Literally EVERY Borderlands Gun Manufacturer Explained (1, 2, TPS and 3)

[@harutakami1313]

Fun Fact: It's revealed through radio ads in BL3, S&S aren't just still around, they canonically make the glowing beacon lights that alert you to items in the overworld. It's not just a gameplay feature, it's lore!

[@ethancoatney727]

One of the things I like most about the Borderlands franchise is how much of what is considered "typical game play" (like respawning after ya get killed) is written into the lore.

[@martin_crakc786]

@@ethancoatney727 the respawn machines are part of the lore but its non cannon (according to the presequel)

[@voidfields5065]

@@martin_crakc786 dont forget 3 sense Roland dies

[@nicolaszanon3337]

@@voidfields5065 he forgot to pay his respawn machine universal subscription

[@nicolaszanon3337]

They now arent like S&S amunitions, they are S&S utilities or smth, they prob make stuff like (idk if real or not this stuff is) the vending machines template so anyone wanting a shop can use it, drawers and tables ,forks ,spoons ,knifes ,plates, stuff like that,

[@edenengland1883]

in BL2 you dont actually fund hyperion at all because youre buying your weapons from Marcus, who just gets his stock from bandits and vault hunters or are otherwise looting them from enemies

[@krackedbeats5947]

reeeeeeeeeeeeespawn-hyperion bl2, we funded them by dying

[@jrlin4180]

@@krackedbeats5947 successful one-life playthroughs are the only difference there

[@shaneallen1547]

@@krackedbeats5947 not Canon

[@cowjigga8950]

Yeah but that New-U station respawn sure as hell is finding Hyperion, that’s why the robot voice of the station in bl2 once said (not word for word but along the lines of) “we support vault hunters until they aren’t useful anymore”

[@MrRADicalOfficial]

@@krackedbeats5947 I thought Randy already said that the Hyperion New You stations weren't canon. Which makes sense because why would Jack keep letting you respawn when he wants you perma dead. Just in case you say "Oh they want the money", then why allow the Vault Hunter to keep respawning to kill Jack himself and the Warrior? It would only make sense up until you reach that point (sense he does want to kill you himself so respawning would allow you to reach him). Plus they are already rich as fuck and any money you make on the way could already be obtainable after he wiped all life on Pandora out, unless the Warrior burned everything. I thought the reasoning why they did that was because they thought it would be funny.

[@Iwashere991]

Mt theory with tediore is that you don't buy a $10k gun. You buy 10K $1 guns.

[@LFXGaming]

bro tediore think we got that GTA BACKPACK

[@carlosgarcia-pd4wq]

and if you think about it. repaer from overwatch used tediore.

[@LFXGaming]

@@carlosgarcia-pd4wqMr Torgue Hi Five Flexington in the overwatch universe confirmed?

[@theppotato1667]

@@LFXGaming as a Junkrat main, I approve of this message.

[@nicolaszanon3337]

Yea idk why in BL3 rhys and katagawa make fun of tediore cause all it takes is 1 purple smg reload after 1 shot to kill 99% of enemies, the 1% is just leveld up goliaths

[@highrulerdiamond6717]

S&S munitions are still around just that they rebranded as S&S accessories which they are the lore reason for all the customization items like heads skins and the light beams that come from the guns you see on the ground, they stopped making guns because of how easy it was for random people to just build their own massive capacity mags.

[@Septicshites]

yep

[@lazie7786]

like Vladof and Dahl's drum mag？

[@highrulerdiamond6717]

@@lazie7786 well those too but mostly people were just able to take several standard mags, slice them and practically stitch them together to make a one big mag, you actually notice this with bl2 bandit ARs that don't use the belt feed mag, it's literally two mags fused together

[@lazie7786]

yep, i still remember that, so interesting to me, just can't believe those bandit or scav can make those functional gun just use the scrap. *Innovation* ∠( ᐛ 」∠)＿

[@DMS_Knighted_Drifter]

@@highrulerdiamond6717 those bandit guns were manufactured at a captured s&s factory

[@DHKrieg]

You forgot Gearbox, which is an in game manufacturer with legendaries, too. Also, the Tediore reload is technically an issue. Their guns were meant to just instantly reload but they'd explode, so they just rebranded it as a feature.

[@ShawndaPrawn]

So it’s not a bug…

[@superscatboy]

Crazy that they couldn't solve the "gun explodes when reloaded" problem, but did solve the "create a gun out of thin air" problem.

[@orphankicker4384]

​@@superscatboyim assuming theres just a little digistruct machine you buy and its dedicated to digistructing only the gun cheaper than making it function ig

[@contentsdiffer5958]

@@superscatboy Not really, considering that you habitually create cars and robots out of thin air. Not to mention your clones after you kick the bucket. Digistructing is all very basic tech in their weird setting.

[@thewooddove2]

its weird that he skipped over Gearbox when it was on the wiki he was reciting down to the letter.

[@RavenDravenek]

Something about Jakobs that you didn’t mention is their “cask aged gunpowder” so that every round fired has that signature Jakobs smell. They also made a gun that shoots out swords, for when you want to stab someone, but they’re too far away

[@Chokah]

I wonder what kind of oak Wainwright prefers for his casks.

[@doomerboii730]

​@Chokah Applewood maybe

[@CorneliusTheWizardDog]

So they made a crossbow, lol

[@Leo.23232]

@@CorneliusTheWizardDog no

[@briarrose6442]

@@CorneliusTheWizardDog In Tina's DLC, there's a shotgun that shoots 3 swords that explode on impact, called swordsplosion

[@Chokah]

I always pictured Tediore as what you actually buy is a cheap portable digistruct system with one design hardwired into it When the gun leaves your hand it triggers a self-destruct and activates the digistruct module.

