Lister D - First Initial Run - After Rebuild

[@robmasterman]

But wrenching anticipation there Paul, another example of the skill and patience you have in abundance to logically work through each part of the process to eliminate the problem areas. Fascinating to watch, and I for one will put money on a successful outcome. On top of all this you manage to produce this excellent coverage of the whole event.....I bow to your superior talents...Bob

[@johnwood57]

Nice Paul,well you are nearly there,i do not know much about engines,but no doubt that you will reach perfection i have every faith in you..............John

[@dantaylor2208]

Good to see your still alive! Beautiful engine!

[@Bevoin1970]

@eatmypies Im still trying to grasp exactly whats happening. On the bottom end inside the crankcase, the Pushrods sit inside a half cup type thing, these cups follow the cam pushing up the rods. At the top end, the rod is dished if I remember rightly, and this fits like a ball and socket joint onto the rocker arm. Providing the tappets are set correctly, approx 10 thou inch, no way should they come out. Tie wire around the push roads and lower down inside the crankcase to position them :-)

[@marklockett2858]

ive got two of these to restore, one complete and one in bits in a crate. yours looks fantastic, nice paint. well done

[@Bevoin1970]

Thank you :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

@jannercornwall Oddly enough this whole job began with a Petrol leak, the Paint bubbled up, resulting in me scraping it off, which lead on to me stripping it down and doing what I did here. Im glad I did, like you say, do it once and do it proper, unlike the engines last owner who just slapped paint over everything slap dash like, restored he said! my arse! - Least I can look at this now and know in my heart that Im happy with it.... Thanks for the feedback. Paul :-)

[@cornishadz]

Have you got good earth between the mag and the mounting plate? There should be shiney metal but it does seem like the mag! You could also try taking the mag off and spinning it with a drill to help revive it? Cracking restoration though!!

[@Bevoin1970]

@cornishadz Yes good earth all over the place, even bolts beneath holding mag in place. Whats this about spinning in a drill all about? Never heard of doing that before. Thanks for the comments, Im chuffed with the results too. Got a new spark plug to bang in and try again the weekend when I have more time.

[@pwalpar]

Maybe its the timing Paul. Im no expert but wonder if there is a worn or wrong sized slot key in the shaft the flywheel is attached to.

[@Bevoin1970]

@Jobergg Everything seems as it should no obvious problems that I can see, today very briefly she ran normally as it should, I was overjoyed, but it didn't last long, so I know it has to be something very silly, but annoying. Its a trial and error process now, ticking things off as I go. I shall sort it out, and will make another video of it running properly. The story isn't over just yet!! :-)) Thanks for the advice.

[@jankotze1959]

Beautiful, I have the same one, this video make me decided to start mine this weekend, the only difference is mine have the radiator, well done, it is music in my ears

[@steamwally]

hmmm, something is definitly not quite right there. How did you set the timing, 10 degrees BTDC? Valve clearances should be 15 thou, I would try fitting a new condenser as they are known to play havock. Good luck! Phill.

[@multivan2001]

I think the most work is done, Paul. Only a few fine adjustments are left I think. Very good work. But the construction under the machine seems to be very instable :-) Greetings from Kiel Nils

[@Vos1995]

Very nice painted, Looks very good! I think you're right about the magneto.

[@steamwally]

Ok, how long have you had it running for, if it starts to struggle and then stops after about an hour that is classic coil failure, especialy if it won't start easily right away. Also, how soon are you switching over to paraffin? I recon it would be worth just running petrol for a bit.

[@jetstream454]

Lister D, very rare Hit & Miss model 😂 In serious I hope the problem is/was easily sorted, very nice example

[@007vauxhall]

I been looking forward to seeing the Lister after the rebuild. Cheers Paul :-)

[@Jobergg]

That engine is not running good, I hope you can find what it is. Are you sure it get enough with fuel? Or maybe it's a airleak! Please let us know what the problem was when you find it.

[@Bevoin1970]

No its not milk, its coolant as used in engineering machines such as Lathes, Milling machines and so on. You can buy it from off ebay, looks brown and oil like, then you pour a small amount into a bucket, and simply add water, it instantly turns milk coloured. Prevents rusting and is a lubricant too. Called "slurry" or "suds oil"

[@redryderaustralia4]

Great to see it running again, good job on the rebuild. Got to love the "diesel" comments, though, when there is clearly a Lucas magneto providing spark.

