LIVE: Idaho Student Murders - ID v. Bryan Kohberger - Hearing

[@reinerzufall8114]

We are in 2024 ! Get these Courts a better Soundsystem ! It's terrible

[@Raiseyourvibration-nj3xd]

Everyone hating on Ann Taylor! For actually doing a great job representing her client! While those two clowns sit over there quiet doodling on their legal pads! And giving blasé answers!

[@AllegedlyAngela]

Anne Taylor’s cellphone ping expert, Sy Ray, doesn’t have actual proof of Bryan’s alibi like she led everyone to believe. Sy Ray isn’t relying on any GPS or metadata from photos or apps from Bryan’s actual cellphone. He is relying on cell phone pings, cell tower data and cellular records from AT&T. This means there is no actual proof of Bryan’s alibi because Bryan’s phone wasn’t reporting to the network for two hours, which include the exact time the slayings occurred… Thus, Sy Ray hasn’t actually corroborated Bryan’s alibi, at all. This also means that all of this talk of drive test data and calibration reports is nothing more than misdirection and deflection mumbo jumbo because there is no cellular data at all for the critical relevant timeframe of the homicides. Bryan’s phone did not report to the network nor did his phone create any network data for the relevant time period. The PCA also does not rely on any cellphone ping or cellular network data for the time of the homicides like Anne Taylor is trying to imply. There was no network data during that timeframe. That is why Sy Ray is hyper focused on the travel towards Moscow over an hour PRIOR to the murders. He has nothing for the actual time of the murders. This hearing has all but confirmed that the defense has no actual proof of Bryan’s alibi whatsoever and that, even after all the records are produced, there will still be NOTHING from the actual time the crime took place because there was no network activity. Thus any Drive testing is completely irrelevant. Any timing advanced data is completely irrelevant and every single claim that this “missing data” is exculpatory to Bryan Kohberger is nothing more than posturing and bluffing by Anne Taylor and Sy Ray because THERE WAS ZERO ACTIVITY ON THE NETWORK DURING THE ACTUAL TIME OF THE MURDERS.

[@bernadettm80]

@@AllegedlyAngelacopy paste copy paste copy paste. Aren’t you tired of it??? Oh of course not because you are a bot 😂

[@tula1433]

They have nothing. (The state) Every American should be embarrassed that this poor dude was arrested with no evidence. Apparently they even had issues getting him indicted because they have no actual evidence.

[@theboujieliberian]

@@AllegedlyAngeladid you also not hear Brett Payne testify that it wasn’t BKs car that was seen leaving the scene? And even JJ repeats the it in disbelief “you mean to tell me you didn’t confirm it was BKs car leaving the crime scene after the murder?” Crickets 🦗

[@jonathanp89]

@@AllegedlyAngela Are you familiar with the Ctrl C and Ctrl V keys and what they do, by any chance? 🤣

[@veritas196]

I believe Idaho has a problem.

[@IchigoOren]

Why do you say that?

[@marytyler7066]

When LE and experts use words like "maybe" and "I believe" and "I don't remember" you gotta know there's a problem.

[@MovingAlong742]

Yes. His words when discussing his little map that he created with math crap: the car could POSSIBLY be the suspect and MIGHT HAVE DRIVEN down that road. On one point he was quite firm and clear. When AT asked him out of the thousands of hours of videos collected was there EVEN ONE glimpse of Kohberger's car his response was "NO."

[@becyreed]

Judge is not used to a murder trial - he seems lost

[@TMCremixes]

seems is the keyword here.

[@CramaLand]

he is lost with anne taylor, she is a waste of tax payers money

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@CramaLand How so?

[@WillaMunroe]

@@just-a-generic-username They never have an answer rooted in anything other than a fundamental misunderstanding of the system.

[@carriesobek1591]

As I read through the chat its just like I expected. Even if they have a witness that says LE and Prosecution is submitting wrong evidence you have a whole line of people saying its all BS. Those 4 victims deserve for this to be done right or for people to listen and pay attention and not just assume. People need to really think about if he is the wrong guy that means the right ones are still out there and living life up because they know they got a fall guy. People need to go back to the beginning because there is so much that pieces together but as soon as Bryan came into play they didnt care to hear those pieces anymore which is exactly what LE wanted

[@OnondagaDawn]

This Defense Attorney is AMAZING. So calm, clear, smart, asking all the right questions and she is a Badas•. 👏👏👏

[@OnondagaDawn]

The Prosecutors just get upset, angry and stubborn. They seem unorganized, clueless as to where the evidence went careless enough to justify the actions of the police, FBI, Forensics, media, ; all while knowing that a man could get the death penalty. Where is their souls? Why can’t them and FBI just play nice for once

[@OnondagaDawn]

This poor kid

[@Shewolfadoodle]

2:23:50 it’s ALL relevant when someone is facing the death penalty!

[@Lee.Lee.1983]

This trial is going to be painful with this judge leading the courtroom.

[@GingerNinja1]

I thought exactly the same thing. This kind of case needs Murdaugh murder trial judge Clifton Newman! Too bad he resigned from public service & is now an arbitrator/mediator.

[@warclassics]

He seems very lazy

[@Riawahine]

Judge is biased for the defense and, because of that he is dragging his feet. If he takes this to trial the conviction will likely be overturned

[@valerieh2014]

And having to read tons of comments from people criticizing the defenses behavior to top it all . Argh.

[@CramaLand]

anne taylor is going to make this trial painful, why do the hearings feel like they are things that she could have done as interviews? she is a waste of tax dollars

[@jworme155]

Still think the living roommates had some to do with it. No way they heard nothing,as they're get brutally murdered

[@tshamarie826]

I agree. There is absolutely no way they didn’t know what was going on. And let’s not forget the one roommate heard “something” and it made her look out the door and see a man walking out the door. They didn’t call 911 until hours and hours later. Unreal.

[@cathyhill4082]

The defense needs to get this activity in , and, they will.

