Living with the 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS: A high spec Porsche 982 or a low spec Porsche 991?

[@JM-wu8bh]

Love my 2019 718 Cayman GTS. The engineers at Porsche knocked it out of the park creating a car that is sub 4 seconds 0-60 while getting 22MPG around town.

[@minimusmax]

do you still have it? if so, do you still like it?

[@humorsourceincturner7854]

I ordered a 2015 Boxster GTS manual from the factory intending to track it and I have--many days on a handful of tracks in the Southeast, U.S. The car loves it. Nothing has ever failed or malfunctioned. Yes, by tracking the Boxster I feel I'm getting my money's worth out of the car. The risk in tracking it, to me, is less than driving in stop and go traffic and against on-coming cars. If you're a good driver, track it!

[@throker]

Did you make any mods before tracking? Like baffled oil pan or maybe a second radiator? Or is she bone stock from that perspective?

[@MyUtubefreak]

Reasons for PDK: 1) city traffic 2) 7 speed vs 6 speed long ratios 3) launch control 4) quicker acceleration 5) better mileage. I normally go for a manual (1987 944) but technology has improved!

[@anthonymartino4334]

I have a 718 GTS with PDK. It's an unbelievable car! I've had 3 prior 911's which are also great cars, but the driving characteristics of this car are spectacular. It's absolutely sublime!

[@ckneasel]

My choice would be PDK, but frankly I’m just “over” manual gearboxes... PDK is marginally quicker, shifts are lightning, requires no work and still offers as much satisfaction...

[@jabbawitz]

I will miss my manual 981S at times, but the PDK in my newer 718 GTS is amazing. It's just faster and better on the track and in traffic. It thinks and reacts quicker than I can with a manual, which is something you could not say back in the early 2000s. I remember when old torque converter autos were dogs. The stick in my dad's Acura Legend felt like a rocket at 8 sec 0-60. Lol!

[@OMGz1122]

I think Porsche just casually makes up the prices on their options while drinking beer after work

[@DavidElCid300]

LOL!!!

[@budtcheez]

Owner here. That would be correct.

[@OMGz1122]

@@budtcheez hahahahahaha okay okay

[@rudolfvanderven]

Knows his planes, knows his Porsches, has awesome dog. Subscribed.

[@jimlucier7968]

Track it! Why buy a race car to dodge pickups and Toyotas. I track my 2016 Cayman S where it is right at home. Also, the PDK lets you concentrate on driving not shifting.

[@modrn_]

I mean, when you have driven manual transmissions for a while, it's like second nature when driving? I don't get the statement(from someone who owns a PDK.. and loves it, but has also driven manual transmissions more years of my life than not).

[@JD-ze2fy]

I bought a 718 GTS specifically for a track car. Yeah, I got the PDK and would never get a sunroof in this car. You want the sun, stick with a Boxster or cabriolet. I never open the sun roof on my other cars. By the way, I also kept my 987 Boxster S as a summer weekend car. Never had any real interest in a 911. For me, Porsche history was all about the 550. The 911 was a squashed Beetle, now it seems like a giant GT car. Maybe if I did a lot of highway miles, I might find the 911 desirable but for twisty roads the Cayman/ Boxster is the way to go, IMO. Nice that you didn’t spend half the video whining about the sound( like some others). Congrats for moving one.

[@sixpotshot]

well said about the 550 / 911. Porsche is stuck in a 911 psychosis...re tracking the 718: fine if you bear in mind that this is not a GT Porsche and hasn't been designed with that in mind - see PCA vid on the GT4, in case you haven't already, and the mechanical changes to cope with higher loads are laid bare in there plus there is no proper dry -sump...I think even on the GT4 albeit Porsche may have made a tweak or two on this one but you have to bear that in mind if you do proper/real track work: on high loads the engine on your 718 will struggle for decent lube...over time that means a faster than expected wear rate

[@JD-ze2fy]

Thanks. I'll take a look at that suggested vid. I'm familiar with issues on older generation Caymans but I haven't seen a lot of data on the 718 given it's newness. My goal with this car was to try avoid going down the "bottomless pit of mods" for a while. We'll see how that works out.

[@nevertwenty]

I swear this guy lies.

[@rlsjunior797]

Juan the 718 and 911 are both great cars, each have their pros and cons like anything else.

[@JD-ze2fy]

I agree. Horses for courses. I'm not against the 911. In fact, for an around town shopping car or long distance drive, I would prefer a 911. I really like back seats. It irks me to have to open the trunk constantly to store items. Even my wife's purse doesn't fit in my Boxster. If she is driving, the first thing she does is plop her purse on my lap! If I had a dog or small kids ( in that order) I'm not sure I would even consider a 718. I also have my limit on what I am going to thrash around a track. Paying up 30 or 40% more ( sort of apples to apples) for a 911 seems painful to me. We each have to draw the line somewhere. I don't think comparing a stripped 911 is all that useful to a reasonably well equipped 718. I think the 718 has a niche. It would be nice if more people appreciated it for what it is and not be so concerned about what it isn't. I think at this point more "professional" reviewers are coming around, even if there are still a number of social media squawkers whinging about sound and 4 cylinders.

