LIVE: MA v. Karen Read Day 2 - Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial | COURT TV

LIVE COURT CAM: MA v. #KarenRead - DAY 2 - Testimony continues in the murder trial against Karen Read. Read is accused of murdering her boyfriend, Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe, whose body was found in the snow outside of a fellow Boston officer’s home in Canton, Mass.
Prosecutors have said Read hit O’Keefe with her car and left him to die in the snow.
But Read’s defense team has said she never hurt O’Keefe and that she is being framed by the true killers, who may have been inside the house where the body was found.
TRIAL NOTES:
00:27:43 ON THE RECORD
00:29:06 STATE #3 - CROSS-EXAMINATION, CANTON PD OFFICER STEVEN SARAF CONT.
01:13:49 STATE #4 - STEPHEN MULLANEY, CANTON PATROL OFFICER
02:21:42 STATE #5 - TIMOTHY NUTTALL, FIREFIGHTER/PARAMEDIC, CANTON
03:38:16 STATE #6 - ANTHONY FLEMATTI, FIREFIGHTER- CANTON FIRE DEPT.
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*TRIAL NOTES:* 00:27:43 ON THE RECORD 00:29:06 STATE #3 - CROSS-EXAMINATION, CANTON PD OFFICER STEVEN SARAF CONT. 01:13:49 STATE #4 - STEPHEN MULLANEY, CANTON PATROL OFFICER 02:21:42 STATE #5 - TIMOTHY NUTTALL, FIREFIGHTER/PARAMEDIC, CANTON 03:38:16 STATE #6 - ANTHONY FLEMATTI, FIREFIGHTER- CANTON FIRE DEPT. #CourtTV Catch up on all the facts of the case against #KarenRead, Killer Or Cover-Up #MurderTrial. ⚖👇 MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?

[@michaelcalland801]

Cops find a body on a lawn & don’t even knock on the door of the homeowner ? Homeowner never comes out to inquire about the 6 police cars & paramedics directly in front of his home with flashing lights? Wasn’t even the least bit curious.?

[@Piat65]

It’s bs

[@Amy-zs8tx]

Yep!! Suspish!

[@stacymcfarland6070]

💯

[@OliviaNile]

One whose face and hands are bruised and scuffed up wouldn’t come out!

[@jorgedavila622]

Definitely suspect but because of who the homeowner is might of thought it was best to let the police do their job and not seem like he was interfering.

[@debbielemons1576]

Definitely a difference in listening to the prosecution 😴 to the defense 😳

[@TongueLashing-ih7cu]

How can you say it is a cover-up before the trial began and the facts are all revealed. This trial is tunnel vision and the prosecution will not win because complete idiots/fansonly supporters of Karen have lost their minds. This is a trial, not a reality show.

[@barrettlori9249]

Prosecution, not factually convincing 😢

[@caseyvincent6817]

It's hard for their witnesses to keep their lies straight. Those officers are shameful. I feel sorry for their families because they have made complete fools of themselves and each other. Someone lost their life and their egos mattered more and they don't have any care over taking away Karen's life too throwing her in prison for something she didn't even do.

[@New_Zealand_1]

One thing about telling the Truth ... is that your Story NEVER changes

[@9freshness]

Judge is obnoxious. That voice and tone.

[@jennifermelendez9502]

She is and she breathes hard. She is truly annoying

[@MitzaMae]

Can’t stand her!

[@joemichaud5611]

@@jennifermelendez9502 tough job and the microphone is very sensitive

[@ivanvillamil2764]

Is the first judge that I have listened to her voice and personality that I don’t like. Plus other judges reminding jurors instructions , cover other issues and they thank the jurors. It feels like a bench trial.

[@LegendLength]

She seems to take the law seriously that's all that matters really

[@TheSonalithatte]

Disappointing that the judge is not asking basis for objections raised

[@brandybiscoff9685]

The judge explained pre trial that she doesn’t want speaking objections. She’s a lawyer, she knows what’s admissible & knows what the objection is over. She calls for a sidebar if she needs more info.