[@LFXGaming]

pretty sure thats the legit reason, i just love the idea they had of "okay so our weapons are terrible to shoot soooooooo what now" and that was their next idea

[@miciso666]

yeah its legit what it does. tediore even says any smuck can use them as all you need to do is press trigger to shoot. toss when out of ammo. and they even say only have 1 hand? u can still use a tediore :D

[@Chokah]

@@miciso666 "No thumbs required"

[@alejandroromagnoli9519]

​​@@Chokah "I can't hold my own child" Edit: dubbing isn't precise

[@5bars3g36]

Side note, Hyperion Sniper Rifles have a special unlisted mechanic where the longer you're scoped in, the more accuracy they gain, replacing the usual "gets more accurate as you fire". This change is reflected in the tags of the Hyperion snipers in 3, but not in 2 and TPS despite it being present.

[@PongWithBreakout]

That's no true, they state "Sustained fire and aiming down the sights increases accuracy", so it's reflected.

[@MrRADicalOfficial]

Apparently it's with all snipers Hyperion just does it faster.

[@chriscobb2102]

Some times you can get a hyperian gun with the affect added, it makes it more accurate quickly. Instead of 5 shots to 100 accurate to 2 shots for 100 accurate

[@darthplagueis13]

Minor note on BL1 Tediore: All of their legendary and pearlescent weapons have innate ammo regeneration. That's like the whole gimmick on all of them.

[@novatopaz9880]

I actually like Dahl in BL3, but that might also just be me really liking the military aesthetic and the ability to swap fire modes to basically turn my assault rifles into sniper rifles.

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

True, their long barrel lmgs feels good

[@GremlinSciences]

Dahl actually makes really good guns. They seem lackluster, but that's because they basically took over the role of Atlas from BL1, They've got all the accuracy of Hyperion and the firerate of Vladof with S&S magazine capacities and damage that frequently rivals old Torgue. I used to avoid Dahl because the damage is a bit lacking compared to Jackobs, but then I played as Moze and discovered just how powerful the guns really are.

[@chriscobb2102]

The legendary gun warlord drives me nuts tho lol, both cycles are burst only

[@bonogiamboni4830]

I hated dahl in the other games, i'm not usually a fan of burst (especially on something like a sniper rifle) and they didn't really have anything particular about them like vladof or hyperion. They were by far one of my favourite manufacturers in bl3, only matched by vladof. Going from "only burst and one optic" to "switch from full to burst or from burst to semi and also increase zoom" made them go from a useless gimmick brand to a swiss army knife with a blend of single target sniping thanks to the accuracy and damage, horde spray and pray thanks to the mag size and fire rate, all without compromising on the stuff i care about. I was playing as moze, which tbf probably loves dahl more than the others do due to her assault rifle synergy, but tbh i was more stoked to find the perfect purple dahl lmg than some random legendary.

[@whytho9987]

Some of there pistols are good

[@Codex_0613]

I've always think of Vladof as the "If you can't aim, then just shoot more bullets at the enemy. Statistically, one of them is bound to hit... eventually"

[@Xahnel]

Especially when you factor in that Vladof rocket launchers sometimes have free rockets.

[@sparrowfox6943]

It's like if Gaige's discord was turned into a whole gun manufacturer

[@aqwaoh]

If you through enough shit against a wall eventually they’re bound to stick

[@MrCheesyDipp]

Accuracy by volume

[@robertward5533]

For boarderlands 2 still prefer vladoff just slag em and dump a clio

[@Sora-md1ye]

When you think Tediore, you think of the people who made throwing an empty gun a viable combat method. You've definitely seen at least one action flick where a guy does it.

[@zefem]

John wick when hes out of bullets lol

[@chriscobb2102]

If you melee just after the gun leaves your hand you can infinite throw

[@stonewallalaska7566]

"Tediore, the HiPoint of Borderlands guns."

[@njmfff]

Well there's actual medieval manual telling you to unscrew the pommel of your sword and throw it at your opponent, so it's not the weirdest thing ever.

[@jacobwells9207]

Correction: Tediore didn't INTENTIONALLY create their unique reload. It came as an unfortunate defect after they experimented on newer, faster ways of reloading. Tediore couldn't fix it, so they marketed it as a "feature"--instead of "life-threatening"--added digistruct tech, and voila. Tediore's stock soared overnight

[@njmfff]

So basically, they should be renamed Bethesdiore?

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

@@njmfff "it just works"

[@Blackstonelegion]

One thing worth mentioning is that in Bl3 Torgue seemingly found a workaround for the whole "Laser=Not Explode" by making there laser gun also fire Micro Rockets thus creating the "Lasersploder"

[@BlazingShadowSword]

Torgue: LASERS CAN'T EXPLODE! Torgue to Torgue: YOU SKAG-LICKIN' B****! YOU JUST AIN'T F***IN' TRYIN' HARD ENOUGH! HAVE YOU TRIED ADDING MORE MOTHER F***IN' ROCKETS!?

[@thezambambo2184]

You'd think they'd just go with microwave beams instead of lasers considering microwaves can make something burst like an unfortunate bug under a timberland boot

[@Syndylon]

With Dahl and the burst fire fully auto thing, you can explain it as your character changing the firing mode whenever they aim down sights as most rifles are able to switch between fully auto and burst fire.

[@777BIGschott]

Part of why i loved the toggle feature in 3, because while i thought it was a cool gimmick in 2, sometimes i wanna dakka down range and sometimes i wanna plug 3 quick rounds at point blank range.

[@GremlinSciences]

It could also be an implementation similar to some machine pistols, where the stock holds the mechanism for the other firemode and the toggle. Pressure on the stock or the shifted grip engages the burst limiter or disengages the auto-sear.

[@777BIGschott]

@@GremlinSciences Thats actually really cool, i had no idea that was a thing! now to go down a rabbit hole of machine pistol facts and videos, lol

[@adrianblissett375]

I miss S&S manufacturer. I loved their Thanatos and Orion legendary weapons. Especially with a high fire rate or x2 variant.

[@Loderyod]

There is a rather well made mod for bl3 that replaces cov with s&s. Textures, names, legendary names, emails, even tweaks to reload animations!