[@michaelschneider-]

+1. . Fast Foreward Jan 2021. .Current seasonal driver is an ole '98 Carrera 2S (993). . Since delivery in November 1997, the coupe is used on occasion. . A silver understated Uber ski-Kombi, a USA '96 Audi UrS6 Kombi served as the daily driver followed by a Euro '06 VW GTI MkV. . In 2016, the DD '06 GTI was handed down to a niece. . Thereafter an "as-new" '94 E-Class E320 coupe (W124) has the daily driver roll. . (Uncles E coupe). . My wife's/family car is an MB Kombi with a '22 MB Kombi in the queue for a Fall Euro delivery. .. The Porsche Cayman - For me, a good, well optioned, used 1-owner 981 S/GTS could be a 4-season daily driver, no problem. . While the 4.0l 6cyl 718 Cayman GTS is in production, at about half the cost ($115K) of an ordered 4.0l GTS,,, a $50K to $60K-ish model-year '14 thru '16 Cayman S/GTS 3.4l can be found. . While many/most 981s are PDK spec'd, the 6sp manuals are out there. . An abundance of MY14 Cayman Launch Cars are options "Loaded",,, being spec for spec like the higher trim GTS Caymans. . For kicks a 2021 718 Cayman GTS 4.0l spec./build as follows; Agate Grey Metallic, Std. wheels in no-cost silver, Full Two-Tone Leather Interior (Agate grey w/pebble grey), Sports Seats (18way) w/Memory, 6sp manual, PASM, PTV, Chrono Pkg, LED PDLS Lighting, Lighting Design Pkg., Parkassist (rear), Burmeister Infotainment Pkg., Lane Change Assist, Leather Sun Visors, Leather Steering Column, Leather R. Mirror, Sport Steering wheel. > Approx. $115,000 USD .. Cheers, Vail, Colorado

[@tbone1493]

I track my M2 and it does great and have considered a 918 Cayman S for track work but I think your suggestion of the MX-5 Cup car is probably the best way to go, the only downside is when you get a dedicated track car like that is you then need a trailer and a truck so it is a bigger commitment in terms of space and money. BTW, I am so tired of hearing the PDK versus manual debate. We should be celebrating the fact we have a choice instead of shaming people who want a PDK (for any reason). Journalists have really worn this debate out. Unless your paying for my car you don't get a vote so stop telling me what transmission to get!

[@SteveC-Shaman]

I have had my Turbo S out on the track a dozen times in the past year. Just do it.

[@beefwellington7791]

For my track days I have a Legends Race car, 1250 cc Yamaha FJR engine, 140 hp, 10,000+rpm, 1,300 lbs, sequential gearbox, top speed 120-130 mph, a ton of fun on small tracks, 50k all in with different gear sets, spare tires, trailer and asst. other spares...Lots of real races to choose from, dirt and paved ovals + road courses, low entry fees...or just take to a lap day with my friends...for reference I drive a Lotus Evora 400 on the road

[@MotoManTV]

Sir, you have cracked the code of life:)

[@beefwellington7791]

I love spec racing, sure the engine is sealed, but you learn so much about chassis setup and tuning, it's fun as hell setting up the car, even more fun real wheel to wheel racing...in a car you didn't have to mortgage the house for, and have support and parts available right at the track if you need it

[@RC-bx5jo]

@motoman, i've driven manuals all my life, and yes, in traffic it is a bloody pain. What you were into wasn't traffic:) First gear foot on the clutch for 2hrs is horrible. If you have just the one car, i totally agree auto is the way to go.

[@zenjitsuman]

I commuted into Manhattan across the GW bridge and inched forward to the tolls for about 45 minutes every day 5 days per week. It was awful. A PDK or plain slush box would have been half as much pain.

[@johndbro1]

Yep, came here to say the same thing :)

[@ScottR10]

But a lot of us that drive the 91 would still vote for manuel for the other 23 hours a day we drive...idk...but hes right if you dont have that drive...

[@Maky313]

I was about to say the same. This is not what I would call traffic ; ) Same as yourself I have driven manuals all my life, primarily because auto variants are priced significantly above manual specs in my local market and I've had enough. If given the option I would pick an auto, especially if its one as fine as the PDK.

[@AlvinBrinson]

99% of the people who say "It's terrible in traffic" don't have to drive in that kind of traffic every day. And if you do, a car on the level of a Cayman or a 911 is ridonkulous to begin with... Get a daily for that, and keep the real car for other drives.

[@JM-wu8bh]

718 Cayman GTS here. It is better than the 911 cars I initially shopped for. My brother is 6'9" and can drive it... my friend has 40" inseam and she has no problems. It is fast, handles wonderfully, and is surprisingly fuel efficient.

[@gauchegaucho]

I have a 2016 Boxster Spyder, love it. But just drove a 991.2 base 911 w/PDK last week and it blew my mind. If the Spyder wasn’t such a “special” model I would’ve probably traded it in for a 991.2. It’s WICKED FAST

[@KidNIki100]

I own a 2018 718 GTS and love it! Before I bought it, I drove it and a upgrade base 911 and I felt like the 718, was more fun and more “special”. It’s a great car! Love ya motorman!!!

[@grisa12345]

Mine was $97k, and yes I track it. It’s also a badass and fun daily driver with a manual transmission.

[@ShiniGamiVII]

After driving a 991 Carrera S and a 981 Cayman, the 718 is the only one that has truly gotten under my skin. The grumbly lil monster is my pick for the price range you spoke of. However, used 991 911 Turbos also go for what a new 991.2 Carrera T goes for and they are great used as well. And they come with a sunroof....