[@OliviaNile]

@@brandybiscoff9685 ⁠​⁠False. Speaking objections and giving the grounds for an objection are two very different things. The judge precluded counsel from stating the grounds for their objection. This is highly abnormal. Most if not all judges are lawyers. That’s hardly relevant to her decision to eliminate counsels’ ability to give grounds for, or conversely hear grounds of, an objection. More likely, it’s because she’s aware she’s overwhelmingly outclassed by the defense attorneys and unable to think on her toes like they are, hence the sidebar rule-allowing her more time and for the public to not know whether her ruling on said objection, or any objection for that matter, was appropriate or fair.

[@MFC7625]

Omg! The McCab woman went into the house that morning!!!! That's huge!!!! What did she say to Kerry when she moved backward? I think these 2 women are involved.

[@brendaschena2841]

Can you please tell these 2 fools that are reviewing the trial with you that this is a murder trial and clapping your hands like a giddy child is disrespectful to the family.

[@Freethemotherfknunicorns]

Judge sighing everytime defence speaks

[@lindafinch1520]

Yes, her bias is not subtle. She should have excused herself.

[@kniffel1982]

I was just getting ready to comment the same thing. Totally uncalled for.

[@Candie620]

Normally judges side more with the prosecutors because many judges were former prosecutors. But for the most part they’re supposed to stay natural.

[@brandybiscoff9685]

To be fair, she heavy breathes no matter who is talking. Makes me wonder if she has COPD or something??

[@MVHomestead]

To be fair, everyone that’s been close to their microphone has been heard “heavily” breathing and exhaling. 🤷‍♀️could just be an audio situation.

[@MFC7625]

No pieces of taillight found! There was snow under his body! So, how do they explain it was starting snowing at minight or so, and his body is ABOVE the snow? McCab woman entered the house in the early hours. How come Brian Albert never showed up at the scene??? That's huge!!!!!

[@926paaja]

And why didn’t anyone in the house come out with all the activity???

[@MFC7625]

The jacket has disappeared because it was covered of scratches from the dog and DNA? The belt is also missing. The clothes ended up in Proctor's car....

[@TongueLashing-ih7cu]

Where is the sympathy for the victims family? The supporters are making fools of themselves. Each one should be a shamed of themselves and need to get a life. Karen is loving this and I guarantee she will make blood money of the dead person. I guarantee she will write a book about her “Poor Me” victim life after the trial and make a ton of money. Shame on her! Such a Karen!

[@MFC7625]

What was the McCab trying to hide when going to the house at 6am? How come the Alberts never got out to assist a fellow officer once again? How come the body was above the snow? How come no pieces a red tailight were found at that time?

[@retro000]

All exactly!!! The judge is biased too, this whole trial is flying monkeys, just watch what happens to the fan😂

[@angelicarmor0412]

😂.

[@user-jw3ts8ym5q]

​@@TongueLashing-ih7cuThat's your opinion Jenn

[@joancollins522]

That fire fighter/parademic is a credit to his profession.....and I have never seen such a cramped courtroom....judge/witnesses/defense/prosecution...notto mention the people who are just there to watch proceedings.... practically sitting on top of each other with barely room to move...

[@CrazySexyCool999]

That was intentional and strategic to use a small courtroom to prevent so many protesters from being in the gallery

[@sherryporsch9349]

“I hit him” “ I hit him” Odd no one else heard that. ? 🤔

[@kimpatterson7171]

The paramedic claims he heard her say that too. This has got to be the WORST cop ever 🙄🙄

[@LegendLength]

@@kimpatterson7171 It's not unreasonable that cops would be friends with some paramedics

[@caseyvincent6817]

Based on what you hear Karen saying on the police officers dash cam I think it's more likely she was repeating "I left him" not saying "I hit him". She was in shock possibly even still a bit drunk. There's no way she hit him with her car and there be no evidence of that happening. No debris around the body no bodily injury to his torso. I don't see her hitting with her rig so hard he falls down and passes out and she doesn't notice or care cause she obviously did care for him.

