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[@jasonweaver3629]

Of the many hundreds (if not thousands) of HiFi / audio gear / review etc KZbin videos I have watched this was easily, hands-down the best thing I have seen and heard. The mutual respect and friendship was so positive, just the smiles on each of your faces doing this was such an energy rush, so nice to see different sides of each of you and so much great information just flowed, it was just brilliant, thank you.

[@aiforus]

LOVE this conversation. Thanks so much for the both of you and what you do.

[@thesonnytackettshow7949]

The reason you like the presentation of great headphones over great speakers is because with phones you are taking the room out of the equation. The sound is straight to you instead of the included room response, resonance, problems, etc. Crin is completely right about soundstage becoming much more apparent on headphones. I’ve used some of the most expensive studio monitors and still would listen on phones also to check things like soundstage, imaging, etc. Very much enjoyed the conversation, Sonny T

[@katalysis]

My two favorite audiophile KZbinrs

[@mic44lee44]

Crinacle You are The Best and Opened Me Up To a Whole New World and That Is Listening to Music The Way It Was Made To Be Listened Too 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Throught IEM’S 😊😊 Thank You

[@patrickdanneker5480]

Great live stream guys

[@martinsVcm]

I believe the point that makes kz keep the drivers there even if they are not working is simply to charge more. "We have more components, so we can charge you more for it". The case you mention where they didn't choose to remove the driver and instead f* up the tuning by turning it on is mostly cause of this. They would probably be pressured to lower the price.

[@tonmeister86]

Andrew: I don't think many audiophiles hang out at the beach so no need for a security detail for Crinacle :)

[@zbatevp-vlogs610]

Actually the KZ situation makes the community more tangible (for me).. I mean it draws me closer to the Global Community, not just in the local "secluded" group .

[@CptMark]

It's always great when you're riding with the king.

[@rhalfik]

We need a preference target for keyboards. With a slight boost in the thock and a toned down clack.

[@ChrisKeyman]

Hello, which iem would you suggest for mixing and mastering? Thank you!

[@Jon-nz3dm]

Andrew, your head must be HUGE. I have tried many and currently own 3 Focal headphones(Clear MG, Elex, Radiance), and none of them clamp hard at all for me. I can see how they don't keep stretching wider like many headphones do so that's understandable for big heads. I find the LCD-X 2021 has like no clamp sadly, and I would love just a little clamp force for it since it's heavy. The only headphones that clamped me hard were the 58X/6XX(all Senn's with that build can be eased up bending the steel) and the Beyer's like the 1990(those pads are hard though).

[@RdandTrk1]

Just looking for some opinions here. I have AKG K371s, Sennheiser HD 6XX, and Audio Technica M50Xs. I'd like to get either DT 770, 880, or 990. Which of those would offer something the most different from what I already have? I'm going for variety of sound so I don't want one that sounds like something I already have. Thanks a ton in advance.

[@GinsuSher]

I've been to singapore and the amount of audio stores that lets you try out things are awesome and horrifying at the same time. Maxed out one of my credit cards during one visit. (Japan is also like this)

[@nicktan4530]

You sure ? Where are you from ?

[@BillyKueekSG]

Interesting! Which stores did you visit that have things to try? I am Singaporean and mostly buy things based on recommendations by reviewers whom I share their assessments on audio stuff. I actually liked that in US, they can return something after trying and they didn’t like it

[@imwhatsnew]

Well that was fun..

[@inscythe]

Regarding the KZ CRN, I do hear the BA timbre too. My guess is that the BA is not loud enough to alter the FR, but enough to colour the timbre. I had this discussion with my sound engineer friend and he's suspecting that all the drivers in the unit are tuned to the same FR curve on from 1k onwards. Crin probably needs to trust his ears more.

[@h_enrix_92]

It's all about frequency response. Some drivers can reach specific frequencies more easily and others don't. But that doesn't mean a DD can't have the timbre of a BA or a BA can't have the bass response of a DD. Driver technology matters, of course, but in most cases, it comes to the tuning quality. About the KZ CRN situation, I believe they connected the drivers for marketing purposes, but as they don't know how to deal with them, they just put them at a very low volume so it wouldn't screw up the tuning, obviously leaving only the DD audible and working.

[@iNViSiBiLiTi]

Yeah, the BA and EST play at -60db under the DD, is that what you mean by tuning?

