Literally the WORST Trope Ever

I’m so over this romance trope.

[@localplaguenurse]

The trope is called webtoon

[@meaningpeace]

Omg why is that true?! And you read Webtoons too?!? what are your favs??

[@user-KNP13]

Sturgeon's Law

[@localplaguenurse]

@@meaningpeace I haven't actually read anything on webtoon in a while, but I used to read let's play and lore olympus pretty regularly (I know, I know). Your joke about how the girl is like ALWAYS 5ft reminded me of how in LO, literally all of the girls are like half the size of the men. The heights have always been pretty inconsistent but I remember how friggin SHORT they kept making Persephone compared to Hades, literally like a child.

[@nyxcharliechaos]

@@localplaguenurse I get what point you were making and I'm just gonna be blunt cause idk how else to say it but saying that someone looks like a child is infantilizing, idk I'm 5'1 and get mistaken for a kid a lot and it's just annoying, but yeah I get the point, it's odd how often you'll have a 5ft protagonist with a 6'7 dude every time, like I personally like height differences but it's so constant and extreme with webtoon comics, especially the ones with anime-esque art styles, and I get exaggerating height is a thing but I feel like the more realistic an art style is the less that works, idk sorry if I seemed rude dude, have a good day

[@localplaguenurse]

@@nyxcharliechaos No I get that 100%. I don't know how familiar you are with LO, but it has a problem with consistently making the height differences between male and female characters comedically large. Persephone specifically gets it the worst because genuinely, when she's not drawn with her boobs semi visible, she almost looks like an actual child sometimes. It doesn't help that for most of the first half of the story, she's 19 years old. (In which case I guess that's intentional? But it's still not great considering a lot of the major story arcs.) Like with all the other women, they're short, but you never doubt that they're adults. I've never looked at Hera or Aphrodite and thought "you look like a child" like I have with Persephone. I don't know if this problem gets better in more recent chapters because I'm not up to date, but that's a pretty common criticism of the series.

[@brumptychipmunksey361]

You forgot the part where Jane wears glasses and is therefore, automatically, not one of the “popular people.”

[@flaxyus996]

And then she takes them off and... poof!! She's the most attractive in the whole school

[@YouWillBeFound_506]

@@flaxyus996 i was literally about to say this lol 😂

[@jonal5126]

​@@flaxyus996 i'm glad Cloudy with a chance of meatballs did the opposite of this

[@Noonas_admirer]

Take it a step further and the ML will force her to wear glasses around other people so they don’t notice how attractive she is without them 🤡

[@MrKyogreOfTheSeas]

@@jonal5126 same here

[@aaronimp4966]

The way I see it, the trope has three main problems; 1. The writers don't examine the characters deep enough and end up writing the archetype itself instead of developing fleshed-out characters. 2. It's been done to death. Any trope that is done to death with this many moving parts tends to get so stale after the 200th time. 3. Most people are not either womanizing douchebags or passive, overlooked flowers waiting to bloom. When a 'type appears more often in fiction than in reality, it _should_ be because of that type has extra narrative potential. For instance, the noble yet naive hero with a glaring character flaw but courageous heart keeps occurring because he's a natural candidate for adventure stories--he just fits. The archetypes in this trope have no such advantage in narrative potential, and are only recurring because of writers who either haven't taken off their training wheels and are stuck in "imitation" mode, or stuck behind publishers who think readers like it cliche'.

[@meaningpeace]

This is so well written and I couldn’t agree more. I love romance, but stories like these makes me realize how very important the plot, characters and world building are. No one cares about two unlikeable people falling in love.

[@aaronimp4966]

@@meaningpeace Thank you! Writing is one of my favorite topics. I don't read a lot of romance, and poorly thought out cliches are a major part of why. So, I very much get where you're coming from. My least favorite trope is the "We could solve this entire drama with, like, one adult conversation, but I don't wanna do that, so I'm just gonna pine away in jealousy, fear and insecurity for 300 pages instead" pattern.

[@AnimateTheArts]

Love this

[@plvmbvm513]

​​@@aaronimp4966 lol true like every webtoon being like "this person I like walks into the room at the perfectly wrong time to overhear a conversation, and then they take it out of context, get sad/angry/whatever and run out of the room; and this keeps going back and forth ad nauseum instead of anyone even once just asking 'hey, I overheard this conversation, did I misunderstand something?'"

[@aaronimp4966]

@@plvmbvm513 Cherry of Annoyance on top for when the S.O. notices the other leaving at the last second and calls out "IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK!"