[@olivergrizzly6346]

ShiniGamiVII Amen!

[@ElTorroXL]

I have a 981 Cayman s with the sport exhaust and it sounds so much better than the 718. The flat six just screams, crackles, pops; adding so much too the driving experience. When people hear the high pitched wail from 4k rpm and up, they know it's an exotic, and it puts a huge smile on their faces :)

[@porschegt2346]

It ain’t no exotic 😑

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

@motoman I live in Norcal, drive a VW Golf R, 6spd highly modded. I hate myself for not getting the dual clutch. Rush hr sucks. Now my nerve injury is causing my feet to go numb so my new car, 718 GTS or GT4RS will be PDK. it's the best of both worlds. I'm with u, I love sun roofs, why no option for this is beyond me.

[@robertjurado5239]

Sadly, I had to let go my 987.2 Cayman S. Would I daily a 982? Yes. Would I track a 982? Yes. The only way I’ll feel like I’m getting my money’s worth out of the car would be by tracking it. The track is really the only place where I can legally drive the car I such a way that I could fully enjoy it. On the road, I would only be using a small fraction of the car’s capability. I would then argue, “Why spend all that money on that car?” Granted, I understand it’s a road car, but it’s a road car that is complete overkill for my daily needs, which are well-fulfilled by a Subaru Outback. On track, I might find myself at full throttle much more than on the road. On track, I would be threshold braking, trailbraking, etc. I would be able to explore the limits of adhesion. I could guide the car as it slides through a corner-managing oversteer, understeer, etc. I could be hitting apexes and tracking out in a magnificent, confidence-inspiring package at the limit of adhesion. That’s too much fun! Why leave that capability on the sidelines? Why pay for it if I’m not going to use it? Carrera T vs. 718 Cayman GTS? If new, Carrera T. I have done the Cayman thing. I want the 911. It’s an icon. Plus, 4-wheel steering, LSD... If I’m in the used market in the future, well... I’ll just have to see where my budget is, what cars are available, and at what price. Either should be great based on my enjoyment of the 991.2 C2S and 982 Boxster S at Porsche Sport Driving School-the closest I have come to driving either of the two cars being discussed.

[@alanbooth7280]

Looking to buy a 718 Cayman s myself as a daily car. At that price point you could also get a GTS 981 Cayman or a 5 year old 991 here in the uk. Having thought long and hard, I am going for the newer vehicle because it will be used daily. As an occasional use car, I would get the 991

[@bravofighter]

A buddy of mine is an instructor with PCA, and his track car is a 944. I own a 944 as well, and the reason is because a nice example can be had for about $5k, and it can be tracked for about $10k per year in the endurance series

[@AlvinBrinson]

I'd have to pick the Cayman because I have no rear engine bias. Of course right now my budget says no to both and I will just continue enjoying my Abarth.

[@scottycigars5192]

the traffic driving was brilliant.. "Cut off a prius" hahaha..

[@lexluthor1166]

I believe the 2.5t is a heavy brute, but it sounds so good .

[@duncanvincent9106]

Not buying the manual transmission argument. PDK for me. It’s sounds so sweet as it blips through the gears. And as a daily drive in real stop start traffic...... a clutch is sooo old. I don’t track mine. Never would get a sun roof even if offered.

[@travis3810]

The manual has auto blipping downshifts that are about as fast as a pdk. Id get the manual because I like being in control. I don't plan on living in a city, so traffic wouldn't be an issue for me. And i would take a sunroof, not to open because I hate wind noise, but to let some extra light in (aka I don't like Boxster's so that argument is useless on me).

[@joannascott4536]

I drive a 2017 Cayman S with PDK. To me, the technology and operation of the PDK makes all the difference. It is so responsive and smooth that I can’t see me driving a manual. I guess it comes down to personal choice. But you can’t argue with the fact that the PDK develops more torque and is quicker in zero to tests.

[@Jon-Gwen]

I have 2017 718 Boxster S manual. Cost 69,500. Custom allocation. You don’t need to spend 92,000 to get all the goodness. I have driven 6 HPDE days so far. Even the most base Boxster/cayman is way more capable on a track then anyone unless your a professional driver can exploit. I actually love the sound. The midrange and low end torque is way better then the previous generation 6. I can say this as my previous car was 2010 S. I can pull from second or third and from 2500-4000 rpm with the same acceleration out of a corner.

[@rudytaneloruxy9491]

Still slightly over priced and it just sucks that porsche needs to explore your rectum if you want navigation or other stuff. Porsches have the highest mark up of any mass produced car, good for porsche not good for porsche buyers, unless you enjoy a certain amount of exclusivity porsche gives you. I would like one but not if i have to buy it and pay to maintain it. If i were rich it coukd make a nice daily driber.

[@paulwood862]

Rudy Tanelo Ruxy Buy slightly used and let the original owner take the hit. Bought one at a £26k discount on list and it had done 9,000 miles - guy had it professionally ceramic coated too!

[@mjon5706]

HPDE's, hell yes. If you're putting a sports car through its paces and not on a track you're breaking the law...keep it on the track. Actual competitive racing...maybe if I was wealthy and could afford to throw away a car every season. Of course in HPDEs I would always buy track insurance.

[@cliftonfrey1174]

I would go with the 911 because I,ve wanted one for ever. Sort of realistically it would be a Carrara T but since were just taking I love the R and l drive a 2016 MX5 club. The poor man with two boys in college one at ASU Porsche.