[@NickyAlii]

​@@tshamarie826even neighbors heard the screams. He thought it was another party sesh

[@-A-Gem-state-of-mind]

They live in a college house allot of loud weird stuff goes on and you just stay in your room ! As soon as the noise is done you just wanna go to bed annoyed . And everyone had been drinking . Brian Kohberger did it !!!

[@jessdeeES]

@@-A-Gem-state-of-mindexactly!

[@GingerNinja1]

The 2nd part is sealed? This should all be made public, especially on a death trial... so much for total transparency.

[@just-a-generic-username]

We're lucky we even got to see this part- the prosecution argued for it to be sealed as well.

[@WildFireArcher1]

Why do people feel entitled to information prior to the trial? That's part of the problem bc people feel they aren't being transparent bc there's something nefarious. It would be irresponsible to release all info pre trial imo

[@jonathanp89]

@lav1206 If the prosecution had a slam dunk case, we'd ABSOLUTELY hear about it, through a "leak" or otherwise. Instead, they are scrambling to find phantom FBI agents and distancing themselves from their own PCA. Have you ever seen anything this ridiculous?

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@WildFireArcher1 "Why do people feel entitled to information prior to the trial?' Because that's the standard for the American justice system. It has been set up in a way that the public has the right to observe the proceedings and get the information. Not every single piece of evidence is released prior to a trial, and certain information is redacted to protect individuals, but that is the exception to the "open door" policy. The courts are supposed to operate with full transparency. In the United States, the public does have "the right to know" which includes everything leading up to a trial because it's all part of the same legal system.

[@just-a-generic-username]

@Anti-Fake-ul9oe Agree, as evidenced by this case so far.

[@davids5006]

I've yet to see anything remotely close to proof that he's guilty

[@Mrs.LeahBaker]

Same

[@anabelateixeira79]

DNA

[@Boondog-j6t]

Probably because, the evidence is sealed due to gag order. Also, read the PCA which points out the evidence that lead to Bk being arrested.

[@davids5006]

@@anabelateixeira79 technically not full DNA and was on a sheath that's not known if was from the murder weapon cos they don't have the weapon

[@kimr0714]

But it’s still his DNA what was it doing there then

[@LindaD02]

For a death penalty case prosecution needs to “find” the information they seem to be missing. The ones they say they didn’t receive but is listed so it had to be.

[@DaddySturgill]

Yet to hear any substantial evidence against him.

[@tula1433]

Literally they have nothing. He needs to be allowed to go home, even if it’s on an ankle bracelet. He should of never been arrested. Also I’d like to see a down to the Penny record of where the money went that the Government gave them to solve this case.

[@reallifelebowski4732]

Care to take on this William & Mary Law Grad and current attorney with an impeccable legal record of 18 years?

[@reallifelebowski4732]

*WAITING*

[@reallifelebowski4732]

~Waits

[@cmagic222]

DNA says it all

[@dorisimbornone7505]

If this is a cover up by Police it should be investigated by pros not by Idaho's failed Police department! From the start it wasn't handled correctly instead I believe it was not a professional investigation but lacking from preserving the crime scene, throughout the house, the two other roommates that covered up things by calling friends first, all the tunnels and the destruction of the house per who had the authority to demand it! Nothing was done correctly it was all a botched hurry up job!

[@sdwhite5701]

And you are basing all of your conjecture on nothing.

[@karlyvictorsen2646]

The Moscow police bungled this whole thing big time when a person's life is on the line it is imperative that all the facts Point to him and clearly the police have exaggerated the evidence they have on him and now have no way to corroborate their story, as said evidence clearly does not exist. So far defence are proving clear Reasonable Doubt and the trial hasn't even started yet. I have personally sat in court through over 90 court cases and as boring as it may seem to the layperson it is incredibly important when somebody's life is on the line

[@denisekoenig9479]

💯

[@enigma_-_79]

😂🤣

[@MovingAlong742]

Biggest case in Moscow history, in these "detectives" lives, and they cannot remember extremely important things they did in their efforts to arrest and convict this guy. I have finally decided that MPD is BOTH corrupt and incompetent.

[@lemoncuriousbeloved]

43:30 - 47:06 THIS ENTIRE EXCHANGE &THEIR REACTIONS & FACIAL MOVEMENT TOWARDS EACH OTHER JUST TOLD YOU EVERYTHING YA'LL ARE WANTING TO KNOW!!! YA'LL ARE NOT LISTENING TO ANNE TAYLOR!

[@tula1433]

The state has nothing. Time to let BK out.

[@kimberleighe_anne]

​@tula1433 yeah let's just let a man walk who's dna was found on the knife sheath under one of the 4 slaughtered victims. You people are INSANE

[@NickyAlii]

​@@tula1433exactly

[@SierraSnowFrancis]

Why isn't the judge looking at the exhibit as the attorney talks about them

[@Raiseyourvibration-nj3xd]

Everyone saying “he’s guilty” why would he allow someone with the expertise of Mr. Ray to come in and testify after he investigates and pin points Bryan’s location that night? Bryan wouldn’t allow that if he knew he was at king road killing 4 people. He’s confident in where he was, something stinks in this case! This thing is much bigger than people know.

[@jimmears]

BULL. YOu're a clueless person with no direct information available speculating and casting aspersions.

[@jonathanp89]

Definetly. Imo Sigma were involved.

[@RobertR-w5w]

omg, clown

[@enigma_-_79]

Look up Sy Rays history with his TRAX software. Something like 17 cases were found to be faulty because the software didn’t work. He has been taken off multiple cases. He doesn’t even qualify as an expert, he’s an ex beat cop.

[@enigma_-_79]

Making it easy for the prosecution with him on the team, especially because he is all over YT showing his bias. Wife been seen in chat of very suspect channels.

[@LoriCalifornia]

Why was he indited in the first place with lack of evidence anyone could have placed the knife sheth there.

[@cmagic222]

No they could not

[@LoriCalifornia]

Why not?

[@theluckyman74]

​@@LoriCaliforniahe also a face book page where he liked most of the people he killed

[@karlyvictorsen2646]

This is all just looking so Shady if the prosecution weren't being dodgy they would have happily handed over this evidence it's very clear that all of the things they have stated to the public that they have on the defendant is utter bulshit. Just turn it over already

[@jonathanp89]

Exactly, and remember the Prosecution originally wanted these hearings to tale place behind closed doors! No wonder when they have such an incompetent witness like that Detective Mowrey.

