaelSmith-py6mg]

I only only got into warhammer fairly recently and it was mostly because I wanted to paint the models, but I’m really liking the actual “playing the game” side of things thanks to your videos. Gives me a bit of perspective for future purchases instead of only looking for something that looks cool

[@axiseliteguard8140]

Why is it that every time I watch a Heywoah video and it ends, I sit back and think to myself “this dude needs to be writing rules for the game cause this shit is spot on”!?!?!?!?!?!? Please for the love of Sigmar listen to this man GW!!!!!!

[@lloydjamieson2143]

Love the videos and honest overview.

[@axelvillanueva655]

dude, really like your videos, even if i'm barely beginning in aos i really like your objective views, keep at it!

[@davidblenner9082]

Great stuff as always

[@diamonddynamo9611]

I'm pretty sure a chaos battletome: Chaos Duardin would provide the AOS version of, if in 40k, the legion of the damned got a codex, do it you cowards, give us a aos chaos dwarf Dreadnaught with a steam train head

[@thomasmoomaw653]

I think the main tell on how chill the aos scene is, is how you contribute look of models into there power and consideration

[@HeyWoah]

I know eidolon of the storm is a terrible return on points, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to play an elven soul elemental with the wave of kanagawa as a cape.

[@fellipemartins4730]

this video brought peace to my soul

[@John-nh5bk]

Your channel kinda rules dude. Buying my first set of Ogors soon!!

[@chefmike231]

Aww I like the shark and eel sculpts

[@LolCraven]

This is quality content.

[@geartokki5234]

I want to say thank you for making "16min amry description. My g/f and I are getting into AoS. She decided Seraphones. I...for a while not sure what to get as my first army then your description on the fyreslayer got me interested and begin to looked them up. I dont understand why no one likes them. The lore is great and having half naked muscular dwarves sounds even awesome! I want to represent low playrate army. They need some loves. Also, melee focus and tough army sounds like what I'm looking for atm. I hope you could make "why play fyreslayer" in the future. Not many guides out there for them. I enjoy your content. Thank you!

[@Cloudy-qb4ri]

part of the reasons people don't like them is because they go against everything the Dwarves in natural Fantasy settings stand for. They don't have any heavy plate armours, they ride salamander whilst Dwarves would rather trust their own 2 feet, they use magic (urg...), no artillery, no gun, things that make the Dwarves proud. And if you come from where we fantasy nerds come from, you'll see that people tend to cling onto things that make them comfortable. i'm not necessarily saying Fyreslayers concepts are bad, i'm just saying that people are not fond of changes.

[@Jamesviolaofficial]

I like your videos a lot, man!

[@HypnoKraken]

My favorite thing is Shroud Level Magma Cannoning people with LOA and laughing

[@Jemso999999999]

good stuff!

[@dangerouslycheezy5429]

Killer hat! Miss that game

[@szymonhutnik185]

Aqshy is just a name of one of the main Wind of magic from Warhammer fantasy (fire magic). In the end times teclis deconstructed the vortex on ulthuan to empower malekith with pure magic so he can end tyrion blood rage. Eventually teclis failed, winds run away and found their incarnations etc Aqshy incarnated in Ungrim Ironfist as god Grimnir. In Age of sigmar are 8 realms which represents 8 main winds of magic and 1 realm of chaos

[@andymelfi4820]

Actually pretty cool! Thanks for the lore dump

[@halflifeger4179]

I like the Idoneth Deepkin eel models!

[@HeyWoah]

Then have I got a deal for you - IDK! It's half memeing to hate on the eels anyhow.