[@7784Patrick]

with one paf tchoufftchouff every 3 seconds it must be very economic i am sure that you will find the solution Paul great job of restauration have a good weekend my friend Pat

[@Bevoin1970]

@mrstuart143 Funnily today I can get it to fire just by spinning the flywheel by hand, but my fault means it wont stay running for very long. Im convinced its in the HT, Plug side of things. Very briefly it did run perfectly and as it should, no idea what I did, or what had changed to make that happen, but I haven't been able to replicate it since. Cracks in the points cover don't help matters neither. I know my timing is right too, hence the hand start by flywheel. Thanks for the advice

[@Bevoin1970]

Thank you, yes she is, I was quite pleased with myself after finishing this old girl.

[@Bevoin1970]

@steamwally During the time it ran perfectly for around 30 seconds, but then ran out of Petrol, as Im only using the small tank, not even tried it on Paraffin just yet, not until its running properly on Petrol at least. Hopefully the weekend when I have more time, I have a new Spark Plug to try in, so fingers crossed Im expecting better results. If that fails to make her run properly, then I really do think my Magneto or associated things need looking into. Exhaust hasn't got hot yet! - Thanks

[@closetdistiller]

Holy #$%. My heart was in my mouth when your shirt was dangling on that spinning shaft. That has caught more than the odd person and bad things happen.

[@Bevoin1970]

I know, never noticed myself at the time, as I was too engrossed in what I was doing...silly thing to do really. I learnt my lesson. :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

Over here in England, Lister D are one of the most common engines that come up for sale, just keep looking on ebay, you dont have to wait for long before you see one come up for sale, well thats the UK market. They are very easy to work on, and just keep going no matter what. Easy to store too come to that. Thanks for watching. :)

[@steamwally]

The engine should run for at least 1/2 an hour if that little starting tank is full, I wonder if your timing is wrong at 20 degrees BTDC, a friend of mine swears by setting all his engines to 10.

[@enginelover1]

Cheers Bevoin1970. Is she working good??

[@Bevoin1970]

@jannercornwall You know at the time, I wasn't aware of any of that, which is odd for me because Im an ex-toolmaker, so Im used to machinery and revolving parts etc. It was only when I watched the film back I saw what you saw, I gave myself a rollicking, trust me. I was frustrated by the engine not working 100per cent, I think. My problem was the condenser, soon as that was sorted out, everything ran fine after that. Im quite pleased with myself over this engine, it was tough going at times. THX

[@Bevoin1970]

@007vauxhall Me too, and now the bugger is being a bad boy. One of those silly faults that is very annoying to trace, but eventually It will be found one way or another and sorted out. I shall make another film of the engine running as it should soon as I get it sorted out, hopefully I will get it mobile too with some wheels, so I can move it around and on more solid ground. Thanks, but it aint over till the fat lady sings as they say... :-))

[@Bevoin1970]

@multivan2001 I see you like my work bench, flexible like trees in the wind.... ha ha Until I get the fine tuning sorted out, it makes for easy work whilst the engine is at a nice height to work on. Once Im happy with the running, then I shall take it off the bench and onto the floor. I have more room outside on the bench than I do in my shed. Thanks for the nice comments Nils, I shall continue to fix this little fault eventually, and post another video of it working properly. Hello Kiel :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

@ThePixelpoke You know your damn right there, whilst Im sat driving I dare say I shall have one of those "Light Bulb" moments when the Penny drops. Its only something silly, for a very brief moment today, not caught on camera, she ran at normal speed like she should, so I know Im not far away from sorting it out. thats why I suspect something on the spark / Magneto side of things. Thanks Matt

[@Bevoin1970]

@steamwally I have had moments of it running apparently ok after changing the Spark Plug, it could well be something on the magneto side of things, more investigation is needed. My timing is set to 20 degrees BTDC 10 degrees is for slower running so it seems. Tappets are around 15 thou, points 10 thou and everything checks ok. Only items I cant check without a direct swap are the condenser and the HT coil.

[@Bevoin1970]

@birdman404 I've calmed down since I began cranking this over, and discovered I can get it to start firing up just by spinning the flywheel by hand, so just goes to show you don't need to whiz it over at 100 mph. Only trouble is its not running properly just yet. Phew I was well knackered last Saturday after yanking my arms out cranking this... ha ha

[@thra5herxb12s]

I was waiting for it to start revving its nuts off so I could watch you chase it around the garden trying to hold it down. Sometimes I do have a warped sense of humor.