[@rafyuu]

It’s giving majority of wattpad, webtoon or Netflix teen romcoms (also love the art style)

[@meaningpeace]

At this point, if I go on Wattpad or watch a Netflix teen movie I expect this type of trope. And thank you 💜

[@kiwi_2_official]

its giving skibidi skibidi skibidi skibidi skibidi skibidi cobson skibidi skibidi cobson skibidi cobson toilet

[@guineapiggames8208]

@@kiwi_2_officialthe brain rot got to them 😢

[@ILikeNarrowOne_Teddybears_404]

*anti child spray*

[@Vayne29]

WebNovel too, they wanted me to write shit like this when they offered me a contract, im like "DAWG I WRITE COSMIC HORROR WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU TAKING? DEFINITELY NOT MINE TO SEE THESE ABOMINATIONS OTHER THAN YOURSELVES!"

[@supersillyme]

plot twist, john is in love with joe!

[@meaningpeace]

That’s usually saved for the sequel 😭

[@creativelibertiesweretaken3366]

Now we’re talkin’!

[@mistycomet9760]

Now THAT, I'd read.

[@TheCheese-11]

Now it's getting good!

[@marchymeow4584]

Now that's better 😂

[@CrashIsHuge]

God you're so right, this trope sucks. Idk what it's called but it should be called "bad"

[@marcoz6281]

it's a love triangle created only because of jealousy: female character finds an interest, a jerk wants her ONLY because she found a possible match and now the two guys comprete for the girl edit: also the female protagonist is always extremely naive and child like but at the same time extremely sexualible

[@arbitrary_dumpster-fire]

i’monna dub it “the worst and most problematic love triangle ever”

[@prod_Stil_TH-GD]

This is one of the most chronically online opinions ever. "Oh yeah I don't like this thing therefore it should be *objectively* labelled as bad and nothing else!"

[@gloreeuhh-]

@@prod_Stil_TH-GDI mean the internet is for everyone to express whatever 😅 but ofc not evil

[@AmbiguouslyAnonymous]

I think the reason there isn't a name for this trope is because it's actually multiple tropes that are just popular to put together. Like, 'womanizing bad boy feels true love for the first time' + 'plain girl who struggles to attract boys' + 'innocent girl with a heart of gold' etc. etc. They're all really basic, barebones tropes that bad writers like to throw together because combining a bunch of them is an easier to way to make a story 'deep' or complex than writing actual substance is. It's easier for bad writers to made trope salad than it is to write original material.

[@meaningpeace]

Exactly, they just shove cliché after cliché into the plot and hope it works.

[@syedarizvi7290]

It's also so sexist because the girl is always this helpless damsel who can't help but be swept away by the events of the story without a thought in her head. Both boys fight over her like an object and it's like her consent isn't even necessary, she will just get the jerk by the end because he said so. It's very problematic. Cmon, girls are not dumb and we shouldn't treat them that way and we shouldn't be teaching boys that this is somehow appropriate because it's so not, it's an awful thing to do.

[@meaningpeace]

Seriously, I’ve never met another girl in my life that acts the way the protagonist does. And it’s even more disgusting that the mean/ bad boy always “wins”. Like no, you need to be single for a few years while you work through your issues.

[@hiddenflare6169]

Can't the trope be gender swapped tho?

[@user-zo9ce9jp1q]

Its terrible narratively don't get me wrong but its badness has nothing to do with sexism, for one only women authors write these types of stories, and its not teaching boys anything about romance because guys don't read these stories because these are wish fulfillment stories, and the secondary male lead legitimately competing with the other male lead for the girls attention does not appeal. Guys read and write the opposite where a bland guy is being lusted after by a bunch of women, has nothing to do with sexism, people are just lazy and want others to do all the work of making a relationship work for them.

[@KTheChristianArtist]

@@hiddenflare6169 It never does

[@hiddenflare6169]

@@KTheChristianArtist I've seen shows in 2000s use it. Like 'Friends' as an example.

[@abucket14]

I have to agree. The main problem is that the characters are written to fulfill the narrative conflict rather than being developed to have the plot happen naturally around them. Most times, we don't even get to know what caused them to grow apart nor how they even feel towards each other besides the bland statements they make to others on the subject. Id say the trope doesn't really have a name, at least not one known to me, but I think it's more endemic as a failure in writing one or both characters. If we knew their inner workings, were able to get attached to them and had how they both see the conflict and why they feel the way they do about it, then it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Great short, by the way. nice and to the point with some great drawings. Keep it up :D

[@meaningpeace]

Thank you for the encouragement! And i’d have to agree with you. So much lore be missing in these stories. The only time we get to know what’s in the characters hearts is when they’re either jealous or fawning over their crush. Neither are interesting long term.

