Living with the LIGHTEST 2018 Porsche Panamera: Does a 20% weight reduction change the equation?

[@jgblende]

I currently own a Panamera 4 e-hybrid and to me it's the best version of the Panamera. The power is at the sweet spot where you can actually use it and you have no turbo lag. And from a cost perspective compared to the 96k price of the car in the video, for a few thousand more (104k), you get like 90% of the options in the video as standard (still need the rims and rear steering which brings it to 104k). Plus from a power standpoint, the base is 3330hp/331lb which has the turbo lag. In the hybrid you get 462hp/ 516lb all of which is pretty much instant as soon as you get on the pedal. And if you don't need all that power around town, you switch to only using the electric motor and save some gas lol.

[@dlg5485]

As much as I LOVE Porsche, their options pricing is enough to make a person go postal. It's utterly absurd what they charge for the most benign extras.

[@KidKingdomHearts]

BMW's $300 for Apple Carplay is the most hilarious for me. And Porsche hundreds for ventilated seats, $300 for heated steering wheel 😂😂 ridiculous

[@MStar10]

@mchong3131 yes but no keyless entry? Come on porsche?? And why no android auto??

[@MegaWebsters]

The sweet spot in this range is the 4S in my opinion. Lighter and more agile than the V8's and electric. The 4S has a twin turbo V6 producing 440HP with 4WD.

[@mortensenvick5711]

Also if you ask Porsche to delete the sunroof they will do, because in Germany it's not standard equipment. You save pounds and get a lower baricenter

[@davidwilson9127]

The 2021 base model Panamera is now the best version as its only 1815kg (4001lb) as the new 2.9 L V6 twin turbo engine is 14kg (31lbs) lighter than the previous 3L V6 single turbo engine. The new 2.9L V6 has been detuned to 330 HP meaning that its easily upgraded via ECU or race chip to 500 HP. Forget the Panamera hybrid version it adds 350kg (770lbs) in batteries, electric motor and cables, making it use an extra 2 litres/100km in fuel due to the extra weight being lugged around when in ICE mode. The new base model Panamera in Australia now comes as standard with heads up display, Adaptive air suspension including Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM), Power steering Plus and sports steering wheel, Lane Keeping Assist , Soft-close doors, Lane Change Assist. Park assist with surround view and Adaptive cruise control. Radar. The base model handles better than any other Panamera due to it weighing considerably less. No need for any option now besides 20" or 21" wheels.

[@m27gio]

Do you know how you can tune it?

[@terry3856]

I currently own a 2010 panamera 4S, love it. After a year of searching, testing, I would never consider anything outside the Porsche family. The combination of luxury, performance, handling and dependability make it an incredible used car option. You may not get to spec it out, but you certainly let someone else pay for all the options. Smiling in KC, I would definitely go for another Panamera. Thank you for all your the great Porsche reviews. I envy your opportunities and look forward to the 2018s to depreciate to my price range.

[@USARAY1947]

This car should be the most expensive Panamara because with Porsche, as the weight goes down, the price goes up.

[@erikhertzer8434]

USARAY1947 ...correct...because you have to pay for the extra engineering to properly purge the weight...

[@robatross141]

Awesome review. Glad to know it has plenty of power. You helped convince me to get a base model Panamera with all the options I want rather than getting a 4S and having to compromise on options.

[@ansgarhorrig1186]

I actually currently own a Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo. I love this car and I actually am allowed to drive the high Speed on specific public roads. I owned an S 63 S before and as a self Driver I prefer the Porsche. Never mind the S-Class is a gorgeouse car, indeed. It´s better to be driven in as drive it yourself. Aspecially, when you like to go on smaller curvier roads.

[@torocars9227]

Still have that panamera hybrid on original battery?

[@askaribr1]

one of the best stuff i got from you beside the review that is unique is that you share the location where you are and the beauty of CAli. thank you

[@ManuJohn380]

I personally will choose the LS500. I believe the LS has the better styling, options, driving dynamics, luxury and brand cachet combined for the segment and MSRP. LS also has the best engine in the segment and for the price.

[@really9025]

Manu j p

[@ManuJohn380]

Crow Killer so you are telling me that this Panemera is worth the $970000. The LEXUS LS 500 is much better car IMO. And yes the LS500 has both the value and driving dynamics.