[@TruckingInTheUK]

She is sooooooooooooooo nearly there. At least it's running and sounds ok inbetween coughs. I'm sure you'll get it sorted soon. Looking very smart though. Ian PS Not sure if filling it with milk was a good idea though :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

@steamwally 20 Degrees is the correct factory setting according to the Lister book, 10 degrees is used by those on the rally scene who want their engines to run slower, either way my engine should run at least on either of those two settings, 10 or 20 degrees is just fine tuning in my book.

[@Bevoin1970]

@terence20001 I have spent hours over this during this weekend, I have set the points and the timing umpteen times, just to double check as you do. In one brief moment, she ran at speed and all normal like, then it ran out of Petrol. I couldn't replicate that result again. I will try another spark plug next, then begin looking at the Magneto. I know its only something silly somewhere, just a matter of finding it... Yes your right I wouldn't have anything to do if it ran perfect. Thanks Terence

[@Bevoin1970]

In the beginning, it was just the engine casting, easy to lift on and work at a comfortable height, then I added other bits and pieces as you do in the rebuild. I used to just throw a cover over it at night, thus leaving in situ. It finally took two of us to lift it down onto the floor. Yes they are indeed hefty lumps of iron...lol :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

@enginelover1 No not quite just yet, but she will soon... Thanks for asking :-)

[@Bevoin1970]

@pwalpar I know for sure it will be something very silly, through experience, just a matter of locating it through trial and error. Im quite sure its on the electrical side though, Spark Plug, Contact breaker points or Magneto. Thanks for the advice Walter.

[@AsloAso]

I wonder how much Hp & torque output this beauty of an engine?

[@lulu8332]

nice work sir...do you think this type would run well on woodgas? think it would be perfect to run a small generator on,, and thanks for making a honest video, showing that you did not get it going on the first 2 trys, many cut that out and thats a shame,,i have a very old 1920 2cylinder petrol boxer , it was mounted in a WW2 german army workshop truck running a leith and a gennerator,,havnt been running for 45 years no ignition. but mecanical fine

[@Bevoin1970]

@mrstuart143 I can spin the flywheel by hand and get it to begin firing up in a fashion, obviously its not running properly just yet, but proves the timing is set ok without any kicking back. It also proves that you need to crank it over at 100 mph like I was doing earlier on.

[@Bevoin1970]

@johnwood57 Thanks John, just a few teething troubles with the electrics, but trust me it will be sorted out one way or another or my name isn't Paul... :-)) You just keep watching this space. lol

[@Bevoin1970]

@hanomagman Yes I too think I may have either an intermittent spark at the Plug. I know for sure I have a cracked Points cover, seen two cracks, so maybe I have a short to earth there? without swapping it over for another Magneto its hard to say 100% Very briefly, and all of a sudden it ran perfectly, then ran out of fuel... Grrr :-)) I know it will be a very silly fault when I find it. I shall try a new spark plug next as my cheapest option, then consider the magneto after that. Thanks :-))

[@Bevoin1970]

Thank you for your comment, I purposely left in the fact that it didn't work straight away, and needed some fine tuning to get her to fire up. Thats what its all about in my opinion. No idea about running on wood-gas? this is a petrol / Paraffin style engine. Runs best on Petrol, but it works fine on TVO fuel or Kerosene so long as its working hard! otherwise it runs a little lumpy. :-)

[@Farmer2492]

They need to be running hot to work properly on kero

[@WidowUK]

i did a paint job on my old lister left the engine alone as it run ok. I did adjust valve clearances and made sure the grease was getting through ok. I have put a video on my account of it before & after. I have a few project on ans as read on here (Quote: i like to see them in working clothes) I have a few old atco mower still in there working clothes and used every year. I hope you get your lister running better, i would check plug & timing & maybe valve clearances, it is not far off it ran.

[@goldie103103]

Looks good Paul, Just been tickering with my Wolseley today, Probally do simular with that.

[@colinsalter3516]

Great job!

[@Bevoin1970]

@007vauxhall Its soluble oil commonly called "Slurry" or "Suds oil" if your in engineering. Its oil that is part mixed with water and used for cooling down cutting tools in engineering factories, Im using it because it will keep the inside the hopper rust free, simple but effective. Thanks for asking, bet you thought it was best Gold Top milk... ha ha :-))

[@Bevoin1970]

@aid2003 You keep watching this space Andy its guaranteed.... Thanks for watching. Paul :-)

[@007vauxhall]

Hi Paul, I was just wondering what that white stuff (like milk) you were pouring in? Paul .

