Putin's underwater threat backfires as Baltic nations begin counter-sabotage operation

[@northerncaptain855]

I was a Sea Captain for decades. Large Commercial Ships don’t drag their anchors for miles across charted pipelines by accident. This is quite clearly sabotage.

[@Philip-Knows]

Yeah? Who said the boat did that, ie what evidence is there of that?

[@CrinklyBudgie3097]

There's evidence of lines on the ocean bed from dragged anchor. The suspected ship is missing an anchor??? I wonder why ​@@Philip-Knows

[@Philip-Knows]

@CrinklyBudgie3097 🤦 you were told there was evidence.

[@mustafa1name]

@@Philip-Knows Are youtube commentators required to handle evidence personally? The evidence is from Finnish police chief investigator Sami Paila, who has the suspected ship, Russian “shadow fleet” vessel Eagle S, in custody.

[@CrinklyBudgie3097]

@Philip-Knows you're right. Go ahead become a journalist and contact the authorities to show you 🤦

[@kenleighdean8720]

You can't call it an accident when you drag an anchor for a hundred miles...

[@joshuaschmude7187]

Of course it can, you never heard of alternative facts 🥸

[@kennymorrison7227]

​@joshuaschmude7187 Haha like your alternative comedy comment 😂

[@mrb.5610]

@@kenleighdean8720 I imagine the effect on the ship is similar to driving with the handbrake on - not something that you wouldn't notice.

[@ulfosterberg9116]

​@@mrb.5610you imagine wrong. It is like driving with half of your cylinders not firing. You notice that.

[@Necrotic99]

@@mrb.5610 Ships are tracked thru AIS, the last russian ship to do that dropped to half the speed and damaged their anchor system, they then had to dump the anchor completely.

[@oddsends6048]

Kellog - NOPE. If you compromise with Russia you have decided to lose the negotiation. Just give Ukraine overwhelming force.

[@billalumni9142]

Wow, you're happy for Ukrainians to die for you. Perhaps is NATO had abided by the Minsk Accords and not lied about their intentions from the start their would not have been a war. The NATO/ US backed coup started all this in 2014.

[@MikeLopez-iv5kc]

I think that’s gonna happen

[@sigis72]

The old Soviet playbook in dealing with the West - give NOTHING, and wait until the West offers some sort of “compromise”.

[@ehawolczecki8759]

Good.

[@linmal2242]

More grunt for UKR

[@ltejano7512]

Unjustified aggression should not be rewarded, Ukraine should have territory returned before sitting down to peace notations. Putin needs to agree to unconditional surrender. To compensate Ukraine for its unjustified aggression Russia gives Ukraine territory bordering the Black Sea.

[@marekhouba1128]

Agree 100%. Check out who was the aggressor since 2013

[@gabrielesimionato1210]

​@@marekhouba1128russia

[@thor9563]

We are now re-living the days of 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E'.....battling the forces of T.H.R.U.S.H..

[@veramae4098]

... and Kursk. Old maps show it as part of Ukraine.

[@Scion3Sevens]

Ukraine "should" ??? Let's deal in REALITY.

[@Digmen1]

Wake me up when NATO and or the EU wake up and actually do something to stop this

[@1fadf23f]

Aren't the fins doing that just now?

[@geoffreynhill2833]

They're only young, compadre. They'll grow out of it one day.🤔

[@scottlowson7344]

Absolutely with you on that my friend.

[@rmdomainer9042]

Finland seized a ship. That is a good start.

[@veramae4098]

They've been doing billions of "things". What have you been doing? I send $500 every time I can, $1500 so far. Those big missiles cost $1M, but maybe they can buy some clean socks; very important to foot soldiers.

[@docremington1589]

We are still so careful to not anger the Russians… even the interviewee… enough already! Russia knows it’s at war with us! When will we finally smell the coffee?

[@UhtredOfBamburgh]

in Saviet Razzia, coffee smells you!

[@pootonscabinetchoicessuk]

when pooton owns trump, just wait till he buys/is given the nuclear codes

[@dougaltolan3017]

Because sanctions aren't aggravating.

[@andreasv9472]

​@@UhtredOfBamburgh dunno why I laughed to this 😂

[@luminyam6145]

Oh Geez, thousands of ships from all over the world travel the Baltic but none of them cut cables. I wonder what could be going on? 🙄I can't roll my eyes back any further in my head, they will fall out.