[@New_Zealand_1]

Where is the missing shoe? Even a drunk person wouldnt step out of a car onto snow to visit a friends house wearing just a sock on one foot?

[@Piat65]

Exactly

[@danielarafalt2144]

Why does the judge sigh at 1:51 and in other places? It is weird!!

[@danaking-esquer598]

Right? She sounds miffed at having to be there. 🤔

[@Snail.1]

He's probably sighing so much wondering why all these dumb people think there's a conspiracy lol

[@Meowmeowmeowing1]

She is clearly biased against Karen, but no one would expect the judge to go against the boys in blue

[@AshleySHM]

I know, so strange…she almost sounds annoyed

[@TreesRLifeX]

It’s like she forgets this is the job she wanted

[@janeferguson1246]

Wow! I haven't followed this at all and k ow nothing about it until I watched Vinnie Politan last night. WHAT cop would not put ",it's all my fault" in an initial police report? I also watched his face and he was doing a lot of weird stuff with his mouth when answering all the questions about his reports. The time stamps and weird videos and him already have me wondering!

[@fredpayne7581]

Your question is spot on... answer is... a lying cop.. trying to cover someone's be-hind

[@MVHomestead]

Yup this case stinks of corruption and covering

[@debbielemons1576]

Wow that police officers tone sure is more clear and firm when answering the prosecution 😮😂

[@lisawileman2342]

That's what I noticed too. He's much more subdued and non-committal

[@allaboutcrime1972]

All I can say is that the defense is winning this battle so far. Jackson and Yanetti are a dream team. These cops did a terrible job at this investigation. This could be anyone in Karen Read's position. That's scary.......🤬

[@susanwhalls6230]

Or in John O’Keefe’s position or his kids’ position..

[@Nonna0228]

I hope this jury senses how the judge doesn’t seem to be fair to the defense

[@pwilly_1]

👍🏻. Biased judges are sadly a thing. Showing her blatant bias is next level..!

[@Nonna0228]

@@pwilly_1 being framed makes ya think who all can be involved or helping to not let the truth come out huh?

[@violatrujillo]

Blatantly pro prosecution.

[@kellyjean3973]

Yes, I keep saying over and over she should have been forced to step off this case. She is not fair at all. And I don’t have a strong opinion either way although I lean a bit more one direction but this judge is so biased and it’s clear to anyone.

[@TwiztidPain]

She is simply doing her job.

[@lisawileman2342]

Wow defense is awesome. I would hire him as my trial lawyer.

[@chloer2584]

Alan Jackson has a 96% success rate and is named one of the best 100 lawyers in California

[@tru3293]

Why do they not have to state what the objection is?

[@buntybaggins536]

I've been wondering this since yesterday too, the only thing I can think of is that they've had a preliminary hearing or have stipulated that certain evidence shouldn't come in?

[@brandybiscoff9685]

Yep the judge told them at one of the last pre trial hearings that neither side is to make speaking objections, or even the legal basis for objection. She told them just to say objection & she would rule or call a sidebar if more info is needed.

[@michelleblake4516]

Talk about the need 4 total control - this judge is trying 2 control every bit of questioning the defense whats 2 ask. She's looking pretty biased already : (

[@janeferguson1246]

I've never seen a seasoned detective to be so non-committal in answering questions about actual facts and police procedure in a court...unless....

[@janeferguson1246]

No cop remembers anything...odd !

[@PennyMonroe]

@@janeferguson1246 What does that mean? Do you have any idea how tough it is to be a cop? They see dozens of people, are called to multiple locations all day, every day. No occupation can remember every detail unless it's fresh on their minds and no other distractions.

[@heatherbaldwin3750]

@@PennyMonroe so then why are they testifying as fact, only to be proven liars

[@PennyMonroe]

@@heatherbaldwin3750 Yawn.