[@MacaqueStinx]

@@Loderyod what's it called

[@Loderyod]

@@MacaqueStinx "SnS Manufacturer Replaces COV" on nexus mods

[@MacaqueStinx]

@@Loderyod sick thanks

[@l0sts0ul89]

Yeah S&S was always pretty cool

[@zuloph]

Tediore weapons don't "magically" teleport back to your hands. After you throw a Tediore gun a new one is digistructed in your hands. It's an established technology in the game. It's how Gaige uses Deathtrap in BL2 as another example of something being digistructed in universe.

[@Beefcream]

You get digistructed yourself when you die and respawn lol

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

I like to imagine Hyperions Pistols became their SMG‘s as their SMG‘s this time in 3 look very much like Machine Pistols

[@GremlinSciences]

The Hyperion pistols became both SMGs and shotguns. The BL3 Hyperion shotguns often end up being just slightly oversized pistols. Most likely, with Athena at the helm they decided to make their weapons more compatible with dual-wielding and off-hand use which then made their pistols redundant, that's my head canon anyway.

[@cybershoutmon9741]

I have a theory on why Hyperion doesn’t produce pistols anymore, since Athena took over Hyperion and decided to integrate her old Atlas tech shield into the weapons, the pistol cant fit it, or its too small, so they phased out pistols for the sake of the shield tech

[@Techhunter_Talon]

That's why Borderlands 3's Hyperion weapons have shields? Didn't know that.

[@saschahofmann2421]

I bet that Athena will find a way to create micro shilds that will fit on pistols. i mean, if COV found a way to take ammo from your black-hole pack then surely Hyperion would make mini shild generators for pistols.

[@douglasthequilava]

I just noticed: The Gearbox manufacturer brand isn't in this video for Borderlands 1. seriously, there ARE guns that are Gearbox branded in Borderlands 1, and I've used a small handful of them.

[@jeremycocciolone9223]

Dont forget the trio of white rarity at the start of bl2. But yeah, they probably arent considered given how there are so few gearbox guns that actually exist.

[@bruhgod123]

@@jeremycocciolone9223 those gearbox weapons in BL2 dont have the custom manufacturer

[@jeremycocciolone9223]

@@bruhgod123 they dont? Thought they were all gearbox too. Oh well. My bad then.

[@naenre21]

Jakobs is my favorite manufacturer just due to their motto from BL2. "If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs." They even say they're into home protection and a family!

[@sakura368]

it takes many more than one shot, even with a jaokbs

[@Praqueue]

​@@sakura368 Skill issue

[@ironbear7589]

Great video, love a concise explanation of the BL guns and their evolution. It always weirded me how in the Moze skill tree, there is a perk with a description that says, "if you want guidance, get a sherpa. If you want explosives, get a Vladof". No you dont! You want explosives, get a TORGUE!!! i would say.

[@Chokah]

Have to remember Moze was a Vladof soldier so it makes sense skill quote would prefer Vladof.

[@777BIGschott]

to be fair explosive moze builds are some of the most fun i've ever had in an fps, especially with the dual nuke build. nothing says victory like pressing two triggers and turning everything withing a half mile into a fine red mist. vladofs guns may not make explosions very well, but their bears do!

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

@@777BIGschott i mained moze when i played BL3. genuinely the most fun VH ive ever played as in a BL game. going dual miniguns with explosive bullets is figuratively a blast and even moreso literally. i lagged my game out so much everytime id fire and i loved every second of it.

[@iblameyandhi]

Did someone notice that COV guns have bl2 gun parts as their own gun parts? The gun at 28:17 uses the torgue barrel (or the barrel that we mostly see on the stinkpot) another AR that uses Hyperion / Maliwan Stock, and another AR that is right before the 28:17 AR that uses an "flamethrower" barrel that was in bl2 on e tech SMG's

[@Caddynars]

It would make sense. The guns use slapped together parts, so they no doubt built them from old, discarded firearms that no one used anymore because of new advances in firearms.

[@aspiringadonis1253]

I mean, kitbashing is a very real and very ugly thing, so when everyone goes all space and corpo I bet there will be a Renaissance in ugly ass chimera guns.

[@bigwoke5956]

31:05 in New Tales from the Borderlands, the Tediore CEO is talking to all gun manufacturers, including Wainright, Rhys, Torgue, Kategawa Sr. and Athena, i couldn't really figure out which company Athena owned, but the Hyperion shield theory makes sense

[@mistermann4163]

I think that the first Tales from the Borderlands hinted that Mr. Blake was gonna be the Hyperion CEO. And as EruptionFang went into detail about why it wouldn't work with her, Mr. Torgue, and to a extent Kategawa Sr.(model wise along with expecting the one sibling that Kategawa Jr. didn't kill) being the CEO's of those companies. That game was even more half assed than 3 with it's story and if anything most borderlands fans wish that it didn't exist with a recourse in it's story to feel more like 2 with it's balance of humor an seriousness.

[@JubioHDX]

@@mistermann4163 i wholeheartedly disagree the story in the first tales game is MILES head of borderlands 3. i can barely even make it through new playthroughs of 3 without just turning my brain off to the cutscenes and half the dialogue

[@sirkelendor5429]

​@@JubioHDXhes talking about tales2 not tales1

[@volpe7436]

As a long term jacobs fan i'm happy they have essentially stayed the same throughout the games

[@LFXGaming]

BIG IRON ON HIS HIP

[@volpe7436]

@@LFXGaming i unironiclly in real life practise gun tricks and quickdraw in my free time i indeed have a big iron on my hip "Special operations foxhound... Revolver *gun spinning* ocelot"

[@Jakepearl13]

CANT TOP PERFECTION BABY

[@dyllanhill109]

“IF IT TOOK MORE THAN ONE SHOT, it wasn’t a Jakobs 😉”

[@madmonty4761]

Is it because the owner of jacobs is significant in bl3

[@LilKardboard]

I've always seen the Dahl burst fire thing as there being a Toggle Fire (like in Cod) that your character flips Automatically themselves when you ads

[@LFXGaming]

honestly thats probabaly right, my brain doesnt work in that way though so i just think MAGIC!? instantly

[@M0D776]

@@LFXGaming nah, I like to believe that the sights have a retinal scanner incorporated, because "uuUUUUUUH TECHY HEHEH"

[@LilKardboard]

@@M0D776 That also is a good idea and probably what it actually is lol, I mean if we have weapons like The Infinity Pistol and Sandhawk Smg (Seriously how in THE HELL can bullets form a "Flapping" Pattern like that without being sentient lmfao) a retinal scanner for automatic fire method swapping doesn't seem so far fetched

[@Nirual86]

considering they changed it to modes you can switch directly in BL3, I'm sure it was a compromise in design in the older games. Would be awkward to have an extra key to remember just for one weapon manufacturer, but now half the weapons have some kind of mode toggle too.

