LMNT Scandal! What You Need to Know.

[@yaiburanakul8505]

All ingredients should be disclosed in every food and supplement product. Period.

[@OTatime]

@@yaiburanakul8505 Consumers who eat candies including Junior Mints, Skittles, Hot Tamales and other shiny candies are in for a shock. They all contain insect secretions. Careful what you wish for. Salami and sausages are often sprayed with viruses to kill bacteria, many vanilla and raspberry desserts contain castoreum (from the anal sacs of beavers), propylene glycol is in many ice creams (to make them easy to scoop), carrageenan in nut milks, puddings, whipped cream is from seaweed, powdered cellulose is in all shredded cheeses, coffee creamers and Lean Cuisine, titanium dioxides in Little Debbie snacks and Tostito’s pizza rolls…I’ve worked for major food companies and restaurants. It’s why I don’t eat ultraprocessed foods.

[@BeefNEggs057]

Vote for Trump and Kennedy will make that happen.

[@LinkEX]

@@BeefNEggs057 Wasn't that specifically about disclosing GMOs?

[@BeefNEggs057]

@@LinkEX He wants it more like Europe where shit like maltodextrin and HF corn syrup isn’t allowed by law.

[@BeefNEggs057]

@ The difference between the two candidates is Karen will benefit the food and drug companies. Trump with Kennedy in charge of FDA will rein in the evil of food and drug companies which seem to be owned by the same corrupt left cult mafia.

[@careyp7002]

This product was heavily marketed to the keto community which also happens to include many diabetics and others with chronic metabolic diseases. That is a major breach of trust.

[@CarlosMdz72]

I agree.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I agree it was a breach of trust

[@jordanxfile]

Absolutely.

[@drlorishemek]

Agree completely!

[@DGE123]

they should organize into a group an sue them

[@SouthernKristi]

As a T1D, any amount of maltodextrin causes a blood sugar spike. I'm very disappointed that "natural flavors" = MALTODEXTRIN...... food labels need to be more transparent.

[@zacsborntorunrunningadvent3441]

@@SouthernKristi 0.2grams is literally basically nothing. A moderate to large Protein meal 2x day + exercise will spike it much more. Have u tried a cgm with 1 pkt? Cheers

[@vanillaghetto]

@@zacsborntorunrunningadvent3441 Arithmetic isn't your thing. Nor is integrity.

[@SouthernKristi]

I haven't tested this product yet basis I drink Saltt by @ketochow & I know it doesn't cause my blood sugar to spike. I'm not demonizing the brand either, i just feel like every ingredient should be listed. Don't clump "crap" together under "natural flavors". Hope you have a spectacular day & thanks for the info❤​@zacsborntorunrunningadvent3441

[@markallisonparamotor]

Wow I didn't know that 0.4g of maltodextrin would cause a blood sugar spike. That's crazy.

[@sonsupersaiyan]

@@markallisonparamotor It's around 0.387 carbs lmao. Certainly doesn't affect the blood glucose that much. For context my personal insulin to carb ratio is 1 unit: 10 grams (thus requiring .04 units) and close to 1 unit: 50 mg/dL blood glucose (which totals a 1.9 mg/dL increase in my personal case). I definitely agree that labels should be more transparent though, as its especially difficult for new diabetics and older people to spot these things. Hidden carbs can add up pretty quickly.

[@prccap]

It was a big deal to me, because I kept telling people that I needed to take insulin for LMNT (I’m type 1). People (influencers) just kept saying that I was lying. Glad to understand why this was happening to me

[@madelinedelvalle3666]

@prccap That means it would also take you out of a fasting state and ketosis. Terrible.

[@AnitaSolution]

@@prccap I think this is why ppl like steak n butter gal will only recommend the unflavored LMNT

[@careyp7002]

@@prccap someone was lying but it wasn’t you.

[@BeefNEggs057]

Amazing how much people pay for salt and then complain about how much meat costs 😂. People are ridiculous

[@luchiayoung]

Read what I posted above because I know you were bullied like many others by the so-called professionals.

[@adim00lah]

Bodyarmor zero sugar also has "natural flavors." So I contacted them to ask if it contained maltodextrin, and they completely ignored my question, and just said it doesn't contain gluten, which has NOTHING to do with what I asked. It's the shadiness that is the problem, not just that it contains maltodextrin.

[@AnneMB955]

Me too, I also emailed the company about the rumour of maltodextrin and I was ignored. I want to know what I’m ingesting.

[@adim00lah]

@@AnneMB955 Wow, so they did you even worse than me, atleast I got a response back, even though it was a deflection. I swear Anne, these companies are shady af, it's really disgusting! We all need to band together and start boycotting these companies.

[@judithdesrosiers-qm9wt]

What about Butter" spliced with veg oil,so many people assume it's just butter,I'm allergic to it causes awful problems,call it margarine,pls

[@esecallum]

ask again. and keep asking. threaten to lab analyze and publish the results

[@livingcleanketo]

@@esecallum I’d like to get answer from ketochow too.

[@kd8qmw]

“I’m sorry you feel betrayed …” is not an apology. “I’m sorry we betrayed your trust…” is how you apologize.

[@DangerZone-w6y]

I'm not going trust them.. or anyone that makes up any lame excuse for them.. THEY KNEW THERE WAS MORE THAN "JUST 4 GRAMS" IN IT.. ! They charged a lot of money for their product.. and lied about what "wasnt in it"... I think/suspect a class action law suit is forthcoming.. and rightly so.

[@OTatime]

@@kd8qmw Indeed. Nick is reading a response that was crafted by PR agents and their LMNT’s legal counsel. Nick thinks it was written by Rob, LMNT’s co-founder. Such statements carefully walk the line by acknowledging the responses to what occurred while avoiding any admission of intent or responsibility by the company. Nick’s lack of corporate experience and his video suggests a degree of naïveté about crisis communication by corporations.

[@paulwooton4390]

​@@OTatime yes. An apology for lying probably carries some liability.

[@keywestfan2503]

Exactly. This is not an apology because it shifts the issue to the consumer.

[@bitsyketo5726]

I caught that too. I refer to such apologies as "the no apology apology".

[@boskomule]

the problem is with the law/government allowing this 'natural flavoring' loophole in the first place

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I agree... there are issues with labeling.

[@X-157.98]

Loophole successfully lobbied for back when virtually nobody was on keto + needs slamming shut right now.

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

No it is not. The government is THE LAST resort for consumer control, because government control BARELY WORKS and usually is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. The only real way to control production is consumer feedback. It works ALWAYS and is FREE.