[@petermerin]

I like the stick better, but the PDK is awesome. There are features that you get like launch control that you get with the PDK vs the stick. You also can’t over rev the ODK on downshifts if you are going to take the car to the track. 100% a stick is a PIA in stop and go traffic.

[@dafrasier1]

Yes. I tracked my 718 Boxster S, June 15 2017, European delivery. 242 Laps on the Nurburgring. If you do not run a Porsche on a track you are wasting your time and money. They are race cars. 2019 BMW M2, European Delivery, June, and again Nurburgring. Once in a life time. (again)

[@wesleywalls7582]

Totally agree with your conclusion...the lack of a sunroof (as an option) is unfortunate. I realize the projection here is driving purity, AND there's the full on convertible in the Boxster, but a sunroof in the Cayman should be an option for those who opt to daily the car.

[@MisterBeta]

Interesting video MotoMan; and I have a few thoughts on the points you raised and on the comments of others here. BTW, I ordered a GTS with the options I wanted from the factory. Took a few months for delivery, but the flip side is I won’t be bugged for years to come over why I didn’t have a certain option. Sun roof: having previously owned a car with a leaky sunroof, I have no interest possibly encountering that problem again. I also bought a new Macan S at the time of the GTS order, and it had a sunroof, which is standard on a Macan. Would have rather not have a sunroof there, but had no choice. Ceramic brakes: I went with steal brakes as I couldn’t see the added expense providing any value for my driving needs. I live in the real world of car driving. PDK: I got the PDK, as it makes life simpler. Yeah I know sifting speed is a factor, but my reasons for the PDK were more basic. I sometimes drink coffee when I drive. Also my wife will drive this car, and though she can drive a manual, she rather drive an automatic. I previously owned a 2006 BMW Z4 M as a 3rd car, and she felt the clutch was “too stiff” for her, and as a result she never drove it. She is entitled to some fun also. Track car: I agree, an optioned out Cayman GTS is too much money to hurl around the track. However, I may do a track day to get a sense of the car’s ability and have some fun. Cayman GTS vs a 911. Been there and done that. I previously owned ‘75 and ‘77 911s (both bought new, so you can tell I am old- if 65 is old). Nice cars for the time, but if I got too aggressive, I would end up swapping the frond and rear ends. I get it- stability electronics and all wheel drive can solve the problem to some extent, assuming you get into a spin situation in the first place. I did briefly consider ordering 911 GTS with the same options as my Cayman GTS, but I would be spending about $50k more. Given that I sold appreciated securities for the car purchase that I will pay capital gains taxes on, and add in sales tax, the 911 GTS was a $210k hit on my wallet. Oh, and for a depreciating asset. Came close but didn’t. I don’t think I will regret going with the Cayman GTS over a 911. Dogs in cars: I have two Shi Tzu’s. One will ride in the passenger seat, or on my wife’s lap, the other is on my lap looking out of the car, or on the passenger floor. A Cayman is not a great dog transporter. Oh, and may I add my thoughts on four vs. six cylinder Porsche engines? First off, the Cayman GTS has plenty of power. Secondly, anyone with a V8 sports car thinks fours and sixes are wimpy sounding. Don’t even consider what V12 owners think.

[@Mr_GMS]

youtube at its absolute best! great reply

[@keyzer2011]

Sunroof absense is a deal breaker for me too. I traveled halfway across the country to buy a '13 E92 M3 6MT with a sunroof. The carbon fiber roof is just silly on a large car that I'll never track. Bring on the full glass sunroof! 🌞

[@maxmartz4665]

Nice view of Manual. I used my savings for PASM and PTV diff. Loved the dog passenger. 2019 Boxster S manual. Sport Chrono. Sport Tech, 18w Sport seats. Specd to be a GT for long drives on winding two lanes. Looked at many options over the past 4 years M2,M3,M4, Audi TT, 911, Z4, 240M drop top.

[@cvandenhaute]

I think you bring a lot of very pertinent points. I would go for the 911 Carrera t because it is more special in every measure. I'm with you with the track thing: I would not risk a 92k car on the track, which brings the point of a lot of daily driving niceties as a sunroof and comfort. Same thing with the manual, I could not care less that I can shave a few hundredth in my shifts, but I can care about the fun of shifting. I had a 2008 VW R32 with the DSG. After one week of dayly driving the car in heavy Chicago traffic, I developed an allergy to the gearbox and I went to a manual BMW 128i that was way more livable in that traffic and way more fun on open road. I have been looking at many options to replace the 128i and the only one I am considering is a used 911 997 or 991 Carrera 2 manual, hard to find with am interior they is not black (I despise black interiors) and a sunroof

[@Greggory1987]

Such an informative video and entertaining as well! I was torn for weeks between the boxster and cayman but have now decided to go with the cayman...I am excited!

[@TomHernandez1]

I was in the market for a 911 with a budget of around $70,000, drove a base model. 911 and a 718 Boxster S and ended up buying the 718...ONLY with the intent of adding a 911 to the collection at some point in time. The 718 S is a great car (albeit 15 HP less than the GTS) and I have no regrets with the decision I made but am looking forward to the day the P-Gods bless me with a 911 (if they are reading this please make it a Turbo S, thank you.)

