LL4D Byrna LE - Velocity ✅ Byrna, Delrin, MCS, Grimburg and Riot Balls

[@Maybaby1959]

You are the first review that makes sense. The le looks good. But remember heavy balls at lower speeds does not mean bad. It’s shooting popcorn balls to cannon balls. Kinetic force on a heavy ball will make the difference.

[@danofiremano]

Thanks for doing this and sharing it with us. My LE is getting a kydex holster made & I'll be shooting it for the first time on Saturday!

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Awesome have fun!

[@darkhorseeuc]

Man, I want one one those. The Valken for at home, and the LE for out and about.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Thats a solid plan 🔥

[@desmonddoss6718]

Hello Shaun ! Super vidéos séries about the Byrna LE I lurn a lot 👍 Take care Bro 🙏🇲🇫🇨🇦

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Merci mon ami. 🤘🏼

[@uncleremus64]

Thank you for the video. Like you, I believe that the Byrna LE is designed for projectiles that weigh around 3g. I've seen enough testing here on YT and with the significant drop off of power/velocity when using heavier rounds, I'll stay in that 3g range for projectile weight. The Byrna Kinetic rounds are pricey. MCS makes a .68 cal "ceramic polymer" round that I use to practice with. They weigh 3.2g and I can purchase 500 for $100. I do have both, and the MCS rounds perform as well as the Byrna Kinetics.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Thanks for watching. Ceramic poly 3.2g you say? I haven’t seen those ill have to have another look 👀. They sound promising.

[@Joreel]

I bought some of those rounds a month ago and they fire so smoothly. Definitely worth the price for good quality practice ammo.

[@tomheisler9273]

Have you measured bore size on these?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@tomheisler9273bore size on the ceramic polymer?

[@tomheisler9273]

@@lesslethalfordummies yes

[@runerebel8441]

Great test as always Sean👍. Glad you figured out the triggerpul issue. Looking forward to more videos 🙂👍

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I have received some other information from our great community in regards to my trigger issue. Still my fault but ill have to do a follow up video.

[@runerebel8441]

Ok. Looking forward to more videos @@lesslethalfordummies 😃

[@robertabrubaker3848]

Couple of thoughts. Be interesting to go the other way, i.e. What happens, Joule wise, when you go below the Byrna ball weight. Also you mention $$$ equip to measure down range impact. Using 'ballistic gel' is a cheap way to do accurate impact measurement (you don't need much for these CO2 projectiles)

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Good point regarding trying some lighter projectiles just for kicks. Lightest i have are 2.7g i think. I do have some ballistic gel here i have been using on some Umarex stuff of late. Maybe ill break out the ole Byrna.

[@user-bf6go9nf6g]

Great video and subject matter. Even though the lighter rounds have greater muzzle velocity and joules the heavier rounds may penetrate deeper given they have more momentum due to their weight. But it is hard to figure out where the sweet spot for impact force is, as too much weight produces diminishing returns. Not sure how to best test it, looking forward to what you might come up with.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

You are exactly right about diminishing returns. In a more powerful marker it makes sense to use heavier rounds and i have actually had higher muzzle velocities doing so. I am working on locating something for testing. The problem i have with ballistics gel is people are shooting at it point blank and this doesn’t demonstrate the impact force at a given distance. I want to have a measurable number so that it might correlate with pain.

[@edgefinesse4700]

What about tpe sex dolls for feed back 🙃🙃

[@Alphastarcar]

Excellent projectile testing. You’ve convinced me to stick with Byrna projectiles for my LE. Thanks for sharing your results!

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I do have some more projectiles coming from my friend over at LLAF very soon. At the very least most projectiles do what they are supposed to. My opinion is to keep them 5g or less in this launcher.

[@thellc24-7]

Great comp vid! What do I type into Aliexpress to find these balls?💥💥💥

[@lesslethalfordummies]

My bad i bought these some time ago and it was actually eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/143475842652?hash=item2167d39e5c:g:IawAAOSwz8Vd-m-k&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4DDnPkGQ12TG5XiXmMtXREvzhREcRAJw1GEYj432Ib1D6FmAwnDNvWFNly5oR5IghXZ4Lc483zqQRnq3TxQhxTtLiP%2Boo%2BvSvCBKW3ivd1U0VIrHahpoUdL1XG6%2BdXm%2BK%2FS%2FZ23pgB0fY7iHezhh0G7B5IqV0BRBxPpFfOjKaC0F%2FGR6LBw67ZcaqbPjxtwig4M4mk5DDLyqKEFYLq71b8rh4irhHmhp6M4UZ36ZLgbwSIfYxCljQHFVnFOqvm53mZrafHECpGFeuIYP4vbZcWfVu4YeOauS0dIlQVZ20qe0%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4zW7pDrYg

[@legacyhairstudios4783]

I hate that Byrna designed such compatible products 😂😂 their brand seems to work best.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

They do big marketing well. There are so many projectiles out there that may very well perform better or at least equivalent that i just havent tried.

