LIV Golfers SPEAKING OUT After Latest OWGR Shocking News!

[@panamamcc]

LIV just doesn’t interest me at all and I don’t miss seeing any of the golfers that went to LIV.

[@drenklaf]

I agree. First there was the PGA and then LIV. Two different animals. So in years from now (or now) who's got a great record? Who's the GOAT? How would you rate the players since LIV? For decades there's been the records of those that played FOUR rounds in a tournament in order to accumulate statistics. How can you compare? BTW... one of the reasons some walked/ran over to the other league was that it gave them more "family time"! What a crock! Lets cut to the chase, it was the MONEY baby, it was the MONEY! Odd how the NBA, MLB, NFL players didn't ask for "bigger and lower hoops", fewer innings and whiffle balls, more downs and shorter fields. AND all asking for half the games! Sounds stupid!? Damn right it does. But it's okay with golf because GUARANTEED MONEY TALKS! But they don't have a legacy! Hahahahahaha FOOLS, SUCKERS, FLAKES! Who was better Sammy Snead or Mhil Phickleson? Yeah, that's right!

[@johnvillano3024]

Totally agree. LIV promotes mediocrity. They have guaranteed money. So they don’t care if they shoot a 99 or a 59. They are greedy baby losers. The PGA tour needs to grow some balls and tell them to kick rocks. You made your bed, now you have to lay in it. When the LIV tour completely falls apart, which it will. I would not let them rejoin the PGA tour. Go sell insurance. Screw them

[@philwhitehouse1907]

Aussies are extremely patriotic. Cam is simply coming home to support Aussie golf and visit family.

[@glennbrooks9347]

Even the guy from Ohio is heading over to play.

[@JasonWeir-p5t]

If course he's Australian.Liv golfer's from America ain't patriots.Money isn't everything in sports.🙂

[@calross7143]

OWGR is so irrelevant and any and all golf fans and followers know that...and it's just a PGA-affiliated ranking system The PGA is on the fast track to become just as irrelevant...just saying

[@asiajake]

These liv players took the money knowing that they will be banned for pga and European tour thus no ranking points.. They soon cry foul for not getting ranking points. Also, many of them say they want to play less yet they want or play more tournaments. Liv players you took the money you get to play less go drift away in the sunset.

[@getsome2506]

Did their Bank accounts drop? No. But did Rory loose another major to a LIV golfer recently? Yes.

[@NicholasYoung-un8go]

You clearly are not a golfer. And it’s “lose”.

[@FarnzworthIII]

Lose. Dumb dumb. Loose lol wow

[@Surfsaus]

OWGR rankings are irrelevent. Why even discuss them.

[@johnhope7359]

Only some LIV players said the attraction was fewer tournaments. DJ was certainly one of them and he has lived up to that. Many others still want to play more than LIV events, not just potentially for points, but also for the competitiveness within them. Bryson wanted to grow his KZbin profile and grow the game through that medium. He doesn't play other events. Again, only a few said they wanted to play less golf.

[@philipkingsworth6638]

Liv is it's own beast no need to mix leagues

[@williamhermann6635]

If Bryson isnt ranked in the top 10, then there's something wrong with the rankings.

[@drenklaf]

He's not playing by the same rules, you know, like four games per tourney vs three! Although those LIV guys probably haven't told their wives and girl friends that yet!

[@joenolan4917]

Cam is the man, i still liked him when he went to liv and totally get why a lot of aussies/international guys left. Hope they figure this shite out asap

[@drenklaf]

Why did they leave again! $$$ Never mind. Sold their souls, I get it. But sold themselves to murderers kinda puts a kink in it for me.