[@swsschz]

I'd say my dream Porsche right now would be a Cayman GT4. I currently own two porsche's right now, a 987 boxster and 997 Carrera. If i had a free weekend to take the car out, i would much rather take the boxster. Given the mid engine lay out of the car, it provides confident steering and handling and also engages your senses more so than the 911. Hearing the flat 6 literally behind you makes hearing that engine howl at high RPM that much easier. The 911 has the speed, but the 987 has just about everything else in a driver's car.

[@dekainu4633]

I purchased a 2019 Cayman 718S. with PDK for the simple reason I like to drive and want to be engaged but as a below knee amputee a manual is not comfortable for me. Here in Thailand I cost 125,000AUD add the up graded seat with leather and better lights added close to 8000 So far I really enjoy it and living on the mountainous area of the country its perfect for me

[@Clickaholic1007]

That is a very delicate shifting technique.

[@KirkKreifels]

Beautiful color! I can't wait to review my first Porsche 😉

[@presley1234567]

I own a 718 Cayman GTS in the UK and absolutely love it. I would only change it for the 718 GT4, it would still fit into my garage which is good news. Have driven 911 before and yes faster but daily driving just too a big a car and surprisingly twitchy.

[@tompage3020]

I also own a manual 718 GTS in the UK and it's an amazing car. I'm a purist, I spent a lot of time debating between the 981 and the 718 GTS as I wanted the flat 6. In the end the styling both inside and out, the increased performance and the tech made me go with the 718 and give up (for now) the flat 6 dream. Also, a second hand 981 GTS was still selling for the same price as a new 718 GTS and the lure of a new car was also nice. I have absolutely no regrets. The 718 does not sound bad, it just doesn't sound like a flat six. It also doesn't sound like a wrx. Everyone I've taken in the car grins from ear to ear the whole time and they all comment on how good it sounds. Like you, the only car this is getting chopped in for is the 718 GT4.

[@blade643]

presley1234567 there is no such thing as a 718 GT4..

[@tompage3020]

blade643 it's in development at the moment...

[@blade643]

Tom Page all speculation, its not in production..

[@tompage3020]

blade643 it's in development, already been out on the Nürburgring and been confirmed to have a NA engine.

[@clarencechiangvideo]

Very informative review. And a dog in a car review video is always a winner!

[@glennhavinoviski8128]

The 718 Boxster S with PDK works just fine for me, and I paid under $80k. The GTS is always a nice performance package with the various stuff included and the slight added power, but you have to pay a ridiculous amount extra for the "GTS Interior" with contrasting stitching. The ceramic brakes are something I'd put on the GT3 RS or a GT4 Clubsport, for me and much of the Porsche world, the standard red brakes work fine. So by the time you option the car with Bose, nav, or whatever, you're well into 911 territory. If you want fast and basic, better to wait for the next GT4 (or buy a used one) with the flat 6 from the 911 (the new GT4 will have a detuned version of the GT3 engine). Otherwise, for $90k+ I'd rather get a base 911 Carrera with 7-speed and a few options to make it a nice driver. Of course now you have to wait for the next gen 911 (the 991 is at the end of its run).

[@perez5249]

Currently drive a 987.1 '08 CS manual with Borla XR1 exhaust. The flat 6 sound through that exhaust is orgasmic and I'm never getting rid of it. The manual is fine for me even in occasional stop and go traffic but mine is a weekend car. If I had to daily it and were about 20 years older, I'm 55, I'd probably want a PDK. For the 90-110k range, I'd get a lightly used 911T for my DD. That way I could have my cake (987.1) and eat it too (911T).

[@NoRevving]

I have a 987.1 that I daily and track. That being said, i would take a T over a 718. I really can't get past the engine note.

[@paulrobinson272]

I do like the way the Cayman drives - I thought the previous 6 cylinder car handled beautifully and also had the right sound. However, for this kind of money, I'd go for the 911T every time. My current Porsche (for weekends and special occasions is a 993 Carrera. Cheers

[@adamsard6010]

I have a 718 Cayman S and absolutely love it. I’m in the Uk btw

[@mlamesq8]

For me ..... 911 over 718 but, get both, the 911 to track and the Boxster for weekends. I did my Jersey to NYC (West Side Hwy) commute in my 944turbo (‘88) everyday for 10 plus years, that’s traffic. The drive with the 5 speed was ez (the throttle is also the brakes). But... to be fair I have done the last 17 years in my Evo (‘03). Did some commute years in my Miata too. Maybe should check myself in. 😊

[@lexluthor1166]

Your mate is is just unlucky, I've tracked very car... generally the brakes take the biggest hit but they can be replaced . ( brake fuild upgrade) Would be an absolute sin not to take the 718 out, how else are you going to experience the mid engine. I have always wanted the audi 2.5t v5 in the Cayman, it would sound amazing.

[@sixpotshot]

Audi 5 in a Cayman / Boxster: agree as it is so much better than the crappy 4 Porsche came up with. BUT it would destroy the packaging e.g. rear boot gone and the handling as well as it would push the centre of gravity way up...

[@MotoManTV]

I saw him and his wife last night - who is surprisingly cool about the whole thing - and share your sentiment with them. That said, he is coming around to the whole cup car thing slowly.