[@kimpatterson7171]

@@janeferguson1246 this is why they are suppose to write things down 😂😂

[@Stickofbutter9]

Using a leaf blower at a potential crime scene! wow just wow🙄🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TreesRLifeX]

Snow* but I agree lol

[@SarLizNoo]

@@TreesRLifeX they actually did say leaf blower, oddly enough lol. I think the cop was walking around with it to move around the top layer of snow to look for tail light pieces. So basically disturbing the scene lol

[@TreesRLifeX]

@@SarLizNoo fair enough. I thought I heard snow blower but I was working while listening so could have just assumed that’s what was said

[@ashlaunicaalpari4584]

lol if there WAS any evidence… it’s “gone with the wind” now 💨

[@LegendLength]

Also they didn't take photos of the lawn before searching for evidence. Seems strange to rush like that considering the victim died already.

[@MoJo53000]

This is fascinating. Great lawyering!

[@Breezy1702]

How convenient to use a leaf blower to get rid of the footprints that could possibly incriminate people in the house

[@allaboutcrime1972]

How cone these cops didn't have their body cams on. So far all we have seen is dashcam. Does Canton have body cams because I thought all PD have them.

[@CrazySexyCool999]

Great inquiry! It’s called..Crooked

[@vanessaprante1648]

Not all PD do yet unfortunately. Idk about them but based on other things they have been found to be likely guilty of (SA of a 7 y/o girl who was ki11ed), they may not yet.

[@allaboutcrime1972]

@@CrazySexyCool999 yep exactly!! Shame on them. They get paid good money and can't even do a thorough investigation using common sense.

[@juanacastillo7154]

Firefighter at the stand is top notch 👍⚖️

[@juanacastillo7154]

never a good idea to drink and drive . ⚖️

[@Piat65]

Wouldn’t she have to be traveling faster to hit him hard enough to break the taillight ?

[@redsassyfox1912]

Yes you’d think so

[@brand219]

This judge is biased and it is very plain to see. I don't know if the defendant is guilty or innocent, would prefer to hear the entire trial and evidence first, but the judge has very strange behaviors that benefit the prosecution it seems. And the sighing... What in the world?

[@debbielemons1576]

These cops are so evasive 😮😅

[@Wheelbarrowz]

Officer Saraf is an overweight cop just trying to last another couple years for that pension. Embarrassment

[@SusanRidyard]

Its disgusting how that judge always sighs when the defense asks questions. Somebody needs to point out that shes doing this. I dont know how the judicial system works in America, but i would want her taking off the case and another judge appointed

[@vanessaprante1648]

This can likely be used for an appeal IF she is found guilty

[@AllDayVapor]

I think it's because of the defense is a joke. I mean really you think a bunch of cops beat them up. Scratches on his arm. Obviously from a female's fingernails. Lexus SUV bumper to the forehead. They want you to believe that he went eight rounds of Mike Tyson. Simply not the case. She hit that man bumper or tail light of that SUV!

[@Micrazygirl]

Please don’t do the RED BORDER on the video, that confuses as a watched video, put another color pleaseeee!

[@donnapatten285]

lol

[@heatherbaldwin3750]

Anyone else get nauseous when the judge flaps her jaw?

[@debbielemons1576]

Isn't this the same police district that is in the news in consideration for the sexual assault of a 15 yr old girl that wound up deceased?

[@lesiamuzyka7673]

Yes

[@stacymcfarland6070]

Omg

[@New_Zealand_1]

Firemen are so different to Cops in their attitude and professionalism

[@katherinedinwiddie4526]

Nice job

[@debbielemons1576]

Oh he was on the lawn, I thought since they're trying to say she hit him he'd be more on the road. Hmmm

[@TreesRLifeX]

Right. I hope that point gets directly made. It doesn’t make sense.

[@lindaaitken7679]

So he couldn't have tried to crawl there himself before he died?

[@TreesRLifeX]

@@lindaaitken7679 that’s possible. But how do you explain no damage to his lower body?

[@suebdoo5152]

He could have been bending down when hit

[@TreesRLifeX]

@@suebdoo5152 I can’t visualize his body being in any position, even bent over, where only his face got hit. And how that would have been enough to incapacitate him enough that he would have fallen over and not been able to get up.