[@777BIGschott]

@@Nirual86 from a game dev stand point that sounds pretty on the nose!

[@ZeroNeedsCoffee]

Am I really gonna watch a 45 minute video on borderlands 2 guns.... yes I am

[@aersla1731]

If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs.

[@bbqsauce890]

Counterpoint, Terramorphous

[@randomcanadianguy9740]

😂

[@fudgerounds91]

I want to compare each manufacturer to a real world company. Jakobs - Henry. Their dedication to levergats reminds me greatly of Jakobs. They also utilize wood and blued steel. They're also starting to make 9mm carbines. S&S - Glock. A smallish company that makes guns, among other things, especially things related to weapons, but not directly weapons. Glock has, in the past, made doorknobs, shower curtain rods, entrenching tools, knives, and the links to link ammunition for firing from a belt fed. They also currently produce firewood and horse semen. I may be writing this to share this fact. Vladof - The whole gamut of soviet arms designers. The USSR was quite weird with weapon manufacturing, with most of the weapons being made by state arsenals. The point was to arm as many soldiers as needed with simple weapons that could be easily trained on. During the Cold War, many of the soldiers that the USSR had were conscripts, and many of them came from villages with low literacy rates that lacked electricity and running water. A lot of them were effectively medieval peasants. Hyperion - Heckler and Koch. They produce high end, exceptionally reliable firearms that are overbuilt for combat zones. They utilize often unusual mechanisms, such as the roller delayed mechanism present in many of their long guns, but primarily the G3 and the MP5. The MP5 specifically is known to run like a sewing machine, with minimal recoil and impressive accuracy under full auto fire. They also make some insane, off the wall weapons, like the G11, which is designed to use caseless ammo and has an internal mechanism more comparable to a clock than a gun. Atlas - Wilson Combat. With Wilson Combat, we get into weapons that are more intended as luxury items and collector pieces, but are still not unreasonable to bring into combat. They utilize all sorts of hand fit parts and build their weapons to be as reliable as they are nice. They come with a price tag to match, however. Dahl - Sig Sauer. They produce some of the best weapons for the money. Highly reliable, usually somewhat modular, especially their more recent stuff, like the MCX, P365, and P320. They have won the contract for the M17 and M18 series of handguns for the US Army and Marine Corps respectively, and the XM7 rifle (previously the XM5, but was renamed as Colt has a trademark on M5) and the XM250 machine gun are promising, even if I think it's an uphill battle to replace the 5.56 as the standard infantry cartridge. I do think that the XM250 could replace the M249 in a lot of roles, as it's lighter. Maliwan - Kel Tec. Now, I'm not taking into consideration Kel Tec's reputation, but you can't deny they make some seriously innovative designs. The KSG is a pump shotgun which can cram a massive 14+1 rounds of 12ga into a barely above 26 inch package. The P3AT beat the LCP to the punch in practically microscopic .380s, and arguably beat the P365 to the ultra-compact concealed carry market by almost a decade, with the P9. That's just a few, but if anyone has anything to add, please do.

[@KeizerSosebee]

Torgue- AMTEC. World leaders in explosive round and grenade technology. Not recommended for civilian use.

[@costantinocarnevale3289]

I think that Tediore fits better with the role of the space Kel Tek(regarding all the memes about Kel Tek being in Florida), Maliwan could be FN, a manufacturer who takes great pride in their designs and strives to produce innovative technologies with an eye on quality

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

i was absolutely blown away when i heard that glock did goofy off the wall shit that had nothing to do with weapons.

[@fudgerounds91]

@@thefourthdymensionmusic I mean they were just a polymer injection molding company. Then they made knives and machine gun belt links, then pistols, then firewood, horse... batter... and more.

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

@@fudgerounds91 horse batter xD

[@aspid164]

I personally like Dahl weapons because they are pretty normal and convinient. They don't make your whole screen shake from explosions or create lasershow, sure, but sometimes simple fire mode switch is enough. Simple and effective

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

Got this in my recommended and hey, great quality man! Didn’t even know Athena was running Hyperion doesn’t really seem like she would but if it’s to give janey a better life I can see it. Tho holy crap that cutscene from the new tales game is so sad it’s literally just her pre sequel model

[@Loderyod]

Yeah, Athena running Hyperion is a bit of controversial topic since the only proof for that is New tales wich aren't (or rather aren't considered by the community) cannon

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

@@Loderyod I won’t consider it canon. Just like how legends is canon and there’s only 6 Star Wars movies. Only 6…

[@Loderyod]

@@pajamapantsjack5874 yep, exactly

[@Mojo1800]

I really hope they retcon the entirety of New Tales lol. So many bad decisions there.

[@RomanWasHere-]

14:39 I just remembered, at the end of the final boss fight, I made sure that the gun that delivered the final shot to Jack was a Hyperion Gun, like a gun you produced was the reason you died.

[@777BIGschott]

shoulda made sure it was a white rarity to really let it sting too, like it wasn't just a gun you made, but a shit one at that.

[@KeizerSosebee]

I used a jakobs because I was determined to end that bastard in one shot.

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

@@777BIGschott really get him in the ego where itll hurt the most.