[@Wingedmagician]

Great stream

[@JennyDarukat]

Heyyyy, biodyna lovers yet exist 👀 do you actually own one still @crin? I've been in love with this series of headphones ever since I got a D5000 heavy used and abused in 2016 - had a D2000 after, and now a heavily modded TH-610 since release (low 3-digit model number) and a busted TH-600 for fixing up. These are just something special, both stock and fun to mod.

[@h4tch3tt74]

Resolve I realize the stream is from a year ago but you might want to check out the zilent switches. Very good silent key switches. Though a bit expensive

[@maxb.simonsen2459]

The higher tolerance to bass coming from speakers could also be related to in room response, you might not gain +12dB of bass at 30Hz at the listening position.

[@BillyKueekSG]

My apologies, what did Crinacle said his favorite closed back headphone is? Didn’t catch it

[@Merkava76]

I'm late to this and ordered two sets of KZ Crn two days ago and have not heard from them about posting them, tomorrow will be the third so guess I'm cancelling this order.

[@joejones7852]

Do yall post these streams to podcast services? I love listening to them later throughout the week and would prefer a straight audio feed

[@Wingedmagician]

I second that. A lot easier to listen to long videos like this like that. Could be the Headphones Resolve show or something

[@wrusst]

What's the Headphone rec at 20 min

[@GadZookz]

Today another reviewer raised the prospect that some high end IEMs might not have all their drivers connected since the makers know that no one is ever going break them open. Perhaps he is suggesting this type of physical hack may even have started out in high end IEMs and then trickled down to budget sets. However, he claimed no special knowledge and wisely did not use any brandnames hypothetically. My question is: With all the fancy measuring equipment out there, why do we have to open up an IEM to tell if it is firing on all cylinders? 🤔

[@TheHEADPHONEShow]

Good question. I think because you'd only be able to tell a difference in FR by opening them up. Theoretically we could tell by looking at THD behaviour but that would most likely only indicate whether BAs are firing, and in the upper frequencies that would get significantly more challenging to identify.

[@GadZookz]

@@TheHEADPHONEShow Hopefully, most companies are honest so adding disconnected drivers to up the count is not something most companies would do. Still, for greater certainty, IEM brands should reactively close the loose language loophole by clearly stating that all the drivers in their IEMs are active. The phrase ‘active drivers’ could be used in technical descriptions, product packaging and advertising.

[@MannyScoot]

The best single DD that I have listened to and are simply amazing are the IKKO OH7 ....... Nothing gives what they do ..... nothing

[@goodforwatch]

Not that I have anything against you sir but just an fyi, imo these streams are much more watchable when you have A guest, ANY guest! Mr. Crinnacle is royalty afcourse👍

[@GinsuSher]

Agreed. One person talking for a long times, is a bit taxing...

[@STAYCBias]

I'm a Singaporean, odviously I love crinacle channel more . 😅

[@michagi]

for the money you pay for a pair of KZs, does it really matter how many bogus BAs they cram in there as long as you're satisfied with the overall sound its producing?

[@Hari-kx2er]

It is more a question of business ethics rather than a question of are you getting your money's worth. If you are only concerned about getting your money's worth , sure you are right 👍It does not matter. However, there is another side to the coin that regardless of whether we are talking about a 30$ iem or a 2000$ one, if a Company advertises 'X' number of drivers in an iem all of them should be functioning drivers and not just bogus namesake ones. In short, it ruins the trust factor when a company does false advertising.

[@GadZookz]

Now these built in driver hacks have been discovered in a couple of IEMs, how will reviewers make sure that other multi-driver IEMs they plan to review or endorse don’t have the same sort of hack?

[@badooasu9406]

remember noble audio savant drama?

[@zahitemremetin606]

What was about it?

[@musicxxa6678]

When Crin gonna review Edition XS tho

[@andikawidianto9060]

still no video or review about edition xs, but i think its gonna end up in b+ or a- tier in his ranking

[@Ober1kenobi]

54:17 I'm on broke boy funds, so I use my Size 14 Shoe Boxes as Speaker Stands, Honestly don't know anyone would spend any more when these were free If your friendly with your local pizza place, get some unused pizza boxes, you can get some foam, cut 4 blocks, stick them to the pizza boxes, now you have an isolated stand for your DACs and AMPs I don't see barriers, only free solutions

[@theoutgroove3051]

I don't really care, I still like the sound of the CRN KZ. for me it's $40 well spent.