[@barrettlori9249]

1:52:00 Question for the officer's....."Was anyone comforting Karen Read?" 🤔

[@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654]

No wonder trails take so long. They have the weekend off, all kinds of half days then tomorrow off too? Same with Daybell trial.

[@cristipratt2844]

Were there tire tracks on the lawn/ snow?

[@lorrainemartinez3050]

Where’s thee foot prints of placing the body outside!

[@angelicarmor0412]

Wooooww. Defense coming out with a BANG! Something as simple, yet extremely important, as the dispatch log is inaccurate!?

[@daniebond]

So why is no one asking why NO one from the house came outside to check on why all the police ambulances and fire engines were at their house? And especially after that one female went in the house?? I find that so very strange!! If Karen Read was screaming that certainly heard that from in the house.. Please make it make sense

[@Candie620]

How many times is the prosecutor going to say “sorta”! 🙉

[@mazie7952]

Maybe the snow by that time covered them up if it were blizzard like conditions But where his body appears to have been found doesn't appear to be near the driveway so you would have to drive on the lawn and down the curb? Confusing

[@vanessaprante1648]

Yes his body wasn’t covers except “dusting”. He has not been out there 6 hours.

[@Candie620]

“What, if anything” …over and over by the prosecutor!

[@annemontanaro3795]

Who cares how long McCabe talked to the Canton Police Officer

[@evaarnold9396]

THE DOG TOOK THE SHOE OFF!! MY PIT BULL DID THAT ALL THE TIME TO MAKE YOU SUBMIT

[@AllDayVapor]

He was drunk probably fell in the snow. Or when she hit him with the car the shoe went flying

[@EricKeen-ff5mw]

@@AllDayVaporflying to where…outta space!!

[@kimpatterson7171]

These are best witnesses the prosecutor could find? 🙄🙄 They can't recall anything & they don't write anything down.

[@shantelwalker8879]

Why do they not have to say what the objection is for?

[@CrazySexyCool999]

1:26:17 this officer was one of the first on the scene, helped to lift the victim’s body or placed a board under him but doesn’t recall any observations of the victim, not even his clothing, but he recalled frozen water (aka ice) next to the victim’s face? 😮😢

[@melflores6]

This judge. Wow. I don’t know anything much about this case and am learning along with the jury, but I’ve watched enough trials to know that the judge is supposed to be the judge of the LAW only and the jury judges the evidence. This judge doesn’t hear the reason for an objection before ruling? The lawyers could just throw objections out when they don’t like something and see “what sticks”…no need to actually know the law. This is weird.

[@evaarnold9396]

THE JUDGE HAS AN ATTITUDE TOWARDS DEFENSE - SHE IS NOT SUPPOSE TO

[@New_Zealand_1]

Can you please stop SHOUTING 😂

[@doreenhuston9623]

Did anyone notice the vehicle when this cop pulled up to the scene. If that was Ms. Reed’s vehicle the tail lights did not look broken.

[@tonyawells570]

Get rid of this judge!!!!

[@CrazySexyCool999]

3:22:21 the firefighter/paramedic is a professional witness and was asked his professional opinion. That objection should’ve been overruled without sidebar.

[@retro000]

What about a fair trial???? This judge is appalling. How qualified is she to be so undignified with her attitude and behavior that is very clearly biased,prejudiced,unprofessional, and taints the case. If i was on that jury I would make a song and dance about her interference. Disgusted. Its subtle but damaging

[@redsassyfox1912]

Honestly someone should let them know how this behavior is affecting the court room, it is us and we’re not in the room! It’s so distracting and super unprofessional! Hate your job QUIT

[@lorrainefairfield774]

