LIVE: 2023 DAIWA Legalis LT Unboxing

[@TTangOutdoors]

I can't wait to get my hands on the US version of the 23 exceler. The JDM legalis looks exactly like the exceler just a different paint job and the spools look identical.

[@geraldgibson2468]

Exciting new development. Love my 3 2017 legalis. Looking forward to getting my hands on some 2023’s. Thanks Victor.

[@ifishcatfish]

they still excellent. This is not a day and night difference. Very small improvements in finesse. Weight reduction is the biggest improvement, but are u really gone feel that..

[@Kozakana_yt]

Looking forward about the comparison video about the old and new legalis. Thank you Victor.

[@alextheGreek7]

I have the 2020 legalis model. 2000 version. The reel is just OUTSTANDING

[@adambailey1993]

Absolutely love watching your Videos, They are so interesting. Been watching them alot. :)

[@ifishcatfish]

Thanks for dropping a line buddy! Nothing better than resding such comments

[@andrewho18]

Looking forward to your disassembly video on this! Saw some reviews saying the needlessness for the anti-reverse switch and the line roller section is not that good. Couldnt find a review for the DH model though which i was eyeing to get

[@Thebankfisher]

Just got one of these in the dual handle version ...very cool they offer the dual handle option. The color on these matches the $50 aird X rods perfectly

[@ifishcatfish]

i have never seen a dual handle on these.. but good to know

[@Thebankfisher]

@@ifishcatfish 2500s-dh

[@a.o.3523]

Good initial review! I really like Legalis because for the budget I want to spend on equipment, it is such a superb reel! I don't feel like I'm missing out. 👏👏

[@saintmartinfireangler2401]

Planning to purchase this same reel. Cant wait for the field test.

[@visarshllaku2149]

Great video! Thank you! I am buying exactly this reel, from Daiwa they recomended me to by this reel with 3000 size for bolognese rod of about 6 meters for float fishing!

[@ifishcatfish]

Well if they recommended it from Daiwa..

[@visarshllaku2149]

@@ifishcatfish Can you make a video of comparison between: SHIMANO NASCI FC C3000 HG and Daiwa Legalis LT 2023 3000 CXH?

[@ifishcatfish]

I could, of course, but it is outside my field and will look awkward that i review such big reels. I do only ultralight tackle.

[@visarshllaku2149]

@@ifishcatfish ok i understand! But maybe light ones like 1000 or 2000?

[@ifishcatfish]

here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3expauiqNlkp9k Watch Legalis vs Sahara comparison. Nasci is just a Sahara with some small differences. I have another video on differences between Nasci and Sahara but they are not important. You can search the other video Nasci vs Sahara

[@raydwane9294]

Awsome video again victor,I loved the old legalis I’ve 2 of them but they are a little dated I’m excited with this review I’m gona update my old reels for these,you’re recommendations have not let me down yet😉

[@ifishcatfish]

well... this review is gona be more interesting than i expected. Don't miss it.

[@raydwane9294]

@@ifishcatfish 👏👏👍

[@RidesTheRain]

I have 4 of the blue Legalis LT reels and have enjoyed them but I did wear out the line roller bushings on 2 of them. I upgraded the bushing to a bearing which made them better than new. My initial impression of this new 2023 model is not good. Looks cheap and gaudy to me and lighter construction. The only positive I see is the screw in handle. Plus I prefer a much faster retrieve so hopefully they will also offer a 6.2 model. Thanks for the great overview!

[@ifishcatfish]

It doesn't sound like you are an ultralight angler. If you are a bass angler, Legalis is not so impressive.. There are many alternatives for bass fishing. But for ultralight fishing, it doesn't have alternatives

[@TC_Fishing]

My 23 Legalis 2000S-P came in too. Amazing reel for the money. Exceptionally light and smooth

[@janmichaelsuarez2996]

which one shud ill get high gear one or low gear? im using it for light softplastic fishing

[@JF-qc6po]

​@janmichaelsuarez2996 I'm stuck on that question too. I'm getting it for trout fishing.