[@stuartmortimer6791]

Love the altered beast hat

[@ElvaanRanger]

Wearing an Altered Beast Hat ... You son of a bitch I’m in! Subbed friend! Time to binge watch your videos 😁

[@vincentlionheart6201]

you right, war trains are FUCKING cool

[@booniesblues7310]

Would you reccomend an skaven army that's only Clan skryre and maybe 1 grey seer? I love the explosions and magic theme and would love to have a battle line of stormfiends, other idea was going GSG

[@HeyWoah]

Clan skryre is super fun imo. One of the few clans (along with maybe pesilens) that can stand on its own. stormfiends are walking armies in a can, look totally sweet, but a bit slow and can get dog piled. Even still, I'd be on them if I played skaven, all I need is 'viable' to justify playing the coolest looking stuff.

[@Grumdy]

You know it's a good day when HeyWoah posts a new video. Also, thank you for speaking truth to all the people who think OBR are "top 3"

[@ExileDCC]

To be fair, Forgeworld can barely even maintain or care about their own game (Horus Heresy).

[@radeksmid6593]

Hey, thanks a lot for the Chaos Dwarves part :-)

[@radeksmid6593]

Btw, I played my last game of AOS over a year ago (I'm mostly 40k competitive player), but my two Magma Cannons dealing 1d6 mortal wounds each turn were cool. Sadly, that's the only useful artillery train part of the army... Also, Bull Centaur hero is quite good, with Grotesque trait (-1 to hit) and that artifact granting another -1 to hit (and +1" move I believe). That results in fast and hard hitting model, surprisingly resilient with total of -2 penalty to be hit in CC (only -1 vs shooting attacks though) and ignoring the first wound taken each round due to his Blackshard armor. Line infantry is laughable, except rifle dwarfs, who are really dangerous. Forget about the really weak profile of the weapon as it is, only the mortal wounds count. Usually I used them to finish off units weakened by my Magma Cannons. The result is some CC potencial, great abilities generating mortal wound and solid spells (Fireball is a nice spell and you should really use some allies for even more direct damage spells). I like the army a lot and I believe, that I really got the best of it. But, as I don't really have any knowledge of today's AOS metagame, I can't even guess its power level when compared to other armies. Still, it is really surprising, what can you do with one short PDF document.

[@sean2798]

You should totally do the blades of khorne

[@magisterapophis8714]

Got me into wanting to get some Fyreslayers next paycheck.

[@bluestormpony]

Will you do a faction focus on lumineth? Or are they still too new to make calls on whats good or general strategy?

[@HeyWoah]

Unfortunately they aren't fully released yet, and I can't play test games due to covid :( eventually yes!

[@FlourEater]

I liked this video just because of the Clayman from Neverhood in the background.

[@thealteredmind9475]

As someone looking to go more Beastclaw, is double Frostlords on Stonehorns plus Eurlbad a good list to go with still? Is it just good in general ?

[@HeyWoah]

That's what I played to go 4-1 at my first 5 round event after the book dropped. It's possible simply more monsters is better (such as the 5 stonehorn eurlbad 2drop I'm testing out) - but it plays more to a cagey style of objective tempo play that I tend to favor. 2 frostlords is strong and super fun, other stuff might be corner case better, but I think both are in the same tier and maybe personal pref. The loss of ethereal amulet is big, and currently testing out exactly how big.

[@thealteredmind9475]

@@HeyWoah Much appreciated. Having you and Doom is a godsend for us Ogors players

[@thealteredmind9475]

@@HeyWoah What would be a good replacement for the Etheral Amulet? And what is the benefit of the double huskard and 3 beast rider list over the double frostlord list ?

[@HeyWoah]

@@thealteredmind9475 50 capturing vs 40 capturing equiv, which might be strong enough to take the hit in quality, to taste. Tokens of the Everwinter suck, but they're the only option imo. It's a big step down.

[@thealteredmind9475]

@@HeyWoah Very fair, I think quality might win out for me personally. Frostlords are rad

[@derekgehring2771]

Great video as always. If you have the time, what makes DoK powerful and HoS underdog? Seems like they both have a lot of the same vulnerabilities, and DoK lacks any summoning or fight first ability. Thanks again for your content definitely one of the AoS greats

[@HeyWoah]

DoK, even though it might not seem like it at first glance, is actually very durable. Also does about double the damage HoS can pull off.