[@bigbubba4314]

@@rockbutcherhis point is that the cable cutting was intentional. Was that really too difficult for you to understand?

[@rockbutcher]

@@bigbubba4314 Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. -James Bond.

[@tomcotter8138]

@@rockbutcher Nailed it

[@pedtrog6443]

It's not as uncommon as you think. Cable damage occurs on a regular basis in any busy shipping environment. Most of it accidental or by incompetence

[@williamshakespeare4013]

And then the ones that did the robbery claim it was an accident, after they get caught. It's silly in both cases.

[@jambuhalonen2161]

If you pull an anchor more than a hundred kilometers at the bottom of the sea and then when the Finnish Coast Guard intervenes, you drop anchor on the seabed, you can say directly that it was done deliberately

[@macmcleod1188]

In order to drag your anchor, you have to leave the engines on. Leaving the enginese on is an intentional act.

[@sammyjimsmith6100]

The Finns should confiscate the anchor and the chain.

[@pootonscabinetchoicessuk]

while working aboard an apl ship (in 2009?), we dragged anchor overnight ~11 k.m. while waiting to enter china, logs are available and ship tracking is much more accurate, anything over that would be intentional w/propulsion engines engaged

[@zrebbesh]

Under what circumstance would a ship ACCIDENTALLY cut a cable or pipeline? If the motor's not shutting down and the vessel is underway, is there any excuse whatsoever to be dropping an anchor?

[@pedtrog6443]

It can be poor maintenance causing failure of the windlass or chain stopper or simy the laziness and incompetence of the crew

[@GARDENER42]

@@pedtrog6443 For 100 miles? Undiluted twaddle.

[@gizmo1958]

@@pedtrog6443lve been at sea most of my working life and would 100% say this is sabotage plain an simple . Once a ships left the channel its anchors will be secured not just by the windlass break .there’s other mechanisms put in place as well you know that in the case of failure .theres always a back up .all movements an operations are signed off . And all is battened down .for an anchor to drop at sea while moving seems to be a bit far fetched. To suspect its down to bad or lazy seamanship is down to you not seeing the reality of the situation regarding this war that Russia is waging with Ukraine

[@tealkerberus748]

Maybe in an extreme storm .. but I haven't seen reports of the sort of storm that would drag a ship at anchor that far even with engines in use to help hold position. That's more the sort of storm you get in tropical areas.

[@GARDENER42]

You Tube still censoring perfectly polite & factual comments, especially those critical of Putin's regime & its actions...

[@dereckbrannigan6195]

All “shadow” ships, if found, should be detained on grounds of being a danger to other ships, lack of insurance and environmental threats.

[@Reginaldesq]

Yes, but they are not. Which might imply that lots of countries are using shadow ships. A bit like how all countries have spies. When detected, they tend not to arrest but monitor etc.

[@beam3819]

ASAP their destroyed enough. The cyber war. The propaganda war. But strenghten the sanctions and RU are totally broke within a year.

[@t.dickinson7942]

What happened to proportional response?

[@erichert1001]

Yes, we don't "know" Russia was to blame. We also don't "know" that there isn't a magical leprechaun at the center of the sun.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Like we know the US sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline that started all this.

[@mrjerzheel]

Yes we do know theres no leprechaun at the centre of the sun lol

[@non-applicable3548]

I do know that actually, I've met him. Don't be so prejudiced

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

​@@mrjerzheelbeen there, have you?

[@Oligodendrocyte139]

​@@mmmhorsesteaks That's right. There's no magical leprechaun in the Sun. I'm on holiday. To be sure. ☘️

[@carrie5490]

It’s hard to know when you’re not close to Russia to know what is true and whether the whole thing is just fear of each other on both sides, but. Finland and Sweden know Russia, they’ve lived along side them and have a long history with them. They understand the Russians, they also understand Europe, they’ve chosen Europe. I’ll go with these that know, if they’re worried enough about Russia to join nato after decades of neutrality, then we should all be worried and listening to them.

[@bewing77]

Russia has been acting with increasing aggression for 20 years against neighboring countries. They’ve violated Swedish and Finnish territorial waters with submarines, they’ve performed “training” nuclear bombing runs against Stockholm and Helsink, infrastructure installations in the far north of both countries have mysteriously failed, they’ve been flying fully armed fighter jets with transponders turned off dangerously close to both civilian and military aircraft over the baltic, they’ve been ingaged in massive influence campaigns and so on. And if we go further back to the cold war times the list grows longer. There was hope and effort to include Russia into the west after the fall of USSR but when Putin took over he immediately shut that down and made it clear that Russia will remain what it always has been, the great danger in the east.