[@ManuJohn380]

M Dac very trivial and meaningful comment.😔

[@ManuJohn380]

Crow Killer lol. I know about Porches history and heritage. But you are just being ignorant saying only European automobile manufacturer can build the best automobile. Lexus has build a better luxury ls500 for the price compared to Panamera, That's all I am saying. Plus Lexus has build up pretty amazing reputation for themselves, considering the company is only 30 years old.

[@skagerstrom]

Isn't german cars the defention of soulless peaces of machinery? ;) Regarding the drive - it's nothing magic to it. If Lexus wanted they could. But now their into this plushier luxury/GT segment so it's not really gonna happen. But you have the LFA as a little hint :P Even though it was expensive as hell. Actually - I think anyone in the car bussiness could do practically anything. They just need money and someone to buy the product. Except for one thing - Italians and Brits can't build reliable cars. Germans can but they are mostly to ignorant to do it. Porsche, from what I heard, have a very high qualty standard for beeing germans.

[@nupecarrera]

I agree with D LG. I owned two Porsches and the ownership experience was great. However other dealerships have caught up (especially if it is the same dealer with a different manufacturer). With Porsche I always felt that it was a honor to be over charged. At first I bought in, now I drive something with very similar performance (if not better) for far less. I am good.

[@kangzau1006]

I would pick balance P P over super duper fast. I was actually playing around with the configuratot and came to the same conclusion. Sit in, rather than sit on is a really good observation.

[@jackdawson3276]

I think the 4S is the sweetspot. Light with good HP. I have a 2018 4S and live in NYC. The 4S is light enough and has pretty good HP. I have the rear wheel steering,, sports chrono, and air suspension.

[@70s80sVintage]

I have a 2020 Panamera 4 (triple black - all blacked out - with all black OEM 21" wheels) and I'm overall pleased with the performance, suspension, and utility of my car. My 911 (997.1 sold during COVID for a profit - and also triple black - but REGRET selling BIGTIME!!!!) was amazing. But the performance and driving is surprisingly similar...but the drive and tech is more refined. Its a gorgeous car to look at and to drive. And I paid 50% of original sticker earlier this year. Yes, it will depreciate - so don't beat me up. But if I wanted a car to appreciate - I would have bought an early 70's Porsche 911 - and couldn't afford that without turning my life into a Dateline episode. So for those looking for Porsche performance and luxury and head-turning - is it the best? Of course, NO - but its a great choice. Quality is outstanding. No issues at all - and I have taken no less than 6 extended roadtrips in the car. Gas mileage is very good. I get in and I have 700+ until empty because of the 23+ gallon tank. Overall - a great value and style for the money! Couple gripes - lack of more USB ports up front, wireless charging capability, and full screen CarPlay. (My car automatically opens with key in pocket.)

[@Stinger430]

What a world we live in when a 4,000 lb sedan is the lightweight version.

[@sphong0610]

I drive a Cayenne GTS which is kinda like that "light" Panamera in the video so if I had to choose I would probably go for it. In all seriousness I wanted to spec my Cayenne this kind of way too. Just checking the options that improve driving and a few quality of life options but not going for the extras. The reason I got the GTS instead was because I didn't want to pay more for less and the GTS has an amazing kit for the price. Oh well.. I will get that barebones driving car someday hopefully.

[@Tdeegs]

Fantastic review as always. Thanks.

[@davidmartin7624]

I just ordered a base Panamera set up like this one with all the handling bits. I did opt for better 21" wheels tho. Was a tough decision not to go with more hp and if there was a RWD S model I'd have gotten it. Thanks for the great video that helped with my decision. I did drive a base and a TT and the base handled more like a long wheelbase 911 to me.

[@mortensenvick5711]

I ordered one worhout the sunroof, deleting from the factory helped my to shave pounds and lower the baricenter. Also 1 thing less that can get broken

[@mikeweez]

You were right in front of my grandmas lol. Just got a panamera 4s as well! Thanks for the review

[@nevedsanta4851]

Shopping for a car now and debating between this Panamera or 2019 Mercedes cls amg53. I would think the proper comparison for this car would be cls, Audi A7 (or S7), and BMW 6 series.

[@Brandonarmistead5]

Which car did you end up getting?

[@mortensenvick5711]

S7

[@bbrescia8697]

Really confused on who the buyer is for this car ... If you are just checking boxes a Stinger does all this and better for the half the cost. But say you are "brand aware", just get an Audi S7 (same company), you get more performance for about 12k less. While I commend the low down torque, is great for city driving the other numbers seem very bland. Again for the price, I have no idea who would buy an "underpowered Porsche". If you have 93k to spend on car, you probably have 115k etc ..