[@quietanonymous]

the government and big pharma are in bed together. they make the food make you sick to sell you drugs.

[@junkerdude2927]

@@boskomule the cure is to stop buying when a breach of trust happens. Blaming government changes nothing because the government doesn’t change.

[@marksexton1340]

I agree with you completely....but may I point out some reasoning, for the backlash.... I have cancer, sugar feeds cancer, carbs destroy metabolic health, I absolutely want to know what's in the product... My life, depends on it.

[@MsFriedTwinky]

I have POTS and even my doctor recommended LMNT because of the high salt and low sugar for hydration. I had reactions to specific flavors and it’s all clicking now…

[@marksexton1340]

@MsFriedTwinky Sorry to hear you have POTS. My daughter has POTS, I've heard some folks say, that a carnivore diet has helped their POTS... but I can't get my daughter to try it, I am curious what your experience has been...?

[@jaycarver4886]

I won't buy things with "natural flavors" because they're not necessarily natural and you have no idea what they are. Very tricky.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Ya... I wish labeling was more transparent.

[@Cowdog1]

​@nicknorwitzPhD Well, the law may allow people to lie on labels, but the law doesn't require them to lie. That's on them. They deceive for a reason otherwise they wouldn't deceive. It's not an accident.

[@missiris1234]

I agree!

[@SamTheCarnivore]

Exactly!

[@Maintain_Decorum]

Yep-I’ve stopped buying items with Natural Flavors…..😢

[@lisaskatesIRL]

The "poor company" that charges $25 bucks for 10 packs of flavored salt? 🤣🤦‍♀️

[@Veteran_Nerd]

Holy moly you got ripped off. I've purchased directly from their website a few times and bought 20 packs for $20. Good luck

[@Radoslav-gk7wu]

​@@Veteran_Nerd even then, i can get 1kg of salt here for under 1€!

[@RachelRichards]

Who called it a "poor company"?

[@TheMornox]

@@Veteran_Nerd you got ripped off. I buy SELTIN (Norway) at 4.7 USD per kg. That is equivalent to 166 sticks for 4.7 USD. As for the US market, one can always get the plain powders of potassium and magnesium for 8-15 USD per ounce roughly and mix them with table salt.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Welcome to Capitalism

[@Aloha-sailor]

I consider "element" to be a processed/adulterated food, which I don't eat. Let me be clear, I eat fresh food, in season, which I grow, or my neighbors raise. These convenience "foods," created by corporations to take your money, are not food.

[@seesharp81321]

So how/what do you eat? Cutting is processing. Cooking is processing

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Fair enough

[@KetoMama777]

If it comes from a box toss it out

[@buckturgidson1448]

@@seesharp81321 Don’t be intentionally obtuse; you know exactly what she means.

[@buddha8204]

@@buckturgidson1448 People that like to pretend that a steak that is a "cut" of beef, that has been cooked is the same as a Hot Pocket, because they're both "processed" break parts of my brain, and my faith in humanity.

[@randolphh8005]

I’m a physician, this story is important as a lesson in capitalism and honesty. Making excuses is just making excuses. For those involved in medicine you will every day have to deal with honesty vs making money and dishonesty. I don’t need to worry about the grams of carbs in an Oreo, but if something has a sugar in it in small quantities that is promised as not, then that is a major issue. We as doctors decide every day how much and what to disclose to patients. We hopefully make that decision differently for each patient depending on the situation and the relevance for that person. If a label on a medicine, or a product doesn’t have the basic information, yet it is known by the manufacturer, we consider that extremely problematic and dishonest. It is not the manufacturer that should decide relevance, and making excuses for the company is not a good look!

[@draxofthenorth4649]

The big issue is how natural flavour companies are allowed to hide these ingredients from consumers. I don’t want maltodextrin in my body so I am out.

[@wadereynoldsgm]

Exactly 💯! If you see the natural flavors entry on a nutrituon label, do not buy or consume that product. I pay close attention to this because I am hypersensitive to any and all sugars.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I think there are systematic issues with labeling... I agree... hard to know what you're putting in your body.

[@lowcarbbully]

Honestly I don’t use electrolytes anymore, but when I did I didn’t trust any companies that had a great tasting electrolyte mix as I was skeptical that there was not something hidden in the product. I only bought the raw version. I believe this doesn’t have any maltodextrin (per the Rob Wolf letter). Those mentioning suing, I believe is ridiculous. If you used the product and had negative health outcomes, I would imagine you would stop using it. Unless you had dramatic health problems that you never suspected to be from these electrolytes🤔. Our society has become so litigious that that becomes our go to. The impact for most was negligible. The issue is the honesty, like Nick said. If this situation breached your trust, then don’t buy the product anymore. But if the apology was something you determined to be heart felt, and the product is still cleaner for you than other electrolyte products then you may want to continue to support this company. No doubt that it was a breach of trust.

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

It is "allowed", because people DO NOT CARE. When consumer start showing that they care, businesses adapt because they want to continue selling their goods. Simple.

[@Blitz4688]

I am not worried about the amount of Maltodextrin but I am concerned about the lying and labeling. They proudly display the Magnesium and Potassium that are in much smaller quantities and then turn around and hide the Maltodextrin.

[@missmarielyne6697]

You should be... maltodextrin is poison sugar...

[@jerseyjim9092]

Bottom line, consumer has a right to know. Whenever I see Maltodextrin on a label, I walk away.

[@AnneMB955]

Yes, would never have tried it in the first place. I’m meant to be zero carb.

[@MrWiseinheart]

Yes I👍

[@ska042]

@@AnneMB955 I agree that it should be on the label in the spirit of transparency. However it is physiologically totally irrelevant. It is so little that it's probably not even of consequence for diabetics, who would be the most severely affected group. To get a significant amount of blood sugar rise out of this, you would have to consume enough of the stuff to get a dangerous amount of electrolytes. So I'd understand saying they're not transparent so I don't want their stuff, but physiologically, there's no point.

[@VehicleVibes_]

​@@ska042 how wrong this is. Who are you to say it doesn't affect people? It says up to 550 mg in 1 packet and many carnivores and athletes consume many a day. I've easily had 4+ and after a few days my headaches and stomach aches that had been gone for 6 months of carnivore returned. Stopped LMNT after this controversy and they're totally gone again.

[@josie4peace]

I steer clear, too. My well-known supplement company started using maltodextrin...I walked away with many others. Stupid choice on their part.

[@firstchoicefarm7767]

There is more maltodextrin than potassium. It's CLEARLY a violation of proper ingredients listing. Natural ingredients would be required to be listed higher on the ingredients list.