[@peterarmstrong6928]

No sympathy for LIV golfers 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@stevepierce1238]

OWGR is not relevant anymore. Cam is doing what Bryson is doing... push golf in your home country. As for the merger, I call this the Caitlin effect. The PGA knows the revenue of the gate is within reach so don't fritter away the opportunity like the WNBA. The merger will get done since reality has set in. The merger delay was for the PGA to acquire financial venture capital and redirect support among the players for the merger. Earlier Jay was in a weak position in dealing with PIF so needed time to enable him to hold better cards and get the key tour players in line. This will get done to avoid the Caitlin effect. The match in December with PGA vs LIV stars will open the door to finalizing an agreement. The PGA wants to see the ratings and quality of golf. The fans win in the end.

[@marcusbruce6389]

Livv isnt in any merger, merger is with PIF by applying to invest in USPGAT to US Govt, which they havent done yet. USPGAT has been waiting a year & PIF hasnt fronted up, they've told Livv employees like Normnn that Livv is staying on its own.

[@Greatwhiteshark67]

Cam Smith simply supporting his home tour. And they left the PGA tour because it’s an American tour and the best golfers should be playing globally.

[@tequalse]

The official World Golf Ranking is no longer a reliable source for ranking who the best golfers are. There needs to be an unbiased ranking system separate from all major leagues and entities. Or they can remove the word “World” from their title to be more accurate

[@robertwilliams2959]

Cam really wants to win his home open. Playing the lead up tournaments do two things. He is giving back to Australian golf along with increasing his LIV team footprint. Added to that more importantly is he is playing to get himself more comfortable with Australian conditions & give himself the best chance of getting his name on that Stonehaven Cup.

[@chxide55]

pga don't come to Australia, liv gives him and others the opportunity to play in oz more often. pga blacklisted oz agaes ago.

[@davidvickers2272]

It's the PGA's hypocritical blacklisting that is sinking their ship.

[@drenklaf]

Well, maybe if you guys were a little closer. Ever hear of a TV? Way better way to watch a game.

[@KenNewell-o1p]

My point of view is that the LIV golfers are adults and they knew the consequences of accepting the money to play on LiV tour that didn’t think it was important to make sure they played four rounds of golf each tourney to have abide by the World ranking bylaws. Its their fault and they should stop whining.

[@MrRamfired]

World rankings are a joke

[@nzmera1]

Cam is supporting Australian Golf.

[@leslydonovan9097]

What a hero

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

​@@leslydonovan9097I get your sarcasm but he is heroic for coming back to Australia to support our tour. He doesn't have to do it, he's not doing it for money but because he understands that he draws crowds in his home country.

[@michaelblack2334]

OWGR really means nothing these days. Golfers know who is the best

[@terryjenner2156]

either play infrequently for big money or play often for ranking. easy to say from my chair at home.

[@aagamez412]

If you’ve NEVER won on the PGA Tour, you have no business in the top 10 world Rankings sorry Tommy Fleetwood But the OWGR is a JOKE

[@ericjencson9489]

If you consistently rack up top 10 finishes, guess what? You are a top 10 golfer. It doesn't matter if you win or not.

[@wreckim]

So, how about shooting 87 on LIV and collecting $50K. What is that? My 60 year old buddies call that 'breaking 90 dude!'.

[@calross7143]

@@aagamez412 OWGR is a joke yes. But just on another point...if you only win PGA events in America...can you be the world's best golfer, or are you just the best PGA golfer playing in America...? That's why most say Jack or Tiger was the best ever. Maybe they were the best American golfers playing in American PGA, but go have a look at Gary Player's career and you will see he was the world's best ever, playing and winning the most, all over the world, over the longest time...

[@drenklaf]

@@ericjencson9489 In my foursome I'm ALWAYS in the top ten. Wait! What! Hey Rick, I'm in the top ten! YeeHaww!

[@Refflog]

After inflicting the WHS on uk golfers I’d be happy to see all golf governing bodies taken on by a rival group and get back to fair amateur golf, it’s like the welfare handicap system and promotes both cheating and mediocre golf.