[@mrigank3855]

What makes DoK Powerful is their durability while also having sheer offensive power. When you think of a horde of witch elves , you think of a glass cannon offensive unit, very strong offensively not so much defensively. not so with DoK. Their naked elves are more resilient than a god forged armoed Stormcast. They have 4+ save with shields and being near their cauldron. They have a 6+ Feel No Paint, buffed to a 5+ near their general in Hagg Nar (the only useful subfaction). With a prayer that goes of on a 3+ they re roll all Feel No Pain Saves. So imagine 2 blocks of WItches with 2-3 attacks each and that kind of save profile coming at you. Oh and they have a spell that gives them 2 damage each if your bravery is lower than theirs. As for Fight first, their sisters have a 6 inch combat pile range, so it avoid the fight first thing any opponents might have So its effectively a naked glass cannon, with toughnesss that would put Medieval knights to shame. Funnily enough Fyreslayers are the same way, so naked things in the game have better saves and damage resiliency than armored tanks

[@Wolfphototech]

*Pretty please cover NightHaunt .*

[@DiceRidersJM]

Wow you are really fun to watch. I dont really get why but you are

[@Zectari]

I see you started with a series "Why play ", will there be a video on Nighthaunt? Keep up the good work, I learned more about AoS in these two videos than what I've picked up on my own here and there since I started with AoS 1 year ago

[@HeyWoah]

Plan is to eventually do them all, those videos are pretty in-depth and take me a long time to make so they are a bit spaced out

[@Alexandre-nv4nm]

Hashut is pleased

[@dmeep]

does AoS have anything like 40ks rule of 3 that limit spam somewhat? Rule of 3 beeing max 3 och the same thing apart from troops in a list

[@HeyWoah]

No, though spamming is fairly rare (with some famous exceptions like Eels, ardboys, blightkings) others rarely use more than 3 of a unit just naturally.

[@autumnlotus6250]

You honestly Canr have a rule like that in this game. Most AoS armies dont gave enough good units to not do 3+ of a unit

[@UnicornSafetyPin75]

Hey, HeyWoah! I have a question regarding the question at 12:06 in the vid. Do you have any other examples of hard armies that are very rewarding or do you recommend those VERY much? I understand this comment is FAR past the posting date of the video so I don’t expect a response, although it would be highly appreciated!

[@HeyWoah]

LRL for sure

[@UnicornSafetyPin75]

@@HeyWoah thanks for responding! LRL look very cool! I guess I know who I’m going to build my army for!!!

[@tgiffin]

Playing two GK on TG is the most fun.

[@Razart9081]

Where does it say that summoned units can’t capture objectives? I can’t seem to find this in any book

[@HeyWoah]

FAQ Designer's Commentary GHB2020 - it's not that they can't capture objectives, it's that they don't count for Bonus points on certain battleplans. So some of them say 1 extra point if captured by a "Battleline" unit or a "Behemoth" unit, etc, and the note states that units "added to your army during the game don't gain their normal pitched battle profiles". That's why it's only a small chunk taken out of the HoS battletome image I made - it's minor but a thing.

[@kyle_the_cozy]

Aw man, I think Dragon Ogors are neat...

[@dnaseb9214]

Please do beasts of chaos Go into god focus, speak of khorne beasts of chaos, etc. Most people dont focus on how they work if dedicated to 1 god

[@vinsklortho2008]

If I like the attrition playstyle of Legion of Grief with all the ghosts, should I just be playing ghost heavy Legion of Nagash instead if legality is an issue? Which of those legions actually plays ghost heavy the best?

[@HeyWoah]

It's a trade off between their named heroes for the most part. If you weren't going to play with olyndr or kurdoss then it's an easy LoN choice. Probably sacrament in a vacuum.