[@UlilangMatapang]

That new Grimburg Gavle looks like it will smoke all of those now.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The Gavale does have a distinct advantage in power that’s for sure no argument there. What the Gavale is missing is the quick puncture. Hopefully they can address that in the future.

[@UlilangMatapang]

Yes only 5 shots to get away from trouble also really. Nice video.

[@jaydawg116]

​@streetcred101 I do like that gavel for its higher velocity but yeah, no detachable magazine, no way to store the gas reliably while punctured/quick puncture are drawbacks. Perhaps carry two like the wild west? I mean, technically it's legal so why not? Lol, it'd be goofy as hell but it would get the job done...

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The mag is less of a bother. I think a quick pierce method should be the number one goal to sway the nay sayers.

[@ZackGoFast]

You were dead nuts. My hdp with a removed valve block did 14j max with glass ammo and 11j with rubber. My hdx got 34j with alluminum and 26 with nylon after valve block removal. Not a bad jump from two 7.5j airguns.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

There is more there and i am glad you have moved up incrementally. Too many go all in and have catastrophic failures. You must become one with your launcher.

[@ZackGoFast]

@@lesslethalfordummies I'm not going for maximums I'm going for effectiveness. Next weekend I will be the test subject. Hopefully on film.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

14j with the rubber balls is going to sting but you will realize unless you are handicapped by law and choose to abide by it….its not quite enough unless your are aiming for the face. It is more then adequate to break pepper balls which is why the hdp50 is only 7.5 almost everywhere.

[@ZackGoFast]

@@lesslethalfordummies handicapped affirmative. My EDC is a aea hp max .357 pcp carbine. Picked up the love for air guns of all kinds. If after shot by it I decide it doesn't qualify as a viable self defense option its still an awesome toy and I love tinkering. Although I have a lethal edc, I still seek somthing effective for my hip. So far the t4e have failed for that position as well as my hdp50 and byrna. Ill know if the hdx is viable for home use soon.

[@Joreel]

Just remember that if you're modding your launchers, you're also opening up the option for law enforcement and the DAs to come after you for Assault with a Deadly Weapon charge when you use them. There is a reason these launchers are sold as they are. If you choose to mod them, you're opening yourself up to liability issues... Just something to keep in mind.

[@wadedeeds1738]

Now what the best projectiles for salt S2. Tia.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Grimburg Juls seem to put up the best numbers. The Salt Supply arent bad either but i like them a little heavier.

[@robertshearer3409]

I have a question I don’t see anyone on the Internet at all comparing velocity with an HD or an SD that has an XL attached to it comparatively to the seven shot LA why not?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I think the main reason you dont see that comparison is the XL was discontinued. The XL should show a slight improvement in velocity over your standard short barrelled HD/SD throughout a mags worth. Now if Byrna sold spare XL/LE barrels to the general public you might get your wish. The XL does share the same longer barrel and 12g boost attachment of the LE model but thats where the similarities end internally.

[@brr8888]

The mag piercing function is great other than that theres better options

[@lesslethalfordummies]

It really is the best feature. Byrna can do better.

[@iamspecialized808]

I'd stick to the Byrna kinetics. That's what the LE was designed for.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Yes they have performed the best.

[@brucehershberger3521]

Excellent vid on the projectiles Shaun...just subscribed! I just purchased an LE and am still familiarizing myself with it. Can I ask, what material did you use in your bullet trap? Love the 55 gal plastic drum idea! Thanks

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Thank you 😊 The material i used in the trap was 1680 ballistic nylon 60” width 1 yard from Amazon. I just draped it over a wooden closet rod.

[@Manticore2024]

Good demonstration on the Byrna LE, but another thing that interests me is how long one CO2 cylinder will last. So I’d be interested to see you run 10 or 14 shots through a single CO2 cylinder and see how the results are. Let me know what you think please thanks.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The LE in factory form is good for about 4 mags on a single 12g , the first magazine producing the highest velocity. My modified LE is good for two magazines only.

[@jaydawg116]

How did you end up modifying the LE?​@@lesslethalfordummies

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I have a video in there somewhere.

[@airgunsanonymouslesslethal1904]

it looked and sounded like the 4sixes hit the trap hardest.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I can say if you watch closely the trap reacts differently for each projectile and that may be deceiving if multiple shots are required or where you choose shot placement. Actually the most felt recoil was from the Julv2 video in this video.

[@k.nightravenm298]

Ya might want to put in some links to make it easier for subscribers to attain what you advertise or review. Just a thought.

[@lesslethalfordummies]

If it is a lesser known product i do include links in the video description. Stuff like projectiles are easy to find with google. Problem i have encountered is the links changing or going dead and then i end up helping everyone individually which is time consuming.

[@michaelstewart9366]

It would be awesome if you can use this on one of those golf simulator screens. Just to see what happens with measurements would be. Probably just put a hole in it. Lol

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Fooooore! ⛳️ 🤣

[@rustystyle]

Hmm, I would say that the simplest way to measure energy on impact would be to utilise a Caldwell style Chronograph set out at 6-15 m, and just fire your rounds through the wide massive inverted triangle 'reading area'. That's the great thing about these types of Chronographs, you can measure how much kinetic energy is retained at different ranges :) Off topic, but can I ask what ammo you were using specifically in your 88g TMC testing video? Where you got 25J from 88g?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Damn….you know sometimes the simplest answers are staring us right in the face. Early on i destroyed my Caldwell accidentally of course 🙄. Best numbers in the Tmc were using 3.7g Riot Balls.

