Living with the 2025 Genesis G80: Are they Lexus reliable?

[@Vince_F]

6:45 Bought my 2021 G80 3.5T Advance for $35k with 7k miles. Luvin’ it!

[@lornestein7248]

Just started shopping for a 2021 3.5t.. Hope I score like you did! They're kinda hard to find used up here in Toronto but think more will come up after 4 year lease returns. Fingers crossed!

[@Vince_F]

@ 👍🏽 GOOD LUCK‼️

[@themagicalaries]

I have a 23 3.5T Sport. It's my 3rd G80 (including a 15 Hyundai Genesis sedan) and my overall experience has been great. When I got my first one, I was coming out of an 14 Lexus IS350 F-Sport and the GS would have been the logical choice but as you said, it was already pretty old and being discontinued. Once i realized how good these were, the switch seemed easy and I haven't looked back. The only thing I wish they offered is a hybrid powertrain even if it prioritizes power over efficiency. As long as gets me better than 25 mpg in the city, I'd be satisfied.

[@jiljwc]

Couldn’t agree with you more! Perfectly stated!

[@themagicalaries]

@@Rickster1965 I haven't had any issues with my G80s other than a couple of recalls here and there. The first two didn't have any major issues. Right before I traded the 18, there was a light coming on due to the fuel sensor or door which is supposedly a common thing. This current one has been great. I will say that I don't keep them long term but we do have a G70 with almost 60K on the clock and it's been solid.

[@djmarkla]

I have a 2018 G-80 Sport in Polar Ice. I just had a recall service at a new dealership in Schaumburg Illinois. The dealership was spotless as you describe. The only issue I have with quality is the seating. My car shows drivers seat wear that is quite bad VS milage on the car. I certainly would be concerned with that issue when purchasing another Genesis.

[@drnick40]

I used to have a 2018 G80 Sport. It was an excellent car and I still regret getting rid off it. One thing that I didn’t like was fuel into the oil and it was the reason we parted. It was the old 3.3L twin turbo V6 engine which is now replaced by the 3.5L. Hopefully this issue has been addressed and the result is one great sports sedan.

[@elyj.8612]

Great review! Thank you. I recently bought a 25 GV80 and I'm very glad I did. I drove the GLE, Q7 and X5, and when you check the options to have the same features, you are 10K over on all but the Q7, which is maybe around 5K more, and any way, I still prefer the middle ground between comfort and sportiness compared without those, so we went for it. New dealers are awesome, and the vallet service is great. I think is just one screen, you would see a split when full imaged are displayed if there were two screen, but there is no split at all.

[@badmaanful]

What made you pick the gv80 over the g90? I'm torn

[@elyj.8612]

@@badmaanful Just a personal preference for the SUV style and practicality. I also like the G90, it has more features like massage in both front seats or all four seats as an option, but is also more expensive, and depreciation is worst that the GV80 SUV

[@dean68w19]

Love the video, it was an excellent dive into this vehicle. One thing I would have liked to see you point out is the fact that a new Genesis can be purchased well below MSRP, which makes it a bit more attractive in the 3-year value game compared to the Mercedes and BMW. We've had the SUV version, a Genesis GV80, for a year now and one thing that can't be ignored is that they're really trying to go the extra mile for service. The first 3 years of maintenance are included, and unlike the German cars, Genesis will pick up your vehicle for service, drop off a loaner car, and then deliver your car back to you at your home or office after the service is completed.

[@MotoManTV]

Excellent point about the pick up/drop off service. I would say it was Lexus that beat the Germans into submission on loaner cars and better service. Believe it or not, the ‘free maintenance’ came from BMW. It was originally intended to improve the quality of their off lease cars - of which there were many- and it ended up becoming the luxury brand norm.