[@enigma_-_79]

You havent been listening have you? She is trying to get stuff that doesn’t exist to prove her case because she has nothing else. Like his darn, “I wasn’t there” alibi. Took her two years to come up with that 😂

[@kimberleighe_anne]

Exactly!! ​@@enigma_-_79

[@kimberleighe_anne]

​@@enigma_-_79 I been trying to say the same thing! You are spot on. She is grasping its OBVIOUS. Idk how people don't see it. I see so many people saying oh they framed him. Yeah so they just thought of a random name of someone who wasn't even on police radar. Planting his dna on the sheath and thata how they cane up with him so let the man out of jail. Is absolutely insane. I see way too many people saying that and it's absolutely crazy! Lol

[@enigma_-_79]

@@kimberleighe_anne It seems to be a trend lately. Little gangs of police haters and detractors all making rude and unfounded allegations about law enforcement. What always makes me smile is the image I have of how quickly these nay-sayers will tap in 911 if they find themselves in the slightest bit of trouble. They will expect men and women to put their actual lives on the line for them, and they won’t see the irony. Some of these women make me shudder. They are the insecure females who would rather ‘date’ a man behind bars, than engage in real relationships. Even if they are cold-blooded murderers. They are classic hybristophiliacs. It took Kohberger two years to dream up an alibi and all he came up with was, “I was somewhere else.” 🙄

[@mediii8057]

Are they gonna broadcast this case live?

[@just-a-generic-username]

As it stands, if this case moves to trial the judge has ruled that it will be publicly available (streamed)

[@Eelnod]

By the time this actually gets to the actual trial, none of the proposed 400 witnesses are going to remember anything ! I feel for the poor jury who have to endure sitting through 40,000 “I can’t recall” responses

[@WildFireArcher1]

That's what the defense is hoping for.

[@TMCremixes]

Then again he should not be convicted because people remember seeing the case on TV or social media. He should be convicted because evidence presented during trial proves that he is guilty.

[@TinelleReay-cm4ou]

Judge should understand that he is the one that will have to tell state THEY HAVE NO CASE AGAINST BRYAN KOHBURGER 🤦‍♀️

[@mikejohnson9960]

Motion to dismiss needs to be refiled asap. They have no case.

[@warclassics]

You don't know what you're talking about

[@TinelleReay-cm4ou]

@@warclassics ok then who do you think will do it?

[@warclassics]

@@TinelleReay-cm4ou They do have a case against him

[@NoName-ml5yk]

Are you folks going to admit he's guilty after the conviction? Or will we have to put up with conspiracy theories until the firing squad?

[@DG-os8ss]

He's not guilty that's easy to see

[@Ashleylove1995]

Exactly 💯

[@AKNthaKILLA]

He and a hand in things. If not the entire plot. He's not just there for shits and giggles.

[@kenmoseanko8728]

B.S....

[@msdork101]

Nevermind the 8 hr delay right?! Let's ignore the fact that they claimed they were frozen in shock but called others over! Let's ignore the fact that their stories changed! Or the fact that they would have smelled or seen all the blood as gory as it was supposed to be! I mean cmon there was blood on the outside of the house!! OR the glove but no dna test?! The dog definitely would have been barking non stop ...you telling me they decided not to check on him at all and zoned him out...or are we going to act like the fact that the college had so much power in this case to tear down the house ( off campus) before the trial!!! because " its a constant reminder of the murder" is normal?! If it takes you seeing the house to be reminded you obviously don't care enough! Or the fact the defense has asked 13x now for evidence?! Drop the 911 call if Bethany and Dylan are innocent!! It's all a cover up

[@msdork101]

@Kathydawn25 most of these facts came from the police so 🤷‍♀️

[@fckdischit]

"all a cover up" 🤣🤣

[@itbelikedetsometimes2066]

CCI’m and CDC. .

[@itbelikedetsometimes2066]

Z

[@marysage7960]

Yeah in the real world they would and should be in jail… nothing makes sense

[@mstea2234]

Listen closely ppl. Evidence was Taylor made to fit BK.

[@Sweetcitywoman666]

Taylor made 😭

[@jonathanp89]

Think she used an R9

[@allthingsmelissa]

2:14:43 I couldn’t be a lawyer, I would’ve been like “girl you’re doing the most right now”😭 she’s fighting hard for these subpoenas🤦🏾‍♀️ & she makes no sense saying why was the police looking into him before his arrest, because he was a suspect duh🤦🏾‍♀️

[@heatherfitzgerald.]

Must be nice to exist in your reality

[@marysage7960]

I have never thought Bryan was guilty, Ann Taylor and her team has did an awesome job on this case..even tho they have never got what they needed from prosecutors. That has lied from the start.. I hope that Ethan and the girls get the justice they deserve, I feel bad for their families… crooked people deserve to lose their jobs.also the judge is with the prosecutors side.that was a given..it is disgusting what has been discovered this week. I have always heard that it will all come out in the wash and it is

[@mablenay]

How do you think his knife sheath got into that house then, with his DNA on it?

[@mikejohnson9960]

@@mablenay It doesn't belong to him. They can't establish ownership of the sheath.

[@mablenay]

@@mikejohnson9960 they can't establish ownership of his DNA?

[@patrickcloyd3306]

Idaho seems to be playing games. Hand over the evidence. Geez. Are they stalling? This is scary that its not as cut and dry as i thought it would be.

[@sarahethomas2000]

Innocent

[@mediii8057]

hybristophilia much?

[@sarahethomas2000]

​@@mediii8057🤔😂

[@sarahethomas2000]

​@@mediii8057inductive reasoning perhaps?🤔

[@Weebay_213]

I swear sometimes Judge John Judge Jr. Looks like he's at a tennis match. Eyes front eyes right. JJJ

[@calinewcomb2068]

She is very impressive in getting to the nitty gritty of details in how the reports are made… well done to her!… sounds to me like a lot of guess work.