[@invalid4205]

with hyperion being the bad guys in 2 it just makes it even funnier that the New-u are made and maintained by hyperion...and you pay money when you die...so yeah lol

[@GothicSnowLeopard]

A necessary evil

[@wesleyeberly228]

I think the stations are non-canon

[@djerk2138]

@@wesleyeberly228 na they r canon, in the echo logs for gaiges backstory, she kills one of her classmates with deathtrap and the classmate comes back to life through new u station. The explanation for roland permanently dying is just borderlands is a story marcus tells to orphans and marcus is just a rlly bad storyteller 🙃

[@BenYork-UBY]

"Thank you for attempting to overthrow us. We are making considerable profits from your numerous deaths" Yea, they deliberately keep bringing the Vault Hunters back out of corporate greed. Only making their deaths permanent when Jack want them to be, I.E: Roland

[@TheNwr1]

@@djerk2138 I always thought that the new-u’s work in the same way as the vita chambers in bioshock. If you die from physical trauma (you get shot too many times, in non-vital areas, or you fall off something high, etc.), it will revive you; if you’re dying from a disease or old age, or something, or are shot somewhere vital (like, heart or head), then you won’t be revived. So, you can assume that none of the playable characters get shot in the head or heart during the game: it’s not too much a stretch since lore-wise, injury is treated seriously. But Roland gets shot in the heart, which the new-u can’t fix, so he dies.

[@Roxas9b]

The Closest thing we got to a Hyperion Launcher after BL1 was the Ion Cannon from the casino DLC in BL3. Such a missed opportunity considering it even drops from a Hyperion enemy but end up being manufactured by Vladof. The funny thing about it too was that it was busted on release.

[@Chokah]

I wouldn't say it was really busted because all they did was make it take 4 ammo instead of 1 per shot. Not like they halved the damage at the same time or anything.

[@Samkonia4728]

Jakobs have the best slogan ever. "If it took more than one shot, you werent using a Jakobs"

[@49mozzer]

I heard the explosive reload in Tediore's weapon was actually a fault they couldn't fix so they rebranded it as a feature instead

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Reminded how the Echo 2 is a grenade mode in Borderlands 3 because of a problem where it'd just explode if you so much as looked at it funny. Also, one of the few unique Common rarity items in the series.

[@chriscobb2102]

The 2 separate features had the same hyperlink tag and it was not worth rewriting 2/3s of the game to fix

[@Techhunter_Talon]

@@chriscobb2102 Are we talking about lore here or the actual game code itself? Based on what the OP is saying there, it sounds like in lore that the reason why Tediore guns are thrown in BL2 and onward is because of a design flaw in the weapons themselves that the company couldn't be bothered to fix.

[@49mozzer]

@@chriscobb2102 I doubt that very much considering there is a whole animation for throwing the gun an then having a new one digitally reconstruct itself in you hands

[@chriscobb2102]

@@49mozzer you mean at e3 when it was dang near completely finished... wink

[@purplehaze2358]

In fairness, most guns you pick up in Borderlands are stolen goods taken from either storage or the corpses of your enemies. So like, 90% of the time, using Hyperion weaponry doesn't support Hyperion.

[@alexanderchon9058]

Also interesting fact about COV guns, you can see the BL2 weapons parts to nail the theme of these guns being cobbled together and somehow working. Some examples that I noticed being the BL2 DAHL barrel on the Sawbar, Hyperion sniper stock on the Rebound, and the TORGUE gyro-jet barrel on a random COV AR.

[@LFXGaming]

Honestly thats a really cool little addition that adds to the worldbuilding of how these guns are made, it also warms my heart to see the old BL2 weapon parts updated in the Unreal 4 engine

[@gabenplznerf1093]

My absolute favorite part about COV weapons is how many of them are assembled with parts from BL2 guns. Such a great idea.

[@ethanator8265]

The Hot Mama is also an elemental Jakobs gun in bl2

[@alexsheperd2060]

I love that the new Atlas is basically Rhys making a gun he could use. I also like that CoV actually made bandit guns look like something a bandit would make in their crazy ass state I’m glad they kept the same sorta weapon in wonderlands and I hope a similar “endless mag go brrr” style brand is in 4

[@codystevenson9648]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I like Dahk in bl3 the most. I like having control over my fire rate and optics and having a brand that's just conventional but consistent and reliable. I just wish Dahl could have made shotguns and launchers, a burst fire/auto/semi-auto fast-firing shotgun would kick ass and the launchers could be either highly-accurate, high-speed projectile recoilless rifles or rapid-fire MLRS with the alt-fire being an arcing mortar-fire style of firing pattern like the hail from bl2

[@LFXGaming]

i do like them in 3 its just i had such a specific brand image attached to them it was sad to see it change, nostalgia bait probably. also DAHL Rocket launchers in BL2, BURST FIRE ROCKET LAUNCHER WHAT

[@codystevenson9648]

@@LFXGaming that was another idea, Dahl rocket burst or the helix-style rotating rockets from 1

[@verriganholmes8054]

I know this is a year old, but I've got to say that it's actually not surprising that bandits were able to make huge complex magazines for Bandit/Scav guns after S&S pulled out of the weapons market. You've got to remember that while most of them have had their brains cooked from the Pandoran sun, a lot of bandits used to be really smart people like Tannis. A huge chunk of Pandora's bandit population were employees of Dahl or other manufacturers and probably had at least some military or engineering experience.

[@travismoore4411]

Watching your video really made me feel like Dahl should've gotten hyperion's shields in BL3 and Hyperion should have gotten a more laser feel to promote accuracy and potentially deal bonus shield/armor damage, that way their development in BL2 wouldn't feel wasted. But it doesn't fit lore as well.

[@gearsfan6669]

I just noticed that the water pistol is a Dhal one too with the COV cooldown animations

[@cyrusflores5147]

the borderlands series are some of the games of all time

[@Loderyod]

So true

[@shinra6913]

"if it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs" fave quote of all of the manufacturers. and part of why i love their guns.

[@distresslifeform6059]

Maybe the reason Hyperion only makes 3 types of guns in BL3 is because of the fall of Handsome Jack and the events of Tales. Jack grew the company to great lengths but in exchange for killing off the higher ups. Then after Tales I think the lost of the space station and staff the company hit a new low with money. By BL3 it could be assumed that the company is now getting back on its feet. But to save money they had to cut production down to only 3 types of weapons. Who knows, maybe by BL4 they will have more weapon types again

[@x0lopossum]

35:58 Oh my God that's beautiful, the cabal from the Destiny video game series would love torque weapons.