[@kevinmcclainsr.2706]

When you are playing LIV Golf and getting paid whether you win or lose and whether you are a good player or not rankings don’t mean anything to you. Those players are making great money just for playing.

[@CHIEFS8214]

OMG, PRO PLAYERS PLAY FOR WORLD GOLF RANKING POINTS😱😱😱😱😱 I assumed 💲💲💲💲💲💲and winning was their motivation. How stupid of me🙄🤨

[@RamxRamx-fw3gm]

Must be nice. All these clothes these two are wearing, all free! Including clubs especially those new drivers. Maybe I’m hating, well see what their give back will be to the viewers

[@AussieBama]

Why be jealous

[@crazyluuk]

Which golf Social are you at filming this?

[@TheGolfPodcast]

West Nyack NY

[@markschulte-b4f]

Khashoggi

[@keviniwankow8294]

Ca$h Ola

[@johnturner9704]

The obvious Hypocrisy can’t be ignored by the media when a group of sportsmen choose to be in bed with primitive minded cruel exposed murderers simply for the money! What a message to the public, especially young people ? On the back of overpriced equipment and obscene costs now to play golf even at grass roots level when I began playing golf at a UK golf club it was £36 per year subscription! Golf has lots of potential but it will not include young players who might have become professionals if the present policies continue globally.

[@drenklaf]

Kinda reminds me of GOP maggats. First they say the orange faced baboon is evil, then Putin filters money their way and suddenly he's their hero. It's magic baby, it's magic!

[@michaelblack2334]

They could give LIV players reduced points due to 54 holes

[@drenklaf]

That's just stupid (sorry). What about the weather related scores on the "fourth" day or the narrowness of fairways or length of rough, length of course, grass type, etc.! My god, unless they're playing the same tournaments how on earth are we to determine a "fair" way to compare? Cannot be done in my opinion.

[@johnerichsen2708]

Words and actions take is a bit of a miss DJ said 'earn more/play less', which is exactly what he is doing. LIV events and majors, with the Saudi International making a 19 event schedule. Cam Smith said moving to LIV allowed him more time back in Australia, which he is taking advantage of. While back home he is playing in a few events and supporting his old tour. Consider it growing the game. He will play 23 events this year and 14 of them were 54 hole events. It's not a massive schedule, but Cam never actually said that playing less was his reason for the move

[@mitchell3306]

Fire the World Golf Rankings group and Make a new one. Fire them

[@malcolmdnew1433]

Just a view, its good to have rankings from tours world wide. But for LIV which is great to watch, its hard to expect rankings when only 54 holes are played. The top players attract audiences, no matter which platform they play, plus the shotgun start in LIV is great , it makes every player play their top game hole too hole since they do not know where they stand .Again its just my view

[@paulsamora1348]

No way, no how did all these players PGA and LIV think that this division would still be going. They all thought a coming together of both tours would have come together by now. Once again money is the route of all evil.

[@drenklaf]

"Root" (picky bugger aren't I?)

[@longballist]

The R&A and the PGA Tour needs to get over themselves! Hypocrites all! Let all these bozos ruin world golf. Asia has the most upside but western corporations don’t control that market. The Golf Channel, NBC, ABC and CBS broadcasts are so biased that we don’t watch, except for Majors(only with commentary turned off!

[@jacklbrt]

The Asian Tour is another avenue that LIV players have taken for OWGR points as well as the Japan Tour. I saw an article this morning regarding rumors that Greg Norman is going to be replaced as the LIV Tour CEO. He may be an obstacle to LIV making changes towards being able to be eligible for OWGR points due to his crusade to 'stick it' to the PGA Tour. Also, bear in mind that the U.S. Dept. Of Justice is involved in the negotiations between the Tour and LIV. That can't do anything but slow things down.

[@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656]

That rumor been around over and over since the beginning. I’ll believe it when I see it.

[@MrRamfired]

DOJ the most incompetent department in history they can’t figure out the difference between day and night

[@littlepocket-xc3fy]

They were all playing together before liv ?