[@Noshitsherlock67]

The prosecution's case is falling apart at the seams.

[@Boondog-j6t]

What exactly are you basing this statement on. The prosecution was not even concerned enough with Sy Ray to even ask him any questions. I think this is because they have the evidence they need to find BK guilty. If they had a weak case they would never seek the Death Penalty.

[@TinelleReay-cm4ou]

All that video that state claims to have turned over to defence doesn’t show BK where their theory puts him!

[@JeffSherlock]

While these various people were placing information at the command center, what was the lead detective doing, his nails?

[@JeffSherlock]

Traffic: The PCA does not state there there is video of these travels, only Payne's theory that a car may have taken these routes.

[@ZZhorses]

It is definitely going in BKs favor imo

[@MovingAlong742]

Well... as they say.... that which is done in the dark will be brought into the light. Looks like the secrecy surrounding this investigation and the prosecutor's need to keep stuff hidden from the defense is finally becoming visible.

[@janinekeyser]

Where's the second half of the hearing??? Was it closed!?

[@just-a-generic-username]

Yes, it was sealed.

[@MovingAlong742]

It has to do with the IGG again. Because the names of the people in the family tree have to be kept private and sealed.

[@Turb_kurt_bangz_610]

The prosecution has a weak case and BK is innocent

[@liverpool2796]

I think he is innocent

[@teresaeames6926]

You guys have to realize that the prosecution doesn’t want all of its case revealed!

[@imabeardsley9280]

Those cops- definitely suspicious.

[@XTINUZA]

FRAMED

[@davidlaffin5747]

This looks like the defense knows the evidence is there to convict bk, so they are looking at ways to have the evidence thrown out on a technically. Reeks of desperation!

[@deeallen3880]

No she is most definitely absolutely sure her client is innocent! Did you not just hear that again in the last hearing. She absolutely knows what she is doing and wouldn’t be stating it in a fact of matter - this ruining her life long career she has had.

[@sharaash6066]

I am convinced she is fishing for any way to save her client which is why I never finished law your job is to make a reason why he is not quilty he did this cant defend a murderer she's a great lawyer but wants to win quilty or not

[@sharaash6066]

You are correct

[@just-a-generic-username]

This looks like you didn't watch the hearing before commenting. You know this evidence still hasn't been turned over to her and this hearing was about getting the judge to compel the prosecution to do it, right? Nothing about having evidence "thrown out" since she hasn't even seen it lol

[@jonathanp89]

Why are you telling yourself you are correct?!?

[@valerieh2014]

Judge won’t acknowledge or apply his power linked to his function. He has bad habits of working in the circumference of Moscow.

[@GmE-q2s]

I just want to see evidence,,❤❤

[@JupiterMoon19]

One thing the county should work on is the microphones or the echo in the room. It’s very hard to understand the words at times.

[@Ashleylove1995]

Bryan is innocent this cop payne is corrupt 💯😢

[@DG-os8ss]

I agree with you they are corrupt

[@Ashleylove1995]

@@DG-os8ss definitely corrupt in Moscow Idaho all the cops payne,fry, Rosie, the most corrupt cops ever 😳 💯

[@SicilCotto]

I agree!

[@AKNthaKILLA]

Bryan isn't completely innocent if at all.

[@Ashleylove1995]

@@AKNthaKILLA ok watch and see 👀 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️go away guilter u people deserve to be in a jail cell so u will know how it feels he's a innocent man get off my post 💀

[@tasst2674]

I am so tired hearing the poor defense attorneys. One trick ponies. Always blame the state and investigation. Do your job. Wouldn’t it be nice for people to admit their bad acts?

[@just-a-generic-username]

She can't do her job until she gets the discovery she's been asking for since early 2023. That's how the legal system works.

[@tasst2674]

@@just-a-generic-username Thank you for your question and I am fully aware of how the legal system works. The state would not withhold exculpable information if they had it. My opinion is this is all grand standing to try and make a case to get rid of the death penalty now that they revoked their right to a speedy trial. Time will tell. Have a nice day.

[@WillaMunroe]

@@tasst2674 If you were fully aware you would know that Anne can't go get that evidence. The federal and state laws say prosecutors MUST provide it themselves. Something tells me you aren't fully aware of how it works...

[@kassidystrain2323]

Get this judge out of here

[@VickiJayne]

Are we able to watch the 2nd bit?

[@lastnihilist9]

guess its sealed?

[@enigma_-_79]

No

[@putthefuinfun1947]

It's sealed. So doubtful it will ever be public

[@ish441]

Payne is soooo creepy

[@45square]

This is like pulling the prosecutors teeth. How grueling for the defense.

[@Chaseh1616]

This is ridiculous! Why are we always interviewing witnesses, but never EVER making decisions? No matter what justice is supposed to look like, this isn’t anything remotely closes to it. Judge is like a flimsy piece of plastic.

[@JeffSherlock]

[What Ms. Jennings was speaking about, was 51 terabytes of data nd thousand of pages of other items, which are all irrelevant to the case against Kohberger.]

[@brie-onymous]

Doesn’t matter. If it’s in discovery, it gets handed over to the defense. The state doesn’t get to decide what is or isn’t relevant.

[@lastnihilist9]

*irrelevant to the prosecutions case

[@LindaD02]

One milestone of a video with fresh eyes could prove innocence. Something in that thousand pages could prove innocence. Could prove guilt. Either way attorneys need ALL info

[@sandrabecht613]

How do you know what is relevant or not?

[@markbalentine-w6d]

you must have forgetten about the computer tower in bryan kohberger apartment and many other things against him Authorities seized several items from the Washington apartment of University of Idaho killings suspect Bryan Kohberger on the day he was arrested, including a computer tower, possible hair strands, and a pillow with a "reddish/brown stain when you collect things at a crime scene and sent it to a lab its called evidence and each part collect together tells you about the crime and the suspect or do you know how evidence collection works at all?

[@muddypawz100]

Is the 2nd hearing sealed???

[@TMCremixes]

Yes, and prosecution tried to have this first hearing sealed as well.