[@yaiburanakul8505]

Disappointing!

[@ska042]

The actual ingredient is Potassium chloride, not potassium metal. Potassium chloride contains about 52.4% potassium, so it probably works out to a bit more by weight than the flavouring which includes the maltodextrin, so the ordering is likely correct.

[@ska042]

To elaborate more, here's a total of the likely amounts that are included, extrapolated from the nutrients label: 1. 2542mg Sodium chloride, containing 1000mg Sodium 2. somewhere between 390mg and 2542mg citric acid 3. 390mg Magnesium malate, containing 60mg magnesium 4. 382mg Potassium chloride, containing 200mg potassium 5. < 382mg flavouring 6. < 382mg stevia

[@bhdivotfiller]

Class action lawsuit

[@glenoraroku8666]

If you want to avoid unknown ingredients then do not consume processed foods that contain so called natural flavours.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

True enough...

[@lisalapoint7022]

Strict carnivores do need electrolytes and sometimes choose to purchase packets.

[@qui1766]

@@lisalapoint7022​​⁠you can buy salt, potassium chloride, magnesium, and calcium all separate to mix in with water, if someone wants to avoid the pre-mixed packaging with other ingredients

[@billierichter1379]

I don't eat any processed foods. Ever.

[@wcneathery3100]

Amen to that 😊

[@galaxytrio]

LMNT's sin was not that it included a relatively insignificant amount of maltodextrin. It was misleading its customers by promising "no dodgy ingredients" while it included a dodgy ingredient. Dumb and now the company is getting punished for it, and appropriately so. Although other food companies might actually include more dodgy ingredients, did they pretend to be virtuous?

[@JerryAdams-fc7yv]

I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.

[@JerryAdams-fc7yv]

Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!

[@SmallerRoberson]

Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?

[@SmallerRoberson]

I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

[@JerryAdams-fc7yv]

It's Ms. Evelyn Vera doing, she's changed my life.

[@JerryAdams-fc7yv]

I started pretty low, though, $5000 thereabouts. The return came massive. Joey is in school doing well, telling me of new friends he's meeting in school. Thank you Evelyn Vera, you're a miracle.

[@dman378]

Learning Robb Wolf was a co-founder made me trust the brand instantly, given how much I respected him through his podcasts and Paleo book. But knowing he was aware of this and went along feels like a serious breach of trust. It’s not even about the maltodextrin-it’s the principle. On the upside, it’s a good reason to stop spending money on it.

[@pmo873]

not going to trust any other products backed by him again

[@HEARTANDSOULOFMINE]

What disturbs me most is what else did LMNT lie about in their ingredient list? The way to avoid any of their falsehoods is to never buy their product again. 😮

[@InTheMiddleOfAForest]

The government curtains NEED to be pulled back. As RFK Jr. says...Make America HEALTHY again. Once & for all! Make the major food labels be accountable to we the people! Less is more! Kellogg's & PepsiCo to name a few....we are coming for you! Enough is enough!

[@thisismyyoutubeaccount3322]

RFK ain't gonna do shit once he gets in office companies will start bribing him like they do everyone else.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

I despise Republicans far more than I despise Democrats for many reasons. But as a radical left-liberal, I'm disappointed there isn't a Democratic equivalent of RFK Jr. advocating for public health in this way. Many on the left do advocate along these lines. It's just there not heard in the Democratic Party. The DNC elite, sadly, are too corporatist and are always ready to punch left.

[@MrGiggitygoo31]

"Natural Flavors" and "Fragrance" are huge loopholes in the food and cosmetic world.

[@alexandrawhite7614]

Yes, when you see the word "natural", RUN!

[@boskomule]

@@MrGiggitygoo31 ugh, don't get me started on how they shove these disgusting fragrances into everything now. toilet paper. shopping bags. bin bags! why does everything have to be perfumed? they don't even match, they're not coordinated. the average person is walking around bathed in 20 different perfumes that clash with each other. and that's not even touching on all the health problems they cause. how many people have 'asthma' who are actually just allergic to all these artificial fragrances they slather themselves in and fill their homes with (with the windows constantly closed to save le energy)? and they can't breathe, but the doc says "here just take these pumps bro XD XD"

[@MrWiseinheart]

I think people need to stand up and change that.. does Europe have the same loophole ? anybody know?

[@wcneathery3100]

Another example of how Big Food and Big Pharma can $buy off$ government agencies that are supposed to protect us.

[@Slimothy]

*The INGREDIENTS LIST should be the INGREDIENTS list. They knew the ingredient was in their product (if they didn't, that's an even bigger issue and would be nearly impossible) and they CHOSE not to disclose it on the ingredients list.* *I would never, ever consider their product. Even after an apology. I get my electrolytes from food, anyway. Shouldn't need to drink that.*

[@tkenben]

What bothers me is not that this particular thing has happened, but rather that this is kind of the tip of the iceberg; that this is actually a pretty standard thing across all kinds of products.

[@lisalapoint7022]

BINGO!

[@happyperson8740]

I’m fuming! Malodextrin causes my heartbeat to be felt in my chest. I’ve been getting that “heartbeat felt” in my chest whenever I took LMNT. I wrote in several Keto/Carnivore Influencers to stop taking LMNT as an advertiser…to no avail. Everything finally makes sense…….

[@delmabond9800]

Same here, I could actually see my chest raising up and down. Took me awhile to work out it was the LMNT. What ever is in their secret ingredients, I am allergic to. I had even bought the unflavoured one.!!

[@gsts379]

@@delmabond9800 The unflavored LMNT does not contain maltodextrin. Therefore some other ingredient is causing the sensation you described. Are you getting too much of one of the electrolytes?

[@aliciastanley5582]

As a diabetic that is very sensitive to sugar. This totally pisses me off. I’ll never trust them and anything that has natural flavors expecting this is to deceive me. Next I’m dropping Zevia supposedly sugar free pop ( carbonated soda). I called them and asked what was in their natural flavors. They refused to tell me stating it was their proprietary formula. I balked. Now I really distrust them and I am going to let them know this. For now I’m going to stop buying it. I think it should be illegal not to disclose all food ingredients no matter how small.

[@egg399.]

Look at the carnivore and get your blood sugar down to homeostasis levels. Your liver produces glucose so tbh we don’t need to add any carbohydrates to our diets. There are 0 essential carbohydrates per day. For people without metabolic disease then 0.4g is nothing. For those of us with metabolic diseases then 0.4 is 10% of typical homeostasis blood glucose levels.