[@jenkem4464]

@@bewing77 Not to mention their very very active hacking and social/political tinkering with other nations and their media. They're still just an aggressive horde looking to take power but they've transitioned to the digital age with new tactics.

[@katland-kat6622]

@@bewing77 Hopefully the lesson will be learned this time around. Always a danger always no respect for life.

[@paanikki]

The tanker Eagle S sabotage of submarine cables actually happened in international waters in the Finnish EEZ. When the Finnish Coast Guard patrol vessel pulled alongside the tanker in Chistmas day, it was still dragging the anchor chain. There was no option but intervene, to prevent further damage, even though the ship was in international waters. Luckily, the captain of Tanker Eagle S followed the orders to lift the anchor chain, exit the traffic separation lane and anchor in Finnish territorial waters. The ship was boarded by Finnish law enforcement authorities while it was anchored in Finnish territorial waters. So far, Finnish authorities have found an anchor dragging path in the seabed that matches the route of the ship and extends over 100 km (55 nm), across the damaged cables. The anchor itself was also found, and later retrieved by a Swedish submarine rescue vessel. It was caught in a submarine pipeline near the poínt where the ship was stopped. There are too many dark tankers in the world. To have proper functioning sanctions, western governmnts should sanction those oil terminals that buy Russian oil, and make sure the Russian oil is not processed and sold as "non-russian" products. For example, Russians own large oil terminals and refineries in India. Russian oil is transported to India, it is processed in those refineries and the products are sold also in western countries.

[@formes2388]

The big buyers of sanctioned products are going to be the likes of China. The US right now can't afford direct sanctions do to likely retaliation; and other actors are in a similar enough state. However - it's also worth realizing if you take the product off the market 100% - you end up with a MASSIVE price spike globally as demand immediately out strips production. And if that happens - Western nations are going to have MASSIVE political upheaval. The result of the sanctions- is, Russia is forced to sell at a massive discount. 3ed party producers and those with refinery capabilities are buying it at a discount, producing it, and selling it onwards. So Russia's oil and gas are on the market, but: Russia is benefiting less from it - and, in the long term, it's limiting the use of Russia's refineries creating all kinds of long term viability problems for Gazprom. The real issue right now - is how do you stop the flow of dual use products, being used to build weapon systems in Russia? Sure the cost is way up per unit - but, it's still flowing.

[@RTmadnesstoo]

Every ship entering the Baltic should have to pass inspection for safety and insurance.

[@dennislindqvist1265]

If you turn off the transponder and drag an anchor tens of kilometers along the seabed without noticing it, then you must be criminally incompetent. Several things must also fail at the same time.

[@pingpong_]

Just criminal

[@L4v3]

The proper term is incompetent criminal, because it's really easy to prove what they did.

[@stephenbesley3177]

Sweden seem very able in underwater ops. Respect Sweden

[@joeybulford5266]

Very, very capable. And they’re currently building two new submarines

[@peabase]

Sweden's _surface_ ops need work. Unlike Finland, Sweden failed to throw the book at Yi Peng 3, the Chinese ship that cut two undersea cable near Öland. It was the Royal Danish Navy that finally detained the ship.

[@onecalledchuck1664]

@@peabase - It was in international waters, Sweden did not have the jurisdiction to detain or board them without permission.

[@peabase]

@ So was Eagle S.

[@onecalledchuck1664]

@ - Nope, Finland caught them in their territorial waters.

[@pedtrog6443]

Thumbs up for Times Radio. The quality and variety of the guests exceeds anything else out there. And then there's the interviewers...

[@JiříHaluza-w2x]

Arguments against seizing 300 billion USD from Russia and giving them to Ukraine are just artificial and weak. Trust within the world financial system would not be harmed, as this step would just show there is justice and no one can attack its neighbors and destroy its cities, killing citizens. If this punishment would be internationally agreed and processed legislatively, there is not chance for Russia to question it later on. Also it would help to avoid similar aggressions in the future as other potential offenders would think twice before they would attack.