[@jojobee42]

Does anyone who watched this, want to give a summary?

[@slasher323]

He’s Guilty

[@Cinder_311]

​@@slasher323100%

[@RickNeedham]

BK is guilty. He's a dead man walking 🎯

[@JeffSherlock]

@@slasher323 There was nothing dicussed in this hearing pertaining to Kohbgerer.

[@JeffSherlock]

@@RickNeedham Nothing pertaining to Kohberger was dicussed.

[@darcevader3769]

" if the knife sheath doesn't fit, U must aquit!"

[@karennoring613]

Fit what? What is the murder weapon? Where is the murder weapon?

[@European_mess]

@@karennoring613they were just making a joke chill.

[@nikorahm3738]

Is this live?

[@Zoe-ed3vr]

Why is this being dragged out yet again? Bryan is working the system to delay a trial

[@RickNeedham]

It's the defense's only strategy and hope. Delay delay delay. Time makes people's memories cloudy... people pass away. It's their big bus strategy

[@deathgamer8921]

nothing proves he did it.. if you think otherwise.. I'd love to know

[@just-a-generic-username]

You should watch the hearing to answer that question. The prosecution still hasn't turned over the evidence they're required to turn over. Keep up.

[@meee0w134]

@@deathgamer8921 his DNA was found on the knife holder that he left at the crime scene. that alone tells he was there

[@sarahethomas2000]

@@just-a-generic-username exactly

[@ttzz175]

“Clear manipulation of the original data”

[@Jojo3sworld]

An Taylor Is One Heck Of A Lawyer

[@1.IceCream]

Are all murder/death penalty trials like this with all these pretrials and search for a misstep by police to get the accused off?

[@just-a-generic-username]

Pretrial hearings are pretty standard but it's not normal for the prosecutors office to continue missing their deadlines to turn over evidence they have been relying on for over a year.

[@turnyourself85]

Payne is certainly doing better on the stand than Mowery

[@jonathanp89]

Let's be honest, my six year old would do better on the stand than Mowery!

[@tula1433]

They both were atrocious and MPD and Idaho should be embarrassed. BK needs to be given bail. They have no case.

[@HiroshimaMS]

Agree, he knows how to use power point, Mowery only knows how to use the snipping tool, which is a piece of cake, and he is too lazy to save his work.

[@MovingAlong742]

Yes. Not nearly as many I don't knows and I can't remembers. Then again Mowery DID set a record that's hard to beat.

[@WiseChild1987]

Oh Ms. Taylor, you need to watch more KZbin videos 😅 45:18 I think Kohberger drove east on Palouse River Dr and then south near Blaine/Genessee where he turned his phone back on. I bet some of the businesses hadn’t changed the time on their cameras for the switch back to standard time which would account for the video clips from 5 am-6 am. And finally, I think the federal grand jury and/or FBI discovered some other crime(s) Kohberger was engaged in (perhaps digital crimes? interstate commerce crimes?) and they obtained his phone records just prior to MPDs warrants which would explain why the FBI was so quick to produce an initial analysis of the phone pings using timing advance reports, etc. I want to know more about the federal grand jury! Federal grand juries cannot be convened solely for investigative purposes; there must be, at a minimum, suspicion a federal crime was committed. What was the critical piece of evidence Ms Massoth references 2:24:25 claiming was “obtained” through a federal subpoena??? Perhaps evidence Kohberger purchased the knife sheath online? Why isn’t the media (or internet sleuths) covering the federal investigation of Kohberger? I guess I’m probably making the federal angle a bigger deal than it is….

[@Pllm30]

Great comment. Probably the Yt's have no clue when it comes to Federal investigations.

[@KatieBlue16]

Is the 2nd part not being filmed, no?

[@EmmaToney880]

following

[@just-a-generic-username]

The second portion was sealed at the request of the prosecutors.

[@jonathanp89]

Sealed due to IGG stuff that would reveal the name of hundreds of BKs distant relatives I think.

[@KatieBlue16]

@@jonathanp89 Thanks for the info

[@KatieBlue16]

@@just-a-generic-username Thanks for the info

[@KayRae911]

Is the second part not going to be public ?

[@muddypawz100]

I'm wondering the same thing - it seemed like it was going to be public.

[@Indiartworks]

No, it's sealed

[@Windchill141]

Significant locations are missing in the data …. Video … very disturbing - sy ray

[@mariaemoody]

Great to see a defense lawyer really double checking authorities work!

[@ArizonaSquatch]

I don't buy that another resident watched as the alleged assailant walked by her in the same house she lived in. Then she didn't do anything and went back to bed. Didn't call the cops, and instead waited for at least 9 hours after the alleged encounter in her house, and only called friends first. The alleged assailant in my opinion is one of the other roommates or a friend.

[@mikejohnson9960]

Agreed

[@JonahJayTaylor]

I don't think any of that is too farfetched. What do you expect a young college woman to do in that scenario? It could be that she knows what to make of the events if or what was heard was accurate. What I do find peculiar is how she is able to describe the eyebrows of someone which means at the very least a dim light must have been on and being in an enclosed area they would have been aware of each other presence just by a glance. Everything else would have just a matter of shock but not for salient who would have been high on adrenaline so I don't see how he could have overlooked someone he was apparently walking straight towards. Other than that the case seems botched unless the DNA proves to the true.

[@mikejohnson9960]

@@JonahJayTaylor Touch DNA can't be used as the sole basis for the case. It will get overturned on appeals. Many lawsuits for wrongfully convicted people are due to Touch DNA (which is not the same as traditional DNA evidence). If BK gets clear of this he will likely be able to sue for a lot of money. If all they have is the Touch DNA it's difficult to see this being a conviction and even less so being a conviction with any real staying power.

[@kimberleighe_anne]

She was possibly drunk and or high. It happens. And NOBODY knows what they would do in a situation like that. Period. So none of us have any right to judge on what was right and wrong.