[@libertybelllocks7476]

you diabetics are weird. Nick said it was negligible. YOu are just wanting to complain about nothing and be outraged because you are a loser.

[@Oakleylaurie]

Do you find either of them raise your blood sugar?

[@karenbuchert3377]

Hi zevia soda made me crave sweets!!! Big tip that something is amiss with them. I skip from now on.

[@MrStanfran]

There's an iodine test that reveals hidden sugars. I put a couple of drops in LMNT and it turns blueish immediately. I put drops of iodine in Zevia and it stayed iodine colored.

[@LivingRadiant]

This is exactly the reason I don’t buy flavoured products!! I hope that LMNT will take responsibility for their actions.

[@TheMornox]

I don't get why this is a viable business model, it's just overpriced minerals that one can get for a fraction of the price in bulk. In Norway, we get SELTIN mineral salt in every supermarket, barely any more expensive than regular tablesalt, while its formula (mineral ratios) is superior to LMNT (I did the math). Whether they have unwanted additives or not, they are still just selling overpriced minerals, hoping to make a profit until people realize that one can get better formulas for far less money. Their business is opportunistic in nature and will fade.

[@-astrangerontheinternet6687]

Because people aren’t buying electrolytes. They are buying from influencers who sell life style.

[@HubertGeorge]

What I'm buying is the right proportions without having to carefully calculate and prepare it myself.

[@TheMornox]

@@HubertGeorge I'd agree with that sentiment if the ratios were actually optimal, but LMNT saves on the slightly more expensive potassium and magnesium components, making the ratios "ok" but not optimal. Also, chatGPT can do the ratios for you - tested and verified that. That still leaves preparing it oneself, but mixing 3 powders with a scale is not too big of an ordeal I think. Especially given how much leeway there is with the ratios. One can always get a good result with doing 50% NaCl and distribute the rest and it would be fine (better than LMNT).

[@carolynbailey4530]

So I just found out you can order this online and they ship worldwide. Thank you! I’ll be buying a bunch of this.

[@HubertGeorge]

@TheMornox i tried making my own and tried many other brands and all of them give me weird symptoms like heart palpitations or swollen feet after a few uses. Lmnt is the only one i can use consistently with 0 side effects. So for me it's a perfect ratio.

[@PaKettleGOAT]

No. It IS so much about the maltodextrin! Was gaining weight on carnivore, stopped using LMNT and lost 2 lbs in the first week.

[@PudgyCurmudgeon]

In other words - expect to be deceived, it's normal - especially when money is involved. It's not personal, it's just business! I personally will not intentionally consume anything with maltodextrin in it.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Fair enough... your body your choice

[@PudgyCurmudgeon]

@@nicknorwitzPhD I make my own based on their posted formula. If there is anything in it that I don't want I have nobody to blame but myself. 😁

[@PamforRealFood]

💯 this, Nick. People who care deeply about health have been betrayed again and again by brands. Given Robb's long journey in Paleo and keto, I think he would understand what "no dodgy ingredients" means. Expecting people to find that in the bowels of his blog is ridiculous. He also missed on the basics of crisis communication, which you described beautifully. As someone who is anaphylactic to corn , I avoid all corn derived substances. Yes, that is probably unnecessary , but I think it should be my choice. Since I know packaged foods don't often describe their dodgy ingredients, many of which come from corn, I eat very few packaged food, only brands I trust. That trust has been damaged.

[@zquest22]

My daughter-in-law is allergic to corn and has discovered it’s in almost everything! So sad.

[@Runnin2Live]

I saw a lot of complaints saying that they used it to fast and it was ruining there fast without them knowing. The fact that there was already 1-2 grams of carbs on the packaging “depending on flavor” should have had them turning somewhere else for electrolytes anyway.

[@SimplyHuman186]

Sure but The main issue is ingredient is not listed. Transparency is the issue. Not the amount.

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

Yes it screwed with a lot of people’s health actually!

[@libertybelllocks7476]

@@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions no it didnt. Nick said it was a negligible amount. You losers are hyped by the placebo effect right now. Outraged for no reason.

[@Ardentic-mm]

Dude, gng makes some anyway

[@soma7940]

I find it too sweet anyway. I always wondered why that had to make it that overly sweet in the first place.

[@Ssss-3z]

It is also important to know which food source the maltodextrin comes from. It can be from gluten, corn, tapioca, etc. Some people are highly allergic to even small amounts of anything derived from corn or gluten. It should not be hidden in “Natural Flavors, etc.”. The source should also be specifically named in the ingredients.

[@jennwatson74]

I honestly had no idea that anything was going on with LMNT. That being said, I’ve been having a severe reaction to the product. I started using it in the beginning of May and all seemed fine. I did a full elimination of all foods except eggs, beef, chicken and seafood for 30 days. Keto began after the 30 days and I was feeling great. I slowly added one food at a time (all keto) and I started to develop awful sores in my mouth. It got to the point where I could barely breathe, my throat was closing and I honestly thought I was going to die. Once again I started to strip away all foods I had slowly incorporated but the problem persisted. As someone with celiac disease I avoid many foods anyway but this was entirely different from anything I had experienced before. After a few days of not using LMNT I decided to give it another try. Immediately my mouth started itching and then the sores came, I couldn’t breathe and it felt like a giant splinter was in my throat. I called the company, explained my situation and asked if they could send me an exhaustive list of their ingredients so I could figure out what was going on. They told me that they couldn’t do that because they have “secret ingredients” and don’t want anyone copying their recipe. That was a bit disappointing because I’ve spent hundreds of dollars on their products. They did however offer to send me 4 boxes of the plain packets and that was that. Now I’m left still not knowing what my issue was. The woman on the phone suggested that I could be allergic to stevia. I’d also like to add that they assured me that the only thing in their natural ingredients list was fruit, roots and spices. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@MrWiseinheart]

Our bodys are amazing, let you know something was wrong intill you found the problem.. ✌️

[@zquest22]

I just read today about someone who is allergic to maltodextrin!

[@christinelamb1167]

It could be the maltodextrin causing your symptoms, but it might be the citric acid. I finally figured out what was causing my gums to burn, swell up and turn red. It's citric acid! I've tried multiple brands of electrolytes, hoping to find one that didn't cause a reaction. I figured out it was always the flavored ones. I then tried plain electrolytes without flavoring, and I got no reaction, yay! Looking at the ingredients, I realized plain versions don't contain citric acid. I went back and tried flavored versions, and immediately my gums started hurting! I stay away from citric acid now in anything.