Questions: responding paramedics say visibility not good due to heavy snowing, yet Reid spotted boyfriend’s body in the snow through foggy car windows even though those in car with her could not see it. Reid starts mouth to mouth resuscitation. After doing that Reid later asks if the body is her boyfriend’s? Huh? Who did she think she was giving CPR to? She spots a body on the lawn at the house she dropped her boyfriend off at, gives that body CPR and then asks if it is her boyfriend’s”? While paramedics worked on victim’s body Reid yelled “I hit him” either in response to the paramedic’s question or stating it to another female. Why would Reid yell “I hit him” without knowing the actual cause of his death or whether it was her boyfriend? That statement implies she knew he was hit with a car. Plus paramedics said they did not identify the body until he was in the ambulance, so Reid already knew it was her boyfriend even though she was asking if it was her boyfriend. Officer stated Reid left the scene and returned later. Where did she go, and why did she leave? There seemed to be an issue about whether victim had a jacket or hoodie. Was he wearing the same clothes he had on at the Waterfall? Did police ever find his lost shoe? Why did police not question anyone in the house where the body was found on a lawn and ask if the victim was a family member or a visitor? Why did they not question anyone in the house if they heard any noice or any commotion outside? Why were home residents not curious about a body found on their lawn and offer what they knew or didn’t know to the police. Why wouldn’t residents of the home come out after hearing Women screaming and seeing ambulance and police cars outside on their lawn?

[@hectornegron9155]

Where's the other half of this lieutenant's testimony?

[@barrettlori9249]

Karen, probably suggested by home owner "you hit him!" Like Uncle Vinny movie ...Karen ASK... "I hit him?????"

[@marypirasteh2359]

Julie grand excellent opening statement today we all agree on Karen Reed, killer officer 👮‍♀️ 😢😢

[@debbielemons1576]

Poor Judge, she just sighs...hearing the same thing repeated 😊 hope she's paying equal attention.

[@AllDayVapor]

Where is day 3

[@AshleyJennings-gi6pg]

Long Break .. when do they come back ??

[@Alison1973]

Half day on Thursday and then not until Monday I guess.

[@annemontanaro3795]

Did the responding Canton officer have a body cam? If so wouldn't that be more useful.

[@carrollherzog3313]

I hope her legal team shows how much she loved and cared for his niece and nephew. He got upset when she spoiled them? She clearly loved them and understood how tragic their story is. My God loosing your mom and dad within weeks as a young child. Most of their arguments were probably under the influence. Why the heck don’t cops Uber?

[@sarahusa241]

I’m very interested in this dynamic between her and the kids. They were old enough to have an opinion and I’m wondering how they feel about Karen before and after this. I’ve read somewhere can’t remember that they DID NOT like her and John okeefe felt like she was mean to them.

[@Alison1973]

I agree, why doesn't everyone Uber if they're gonna be drinking. Especially cops!!! They should know better. I understand cops think they'll get out of a DUI but the simple fact of killing someone or themselves is crazy to me!! Coos don't think the law applies to them sometimes.

[@vshep2669]

Lawyers always “twist “ witnesses words….

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

It’s possible that the victim was beaten and dog attacked him first, then murder and officers who beat him carried his body outside and left him on the ground and then was backed into because he wasn’t in view. Her not knowing what took place originally assumed she caused his injuries. Then latter the truth came through. The truth will always rise to the surface.

[@F_Tim1961]

There's a big problem with the sub basal skull fracture . You don't get that from falling on to the ground. You get that from a baseball bat or falling onto a concrete floor. THose dog bites came from fingernails. There are five parallel ones in one case. That German shepherd was got rid of just to confuse matters. There is a snow plough driver who is yet to testify who they say will testify he saw KR's truck adjacent to where the body was found at the time that KR said she was driving around looking for O'Keefe. If the Alberts were involved , what were they going to get out of it ? I suspect KR expected to get a police life insurance payout if if was found as an accidental death. TE. Fidler

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

@@F_Tim1961 Karen isn’t married to the victim. I haven’t heard of any life insurance policy. The black car near the body wasn’t Karen’s car. It was a FORD. Anyone can tell those are scratches from an animal on his arm. The basement of the house he was at was completely cleaned out. Dog is now rehomed. That house the victim was beat up at is for sale or soled. Not only that, that house was in that officer’s family for generations. Why would he sell it now? There’s way too much pointing at the men who were all together that night at that house then there’s anything against Karen. Yes, backing up slowly into someone you can’t see isn’t going to cause the injuries that Johnny endured. They went nuts on him.