[@Bevoin1970]

@slimmon2000 My brain hurts you know, all weekend I've tinkered & pondered as you do, and for a very brief moment, not caught on camera I might add, typical!, she ran perfectly then run out of Petrol just as I was getting excited. LOL I know its just a silly fault, just a case of finding it. The hard work is over now, but Im kinda glad all is not quite well just yet, means I can keep tinkering just a little bit longer.. :-) If you was on the edge, imagine me? You just keep watching Thanks Andy

[@Bevoin1970]

@MakeDoAndMend1 I've tried holding down the float, no change, I can get it flooded just by opening the mixture dial more turns, the plug gets wet so I know its getting fuel. The position its in now seems just right regarding fuel / air setting. Very briefly after I made this film, and for some unknown reason it ran perfectly today, at speed too, so I know its an intermittent kind of fault, saying that I haven't been able to replicate it since. Thanks for the comments and advice, much appreciated

[@TCPUDPATM]

Beautiful! I would google,but for the rest to see - is this a hit/miss type engine?

[@airedalepete]

'D' Type Listers always run like that when not under load. Stick a saw bench on it and it will run fine. We used to call them 'Tatset' engines because they run like "tat...tat...tat...set...set...tat...tat..." when not under load. Nice engine - have fun!

[@Bevoin1970]

Thanks - thats great :-)

[@tomosborne9992]

Should the exhaust and carb be the other way round to the fuel valve is right next to the spark plug ? That’s probably why it’s jumping so much as the fuel has to travel more to get the the plug

[@dantaylor2208]

How much do have into the engine? I've been looking for one, and none to be found

[@Bevoin1970]

They are still out there somewhere just keep looking.

[@JGprojects]

Looks great - But how on Earth did you get it up on that bench? They're heavy lumps, the D Type.

[@Bevoin1970]

Good luck in your search, hope you get what you want... :-)

[@antonywright9995]

Can I ask did you spray the mag silver or clean it up thanks

[@Bevoin1970]

Antony Wright just cleaned it up. It looked fairly good to begin with, so nothing major needed doing.

[@Bevoin1970]

Yes this engine is all sorted out now, and running beautifully, see later videos. This was just the initial start up, not very good I know, but we got there in the end..ha ha Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@Scaniabebe2010]

Just enough to power Nicole's little tricycle from when she was only about 3!lol Might struggle to move your Sprinter, but hook her up and have a try, do report back!;)

[@MrFasttrack1]

what was this engine used for?

[@Bevoin1970]

@7784Patrick Thanks Patrick, I certainly wont be using much fuel at this rate... ha ha

[@TheLaundryCentre]

I've got one of these, I got it when I was 3, it was last fired up when I was 8, now it's burred under junk :( Every time I see one running I want to get mine out, but I remember the crap and so I can't :(

[@AdammP]

the complimentary horn in the beginning haha

[@Bevoin1970]

I know..lol

[@007vauxhall]

@Bevoin1970 , Thanks for letting me know, It did look good enough to drink...haha :-) Thanks Paul

[@Bevoin1970]

No this isn't a Hit-n-Miss engine, just a regular 4 stroke Petrol engine.

[@steamwally]

ok, well best of luck!

[@gokmachine]

Shouldn't the enginge get more resistance? For instance to brake the wheel with a wooden block ore something. If it has to work harder the revs-regulator will get more in pace with its specs.

[@Bevoin1970]

Yes during normal working conditions.

[@gnukboating4398]

I was having similar issues with it firing, I cleaned contact areas in the Mag, I put the points open gap to 8thou, I then adjust the float on the pin so it's slightly above the notch (not clicked in) this raised the fuel level to help the engine pull it in, and if you have the 2 lines on your fuel mix, open it up anticlockwise to almost 1 whole turn so the line sits level with the sprung pin, mine won't start unless it's here and the lowest I can turn it is about 45 degrees clockwise from that start position, it struggles and stops if lower, best way to test is try pulling speed control up, if it dosent speed up quickly then mix is too lean.

[@Bevoin1970]

Thanks for the tips. I think once you suss out what makes your engine tick, your ok. Before all that its trial and error.

[@polsariuk]

hey there I have a TVO D with exactly the same issue did you work out what it was in the end? I'm bloomin stumped with my one.

[@Bevoin1970]

I simply adjusted the timing on mine

[@Farmer2492]

It could be spark pug sparks outside engine but when you put it back in it wont fire properly under compression, points gap to wide or not open enough cracked magneto cap

[@007richiep]

is that milk your putting in the head?

[@Bevoin1970]

I know, never realised at the time... Oops!