[@MrWiseinheart]

@christinelamb1167 so this was news to me not all citric acid is the same and most of it is made from corn or even worse GMO corn 😳 and it goes thru a mold process, look it up it's crazy. If it was legit real citric acid made from lemon or other acidic things it would be a different story.

[@maidenminnesota1]

First of all, it's not "L.M.N.T." It's "LMNT = Element". I don't think the reaction is over the top enough. What brought all this to light was when a person, who was aware of a maltodextrin allergy, had a severe allergic reaction to the maltodextrin in LMNT, but didn't know where it came from because it wasn't listed on the packaging. That person could have been spared a potentially dangerous medical emergency if the company hadn't been hiding the ingredient from consumers. They're just lucky that the worst case scenario didn't happen to their victim, and yes, that person was a victim. Every ingredient, no matter how small the quantity, needs to be listed on ingredient lists PERIOD!

[@LoriWatson11]

I used LMNT(element) for over two years. Loved the flavored packs but also started to notice I had achey joints and felt puffy. Could have been too much sodium, Maltodextrin or stevia? Idk? Stopped the electrolytes…the aches, pains and “swelling” went away. My advice is to just use the unflavored packets. That’s what I will keep on hand when I feel like I need a boost!

[@rclose23]

Are we sure that the unflavored has no dodgy ingredients? I have an unflavored box left and 3 chocolate boxes left. Before I knew about this controversy, I haven't used lmnt for 9 days and don't feel puffy anymore. Im glad I know now.

[@thisismyyoutubeaccount3322]

Just eat a well balanced diet and there's no need for supplements...

[@gsts379]

Sounds like you were getting too much sodium which can cause water retention. Getting the right balance of electrolytes can be tricky.

[@glenbelbeck4129]

I will never trust any product that has "natural flavors" now. Heading towards carnivore these days (one ingredient foods).

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Do as you will...

[@TOMGARVEYtheKETOCOOK]

This is the problem I always speak about all the time! Are foods are supposed to be trustworthy, but in reality, are not! Eat a clean food diet!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

If you make your own, you can generally trust that... beyond that... skepticism seems sensible

[@TOMGARVEYtheKETOCOOK]

@@nicknorwitzPhD Absolutely!

[@BSenning]

My subscription is cancelled with LMNT. Where are the honest companies ?

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I understand how you feel. It's hard to build trust and then have it taken away.

[@MrWiseinheart]

Look at KZbin videos and make your own so much cheaper and more high quality you can make bulk to last you a long time.

[@BSenning]

@@MrWiseinheart thank you ! I will do that 🙌❤️

[@goodyearguy2382]

Their is none

[@lisalapoint7022]

Just cancelled

[@gwendegroff]

As someone with a cornstarch/corn maltodextrin sensitivity, this is a huge deal.

[@thomashughes4859]

0:31 - If the amount is miniscule, then zero would be the appropriate amount to add, wouldn't it?

[@thomashughes4859]

Of course, we should be about forgiveness. Grab your stone should you disagree. I don't and have never supplemented, so I don't have a rooster in this fight. You were right that it was about crystal clear transparency. Be well! ❤

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

It's not in there for flavor, but rather to generate the powder/consistency

[@DDeden]

​@@nicknorwitzPhD 'flavor carrier' It's all about the flavor.

[@cassieoz1702]

There are folks that chug litres of this crap per day

[@healthcowboy1255]

Deceit is deceit. Boycott all deception/deceit is my opinion. Full transparency or get out of my life and health.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

You're right to choose

[@alexandrawhite7614]

Yes, agreed, but how to know which are transparent and which deceitful? Maybe the most deceitful are the best at appearing transparent.

[@healthcowboy1255]

@@alexandrawhite7614 I think the more and more these things come to light the more companies will be forced into transparency. Heck we even have people out there analyzing stuff now days like Mass Spec Everything. We can only hope deception will be exposed. The other option is if something says 'natural flavors' or some other vague description just don't buy it/use it.

[@T.K.111]

Trust and honesty..interesting. Didn't seem to matter regarding the current election

[@MusicHoldsTheSecret33]

"If I catch you in a Lie, I will never believe another word you say" - Judge Judy I never bought this garbage, I never will.

[@Zaaxun]

When it comes to a health issue, with all the diseases people have, no company that makes food or flavoring should be able to hide ingredients by proprietary labels. Every ingredient should have to be declared.

[@Alice-xw7qu]

All processed foods or health products that are meant to be consumed in any form, should have a complete label of ALL ingredients. This is for the person who may have a severe allergy reaction to a certain ingredient, those who are insulin resistant, as well as pre diabetic, diabetic or any other condition that could be affected by consuming even the smallest amount of an ingredient. People who need to lose weight are usually insulin resistant to any kind and form of sugars; this also applies to those who are pre diabetic or have diabetes. Consuming any kind of sugar in any form will make it much harder and all but impossible to lose the weight to get healthy. Maltodextrin in LMNT is a sugar; it become glucose once it's in the body. So is Allulose, etc. If it originated as a carbohydrate or is manmade, your body will naturally turn it into a sugar.

[@wisdomandy9361]

The problem with this is that it's really hard to find companies that offer niche "health" products as it is that you're forced to not trust any popular product because you probably arent being tood whats actually in the product. Trust with companies is a big issue, especially in our niche community.

[@luchiayoung]

The people that were and are pushing this are just as guilty because I knew, and I was trying to get the word out at the beginning of most pushing this, and I was bullied. You can test for sugar in a drink with a glucose test stick. You can concentrate the drink and test it. Also, copied from web Another way to test for glucose in food is to use Benedict's solution, which is blue in color. If simple carbohydrates, like glucose, are present, the solution will change color. A low amount of simple carbohydrates will cause the solution to turn green or yellow, while a high amount will cause it to turn red. Did any of the professionals or people that were pushing this product with all the people that were complaining and bullied, did any of the professionals test this? They sure were pushing it.

[@lisacee3237]

LMNT can start being honest/transparent by removing ads that say “no sketchy ingredients” - this is misleading & dishonest. I see these ads often on Facebook & every time I see it, they remind me of this controversy.

[@RC-qf3mp]

I quit lmnt months ago and switched to just sea salt and potassium and magnesium supplements. It makes a difference not having anything sweet. That tiny bit of sweetness is like a “hit” of a drug, best to eliminate it.

[@TheDylan6908]

@RC- Dr. Ken Berry has talked about people's blood glucose going up with non sugar sweeteners just because the body responds to the sweetness and thinks it's a form of sugar even if it isn't.