[@unknownbasic57]

My theory about bandit/scav weapons is that the bandits in Pandora have a select few who are smart bandits or idiot servants that make the weapons. In mine cart mischief Tannis says that some of the bandits used to be scientists who have gone mad over time. Those who used to be scientist now filled with bloodlust and a taste for blood made guns with more bullets to shoot people longer. Scav are well scavengers and I’m willing to bet most of them know their way around tech and some were very good at making guns despite being dumb.

[@insomnifur]

Im suprised you never really mentioned how from borderlands 1 to borderlands 2/tps, that jakobs went from slow firing, to incredible fast firing - often being faster then you could pull the trigger, i feel it made significant difference between the two, as it went from a slow firing, methodical playstyle, to a much faster paced, guns blazing sort of gun - i know this was likely to accommodate for borderlands 2's more intensive gun-play, but still worth a small mention

[@ncrtrooper7246]

10:53 you got possesed by the spirit of Mr Torgue

[@AndrePauloSGomes]

I have a theory. Have you noticed that all weapons of purple quality or below look a lot like the legendary ones? I believe they were all legendary at some point, but from the moment they were sold by manufacturers or stolen, they started to wear out and their parts started to have problems, so they started using spare parts from other manufacturers. So a white torgue pistol was a Harold at its best, but the bad guys started fixing them as best they could and learned over time how to reverse engineer them.

[@wildwilly356]

bruh imagine going from the best weapon in the game to white crap you sell to get something else

[@nathanielgarza9198]

In every borderlands game except 3 legendaries were just purple rarity gear with special effects It was like this in Borderlands 3 too until patches made a lot of legendaries do increased damage instead of actually fixing the damage scaling overall

[@RamenLlama]

First video I've seen of yours. Made me laugh out loud on multiple occassions. GG nice commentary, editing and personality.

[@StuartFknLil]

Never enjoyed how Daul guns felt until BL3. In BL3 they were my favorite line of weapons because they finally nailed that COD/Battlefield feeling of arcadey militaristic. I also enjoy the variety of different firing modes for them instead of the consistent full auto hip/burst ads.

[@waltlock8805]

You may not like Tediore, but Axton chucking them is the fastest way to kill most raid bosses.

[@Poison_Paradise]

no gearbox? time to redo the whole entire video!

[@LFXGaming]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuu..... but nah i wanted to only cover weapons available in every version of each game, ik the GOTY enhanced had them but in the end i decided not to, hope you can forgive me :o

[@sev2122]

@@LFXGaming Would the gearbox guns be interesting enough to go over in a short video?

[@brandonkoppes2950]

@@LFXGaming In the regular game you can find the Rider under New Haven that is a gearbox gun.

[@justdoitlater9507]

@@brandonkoppes2950 you can also get a gearbox weapon in the final circle of duty mission. the game once gave me a double anarchy with 71 accuracy, but still 4x200+ damage, which is pretty ridiculous.

[@comradecrimsonsmaidenporiu8766]

seeing how Gaige is the only character I've played to any real length I'm routinely tripped out watching people actually aiming their guns at things

[@dahat1992]

Dude, you're going to take off if you keep this quality up. And I'll be here for the ride. Just remember, take a lesson from Jontron and Internet Historian. People are willing to wait for quality. And we're willing to wait for you to do it without burnout. Keep at it, my man, I can't wait to see what you do next!

[@LFXGaming]

thank you man i really appreciate it! im working on something big rn taking my time so hopefully youll enjoy that!

[@thewooddove2]

Oh its so funny you mention internet historian now that his plagiarism is known and all of the videos in this series are so HEAVILY plagiarized as well

[@Blue_Water-fi7xu]

With the background music and you talking about the borderlands company’s is very calming

[@popipo1104]

It's said by lore that tediore guns are so cheap that when you fire a magazine they malfunction and explode, so you just get another one, and they are so cheap that they are basically free, that's why they "appear" on your hands, they are actually being digistructed, so you are getting a new weapon every time you reload

[@lukelyon1781]

Ngl, I didn't think I'd be as much of a Jakobs fan as I am. But goddamn do I love me some Jakobs. It's the main weapon type I carry. If I want elemental weapon types, I go either Tediore or Torgue. But I prefer Tediore. In BDL 2, when you throw the weapon and it explodes then teleports back to your hand it's SO useful. It's like basically getting a ton of free grenade damage with every reload. And if you have an elemental Tediore weapon(I had acid and slag) it just releases a huge cloud of elemental damage that can one-shot enemies at high levels. But my main love in these games is Jakobs. Gimme that high powered, one-shot-one-kill, in the palm of my hand any day.

[@Ang3lUki]

Tediore is seriously slept on, there's a reason Joltz used them in so many speedkills. I think they're meant to represent bad-value dollar store products, and budget cars that nickel and dime you with services and repairs. Something Americans are extremely familiar with. Did you know this business model is why so many McDonald's places have broken ice cream machines?

[@nathanielgarza9198]

In lore the reload thing was so cheaply done the gun would explode in your hands instead The basic premise in dev logs was suppose to be a weapon brand so bad your better off throwing it instead

[@thefourthdymensionmusic]

i have a sneaking suspicion that, in some cases, the "broken ice cream machine" thing is probably just employees deciding to turn it off so they dont have to make icecream. in any case, im sure they are poorly made, as i work in fast food myself and we constantly deal with broken equipment.

[@ceetw3lve898]

I can’t believe I recognized the background music from the start as that in the Motorstorm extras menu. That’s awesome.

[@LFXGaming]

Ayyyyye so cool to see someone recognising it! glad people still remember motorstorm

[@OlaftheGreat]

It took me until my 3rd Borderlands 3 playthrough to understand some of these changes...no Hyperion pistols? SO LAME.