[@mihaiad86]

I've bought a Lexa 3000 and i love it. Can't wait to use it at the sea side, in the river it performed very well.

[@irhymeswithpie]

looking at the 2023 legalis 2000S-P vs the 2000D. the 2000D has a braid rating. Wanted to grab the 2000S-P, does daiwa not recommend braid on this one? Still recommend the 2000S-P the most?

[@ifishcatfish]

u can use whatever line u want on both reels. There is no such thing as braid spool or braid reel. Its all nonsense. They use the same line lay anyway.. It is the same reel with 2 differnt spools. The D spool is simply deeper. If u want more line u can get deeper. However for most people it is a hassle, because u have to fill it up with cheap line half way, and then put the expensive line, so people prefer shallow spools. Also shallow spools are more beaitufiul - like low profile tires

[@irhymeswithpie]

@@ifishcatfishthank you!!! I appreciate the response. Also love the videos. Gonna go with the 2000S-P to pair with my gifted st croix panfish LW. One day maybe I’ll grab a JdM rod :)

[@AlinJapan]

Good to see that Daiwa has upped it's game with the Legalis. I was really impressed byt the one that was 2 versions ago.

[@nealstacy4393]

Just recently picked up the 2023 Exceler and Fuego. The bail change appears to be across the line, as all now have the thinner wire.

[@ifishcatfish]

some savings were probably needed

[@sausagefingers385]

can you spot the difference between the 23 exceler and 23 legalis? cuz i see there's no difference except the color, gear ratio and the depth of the spool

[@nealstacy4393]

@@sausagefingers385 I picked up both. Your assessment is spot on. I’ve found the 23 Legalis can often be imported for less on Amazon Japan than US retailers selling the 23 Exceler. If the color and possible wait time is not an issue for you, then I suggest looking into importing it. I managed to get two 23 Legalis LT2000s-p from Amazon Japan for $62 each back in November. Now they are going for about $74 each with a one month wait time. Still beats the US retail $100 for a 23 Exceler.

[@nealstacy4393]

@@sausagefingers385 that appears to be correct. Just seems to be JDM exclusive options. I’ve found the 23 Legalis can often be imported for less money than the 23 Exceler in the US so that might be an option worth looking into for those considering one of these models.

[@krsone1585]

Vic...on the jdm model Lt1000s do you know how much 4lb test mono that spool holds? I use trilene lx mono. Thanks.

[@ifishcatfish]

you will think that i am being 100% serios when I give you my answer.. and my answer is : ENOUGH. 50 meters of line is enough for ultralight fishing, and i am sure it will take at least 100

[@krsone1585]

@ifishcatfish Been fishing ultra light for over 30 years. But I never got a jdm reel. I even landed a 13lb large mouth on 4lbs trilene on a 1/4oz zara spook in fla, in the early 90's. Thanks.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Been very busy so I'm trying to catch up on your content but looks like youve been very busy as well Victor. The level of competition between Shimano and Daiwa is just so good, that we consumers are the ones benefiting from it. Thanks again for the content

[@ifishcatfish]

thanks buddy

[@kendebeer9269]

Best spinning reel under $70 Eagle Claw EC 2.5 $40 direct from company 1000-4000 8+1 ball bearings Smooth and solid You will not be disappointed!

[@ifishcatfish]

i can't tell if you are serious or trolling

[@kendebeer9269]

@@ifishcatfish Serious You will be amazed Not much info on website but full schematics with part numbers ...

[@krsone1585]

Vic...is there a gap between the handle and where it gets screwed in the reel? I just got mine and noticed after putting the handle on there is a gap.

[@ifishcatfish]

all reels have a gap there, including exist and stella

[@krsone1585]

​@@ifishcatfish Thank you.

[@krsone1585]

One more question! 😔So did some looking and this is the first shallow spool, I will only be able to get 64 yds of 4lb mono. You think I'll have enough line for panfish? Again...sorry for the questions, like I said..this is the first shallow spool. Thanks.