[@ronburgandy7571]

And I’m sure saving a shitload of money that way. Smart.

[@robyn3349]

I believe some thing I ate for years brought me to leaky gut and autoimmune diseases. I am trying to avoid sugars and grains. It’s legal to label this way under “natural flavors “. I hope we get better, more transparent, and accurate labeling laws. MAHA,🇺🇸

[@NewEarthBlog]

Right! Would the great lawyer, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., go for the coverup by Robb Wolf? No.

[@craigslitzer4857]

I never bought any simply because I couldn't justify the cost in my mind. What I did instead was copied the ingredients and ratios. I bought those ingredients off of Amazon, and mixed them up myself. There are no fancy flavors, only a heavy salt taste. It cuts both ways.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Haha... smart

[@nitfitnit]

Can you share exactly what products you bought? I tried buying bulk ingredients on Amazon but found they didn't dissolve well in water. I'm also worried about possible contamination/impurities.

[@craigslitzer4857]

@@nitfitnit Well, I thought I posted a response already, but I guess the auto-filters scrubbed it. Magnesium Malate from Bulk Supplements, and Potassium Chloride from Alpha Chemicals

[@lissetsaenz1066]

I've been facing issues with insulin resistance and had been struggling to get healthy despite all the "right" efforts. When I learned this about LMNT, I cut back on my usage and suddenly weight actually started coming off and my glucose numbers balanced out. It could be coincidence, but it absolutely could have plated a role. I've been so frustrated feeling lied to. I've loved their products and have RAVED about them to everyone and anyone that would listen, only to learn about this. So disappointed. This was a staple in my training and just feel it can no longer be.

[@whatta1501]

I've bought LMNT before, but the fact that the price is outrageous and the fact that they use "natural flavors" plus this new revelation of ingredients counts me out. I'd rather make my own. If it's not a problem for you then go for it if it is then don't use it anymore. Simple as that, but i'm glad this came out. We are tired of all the poison in our foods.

[@JustJasonKeto]

Robb and the team need to start directly communicating with the community instead of leaving it up to their sponsored influencers!

[@FEVERDREAM889]

They are going to cost their influencers a lot of money. I'm shocked to see them bowing down to them for a little bit of money. I already unsubscribed to everyone sticking up for them....and a few I actually joined their channels ($). I'll take that money to support people with morals.

[@JustJasonKeto]

@@FEVERDREAM889 Same here, I'm just as disappointed in the "influencers" that are saying it's nothing.

[@livingcleanketo]

So your saying I’ve been eating 1 gram of maltodextrin everyday. Wow that’s almost 2 1/2 cups a year of something I have tried very hard for medical reasons to keep out of my body. Thank you 🙏

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Welcome

[@KetoMama777]

And most people drink 2 or 3 a day

[@jimgreco7041]

​@@KetoMama777Why would most people need 2 to 3 electrolyte packages... a day. Unless your running a marithan+ distance or sweating an equal amount in the heat every other day thats a crazy amount of electrolyte supplementation. We're not talking Crystel Light here.

[@mememeememe]

@@jimgreco7041 I work a physical job full of manual labor, and I take 3 servings a day of electrolytes or I get muscle cramps.

[@alexandrawhite7614]

@@jimgreco7041 Why? Because they see it advertised on television (or maybe on KZbin) and are unable to distinguish between content ie news/fiction and publicity/manipulation. I have apparently intelligent friends who buy stuff because the television / adverts spoke well of it.

[@debbiegitlin8035]

I agree with your take on this, Nick! The amount of maltodextrin is probably pretty inconsequential for the majority of consumers...but there may be some who ARE unknowingly putting something in their bodies that they would not, knowing the facts. In reality, though, the deception DOES impact my decision to continue using LMNT. I have been using 2 flavored packets most days for 5 years, and the electrolytes DO make a difference in how I feel on my extremely low carb (98% carnivore) journey through life. But I am seriously going to have to decide whether I will continue supporting the company, now knowing that they deliberately hid the use of maltodextrin because they knew that many people would not use the product had they known the truth... Thanks for continuing to be REAL... L♥️VE your content!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Thanks Debbie. Totally understand where you're coming from. Appreciate the kind words too.

[@KetoMama777]

Exactly just a little poop in your brownies not disclosed is wrong

[@josie4peace]

Good points :) I make my own. Found a few videos on YT with directions. It's much cheaper...

[@keinohrtini]

@@josie4peaceI had an LNNT subscription for 3 years on Amazon - not any more!! Thank you for reminding me, that there are a lot of great videos out there to make my own! #cancelLMNT

[@josie4peace]

@@keinohrtini :o) Yes, and it's much cheaper. After you get the hang of it, it takes seconds to make an electrolyte drink. 🩵

[@deanna5221]

Many people buy those product because they’re fasting and because they’re sensitive to insulin, this product could potentially trigger an insulin response, which could potentially kick them out of a fast. So to me, it is a big deal.

[@bettykramos1802]

Just drink water with some lemon and save your money

[@K-top13]

I use keto 1000 unflavored but add it to lemon or lime water.

[@HeatherRose_]

You also need salt, magnesium and potassium when doing keto or carnivore.

[@laurengianna9944]

And some salt with the lemon water.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Not too many electrolytes in that... I like getting my salt from real salt or anchovies ;)

[@bettykramos1802]

@@nicknorwitzPhD yep…I had Redmonds salt to my glass every am…

[@coronabuster3611]

This is just business as usual in the US. I didn't use LMNT because I've found out similar things about similar "health" products in the past. I'd be great if we lived in a world you could trust but we don't!

[@janeknight3597]

So basically you cannot have flavouring without maltodextrin. That is interesting and good to know.

[@ArgosySpecOps]

They could use organic non-gmo inulin as the substrate they spray the flavoring on, but that wouldn't be as cost-effective/profitable.

[@dontfit6380]

You absolutely don’t need maltodextrin to have flavorings. It just worked to their advantage and is cheap. It’s also higher glycemic than sugar so they could have just used sugar. Malto is much cheaper so it’s about the bottom line.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Not exactly... but was required - as I understand it - in their formulation to create the powder.

[@stvcolwill]

funny statement. Apparently SaltT has figured it out (with acacia gum?)

[@wlpc1919]

@@dontfit6380LMNT is Private Equity owned so profits above all else is no surprise. Malto was never necessary it just made the most financial sense.

[@dogcrazy25]

Its about a breach of honesty and the sugar. Im a type 2 disbetic and sugar if all forms affect my blood sugar which affects my sleep. If i dont sleep well, i eat more the next day. I stopped taking this product years ago.