[@thebigsweed1773]

Smaller schedule, 3 day events, no cut competition... If that's your thing then fine. Come play 4 day events where getting to day 3 is critical then gripe.😢😢

[@adrianrice354]

look at Cam's record even on LIV , he is not playing well , so report that too .. :) , All LIV golfers knew what they were doing when they moved so IMO , live with LIV , LOL

[@JasonWeir-p5t]

Cheaters and liars get their just desserts.Onty the truth prevails in life.A cheater never prospers living a lie.

[@larrylarry9278]

I think they should be kept out of all majors , let them create their own .

[@williamhermann6635]

Weak. These guys shouldnt be punished because the PGA is cheap.

[@Rob-v3q3q]

PGA tour last week was like watching 2nd rate golf with no big stars playing

[@williamhermann6635]

PGA did it to themselves.

[@drenklaf]

Still watch the PGA. Still cheer for "my guy". Ever go to a high school or college game? Why? Because it's "your team"! Sure it's not the NFL but it's "Your team"!

[@philipkingsworth6638]

Legacy is important to certain LIV players. Liv is fine on its own dont need to mix with pga

[@williamhermann6635]

@@philipkingsworth6638 Lets be honest here. They chose money over legacy.

[@chrisrobinson976]

OWGR is a joke and should be dropped by the majors. I also don't think there should be a merger between LIV and PGAT. LIV is so much better off on their own. Much better product for the fans.

[@marcusbruce6389]

Livv isnt in any merger, only PIF $$ being invested is, if US Govt. approves it first. OWGR have shown how important they are and arent a part of PIF losing over $60 millionUS each exhibition. Livv CEO, Rumyyan has told the employees like Normnn that Livv is being kept on its own, its not up to any Tour to save the failed scheme copied from Premier Golf Leagues website plan.

[@peterarmstrong6928]

What happens when you put money before thought 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@allenkinter4088]

After you sell out to the saudis why would you care? Just play for fun. Bet a lot of money to make it interesting. Buy an island and build a golf course. Maybe epstiens place is available now.

[@johnerichsen2708]

Thanks for filling the void in this discussion. This village is no longer missing its idiot...

[@marcusbruce6389]

PIF not complying with OWGR criterias for its Livv employees to be kept isolated isnt an accident... PIF employed them, and PIF runs Livv in having Rumyyan as CEO, Chairman, & Commissioner of Livv as well as CEO of PIF. No Tour anywhere has to change anything because a tiny few pros think rules dont apply to them. Players not complying with OWGR is on their own shoulders.

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

That would be a great argument if the OWGR didn't exempt so many PGA Tour events from the rules relating to the rankings points given in tournaments which don't comply, ie invitation only events with limited fields, no cuts etc.

[@marcusbruce6389]

@@CairnsMotorhomes The Tours that host those events comply, have for decades.

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

​@@marcusbruce6389 but the events don't comply😢

[@mitchell3306]

PGA Tour needs to step aside and let someone make up world ranking rules that pick the best players, not just hacks who happen to not play LIV. PGA is a crappy show to watch and I guess the only way they will learn is when people stop watching

[@davidvickers2272]

LIV should just make up their own ranking system. Major tournaments will either honor them or become obsolete.

[@drenklaf]

They already did.

[@charlesbond4413]

Why don’t you or some other group develop an unofficial world golf ranking of all leagues and all professional players. If your criteria is solid, people would pay attention. Just pretend the is no OWGR. It means absolutely nothing to me or the golfers I know. It is a dead rating. If a real ranking was unofficially developed, it would be embraced by most golfers.