[@s.sergey9353]

Tell me what is the thickness of the wire on the bow in the daiwa 23 legalis lt reel

[@Triple87]

“5 square feet of chrome” This made me laugh so hard. 😂

[@ifishcatfish]

: )

[@jakeyval3487]

Now that you've probably seen the inside of this reel, how would its durability compare to a Sahara for big smallmouth bass and walleye jigging? From watching your videos it seems like the 22 Sahara would have a more durable / larger felt pad than the 23 Legalis (unless you use the old pads maybe). The Sahara also has the coated gears. Would this affect durability? Or is the difference negligible? I'm pretty new to this so I might not be totally accurate. I want a Legalis for the lower weight on my dropshot rod, plus it just looks like a smoother action of turning the handle to me (I know there is no load). I'm just wondering about its durability. 22 Sahara would be ~$90 cad while the 23 Legalis would be ~$115 cad from Digitaka. What would you recommend? Thanks in advance your videos help so much.

[@ifishcatfish]

Sahara is more durable in every aspect : frame, gears, and internal construction. And feels just as good. For bass i definitely would prefer the sahara. especially if you want to fish with the 2000 size. For ultralight fishing, twitching a trout magnet and that kind of stuff, i would prefer the Legalis

[@jakeyval3487]

@@ifishcatfish Thank you so much you've convinced me. Might end up buying a Legalis for a perch rod then

[@littleviking488]

As you've mentioned, a close study of the reel confirms the Japanese website description: the majority of the weight reduction has happened in the rotor -thinner sections, connections, etc and the wire bail as you pointed out. My 23 Legalis also has less sideplay in the handle bushings than my 2017 model and I won't have to use your 4lb test line trick to reduce the rotational clearance in the handle assembly. 😃👍

[@markodjurakic1515]

Hi Victor. Thank you for the post and review of 23 legalis model. I was influenced by your post and decided to purchase one of these. After a short research, I discovered that Japanese and European models of 23 legalis differ. Japanese models in size 2000 are 2000S-P (gear ratio of 4.8, capacity 0.6PE - 150m) and 2000S-XH (gear ratio of 6.2, capacity 0.6PE - 150m) and both have screw-in handle. On the other hand 2000 size models for European markets are 2000D (gear ratio of 5.2, capacity 0.8PE - 300m) and 2000S-XH (gear ratio of 6.2, capacity 0.8PE - 300m) but without screw-in handle. The appearance of Japanese and European models is almost identical except root of the handle (screw-in part). I am not sure if the main gear differ. Did you noticed those differences maybe?

[@ifishcatfish]

I never buy anything from the european market so i don't know for sure. It is very hard alraedy to check both the US and Japanese markets. I think Europe gets the same junk as US. I would buy the reel out of Japan if possible.

[@matthewwollmann5803]

Do u ever use budget reels on very expensive rods?

[@ifishcatfish]

all the time. Most of my fishing videos show the tackle. I have Soare XR reels on my cheap Presso rods, and i have Sahara reel on my expensive Soare XR Rod and the new Legalis LT can go on any high end rod also

[@matthewwollmann5803]

Do u think it’s worth paying lots of money on reels?

[@ifishcatfish]

@@matthewwollmann5803 i think you should spend relative to what u make. For people who make a lot of money its worth it because what else can u do with money. If you are middle class buy the mid range. If u are young and just started your career, fish budget first few years. The value of a reel is different to different people.

[@StingofTruth]

I was thinking of getting this reel. I bought a legalis last year (2023) at bass pro and it is blue and black. I went to digitaka and saw this color model. I wonder what the differences are.

[@ifishcatfish]

The blue Legalis is 2020, not 2023. The differences are big, i have a video comparing them. Basspro does not have the 2023 model

[@StingofTruth]

@@ifishcatfish ok thank you very much. Maybe I'll order one of these from digitaka.

[@danielwutfisho]

VERY NICE DESIGN by daiwa in my opinion. New spool design and rotor makes it sexy like a vanford. Looks like the 23 Legalis will be the new budget freshwater/ultralight king. Daiwa is really taking over the market. From heavy saltwater reels to even the legalis, they are investing alot of money into R&D, and it shows.

[@davidcloyd1296]

Great attention to detail!