[@grinch744]

I am watching this and does he ever say what engine is in this?

[@paulandrebeccak5680]

We have a Stinger GT2, is the Panamera worth twice the price?

[@joetacchino4470]

Paul and Rebecca K No. This coming from a Porsche owner.

[@paulandrebeccak5680]

Joe Tacchino yeah, we had a 981 Boxster and it was great, but our Fiat 124 is nearly as fun for half the price too. We considered a used Panamera too and they are very nice but the Kia has more features plus the reliability and warranty. It’s a blast to drive, but some interior bits could be nicer.

[@iSOBigD]

And it comes with more power and features than this particular Panamera. It could not keep up with a fully loaded one of course, but then it would be around 1/3 of the price too.

[@soulmaster63]

Paul and Rebecca K . In a perfect world you are correct. The Stinger is a terrific value proposition. I was extremely impressed with the handling, power and appointments of this $50,000 car. If my budget were no greater than $50k and I needed a sedan, the Stinger would be on my short list 😊

[@iSOBigD]

Don't forget the G70!

[@LlyleHunter]

I love this car!I'm glad that the missiles didn't detonate but you missed out on an opportunity for a great sight gag.

[@AngelManuelPerez]

What about the G90? Anyway, I'd pick the S-class for that infotainment and due to how silent and comfortable the ride is, it's wondrous. On a side note, when are you getting a G70? I'd love to hear your thoughts on that...

[@4fastdrs]

The Question is, at what price do you stop having to take the key out of your pocket?

[@joetacchino4470]

Michael Daniels II Keyless entry is a ridiculous $1k plus on this car. Considering it already has keyless start...ridiculous.

[@MBisFrenchy]

I really like that exterior color.

[@chrisogrady28]

Can you buy a manual Panamera? Because I want one

[@GY9944]

Christopher O'Grady only in the older 2 generations of Panamera/Panamera S came with manual options, if im not mistaken

[@MotoManTV]

Sadly, no, and yes, I want one too . . . However, have to agree with them on this one and you and I would be the only two people that would buy it. I think one of these days I may try to find a used one that had the manual - but then short Tesla stock so I float the repair bills:)

[@monfrancaisaccount69monfra8]

MotoManTV me too

[@joeyn8046]

I've had a 7 series and a first generation Panamera Now I drive an Alpine B7 but I still miss porsche

[@MistahWorldwide]

I would choose Lexus LS500, mainly because I think it excels in the luxury aspect over the Panamera. I also think it looks better because of how dramatically different it is from the rest of the competition. The sporty factor of the Panamera is tempting, but if I wanted a sporty sedan I would go for a GSF or an M5.

[@robertkotroczo7908]

That delay drives me crazy. I testdrove both an Audi S5 and RS5 Sportback, which share engines with this car. Disappointment is an understatement. I could not live with that delay on a daily basis. At first I thought it was me and did several long testdrives. It's not me. You roll onto the throttle, nothing happens for 2 seconds. 2 SECONDS. Then wham! Not a great daily IMHO.

[@n0rep1y]

robert kotroczo virtually instant response in Sport mode, even without Sport Chrono.

[@mortensenvick5711]

Did you drive in sport mode?

[@f10bmw64]

My hard working father owns a E-hybride and the everyhing looks fine but there are some problems. There are only 4 seats and not 5 the piano black interior can give you full of scratches and fingerprints and the biggest one is that its suffering from a turbo lag damn. it just a shame he payed it for 150k Euro its alot of euros and especially in Belguim the taxes and insurgance are massive high if you are not leasing it. But overall the desing is nice aerodynamic is really great and space is nice too but i'll give you this you really need to take comfort seats.

[@trihardcx6743]

advan GT You can get 5 seats with the Sport Turismo version.

[@f10bmw64]

TriHard well it still will be suffering from a turbo lag 😂

[@trihardcx6743]

advan GT Wouldn't the torque from the electric motor make up for the turbo lag though?

[@MichaelFrancis222]

Don't own any of those, I would buy the base S, probably upgrade the tires and go.