[@doodadofdeath5673]

You find an Eacho from Marcus saying he gave the bandit's all the old S and S guns

[@robby6382]

The bl2 Dahl is kinda replicated in Destiny, there is a gun called the Suros Regime, which when you are hip firing, it is fast, when you ADS it is slower with more damage. Definitely not the same but I think it is the closest comparative?

[@theharvinator7935]

The stinger and bulldog in Valorant work identically to BL2 Dahl weapons

[@ProfessorForest-Ninja-qn6of]

A few things: - FIrst of all, Mr. Torgue is one of the best written characters in video games, just like Jack. But he's the exact opposite in the way that you love to hate Jack, you absolutely love Mr. Torgue just for who he is. He's a delight whenever he's on the vox, and my friends and I have been randomly meme-ing his lines for almost a decade. - Tediore's reload mechanic is due to digistruct technology. Essentially, it's pulling the bullets out of your digi-reserve just like you do with any other gun, but it also just creates the gun along with it. Your character can only physically have two guns on their person at a time, one in their hands and one on their back or holster. The other two are being held in digi-storage and registered to be constructed as your 1 of four choices. Tediore just took advantage of this universal digistruct useage and thought, "what's faster than loading in a new clip? just have a new gun appear! what do we do with the old gun? have it explode like a grenade! value added!" and that's why they're one of the best manufacturers for many play styles, especially extremely aggressive run-and-gun where you charge in like a maniac and don't think about the consequences. Next: - BL1 Atlas guns: mediocre stats and under-performs in any area that the other manufacturers specialize in. I've almost never come across anything better than an uncommon Atlas in the wild, and I have over 1,000 hours in the game. Even the unique weapons are pretty much side grades to more specialized manufacturers. This is a case where trying to be balanced means being the back of the pack. - Hyperion in BL2: Complete downgrade from BL1. In BL1 they were ultra precise. The best in terms of accuracy. Chef's Kiss. "My Hyperion." Just like the Atlas in-game, the lore does not reflect the actual performance. Just as Atlas has terrible stats of only a few percentage points better than the average in their rarity, BL2 Hyperion is crazy inaccurate until you've wasted half your clip. You'll waste so many bullets you'll think you've been doing a Vladoff only run, except you'll miss the majority of the shots. This means that you spend more time reloading, and more time firing at each enemy to actually put damage on the target. Completely counter-productive. And in terms of sniper rifles, what's the point of a sniper rifle that you have to fire off a few shots to tip the enemy off that they're being shot at before you actually make a head shot? By the time a Hyperion rifle is either scoped in long enough to stabilize or fired 3 quarters of it's clip to gain accuracy, a psycho is eating your brains. They also make rocket launchers, you forgot to put in the table. And it's also just a waste of rockets, having half of them go into the wild yonder before you hit a target. In short, Vladoff is the manufacturer that Hyperion wishes it could be. Starts out with fantastic accuracy, especially the snipers, and shoots middling elemental damage at high rate. And half the Vladoff guns I've come across are elemental. One of us either has great or terrible RNG.

[@thundercrash4775]

Point about Hyperion: Considering that Hyperion is known to be hyper-greedy (especially under Jack's leadership), I could see the justification being that if you waste half your ammo trying to hit something, then that just means you'll have to buy more ammo from them.

[@NxktaDikkah]

Man you forgot the gearbox manufacture in bl 1 ):

[@rdpruett88]

I was never fond of using sniper rifles in FPSs but when I started playing the Borderlands series, snipers have really grown on me. As far as my favorite company for sniper rifles, Dahl & Jakobs, especially BL3 absolute peak imo

[@LeftysRage]

Dahl in PreSequel: When the Lost Legion soldiers are killed their last words are usually "But we're the good guys". They are the good guys as your character helps the bad guy in main story. Get your facts straight.

[@InnocentAstroStation-gx2mm]

11:30 surprisingly in borderlands three they found out how to make lasers explode

[@pauliepizzo8633]

Dhal Malawian Valdof Cov Atlus And toruge are personally my manufacturers in the whole series

[@foxmcqwerty608]

fun fact about guns. it's easier to make full auto SMGs than it is to make semi-auto weapons. also fun fact, rifles are harder to make full auto due to how they need lock-up mechanisms just to contain the pressure. final fun-fact, it's not so much the magazines that are the hardest part to make for guns so much as it's the feeding mechanism required for them. for example, belt-feds. the gun needs to simultaneously cycle the bolt to keep firing but drag the belt through the gun in order to keep firing. magazines are actually easy in comparison. just need to make sure the spring pushes the bullets up hard enough so as to keep feeding the gun. it's the feeding mechanism that needs to ensure the gun not only can pick up a round but feeds it into the chamber effectively. lest your gun jam and/or explode. which makes the bandit SMG's PARTICULARLY ludicrous since i've seen those things take two mags for one barrel. how the hell does that thing not jam every other round let alone not explode?

[@JonGalaxyy]

Fun fact; In bl3 Torque actually makes a laser gun! The flavor text even references how they do not like lasers

[@cheeseeygamer2997]

I think a really cool thing is how you tell the size differences between thw manufacturers, especially in BL3. Atlas in BL1, Dahl, Hyperion, and Maliwan are all ridiculously large enough to occupy and invade worlds. Meanwhile S&S, Tediore, and Jakobs feel vastly smaller(Jakobs was small enough that Aurelia truly believed she could buy it) and even then Jakobs had enough money to set up operations on Gehenna and then bomb large parts of the planet. Even the companies size changing between games such as Hyperion growing smaller after BL2 and losing the rights to Atlas, and how that reflected by the types of weapons downsizing.

[@toastertech1181]

Honestly one good thing about the Borderlands series is it's combat gameplay and guns, also it has lot of content to use in ttrpgs when it comes to enemy/weapon ideas/concepts

[@blendpinexus1416]

that intro, man do i miss a well crafted intro. i like you

[@MrDj232]

10:51 I'm sure Mr Torgue Flexington appreciates you letting him take part in this video.

[@SnivyTries]

My reasoning for Dahl guns having that weird mechanic was that the guns had a fire select feature integrated into the stocks and grips. You press a stock against your shoulder (or grip your pistol with two hands), it changes fire modes.