[@piscamaniac]

It would be interesting to find how much of the weight saving comes from the new rotor and how much from new wire bail.

[@ifishcatfish]

the new bail is solid steel. This aint weight saving. It was cost saving.

[@piscamaniac]

You'd think that, especially as regal is heavier than old legalis. Anyway, as you will be tearing down the reel it would be nice if you could weigh the stripped air drive rotor, please :)@@ifishcatfish

[@NWGCroler]

Should I put the Drag Washers from Legalis 20 on the Legalis 23 since my old one is broken I can use the bigger Spool Washers

[@ifishcatfish]

the space inside the new legalis is smaller. I believe it will still work, but you will have no benefit from it, compared to stock felt. Stock felt on new legalis is great already and no need to mess. However u can use the felt from the old legalis on many reels that come with carbon washer. 100 people asked me where can they buy a felt washer..

[@NWGCroler]

@@ifishcatfish I know it's not the place but if anyone needs some parts from the Legalis 20 I have a brand new full disassembly.

[@ifishcatfish]

@@NWGCroler i doubt someone will read that, but u can put it on ebay for parts and tell them if they need only one part to email you..

[@skj468]

How do you think it’s going to perform at temps under 32F? I love my regal lt with the exception of when the temps drop below freezing and the anti reverse/ drag fails

[@ifishcatfish]

i have never fished under 32F in my life, even though i lived in Chicago 22 years. But my bet is that around freezing it may start to slip a little.

[@ivanvedris9636]

maybe the new legalis run really smooth because it has a lower transmission? for example xh transmission has a slight resistance compared to regular legalis

[@marcelfishing]

Why mine haven’t got screw on handle??? It looks exactly the same 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ifishcatfish]

U sure? Email me picture.

[@marcelfishing]

@@ifishcatfish I’m 100% sure mate,is there European version of the reel ? And does it make any difference if the handle is not screwed on?I will take a picture and send it to you when I get back from work. Thank you

[@mazzdesigns6929]

@@ifishcatfishI just ordered one in the US after watching this video and mine is shaft mounted handle not screw on. Did a little research and I believe only jdm version comes with screw on handle

[@ifishcatfish]

@@marcelfishing what else is new... The US dealer decided to save 2 dollars..

[@emirluie]

@@marcelfishing i think you bought the legalis cs version 2021. It looks identical.

[@tiborkaracsonyi8188]

Is it possible to exchange the spool with the old Legalis. I heard it is the same size. Thanks

[@ifishcatfish]

I have not tried but someone told me they tried and didn't work out. I don't know for sure though..

[@fishslayer420]

Question would you buy the fuego or the new legalis

[@ifishcatfish]

i would buy the new legalis, but the old fuego is still a great reel today. if u r on budget i know they go for 55. U can't go wrong really, either way u win

[@bluesky5587]

Victor … u recommend 1000 size for jigging …would that also apply for ned rig?….thank u

[@ifishcatfish]

I'm not sure. Its similar action and very sensitivity oriented, but weight is always heavier. You can go either way. If u use a long rod or cheaper rod, 2000 size will look better and have more power

[@G3Steve]

Where is this reel available for sale? The shimano website does not even have it listed there.

[@ifishcatfish]

This is Daiwa, not shimano. Unfortunately this model is available only in japan but there sre many stores that ship here

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Looks nice I have the 2500 legalis great reel super smooth I use it for perch fishing 🎣 👍🐟

[@Kozakana_yt]

Hello Victor, is it still worth to buy the older lagalis, the jdm model. Because it is much cheaper,it happens that there is a tackle shop here in the area that is selling the legalis jdm model.

[@ifishcatfish]

It DEFINITELY is! I think the old one looks better, and has nicer bail, and the bail doesn't click. The new one is a little lighter and a bit more finessy but these are small difference and if u see big difference in price - definitely take advantage

[@Kozakana_yt]

@@ifishcatfish thank you Victor! Still gonna get this model in the future, as you said it will be the king in half of a decade. Legalis are awesome and definitely a gem for a budget segment

[@jasonhaken9350]

Hi victor, I’m struggling with whether to go legalis or I have the option of a stradic FL for a bit more. Did you have test the stradic against the new ultegra?