[@F_Tim1961]

@@margaretmorris-calderon2826 . Ok it was a Ford so it was not Karen R checking out if JOK was dead... that's the impression people have received. Rhetorical question - why would KR say to the desk cop that she had "pulverised " JOK that night when she was charged with second degree murder ? it's as if she thought the car had gone over him and squashed him but her intent was to claim it was a backing accident ? and it would cover up the assault that caused the basal skull fracture ? Problem is - the Lexus SUV clearly has too much ground clearance over a prone man , or she in fact never did back over him. (??) The scratches appear to be too far apart to be dog claw marks . ditto dogs have four main claws on the front paws. In a serious dog attack the dog would attack the hands too. NOthing adds up - the dog is a patsy I think. LE should have gone to huge efforts to track down said dog. Ditto the mishandling of the clothing by det. Proctor suggests somebody wanted zero testing for G Shepherd DNA done. This could easily go to a hung jury but the "pulverise " comment is a huge problem for KR. Ditto phone / SMS messages she sent to JOK which showed her rage against him. TEF

[@F_Tim1961]

@@margaretmorris-calderon2826 If KR smashed the tail light backing into John then surely he 'd have leg bruising where the bumper hit him because the force required to smash that light is considerable. Plus the chances of at least one wheel running over some part of his body ...? THe whole story is nuts including her supposed admission on the night that she did it. It has all the look of a staged crime but it looks as if she wanted to take a fall for a serious motor vehicle accident to cover for others (who may have been executing a serious beating on her behalf ... ?). I could see it going to a mistrial and then the state having to give up, after trying to negotiate a plea deal. Her lawyers are competent and are pointing fingers in all the conspiratorial directions. KR of course went nuts and accused O'Keefe of doing various boy stuff. But she sounds like a general nutcase so perhaps he wanted to move on and avoid her. The book ended differently. TEF

[@New_Zealand_1]

Alcohol and Anger are a Bad Mix

[@Piat65]

Mistrial

[@scottwoodruff1761]

Judge is obviously biased against the defendant / defense.

[@nursecollins77]

I've heard the judge loudly sigh attest 3 times 5 minutes into rye defense cross examination. Far too often this is type of bias I observe while watching these trials. If it's a search for the truth, why is it so apparent that the judge and the prosecutor seem to be on the same side? Justice isn't as blind as it was designed to be.

[@AllDayVapor]

It's because the defense is a joke. Definitely a stretch. A bunch of cops beat them up and framed her. Lol. I guess that's the best they can come up with

[@cathymann6917]

Oh dear...sounds like paw enforcement, medical personnel have had time to agree the same story! "I did it"

[@sherribudka8104]

The sighing from the judge when the defense is talking is disturbing!

[@vanessaprante1648]

I feel like Off Sharaf tried to do the right thing, but is caught in a rock and a hard place with his fellow officers. Im struggling to make him be the bad guy. I doubt he changed the dispatch log or other bs. He said she was focused on the Vic and trying to do CPR. (I’m only at that part so far so I don’t have a full judgment). I just think as of now he isn’t intentionally trying to make KR the actual murderer. I think his testimony is what’s helping show the shadiness of the everyone else. But again, I’m not done watching everything. My opinions are based as someone who is an investigator and has to testify. Yes KR may come across as overly confident or cocky…..but that doesn’t mean she is a killer. A drunk, yes. Sidenote: am I the only one who thinks she looks like Lori Vallow 😮

[@frrrrp]

Your boyfriend and co-parent of two little kids dies, you grab a bag and never see the fam again?? Either way tragic situation for these families. Booze is bs.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

No one is talking about this! The biggest indicator of her guilt imo

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Biggest indicator of her guilt !

[@Micrazygirl]

How hew not covered with snow ?