[@SaprotuMusic]

Anybody saying these acts have not been sabatoge is lying or incompetent or both

[@marisabenson1222]

I disagree with the guests comments about not using the frozen funds. After all it's just his opinion and not really his are of expertise. Others with more knowledge about the legalities and ramifications have explained why his reasoning is flawed. Let me say that speaking to Bill Browder on the subject is a better idea. In his book he lays out clearly the corruption and mafia style manner in which this money was obtained. At a more basic level putin has utilised Western banking systems and the corruptible nature of humans to build up funds with which to harm Western democracies. Take the money now.

[@danspike6229]

I disagree with your assessment. Sanctions have no legal grounds based on the principle of laws but I fully understand your emotional justification. The challenge lies in the fact that there is no independent control on the issued sanctions. You assume that everybody listed is somehow guilty of war crimes but I can assure you that especially the US is using sanctions as a geopolitical weapon. Example: A friend of mine, bearing the same name as a Russian MP, but he is not Russian nor has he ever been there. Nevertheless, due to his name, all compliance systems go nuts on him and he struggles to prove his innocence. Why? Because the banks are so dam afraid of being in violation, that is is less risky to block a simple guy's account than to potentially have an issue with the US. Ever dealt with a Compliance department of a bank? They take weeks or months. Till then, no access to your account nor will your salary hit the account. From one day to the next you depend on your family and friends because you bear the same name as some Russian person. I would therefore be cautious with taking sanctions money as there will be people loosing their money without having anything to do with the war,. Go after the interest, that you can justify. Of course, you can argue that it is war times and these are collateral damages on the way. I just wanted to point out that, especially in this unprecedented landscape of sanctions, it is, unfortunately not just black and white.

[@formes2388]

@@danspike6229 It's not fair, it's not fun, but welcome to a reality of what we have. The banking system is antiquated - there are far better ways of managing it, but the cost of re-doing everything is... high: So, there is no incentive. The end result is what we see. To put it bluntly: There are ways to avoid the problem - but, why would the banks care? I mean - really. Could Banks wish for a proof of citizenship as apart of opening the account? Sure. Now you have Name + Nationality. You could further tack on something like an SSN/SIN number for unique identification - and, leverage Nationality + SIN/SSN or whatever identification number to differentiate. Now there is no problem with the US or any other govenrment for that matter as you can difinitively say that Person X is not associated with account X, as account X is owned by person Y who shares a name but nothing else with X. The only way a change is going to happen is if there is such backlash to problems caused that... regulations force the matter. And it CAN be done. But banks are old, and slow, and ever more increasingly focused on today's profits - instead of the customer experience.

[@bilgyno1]

Yes, let's also not forget that Russia has appropriated (either outright stolen or de facto) many assets from Western companies, including airplanes, factories, company operations etc.

[@jenkem4464]

@@danspike6229 I have a hard time believing your story. Smells like troll account.

[@jank6340]

“Was the cutting of the cable an accident or deliberate?” What an incredibly boring question. As if the Europeans were looking for an excuse to avoid facing the obvious.

[@SnorriTheLlama]

Well because the general person, myself included, doesn’t know a great deal about a) shipping and b) underwater infrastructure, it is actually useful to get a 101 lesson from people that do to be able to form a view.

[@luigiaqua2263]

Look on nato statutes and you find the answer, our politicians still do not realize that Russia is already at war with us.

[@FakkRazzia]

@SnorriTheLlama Well, even less clever and cowardly people like you and our politicians, without any knowledge should get the clue when it happens four F times ina few months with Chineese and Ruzzian ships dude. You do ALL you can to hide and cower like that coward you are.

[@mickearrow8035]

I saw a news debate, I think it was a Russia news tv channel. And one government official says they did this on purpose, in that interview. But yeah how know if that was just a lie again to confuse the west and/or Russia people. But if that is true, they are trying to push a response I guess. I think it is a good strategy, at least publicly not making a big deal of it. So Russia is forced to self confess about it, if they want to make big headlines 😅

[@knowahnosenothing4862]

No body drags an anchor in transit.

[@danl.909]

If it was sabotage, was that not an act of war?

[@simony2801]

Maybe, what do you want to do about it exactly.

[@chalsallbb]

I welcome this guy's insights. He clairly took notes before and was refering to them during the interview, but he knows what he is talking about.

[@zulustu8214]

Russia is an embarrassment..childish behaviour

[@veramae4098]

Accidental Czar: The Life and Lies of Vladimir Putin Nov 8, 2022 - This graphic novel biography chronicles Vladimir Putin's rise from a mid-level KGB officer to the autocratic leader of Russia. I bought it, read it, recommend it.