[@ifishcatfish]

what kind of struggle is this? These two reels are not alternatives. One is a finesse ultralight reel, the other one is a metal frame saltwater reel. If u do ultralight fishing, go Legalis. If u do Saltwater fishing, go Stradic. If u do Bass fishing, do Sahara. These 3 reels are amazing in what they are designed to do and suck at what they are not designed to do.

[@jasonhaken9350]

@@ifishcatfish thanks victor, it was probably a stupid question! We don’t have bass over here in NZ so the reel would be used for trout spinning (1/8oz jig heads and softbaits and 7g lures). We also have a healthy population of kawahai which also run into the river from the sea so we fishing inlet mouths etc for both species. The other spinning target are red fin perch. Most of these fit into the 2lb to 10lb category and sometime used in salt water conditions. I guess I’m after the best alrounder and it might not exisit

[@Tauseef_007]

Okuma cymer hd vs daiwa legalis lt new model which one better.?

[@ifishcatfish]

Legalis is the best reel under $150. Okuma = Kastking. Silly to compare with daiwa models

[@aiffskull]

would the low gear ratio be appropriate for spoons, or maybe too slow?

[@ifishcatfish]

thats exactly what u want actually

[@ifishcatfish]

i don't know of anything except maybe dropshot where high gear ratio is appropriate in ultralight fishing. This has bled into people from bass fishing. U don't need anything with gear ratio of 6 or over in ultralight fishing

[@chuckymystic]

whats you 2023 top pick reel for under 200 dollars? Needs to have a good loud drag sound, i have a trip to north georgia (blue ridge toccoa river)coming up and have an itch to get another UL setup.

[@ifishcatfish]

Ultegra .. but the drag sound is not very loud. This reel actually has the best stock sound.

[@ivanvedris9636]

is it problem if is HG ratio? supposedly (at least that's what they say about daiwa) if the transmission is higher, you feel resistance when winding the handle@@ifishcatfish

[@ifishcatfish]

​@@ivanvedris9636 well u want to do 6.3 rotor turns with 1 crank of the handle, instead of 4.8. If you want to do more work with one crank, you have to put more force.

[@PennNative]

Im in need of some new reels. I have been watching back through your old videos and i have a lot of questions for you. 1-In the instance of this video. why do you recommend the Japanese version of this reel over the model thats linked in your Amazon page thats different color thats sold here in the US? 2-Why do you prefer a shorter reel handle for twitching? 3-Why do you like the lower gear ratio on reels? Just for less resistance of the gears for a smoother feel? You should consider for unknowing or new viewers separating reel and rod comparisons. example Domestic rods/reels for ultra light techniques that can be had in the US. And like best models. Then Japanese setups for ultralight fishing. Cause i have been watching through your videos and sometimes i don’t put together right away that the particular reel im looking at is even able to be bought here in the US. I think that would help new guys know right away. Some guys just are not interested in ordering over seas. Not that we don’t want to watch all your video. But a defined separation of the two would be nice. Also i have not see any videos specifically on twitching technique. What exactly is it. What you need in a rod, a reel, line, bait. all in one video would make a nice video i feel. Same with swimming jigs. full video on understanding gear for it and techniques. You can do like part 1,2 ext.. to keep video shorter if you need to. I have been really enjoying your channel and info. I tried your jigs out for the first time yesterday. They are very nice quality. sharp hooks that hold fish but the barb is small enough to hold but not over big that its hard to get hook out. they’re perfect. I think the weights you have for smaller baits are good as well. You did good Victor. Now its time to make swim jig heads to fit the 2” soft swimbaits with approximately length shank to fit models like Berkley swimer you recommend to us.