[@lexluthor1166]

Why do I watch your channel ? Hmmm

[@sixpotshot]

Do you really mean 'my' channel? You possibly couldn't as I haven't got such a thing! There is a post in there in case someone needs some help / detail building an identical scale model F1 Ferrari but that is it

[@mguntick]

I have a 991.1 4s now and had a Cayman 987 s and a Boxster 986 s. The Cayman was the most engaging and only had the sport chrono option. The Boxster had too much flex. The 991 is too much for PA and DE roads but a lot of fun even with PDK. Overall the Cayman was the most fun, the 991 is a great upgrade for the right scenarios. I wouldn’t take a Porsche to the track, I’d take an s2000.

[@jabbawitz]

I had an S2000 (2005 without stability control), and what I know of it and what I have recently seen at the track, the S2000 is tricky on the track. I took my 981 Boxster S manual to the track and had a ball. Wanted to go a little faster so got a 718 Cayman GTS PDK. HPDE isn't likely to ruin your car, so why not take it to the track and enjoy it while vastly improving your mastery of the car for safer street driving?

[@Jono2113]

I'm 52 and have had only manual transmissions...until 2016 when I got an M235i with the best auto trans ever. I've learned to love it. Even on the Dragon's Tail it was 0 sacrifice. And it is better in true stop and go traffic, which was not what you were in as you only stopped once! :-) If I could afford it, I would get a Cayman as my daily. I don't care if its an old 6 or the new 4T. And I would prefer a manual, but take the PDK if it was the best used car deal. For new I might have to flip a coin between a $92k GTS or the $105k minimal spec 911. Actually I would get the base (yes, base) Cayman manual with my minimal options bring it to $69,990. Also I have a bad back which does make things better with an auto/pdk.

[@Jono2113]

Oh, and track? yes, get an MX-5 or miata cup. Or you can drive what I did, a 1983 944. That is a true analog experience, not even anti-lock breaks, just my right foot! Another advantage of the PDK, you can't do the accidental money shift. I've never done that in any of my manuals...but if I did, I'm sure it would be in brand new Porsche!

[@TheGreatLoco]

Automatic is better in town for two reasons. First you drive with one hand with more freedom, going up on a slope in town with manual is also stressful because you need perfect timing with the clutch and gas pedals otherwise the car will return and hit the car behind or stall. Other reasons are that is more relaxing, that you can quickly burn the clutch easily if unecessarilly pressed too often, or rev the engine unecessarilly shorting it's lifetime. Porsche's automatic has the manual mode, so except for being a very expensive option there are few drawbacks. Maybe for a weekend fun car, manual is fine. For a daily driver in a big city, it's less comfortable. But you get used. The question is why to live with that, when spending/financing $80.000.

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

I drive a 400hp 360tq 2015 Golf R 6M and wish I had got the dual clutch. 1 word Traffic!

[@fredhassenDogtraining]

I drive an ‘18 Targa. I only do convertible tops but I think the Cayman GTS is a great looking car but the fact the top does not go down would be a deal killer. :-)

[@travis3810]

They offer a Boxster (a convertible Cayman). Not for me though, as i can't stand wind noise.

[@olivergrizzly6346]

We have to get Motoman some more exposure. This channel is too good for car enthusiasts not to take advantage of it. Especially Porsche enthusiasts.

[@asong26]

718 Spyder for me. Have one on order. It doesn’t get any better than a flat 6, NA mid-engine. Your last review of the 981 Spyder convinced me to order one. Please keep up the great work!

[@williamk1800]

I'm like you and want a sunroof for my daily driver. For that money, I'd get a loaded manual M2 or M2 Competition, get a set of HREs, and pocket the change.

[@Scorpio1075]

I autocross my 2017 Porsche Carrera 4S :) At the time you filmed this the GTS was a newer model, now you can buy a nicely optioned used one for $80k.

[@mdrobc13]

Hmm..have had both of them...multiple 911's and in fact went from an 997.2 C4S to a 981 Cayman S in 2014 as it was the better driver's car for reasons you mentioned in the review of this 718 Cayman GTS (i.e. engine position, driving position, dynamics, power-weight, etc). Absolutely loved that car and the flat 6 engine IMHO is better than the current 718s although the power-torque curves have gotten infinitely better with Porsche turbo charging the 991.2s and now the 718s. However I currently no longer own my 981 despite it being one of the best cars I've driven having sold it for its bigger brother a 991.1 Carrera S. Less of a driver's car in that it doesn't have that go kart feel reflexively and dynamics that the mid engine Cayman is capable of...but in terms of size and driving feel, power and sound among others..the 991.1 just does it for me! Best of all worlds still....its a supercar with less than super car $$ (depending on how optioned granted and model purchased). Would I buy another Cayman like this 718? If cash is no object...hell yes. Having both in the garage would be like yin-yang to any driver. Would I pay $90k for a Cayman GTS such as this? Not so...especially the Carbon Ceramic brakes..IMHO overkill unless you're tracking it regularly...something I just wouldn't do either in an $92k sports car! Lower price points for that..hell I'd get a gen 1 Cayman 1st before doing that to a 718 or even previous model 981....too expensive a proposition for the enjoyment. But that's me. Would I get a GTS over a base similarly optioned..yes...over an S? Depends as some of the give-take between the two can be a point of personal preference and budget tolerances. But the GTS I agree is usually the bargain over a similarly optioned base or S. Problem is Porsche knows that and so finding one new or used at that bargain price or deal point becomes sometimes enough to drive you insane. Otherwise...still best cars I've ever owned! Agree on that! Great review Motoman!