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

Here in India some of us think worse about UK.

[@jenjor123]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972that is your problem,now please go and kiss russian posteriors

[@rocketruss3405]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972you should go live in Russia. I’m sure that you will be treated well and will be happy there.

[@mustafa1name]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972 Which part of the UK, Salisbury? If the poisoner comes to YOUR country and attacks innocent people, perhaps they'll have a eureka moment

[@paulbrowne6087]

Slava Ukraine 🇮🇪🇺🇦

[@margaretreynolds4394]

Putin also talking about wanting to take Alaska back. No-one seems to by voicing opinion about that. Trump needs to be rattled about that. Putin invading a US state might upset maga. Glory to Ukraine. Get all those children back home.

[@GloriaHoulihan]

These ships are a threat to the environment.

[@Chris-ml3hw]

John Foreman always gives fantastic interviews. Very straight to the essence of the issue.

[@WilliamSaverino]

Sabotage no doubt about it. All under sea cables are carefully charted to prevent " accidental " damage.

[@fintux]

What kind of precedent does taking frozen russian assets to the international financial market indeed? A precedent that if you attack a peaceful sovereign country in a brutal, unprovoked war, then your assets are not safe. Why are we so afraid of setting that kind of precedent??

[@bluedistortions]

Because that sends a chill down America's spine

[@jamescobban857]

The Golden Rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.

[@markdsm-5157]

@@bluedistortions womp womp.

[@pootonscabinetchoicessuk]

precedent CONvicted felon trump

[@katk2819]

life is slowly being drained from putin

[@rainbowseeker5930]

His health has been deteriorating steadily for a couple of years , so he's in a hurry to achieve great conquests for Russia so as to be compared in the future to Peter The Great.

[@DrojanaleTorvic]

While Ukraine lost 20 percent of its land 😂😂😂

[@sukhmaidickoff]

@@DrojanaleTorvic And Russia lost 600,000 people

[@richiecooke69]

@@DrojanaleTorvic In the last Week Ukraine lost 0.01% of its land. At Russia's current pace a snail would (at 0.3mph) cross Ukraine in less time than the Russian army.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@DrojanaleTorvicgiggle like a child if it helps you cope.

[@equus3333]

Slava Ukraine

[@Georgy_NVRSK]

Slava c0caine!

[@marisabenson1222]

Heroyam Slava

[@GARDENER42]

@@Georgy_NVRSK It's clearly c0pium you're partaking of, not c0caine.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@Georgy_NVRSKsaliva putin. Saliva Wagner.

[@barbosaguzman6101]

​@@anthonyhulse1248relax old man.

[@Ancestor_Numero_Uno]

No more Mr. Nice Guy, Ivan.

[@59jm24]

It is not so much the anchor but the heavy anchor chain that does the damage, acting much like a saw.

[@tonyfranks9551]

Excellent....thank you.

[@Digmen1]

And I have seen maps of the Chinese ship that cut the cable of Taiwan. it goes round and round, not the sort of thing a merchant ship would normally do.

[@paularivero1878]

Great interview!!thank Times Radio❤

[@garyjennings5490]

An excellent interview by both interviewer and interviewee

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Russia is toast.

[@Scion3Sevens]

Russia is winning in Ukraine. Toast? I would say the EU response is toast.

[@thepenguinmafia]

@@Scion3Sevensstrange definition of winning.

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

​@@thepenguinmafia 200 billions USDs 50 countries technology weapons intelligence mercenaries sanctions and 3 years later begging for negotiations. Must be your definition of winning 👍👍

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

​@@thepenguinmafia you're winning so much that comments have to be deleted. I guess that is winning 😂

[@joewoodchuck3824]

@Scion3Sevens Haven't you seen all of the damage to Russia's oil production, fuel supplies, losses of tanks, meat grinder operations, logistics interruptions including railways, air fields and army camps, navy, etc? They're being strangled and obliterated. Russia is being weakened every day and has been on the decline for a long time. If they were ever able to take Ukraine at all they would have done so early on during the period that Putin professed would take only days or weeks when they were much stronger than they are now. Now it's almost three years and still haven't succeeded in their goal. Ukraine is being supported by 41 countries which have pledged a Ukraine win. They're obviously not in it to lose.