[@rustystyle]

@@lesslethalfordummies Ah dude, sorry to hear that. Yep that's the downside with them 🙈 And they're not exactly super cheap. A solution around that might be to put a protective window with an opening that corresponds with the 'reading area' , or well slightly smaller that it, so it protects the device from strays 🤔 But elaborate set up mind you, making your chronny less lethal proof 🤣 And thanks, I presume that's the actual brand name for them too yes? 'Riot balls'?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@rustystyle yes an unfortunate accident in my earlier years. A protective barrier is a great idea. Yes Riot Balls USA was the brand of the 3.7g nylon balls.

[@rustystyle]

@@lesslethalfordummies Guess if you ever got a new one it might be a worthwhile investment to do that. You're going to get a few flyers with smoothbore/round ball shooting at range I presume anyway. That said I recently got a TMC after watching your videos after it, and it's getting pretty darn good groups at 10m. I'm just trying to settle on a good brand ammo to get the most out of it, so thanks for the recommendation 👌🙌

[@lesslethalfordummies]

The Tmc is a very good marker. Not as powerful as some but it has shot flawlessly for me. I have some additional items coming to try and boost the power a little more. Mail is slow these days.

[@The_Viking_Highlander]

If I didn't know it was morning when you filmed this video, I'd say you look drunk lol. Quick question. If I wanted to try 88g CO2 cannisters, would I need an 88g CO2 adapter if I already had an MCS HPA adapater and a Gog on/off ASA?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Nope note drunk 😆 Thats 7am hair 🧟‍♀️ 88g wont fit the Gog without an adapter. I wouldnt recommend using the Gog for co2 because it was designed for hpa. Mcs does sell a specific 88g adapter that doesn’t require an adapter so depends on which one you have. Either of the Mcs on/offs are better suited for co2 use.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Maaaag duuuump 💥💥💪🏼💯

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Damn skippy!

[@JMAudioEditions]

it all depends on how fr3esh the co2 cart is I think

[@lesslethalfordummies]

You know i am certain there is no expiration date for co2 but one must think eventually something changes chemically???

[@peterpulis3460]

Is the LE a newer improved version of tye SD.?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

More or less. It is supposed to be slightly higher power than an SD.

[@Joreel]

What do you think of Aluminum rounds? Do you think they are a good balance between weight and stopping power?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Alas aluminum balls are something i see many testing and showing good results. I need to get some of those. I do think they provide a happy medium. Lightweight, metallic and smooth. I have found smooth balls always feed well in any launcher and show a tendency to penetrate targets easier if thats your intention.

[@marcthefastz1000]

hey Shaun, would you take the byrna le over a full build hdr50 ?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

If i am drawing from a seated position no. LE all day. The Hdr is capable of putting someone down but it comes with some caveats. The LE is my escape tool.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Morning bro

[@lesslethalfordummies]

🌙 now.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

@lesslethalfordummies same here man

[@lesslethalfordummies]

California dreams 😴? No wait you are East coast?

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

@@lesslethalfordummies eastcoast baby yezirrr💪🏼💯

[@edgefinesse4700]

Whst about duke glass breakers compared to byrna kinetics

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I would love to try these but some of these projectiles labelled as self defence do not cross the border well. Its a bummer.

[@edgefinesse4700]

@@lesslethalfordummies oh damn you can't get the glass breakers...eh 🫠

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I haven’t actually tried to order any Duke projectiles but some of my previous encounters with retailers in the USA have been met with resistance shipping across the border. If they are marked as glass breakers I dont see a problem.

[@TascamTascam]

Use JUL v2 or 3

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I can try it next but historically it was about 3 joules less than the lighter Byrna kinetics.

[@TascamTascam]

But when the subject is hit, more damage@@lesslethalfordummies

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@TascamTascami got some ballistic gel i am going to try a few of these different weights on.

[@TascamTascam]

Bryna is garbage. Gavle and even tcp or trap much superior

[@lesslethalfordummies]

Says some until they are sitting in their car and need to twist to pierce. Gavale will change the game when they update the piercing mechanism…then i am sold. Yes i have been there done that.

[@TascamTascam]

I kind of agree. My TCP is the same thing with the twist knob. The twist for the CO2 is probably more reliable than some other methods. My Pepperball Mobile flashlight has the self piercing mechanism @@lesslethalfordummies

[@lesslethalfordummies]

@@TascamTascamtotally twist to pierce is more reliable. I grew up twisting bb pistols so it is tried and true albeit a little slower than these new methods. Seconds can count in self defence.

[@turdboman]

have you tested a 9.9 gr first ball followed by Byrna kinetics, because of the reduced fps of a 2nd 9.9gr?

[@lesslethalfordummies]

I normally dont alternate projectiles. Just personal preference.