[@abucket14]

@@meaningpeace taking your premise i'd say it would be at least a passable level of detail to add that "He was being a player to get her attention" or instead of the girl just being a wall flower, she actually just wasn't interested in the other guys, then New guy came along. because that at least gives the character agency beyond "he was the only other person to EVER talk to me"

[@sn0wcake]

this reminds me so much of that movie "kissing booth" or whatever except the male character was split in half

[@meaningpeace]

This is the movie I was thinking about while making this video 😭

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

Oh god, “The Kissing Booth” is terrible! I watched it with my family, thinking it would be bad in a funny way and we could laugh at it, but it was just too bad! My sister compared it negatively to eating slush off the ground at a dog park, which she had accidentally done earlier that day.

[@sn0wcake]

@@tsifirakiehl4250 word i can't stand it

[@Yanmay851]

@@tsifirakiehl4250 how did she accidentally do that

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

@Yanmay851 She tripped and fell on her face in a dog park, and her mouth happened to be open.

[@Wintor_My_Guy]

Every MSA video:

[@_Sofialine_]

Yup

[@Aisha-Nyxn]

OH YEA I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT CHANNEL!!! Man those stories began getting more and more cliche by the 2020s

[@_Sofialine_]

@@Aisha-Nyxn agree

[@ChupacabraRex]

I'd say that while no trope is inherently bad, they are just tools or outlines. the problem is that most of this characters are their trope and nothing more, which makes them intenly, boring.. Not to mention how incredibly oversaturaded this thingl. But, they clearly have a big market, the same way Self-Insert fanfics have(some good, most meh or bad), so it's not going to disappear anytime soon.

[@justaguy4311]

Trope is called bad writing. Cool video though

[@meaningpeace]

haha thank you 💜

[@sanecatlady]

Oh my god, I hate love triangles so much 😭 especially of this type. Honestly the story was kind of interesting to me until the childhood friend jerk suddenly develops feelings for the MC. It's always so predictable who's endgame and it's frustrating seeing the same thing happen over and over again. Why can't the MC just meet a cool dude and get over her childhood crush 😔 I almost hate love triangles more than insta-love and that's saying a lottttt

[@PRGME7]

I have more of a problem with the friends to lovers trope in general. I’ll keep it short. It devalues friendships by making them a stepping stone to a more superior/higher/deeper/more real form of relationship. I especially dislike the cocktail of friends to lovers and fake dating for the above reasons.

[@isamekailmahmud9302]

I don't know how to feels bout that really, I don't like star and Marco becoming romantic partners cause I feel like it wasn't really building to that but stories like this feel like they are so I don't mind it that much, and relationships like this change irl too so how do you make friends to lovers without devaluing the friendship cause that stuff happens irl too after all so it's a story that I think deserves to be told or will be told either way so I'd like to know how someone would tell it right. I really like the trope in a another show called good omens cause there was always a subtle under current of romance.

[@meaningpeace]

This video was actually going to be me ranking different tropes and giving my opinions. friends to lovers is either a hit or miss. If they hint at it early on and they grow to like one another that’s fine but I count that has a slowburn. Personally I didn’t like svtfoe depiction of friends to lovers.

[@PRGME7]

@@isamekailmahmud9302 I’m not the one who can answer that. I simply dislike the concept. Somebody who can see it from both sides might be able to answer your question better. Hopefully somebody like that finds this video and comment. But you do bring up good points.

[@Bookytowel]

Yeah, especially if it's a het ship, since it's removing the idea that a man and a woman can just be platonic friends. It it's mlm or wlw, I have less of a problem, but I'm still not really sure about it.

[@Faerytech]

@@Bookytowel It doesn't remove the idea or devalue friendship if there are literally other friends they have that are platonic. Do you really think people should never date their friends lmao?

[@yo_rukyy]

THIS!! + also the childhood bully boy mc x bullied girl mc then the girl is rlly hot when she's older now he feels bad, makes amends, n it's supposed to be an endearing trope Lol, shit just sucks 😂

[@meaningpeace]

I’m crying 😂😂 that trope is literally so whack 😭

[@PhoenixHeartCure]

I like some similar things to that IF it's one-sided, maybe with forming an actual friendship somewhere along the way (not that I can think of any great examples off the top of my head). If she returns his feelings and they actually end up together then no thank you

[@Amira-on-paws]

LITERALLY GACHA 2018 😭😭😭😭 ''

[@HidanoKyoku]

Bro I don't even consume romance and I was getting annoyed at it 😂

[@JP-1990]

I would like more stories where the MC looks back on their childhood best friend with fondness and we never see them again, but rather the best friend ends up serving as a light blueprint for what they like in a partner. In this case, it becomes more of a story about growing up and moving on. Which I think is extremely important to teach young people in romance stories.