[@DavidGetling]

For as long as humanity, and indeed our closest relatives, has existed, the best deterrent has been the fear that others will do unto you as you have done to them.

[@wonkybomb1865]

When these ships have sketchy communication setups and usually always at least one shady character who refuses to identify themselves and isn’t part of the crew but likely Russian intelligence you don’t have to point your finger very hard. It’s time to stop sweeping these events under the rug and glossing over them and call them what they are which is an attack on our countries and our infrastructure.

[@Digmen1]

This guy is very good.

[@pouncepounce7417]

What is not said, Anchor do not work by just dropping them on the seafloor. There has to be enough chain on the ground and the ship has to maneuver right to set the anchor (make it dig in) so just dropping only the anchor to the ground and moving the ship it becomes a hook dragging on the floor. That has to be done deliberate, the chance that an anchor drops and just enough chain runs out that happens to be about the depth of the sea at that place is practical zero.

[@jtf2dan]

And now NATO can board all tankers coming out of russia and seize them if moving sanctioned goods!

[@rockbutcher]

Russia demanded that from Turkey in the Bosporus when it came to Ukrainian ships. What's good for the goose is good for the gander eh?

[@parkerracing7374]

​@@rockbutcher But Ukraine hasn't attacked any one.😮

[@SnorriTheLlama]

@@parkerracing7374Apart from Putin’s pride maybe

[@GARDENER42]

@@rockbutcher No Ukrainian ships operating & all those entering Ukrainian ports are properly insured & registered. Chalk & cheese.

[@rockbutcher]

@@GARDENER42 I don't think you grasp English as well as you think you do. I was talking about inspecting Russian ships coming out into the Baltic. Chalk and cheese.

[@ColinWatters]

Russia has been trying to survey the cables around the UK and Ireland in recent years.

[@tabithan2978]

Ireland is onto the Russians, and that huge embassy! 😂😂😂

[@pootonscabinetchoicessuk]

@@tabithan2978 trump will sell/declassify any info russia desires/demands

[@garydhaese7318]

God bless the Ukraine and her people.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Remember when people thought Russia couldn't possibly have sabotaged the gas pipeline to Germany?

[@whoisme678]

Too many accidents AREN'T accidents

[@absenttk4213]

I don’t know if that argument about the financials tags up. If you are a nation that depends on the international system for your finances, and then you decide to wage armed conflict against the majority of that system and it’s allies, then yes, it ought to be no surprise that the money you have in that system is forfeit. A large argument FOR internationalized economies is that it is supposed to discourage you from pursuing violent conflict with other groups in the same system, lest you lose your own assets in the system.

[@tigertiger1699]

Excellent interviewer🙏

[@wolfgangschwarzhaupt3010]

waking up finally how come?

[@mrb.5610]

EU had this really funny idea that Russia was a civilised country. Got that wrong.

[@2stoves1]

After the Society Union collapsed, many were hopeful that Russia could be draw into the international community as a cooperative, non-adversarial nation. Although I think it was clear early on that Russia would still be deeply corrupt and relations would still be frosty, it wasn't until more recently that it was clear just how adversarial and aggressive Russia was going to be towards the West. This is largely been the result of Putin's ego and grand ambition to restore Russia to it's for.er glory.

[@AndrewJacobson-cq2om]

It would be ashame if these ships that have been deliberately dropping there anchors entered a Torpedo testing area!!!

[@petervanwyngaard4788]

Could be arranged...

[@AndrewJacobson-cq2om]

@@petervanwyngaard4788 🤪🤪!!!

[@Bac4-qu6qg7sk4v]

considering the products they're carrying this may result in a bit of an environmental disaster though.

[@TheBritishCousin]

@@Bac4-qu6qg7sk4v loved your profile image 😂

[@michaelbeglan3685]

The Times Radio fantasists keep on giving.

[@wildshepherd5918]

They think they can do anything they want, lie about it, do it again and over and over.

[@egwthe1]

SOUNDS JUST LIKE TDUMP 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mattsantana7701]

Very helpful questions asked by the interviewer and analysis by your guest. Thank you

[@lloydsmith5679]

Trust in the system?????? Where is the 'hold them accountable' . The idea that ukraine doesn't have the right to that money as temptations is disgusting. People who parrot this deal should be ashamed of themselves.

[@miles1875]

Time to stop this!

[@TraciPearson-ok2tr]

Deep and insightful. Thank you for this.