[@ifishcatfish]

The blue one sold here in USA is the previous generation. Inferior reel. Heavier rotor. The new model is simply not offered here for some very weird reason. Shorter handle lets u feel the weight of the jig during the retrieve. Long handle gives u more leverage and u wind too easy. I like longer handles for swimbaits and float fishing where the weight is much more, and its not about sensitivity anyway

[@ifishcatfish]

Low gear ratio reduces the resistance from spinning the rotor and pulling the lure through the water. Makes fishing more enjoyable and gears last longer as they work under less stress. 2" Keithech jig will come out some time next year, but there is other things cooking first

[@PennNative]

@@ifishcatfish In the other video you did comparing this model Diawa and the Shimano Sahara, was the Shimano Sahara a USA model or was that a Japanese model Sahara? Also what size reel do you like on your ultralight rods? Thank you sir.

[@mikedavis2712]

Don't know theyear of my 2500sh but mine has the straight short handle

[@vsonic86]

Heart broken for me. I have Daiwa saltiga 2020 14000, love the drag sound but hate color. I wish I can switch to this color black/gold. Bought another Daiwa saltiga 2023 during Black Friday 6000XH. Hate color again. And the worse part is the drag sound, super silent compared to this. Looking to get 2500/3000 for light inshore saltwater jigging, have this one in my mind. Still could down hoping 2024, daiwa will release something sexy for reel size 2500/3000. I my myself love the bg, sadly the new bg sw doesn’t release size 2500/3000😭

[@ifishcatfish]

i feel like that for the 2020 Presso..

[@Thebankfisher]

You know you can adjust the clicker sound by bending the clicker spring out slightly so it pushes harder on the detents

[@raymondjohnson6496]

When RU going to buy the new 23 Exist LT SF 1000S-P or the 2000SS-H-P from digitaka price is $598.18. 23 Exist LT 2500-SS $605.53 the only way I will get this reel if I have got all my casting and spinning reels and rods and this is the only thing is left maybe I don’t yet

[@ifishcatfish]

i am not getting this reel. I heard from a shop owner that the resistance is "not what i would want it to be" lol. That's his direct quote : ) But also its chrome color. Even this Legalis looks better

[@okish02]

Can you get this reel with a shallow spool??

[@ifishcatfish]

the one i have is not that deep. Its nothing like the old legalis. It takes 150 yards of 0.14 mm, which is about right for this kind of reel, since some people will put much thicker line.

[@Crazydutchman11]

Thanks for your Videos 😊🙏 Josef from Germany 🙋🏻‍♂️🌳

[@JV-oc3ym]

Do you use eBay to order this from Japan or do you recommend another resourse?

[@ifishcatfish]

I dont know what to recomment any more. I tell people then they buy a reel and they complain the reel is making noises and its my fault. I no longer recommend stores, sorry.

[@JV-oc3ym]

No problem. I understand. Thanks

[@TheDinmor6]

Vanford or legalis for saltwater purpose?

[@ifishcatfish]

vanford, of course

[@Tallnerdyguy]

While it might be petty, does the bail click when open?

[@ifishcatfish]

yup. Clicks like all shimanos.

[@pedroetayo]

What is the difference between LEGALIS LT 2000S-XH, LEGALIS LT 2000S-P?

[@ifishcatfish]

gear ratio and depth of spool.

[@janmichaelsuarez2996]

which one is good for light fishing? P or XH?​@@ifishcatfish

[@ifishcatfish]

P or no P doesnt matter, but dont buy reels that have H or X in them

[@okish02]

Can this ultra light cast micro lures far? What rod would be good for it to cast small lures far?

[@ifishcatfish]

the reel matters very little for casting far. You need 0.12mm line and a rod designed to cast small lures and u will cast them with any reel, even the cheapest ebay reel. As for rods, all high end rods cast far. I have a playlist with rod reviews - watch a few and pick something you like.

[@elyazinho]

Hi what line would you recommend to use for this?

[@elyazinho]

For every budget..thank you

[@ifishcatfish]

@@elyazinho i recommend nylon monofilament up to 0.15mm diameter. U can buy whichever u want, but be nylon and watch diameter

[@elyazinho]

@@ifishcatfish thank you for your recommendation

[@WeAreFreeAudits]

where do you order these from ?

[@ifishcatfish]

go go daiwa japan and pick the exact model you want. Then google.