[@randalltaylor8334]

They new what they were doing when they moved tours they new there would be conditions made against them so suck it up you got the money

[@Philipjoubert-w2l]

Hi guys..first id like to say I enjoy your podcast...you cant please everybody all the time but you do make quite a few valid points. The reason I'm sending this is not really to comment on the issues but to ask your opinion on something on my mind.. I recently watched the Queensland PGA competition played in Brisbane. and was quite annoyed at the media coverage ...not just the commentators but the TV coverage overall...and if possible ascertain your views on the subject. Ok..I was watching the TV coverage over the 4 days and was struck by the lack of coverage they afforded the winner Phoenix Campbell who won the event the previous year as an amateur and led the field for the first three days and virtually also the fourth day..less I think maybe one or two holes...yet the TV coverage on his playing was virtually minimal and no interviews after the first 3 days endings ...though other players were interviewed ... Well they had to interview him on the last day because he won...the point is why is the coverage so poor on this point...a friend of mine in the UK told me that what he did over the two years and leading the field like he did was some sort of serious record...if this is true I really question the medias coverage or lack of coverage ..I did ask Australian golf in a email but got no reply ...I dont blame them on that score as I was pretty sarcastic when I sent the email but I was soooo frustrated. I wonder ..if the aim is to promote golf is this the way the PGA should go? As an example I"m an avid fan of Formula One and watch the races every time...there they follow the first there cars routinely and also any developments in the fourth to 10th range and even cover the rest of the field continuously but always keep us aware of what the leaders are doing....two different sports but surely the golf media can do the same? Ok ..I know Cam Smith is very high on the world rankings and have no problem with him being interviewed but when the number one on the leader board is ignored the way he was beggars belief...is this good for golf? My question to you is ...given the scenario with PGA golf and LIV where would you suggest he goes if given the opportunity to do so? I ask out of interest due to your knowledge of the game as I have no way of contacting MR Campbell on his phone as I dont know it and he would no doubt perhaps not even take my call but I feel sad at the way he was treated overall.. until the end when they HAD to because he won... So yes ..what would be your advice be as to his direction in the future if you were him? Phil

[@keviniwankow8294]

LIV should get 3/4 points based on the days they compete end of problem PGA 100% points.

[@doncrist2012]

They all left the pga for the money. More money and less time playing, win win. They all can make enough money in two or three yrs to retire in decent style and get some other job .

[@CairnsMotorhomes]

Get some other job! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ricksargeant]

WHO GIVES A ____

[@glennroddy16]

Liv needs to claim that their player is number one and rate their players loud and clear. No one could 100% deny it. Jon Ron is the number #1 player in the world and everyone knows it. PGA is obsolete.

[@danjohnson6292]

These LIV guys need to stop crying. They opted for money not status.

[@williammacdonald9271]

Liv format is silly, the players who left knew this would happen, they are lucky the majors have allowed them to compete.

[@JasonWeir-p5t]

Liv golf doesn't belong in professional golf.Too much money.No real glory.The spoils of victory comes with effort.Should never play unless youre ready to win or lose.When you lose youre still winning.If you don't believe then you ain't going to win anything

[@paulmcgee1867]

Not news they knew this would happen

[@roakes1956]

Don't bore us. Get to the chorus...

[@dbo4506]

Cam always comes and plays the odd tournament at home. Nothing new here. The fact you’re acting like this is out of his normal routine just shows how out of touch you actually are with his routine. Don’t act like you know it all and spit Bs opinions when you clearly are just making assumption after assumption. And your assumptions aren’t educated. You’re making uneducated assumptions 😂

[@MrHobbs-lm8jn]

You guys need to find a better subject to discuss This topic is dead

[@texmex911]

man this is a super boring useless podcast

[@Duh_Huh_24]

WGR hasworked with all of the tours to get their play to count toward rankings but for some reason LIV can't come to agreement on a format that would qualify them for WGR. LIV's refusal to do what it takes to be part of it doesn't diminish what being ranked high will earn you. A new group of islamic dudes don't get to set the rules just because they paid a bunch of players to be with them. You missed what Sergio was saying about the WGR. Anyone would have to win lots of LIV tournaments to rank high because of the nature of their 54 hole format. Easier short tournaments aren't weighted as much as the traditional tournament format. So you have to win lots of LIV events to rank as high as someone who wins fewer PGA events.