[@jackz4149]

@@dean68w19 yeah it’s called genesis promise I believe, and sedans you can get good discounts since everybody buys suv these days

[@control2791]

As someone who grew up around a Lexus GS, this vehicle is among the only on the market that brings that sort of energy to the midsize sedan segment. The germans are just horrendous to look at and filled with useless screens that distract from the experience. Lexus needs to build a Lexus GS again because the LS and IS simply will not do

[@mark5nb]

If you don’t mind the size then the LS is pretty fun to drive and feel more agile compared to the rest of the full-size competitors

[@TheRealCropDusterOB-GYN]

I really like my G90 but HATE the dealership experience. The service waiting area has all the ambience of a Greyhound bus station. Plus a lot of parts aren't available separately, so if you need an inner tie rod, you have to buy a $5000 steering gear because they won't sell you one separately, and there is no aftermarket alternative. I will think long and hard when it comes time to replace my G90.

[@jeffs6090]

But it definitely is one full screen. This one doesn't have a definite gap between the images like the Hyundai and Kia ones have. Those are two very separate screens. Genesis screens are full pixels all the way across, ergo, one screen. Because it can be divided doesn't make it 2.

[@mojojojo_BB]

Yeah, I wonder if he opens any app on his computer to anything but full screen does he say he has two screens...

[@georgekwk]

Another intelligent analysis and presentation by George J. Notaras 👌👍👍

[@BashToks]

The UI of carplay and the menu only filing up half the screen does not mean it's two screens, and the map and other functions filling up the full screen proves that it's a single OLED display. It doesn't make sense if the menu takes up the whole screen, and you still need your gage cluster information.

[@rinbine2713]

He didn't remember old model. And, It is a one screen. 9:03 Look at the digital clock displayed in white at the top center of the screen. That screen is a one-screen layout. It’s just split for configuration, but if you want to be sure, activating the navigation will clearly show that it is a one-screen layout, as the entire navigation route will be displayed in full screen. The 2025 G80 has undergone significant updates compared to the previous model. It's just that some people may not notice them. A notable feature is the touch-sensitive steering wheel, which is incredibly convenient when using Smart Cruise Control or HDA.

[@bawintermage8351]

I have owned Genesis from the first generation. I found that they represented amazing leap forward in style and quality. There were still some rough spots especially in terms of interior material to iron out, but the same is true for every manufacturer. I was a fan of the Tau v8 and its butter smooth delivery. The second gen "Audi inspired" redesign was ok in my opinion, with the introduction of the turbo six. The chief problems I experienced with Geneis were with the transmission (zf) and cracking dashboards, and of course far less than stellar dealership experience

[@CarsandTechInfo]

If you go to a standalone Genesis dealer near you you should get a better dealer experience

[@alexcho0305]

I grive a 2020 5 series my mom drives 2021 2.5t g80 and my father drives 2023 3.5t g90. My father used to drive 2018 3.8 g90 till 70k miles before he got a new one and nothing got wrong on his car. Currently my parents’ g80 and 90 does not have a single problem but damn my 5 series has an minor oil leak at only 35k miles.

[@LucasOQ]

For those wondering I think he meant that the software divides the SINGLE 27” OLED Display into two areas. By the way Genesis did update the software and now there’s less of a visible division of both areas when in CarPlay.

[@SlipAngleG70]

My only two issues with my G70... depreciation and fuel economy... though I don't expect the 3.3T to be a miser, it would be nice if it was similar to the B58 in the BMWs. Otherwise an awesome car!

[@i.d.6492]

I mean the G70 is only a 6 year old car what you expect

[@bdw66]

Just squeeze that throttle a little less. That will solve the fuel consumption.

[@louissnipe7094]

In 3 years this will be an AMAZING 30k car. I'm bricked.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

These are a great used car bargain. Low mileage 2-3 year old examples are in the 30-40k range.

[@zarbon700]

high depreciation means it's not a good deal in the long term.

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

@@zarbon700 false

[@DeeTofa]

@@zarbon700 Not really... If you buy it used after the major depreciation, and then drive it until the wheels fall off, it's a great buy for the long term.

[@zarbon700]

@@DeeTofa The depreciation is high due to high maintenance cost. That's why buying it used isn't good deal. It's going to cost lots of money to keep it running.