[@rubylaser8601]

I hope this joint operation can become an international coalition. The problem is not limited to Baltic Sea. China just deliberately cut off Taiwan's undersea cables. Other nations may also be affected by same sabotage in the future.

[@kirkwootton1887]

As if using the $30B in Russian overseas money is a risk to the financial system. I say bull to that.

[@alexshapley8331]

very interesting and measured

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

Very interesting interview thank you

[@starcitizeno7]

Sooo hesitant; yet the blood and tears accumulate.

[@spencerclay]

very clear...4 times now!!

[@thebrentwoodbicyclist3220]

IDK how you can say it backfires? It doesn't take much forward thought to know that this would be the reaction from the Baltic nations and/or NATO. I think what you have to consider is that Putin probably knew this would be the response and it probably already has the follow up step in motion. We need to anticipate better and stop being one step behind.

[@pingpong_]

You can't drive an illegal car, but you can use a shadow fleet. 😂

[@bradleybaker8894]

Intriguing discussion

[@Kiltoonie]

Always enjoy your presentations Kate - even if I cannot spell your surname! You combine a lot of skills as a presenter and journalist - not least, that you are not annoying!

[@F3arlessWarriorMindset]

It must be an honest mistake that ships are cutting undersea cables that’s used by Western nations, despite the fact that all the suspected ships are operated by Russian and Chinese companies 😂😂😂

[@blinkybill2997]

I think the EU should provide more, quick and eff

[@blinkybill2997]

I think the EU must provide FAST and effective support to the Ukraine. After all, what they are doing will result in a safer Europe. STOP Talking and DO SOMETHING NOW!!!

[@bmunson4920]

‘What is the effect on the financial markets?’….yes, it is important that despots have secured access to their illicit funds. Question - where are they going to do their banking? North Korea? It’s not a ‘crisis’ - it’s an invasion. Don’t want your funds seized? Don’t invade other countries.

Even if it's an accident, there's still blame: these ships are barely maintained.

[@spaceodyssey7659]

Put these instances in a timeline context. Have these breaks happen before or all occurring during the Russian invasion?

[@nicholasroach3394]

For the people who watch this channel , he has done nothing but waffle like a typical diplomat , what we want to know is what will they do when confronted in the Baltic , simple or do we just continue to talk around it ?

[@MarcosElMalo2]

The Eagle S dragged the anchor for 60 nautical miles. The anchor’s flukes broke off. It’s not possible that the crew was unaware that the anchor was being dragged for hours. It would affect the performance and handling of the ship. This is very solid evidence that the act was intentional sabotage.

[@charleswillcock3235]

This chap could cure a drought.

[@oscarmora4602]

Informative

[@reverands571]

1 commercial vessel---cost of war, pretty cheap at that.

[@martlaas-ce8ir]

This ship was not found in territorial waters of Finland. It was approached by finnish military and ordered to move into location within their territorial waters where it was then bordered.

[@Crimeajewel-me3me]

I was in Transniestr in the past. Europe's North Korea stuck back in the 1970s.

[@Bootsystem66]

Typical British response. Ambivalence galore

[@jamestyler3449]

Stakes need to be raised, and bad actors need to know there will be consequences. If a ship is caught, it will either be boarded and impounded, or, if it runs away, it will be sunk. These are acts of piracy, we have to recognise these people are at war with us…so international law should allow for this to take place in territorial waters, EZ waters AND international waters.

[@peabase]

It _is_ piracy according to UNCLOS, but the difficulty is proving it. If pirates attack shipping off the Horn of Africa, there will be distress calls and all manner of direct evidence, but sabotage to undersea infrastructure it's much harder to prove. Territorial waters are covered, but in international waters -- including EEZs -- detaining a foreign ship is like making a citizen's arrest. Get it wrong and you'll find yourself in court facing charges of unlawful restraint.

[@marisabenson1222]

Everything hangs on all parties agreeing to the rules. We all know that at times rules are bent and skewed and the refs often look the other way or are bought. But when ine side has completely thrown out the rules that they previously agreed to and all who are charged with enforcing those rules are scared, then the victory goes to the side who lied and cheated and is unethical. Worse than that they turn those rules back on us and some of us believe that's the right thing to do. How can it be right when the end result is anarchy? Right now we are seeing the result of our response. Is it successful or is it making it worse?