[@vinsklortho2008]

@@HeyWoah Thank you. :)

[@afish2409]

awesome video, and you are right. Skraggrot gotta retire but he is too good toolbox of everything: one man artillery, magic, anti magic purpose, moon positioning, and most of all, CP banks of Switzerland. gitz are, in my opinion, king of underdog tiers, and looking for taking throne of good tier.

[@commandercostas]

I want to play the army equivalent of playing a demoknight load out in tf2, what do I pick?

[@HeyWoah]

beastclaw

[@commandercostas]

@@HeyWoah Instructions unclear, I now main KO with a box of Slaanesh and birthday-gifted Seraphon on my shelf

[@bartek_ewertowski]

Dragon Ogres are actually super cool models though :(

[@gwell2118]

Idoneth without doubt a bit of an outlier in terms of spam lists to be comptetive. If its not mass eels its just not doing well. Yeah Ironjawz like their Ardboyz but I've seen some Gore-grunta lists do well backed by Mawcrushas. And now that they are in Warclans I nornally see some Arrow boyz, etc. Its just bad balance in the Idoneth book. Not saying it doesn't exist in other books but they are an obvious example.

[@LeonBleak]

"Archaon killed every champion the Chaos gods sent. Then Mork and Gork got tired of seeing such a sad excuse for a warrior and sent a really champion, Grimgor Ironhide who proceeded to mop the battlefield with Archaon, Best amongst the losers" - Fixed.

[@wyvern876]

Did you leave Sons of Behemet out of the "every army" video for similar reasons as LOA?

[@HeyWoah]

I left them out because they did not exist when I made this video.

[@wyvern876]

@@HeyWoah That makes more sense.

[@relpmat]

Why might Nighthaunt be maybe good now? It's perfectly okay as a sentence, though very hard to say and the word choices are a bit weird but the sentence is perfectly fine. Change "maybe" to "somewhat" and it's much easier to say but "maybe" is fine too.

[@ArnolddeGans]

i do love your voice !

[@DCUATL]

Please, please PLEASE give us the transport tiers. And as many other oddball tiers as possible. Mind melting rule volume tiers anyone?

[@HeyWoah]

got around to doing that one on stream yesterday, will post highlights this week

[@SagaraJedah]

The Neverhood

[@Bmac1027]

I have idk and i run akhelian corps with a king and eidolon instead of purely eels i feel like running 24 eels is very bland and boring and i feel like the turtle and eidolons get a bad rep, turtles cover save has won games for me and the eidolons reroll wounds is very powerul when you keep the eels within range of it. the sharks arent to bad either they generally do very well you just have to play smart. Im running powerful army but a supposedly weak list for deepkin.

[@HeyWoah]

I myself run storm eidolon, reavers, and even lotan in my IDK list. only 6 or 9 eels. A Powerful army lets you make a Fun List and still be fine

[@Bmac1027]

@@HeyWoah never really like namarti felt like they died before they could attack but their attack profiles are very good for baseline troops im also a fan of making something strong into something fun so you get best of both

[@briancline7349]

I’m not trying to be a smart ass here so correct me if I’m wrong but as far as reading the battleplans and building to win them, aren’t most of them basically just “take objectives and sit on them to gain victory points”?

[@HeyWoah]

Even if they were just that, there would still be building implications. For instance there's battleplans with 2 objectives and battleplans with 8. Therefore if your army was one 800pt hero, one giant deathstar of 30 guys, and then 2 min battleline - you'd do very well on the first one and nearly auto-lose the second one. Though there are meaningful differences in battleplans, such as the unit Type which may give bonus points, some favor camping by giving snowballing points and some favor taking, burning the obj, then moving on, some win the game instantly if you control both and are far away, etc

[@PaulRosenow]

The moustache game takes time. Give it 12 months and you'll be bushy

[@user-ul2zr6mf2p]

Guys help me please. We are playing in AoS and have question : how archers and war machines are fighting in melee. Are they using missile weapons or only melee because in core rules have rule for shooting. Archers can shoot in units in range 3 but 3 is distance of pill in. Is that’s mean archers archers and war machines are using missile profile in melee fighting?