[@robertbrandywine]

Unlike you, I prefer the "gold" handle to the gray color handle. Also, as of today the Sahara is over $20 less than the Legalis.

[@ifishcatfish]

as of today... I wonder why would the price go up right for black friday..

[@robertbrandywine]

Maybe because the 2023 Legalis is too good to compete with at equal price?

[@abcJ-q4v]

will that spoon cast worse than previous?

[@ifishcatfish]

why would it cast worse?

[@abcJ-q4v]

@@ifishcatfish cause its different

[@ifishcatfish]

@@abcJ-q4v the only thing that matters for casting, is line lay. And that is the same for all daiwa reels. I would absorb that, as it can help u. THere is no casting difference between Legalis and Exist.

[@mdraf76]

Sound crystal clear

[@mylesm3853]

Is the new 23 Fuego the same as this reel?

[@ifishcatfish]

but sealed. For saltwater. Sometimes the seals bring a little extra resistance. U don't need fuego if fishing freshwater

[@mylesm3853]

Thank you, I mostly fish for small saltwater fish.

[@ifishcatfish]

@@mylesm3853 thats exactly what u want then

[@dennisstewart7849]

Victor, it will look good on my Daiwa Presso.

[@ifishcatfish]

a bit too shiny, but the gold accents are kind of red-gold and very close

[@yep.fishing]

Does that bail arm look lower to you? Seems unusually low

[@ifishcatfish]

it is kind of low, and also super ugly...

[@piscamaniac]

Nice review. But I don't see any difference between this and US Exceler 23; surely this is just the Japan version of exceler? I think we may have to wait for airdrive US exceler with hex handle.

[@piscamaniac]

Rather, hex handle US legalis. Daiwa are great at making confusion.

[@ifishcatfish]

i haven't seen the US exceller, shockingly..

[@ifishcatfish]

yes, thats their strongest side

[@piscamaniac]

23 legalis with hex handle and less chrome is now up on daiwa Australia website, I imagine this is the version they will be introducing to europe and americas.

[@KurtCiteh]

So I was wondering the same thing re 2023 legalis v 23 excelled. The weight the same and have the same amount of bearings and the spools look identical. I just purchased the 23 exceler 2000d. That was the only difference I could find, in that legalis has 2000 sp or xh and exceler only has 2000d which means I have to put a tone of 6lb braid to fill it.

[@kenglee88]

how come my handle doesn't look like yours... my is not a 1 piece.. i think i got scam..lol

[@ifishcatfish]

did u buy a 2023 Legalis? From what country?

[@kenglee88]

everything looks right, but just the handle that is different.. maybe it's because of the model i got??

[@ifishcatfish]

@@kenglee88 u didnt answer my question

[@finleyandtom]

@@ifishcatfishmine is the same ? Its a 2023 model bought from Spain identical to the reel in the video in every way apart from the handle - its the same gold colour but it pushes through the body of the reel and screws on from the other side ??

[@lasergun31]

It seems that the EU model has no screw in handle, at least here in Germany.

[@billturner2370]

That Bail is nasty on the New one!

[@ifishcatfish]

u know... i wish i could disagree...

[@12askalHarry]

I rather have a screw in handle than a 1 piece bail

[@ifishcatfish]

Ha! If you put it like that - me too! Also, it was never a one piece bail. It was a Fake one piece bail, but it was always many pieces glued together

[@alper3765]

Sahara or legalis?

[@ifishcatfish]

Legalis for ultralight fishing. Sahara for bass fishing

[@charlie5677]

Hi sir ,which one you choose between Daiwa Legalis LT Vs Shimano 23 Ultegra ? Please kindly let me know if you have any answer, thank you.

[@ifishcatfish]

they are on very similar level, buy whichever is cheaper or whichever looks better on your rod

[@charlie5677]

@@ifishcatfish OK

[@tuansmith6339]

Daiwa needs to do away with anti-reverse.

[@ifishcatfish]

here here!