[@zkme2734]

Robot Dreams

[@radishearts]

REALLL bad writing, one dimensional characters forced into tropes like these are an absolute recipe for DISASTER- anyways I absolutely adore ur artstyle and character designs !!! Super cute :DDD!!

[@meaningpeace]

I’m so happy I’m not the only one! And thank you for your kind words! It really made me smile 😊💜

[@DeathWolf88888]

Childhood besties, boy and girl. Both have sibling bond. Both go to high school together and both are absolutely terribly reckless people. They are menaces at school to students and teachers alike. Maybe they find romance (not with each other), maybe they don’t but they have dated classmates before. Never have gotten the “you two are such a cute couple” bs thrown at them. Maybe they look related or maybe they just absolutely have such sibling/cousin energy that no one even thinks it. They are both just as terrible as the other and together they amplify it. That’s all I got. Just let the childhood best friends be best friends

[@DeathWolf88888]

But to answer your question in the video… it’s annoying. I hate the trope as well. Like can we just have a story with friends being friends? Also just hot they make the girl and guy just very stereotypical. Like if someone bullies you, maybe we shouldn’t condone making them think it’s misplaced affection? Maybe it is. But if it is and they treat you like crap they don’t deserve you. Also not to mention the girl is “she’s so ugly” by like everyone at school but she’s drawn super conventionally attractive

[@isamekailmahmud9302]

the girl dosen't seem unlikeable though the guy does

[@meaningpeace]

The girl is never as bad as the guy but her coyness becomes a little tiring 😭

[@isamekailmahmud9302]

@@meaningpeace maybe Friend Versus Lover or The Gentleman or the Scoundrel trope?

[@Faerytech]

@@meaningpeace ew

[@PosiWritesStories]

As someone who's written for 10 years, I've grown averse to the idea of inherently bad tropes because I do honestly believe any trope can thrive with the right execution. This trope, though... while I'm sure the rule still applies, I have yet to see a good example of it if it's out there. Most of the time, stories like this treat the characters as their tropes and nothing more. Tropes are meant to be frameworks, NOT the story itself, which is the thing all writers should understand! Very good video overall, and your art is awesome! I'm glad KZbin recommended me this.

[@meaningpeace]

I completely agree, I love a good trope, but only when it’s “interesting story + great characters + classic trope”! And thank you so much for your kind words! 💜

[@Faerytech]

I agree, as a writer it wasn't my favorite take, especially the bit about how unlikeable the characters are, because it seemed to be chastity shaming, and like, if we're going to talk about slut shaming and the obsession with virginity we also have to talk about the pressure younger and younger women feel to be sexual and date, and how they're literally shamed if they don't develop an interest in romance right away, even if they don't end of being any of the completely valid sexualities like lesbian or asexual.

[@lachsthesalmon1441]

I have actually seen one story where this trope is executed well

[@MEGaRandomMea]

​@@FaerytechI don't see how the video is chasity shaming or such...

[@_kaleido]

not really related to the subject, but your art style is so cute-

[@meaningpeace]

Thank you for your kindness! 💜 I try my best!

[@sprites4ever482]

Plot twist: John gets angry around Joe because he's in the process of finding out that he's gay and has a crush on Joe.

[@imaqueen223]

The electric guitar sound when John was perfect was perfect

[@meaningpeace]

Yay! Glad you think so. I’m trying to audio more interesting and engaging in my videos!

[@freetoplayking7362]

The thing is, it could work if you play with it a bit. -The childhood friend could be like that for reasons that don't justify it but can grow out of it and become more self-aware without getting the girl. He could actually be protective, but it's rich coming from him. He could still be the same kid, just that he gains that bad reputation that the girl never noticed since she doesn't see the full picture (you can live your entire life with someone and still not know everything about them). -The girl could be desperate since she has no boys interested in her, oblivious to the point that it drives everyone that already knew her away except the new kid who never knew because he's new, naive since she only sees the good in people (not noticing the bad), self-absorbed (like the third example of the friend with her not seeing the full picture), or manipulative (she HAS been around that kid during childhood, she could pick some things up from him, *or* she's the where he picked that behaviour up from since he's so close to her). -The new kid could be socially stunted, so they need someone patient like the girl to understand everything. He could be an initial rival but quickly becomes friends with the childhood friend or at least finds common ground with them. He could pick up on what's going on and either bail, take advantage, or try to get everything aired to avoid possible tragedy. It could also work by seemingly making it like it's played straight, but in reality, it's anything but (like that's what it looks like to everyone else, so they spin that narrative because they assume it is, but it could cause harm since "Don’t assume, it makes an ASS out of U and ME!")