[@mikejohnson9960]

@@kimberleighe_anne That's fine if you want to say they remained isolated for 8-9h after the incident. I'll agree that's possible with alcohol or drug use and lifestyle. What rubs me suspicious is calling friends over and the massive amount of people/crowd said by witnesses to be congregating outside the house well before police arrived or were called. With the lead crime scene investigator not arriving until 4 PM, the scene was completely trampled on and manipulated.

[@lauraw3338]

This crime was committed November 13,2022. I think Ann Taylor just started working on this case, ugh!

[@just-a-generic-username]

She's been requesting this evidence be handed over since 2023. She can't work on it if she doesn't have the information, but she's been filing requests and motions for over a year now.

[@christineleal7718]

​@just-a-generic-username agree this is very fishy the judge needs to do his job!!! Give the stuff over this is crazy!!! 4 innocent kids slayed wth is going on in this town!!!!!

[@jonathanp89]

Well MAYBE if the State turned over the information requested by the defense on the 1st Motion to Compel or the 2nd, we wouldn't be here. Instead they are on the 7th motion to COMPEL, and the state still haven't turned over what was requested of them. MAYBE if the FBI turned over the cast-viz reported J.Judge subpoened them to do so 18 MONTHS AGO, we wouldn't be here. But yeah, blame the defense 🙄

[@valerieh2014]

?

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@christineleal7718 I'm not sure what's going on with Judge Judge. It seems like he's very out of his depth here.

[@CrystalRose-us4tb]

Why wouldn’t she have checked with him first then went to the evidence manager to check without using courts time for this bs. I don’t know who is guilty or corrupt but I know this is absurd again

[@laurahack29]

She can’t get it from them. She keeps telling that and the judge hasn’t forced or compelled the appropriate people to hand it over.

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@laurahack29 No one is paying attention which is why the same inaccurate points keep getting repeated

[@xoxsilentrealmxox]

She has been asking the prosecution for over a year now for it and they say they don't have it, doesn't exist. That's why this keeps being drawn out and she needs to keep filing motions over it.

[@Noneya342]

They refused to give it to her. They said the FBI has it and they are waiting for it back. They don’t know where it is. (Bc it didn’t exist) doesn’t exist. They made it up to target Brian.

[@JesJo89]

It's the prosecutors job to hand over their evidence to the defense. Then the defense use that information to prove their clients innocents. It should be readily available.

[@suegeorge1933]

When will the actual trial start? Anyone?

[@just-a-generic-username]

There is no trial date yet because the defense still hasn't received all the discovery, and the prosecution allegedly still hasn't received all the evidence from the FBI. The judge has ruled that it all has to be submitted by a specific date, but the prosecution has already missed multiple deadlines so it's unclear if that will happen.

[@LaLiquirizia]

not b4 spring 2025

[@Pllm30]

I wish the cameras were still there, this is horrible.

[@denisekoenig9479]

If the judge cant handle this and doesnt have. The power to make things happen then it needs ti be passed on to a judge with the power. Head to the Supreme Court i guess

[@jonathanp89]

Not how it works, legally.

[@enigma_-_79]

I love how you’re all experts! 😂

[@denisekoenig9479]

​@@enigma_-_79ik I'm not but ik he needs to go

[@enigma_-_79]

@@denisekoenig9479 You are in no position to critique a man who studied and worked a lifetime to be a judge. Ignoramus.

[@jeanetteappleman1765]

Amen to that @Denisekoenig9479

[@KESnSC]

Taylor is investigating the investigators. I don’t see the point in needing training records among other things I won’t mention. Delays for days. If an investigator wrote a note on a post-it, she wants a copy of it by golly.

[@denisekoenig9479]

I don't blame her

[@45square]

Do you want a podiatrist performing brain surgery on you? This is a death penalty case!!

[@frankcastle7299]

She’s trying to prove her clients innocence! Of course she wants copy’s of everything. That’s her job 😂

[@Motors_Mary_11]

It looks like she’s showing us that they didn’t/don’t actually have evidence to arrest BK, much less hold him in jail, and seek the death penalty. Payne literally lied in the PCA according to his testimony today. He misled the people.

[@Romina1907.]

A police department should have absolutely no problem proving the qualifications of their employees. Every department should be proud to have highly qualified employees who regularly undergo further training. These individuals are paid with taxpayer money and claim to stand for the safety of the community. You should ask yourself why you see this as a problem and why these documents are not handed over as a matter of course when you want to convict a person to death based on the work of these people.

[@sullybiker6520]

Taylor again complaining the the evidence isn't neatly collated and indexed in a binder for her convenience. This is your Job, Anne. If you need help, hire someone to go through it.

[@Romina1907.]

She had expert help, and it turned out that highly important parts of evidence were missing. It's time for Santa and his little helper to finally take their job seriously and produce what they should have delivered over a year ago. The MPD received a lot of help from competent people but still failed to catalog and forward the documents it received. Why is that?

[@karennoring613]

You have got to be kidding!!!! Its the states job to prove guilt. Its the states job to provide the discovery. Not some of the discovery. Not only the discovery they want. All the discovery. She shouldn't have to be filing motion to compel's for discovery. They are not and did not do their job. The state.

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@karennoring613 The people who don't understand that is actually is the job of the prosecution (and a legal requirement) will never respond to comments educating them. They want to blame Ms. Taylor instead of admitting that the prosecution's office isn't infallible. I don't personally understand it, but some people are comfortable to embarrass themselves by refusing to acknowledge facts.

[@WillaMunroe]

It is not her job. USA law on federal and state levels say that it is the prosecutor's job to provide it all. Them giving small bits concealed in layers of unnecessary information is delaying everything.

[@debbied9740]

She is fishing to help her case due to DNA.

[@RickNeedham]

It's called delay delay delay

[@deathgamer8921]

Due to touch dna on a moveable object that nobody saw.. that's inadmissable in court... so you're left with cams/cell towers/drive test data. None of those 3 will make him guilty... the drive test data from his car will show and prove where he drove that early morning.

[@sarahethomas2000]

@@deathgamer8921 yup

[@lastnihilist9]

theres no fishing here.

[@just-a-generic-username]

I thought it was just upholding the law and following the same process every other case has to follow.