[@d.chamblee6924]

This is just the tip of the spear, IF a company like this "trusted" company is doing this under the guise of "natural flavors" we best be checking how many other items we use that has "natural flavors, ingredients" in them. We really need to pay attention and call them ALL out!

[@MightyMeatyHealth]

I took LMNT for several years while eating keto and didn’t notice any problems. But about 8 months after I switched to carnivore (and continued to use LMNT) I developed diarrhea which ultimately lasted a YEAR during which I tried multiple things to resolve the diarrhea. I finally quit using LMNT recently (after this scandal) and lo and behold my diarrhea has completely resolved!!!! It never occurred to me that the electrolytes could be to blame. I’m using Saltt electrolyte capsules now with no issues.

[@russhall4780]

If a company doesn't have to be honest about what exactly is in their product, what's the point of having an ingredients list or showing nutrient values? FRAUD!

[@justplanefred]

I think a company that claims to be super clean and healthy should be that especially when you charge a premium for a product. It’s hard to get trust back once it’s been broken… The thing about your cheese cake is there is no deception there. I know when my morbidly obese, pre-diabetic self puts that in my mouth what I’m doing. When I put something into my body to better myself and is marketed as clean and healthy it should be. The apology sounds sincere just make labels clear.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

Thanks for this video, Nick. My respect for you has gone up another notch. It really is the trust issue that has left so many of us with metabolic health derangements angry and frustrated. In my case, I gained about 10 kilos in a year consuming a lot of their products because they were all so tasty and had that "guilt-free" mentality. Like you, I do my own version of N=1 experiments as I've lost trust in what the "experts" say. Throughout that year, LMNT was the only excessive thing I was consuming daily. Nothing else. I had five strawberries in a year, and I'm pretty sure they can't be that fattening. DEXA is amazing and it can show a lot.

[@karilockremwellness8123]

When I see maltodextrin, I wonder about the source. Can’t it contain gluten or corn? If so, that should be on the ingredient list. We recommend LMNT to our patients daily in our clinic, we are concerned as many have food allergies and this could be a potential problem for them.

[@kenadams5504]

Ben Bickman says the same minerals (as lmnt) can be got from eating just one egg ,so the maltodextrin issue isn't really important ,imo.

[@arequina]

if you subscribe to LMNT, just contact their support and ask for a replacement. That's what I did and asked for a replacement for the flavored ones to unflavored ones. They did it for free.

[@DK-pr9ny]

It doesn’t help that Ken Berry, Thomas DeLauer, Lillie Kane and others promote it in every video.

[@staceyloveswill]

Ken berry does not promote it and never has. You are mistaken.

[@DK-pr9ny]

@ He mentions it, as does Neisha, in numerous videos.

[@staceyloveswill]

@@DK-pr9ny no he doesn't. You are mistaken. Neisha works directly with them but he NEVER promotes lmnt. He says people may need electrolytes sometimes but mostly he cautions against ANY electrolytes with sweetener.

[@pattressel3864]

The problem with LMNT isn't (only) the failure to disclose the maltodextrin content -- it is that it contains waaaay too much sodium, not nearly enough potassium, and no calcium at all. I do appreciate that they have an unsweetened version, because some of us get very sick from stevia (and no, don't tell me "it's the sugar alcohols" -- I have no trouble with those). I just bought a different brand of electrolyte mix, and failed to check for stevia. Tried to give it away to friends -- they rejected it too.

[@blewbal]

With a goal of zero dodgy crap in my diet any is too much, tired of being lied to.

[@louiselancaster4441]

I hope this scandal puts this company out of business. I am disgusted and have dumped my remaining LMNT. I would never knowingly purchase any product containing maltodextrin however small amount it may contain. For me they cannot come back from this. Im done with this brand.

[@markbeiser]

A product mainly pushed through social media influencer sponsorships did something shady? SHOCKING!🙄 The unflavored stuff doesn't have the dodgy ingredients, and the stuff with the dodgy ingredients has less sugar than the bacon many of us eating low carb eat. My issue with LMNT is that it cost dollars for what I can mix myself for pennies.

[@alexandrawhite7614]

Too right! About over-priced products, but also about bacon. People who should know better insist they are eating zero carbs when they are eating 10 egg omelettes (6g carbs) and bacon (you have to search far and wide to find bacon without added sugar, and when you do find it, it probably contains preservatives and colour). When I once found a "clean" pack of bacon, it cost a lot and didn't taste of much. (Probably, I now learn, precisely because of the absence of maltodextrin or sugar.) Never again.

[@paulc5389]

Bacon doesn't have sugar in it where I am. Who the hell is putting sugar on bacon.. Canadians?

[@markbeiser]

@@alexandrawhite7614 Yeah, bacon that is actually really not cured is kinda grey, cooks weird, not tasty, and spoils quickly. The "uncured" bacon many of us buy is actually cured, but since it is cured with naturalish nitrites like celery powder instead of manufactured ones, they are legally required to label it as "uncured." Even if you buy the "no sugar added" "uncured" bacon, there are still the "natural flavors!" I steer away from the bacons with a lot of sugar added, like honey bacon, etc., but I've decided the tiny amount of sugars used in the curing salts in 4 or 5 slices of bacon a couple of times a week is of no concern. The 4 eggs I have with my steak or bacon has more carbs.

[@alexandrawhite7614]

@@paulc5389 Where do you live? Maybe I'll move there. I promise you, most bacon in the UK contains sugar. Did you read the labels?

[@paulc5389]

@@alexandrawhite7614 the UK. I mostly shop at Asda or Aldi and I double checked to check my sanity after your comment and neither standard own brands contain sugar.

[@junkerdude2927]

My problem is, it’s a neural exciter, more commonly known as an excitotoxin. It’s a form of MSG. It crosses the brain barrier and it stimulates brain cells. This signals that it “tastes” better than other electrolytes. Thus buy ours over others. This loosely could be a “flavor carrier”. I call bull crap on this. My tongue tastes perfectly. This is extremely “dodgy” as the real purpose was to covertly secure a larger market share by using a form of MSG to excite the appropriate cells into thinking “this is way better stuff”, via influencing the human brain. I can’t believe people fall for that “flavor carrier” line. It was to get a larger share of the market. Not by what is to be believed to be the best ingredients in the human being’s needs. But by tricking the human brain into liking it more.

[@KollontaiBeads]

Thanks, I did not know the maltodextrin was an MSG-like compound. I have to avoid all MSG and like substances, and so have always avoided any “natural flavors “ as I’ve known for decades that this means MSG.