[@yuri-sama.questionmark]

I like your idea. I wanna add that maybe like the childhood friend guy can be unconsciously in love with his childhood friend, but he's scared of ruining the friendship they already have, so he goes to make a persona of being a womanizer to get those feelings off his mind. But once the new guy comes, he feels jealous, and conflicted as the feelings that he was so desperately pushing away, just comes crashing back at him. (That's so cliche and probably part of the trope that is being parody-ed in this video, but it kinda works)

[@freetoplayking7362]

@@yuri-sama.questionmark Or, it could be one of his very few healthy/stable relationships. It goes well till the new boy comes around, making him fear that it may cause them to drift further and possibly end the relationship. Due to this fear, he steps up his game, bending himself backwards to keep her around. However, by doing so, he's putting the relationship under strain, putting more effort than anybody is comfortable with, and pushing the limits of their boundaries when they're needed to keep the relationship functioning. In the end, either he realizes what he's doing is wrong and steps back, finally growing up, or it tragically ends in a self-fulfilling prophecy, either by destroying their relationship or poisoning it. Like ending up with her, but neither is happy, or not ending up with her but making her stop seeing the guy. However, he's become so used to controlling the situation that he can't stop out of paranoia, thus losing all stability or good health in their relationship.

[@hiddenflare6169]

I think I've seen this trope used a lot in like those 2000s shows. with the genders flipped or as is. It's actually a bit bothersome as it sets up a "if I can't have you then nobody can" type idea thats kinda uncomfortable, espicually when it's after the two have broken up at one point.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

"But she's like a ....sister to me!" That one killed me.

[@meaningpeace]

Omg I was funny 😭

[@14possumsinatrenchcoat]

god just you explaining the trope was making me want to click off and I had to remind myself so many times that this is NOT supporting it

[@meaningpeace]

You understand the garbage that is this trope then 😭😭

[@Tyler_Kenard2007]

i hate it when they make the girl a softie, sensitive, always needs her "super hot powerful bad boy" 😭🙏

[@vlindors]

HE’S THE ALPHA HE’S THE LEADER HE’S THE ONE TO TRUST ☝️🐺🐺🐺😫🤯👹👹

[@meaningpeace]

We own the night! 🤭

[@spicyramensnack4413]

For me I'd have to say that annoying one where someone bullies someone else while actually liking them, and their only excuse for the bullying is that "they liked them that's why they bullied that other guy". Like dude. That's hurting someone mentally just bcs you LIKE THEM??? WHAT KIND OF BS IS THAT? I hate that sm :|

[@jackattack5902]

What’s worse is it reinforces what abusers will try and claim too; if you got told your whole life that if someone hurts you, that just means they love you, then you’re more likely to stay in abusive relationships as that’s all you know So now abusers can point to stories like this and go “see? I’m not bad; I hurt you because I love you!” While they abuse you

[@JayRozie]

Sometimes, I want the girl to just end up with the 2nd male lead because at LEAST he treats her better and cares about her more than SOMEONE WHO SPENDS AN ENTIRE LIFE WITH HER would. (Just sometimes tho because 2nd lead can also be the same as 1st male lead)

[@BrowniePokemon]

exactly!! it's so frustrating that this trope is so common! the MC (main character) lady gets trapped in a- well, not really a love TRIANGLE, because it's more like a love CORNER! the romantic interest guys just bring out the *worst* in each other, and she's like "oh but they want to protect me ❤". like... miss main character girl... they are so toxic, you should find literally anyone else to pine over 😭

[@BrawlSnorlax]

and plot twist Jon is acully into Joe.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

I think this trope is called the Maiden and the Naive. Though it seems to be mixed with childhood friends... I think there is a less toxic version called the Lady and the Naive, where the female is more confident and mature and thus is more able to put the man in his place from the start. As a guy I am obviously not a fan of this trope, It's certainly not for me. Though it's inverse has some appeal, a shining knight and a femme fatale. Probably the most mainstream depiction of this relationship is Batman and Catwoman, though Batman's role as a shining knight is less readily apparent. Still overall "I can fix them" romances have SO many toxic elements...

[@CyberPunkBadGuy]

Ahh yes, the female is more confident and mature and thus put the man in his place from the start. don't see anything less toxic with that lol.

[@titandarknight2698]

@@CyberPunkBadGuy I mean I don't. If someone acts bad and talks over you, then its not toxic to put them in there place.