[@DeeTofa]

@@zarbon700 According to who exactly? Based on my experience, my 2021 G80 has over 50k miles and hasn't had any significant maintenance costs. Oil changes are about $100 which is relatively inexpensive for the luxury class. Also, still have another 50k miles of powertrain warranty left, which no other manufacture in the luxury class provides.

[@neelkrishna]

I think I’d get this over any of the Germans. I prefer the aesthetic, and I care more about refinement than sportiness in this segment

[@adventsociety5382]

If you want refinement, German is as refined as it gets. The Merc E class and BMW 5 series have been developed and improved upon for decades before Genesis ever existed. With that said, this car shines in styling, factory warranty and used market value. You can grab a nice low mileage genesis g80 for 30-40k which is a bargain. Car is more comparative to Lexus than any German luxury

[@matw1x]

Budget Bentley. Even the logo is similar.

[@Dakotastx]

Designer came from Bentley

[@tonysterbenc]

You misspelled "even the log is plagiarized." FTFY.

[@Crosmyn]

I was in the vicinity of a G80 on a roadtrip over the weekend. To my eyes the front end looks better in person than photos but still falls into the "more isn't always better' category. The MPG results are a little surprising. My CT6 consistently exceeds its and the G80's EPA numbers.

[@godofdun]

Thank you for including the used car value comparison.

[@philhenderson3516]

They're pretty reliable powertrain-wise. However, they do have issues with electronics and A/C evaporators which tend to go out quite frequently. Also, avoid any models equipped with the e-LSD (Prestige Models) which has been very problematic, particularly on the GV70 & GV80. Stick with the RWD or basic AWD non-eLSD models and you should be good.

[@aarongoodee]

I appreciate your feedback. Do you happen to have any data on the issues with the e-LSD? Specifically, what sort of problems with the e-LSD (Prestige Models) have you experienced? I am not doubting your observation/experience; I am very interested in obtaining more detail if possible. Thank you in advance for your time..

[@turnne]

Lexus is not eating the German brands lunch, as was said at the beginning of this video.....in fact in the upper price rangers its quite the opposite. The majority of Lexus sales, in the United States are their lower end crossovers and the ES sedan

[@tonysterbenc]

And the ES is outselling the G80, and the G90's sales are miniscule. There's not much top-end gas-engine sedan market to go around anymore.

[@PresidentJackBauer]

Selling a car after 3 years is silly when you can lease and save money. If you are going to buy, buy off lease and then depreciation doesn't matter. Drive it till it dies.

[@Jmarzx]

Very true 💯

[@tonysterbenc]

You don't save money compared to a straight-up purchase by buying off lease. Both are buying, both leave you owning the car, absorbing all its depreciation, and living with its problems if it's less than durable.

[@PresidentJackBauer]

@@tonysterbenc buying a new car at $50k will depreciate to roughly $35k or less within the first 3 years. But the same car used at $35k and it'll depreciate to roughly $25k over the next 3 years both assuming you drive the average of 12k miles a year. I don't recommend selling either once you bought the car, but buying used has both a lower purchase price and lower depreciation. For example the g80 3.3t is 65k to start but a cpo with 2023 with 19k miles is 47k. Saving $18k.

[@KoreanAmericanLawyer.NewPortBe]

Hyundai Kia are killing it!!

[@zarbon700]

Killing it in high depreciation.

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

@@zarbon700 meanwhile toyota isn't reliable like it used to be. SAD that HK has surpassed toyota.

[@zarbon700]

@@darkivaz-aaa1145 Please stay off the drugs.

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

@@zarbon700 please get off of akido toyota's crotch bro.