[@zacs5773]

Manual Carrera T, No rear seats, T- Interior Pack, Rear Wheel Steer and Alcantera GT Steering Wheel...

[@MotoManTV]

This car was VERY close . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3PNaXeFq62jf8k

[@iKone911]

T interior package is a waste if you get the carbon bucket seats with rear seat delete. It'll only get you colored seat belts and door straps. You can get the seat belts colored at a much cheaper option cost. Also GT steering is standard on the T.

[@blurayffan66]

One of my favorite cars in the world- and my fave Porsche. Greetings from Ireland.

[@mikemccleve1330]

If you aren’t going to track it, and want a sunroof, what’s wrong with a Boxster? I have one and I love it. It’s a base model (didn’t have a large budget) but it has plenty of power and speed for my needs. I wouldn’t mind a 911 either but for similar specs, they are just too expensive for me to justify it. The only potential benefit of a 911 is bragging rights (which I don’t care about) or hauling around kids in the back seat. Since I don’t have kids, the extra storage in the “perfect” Porsche is just that, perfect. Also, sorry, but manuals do get old after about 15 minutes in true stop-n-go traffic

[@G-ym9vs]

MSRP on my 2018 718 Boxster GTS was $101,320! And that's without the carbon ceramic brakes!

[@pauldenney2001]

2014 Cayman 2.7, Sapphire Blue PDK, Bose. Excellent value new at NZD 120k. New Zealand

[@sickegg2000]

Good job..... cutting off that Prius!!! 👏👏👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👍👏👍👍

[@johnrussell3986]

Have 2007 Cayman S w/ Fabspeed headers, GT 3 intake plenum and flashed chip making about 365 HP. It has 344,000 miles on it and is an absolute blast to drive. BEST car I ever owned period. If you're going to spend 92 k on the GTS I would hold off and buy either a used GT4 ( prices will drop significantly once the gen 2 GT4 comes out)or spend a bit more on the 2nd gen 4.0L GT4. Have a deposit on next gen GT4 and will keep the '07 for a daily driver as the '07 has been a bullet proof car. Engine is original w/ original IMS bearing, just chg oil every 5k. The mods on my car cost about 4k. Get a used Cayman S, jack it up a bit and every time you hit an on ramp pretend you're at Sebring. You cannot beat .... THE SOUND of Porsche history w/ that screaming flat 6 3.4L. John Russell, Dade City Florida

[@johnrussell3986]

BTW.... I have the SIX Speed Manual w/ custom short throw shifter... 300K on the clutch! Heel toe shifting the whole experience is a blast every time I get in the cockpit. MOTOMAN is right... The only people who should buy a PDK should be legit race drivers or folks who cannot figure out how to properly drive a manual. Get a Benz or a Bimmer. I can tell the pdk drivers THIS having driven such when I had a loaner for service... Wait until you're trying to make a Left turn w/ a PDK equipped car.... and you NEEEED to go and the PDK starts... ....T H I N K I N G........ Faster on the track but presents some ISSUES in traffic... daily driving.... When I want to GO... No waiting when I let out the clutch and apply the GAS... My car GOOOOO's!

[@brianOmaha]

John great update about your cayman! Would love to see a video! I am new owner of a 09 Cayman base manual and love every shift! All stock now ... open to suggestions! Did one track event and loved it! Base still goes and more about the driver in the corners...granted the S and Turbos will get me on the straights... don’t care... I am having a blast!

[@mrla6240]

i have 981 boxster GTS PDK, wish it was manual now though, only thing PDK can do is launch control, which i dont even use lol, if i were to get anything else, it would be the carrera T, manual or a boxster spyder

[@travis3810]

981 Cayman GTS manual here. Best car ever. Only improvement would be a GT4!!

[@mrla6240]

Travis McGowan - agreed! GT4 is nice!!!

[@paulwood862]

“Only thing a pdk can do” just so not true. It’s quicker, better in traffic by miles, faster gear changes and you can use as a manual when having fun using the great paddles!

[@DiscoR53]

1) yes I would daily a Cayman 2) pdk while fast it is still better in gridlock [101 north coming out of DTLA] 3) yes I wold track it but HPDE.

[@WellSightData]

I get irritated that many cars don't have a sunroof delete option! It will only jam when open just as it starts raining. It raises the center of gravity. It will eventually leak. It will however fill one one of those embarrassing blank covers on the dome light cluster.

[@GLvDOS]

Don’t know why people have to tell others what options to get on a vehicle that’s not theirs. However, what you’ve shown as “traffic” isn’t really it. That isn’t an hour of 5-10 Km/H traffic in rush hour Toronto, or any other super busy downtown city.

[@markflower8885]

Buy a used Gt4. Possibly the best sports car Porsche have made. Good for the track too if that's you're thing.

[@noseonscent1935]

Mark Flower if only they were available at a decent price! Lol

[@franknutt1876]

Love you reviews. I’ve just bought a Carrera T with a Sunroof, I won’t buy a special car without one. I’m told I’ve ruined the car, I disagree! I’ve borrowed a manual 718 GTS for a day and what an amazing car it is. But as you suggest it’s to close to the imperfect 911 in price I wouldn’t track a car of this value.

[@moneyparhar]

In Germany people drive GT3RS GT3 and even Carrera on nurburgring

[@elliottk2518]

Great video! We’ll have to do coffee some time.