[@gaveezdrive]

Nice! the only thing is that u guys paid $40 plus shipping but here in asia we just paid about $24 and shipping fee is included already. I just ordered the KZ CRN yesterday and figured this out today but for $24? I can't say anything

[@theoutgroove3051]

@@gaveezdrive exactly!

[@LISTEDGames]

Look, a Corin !!!

[@jeremywilliam79]

What creative labs heqdphone is crinacle saying is good? Can’t make it out.

[@CptMark]

Creative Aurvana Live!

[@jeremywilliam79]

@@CptMark many thanks!

[@soaringeversor8264]

Crinacle, no no no no no, best closed backs under 200 bucks are Senny HD280 PRO and Sony 7506 MDR. These are both a steal. As for Razer, years back I played "competitive" Quake as in I actually made money off it. I can say that for a fact Razer, Logitech, and Steelseries (aka the big three) do listen to feedback. But it's not what you would think. At a high level you are not listening to the music and you are throwing the EQ out the wall so you can hear other people walking behind the wall. This creates a sort of bizare audio situation where you are not going for clarity, or accuracy, but more on who is where and what they are doing. Other gaming headsets are geared to base and boom for single player games. This isn't a slam on them, but they are not really an audio product. All of the big three, especially Steelseries, have gone out of their way to improve their systems (I have an Arctis pro and it ships with an DAC/AMP with an OLED interface) in both audio and mic capibility. They are listening to what their customers want and deliver. But you sort of have to get what it's meant for? I've got a rack of audio gear but Steelseries headsets deliver the oomph and mic quality for a session with friends, suck for music though! As for "drivers don't matter" agree, completely. Looking at my old Etymotic ER-4s here and those are great. They do however need "an amp" though not anything fancy. I used to DJ (yes yes yes house music) so I have a decent stack but the ER-4s with a basic 200 buck combo amp/dac are great. Get the tool for the job. But I can sit here and look at a 200 buck DAC/AMP I built and a pair of HD280s and ER-4s and it will crush things out there... for what I use it for. Daily IEMs when biking to work are the blessing 2.

[@TonkyTronicus]

To the guy who asked for good bass headphones (you aren't going to get a good answer from audiophiles who want flat everything + bass) Sivga Robin and Meze 99's are both great options. Very fun, very bassy.

[@futoenjoyer]

good bass doesnt necessarily mean fuck ton of bass

[@TonkyTronicus]

@@futoenjoyer I feel they're are a lot of basshead audiophiles out there (myself included) who aren't represented at all by audiophile channels. Just putting my 2 cents in.

[@futoenjoyer]

@@TonkyTronicus being basshead doesnt necessarily mean they will automatically like any headphone with massive bass shelf

[@TonkyTronicus]

@@futoenjoyer So don't recommend them at all? The discrimination against bassheads in this hobby is so real. Both of those headphones are well liked and are known for their bass (I own both). It's not like I'm recommending crap. But I don't upload video reviews so I guess my opinion means less.

[@futoenjoyer]

@@TonkyTronicus yea dont recommend them those are way too unbalanced

[@Boemtie]

For anyone who bought the Zex pro, tape the vent off for 2/3 rds. Youre welcome.

[@maegnificant]

I ordered the monarch mk 2 because of its ranking... :(

[@maegnificant]

@@nanst it's good, i have mest Indigo now, too and it's better I think. Although the build quality of the monarch is better.

[@gwapster13]

There’s no branch of audiophilia that over-analyzes things more than head-fi does. Everybody seems to enjoy researching technical stuff even more than listening to music.

[@MobileAura]

The most important part of audio is the research/education, the listening part is lame. Blon can sound like 2000 dollar iems. The theory and excitement is the heart of audio, not the listening.

[@nikhilsrl]

@@MobileAura Such a lame statement.