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

The 2021 base Panamera dumps the old single turbo Audi 3.0L engine and replaces it with a de-tuned 2.9L twin turbo Porsche engine from the S version. And it comes with better steering and the 911 steering wheel. :)

[@mainlymusicman]

you really need to apply some audio compression to your videos. theirs so much variation in volume especially with how you suddenly start to SHOUT and YELL suddenly. followed by ever-so-quiet dialogue. put a little more thought into these things.

[@MotoManTV]

Sir! While I appreciate the feedback and take by your comment and your YT Channel name, post production and/or music is your thing, the reality is this: The economics of KZbin do not support what you are asking. Most who watch this show agree, it is very high quality from a production standpoint - higher than most on this platform. If you were to put some 'thought' into these things, you would see what is successful on KZbin is low quality and HIGH volume. What you are asking for would only add to the post production process that is not supported financially by the views from this platform. You may not feel we have put thought into this process, however there are many items beyond audio that we would love to do but we are no longer willing to do only to be buried by a punishing algorithm. If the audio is that much of a problem, totally understand you watching elsewhere . . .

[@mainlymusicman]

@@MotoManTV actually you have actually already achieved the hardest part - capturing good quality audio. what I'm suggesting, your video editing application is most likely already capable of doing. not sure which software you use.. adobe premiere? etc. simply drop a compressor effect onto the file timeline and boom! everything is at HIGH volume.

[@AmitSharma-tj5tx]

At 4:42 are they "NUCLEAR BOMBS" OR "HYDROGEN BOMBS" 🚀🚀🎳🎳 I m afraid man

[@lilliu90716]

As a Ls500 and Panamera GTS owner, I love the gts V8 and crazy grip, but every time I go to garage, I would pick the LS. My wife is the opposite though:)

[@gexpe2003]

this lightweight spec is the best

[@mikehlee69]

At least floor mats are “included “

[@galvani14]

No it doesn't!!! Not in Spain. 196€ 😂😂

[@scottmoerschbacher8664]

You should sign off of your videos with "bis zum naechsten mal" instead of "bis spaeter" - it seems more appropriate. Otherwise, I quite enjoy your Deutsch from time to time. Vielen Dank.

[@erikhertzer8434]

Scott Moerschbacher : ...or “Schuss”

[@scottmoerschbacher8664]

Erik Hertzer I think you mean “Tschüß” my friend. Yes that would be a good way as well. “Schuss” means “shot” as from a weapon. Grüße

[@erikhertzer8434]

Scott Moerschbacher : Scott, you are Correct, Schuss I think also means skiing down a mountain...plus I didnt know how to make an umlaut, lol!

[@sphong0610]

Du hast Recht. "Bis später" is more for when you actually physically meet the person instead of a video like this.

[@glider1232]

Sorry, I have an '18 Cayenne and kind of like having a key, pushing the button to unlock and actually turning the key to start the car!! Also, none of those slimeball crooks can amplify a signal and steal my car with the "old fashion " system.. And I always know where my key is!

[@shannonjude1]

s class. for my wants and needs its everything.v12 please :)

[@harehvinrsamy4452]

Love this S e hybrid to max

[@javifabela]

Not going to answer your question I am going to ask you one. How much does an m5 cost?

[@f10bmw64]

The new model or ??

[@MotoManTV]

You know the answer . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6K2hYmJf7pkn9E

[@joetacchino4470]

Understand why you asked this. For less than a comparably equipped Panny S, The M5 spanks it on every department. It’s got similar sized interior space (really) a LOT more power, equal if not better handling, much higher level of features, etc. Porsche markets the Panamera as a competitor to the 7 and S, but interior space is more like that of the 5 and E. But the pricing is like the 7. No bueno. Plus the car is HUGE.

[@n0rep1y]

Joe Tacchino M5 is like a big fat juicy sandwich from Arby’s. Relatively inexpensive and will fill you up. Pana is a lean prime beef sandwich from Smith and Wollensky. Expensive and lighter portion.

[@soulmaster63]

I had the use of a $96,000 “base” Panamera while my P car was in for routine maintenance. I was shocked to see the window sticker. The overall car was OK, but the the materials , fit and finish weren’t worthy of a $100,000 automobile. The engine was somewhat responsive but suffered from immense turbo lag under hard initial acceleration. My other car is a well equipped Mercedes C63s. Although not quite as spacious, it’s better than the Panamera in almost every category. Given the choice of any number of luxury German sedans, I would always choose Mercedes; they understand the language of luxury appointments and comfort at a higher level than most manufacturers.