[@stms4411]

Love your dog….love your comments on the pdk even more. Sports cars should come with three pedals….full stop. I live on the east coast in the US and rather than spend 92k on one car with a seemingly good performing turbo four I spent 67k on two cars….. ….a lightly used BRZ and a 981 boxster s. The former is a car that should get more love than it does and I can beat on as a daily and the latter gives me enough power and enough rigidity to not regret getting a cayman. Plus I can drop the top…..plus I have the flat 6…..and I saved a fair bit of $ Would I prefer the 911? Potentially. But money is not endless for me and the same vintage 911 would cost me easily 35-40k more.

[@williamw9918]

if you're gonna be tracking a car, carbon ceramics are a very expensive proposition. they may "only" be $7200 for the option, but look up how much it costs to REPLACE the rotors -- $20,000 +. $25,000 for a 911 / GT3. And PCCBs will last 50-60k miles for "normal" driving, but they say track driving *dramatically* reduces the life of these things. It's not something you want to be facing 15-20k miles into ownership. i know people with 15-20k mile porsches with PCCBs that no longer pass the "CPO" threshold for rotor density. Yikes. That being said, I still ordered my GT3 with PCCBs. you know, for the yellow calipers and less brake dust :D W

[@KevinChangSuiFat]

for that price, u could at least took the PDLS+, Xenon bulbs are not suitable on Porsches !

[@travis3810]

Kevin Chang Sui Fat Agreed. You need the LEDs.

[@aponoypi]

nice car. saw your flight suit hanging. Found mine a month ago, just cannot find the person that used to fit in it. Want a review on the new sling 4 with the new rotax. good review

[@MotoManTV]

I fly a Sling 2 but did do a 2 cross countrys in a Sling 4 - not the new one. Will try to talk them into letting me fly that new one - there is a grand total of ONE in the US right now.

[@ExpressoMechanicTV]

Planning to buy a 987 Cayman S, in around a year's time. I'm in the UK.

[@ricky3506]

It’s a phenomenal car, love it. But I think I’d rather get a base 911 370HP with a Cobb tune for 470HP for around the same price. Great video as always.

[@MrBilk22]

'18 Boxster GTS with MT. No sunroof isn't a problem for me and neither is driving in traffic with a MT :) You live in CA. Get a convertible!

[@minimcewen]

I have a PDK Cayman and I can drive a manual, too. Who the ... cares. I want to drink my coffee on my way to work, in traffic, enjoying my engine music b/c I'm done steering with my knees. You buy either one b/c of the benefits of either choice, one isn't a better (experience) than the other and that's what we are talking about...the experience not performance on public streets. Furthermore, I totally agree with you on the sunroof...which is why I'll probably end up with an imperfect Porsche someday again.

[@toddgersh]

How much time did you spend brushing him out before putting him in that?

[@billkillernic]

A faster automatic transmission is going to make a difference by saving up on fuel consumption especially within the city, the fact that it is faster as well is just a bonus..

[@travis3810]

I would either go with either a used Cayman GT4 or a new Carrera S. I currently have a 981 Cayman GTS and come from south east USA. The 1986 911 3.2 in my profile pic is also mine.

[@Timtimzi]

I'm thinking about getting a used Boxster or Boxster S for 35-40k hmmmm. Love the manual though. Is there rev matching ?

[@MatthewGaither]

Probably my favorite Motoman episode. Cool car with cool planes, how could you go wrong? I like the 718 cars at lower price points and they are extremely usable as a daily commuter car. For 100 grand I’m probably going 911, at least until the 718 GT4 and Spyder get here and then all bets are off.

[@vikd4292]

dude if you want a sunroof, just get a boxster..

[@harshanwickramasinghe1311]

For that price range I’d rather get the Lexus lc500 coz as you said, it’s a lot of money to throw at a track car which you wouldn’t take to the track. The Lexus is more classy. It sounds a million times better than the Porsche and u can get one with a sunroof 😁👍

[@OPC249]

One of the main reasons purists buy sports cars is for the exhaust and Porsche managed to omit that

[@Wp-we6ze]

Sound can add to the experience of a car like a great paint job. I love the F6 in my Boxster, but vehicle dynamics are much more important to me and the turbo F4 may be a better engine for daily driving because it has more usable torque at low engine speeds.

[@rainzoro]

The government did with their environment regulations. You’d have to blame every human being in the past who “omitted” CO2

[@paulwood862]

They also drive a sports car for handling, speed, acceleration, brakes, suspension and looks and this car beats the old Boxster 981 by miles on all of them ffs

[@seattimetv]

I almost choked on my lunch when you cut off the Prius. Please try to contain your loth of the Hybrid Toyota ha ha!

[@jurgenkoch7458]

Prefer my 981 Boxster GTS much more. The sound and character of a naturally aspirated flat 6 without OPF is changing all completely. Especially with open sky...

[@cordonbloue]

Driving a tt rs with amazing 5 cylinder sound, I could only upgrade to a 6 pot 911. As this cayman sounds no where near as good as the rs, even if it drives better. For every day sound and emotion are so important.

[@ThatCaymanGuy]

I have a 2006 cayman s, I love it. Where in california are driving in? I live in OC and looking for cool roads.

[@waynebrown7310]

I noticed you were " double clutching" during your accelerating unto the hwy.. Is double clutch better for a manual transmission in everyday dtiving?