[@junkerdude2927]

@@KollontaiBeads I wish I had known. I don’t use LMNT anyway. I don’t feel good after taking it. NOW I KNOW WHY!!! No, thank you kollonaibeads

[@fanda_knobloch]

That's not true. It's not excitotoxic And it's not a form of MSG. Send some evidence supporting your claims

[@junkerdude2927]

I posted a comment and documentation that maltodextrin IS a neural exciter. Well, I got locked out and the post eliminated. So much for free speech. A simple search will verify for anyone what it is.

[@junkerdude2927]

Blocked out. I guess I can’t say neural exciter. Or post verifiable back up.

[@LisaNix2]

My friend is very allergic to maltodextrin and has to go to the ER if she accidentally has some. Shes very careful when a product says natural flavors. So this is very important for some people.

[@livingontheedge8680]

I never understood the need for the product. Salt, potassium and magnesium supplements are easily attainable and easy to ingest with food. Why buy a packaged product such as LMNT?

[@GerbenWulff]

To me no sugar means no sugar. So for me this is just a straight lie. Secondly I am not sure 400 mg is insignificant. Calorie wise it may not have a significant impact on your diet, but I do not know how the body responds to this. I know that some sweeteners already trigger a significant insulin response. Even if their calorie count is low. For people who even exclude spices from their diet, this is going to be a major issue. I don't use this stuff myself, just because it is easy enough to make something yourself. And most of it is salt (which normally is very cheap) and I prefer my salt with plenty of natural meat flavoring.

[@Nancysoulshine]

They got caught being deceptive, so they had no choice but to respond. I don't know, I have lost trust in the food industry.

[@salivadriven]

No sympathy for the backlash onto LMNT. If trust was so valuable to them they’d have had some integrity and not lied through their teeth. People need to make their decisions with transparency and truth. We’re so over being gaslighted and manipulated. Being diet conscious is HARD WORK.

[@Knowledge-b6o]

I WILL NEVER BUY THE PRODUCT AGAIN!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

[@AnitaSolution]

I’m in the middle of reversing type 2 and am appalled 😳

[@jkbrown5496]

When all you are selling is a few common chemicals marked up for image and status, you really don't want to get caught having a very liberal meaning of "No"

[@kaybullmn]

Now I know why every time I use LMNT, my BS rises, and I have to up my insulin. Why would you use Stevia and then add a high glycimic product based on corn? I think it's time to take heed to the coming changes in the food industry and the need to be clean. The damage has been done for LMNT. I hope they are quick to remedy this.

[@Straightdeal]

The question is: Why are dubious substances added to so-called healthy substances? People look for a good electrolyte substance, to be confronted with this. I will take salt, potassium and chloride to my system using natural methods. You got it wrong; it's the failure to disclose as you have admitted.

[@ChadCilli]

Dishonesty is dishonesty no matter how small the lie. Deceiving your customers for profit is never acceptable. Steal a dollar from a billion different people, and you still stole a billion dollars, just a little from a lot of people.

[@KperkIns54]

I started making my own sausage because almost all store bought product have sugar in some form. It pisses me off.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

It's true... smoked salmon too

[@alexandrawhite7614]

Having been disappointed in the bland taste of the only "clean" sausages I could find, and shocked by the price, I now fry home-made patties made of minced (US ground) pork. They taste better and cost about half as much.

[@LifeIsThePrayer]

I have too. Not filling casings but mixing up the spices with ground beef. I could use ground pork. Any sausage I could buy even if it didn’t have mystery ingredients it had some kind of starch. Totally not necessary.

[@alexandrawhite7614]

@@LifeIsThePrayer Totally agree. Can you recommend any particular spices? I sometimes add turmeric.

[@LifeIsThePrayer]

@@alexandrawhite7614 Oh there’s a bunch. It was a recipe I got off Pinterest. I mean it looks like a ton of spices that go in a pound of meat. It contains onion powder, oregano, parsley, rosemary, sage, cracked fennel seeds, paprika, salt and of course garlic if you like garlic. I just crack the fennel seeds in my coffee grinder. I want to try making some chorizo next.

[@trogers8331]

Tired of companies lying to the consumer they should be a price to pay. The ingredient should be plain and simple and if it has ingredients, it should be listed no matter How little it is

[@energysourcelove]

Natural flavors is always code speak for something you probably wont like. It’s a good reminder to ask where the natural flavor comes from.

[@peterbedford2610]

If you have open a package to something you're gong to consume, be very skeptical as to its value

[@ProudGeordie]

Nick, here's my five cents: We are now living in a "low-trust world" (especially the Western world), and there is a surge in people waking up to the lies of institutions and corporations - which is (thankfully) leading to a surge in "awakened people", who are looking for, and demanding transparency in return for their trust... It is (IMO) - a #1 trust factor for this group of people engaging with food, medical, institutions... Companies that truly focus on gaining Consumer trust.. as a core value proposition - knowing the target consumer is much more knowledgeable and less tolerant than typical consumer food buyers, especially in the emerging N=1/ metabolic health sector... will prosper...

[@etoward4610]

Trust!! No trust when ingredients are hidden! This highlights the problem every product has when calling specific products a general name; ie natural flavors.

[@pjbburk.4208]

To me this is a failure to disclose and let their clientele decide if they will buy the product. It does affect trust.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I tend to agree... will be very interested to see if they change their label.

[@pjbburk.4208]

@@nicknorwitzPhD Yes, it should have been on the label from the beginning..

[@iSlyOne]

the problem is integrity. be trustworthy or leave.

[@scottjones6624]

Just now was going to order some tea products with natural flavoring and the company would not answer my question of what was in it. Very disappointed.

[@focusonnature7387]

The problem is people avoid products with maltodextrin for health reasons. Some have medical conditions such as diabetes and avoid maltodextrin because it increases blood glucose levels. Their omission of maltodextrin in the ingredients list has led to people using their product to the detriment of their health. This IS a big deal. The videos that minimize the maltodextrin content are ridiculous. It is not "just" a trust issue, they have impacted people's health.

[@MareBlz]

I don’t want to unknowingly consume maltodextrin. I will not be repurchasing these. They’re pretty expensive and it’s not worth it, to me. I don’t like the “bad math” excuse. Sorry, my own opinion.

[@neurocosm]

They lied. End of story. I dumped all mine - going with a newly trusted brand of plain electrolytes.

[@christinebowman90]

i think it's very sad that you have to tell somone how to apologize..or even to apologize