[@mitchell3306]

You guys are sidestepping the obvious. ...When I watch any PGA tourney; it's like watching a "B" league. PGA ranking are just BS. NO Name players are all you see on the PGA tour. I personally don't watch anymore. Why watch B league and waste a saturday

[@sandman2495]

Blah Blah Blah

[@Footballfan14462]

Stop trying to sell things and talking 💩please and thank you.

[@glennbrooks9347]

Why has no one thought about the impact of a Trump win, didn't LIV play a lot of their tornys at Trump courses in the US. Do you think Trump would be happy with the split continuing. I think it would have an impact on the current state of play.

[@scruffy8861]

Memo to LIV: lose the shorts if you want to be taken seriously.

[@ProblemChild-xk7ix]

Memo to you: The golf matters not the pants.

[@scruffy8861]

@@ProblemChild-xk7ix Practice in shorts, perform in pants. Let's see what happens when LIV and the PGA merge.

[@francismcknight724]

Why? Why is it that men have to play in pants but women can wear skirts? The shorts are all dress shorts with belts. What's the issue?

[@BobbyJohn322]

Fleetwoods a joke, dude never won!!

[@tonywright8614]

Completely and utter rubbish. Fleetwood is a winner ... look on his record...why do people spout such ill- informed claptrap?

[@jokerman-pl4dp]

I love LIV golf!!! I just hope the merger happens

[@jaytravtulsa1]

LIV is a retirement exhibition tour. I’m totally finished with the Ryder Cup too. It’s another exhibition event. The Euros are too into it, it’s creepy. Legacy my *ss. Win majors, win DP and PGA tour events, and other big world events like in the Aussie swing, or see ya later. I broke par at my muni last weekend and sank a key birdie putt to close out my best ball match - should I be ranked? 😂🤣😂

[@tessp100d4]

OWGR is worthless now. Liv Golf Rules

[@BillyDenton-nx3oy]

Why would LIV be interested in a merger with the PGA Tour ? What does the PGA have that makes a deal attractive ? As each day passes the PGA Tour's monopoly fades into memory. LIV is growing. The PGA Tour is now an opportunity to get noticed by a LIV Team and possibly an invitation to the big show. (And the big money) Bye-bye PGA Tour. You may not realize it but your time at the big boy table is over. 😎✌️⛳️🏌‍♀️🤷‍♂️

[@BillyDenton-nx3oy]

This channel is going the way of the PGA Tour. Snoozefest.

[@marcusbruce6389]

PIF loses over $60 millionUS each Livv exhibition, Livv isnt growing, isnt getting media & sponsors, isnt in any merge with US Tour as PIF has to apply to invest in USPGAT and be approved by US Govt. first, which they havent done. Tours will take PIF $$ but wont merge with Livv, even Livv in Oz loses $90 millionAU each time with only 100 thousand spectators per show.

[@glennbrooks9347]

Feeder tour to LIV

[@marcusbruce6389]

@@glennbrooks9347 Asian Tour is the feeder Tour, PIF pays it $30 million/ yr for it.

[@BillyDenton-nx3oy]

@marcusbruce6389 , 100k spectators per show? That # seems outrageously high to me. Selling 100k tickets to anything else generates big, big revenue. Like Rose Bowl type revenue. Like Taylor Swift type revenue. Maybe you're right, I certainly don't have any information to debate the figure. I'm just kinda stunned to see such a large #. Years ago, playing in the Nike Tour Championship, I think that we had around 10k sets of eyes on us, and to me, it seemed like that was a big #. Roll em in ! 😎✌️⛳️🏌‍♀️🤷‍♂️

[@andrewleventis8341]

I’ve lost interest in golf since LIV …