[@WanderinHawk]

you're comparing a top of the line C class vs a stripper panamera, of course its gonna be better lol. Porsche just puts the 100k price tag because they can, not because its reasonable or correctly justified

[@soulmaster63]

WanderinHawk. Indeed, however, the C63 is but a lowly C class with a great engine and suspension tweaks. The interior is just a C class interior. It’s quite good for its price point. Don’t you agree?

[@WanderinHawk]

the interior of a base C class (C180) is plastic and the seats are cloth, that is completely different from what you get in a C63

[@soulmaster63]

WanderinHawk. I’m speaking of US trim levels. We only have the C300 as a base car. I completely understand your perspective 😀

[@GY9944]

AMGenius An AMG Lifestyle Channel Reasonable on a lot of levels. But then again your account name sounds like what Raziz Roken (Remove Before Race) would use to anonymously roam KZbin to hunt for BMW fanboys so i’m takin’ it with a pinch of salt lol. I don’t mean to offend you by any means, btw.

[@erikhertzer8434]

Sometimes reminds of Woody Allen doing a care review. Love his reviews

[@junito1008]

Porsche letting us know that they shaved more than 1,000lbs in a car, should be taken as an achievement or an embarrassment !? 🤔 How Do you have an 1K lbs overweight car on the streets !? 👎🏼

[@cleric3236]

because modern cars are full of shit which nobody needs

[@growrich119]

this might be as close to a modern 928 experience as Porsche gets it at this point

[@erikhertzer8434]

Christian Wagner : yes, and they need to make a 2- door Panamera...and perhaps call it the 928 as a homage

[@aftastosk6016]

For me it's still far away from a 928

[@porschecarreragt1985]

panamera of course

[@detroitculture.]

right by my old house up on the hill

[@jagmohan909]

Pretty much the same power train as an Audi A6 3.0 which costs half the price

[@jagmohan909]

Or an A7

[@junito1008]

New Panamera looks like the old Panamera !!

[@glider1232]

Not in the back.. Subtle.. but on the whole.. a BIG difference.. for the better.

[@MotoManTV]

Could not agree more . . . . The very slight changes they made in the Arse end completely fix what was its more ungainly angle . . .

[@GY9944]

Junito Punto Comm “meet the new Boxster, same as the old Boxster” lol

[@USARAY1947]

Watch the old Top Gear guys' reacting to the Panamara's looks. Stay 'til the end, it's hilarious. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ7Ilnlvj9meeaM

[@GY9944]

USARAY1947 lol i know that god i miss those guys

[@icebeer871]

The keyless go feature at the end is an option and in Europe it is considered a bonus NOT to have it as standard. Even the latest keyless go systems are easy to crack for the car thief gangs from eastern Europe.

[@hugochavez4382]

Still too effin big Dr Porsche would not have approved.

[@erikhertzer8434]

Hugo Chavez : remember...the revenues from the non-sport car Panamera and Cayenne helps keep the 911 forever in production. Like the 924, the Cayenne is the unsung hero of Porsches, as it saved Porsche back in the early 2000’s from financial ruin or a buyout....and enable the legendary 911 to be further developed

[@hendelar]

Puts the lag back in turbo. Annoying as ever.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

George, the Panamera is great, but it's not 100k great. It just isn't. It's not special enough, it's not fast enough and it's not luxurious enough. It's not just a questionable value... It's straight away not worth the price. The XJ V8 and Supercharged are worth the price. Same category, similar price, but you get what you paid for. Not with the P car here.

[@glider1232]

After you actually drive it and live with it for a while.. you will see that it really is worth the price..

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Perhaps, but comparing it to other cars like the XJ or LS, you realize that when it comes to sedans, there are some awfully good choices. And I'm not the first person to observe that the Panamera is a car that struggles to prove it's price tag.

[@glider1232]

Lol.. really hard to out do the build quality of Porsche.. Especially Jag.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

I don't expect to persuade you. You clearly love Porsche. That's fine, but I drove these cars and compared. I didn't see where the price premium was delivered.

[@glider1232]

I understand.. Interesting that I have heard and read from many sources (here included) just the opposite.. That the Panamera is superior in ways that matter to many buyers.. I did recently drive a Jag and thought it was nice.. But kind of soft, rather boring to drive and the materials did not look to me like they would stand the test of time.. I guess I prefer the german build better.

[@jagmohan909]

Audi A7 in a disguise