[@Bevoin1970]

@robmasterman My head has just swollen so big.. ha ha - your much too kind you know Mr Bob. I thank Thee. Yes a tad disappointing when she wouldn't fire up properly, I could have cheated and not filmed the outcome, but thats not me, nothing is perfect and a few teething troubles wont put me off, after all Im an engineer, trouble is never far away... ha ha Soon as I sort out my hiccup, I shall post a video of it running perfectly. Thanks for such wonderful feedback. Much appreciated as always.

[@TonyLing]

What is the milky looking stuff you were using as coolant ?

[@Bevoin1970]

Tony Ling I used to use engineers Coolant, "Slurry" same stuff you get in Lathes, Milling machines etc. Its a soluble oil mixed with water and turns milky. Because its oily natured, the cast iron won't rust up quite the same as just plain old water. Hope this helps.

[@benmarks2471]

Hey don't worry! You've got yourself a hit n miss Lister!!!!

[@patrickmaloney6440]

A Hit'n'misster?

[@cornishadz]

@Bevoin1970 The Drill myth sometimes works.. I had a dodgy mag on a Lister D which acted the same as yours so i swopped with another which a friend had and he put a drill on the old faulty one and being turned over at a high rpm returned the spark

[@michaelhenwood4046]

It's alive,haha.I love it.

[@Bevoin1970]

Quite a joyous moment for me at the time after being totally stripped down. I felt quite pleased with myself. Thanks for the comments. 😀

[@aid2003]

I am sure you will make her run..

[@shayclarke]

u give urself a heart attck man take it easy lol!!!

[@janner2121]

@Bevoin1970 A lot of people say that you can over restore an engine , but at the end of the day i like to see working clothes and highly polished examples, and it,s your engine and if your happy with it then thats all that matters

[@Bevoin1970]

@1958IanM Frustrating isn't it? - I could have cheated and not filmed it at all, but thats not my style, I think you should see it as it is, problems and all. Its only a fault on either the HT side magneto, condenser, or the Spark Plug, More investigating is required, trouble is I keep getting called out to bloody work.. Grrr Ha Ha. Your the first to mention the Milk, must admit I did laugh out at that one, really did tickle me. So observant Mr Ian. Its actually 'Suds Oil" soluble oil "Slurry"

[@mrstuart143]

one tip is don't strain yourself when trying to start it i find the longer you crank it the better.

[@quachtinhho]

Good video...i like

[@ВладимирСередин-с6ш]

Я так понял это одноцилиндровый маховичный мотор водяного охлаждения???

[@SoddingaboutSi]

Wow nice engine!

[@Bevoin1970]

Thanks Simon. Must admit I was quite pleased with myself after the effort I'd put in with this one. I have since sold her on.

[@SoddingaboutSi]

Supposed to be collecting an old engine next week if I had borrow a mates car and trailer. Watch this space!

[@mohammedarsalan7762]

Give this machine a cough syrup

[@MrSteamdan]

You wanna be carefull running it on that bench make sure its mounted on a trolley other wise its a dangerous heath and safety risk ..

[@Bevoin1970]

@Truck407 Thanks Boris, yes we have had some very nice sunny weather in england the last week or so, must be Global warming in action... :-)) Glad you enjoyed the video, something slightly different I think. Greetings to Russia Paul :-)

[@hukumchandyadav5235]

What is mix diesel? Pleas give me answer

[@Bevoin1970]

Hukumchand Yadav it is Petrol

[@enginelover1]

@Bevoin1970 Your welcome, I like asking to further my knowledge. LOL

[@Bevoin1970]

It only has around 1.5 HP

[@СтасБилюр-ш7т]

Интересно было бы глянуть ,как фудболку на маховик намотает!)))

[@indianchief741]

That shirt!!!!!! by that F'n key!!!!!

[@Bevoin1970]

I know... never realised at that time. i was too engrossed.

[@Bevoin1970]

@MrFasttrack1 Milking machines on Farms, Generators, water Pumps, all manor of things really that need some sort of mechanical power back in olden days...

[@davedraycott6938]

Whats the white liquid your putting in the hopper ?

[@Bevoin1970]

It was engineers coolant "Slurry" Its a water based oil used in keeping cutting tools cool on Milling machines, Lathes etc. It stopped my water hopper rusting back up due to the oily nature of the liquid.

[@davedraycott6938]

Aha thanks i had a guess it was something of that nature by the colour.

[@R5H4D0W]

If I ever have the chance of owning one of these beauties, I would... and seeing this video probably buy heavy duty saw horses to compensate for the vibration. Its a little bigger than I thought, meh... I wanted something like this as opposed to the briggs pull start on my leaf blower