[@PineNeedle-Supreme]

Yeah I agree, it's kind of a shame, I'm a sucker for childhood friends to lovers, or childhood friends that drift apart then come back together and fall in love, and I do have a big soft spot for bad boys with a heart of gold, all of this is my bread and butter, my jam even But this specific set up, the love triangle, the womanizer, the sweet innocent uwu girl, that's just not it at all

[@meaningpeace]

I adore love triangles and friends to lovers, they spice up an already interesting story and dynamic. I just don’t like when the story is ONLY the trope. Also bad boys used to be my thing but I’ve grown to love sweet boys more 🥹🥹

[@charmander_god3693]

For realll I see this all the time when I’m reading and somehow my friend _still_ wonders how I can always predict the plot ;-;

[@Walleyedwosaik]

Y are all the best channels so tiny

[@meaningpeace]

Why are you so sweet?! 😭💜

[@0.-.0]

I LOOOOOVE the art style here. Black girls for ever

[@meaningpeace]

hehe 😊🤭 Thank you! 💜💜💜

[@FrostTalker]

You did so well on this! While watching, my brain was able to flip through the vast number of shows I’ve seen that use this trope 😭

[@Dinosaur-hd2ms]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT GIRL!! This is so true, we need more diverse romance tropes, my whole life I thought I hated romance genre's as a kid but no!! I just HATED this overused trope!! It’s so bad, this channel is so underrated, I just subbed!

[@Bak17-im2sx]

I am glad this video got some recognition your art style, story telling, animatic and chanel overall is sooooo underated

[@mey51]

I'm now waiting for the story to reveal that John's feelings are indeed a weird mix of protectiveness for Jane, and later down the line he realizes he's also physically attracted to Joe so he's also jealous of Jane not about her. // This is a joke, but I kind of like the idea.

[@coreragestudios3430]

Basically Every MSA Video Tropes in a Nutshell

[@mihaleben6051]

Help mom is getting the acummulator acid For reference, hydrochloric acid is higher than that. I dont know any bases. ... right? *NaCl* is a salt Salts are the mixture of an acid and a base. ... chlorine is a acid?

[@jingle1833]

I LOVEEEE your art style so muchh😭❤️

[@Doopen]

I LOVE how specific this is yet I completely get it HAHAH I love this video and you're so right!!! this trope is reallllyyy repetitive and I'm not a fan of it at all lol I love your artstyle!!! it's adorable!

[@meaningpeace]

Thank you! This made me smile 😊 💜

[@Maruchipawa]

This trope is bad omg

[@meaningpeace]

So bad. I had to make a video about it 😭

[@thevillager8339]

I in general have a distaste for love stories. They mostly bore me to tears, but this may also be because of how I view love

[@moon_on_pawzzzzzzzz]

Sayori and MC if the literature club didn't exist:

[@nicholasrodinos4701]

I personally hate the romance trope where the couple starts off genuinely hating each other and then suddenly they have feelings for each other. Or they just have feelings after like a nothing special reveal (like oh, he's a jerk because of his mommy issues) and then after he opened up I'm just supposed to ignore that they've been hostile towards each other for over an hour.

[@lemons2096]

And the best trope: ✨enemies to lovers✨

[@meaningpeace]

That’s a fact not an opinion

[@flavorgod]

In Japan it's the opposite. The girl becomes popular and the guy becomes a nobody.

[@A.certain.sketch.]

I HATE THESE TROPES SMMM! TBH tho I rlly like t all the boys I’ve loved before so idk if that’s the same as this trope, maybe a lil similar but idk😭

[@meaningpeace]

Peter was actually sweet and I believe it was fake dating. That movie is so good 😊😊😭

[@JesusLovesYouSM248]

Literally the kissing booth😭

[@ilikecats24-ct5nx]

Best friends is my favourite relationship type ever and i can never get over it, but it gets ruined by stuff like this when the characters are just stereotypes of their genders, the boy is confident, strong and stupid and the girl is small, shy and smart Gender stereotypes is one thing i abhore so much, and all these character traits need to work is just switching them between characters

[@rat-chan]

Oh wow i’m so surprised by how underrated your channel is :0 Your art is so cute and your voice is so therapeutic, definitely gonna subscribe ^_^ !

[@StarbitzTheSpookyClown]

And then John and Joe went together at the end.

[@daniellespencer5026]

I love your art style!

[@Klaevin]

these stories are made for women. that's why the woman is a blank slate : women can project themselves onto her. that's also why the boy is super attractive. also, mate choice copying comes in because it's a shortcut for writing attractiveness : "he is so great because other women want him so badly" he then always gives up the 20 other girls for the main character because a woman's fantasy is that a perfect man choses her over the 20 other women he _could_ be getting. it's lazy writing, but it gets'em wet every time. it also gets women to fork over money to read the crap.