[@javim2589]

ok, many topics to cover: 1- Loved that lift over oversteer on that change of height and steering angle. If you pull off a hard right turn exiting with a powerslide would have been epic indeed. 2- Value on these big "unknown" sedans fall like a rock these days but yeah... 47% in just 3 years is absolutely nuts. But could always be worst... could be.... Taycan kind of worst :D 3- The interior quality it´s ok, nothing special but i guess unique in its own way. 4- Sedans over 2T of weight to me are in a "HELL NO!!" category. In fact 2T is my mental limit but metal must be cheap these days cause they get fatter and fatter. 5- Here in the EU a PHEV version of it would be just right given that already costs quite some money and wouldn´t be much of a stretch for people who actually want a Genesis (not many)

[@thomaswattle9828]

some more than others The rate of depreciation for a car varies depending on many factors, including its make, model, year, mileage, and powertrain. Some cars that depreciate the fastest include: Maserati Quattroporte: Depreciates 64.5% over five years BMW 7 Series: Depreciates 61.8% over five years Maserati Ghibli: Depreciates 61.3% over five years BMW 5 Series: Depreciates 58.8% over five years BMW X5: Depreciates 58.2% over five years Infiniti QX80: Depreciates 58.1% over five years Maserati Levante: Depreciates 57.8% over five years Jaguar XF: Depreciates 57.6% over five years Audi A7: Depreciates 57.2% over five years Audi Q7: Depreciates 56.8% over five years

[@javim2589]

@@thomaswattle9828 wow, that's more info I expected to get hehe. I always heard it's about an average of 50% over the first 5 years. Except if you have a zonda which appreciates at 100% the first day you get it 😃😃

[@masteryayi]

I see these as alternatives to Lexus, not BMW.

[@jessiewright1975]

why Lexus !!!!!

[@johnholst]

I guess you don't know, but Lexus has no competitor in this class (anymore).

[@Dakotastx]

More of a Mercedes alternative I think

[@thomaswattle9828]

I guess that can be taken as a complement

[@bawintermage8351]

Fuel economy? Hahahahahah. Genny is thirsty, always.

[@jiljwc]

Big Facts!!! And forbid you have a lead foot like mine 😂 Love to let the 3.3T flex its muscle here & there! 😂

[@adamwright6433]

What trim interior level adds wood? Luxury has a wood interior trim. Carbon fiber is for sports cars.

[@tonysterbenc]

That's a big problem with this car. You can't get leather, wood and a V6 in any G80. For me personally, that's a deal-breaking fail.

[@harrytej]

Reliable?

[@thomaswattle9828]

no problems after two years and 50+k miles

[@tonysterbenc]

Surveys say not especially.

[@brianvenable5350]

Will hold better resale than a Lucid or Taycan.

[@adventsociety5382]

not a fair comparison tbh

[@jea1034]

What an overly complex depreciation comparison. Just spec the cars as close as possible. Then, give us the TCO and resale valueover the 3 years.

[@stea2494]

Love the Genesis G80 but not the steep price and depreciation

[@thomaswattle9828]

google top car model depreciation

[@tom11zz884]

They depreciate as bad as Nissans I would never buy one brand spanking new.

[@stea2494]

@@thomaswattle9828 oh i know and my BMW x5 is way up on that list lol, but i know i’m driving the top rated luxury suv on CR

[@stea2494]

@@tom11zz884 nissan… is that a car company? Or just a garbage container company

[@thomaswattle9828]

latest studies put the G80 in the middle of the pack on depreciation.

[@Vince_F]

That massive screen is not integrated into the dash at all. Begs the question WTF?🤔

[@josephboot1]

Electrical System Issues Navigation system failure, including blank screens and inability to function properly Lane departure warning and assist system malfunctions Electrical short circuits in the anti-lock brake system module, leading to potential engine-compartment fires (recall affecting certain 2015-2020 models) Transmission and Powertrain Problems Transmission whining noise when decelerating (reported in a 2016 model) Transmission issues leading to loaner car availability problems (reported in a 2021 model) Suspension and seat comfort issues (reported in a 2021 model) Recalls Recall NHTSA Campaign Number 23V094000 affecting 65,517 Genesis vehicles, including the 2021-2023 G80, due to a fire risk Previous recalls for the 2018 G80, including six NHTSA recalls Other Issues Tire problems (reported in a 2021 model) Fuel tube seal issues, potentially leading to fuel leaks (reported in a 2021 model) Car alarm malfunctions (reported in a 2022 model)