[@Wheelbarrowz]

My guess is because the body was warm inside . Already dead and placed in the snow after the “hos long to die in snow” google search at 2am

[@MFC7625]

O'Keefe didn't have a jacket in the bar. The jacket is not in the inventory. Have they changed his clothes in the house to remove any trace of DNA? Where is the jacket?

[@New_Zealand_1]

So the Scratches and Head Injuries could have been from Fingernails and Fists

[@AllDayVapor]

Yes and I find it very likely scratches came from a female's fingernails! This is a key fact. It is very unlikely men scratch when fighting. Therefore I don't believe he was beat up by cops. Leaning towards guilty

[@babyjane87]

@@AllDayVaporthere was females in that house with the males and also a dog

[@AllDayVapor]

@@babyjane87 yeah but they also have evidence of her vehicle traveling in reverse 60 ft at over 20 mph. Right in front of the house according to her vehicle computer. And the biggest one, John's hair found in the tail light. Now I'm really leaning guilty

[@Meowser186]

The "what if defense".

[@lizziekelley6620]

Why do we have to hear bev sigh

[@NanaPiper]

I understand the mistakes with the address around 39 min

[@Kathy670]

Isn’t that something all of them did different number on the house come on

[@mackman77095]

Is the theory that she pulled away, threw it in reverse, hit him, then went forward, then backed up into him again where she broke the tail light? where did the cuts on his arm come from?

[@Ginger_H]

The judges sighing is… well it’s something.

[@doreenhuston9623]

I think I would want to know if any of the witnesses, who never heard her say she hit him, have been approached and asked to lie about what happened that night.

[@TheWizardOfEgo]

Judge Bev does not like defence asking questions about McCabe - she sighs throughout defences cross

[@TongueLashing-ih7cu]

Vinnie Politan made a great point. Look at the reception Karen gets compared to John O’Keefe’s family. They lost their son. The poor Dad can barely make it up the stairs, and his mom is absolutely heartbroken. While Karen struts in like a celebrity. Clearly, the supporters are delusional.

[@stacymcfarland6070]

Albert is a rogue cop. Can see it in his eyes.

[@cmtx3195]

the whole trial is going to be unwatchable if the prosecutor's voice remains so quiet and unclear, has nobody noticed this? jeez 🙄

[@starsalways7922]

Yes, and it's a tactic used by lawyers/prosecutors in order to put the jury to sleep. "Nothing to see here, nothing stands out, business as usual, don't pay attention to it." They use it all the time, control the tempo control the narrative.

[@Jina_G]

Those police officers should be sacked and replaced. They are way too dumb for the job.

[@hodawg7762]

I'm telling ya...he don't even have snow on him when he pulls up.

[@cynthiaborrego8040]

I have to say this I am amazed how great Higgins is doing Omg he has this defense attorney going and for people to say he is a cop and knows how to reset a phone so do I factory reset this defense attorney and Karen's side kicks need to get a life Remember who passed away a good cop John the Boston police officer 🙏🙏 only reason Karen has those people walking around with sign's only for attention 😂😂😂

[@Breezy1702]

And also the defense let the Jury know that the leaf blower could also get rid of dog prints paw prints that’s why they use the leaf blower. They’re not stupid.

[@GeorgeeGirl]

Karen Read hit him and dragged him

[@milart12]

No kidding. This conspiracy theory is contemptible.

[@hanginthere65]

so far, I see lying, crooked cops...absolutely pathetic. ....i hope the truth comes out and there is complete accountability and repercussions for this "in house" production.

[@lisamcghee7192]

Did anyone ask if the outerwear he was wearing was torn? Did I miss that?

[@hauntsforhope]

His coat was not found. He was wearing only a sweatshirt and was missing a shoe, also never found.

[@sandcastlesp]

They later found shoe near by when snow melted. I think Karen said he walked out w no jacket. I think he got out to leave her rage when arguing & she drove off in anger but decided to reverse bc she was raging

[@beeslikesteve]

i love TIMOTHY - hes cool af