[@asoggyflipflop]

Capitalizing on delusional horny people works lmao. Also as a woman (I don’t read these kinda books or do that stuff but still) I can confirm that it’s pretty much it tbh. Project onto the character, and feel wanted because ya don’t get it from anywhere else. Same thing happens with h3ntaı for men.

[@RenaissanceFairy]

This trope is so weird because I could never see a childhood family friend as a love interest? Personally that would feel like dating my cousin..😬I mean I'm sure it happens sometimes but I've never met anyone who ever dated a childhood friend.

[@Wertyber]

"I spy a married life" tweakin rn

[@theartalli]

Every time I see this trope I pull my hair out one strand at a time until I’m fully bald

[@jetayhernando1444]

The consequences Twilight has brought upon society will never be understated.

[@warrenbradford2597]

I, honestly, do not know what that trope is myself, but I am avoiding it like the plaque. I do not want my stories ruined by it, especially when start writing rom-coms myself. It's, honestly, more like cliche than it is a trope.

[@aspebb]

I hate love triangles so much. Doesn't matter if it's 2 girls/2 guys/3 girls/3 guys. I just hate them. Messy and uneeded plus 90% of the time you know who's getting picked.

[@spencernaugle]

Interesting. This video was randomly recommended to me, and I've never seen or read a story with this trope. Clearly we consume very different media.

[@Random_Person256]

How am I only noticing now that you have 258 subs you need more. +1 sub

[@meaningpeace]

You’re so kind, thank you 💜🥹

[@knuxuki1013]

I also really hate it when the characters are just so obviously stupid just for the sake of the plot to happen, then the story treats their thoughts as so simplistic and straightforward, what I mean is the 'there's no way I like her' who talks like that

[@Fourrandomidiots]

I love your art style! Also I agree, this trope is annoying

[@binnlol]

Bro described every 2019 Alpha and Omega Gacha Story ever😭

[@sour_soul8156]

Good job finishing the video!! Your video was clear and concise! I really enjoyed it, super entertaining and informative! ^^

[@zoainaiip]

A cool twist to this trope could be the guy growing to be the naive wall flower and the girl the popular player. Their could be some social comentary of sexism about how the guy is judge because he is a virgin and the girl is judge because she is consider a slut and they reconnect as something more because of the judgement of others. Still very predictible and barebone, but it sounds a little fresher. For it to truly work, the guy must be soft spoken and shy and the girl direcct and at times cold.

[@acidicrain3104]

Tbh there are worse tropes than this. Like Cheating, second chance, Age gap, Age Gap, AGE GAP…

[@meaningpeace]

Age gap is so weird. The appeal of the trope being that one of them (usually the man) is much older. Very strange.

[@Bronze_sushi]

I watched a video that was essentially this trope but at the end the girl and guy break up and fall in love with other people. They’re both happy separately

[@DizzyD00dles]

This is just the entirety of The Summer I Turned Pretty

[@wander7812]

This trope is what people who ships SasukeXHinata / UrarakaXBakugo have in their crazy little minds.

[@CowMalicious9479]

I love to write stories, and I got bored of this trope as well. So i made up my own version (Although i haven't gotten the chance to write it down yet. So far its just an idea) We have the sweet innocent girl, the bad boy and the player boy. The boys were fighting over the girl like always. But they have been fighting over her for so long that they got to know eachother really well. Little did they know, they started to grow feelings for eachother, and weren't very good at hiding it. The girl picked up on this and thought it was adorable. She never really had an interest in the two either way. And so, she started shipping them. Sometimes she would bring both of them on a date qt the same time. She did this so that the two would be in a romantic atmosphere together. And im sure you have an idea on what will happen next.

[@cheese__cake]

and then they kiss ok im just kidding, but i personally like this trope tbh. Bonus points if the girl just simply have a more platonic connection to the 2 rivals and becomes like, the wing-woman of the trope because i think that would be hilarious for me seeing how it would work xD

[@CowMalicious9479]

@@cheese__cake Omg yes! We have to have our trusty wing-woman! I have a feeling that a story like this would be a comedy romance lmao

[@Idkyetttt]

I HATE THIS TROPE AAAAA STOP I hate when the is such a jerk and ignores her but then he sees her forming a healthy and happy relationship with a different guy and he’s like “Uhm WTH??” ITS NOT CUTE it’s so toxic 😭😭

[@CMn3y]

I once read a book where the high school couple's parents had cheated on their spouses for each other (bf's mom with gf's dad) and the couple having to figure out a break up because the dad had threatened the knowledgeable bf to not tell the gf. The part that stuck out to me was when the dad called the gf and was like, "I'm having an affair." And I'm pretty sure she went, "Like a party?" IDK, thought I should share

[@deep_fried_eggroll8858]

Your artsyle is so cute :D

[@objectshowsrmylife]

literally that one dork diaries book i forgot the name of

[@vehicleunhandler]

bro i want characters with atleast a sum of awareness or growing to the world overtime more aware but still optimistic

[@outcast4087]

Now imagine the roles being reversed. I say that'd already feel fresh and more interesting.