[@jimg2850]

Not sure David Lammy would have wanted that widely quoted... 23:53

[@rdavidwebb]

Don't you mean all power lost

[@gzappa]

How do we know any of this is true? It is all he said she said.

[@southaustinukes]

The plural of incident is incidents. Incidences is the plural of incidence, which is a ratio. You want incident/ incidents, which is an event/ events.

[@darrenmoran3375]

Good talk show

[@jamescobban857]

Ships of the "Black Fleet" are aging and poorly maintained. They are a threat not only to infrastructure outside of territorial territorial waters, but also to the environment. How do they afford the marine insurance to cover these vessels. How about immobilizing the ships economically?

[@stevemawer848]

They don't afford the marine insurance, they go uninsured..

[@jamescobban857]

@stevemawer848 I am not permitted to drive my car without insurance. Why should a ship be permitted to operate without insurance. In particular why would it be permitted to enter a Harbour without insurance.

[@harrickvharrick3957]

This is not "counter sabotage".

[@SlideRulePirate]

Trump wants peace? Nah, ... Trump just wants to feel that he looks good.

[@Mike-zx1kx]

Let me see....hmm he said he wants to "take" Panama Canal, "make" Canada 51st US state, "buy or use force to take" Greenland from Denmark, last three original co founding NATO nations...I guess the "look good" quite a bit to late. The "feel" part must be related to being a unhinged dictator.

[@wendigo53]

Trump is a Putin employee.

[@egwthe1]

TDump only thinks of himself. He is agent orange to Putin.

[@AcmePotatoPackingPocatello]

Wow it seems like Vietnam

[@eagleeye9277]

when they sabotage these cables that carry electricity which carry thousands of volts ,do they have insulated anchors. seems a very risky act to do.

[@carinya18]

It should be a requirement that all ships transiting the baltic be formed up into convoys and escorted by the appropriate territorial navy

[@trevorroberts9584]

But surely, Putin is a strategic genius who wins at 3d chess. :):):)

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

NATOs strategic genius destroys an entire continent's economy and its politics for a proxy war 🤣🤣🤣

[@geofo60]

He falls more in the category of a poker player. It's all of that Botox that enables him to keep a straight face. Sooner or later he's going to be dealt the losing hand, then we'll see how his smug face deals with that.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972except it’s the ruble that is rubble.

[@koiguidenishikigoi4972]

@@anthonyhulse1248 do you work for VW ??

[@peabase]

@@koiguidenishikigoi4972 The only economy being destroyed here is Russia's -- by its own doing. The 3D pigeon chess master, who heads a gas station masquerading as a country, alienated its best customers.

[@anotherguy1331]

I still remember about 3 years ago, just after after Russia threatened both Sweden and Finland not to join Nato... Soon after Russia started their invasion in Ukraine and ever since all sorts of "incidents " has occurred in the baltic sea. Hmm strange 🤔

[@Georgy_NVRSK]

Are talking about blowing up of the Nord Stream pipelines?

[@allanbeltran4868]

thumbs up

[@ticnatz]

Trump will lose interest rather quickly. He will be bored by things he just doesn't really care about, or understand.

[@veganbutcherhackepeter]

Personally, I am hoping his main interest will be in playing golf for another 4 years.

[@HuskyOwner-bl1jf]

@@veganbutcherhackepeter He might as well play golf A lot of countries have laws against allowing convicted felons enter He's likely going to be sidelined in a lot of high level discussions and have to send a proxy

[@motopeter2409]

he doesnt seem to understand anything of this world. except how to mislead idiots.

[@peabase]

@@veganbutcherhackepeter You want the US to be a rudderless ship for 4 years. Oh..kay.

[@haroldinekochli2590]

Yes China aswell

[@mishaillich9728]

Great!. It is a paper tiger, just because it is a country with many inhabitants and many resources, but it is no longer a power.

[@grisall]

Is it normal for a ship to drag its anchor along the bottom when it's moving under power?

[@Frithonor]

Only when it's trying to sabotage undersea cables.

[@tealkerberus748]

No. It could theoretically happen in a really extreme typhoon - when both anchors and the engines at full power aren't enough all together to maintain position against the wind. But they don't get typhoons in the Baltic, so. This is absolutely not normal behaviour for a ship that isn't controlled by an enemy of the country using the undersea assets.

[@perryedwards4746]

Surely china letting themselves being seen to get involved would be madness!! I do not understand this...