[@i.d.6492]

I'd never get a lexus. Apart from isf there's nothing exciting and fun and unique, it's a same old boring safe design with Nike drl headlights. Reliable yes but I don't need a reliability when I'm not going to meet he car passed 100K miles

[@dswaggs92]

Guess I'm gonna have to buy used when it's time for my next car. I have always loved Genesis but they're loosing me with these hideous touchscreens glued to the top of the dash. Aside from being ugly, you used to be concerned about the drivetrain when you bought a used car. Now you're going to have to worry about how much that screen will cost when it dies. They're not going to be cheap.

[@joestuff8]

What car doesn't have a huge screen??

[@boston500ful]

It will never ever in a million years be as good as a true german sedan period.

[@Mrmajellan123]

You can.predict that far into the futire?

[@thomaswattle9828]

Ja sir, er fuhlte sich bedroht

[@seannotaro473]

Best priced used car... .buy used only

[@thomaswattle9828]

uh ..... NO.

[@jw6188]

These are now 540i money with none of the driving dynamics or powertrain brilliance/ amazing MPG/ huge dealership network and now that BMW has got their reliability way up with the b58/b48 why would you buy the knockoff???

[@thomaswattle9828]

because I drove BMW's for three decades, very expensive upkeep and repairs. $300 bucks for oil change ....Fuk off!

[@thomaswattle9828]

glad BMW is working on reliability. The last three I owned cost me a small fortune to keep on the road

[@tom11zz884]

With none of 540i reliability issues either...........

[@PLZU81Truth]

Definitely go the Lexus route.

[@thomaswattle9828]

not with a inline four cylinder

[@dalehuhtala9285]

Wow, harsh...

[@2Bunphettered788]

$8️⃣0️⃣K?? 🤯 No! 👎🏾 (Nice looking car though).😉

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

broke

[@Albie-l5t]

I really don't like the screens. They look cheap

[@jonesjones7057]

Agreed. Looks cheap and absolutely hideous.

[@zarbon700]

Genesis high depreciation means it doesn't have Lexus reliable .

[@thomaswattle9828]

that's why Genesis offers 10 year /100k warranty coverage

[@zarbon700]

@@thomaswattle9828 Many Hyundai, Kia and Genesis buyers have experienced the pain of getting dealerships to honor the warranty. If their vehicles were known for strong reliability, they wouldn't need to offer a 100,000 mile.

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

@@zarbon700 false. You really don't know anything about cars especially Hyundai and KIA expect for toyota and lexus.

[@zarbon700]

@@darkivaz-aaa1145 You're comment proves you know nothing about how depreciation is calculated. Reliability, average number of repairs, and average cost of repairs play major factors in determining used market prices. This is why Genesis has a 50% higher depreciation rate than Lexus.

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

@@zarbon700 false again. You obviously don't know nothing about cars. You just saying that because of your disliking of Korean cars and worship toyota and lexus. This proves you are nothing but a babbling jap fanboy.

[@Slickpete83]

*just forget get about it , and buy a Lexus, we'll see in 10 years if these are built to last past warranty*

[@jackz4149]

Lexus has nothing comparable unless you pay 100k for a LS500

[@bassandtrebleclef]

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[@kenyaswallow5782]

my 2008 LS was the biggest money sinkhole that I had to get rid of it

[@thomaswattle9828]

because Lexus looks like a box of cracker with wheels

[@darkivaz-aaa1145]

Lexus ain't reliable

[@wholeNwon]

Lexus reliable? After you've spent 26 yrs. with that car like I have with my LS400, then you'll know. My bet: It's NOT. A friend of mine has had one for a few yrs. and his experience has not been good. I'll certainly never buy one.

[@ronnymb67]

Back when they were still building them well and to be reliable as a long-term vehicle. Something tells me that a 2024 will not be on the road in 2050. Toyota as a whole seems to have taken the same direction as the Germans. As long as it gets through the warranty period with the fewest claims as possible, send it.