[@HeyWoah]

Shooting phase, you can shoot if it's your turn. Combat phase, your archers can use their (usually bad) melee weapons.

[@user-ul2zr6mf2p]

HeyWoah oh so if my archers stay in battle they shooting and after fighting with melee weapon, and warmachine same? For example warp lighting cannon can shoot if enemy stay with it in close combat? Is it correct I understood? And last question about skavens book of woe if skaven monks fighting in close combat can I use this ability?and also wizards can cast if they are in close combat?sorry for this stupid questions before I played in 40K and some different rules

[@HeyWoah]

40k's shooting is incredibly powerful so I think it has some mechanics about not shooting if you're in melee? I don't know 40k rules well, but in Age of Sigmar the shooting units tend to instantly die if someone charges them, so if you live, yes you can shoot while within 3 of enemy models (you just have to target that enemy unit).

[@user-ul2zr6mf2p]

HeyWoah yes in 40K not shooting in melee and in unit what fighting with some your unit, can you answer about wizards and book of woe?) and war machines also shooting in melee? for me this is very strange

[@HeyWoah]

Yeah, you can shoot, cast magic, do all that stuff. These are battle mages, if they couldn't cast spells in combat they would be so bad. Some siege engines like catapults and stuff have a minimum range that can't fire in combat, but it will say so on their warscrolls.

[@djinnglebells241]

“GW good at balancing”, Ha! Not until they fix T’au auxileries and make crisis suits good again

[@HeyWoah]

Relax, it was a false-positive. Everything is back to normal.

[@djinnglebells241]

HeyWoah I know. You’re doing great with the AoS videos by the way. I’m mostly just here to learn about the game, not switching from 40k anytime soon, and you’re style is probably the most engaging I’ve found so far, so keep going

[@big_brain_slimey1045]

Can you do why play orruks please

[@HeyWoah]

My computer died before my monday stream last week, currently building the new one. In the mean time: Orruks is the most fun army (any of the 3).

[@MrDavs1985]

Omg... your so reasonable...

[@HeyWoah]

hey thanks

[@Wolfphototech]

*Wants more "Why play" videos .*

[@j453]

War trains ARE cool. Woulda been cooler than high elves with cow hats and the cow mountain

[@rylanacker]

Weird to see my interest in tabletop wargaming cross over with the 5k hours of CSGO that I have.

[@SuperKeenR]

Fake Army review. 11/10

[@Lancelot2000Lps]

That train i love as much as Biden loves trains how does not loves trains with big guns!!! When i had the modell i would from the mortar train the length of the gun must be as big and long as the schwere Gustaf or the Dora!!!

[@ozstrider]

As usual, you are pretty spot on with your responses, but for one glaring issue, which I hope you made in error. Terradons are cool models. Dont club them with Razordons and Saurus Cav. Thats just cruel.

[@HeyWoah]

Must've been a clerical error.

[@Steve_Keen]

I'm happy that Warcry wasn't just AoS skirmish, but yeah, the warbands are complete trash for AoS proper. I say just call them marauders so you can have cool models.

[@HeyWoah]

Custom Untamed Beasts as marauders would 100% be the play if I was on slaves to darkness - it's the last piece of the puzzle to make your entire army look amazing, where nothing doesn't look cool.

[@thektorMK1]

What’s obr? Newbie here

[@HeyWoah]

Ossiarch Bonereapers

[@KabutoRaija]

please more why play..... LOL

[@canceledlogic7656]

Gotta say... Kind of miss your old format of videos. Not to mention your upload schedule

[@returntofleet]

Worst models have best rules because they want to sell the old stock before making new ones! lol

[@niilofriden4465]

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[@dnaseb9214]

Please stop using abreviations. Like "IBK", as a new player I have no idea what that is. I end up more confused then helped when you throw letters at me super fast.

[@HiveTyrant25]

You calling Eels and sharks ugly? Dislike!

[@HeyWoah]

Personal preference.