[@MobileAura]

@@nikhilsrl let’s be honest if we take a great pair of headphones and we compare it to an amazing pair of headphones they sound at 99% the same it’s like the difference between having a little speck on your eyeglasses and having them not sure you’ll notice that little speck if you’re constantly staring at it but 99.9% of the time you’re not going to notice it. I found 100 times more enjoyment learning about headphones and balanced armatures than I ever did by having a $1300 pair of an ear monitors versus when I only had $100 pair I will say that my $1300 pair is extremely comfortable even laying down on a pillow for 16 hours a day but in terms of the sound quality it can do everything extremely well but if you have two pairs of hundred dollar headphones one for low end and one for a high end it’s basically the same thing.

[@nikhilsrl]

@@MobileAura I don't disagree with you. Personally for me I barely notice audible differences and that too only if I am listening critically, which is not often. The only thing, not many people do the stuff you are referring to.

[@TheJediJoker]

Man, I get really tired of hearing "Bay-er." It should rhyme with "buyer."

[@rolandssavdons7993]

Me, pissing myself, made you appreciate more, Crin

[@nellatl]

Disagree with crinacle on believing soundstage isn't important in iem because of headphone or speakers. I only listen to iem now so headphones are irrelevant to me.

[@mattriarchal]

I expected a more serious discussion about hifi waifus wtf

[@eduardobatista329]

Dont buy cheap specially from kz or cca or the other kz companies, too many companies , no need for kz

[@rolandssavdons7993]

I pissed myself

[@utube9487]

HiFiman Edition XS is the worst parts bin cheap feeling $500 headphone ever made. Bought 2, one came with a hairline crack in the bottom part of the band that became a crack within 3 weeks. 2nd replacement, sounded nothing like the first version and had muddy bass. DO NOT BUY HIFIMAN. Same headphone and they sound different shows no quality control of the drivers. I think HiFiMan are still 10 years away from being a mature manufacturer of headphones, staff seem inexperienced, training seems insufficient, quality control seems non existent and prices are absurd for the build quality you get. They are chasing volume instead of making high quality headphones.

[@paulosilva8200]

Ba timber. What an excuse bro.lol

[@paulosilva8200]

I don't agree when he says drama.about kz. I got 15 iems from them. And they all the same crap issue. Yes. The kz did something so they don't have to tune the other drivers and have filters and distance to produce the target they want. I call lip sync ba and est

[@Creeper99PL]

You pay for stuff that's unnecessary. And they are placing them there just to get more money. And they LIE TO YOU to make you interested in a tribrid IEM to buy it just for it to be a DD.

[@paulosilva8200]

@ActuallyMe yep. Ba that has 1 dB sound and they duck. I bet they get that ba for 1 cent an unit and they thinking . Ketsbnake them look good and produce 1% of sound in case we get caught

[@snoooozer]

KZ drivergate is the dumbest controversy. Who even cares about what's inside an iem if you like how it sounds?

[@redleather420]

Maybe because it's literally illegal false advertising?

[@snoooozer]

@@redleather420 no it's not

[@redleather420]

@@snoooozer yes it is. Saying a car has four tires and making it a key point of your advertising, but selling it with three tires is illegal. Of course these Chinese companies will never have to pay consequences but still doesn't change the fact.

[@NikolasCarneiro18]

Maybe because there is no reason to pay for 3 drivers if sound effectively comes from only 1 of them. Sell what you deliver.

[@new1412]

The problem here is KZ's advertising. They said in their "promotional" pictures (not exclusively to CRN) that they put these "drivers" for "better" sound quality and stuff and they DO cost you more with more drivers. When it's proved that it hasn't done sh*t or deliberately plugged then that's fully a false advertising. It becomes the dumbest controversy not because why there are people caring it but because some people couldn't figure out why this is a problem.

[@allansh828]

interesting shill off

[@maxxmenezes]

The stance of MR. Crinacle has been as cowardly as possible in this KZ drama. I really like my CRN. Most of the time I don't even feel the need to cut the 5K peak or add more bass. He accepts EQ like a champion I must say. I will never buy a KZ again unless they release a really good product for a fair price. I think there is a good chance that this will happen in an attempt to improve the company's image.

[@saamo1423]

L

[@Hari-kx2er]

He put out an article explaining his position and promising that he won't work with KZ in the future. He admitted that he made the mistake of trusting that KZ won't do something which they eventually did (putting in fake drivers).

[@Greg.Siucrazyforaudio2016]

ToneKing shockwave lll is amazing a long forgotten IEM BEST HIGH END for the money 💰.