[@wholeNwon]

@@ronnymb67 As always, it's all relative.

[@turnne]

I would suggest you compare the same year and comparable model....Comparing to something od decades ago makes no sense

[@tom11zz884]

I highly doubt the newer Lexus models will be as reliable as the old ones. Most new cars just aren't that reliable anymore. They are not engineered the same way.

[@wholeNwon]

@@tom11zz884 The experience of others seems to have borne that out.

[@joker_season]

Lol wake up cavemen! The most advanced ship building industry, super advanced military weapons tank,howitzer, missile, 10 out 6 highest skyscraper all made by korea. semiconductors 3nano meter or below ultra technologically advanced industry only by korea and Taiwan. And you doubt Korean car?

[@timothyburnside3229]

All you need to know is the engine issues with Hyundai and Kia, multiple class action lawsuits and they knew the engines were junk! No comparison to Lexus as far as reliability or value and it does not perform like the German vehicles, but maintenance is less if engine holds up! Not anywhere near the prestige or resale, I will pass!

[@i.d.6492]

The brainwashed boomer still living in the past. Never driven the car. The lexus is far worse, milking reliability and that's all they have. No innovation no fun no quality. Same old safe bs every year 🤡. Never in my life I'll ever sit inside shitty outaded grandpa lexus

[@turnne]

You are talking about the 4 cylinders from years ago...I think these cars do indeed represent a better value than a Lexus does. No it doesnt perform like the Germans, but nothing does. As for prestige. If that is a driver then you were only considering the Germans anyway

[@thomaswattle9828]

2.5 and 3.5 were developed by Genesis , Google 2024 top ten depreciation car models

[@tonysterbenc]

@@thomaswattle9828 2.5 is a Hyundai engine. C'mon.

[@67keyakaren68]

The Fb groups and forums are full of people with all sorts of issues. and they now score poorly in jd power

[@ronnymb67]

As is the case for most every car. Find a page specific to any vehicle or brand and you're bound to find people posting nothing but issues. People rarely go to an internet forum and say "Hey my car is wonderful! Just wanted to tell you that today!" My neighbor picked his daughter up a brand new Corolla in 2022. Four days later it was towed out of the driveway with no reverse. Right next to his white Camry that had a 2fr sheet of paint peel off the left rear door.

[@67keyakaren68]

@@ronnymb67 nah don’t equate this was others. The genesis groups are pretty bad. In addition the lack of dealer support is bad too

[@ronnymb67]

@@67keyakaren68 You are absolutely correct. Their dealership network at the moment is still piss poor. They went about it all wrong. But I absolutely can and will talk about unreliability when it relates to other brands. Unreliability is unreliability, regardless of dealership network. I'm semi-retired at this point, but I spent nearly 30 years in the repair industry. During that time, I was a service rep for Volkswagen, Audi, Land Rover, and Mercedes. No matter how much the majority of people I took care of loved me, and no matter how great the customer lounge and coffee were, they didn't want to see me 7x in 40,000 miles. They didn't want to be broken down on the side of the road or in their own garages, multiple times. Even a great dealership isn't going to prevent your S Class Coupe or G Wagen from being a buyback..

[@tom11zz884]

They are too overaggressive with the styling that ages too quickly Couple with poor reliability and high depreciation. No thanks.

[@thomaswattle9828]

source ?

[@tonysterbenc]

@@thomaswattle9828 Consumer Reports. Their reliability was below average before their sales sagged to the point where there wasn't enough data, and the G80's mechanical twin the GV80 has registered below-average reliability for the last 3 model years in a row.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

These have fallen down design wise on the interior. Poor ux, over reliance on haptics and screens. Too expensive. Easy pass.

[@i.d.6492]

Have you driven one?🤡🤣

[@NanNuthinGetyourmindright]

@@i.d.6492nope, he haven’t. People just run their mouths.

[@garyclark6747]

Wow, so the IONIQ 5 weights s a few hundred pounds more and depreciates about a percent quicker but it’s a whole lot faster…🤔🤷🏻 12:44