[@sararasti4502]

This is very annoying because I’ve got something going on in my life like this but less serious, a girl likes me but idk if I like them back and so her friends keep chasing me so I have to resort to hiding in a the bathroom😅. And idk if the girl actually likes me or not and I’m depressed so if she doesn’t like me and has been playing a trick on me it’s probably gonna decrease my mental health than yeah.

[@Bbgily]

At this point i end up shipping the 2 boys.

[@snakesandcrows]

I'm writing a book and my trope is like this but more awesome (they're now partners in crime with no romance subplot and have a cat (Stultus) as their child. In the most recent chapter they committed a hit and run lmao).

[@x_lucidafton_x6330]

I think Jhon who firstly thought he was jelous of Joe, meets up with Jane was it? And they go on a date together, Jhone realized that they didn't click, while Joe seems to be more in sollitude and apprehensive about their date. Then one night Jane is gone, and both boys meet up to find her they go on a wacky nighttime search, a wild goose chase to find jane because they both think they like her. But as the night goes on they realize that they actually like eachother and not Jane. They find her at Alissa (The girl Jhon lead on and used) who jane is now dating. Jhone apologizes and stops his Fuck mission and decides to have a loving relationship with Joe. They go on double dates, jhone apollogizes to all the girls he hurt and they are happy and gay.

[@elladrawswell]

I love the angular style of your lineart! You should have more followers!

[@TheDropSiblings]

I think the only player x shy girl thing I would read would have to be a book that makes the shy girl an absolute menace and the player just this guy.

[@jileart3060]

noooo not the dramatic voice acting 😭

[@footlong7980]

The name of the trope is ✨"Twilight/Wattpad fanfiction Slop,"✨ where every writer, thinking they're appealing to the mind of the average young girl, tries to shoehorn the Twilight formula in their webtoon or webnovel because they don't have the skill to write anything of substance and want to appeal to what sells the most (or sold the most, In Twilight's case).

[@itzskye7074]

EXACTLY, I hate it :(

[@avadeady8682]

kissing booth in a nutshell

[@ohno3464]

I personally would like to see a male love interest who goes through a lot of relationships, not because he’s an asshole and a womanizer, but because he tries too hard to be a devoted, loving boyfriend from the start and as a result accidentally comes on too strong and scares his partners away.

[@titandarknight2698]

yandere ? Kinda similar just more exterem

[@Noone-qy8eh]

Can you please do a part two and make it short, i like the way you get straight to the point, i like how short it is, i think you have potential to be big someday

[@meaningpeace]

This was originally going to be a longer video of me giving my opinion on different tropes but I decided to make something shorter. If I cover tropes again it will most likely be something similar to the original idea. I am so happy that you enjoyed this video! 💜

[@laissilva4769]

The worst it's when the female lead is getting bullied and the """brother""" never does anything and, suddenly, he's like "oh, stop bullying my little sister" just because he's jealous

[@3m1r68]

this deserves a sub

[@meaningpeace]

I appreciate you! 💜

[@meatyman4803]

Happy that I have never encountered nor ever thought about using this trope

[@yaraterveer6364]

This reminds me of a manga a read once that I forgot the name of and really want to read again aah! It’s a bit different and I can’t remember it that well but you have like the two childhood best friends yeah? And then the guy I think is like a big rowdy and always catching frogs or whatever, and still is like this is high school. The girl tries to “fix” him (😐) and like tidies up his appearance which is very unlike him but because it’s what she wants he really plays into it and becomes the school prince. Everyone is swooning over him and here the girl gets jealous?? I may have completely remembered it wrong but it was something messy like that. Like yeah everyone is also kinda unlikeable for sure but like,,, I’m here for that though hahah. If anyone knows it or something similar please let me know 🫡 I’ve been searching far and wide

[@yaraterveer6364]

Brooo I’ve been searching this for so long and now 3 minutes after posting this comment I found it again 😭💀 It’s Mishounen Produce for anyone who was curious