[@tammyglasenappsimon4941]

Why are these witnesses testifying if the trial isn't started

[@Indiartworks]

Because there is no trial until 2025 (and later in 2025.) These are pre-trial motions hearings

[@debbied9740]

She fishing due to other evidence the prosecution has. Which none of us know! I'm not ready to throw out this case. If judge dose and I know he has that power then something is up.

[@WildFireArcher1]

It almost seems like AT is questioning witnesses to find the info she doesn't feel like looking for in the discovery. Lol

[@Jelly-Garcia]

@@WildFireArcher1 no one recalls the videos ever existing, and Mowery and Payne point her in circles. The State can’t find them in their own discovery.

[@karennoring613]

@@Indiartworks No. These are motion to compel hearings. The state won't provide all the discovery claiming it does not exist. So the Defense subpoena'd the officers and an expert witness to prove it does exist and where it is in order to make sure the judge knows and orders the state to provide all the discovery.

[@WildSoftail]

The touch DNA on the knife sheath found besides Maddie's body is gonna be his demise even though it's not 100% ... what are the odds that BK's DNA rubbed onto someone else who in turn bought the knife and then committed the murders, although the scenario is possible the odds gotta be astronomical agianst it

[@Zellofogous]

I believe he’s guilty, but he may walk due to a small town police force not being equipped to handle an investigation this large.

[@deathgamer8921]

how so? and he will walk because theres nothing that proves he did it. They could've solved it but are trying to cover it up for whatever reason and this was an easy case that they made complexand confusing for no reason..

[@Zellofogous]

@@deathgamer8921 why do you believe he’s innocent

[@hannahberg296]

You know Moscow PD was assisted by Idaho state police and the FBI……

[@LegendLength]

@@Zellofogous Because it's only touch dna which is easy to use for framing

[@joanna9623]

If he is found not guilty unfortunately his life is ruined either way,and he will be haunted for the rest of his life by people claiming he walked free and he is guilty of this crime.

[@lauraw3338]

Cry me a river Ann Taylor. It’s so frustrating listening to her complain on a daily basis. The judge needs to put his foot down and say enough because if he doesn’t this case will never go to trial.

[@wolfangel1304]

I bet if this was your son you’d be damn happy to have Anne as his or her attorney…might want to wait and watch how how exposes all…

[@sandrabecht613]

prosecution is fishy

[@mandymae100]

Did you even listen to the trial? The lead investigator has no idea what his role is, where evidence is admits he didn't do this the correct way and is actual not an expert. Also can't say where the missing evidence is. What a great lead investigator lol. You cry us a river because this case is trash

[@Amanda3280h]

You obviously have NO IDEA what is actually going on in this process.

[@mandymae100]

Amanda you are sweet. Hold on to that prosecution wishlist.... Santa (bill) will unfortunately disappoint you. In fact the entire state of idaho has been nothing but disappointing in this case. I feel bad for the families. No wonder the prosecution wanted this hearing sealed. Wake up people. The real killer(s) are still out there. The university doesn't want you to know that. That town would dissolve if that universities enrollment falls. Lol. Wake up!!! Follow the money.

[@suegeorge1933]

When is his real trial starting?

[@just-a-generic-username]

Hopefully 2025. The judge gave the prosecutors until September of this year to turn over the discovery (including the items they were supposed to turn over in March and in July of 2023, respectively) so the trial cannot be scheduled until after that's done.

[@jnd0776]

Sounds like this is going to be another Karen Read trial. Im sniffing corruption in the air.

[@LegendLength]

Justin Ross Harris is another example from a few years ago. Got overturned because the DA and police lied about major elements.

[@mrssweetmelissa]

Love how she has spent most of her time trying to find ways to get this trial thrown out and thinking up things that she didn't really need. She is trying to make it look suspicious when it is normal procedure. There has been flawed data found with the program that their expert developed and uses for his court testimony. Look him up and you will see this.

[@theboujieliberian]

You’re one of those people who refuse to admit the truth. The lead investigator doesn’t even know what went on in his case, while pointing fingers at everyone but him. Yet you sit here is say AT is stalling!!!! WAKE THE UP!!!

[@okiegranny4844]

That's what you got from this hearing?

[@just-a-generic-username]

@@okiegranny4844 I don't think OP actually watched the hearing.

[@WildFireArcher1]

When the defense has nothing this is their only option. Along with extensions and anything to delay.

[@MovingAlong742]

@@WildFireArcher1 It's becoming clearer and clearer as time goes on that actually it's the Prosecution who has NOTHING. He's been bluffing this whole time and the gig is up. Clock is ticking on Thompson he best get it together soon.... if he's able.

[@kevinbernard9791]

There's many great judges in the usa but this guy isn't one of them and judge Beverly J. Cannone is not fit to judge?

[@maryr4617]

If…. BK did not do this heinous crime, the thought that an evil, vicious serial killer is on the loose out there frightens me to death, however it if was him at least he is under lock and key.

[@tassia1954]

Oh the killer(s)have flown away from day One!

[@WildSoftail]

I think alot of people following this case are wondering why there isn't more DNA evidence and blood spatter from the stabbing action. In the first two murders of Kaylee and Maddie, I imagine both victims beside each other with sheets and other bed linens such as a possible comforter (It was cold) covering both of them. The killer would have stabbed them through the bed linens and when cocking his weapon for multiple thrusts, most of the blood evidence instead of spattering everywhere, would have been wiped clean by the sheets and comforter material, can't explain with confidence how blood evidence would have been wiped clean from the weapon or prevented from spattering all over with the murders of Xana and Ethan

[@realist4real]

We don’t know there is not more. All Lab results had not returned at the time of the arrest.

[@WildSoftail]

I'm sure there's alot more everybody is waiting to learn about, I'm only speculating

[@lightlydark416]

How many days has this trial been going?

[@nadias.426]

this is not the trial, there hasn’t even been a date set yet for the trial there’s just been a bunch of hearings for different motions set forth by the defense mostly

[@JeffSherlock]

The trial has not started. The trial might not start until March of 2025.