[@aerothallji6514]

Mainly went to this video curious as to what S&S Munitions was ever since it didn’t seem to appear in any other game… so now I guess all the Bandit, Scav and COV weapons are essentially salvaged and improvised versions of the abandoned S&S weaponry mixed together with scraps bandits, scavs and the COV had scrounged up.

[@masonsullivan4853]

I remember borderlands 2 first came out, I was like 12. I remember thinking I’d was the pinnacle of all games, but could only get BL1 for a few months, and was dying to get BL2. When I finally got it, I played for days on end. (Literally, 5k hrs)

[@lemonmeister1974]

It's funny i was so young when i first hopped on 2 (or any borderlands game anyways) i HATED hyperion weapons and never even wanted to pick one up . Because they felt bad to me ? No , because HYPERION BAD.

[@Loderyod]

Kinda based

[@Gash_Kobeth]

I hated hyperion weapons because of that god awful accuracy. Except for shotguns, hyperion shotguns are usually pretty good.

[@LATAM_EQUINOX]

@@Gash_Kobeth until You get firerate+ perk of your character and achieve max accuracy in 0,5 secs on a pistol😎👍

[@shadowguy1057]

I've hated every Hyperion weapon in Bl3 except for their rapid-fire shotguns.

[@BioshockDrill]

@@Gash_Kobeth they have great accuracy lol what

[@gamesux420]

The tediore reload makes more sense with the everyman cheapo theme if you think about how its like a "consumerism dont bother fixing anything just throw your trash away" thing.

[@ronkledonkanusmoncher564]

Somebody’s probably already said this but Moze actually fought for Vladof Corporations private army in the Ursa Corps, a mechanized combat division. There she achieved the rank of Gunner First Class. She left with her iron bear mech after a suicide mission at Darzaran bay left her entire squad dead and her superiors assuming she has also been slaughtered. Also apparently her full name is Moserah Hayussinian Yan-Lun al-Amir Andreyevna, so yeah, maybe shortening it to Moze was a good idea.

[@MisterMoe0391]

There's something oddly satisfying about killing an enemy with a tediore reload. It's like a "Im out of bullets but not out of options" kinda thing

[@CYBERTRIBAL]

This is my weapons using code for Borderlands games: I never used Maliwan weapons(well, maybe occasionally), because I didn't like those elemental effects, even in non-Maliwan weapons. I used Tediore weapons only in B1, because they didn't had this stupid reload mechanism there. in B3 Dahl sniper rifles and pistols must have single fire mode, and assault rifles and smgs must have full auto mode( other mode is not important) In B3 Atlas weapons have three types of tagging projectile: darts, puck and grenade. I mainly used darts, because these were the fastest ones to reach target. When it comes to Vladof weapons in B3 I used mostly those with second barrell or stabiliser(this one specially in sniper rifles), because i didn't like that this underslung weapon is not reloadable, you had to wait for it's ammo to "regenerate". I think that rocket launchers are terribly underpowered in all Borderlands games. So these are the rules I was following in choosing weapons while playing each and every Borderlands game.

[@whytho8485]

I love that the cov weapons recyle parts from the borderlands 2 weapons in their builds

[@persomiissleepy]

Jacobs will ALWAYS be my favorite wepons. Shooting them just feels satisfying. Even more so when I'm playing as Nisha in pre-sequel. Because space cowboy YE HAW!!!

[@PizzaRatJC]

The "GET IT, THE MANUFACTURERS WERE HIGH, 420 BROOOO LIKE WEED, GET IT??? LILE GETTING HIGH?? SMOKING SOMETHING SOMETHING TO GET HIGH AND DESIGN GUN??????????" joke was really really funny the forst 43 tines, started to get a bit overused from 44 to 96 and after that i stopped noticing it completely

[@Field_Marshall704]

Tediore guns will forever be my favourite guns from borderlands 1 to borderlands 3

[@93lozfan]

Talking about bandit/scav weapons having massive magazines while forgetting that all bandits on pandora are engineers from the Dahl corporation that got stuck on pandora/elpis when Atlas scared Dahl into leaving.

[@the_dementor419x3]

I like ti think the reason DAHL guns in BL2/Presequel burst fire when you're ads is because the US military (at least during Vietnam) trained soldiers to burst or single fure thier full auto ARs for better accuracy and to conserve ammo, it just makes sense with DAHLs military aesthetic but thats just my headcannon

[@albushh]

Pov you don't even play borderlands but you watched the whole video because it's fuckin awesome

[@Bug_Bait]

An OP Tediore carried me through BL3, if you can believe it.

[@HarleySLA]

Maliwan was always my favorite. I loved them all in their own way, but maliwan just spoke to me. I only ever played Bl1 & BL2 though, so I don't know anything of the lore or what happened afterwards. I loved those games, back when I gamed. I'm an old man now.

[@njmfff]

In BD2 there's audio log where Jack is with his weapon's engineers having a meeting and he mocks Bandit weapons being used by psychos who can't even spell "gun" and he wants his weapons to have slick design so when you shoot with Hyperion weapons you think you're powerful. I think this is also the reason why Hyperion weapons have basically auto-aim bot, the idea being that they start bot-shooting your target so even the most unskilled person can make a shot and think he's badass.

[@mekhi425]

This video was such a breath of fresh air, It sounds really dumb, but It's super refreshing to hear someone actually curse on KZbin now, people always replace their curses with some obnoxious sound effect or an ear splitting beep lol

[@LFXGaming]

yeah i hate that too, hopefully i can keep my content the way i want without any hassle from YT

[@arceuspower1018]

I think it could be because some bandits in 2 are canonically the Dahl miners that got stranded, so some probably just started making weapons and joining bandit camps and supplying them

[@lazyporcupine2360]

Getting a gun that shoots a sword that explodes into grenades is kind of a plus. I love these games.

[@LFXGaming]

the swordsplosion is possibly the best idea of a gun ive seen, i would wanna be in whatever kind of drunken board room meeting that was invented in, "yo so you know explosions are cool or whatever but like EXPLODING SWORDS, now THAT is something i can get behind"