[@TVslee]

Great unboxing. The enormous chrome butt is atrocious. It reminds me of the gigantic chrome butt on the 2012 Ultegra - retro and not in a good way. The new spool is a lot nicer but looks like a complete ripoff of the Sahara spool. Great to see (and hear) the drag sound improvement though.

[@ifishcatfish]

yep. People tell me it didn't bother them until i mentioned it and now it does. Like its my fault, instead of the fool that designed it

[@owl331]

Hear you load and clear

[@owl331]

Why is the 1000 $20. More

[@ifishcatfish]

i thought the 2000 size was $20 more

[@jlewis8829]

Nice....ur going to love the entire update...even the revros...check it out😊

[@ifishcatfish]

not the Revros though... unless they put the bearing back

[@danielwutfisho]

Those other companies aren't putting in the time with the engineering and quality control like daiwa and shimano are. Penn has a bunch of garbage reels, okuma is half decent, but in the light tackle scenario nobody else competes.

[@ifishcatfish]

completely agree. And the simple reason is - they don't have engineers on staff. They don't engineer anything. They tell chinese and korean companies what they try to do something like that for them, but it is different, and the available technology will always be 5-10 years behind what daiwa and shimano do today.

[@abcJ-q4v]

bail too thin, bend easily from falls and bumps

[@ifishcatfish]

sounds like you need a product made of thick steel. This is finesse product - definitely not good for your fishing methods

[@abcJ-q4v]

@@ifishcatfish no matter how finesse u r, you'll drop your pole and bump into rocks tree etc...

[@ifishcatfish]

I'm 45 and i've been fishing with spinning reels for 30 years and, god is my wittness, i have never bent a bail. I would much rather keep it as is, as making it stronger would add weight FOR NO REASON.

[@abcJ-q4v]

@@ifishcatfish when carrying you pole walking over rocks etc to fishing spot, slip u'll smash whats in you hand to the ground rocks etc... something'll break... weak bail will bend. I like that thicker bail on the old legalis, it's hollow isn't it

[@ifishcatfish]

@@abcJ-q4v yes, its hollow and more vulnerable. This one you can bend back. The other one will crack and u cannot fix. Either way your concerns are not a problem for ultralight tackle. If you want tackle that can withstand falling on rocks, you need something heavy, made of steel. You are looking at the wrong products. I also have allergy to grass, but i am not looking for fishing tackle that can cure my grass allergy. The purpose of ultralight tackle is different

[@michail4084]

Load and clear

[@jamieevans871]

reels should not be shinny I want a non light reflecting reel ffs

[@spinning_freak]

Having antireverse switch in 2023 is dumbest thing, it had been removed in mgs lt 5000, now they put it back

[@ifishcatfish]

Some idiots had bitched about it

[@the186element2]

Like / Algorithm

[@walteroquinn757]

Would not buy don't like the gold

[@ifishcatfish]

its just too strong and nasty. Sahara is black and gold too but looks sophisticated

[@yep.fishing]

Black and gold ..ugly. that's the thing I don't like about Japanese reels, they love red and gold

[@ifishcatfish]

sahara is black and gold but without the chrome and shine. Looks pretty good. But is very shiny like piano and my rods are not that shiny

[@yep.fishing]

@@ifishcatfish yes the Sahara looks much more premium

[@blackmaria9242]

sahara copies

[@ifishcatfish]

maybe in looks.. but sahara looks better

[@Saedi-Saian]

Horible color

[@ifishcatfish]

if u have a lot of light - yes. But with less light its not so bad

[@greenpea9412]

Victor I'm sorry if I missed it but where did you order this from? Was this a digitaka purchase? I think I heard you say just buy it from Japan. I wouldn't mind picking one of these up for my youngest son as a Christmas gift and put it on a Presso.

[@ifishcatfish]

i got this one from Digitaka but they are everywhere now

[@jimmielee58]

Hey I received my on Thursday did you had to use the washer before you put line on it to a perfect line lay

[@ifishcatfish]

no washer but the line lay is not perfect. But its not high or low either.. I thought my problem was because i overfilled it a little... if urs doesn't look good email me picture. I want to see it

[@jimmielee58]

Yes from Digitaka