[@Classictail]

The trial isn’t going to start until summer 2025 sadly. Because it’s a death penalty trial, the judge has to be extra careful so BK doesn’t get off on his appeals.

[@moda78z]

It’s not a trial.

[@killereverb3928]

Zero days. The trial hasn’t begun. Duh 🙄

[@SteelMagnolia99]

Laken Riley's killer's trial is this August, six months after her murder. Why is Kohberger getting so much time? It's ridiculous.

[@JesJo89]

Idk that case, but it might be because they had solid evidence that couldn't be argued.

[@just-a-generic-username]

Because the prosecutors still haven't turned over all the discovery evidence they're required to. They can't set a trial date before they give the defense all of the evidence they have to. I would recommend watching the hearings.

[@MovingAlong742]

Send that note to Bill Thompson.

[@WillaMunroe]

This is a typical timeframe for other big cases in Idaho. Prosecutors have to give the discovery first though and they haven't.

[@ShayBraswell]

The ones involved are the ones not being spoken about or the ones who were used to distract others on the outside from the truth by creating the illusion that they were never there at the home at all.. this was obvious by the planned phone calls made by the perps to an ex bf as a way to allude that they were never there but were just being called. The frat boys and all the elders involved in the cover up of a young pledges death are who committed this crime.. it was a crime of passion, and they all agreed to go through with it, because the house and self preservation of those who pledged under it, is what’s most important. The fear of whatever those 4 had to prove their case against one of the oldest fraternities in history with a brotherhood that doesn’t end with graduation but continues on until the end. What would someone do to save themselves from prosecution? Better yet, What would a group of likeminded individuals with a mutual fear of being found out in something they all covered up together….. ppl will do crazy things to preserve themselves from being exposed

[@becyreed]

The Defence don’t seem to know what they have she is wasting time

[@angeliqueflores3954]

No, the prosecutors wasting time, they won't give up what they have. If the prosecution don't have nothing to have they would be given up what she asked for

[@valerieh2014]

It doesn’t yet know what’s there to know

[@davedavid9077]

Judge seems bored and already decided a verdict!!

[@briangunn2278]

The Judge does not make a verdict. The Jury decide the verdict.

[@MovingAlong742]

He is bored, baffled and biased, that's for sure.

[@Jojo3sworld]

Not enough evidence to even have BK in this court room

[@userhandletbd]

there's nothing I hear that makes me question what's in the affidavit. This some to be an exercise of stalling.

[@richardmullins44]

I don't plan to watch this. I would be in a coma after listening to half an hour of this.

[@LoneBerseker]

She knows she has a weak alibi and its gonna crumble

[@Raiseyourvibration-nj3xd]

A weak alibi? lol have you not heard everything that just went on? If she’s going to hire Mr. Ray who will be able to pin point Bryan’s location they are pretty confident he will be where he said he is. Why would he allow his attorney to do something that could 100% get him convicted if he wasn’t confident where he was. Not to mention the state screwed up evidence, lied to get warrants for DNA and search warrants! He’s gonna walk! Everyone knows it.

[@jr9852]

Where’s the evidence they used to arrest him? Where’s the video? Come on with your small brain comments. Think!

[@MovingAlong742]

I think the bigger problem is that the prosecutor has no evidence against him, not enough to convict. In the absence of that..... Kohberger's alibi is not needed.

[@LoneBerseker]

@@MovingAlong742 Well, dna on the knife sheath, and likelyhood. thats all they got from the start.

[@MovingAlong742]

@@LoneBerseker Touch dna, that will be easily crushed by a defense expert witness during trial. If that's all Thompson has, he still has nothing.

[@SierraSnowFrancis]

This is a joke this judge is a joke.

[@emorel48]

This man’s eyes reveal a terrible terrible darkness!

[@Pllm30]

He even acts like it too. Like he just dislikes people generally some of them.

[@dorisimbornone7505]

Does anyone remember what Bryan Koberger said when he was first arrested? Fid you arrest another person? Why would he say that?

[@theboujieliberian]

Steve Goncalves said this! There’s no where else it was recorded that he asked this question!

[@LaLiquirizia]

“allegedly”

[@MovingAlong742]

That's an unsubstantiated rumor. There have been a great many of those in this case. Remember how everyone talked about how he was stalking one or more of the victims? Come to find out. NOT.

[@LaLiquirizia]

@@MovingAlong742 in theory for Idaho law the terminology “stalking” is more complex.. Ann is just playing game there.. but i agree.. there are many things that are sus. AND THE WINNING IS THAT THE HOUSE IS GONE!

[@americanprincess851]

@@theboujieliberianit was Brian Entin that reported this.

[@Boondog-j6t]

Wow! And some KZbinrs say there is no evidence.

[@tula1433]

What evidence did you hear? Be detailed. I didn’t hear anything at all.

[@Boondog-j6t]

@@tula1433 so when the lady from the state detailed all the evidence turned over to the defense, you must have had you speakers muted, because she took about 10 minutes explaining everything that was turned over. Unless you are one of the deniers of everything that the state or LE puts forward, like some on KZbin.

[@theboujieliberian]

@@Boondog-j6tdid you also not here the defense’s rebuttal when she stated though they had received some of the discovery material, some of the information were still missing. For example: the first part of the MAID data was provided which the defense confirmed but were missing the second part “babble” they need that too because it was listed in the inventory.

[@Boondog-j6t]

@@theboujieliberian I agree there is even more evidence to be turned over. And I know that not all of it will show up in the trial, but for the folks saying there is no evidence, it was just mentioned in the hearing and confirmed by myself and now you. The other thing that shocked me was how insignificant Sy Ray testimony seemed to the prosecution. Almost like they know whatever he says doesn’t even matter because they have the solid evidence that they need. The prosecution did not even ask him a single question. If they were worried about his testimony they would have questioned him on his recent case in Colorado, where his testimony was not aloud by the judge. They would have tried to diminish his credability.

[@jeanetteappleman1765]

They could not question Sy Rays credibility. He is clearly an expert. They didn't ask him any questions because they would have just looked like fools. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE

[@Amontillado72]

Judge should be removed! Trial -if there is one- otherwise will be gross